Speaker 1: Welcome friends.
Speaker 2: Jack, of course, more powerful than any of the world
Speaker 2: has ever known, is about to be unleashed.
Speaker 1: By the two people who should know better. No, lock
Speaker 1: these guys again.
Speaker 3: Next summer, Universal Pictures presents Brendon Fraser, Rachel Wise, John Hannah,
Speaker 3: Arnold de vosslo Odead Fair, Patricia VLAs Caez introducing Freddy
Speaker 3: Both and the Rock as the Scorpion Key.
Speaker 2: The Mummy returns.
Speaker 1: Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is
Speaker 1: Zakie is Son. I'm here with Brian.
Speaker 4: Hall Heaylew's going Zachie.
Speaker 1: You know it's it's going well, and I'm just feeling
Speaker 1: this urge to jump back into the way back to
Speaker 1: watch a movie about an adventurer in the nineteen thirties. No,
Speaker 1: not that one. Oh no, we're going to revisit Rick
Speaker 1: O'Connell and company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I should have been like, oh, Skycaptain in the
Speaker 4: World of Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: No, not that one. Oh the Phantom, No, not that one. Man.
Speaker 1: We can keep going. Uh No, of course, you know
Speaker 1: a few years ago, you and I we talked through
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine's The Mummy. Yes, yes, and just like
Speaker 1: the creature in the title, we promised to return for
Speaker 1: the sequel. It's the twentieth anniversary of The Mummy Returns.
Speaker 1: The Mummy Returns, which is back in theaters, or at
Speaker 1: least it was over the last month.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right right, they're doing that a lot more
Speaker 4: these days land theater movies. I guess Top Gun is
Speaker 4: in theaters right now.
Speaker 1: Oh is it? It's not right now? I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, May twenty twenty six, Top Gun and Top Gun
Speaker 4: Maverick are back in theaters. I think for the anniversary
Speaker 4: of the first one.
Speaker 1: I may need to re experience both of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same, And I love that they do that. And
Speaker 4: I actually didn't know that The Mummy Returns was there.
Speaker 1: I would have watched it there. I would have preferred
Speaker 1: to watch it on the big screen. Absolutely, yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're here to celebrate the film's twenty fifth anniversary, which,
Speaker 1: you know, just the week that just passed as we
Speaker 1: record this. So hey, you know, sometimes sometimes you're in
Speaker 1: the mood for gas station candy.
Speaker 4: That's a very good way of putting it.
Speaker 1: Yes, The Mummy Returns, it's gas station candy. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: not an M and M, it's an L and L.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. So Hey, we're gonna watch the movie. If
Speaker 1: you all want to watch along with us, you certainly
Speaker 1: can do that, although I would recommend if you do
Speaker 1: want to watch the commentary with us as we are.
Speaker 1: If you want to watch the movie with us as
Speaker 1: we are commentarying, well, gosh, Brian, I mean, there's only
Speaker 1: one good way to have that experience, am I right? Oh?
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Speaker 4: in and you suddenly have to pause the commentary and
Speaker 4: try to keep everything in sync.
Speaker 1: It's the best way to have that experience. Plus there's
Speaker 1: also plenty of bonus episodes that you know, it's like
Speaker 1: being part of the cool kids club.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, man, we have That's the thing, Like our
Speaker 4: episodes were starting to go past two hours, like regularly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we try to keep it there just a manageable
Speaker 4: length for people to enjoy each week. And we just
Speaker 4: had so many more things we wanted to talk about,
Speaker 4: so we're like, well, let's record them anyway, and then
Speaker 4: we could drop them as bonus episodes, which we do
Speaker 4: about twice a month over there on the feed.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think of those bonus shows. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like it's like you get to sit at our
Speaker 1: table in the cafeteria in high school.
Speaker 4: That's a really good way of putting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're part of our crew. We got you,
Speaker 1: we let you in. We gesture towards you to join us.
Speaker 4: Yeaheahup, pull up a seat and bring over your tray
Speaker 4: with your rectangle cut pizzas and chocolate milk.
Speaker 1: That's right. And if you have French fries, don't put
Speaker 1: mayonnaise on them because that's freaking gross. You know.
Speaker 4: Don't knock until you tried it, really Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: thought the same thing. And I first heard that in
Speaker 4: pulp fiction, you know, and then when I went over
Speaker 4: to Europe, tried it and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 1: A color me intrigued.
Speaker 4: Think of it like an aoli interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, now this discussion you and I just had,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that this is what Rick O'Connell
Speaker 1: Evelyn O'Connell talk about. When that's the thing.
Speaker 4: We don't see them traveling so much when they're going
Speaker 4: from place to place. What are they talking about when
Speaker 4: they're on the dirigible or whatever, you.
Speaker 1: Know, when they're when they're not making google eyes at
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, yeah, but hey, let's just get right
Speaker 1: into the movie. Let's do it all right. So we
Speaker 1: are watching two thousand and ones The Mummy Returns. There's
Speaker 1: only one cut. It is the theatrical cut. Having watched
Speaker 1: the movie just recently, I feel like a special edition
Speaker 1: might have been warranted at some point in the last
Speaker 1: twenty five years. But hm, you know, like special like
Speaker 1: George Lucas style, oh.
Speaker 4: To to sort of plus the visual effects. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: just a thought or player or update, I should say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, workout, work out the kinks.
Speaker 4: This definitely is like a marker in time in terms
Speaker 4: of visual effects, like digital effects.
Speaker 1: It is extremely two thousand and one. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean the year, not the movie.
Speaker 4: Right, right, esoteric and penetrable.
Speaker 1: Maybe all right, so we'll do the usual thing. We'll
Speaker 1: hit play on three one two three, Play ready, Brian,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Here we go one two three, play all right, Universal,
Speaker 1: Well right up top as we see the Universal logo,
Speaker 1: Actually we hear, we hear the chords of Alan Silvestri's music.
Speaker 1: I really like Alan Silvestri's score for this one. M hm.
Speaker 1: And and he came in to score the sequel because
Speaker 1: Jerry Goldsmith wanted nothing to do with the sequel. Did
Speaker 1: you read this story? I did not.
Speaker 4: So apparently he was doing a concert in London in
Speaker 4: the two thousand and uh He's like, hey, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do there's the score from The Mummy. And Goldsmith
Speaker 4: said that he basically hated the movie and called it
Speaker 4: quote a piece of shit movie. And apparently Stephen Summers
Speaker 4: was in the audience. Wow, And so Goldsmith wasn't called back.
Speaker 1: That makes me feel bad for Stephen Summers me too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: It's it's I feel like it's a strange thing to
Speaker 4: be putting on a show and playing a song and
Speaker 4: then sort of you've got to assume people are there
Speaker 4: because they like the song, and if they like the song,
Speaker 4: they probably like the movie, So why would you knock
Speaker 4: the thing that the people they probably love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seems like kind of a funny thing. Now, I
Speaker 1: have to say I have not seen this movie a
Speaker 1: ton of times in the last twenty five years, but
Speaker 1: weirdly I haven't committed to memory that the Rocks. One
Speaker 1: line in this movie is ha cool.
Speaker 4: Macente, Oh funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I know that.
Speaker 4: I think I rewatched this last night, probably for the
Speaker 4: first time since I saw it back.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and one. Wow. Okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: I've seen the rock as the Scorpion King a lot,
Speaker 4: because that would come up a lot in top ten
Speaker 4: lists of like worst famously terrible visuals and terrible CGI effects. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know, to be fair to the artist, apparently
Speaker 4: they didn't have a lot of time to do it.
Speaker 4: It's very early in the era of doing this sort
Speaker 4: of thing, like full CGI characters, I mean we had,
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess technically the first fully CGI character
Speaker 4: was that stained glass window man for just fifteen years earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then really the first like main character in a
Speaker 4: film fully CGI I think is jar Jar Binks.
Speaker 1: I would say Charger. Yeah you might. You might say
Speaker 1: Kasper perhaps.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, that's true, that's true, But he does,
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's true in full.
Speaker 1: Casper is still a cartoon. A cartoon.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have like a lot of detailed features.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but still impressive. Yeah. I think with this film,
Speaker 1: the reach was greater than the grasp for sure, right
Speaker 1: in terms of the effect. So you can sort of
Speaker 1: admire the swing. But I think Stephen Summers, who you know,
Speaker 1: one presumes he did not think the first movie was
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, despite what cultsated, but you know
Speaker 1: the way, no, no, And I will say I I
Speaker 1: think I think the first film benefits from restraint, right yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that's certainly really underscored for me having watched this. Uh.
Speaker 1: But but once he his his Stephen Summers, I mean,
Speaker 1: his desire to Helm the sequel is contingent on making
Speaker 1: it bigger and just just more and more of everything.
Speaker 1: And so that I would say works against you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of the the the tone like there isn't
Speaker 1: a lot of there isn't a lot of dread in
Speaker 1: this movie, hm, you know. And and I think, just
Speaker 1: going back to what I was saying about about Silvestry's score.
Speaker 1: Silvestry leans into the spectacle of it. I think it's
Speaker 1: terrific Silvestry score.
Speaker 4: It is, it's but it's big, it's very big.
Speaker 1: And and so the movie like at this point, like
Speaker 1: I don't consider The First Mummy a horror film, right,
Speaker 1: but it has you know, it's at least gesturing towards horror. Sure,
Speaker 1: this one is very much not like these These these
Speaker 1: Annubis soldiers are pretty I mean, they got PlayStation three
Speaker 1: energy definitely well.
Speaker 4: And then that's kind of what the action feels like
Speaker 4: to sort of like a button mashing sort of action
Speaker 4: where it's not, like you said, not a lot of
Speaker 4: tension or dread or watch out with your characters. It's
Speaker 4: just a lot of swinging swords and people exploding into sand.
Speaker 1: And what's weird to me? I had this thought watching
Speaker 1: this as we see this horde of Annubist soldiers just
Speaker 1: overtaking the planet or you know whatever. I'm like, and
Speaker 1: maybe this is the wrong thought, but I'm like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be no, Like if something like that, I feel
Speaker 1: like that would be a thing that was recording, you know,
Speaker 1: like like you can buy what the first film is
Speaker 1: putting out there in terms of the mythology, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it could be legend or something exactly.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, well, it's like a world events. That's
Speaker 4: a great point. No, but I'm with you. I enjoy
Speaker 4: the first one. I'm not like I didn't like it,
Speaker 4: grow up with it, like I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are very passionate about it did.
Speaker 1: But I enjoy it.
Speaker 4: And then it has it captures a real throwbacky feel
Speaker 4: in a way that I enjoy, and I think it
Speaker 4: benefits from having kind of a tactile charm to it.
Speaker 4: Where's this one. I can appreciate the you know, wanting
Speaker 4: to go bigger of course with a sequel, but I
Speaker 4: think this one becomes more it feels kind of convoluted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the mythology doesn't doesn't hold up to scrutiny
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: By the way, I after I watched it and admdlely
Speaker 4: been a long day. It was kind of the end
Speaker 4: of the day, I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I'll just go to the
Speaker 4: Wikipedia page and I'll read the summary when it's over.
Speaker 4: And then I read the Wikipedia page. I was like,
Speaker 4: what the hell is going on? Like I still don't understand.
Speaker 1: Help, but I was like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And it's too bad.
Speaker 4: I wish they had kind of pulled back a little
Speaker 4: bit because I do think the beats are fun. It's
Speaker 4: just too much all the time, and then you just
Speaker 4: sort of lose a little bit of the charm and
Speaker 4: the fun and the right, well the human adventure element
Speaker 4: of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to that point, I would say a lot
Speaker 1: of the charm for me rests on these characters. You know,
Speaker 1: I actually contrary to my usual views on kids in
Speaker 1: films because usually they have dumb kids syndrome. Yes, I
Speaker 1: find Freddie both as Alex O'Connell quite charming. I find
Speaker 1: him fun in this movie. I think that he's precocious,
Speaker 1: but not annoyingly so I think he got some fun moments.
Speaker 1: And I think especially these scenes with Brendan Fraser, I
Speaker 1: like them together. I might have been in the wrong mood. Wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: let's put it this way.
Speaker 4: I think there's nothing wrong. I think his name is
Speaker 4: Freddie Both Boeth. He is totally fine. He's a good
Speaker 4: actor actually, and he's doing exactly what's asked of him.
Speaker 4: But I did find his precociousness a little really annoying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think here in this opening scene where he's hitting
Speaker 4: the guys with the sling shot, I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, like it's just him.
Speaker 1: I'll give you, I'll give you that.
Speaker 4: He's just being like a little little snot and that's
Speaker 4: not what I want out of my like young protagonist,
Speaker 4: I guess because it made me think of young Indie
Speaker 4: in Last Crusade, and he is being kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: not Braddy, but you know, a little ego and all
Speaker 4: that stuff. But he's trying to be altruistic, which I
Speaker 4: think to be fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's using his slingshot against the bad guys.
Speaker 1: Those are there. They're there to to you know, kill
Speaker 1: the O'Connell's. You know.
Speaker 4: Then I almost wish it's like they weren't just kind
Speaker 4: of minding their own business doing stuff, like if they
Speaker 4: had been approaching or something and he was keeping them
Speaker 4: at bay. That is interesting, Like it just seems like
Speaker 4: he's just kind of enjoying hitting these guys with rocks
Speaker 4: and I and by the way, I don't know, this
Speaker 4: is like I said, I've only seen this like twice,
Speaker 4: but it's just right. At the beginning, I was kind
Speaker 4: of like, I just wish. And that's the other thing too,
Speaker 4: is I think I immediately had that feeling where I'm like,
Speaker 4: why did they always feel like they got to put
Speaker 4: a kid in these movies?
Speaker 1: You know? Like I think I think making the O'Connell's parents,
Speaker 1: I actually like that aspect because I think it adds
Speaker 1: a different dimension to their relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe to what we were saying earlier, if
Speaker 4: this movie had felt a little bit less like a
Speaker 4: VFX sizzle reel and more like an actual grounded story
Speaker 4: about the characters and I really felt all the things
Speaker 4: that were happening, yeah, versus just being sort of distracted
Speaker 4: by everything happening around them, maybe I might have been
Speaker 4: more potent.
Speaker 1: For me interesting, you know.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, I mean I was thinking, I don't know
Speaker 4: why executives always feel like there needs to be some
Speaker 4: sort of avatar for the younger audience.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so so to your point, what I found
Speaker 1: amusing is that in the earlier scene, O'Connell's like, look,
Speaker 1: just go like, go somewhere else, just stay out of trouble.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, Dad, what do you want me to do.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know, it's go build a better
Speaker 1: mouse trap, right, which is just a thing you say,
Speaker 1: And he's like okay, and he does he does it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find that amusing.
Speaker 4: I am fully willing to admit I might have just
Speaker 4: been in the wrong frame of mind.
Speaker 1: Like these are obviously bad guys. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think you know, taking a taking a rock to the
Speaker 1: kisser is the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 4: You know, now you're You're probably right, But I do
Speaker 4: stand by my Rarely do I enjoy when it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: Superman has a kid, now, oh great?
Speaker 1: You know I'm with you. Oddly, I'm people who listen
Speaker 1: to the show. No, I'm I'm I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: of dumping kids in the movies. This kid, I he
Speaker 1: tickled me. I found him. I found him fun.
Speaker 4: Well, and then it made me think, because I like
Speaker 4: movies about kids on adventures. Of course, when it's from there,
Speaker 4: it's their adventure, the Goonies, Monster Squad, whatever. And then
Speaker 4: I was like, have I ever liked when they just
Speaker 4: awkwardly and inserted a kid into the story and like
Speaker 4: a sequel? And of course short round is like the
Speaker 4: the answer for me, I mean, and I was like, why, like,
Speaker 4: why does he work so? Well, Well, it's because.
Speaker 1: You were a little kid when you watched that movie.
Speaker 4: Actually I was much older. I didn't see that movie
Speaker 4: un till I was older.
Speaker 1: But how much older? Late teens? Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't see Temple at Doom. That was like
Speaker 4: the scary one I interest, you know, and so I
Speaker 4: think I only saw Raiders in Last Crusade, and somehow
Speaker 4: I just kind of missed that one.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: My parents didn't show it to me. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 4: see it till I was older. But to this day,
Speaker 4: I still find him very charming because I think he
Speaker 4: he doesn't get in the way. He's not that overly precocious.
Speaker 4: He knows it all kind of thing. He's calibrated perfectly.
Speaker 4: And of course Kihi Kwan is just magic.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, you know what I'm gonna say it,
Speaker 1: I get Indie and short round energy from Rick and
Speaker 1: Alex O'Connell.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, I wish I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now I do want to acknowledge that Evelyn.
Speaker 1: Evelyn's eyebrows are back, and we're grateful for that.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that. They're like that pencil thins. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: in the first one, she's got beautiful eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Why on earth would they? You know? That is funny.
Speaker 4: Actually when she first appeared, I was like, wow, she
Speaker 4: is beautiful yep, Rachel Weiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and the way this movie came together is
Speaker 1: itself fascinating. The move the first movie opened for the
Speaker 1: first Friday of May nineteen ninety nine, and Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: even Summers gets a call from a universal being like,
Speaker 1: get get a sequel together. And I mean, two years
Speaker 1: to the day we get the sequel, which is an
Speaker 1: insanely fast turnaround.
Speaker 4: Amazing to write it, to make it, to have all
Speaker 4: the visual effects done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty Yeah, I mean that's that's impressive all
Speaker 1: by itself. And so it it is fascinating. Like I
Speaker 1: remember the ads the trailers for this one. It was
Speaker 1: like listing the entire cast, and I'm like, how many
Speaker 1: people even know these cast members by name other than
Speaker 1: other than Brendan Fraser, you know, It's like Brendan Fraser,
Speaker 1: Rachel Weiss, John Hannah oded Fair, like the whole Patricia Velaska.
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, I'm glad, I'm glad they're being acknowledge,
Speaker 1: But this is a lot. You know.
Speaker 4: I wonder what the impulse is to make it feel
Speaker 4: like it's stacked, like an event or something I suppose,
Speaker 4: or to.
Speaker 1: Be like, hey, everybody's back. But I'm like, it was
Speaker 1: so soon after, right, I'm like, maybe if those bigger
Speaker 1: gap right to be like, oh look we got the
Speaker 1: whole gang back together, you know, right right right? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I did find that amusing. But I like that they
Speaker 1: gave Evelyn Like here's the thing. The first movie ends
Speaker 1: and it's it's O'Connell and and Evy are kissing, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the end of the action hero
Speaker 1: a movie. But they could have very easily just had
Speaker 1: another O'Connell adventure, right, and instead it's like, no, Rick
Speaker 1: has a family and like to me, to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: I like that instinct of like, let's do something different,
Speaker 1: then let's situate a different status quote than Indiana Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by making him a family man. And I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that Rick has the big house and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, we there have been the passage of time.
Speaker 1: What is ten set ten years later?
Speaker 4: I think, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was funny too
Speaker 4: when they had the huge house is like, good lord,
Speaker 4: what does he do for a living? Like, well, he's
Speaker 4: like a Wayne the Big Mansion.
Speaker 1: Because the beauty of it is the first movie ends
Speaker 1: and they've got uh uh, that's sort of camel loaded
Speaker 1: up with all the treasure. That's true.
Speaker 4: That's true because I read somewhere that Brendan Fraser thought
Speaker 4: they should live in an apartment okay, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what I thought. I was shocked that they lived
Speaker 4: in this like big manner and Summers was like, no,
Speaker 4: but I want this big action sequence in your house,
Speaker 4: so we need a place with a lot of rooms.
Speaker 4: But that that You're right, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: That's a good moment. By the way, catching the rock
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 4: No, I you know what, I am going to completely
Speaker 4: say that I think you've helped me here a little
Speaker 4: bit with the opening. I was I got it. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be honest. I hate to admit it, but I
Speaker 4: did start this kind of late after a long day,
Speaker 4: and I was kind of observing the movie more than
Speaker 4: like really, I think letting it seep in. And I
Speaker 4: understand better now that yes, like those are antagonists.
Speaker 1: And they're there to kill the O'Connell's yeah, yeah, although
Speaker 1: I still don't love the character. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. That's really funny, but this is
Speaker 1: a big opening, you know what I mean? Yeah, right
Speaker 1: right away, they're they're establishing well, it's just more right
Speaker 1: like like this right here. If you remember in the
Speaker 1: first film, you have Evelyn, she's putting books on a shelves.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this, And then and then all the
Speaker 1: shelves fall on top of like like a domino. So
Speaker 1: let's just do that, but with these stone pillars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so it's this is kind of a yes and
Speaker 1: movie where like, let's just that thing in the first.
Speaker 4: Time, let's just do that but more Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I think that I understand the instinct and certainly,
Speaker 1: look in terms of of monetarily speaking, this movie was
Speaker 1: a resounding success. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, so you
Speaker 1: can't fault that instinct. I I'm somebody who I prefer
Speaker 1: kind of a slow burn mm hmm. But that's just me.
Speaker 1: That's how I roll. Well, I by the way, I
Speaker 1: do want to.
Speaker 4: Praise I mean, look, we're looking at actual pillars falling,
Speaker 4: like these aren't visual effects, which now they probably would
Speaker 4: be right, because it's probably hard to reset this set frankly,
Speaker 4: and I can appreciate.
Speaker 1: That that's a one shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it was the movie Uncharted. A
Speaker 4: couple of years ago we were talking about where I
Speaker 4: was like, this movie doesn't feel dusty enough. If it's
Speaker 4: about an adventurer out in the jungle, it's just.
Speaker 1: A bunch of people in front of the green screens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or volumes.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they had a couple sets, but they just
Speaker 4: you know, there's an overreliance on just filling everything in
Speaker 4: later in post. And I really do appreciate that this
Speaker 4: does feel like a dusty adventure, Like it does feel
Speaker 4: like they're in these places and that is really great
Speaker 4: and goes a long way, I think, so. I mean
Speaker 4: they add a lot of stuff on top of it
Speaker 4: that we can talk about later. Maybe too much, but
Speaker 4: I do love that it. I mean, this them and
Speaker 4: the water slashing around and the you know.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kindy. That's funny, harl.
Speaker 1: He's winning over. We'll see, let's see what happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean there there is a moment later in the
Speaker 1: film where it's like a Bart Simpson thing, right, like
Speaker 1: the are we there yet? Yes? And I was. I
Speaker 1: was sitting there. I was sort of chuckling as it
Speaker 1: was happening, but I was literally I was like, I
Speaker 1: was wondering. I was like, I wonder, does this make
Speaker 1: Brian small smile and make him annoying? I was actually
Speaker 1: thinking that, you know me so well.
Speaker 4: It's so funny because I don't know, I am so
Speaker 4: I am wired to enjoy something like that. But something
Speaker 4: about my experience last night was just not I was
Speaker 4: not resonating with that character.
Speaker 1: You weren't in a proper headspace.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, but but I like
Speaker 4: the you know, I can the me being such a
Speaker 4: big hit in Universal being like we're making another one tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I can totally understand that. I mean, obviously because it
Speaker 4: was a hit, but also I think everybody would love
Speaker 4: to come up with a new Indiana Jones. And that's
Speaker 4: not an easy thing to do because Indiana Jones is
Speaker 4: still around, right, and it's Spielberg, and it's hard to
Speaker 4: top a movie that's, you know, over forty years old still.
Speaker 4: But I really appreciate that this comes pretty darn close. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean like it is its own thing.
Speaker 4: But it captures the spirit of those films in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: You can't help but think about all those people digging
Speaker 4: in the desert and raiders lost dark. In this moment, right,
Speaker 4: we have just all these people, real people, you know,
Speaker 4: a real place. It doesn't look you know, there's real depth.
Speaker 4: I can tell they shot in an actual location, which
Speaker 4: goes a long way for me. And and the camera
Speaker 4: work too. There's a lot of sort of pivoting the
Speaker 4: camera around and reframing things. That's a lot of fun
Speaker 4: that really excites me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, and and oh and of course we
Speaker 1: got to have the scarabs. You gotta have more scaribs.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, you know, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: scarribs to me are like are like movie quicksand mm hmm,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, well, if I ever encounter a scab,
Speaker 1: it's either gonna you know, him and his cousins are
Speaker 1: gonna just eat me alive, or they're gonna crawl into
Speaker 1: my skin. I think all because of this movie and
Speaker 1: and and the the earlier one that.
Speaker 4: Ship this, this is pretty horrifying.
Speaker 1: Crawling under your skin and doing all that stuff. Like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 4: I like the lighting in that that shot. I like
Speaker 4: the him spitting them out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: It's good. Stephen Summer is interesting, dude, right. I think
Speaker 1: I think what works against him to your point about
Speaker 1: you know, the the inevitable indie comparisons, is that Steven
Speaker 1: Summers is no Steven Spielberg. And that's through no fault
Speaker 1: of Stephen Summers.
Speaker 4: No, and I wouldn't even I think he does a
Speaker 4: good job with.
Speaker 1: These movies, you know so, But but I think that
Speaker 1: the through line from The Mummy to G I Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you got you got the Mummy Mummy returns Van
Speaker 1: Housing g I Joe is that he tends to be
Speaker 1: just beholden to the digital end of things to the
Speaker 1: point where where you know, there there's an an artificiality
Speaker 1: that takes over, you know, that drives me nuts, you know.
Speaker 1: I I think that again, it's what we say before,
Speaker 1: you know, just your your limitations work in your favor,
Speaker 1: and again I mean it it. Look it's the same
Speaker 1: critique that so many people had about about the Star
Speaker 1: Wars Special editions just a couple of years before this,
Speaker 1: right where it's like suddenly, you know, George Lucas wasn't
Speaker 1: limited to whatever crayons were in the box. He owned
Speaker 1: the crayon factory. Yeah, and so he started making changes
Speaker 1: that to many people diminish that experience. Right, and again,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you know when
Speaker 1: you when when you're forced to be like, well, we
Speaker 1: can't do this. What's a way to convey this? I
Speaker 1: think that can work in your favor. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: with this movie, kind of to the point you're making
Speaker 1: the way Summer stages his action sequence, I think. I
Speaker 1: think the scene coming up in the mansion is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun stuff happening there.
Speaker 4: I agree, it's a good playground and they make good
Speaker 4: use of it.
Speaker 1: There's my man, Our Death Bay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great man.
Speaker 1: He's got a ton to do in this one. It
Speaker 1: made me very happy. Yep. As I mentioned in our
Speaker 1: track for the first film, Our Death Bay played by
Speaker 1: Odd Fair was kind of a formative film character for
Speaker 1: me because I grew my hair out long just because
Speaker 1: of this character.
Speaker 4: And you know what works too is that you can
Speaker 4: rock that. You know, It's not like it looked great
Speaker 4: on everybody.
Speaker 1: You rocked it. I appreciate that it took several years
Speaker 1: to grow it out that long, and then you know,
Speaker 1: it peaked a few years ago, but it was it
Speaker 1: was truly it was the ar death Bay a memorial haircut.
Speaker 4: What was I watching the other day, I don't even remember,
Speaker 4: but it was something modern and I was like, man,
Speaker 4: everything just looks so flat. It's so frustrating. And then
Speaker 4: you know, looking at this, I'm like, just this.
Speaker 1: Room, there's depth. There's depth. They're in a room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it's you know, I don't I know,
Speaker 4: this is old man shaking fist at cloud or whatever.
Speaker 4: But like, you know, people are going to get used
Speaker 4: to it, and that's what movies. But to me, this
Speaker 4: is what movies look like, right, and and I just
Speaker 4: see shortcuts and things now. But for new generations, that's
Speaker 4: what movies are going to look like. And that's just
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure, you know, I'm going to be
Speaker 4: like those people generations before who are like, no movie's
Speaker 4: black and white?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Well, just true in the
Speaker 1: sense that, like just a couple of years before this
Speaker 1: came out, you know, Michael Bay really burst into the
Speaker 1: zeitgeist and sort of that that really sun drenched colors
Speaker 1: popping view which we saw through you know, Bad Boys
Speaker 1: and Rock and arm again Pearl Harbor. This the same summer,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Ye, Transformers, I think is one of the biggest offenders
Speaker 4: where everybody's like orange and.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like yeah, and that's very much his style, right,
Speaker 1: and yet how many how many people were inspired by that?
Speaker 4: I mean it was I think of that as like
Speaker 4: an aughts kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very much so. Yeah, yeah, see this stuff.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 4: That's that's Panache, you know what I mean. Like this
Speaker 4: sort of establishing shot sort of thing and a car
Speaker 4: pulling up, but it pulls right up and like ah,
Speaker 4: like a shade that's been pulled down over a window
Speaker 4: fills the frame.
Speaker 1: Then the shade goes up and reveals the villain. That's
Speaker 1: the good stuff. People don't do that stuff anymore intentionality.
Speaker 1: I miss it. What a concept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I do like even though I can't
Speaker 4: say I'm passionate about this movie, but it does. You know,
Speaker 4: it delights parts of me that that I love having
Speaker 4: delighted by movies, you know, just like Panache in shots,
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, I like it. But that's you know,
Speaker 4: I never saw Van helsing by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is by the way worth mentioning the
Speaker 1: O'Connell mansion. That's Wayne Manner, and Bamman begins.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll be damned, I didn't even know that. And
Speaker 4: when I'm saying that, seriously, the first thing I thought
Speaker 4: was like, what are they the Waynes And like, I
Speaker 4: didn't even realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, by the way, this you're talking about?
Speaker 4: Sorry, oh no, no, no, uh well yeah, yeah, so Van
Speaker 4: Helsi Yeah, I guess. So I'm thinking, like Stephen Summers,
Speaker 4: I I wouldn't have minded if someone maybe had pulled
Speaker 4: him back a little bit story wise, or just sort
Speaker 4: of with the set pieces. Keep the set pieces, but
Speaker 4: just they don't need to be so much like they're
Speaker 4: dying a little too much to the point where like,
Speaker 4: you know, the music is so loud, not literally, but
Speaker 4: just you know, where everything's peaking.
Speaker 1: It's like it's too much for us to.
Speaker 4: Grasp what we're supposed to be rooting for or you know, enjoying.
Speaker 4: But I like, I like his style, you know, for
Speaker 4: the most part generally here, so I it kind of
Speaker 4: bums me out that he's not still doing stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, he just he just noped out of his career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, because I think he's got something, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, my thought is maybe he just he got tired
Speaker 1: of getting ship on maybe, right, Like I mean, look,
Speaker 1: that Jerry Goldsmith story.
Speaker 4: Just makes me s hand honestly, Yeah, you know, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I just feel genuinely bad for him being in the
Speaker 1: audience so excited to hear the music from his movie
Speaker 1: and you know, like, I don't know, Yeah, here's the music.
Speaker 1: Here's the awesome music I wrote for this piece of
Speaker 1: shit freaking movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And by the.
Speaker 4: Way, I just wanted to comment something I like in
Speaker 4: movies is when like a couple, they don't feel this
Speaker 4: need for them to be skeptical of one another, Like
Speaker 4: they're in love and they trust each other, they're a team.
Speaker 4: And I like this moment where you see those stockings
Speaker 4: hanging from that bookcase and she's like, those aren't mine,
Speaker 4: but she never for a second thinks that, you know,
Speaker 4: Brendan Fraser is doing anything that's a great get show.
Speaker 4: It's just even think about that, right, It's like, wait,
Speaker 4: something something's wrong. Yeah, And it has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with him, and they're both like, yeah it is, we
Speaker 4: got to figure this out. Like, I love when romantic
Speaker 4: couples are like teams like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I I genuinely I love the Rick and Evy
Speaker 1: relationship in this one. I mean they're just a couple
Speaker 1: in love. Mm hmm, right, Like you could have done
Speaker 1: the thing which we see in so many of these
Speaker 1: movies where in the in the years since they have
Speaker 1: broken up and this is them getting back together, kind
Speaker 1: of the the Peter Venkman Dana Rory right like, or
Speaker 1: or you know Indie in in Crystal Scholar whatever they
Speaker 1: didn't do that, yep, or Han and Leah, Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I like that. I like that idea
Speaker 1: that it's like, no, they're just they're they're happily married
Speaker 1: and in love. What a concept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And but I mean they can disagree, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: and they cannot like the way that the other does
Speaker 4: things from time to time. But I just love that
Speaker 4: there's an implicit trust. It's not like, oh, you you're
Speaker 4: a dog, like immediately jumping to conclusions about it.
Speaker 1: That's the part. Yeah, John Hannah is fun in these
Speaker 1: He's he's a very serious English actor, so this this
Speaker 1: character lets him kind of be a little sillier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish he worked a little bit more for me,
Speaker 4: this character. But he's doing it perfectly.
Speaker 1: He plays that that type very.
Speaker 4: Well, exactly. He's doing a great job. I just wish
Speaker 4: I found him funnier in I'm so sorry for people
Speaker 4: who love these movies. I wish I was, but I
Speaker 4: gotta speak my truth.
Speaker 1: What do you think of mister echo here a you're gonna.
Speaker 4: I was very happy to see him, Yeah you go.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, the camera pushing in on him
Speaker 4: and the lightning on his face.
Speaker 1: He's got a great presence. It's fantastic see that right there. Man,
Speaker 1: If he's a badass, I know, got our swords. He's
Speaker 1: a get out of my house.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because sometimes you have a sequel where
Speaker 4: a character is kind of thrown into action in the
Speaker 4: first movie and then in the second movie. Probably many times,
Speaker 4: you know on a story level you want them to
Speaker 4: be involved and step up a little bit, but sometimes
Speaker 4: the actor themselves wants like, hey, I need something to do,
Speaker 4: and so then you give them a scene that just
Speaker 4: doesn't fit into the movie just so they can like
Speaker 4: do a stunt or something like you can feel it
Speaker 4: awkwardly like Jerry Rigg to fulfill some sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I thought they did a great job of making
Speaker 4: her slip right into being like an action hero in
Speaker 4: this alongside Rick.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. The only thing I kind of
Speaker 1: roll my eyes at is that, oh, she's actually the
Speaker 1: Pharaoh's daughter reincarnated. And oh that right there when the
Speaker 1: guy throws the knife at Rick and he catches it.
Speaker 1: That's very cool. It is cool. But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: that knife was not gonna hit him.
Speaker 4: He didn't even have to like risk his hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nowhere near him. It's like a well.
Speaker 4: I like the way that it's captured. I think it's
Speaker 4: like captured well, and it looks cool. But oh dude,
Speaker 4: that's where I was going on Wikipedia. I was like, wait, what, like,
Speaker 4: she's the daughter the is this literally a reincarnation?
Speaker 1: Is this and Rick is a reincarnated man? Guy? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, was this like post the Matrix. It's like everyone
Speaker 4: had to be the one. Jet Lee made a movie
Speaker 4: called The One.
Speaker 1: The One, you know.
Speaker 4: I was like, uh, whatever, it's a lot, But then
Speaker 4: I thought about it. I was like, so he didn't
Speaker 4: have that tattoo in the first one. I guess he
Speaker 4: had those like wrist cuff things on. I mean, was
Speaker 4: that like just a great coincidence where they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: we can put a tattoo where he had those cuffs
Speaker 4: on the whole movie.
Speaker 1: I don't even even if he didn't have those wrist cuffs,
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't just you know, I mean, like, how
Speaker 1: much time does our death Bay spend looking at O'Connell's wrist.
Speaker 4: It's like shawshank, How how often do you really look
Speaker 4: at a man's shoes?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 4: How often do you look at the unders out of
Speaker 4: a man's wrist?
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Speak Oh my gosh, Zaki, I have a tattoo here
Speaker 4: it's a map.
Speaker 1: But well, if I were to tell you that I'm
Speaker 1: a stranger traveling at night or whatever.
Speaker 4: And just because you know, I can't shy away from
Speaker 4: this now it's a commentary. I can't change what I said,
Speaker 4: just because I was like looking at the kid just
Speaker 4: sort of like a kid, like when he took the
Speaker 4: wrist thing, he just finds this cool thing and it's
Speaker 4: like I'm taking it and like puts it on and
Speaker 4: replaces it with the thing. I was just like, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know why that was
Speaker 4: the point of view I had. But it's great story wise,
Speaker 4: I think it is.
Speaker 1: And I again, this is weird because it's like our
Speaker 1: roles are reversed. I know, it's so funny. Normally I'm
Speaker 1: the guy who's like, goddamn kid, wrong, kid died. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I yeah, again, I find Alex quite fun in this one.
Speaker 1: But no, I think the mechanism of this this ridiculous,
Speaker 1: uh you know whatever, the bracelet of Anubis, like okay,
Speaker 1: like it's really kakamami, I mean, just all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I well, now I know not to ask because I
Speaker 4: was gonna be like, wait, why.
Speaker 1: Do these people, who are these people?
Speaker 4: What do they want? Why are they trying to bring
Speaker 4: this about? Who are they trying to stop? You know,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: So the kids. So yeah, that's really all you need
Speaker 1: to know. But it's so these folks are working for
Speaker 1: Patricia Velaska's character, who's the reincarnation that she's the reincarnation
Speaker 1: of an Ox Suna Moon. So she wants them to
Speaker 1: bring back m Ho Tep so that he will then
Speaker 1: unite her with an ox Suna Moon's soul, and since
Speaker 1: it's the year of the Scorpion, they can use the
Speaker 1: Scepter of Osiris to control the Scorpion King and his army.
Speaker 1: So there, I was.
Speaker 4: Just picturing Steven Summers in the room, watching like a
Speaker 4: slow push camera push in on him as you're speaking,
Speaker 4: and like his eyes like a tear is slowly forming,
Speaker 4: and then we just cut like a little wide and
Speaker 4: he just no words, just gives.
Speaker 1: You this huge hug. He gets it. See. I picture
Speaker 1: him nodding like Miagi at the end of the first movie.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, that's what's going on in this
Speaker 1: piece of shit movie.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, God damn it, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: See, like this piece right here where our deathbay is like,
Speaker 1: well you're gonna you've said it, and of course the
Speaker 1: chain reaction is gonna, you know, and then O'Connor's like,
Speaker 1: you settled down, you be in trouble you that's funny
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a meal thirties sort of tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in addition to that, you know, this goes
Speaker 1: to a comment you made in when we were talking
Speaker 1: through the first film, which is you felt like the
Speaker 1: O'Connell character wasn't really working for you because it felt
Speaker 1: like Brendan Fraser was playing kind of a tough guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like this one leans more into his.
Speaker 4: Charm, I think, I yes, yes, right, plays more to
Speaker 4: his personality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's a little bit like you
Speaker 1: know something we said about about Jurassic World, which is
Speaker 1: that the Chris Pratt character, it doesn't let him be
Speaker 1: Chris Pratty enough, and the sequels kind of let a
Speaker 1: little bit more of that shine through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember in the first one
Speaker 4: it felt like I was watching an actor puff his chest, yes,
Speaker 4: acting like an action hero, even though the thing though,
Speaker 4: I think Brendan Fraser is kind of like Keanu Reeves
Speaker 4: in a way where people just like love the guy like,
Speaker 4: and I agree with that, like, and I think he
Speaker 4: does feel like Brendan Fraser in most of his roles.
Speaker 4: But I love Brendan Fraser, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: And so I agree with you. I think in this
Speaker 4: one he gets to be a little bit more himself
Speaker 4: and it comes across a little bit more natural for me.
Speaker 1: No, I I think I think partly it's just the
Speaker 1: comfort level from from uh, coming back to a role
Speaker 1: that people liked him in. You know, yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: he feels happier he got he got twelve, twelve and
Speaker 1: a half a million dollars for this movie. Ooh, you
Speaker 1: know he got four million for the first one. So
Speaker 1: it's a nice little pay grade.
Speaker 4: Hey great, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Just kind of comfort level. I mean he talked about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, coming back for another semester of school.
Speaker 1: You know, here the whole gang is back. By the way,
Speaker 1: if as we record this, the fourth movie is still
Speaker 1: in you know, in in in process. You know, it's
Speaker 1: coming out next year. If they don't bring back Ohdad,
Speaker 1: fair as our at Bay, they're gonna have a very
Speaker 1: angry email from me arriving. I'm gonna be quite perturbed.
Speaker 1: They must, right, yeah, they better. Well it's funny because
Speaker 1: there's a third one that I've actually never seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you will plan for that next year?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the ride at Universal Studios in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: that's what all the sort of decorations and artwork are.
Speaker 1: It's from the third one.
Speaker 4: Well, it used to be, at least maybe it's been revised.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems like a miscalculation.
Speaker 4: That's like always the thing, right. It's like when by
Speaker 4: the time a theme park can actually put out a ride,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, the steam for that movie is
Speaker 4: usually kind.
Speaker 1: Of a little Rise of the Republic energy or what
Speaker 1: is it, Rise of the Resistance energy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly the Resistance. Yeah, although there was a
Speaker 4: year where my friend Chad and I we got Universal
Speaker 4: Studios used to have a great deal on year passes,
Speaker 4: okay or season passes, and it was like if you
Speaker 4: bought a ticket for one day, you got a season
Speaker 4: pass or something crazy like that. Oh wow, So we're like,
Speaker 4: let's do it. And then we had this thing for
Speaker 4: a year. It would be Saturday morning and he'd be like, yo, man,
Speaker 4: you want to go ride the Mummy. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: so we just go to Universal ride the Mummy maybe twice,
Speaker 4: you know, do the Simpsons ride then call it. You know,
Speaker 4: all right, what now lunch? So I've been on that
Speaker 4: ride a lot.
Speaker 1: So wait, So the Mummy ride was built around tomb
Speaker 1: of the Dragon Emperor.
Speaker 4: I do remember when you exit the ride that was
Speaker 4: the artwork on the walls.
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the ride itself is a bit you know,
Speaker 4: it's more like a roller coaster. It's less like the
Speaker 4: Indiana Jones ride at Disney, where it's a real vast
Speaker 4: sort of set you're riding through, and it's more like
Speaker 4: stuff kind of coming at you. It's it's fun. It's
Speaker 4: like a roller coaster in the dark.
Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, so this movie you said you
Speaker 1: saw you saw this in the theater when it came out.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. If I'm introsed.
Speaker 4: There was one movie and I said this in the
Speaker 4: last commentary, when you were at that television station and
Speaker 4: you guys are like duping a bunch of movies.
Speaker 1: Someone gave me one of the Mummy movies. Oh it
Speaker 1: was it was the first one, because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is two thousand and one. By then, I definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't working there.
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, I couldn't remember which one it was,
Speaker 4: but okay, that's how I watched the first one. And
Speaker 4: I don't remember when I saw this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and one, you were at Trinity, right,
Speaker 1: were yet Biola by then?
Speaker 4: I guess I was, Yeah, wow, isn't that strange? Like
Speaker 4: ten years ago, I would have with complete clarity, been
Speaker 4: able to tell you.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm like, I don't remember. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to a bunch of different colleges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we gave you. I remember I said, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: don't do these illegal.
Speaker 4: Tap tap tap this thing on. Yeah yeah, I said no.
Speaker 1: They shoved me in the in the storage closet, and
Speaker 1: I'm assuming all of the trading went on as I
Speaker 1: was desperately trying to get out perfect. I think that
Speaker 1: that should cover it. But yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: film and then yeah, this one. I did not see
Speaker 1: this opening weekend. I remember very to single. I saw
Speaker 1: it the Monday after it opened. Okay. I went with Javier,
Speaker 1: my friend from from I used to work at a
Speaker 1: wedding videography studio, and I remember that. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go watch the moment you return today.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll come with you. And so, you know
Speaker 1: what I remember actually is opening weekend stuff that comes back.
Speaker 1: I remember I was trying to go see it the
Speaker 1: Saturday that it opened and it was sold out. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get in anywhere. Oh wow, So I mean
Speaker 1: this movie was a pretty big deal, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was let's see it grows sixty
Speaker 4: eight million domestically in its opening weekend, opening weekend, and
Speaker 4: that was the second biggest opening in history behind Lost
Speaker 4: World Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, yeah yeah, And then and then that record
Speaker 1: was broken later this summer by Planet of the Apes.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, right, this summer was crazy. You had just
Speaker 1: for Universal, you had you had this, you had the
Speaker 1: Past and the Furious. Oh wow? Right? And what else
Speaker 1: was American Pie was this summer two? Yeah? American Pie two,
Speaker 1: that's right, the sequel Universal did okay this summer? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, I was looking because I always get curious to
Speaker 4: for me mentally to put it in time.
Speaker 1: Rush Hour two was this summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the top ten box office I'll just run
Speaker 4: through it really fast.
Speaker 1: Out of the year.
Speaker 4: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone number one or Philosopher's Stone,
Speaker 4: depending on what were the rings, Shrek, Monster z Inc,
Speaker 4: Rush Hour two, Mummy Returns, Pearl Harbor, remember that, Jurassic
Speaker 4: Park three, Planet of the Apes, Hannibal and the Fellowship
Speaker 4: of the Ring was number ten.
Speaker 1: Fellowship was number ten. Yep, that's kind of amazing. Actually
Speaker 1: that is that Hannibal Hannibal. Yeah, well, I hated that movie.
Speaker 1: I don't hate movies. I hated that. Yeah, Ocean's eleven
Speaker 1: was this year. Yeah, oh that's a big year.
Speaker 4: Castaway, it's a lot of great movies.
Speaker 1: Castaway was two thousands, and wasn't it Castaway was the
Speaker 1: end of two thousand. Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: So I don't know why this is off box office
Speaker 4: Mojo domestic box office for two thousands.
Speaker 1: Must because it continued to make.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe that has to do also with Lord of
Speaker 4: the Rings.
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. I was about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense because Lord of the Rings was like December,
Speaker 1: I think, right, yep, Yeah, because Harry Potter was November. Yep.
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember watching Harry Potter opening night
Speaker 1: and falling asleep, and then that's just been my experience
Speaker 1: with the SORCER's Stone as I keep falling asleep in
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 4: You've never made it through. I remember, yea, I remember
Speaker 4: you talking about that. Well you get you get a
Speaker 4: new chance with the HBO series.
Speaker 1: I'll get right on it. So let's talk about this
Speaker 1: action sequence. I think, going to what you were saying before,
Speaker 1: there is a tactility to it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's going to be warehouse real flames. By
Speaker 4: the way, I do want to say I can appreciate
Speaker 4: why they do fake flames these days. Yeah, truly, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's safety should be paramount.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I do and twentieth Century Fox honestly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe Warner Brothers looks like but yeah, there's just something.
Speaker 4: But but what I do love is it's not like
Speaker 4: they like extended the room digitally, you know, So there's
Speaker 4: just it doesn't have like a real sort of depth
Speaker 4: like you were saying earlier. I love this seeing all
Speaker 4: the machine gun fire and flames and things getting knocked over.
Speaker 1: It looks great. This is kind of funny.
Speaker 4: Although I felt like they should jump out right after
Speaker 4: this moment.
Speaker 1: Right, that that would sell the gag better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's, uh, they've just run out of the building,
Speaker 4: and she's putting a bench in front of the door,
Speaker 4: thinking it'll stop all the supernatural bad guys. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: these kind of people don't use doors. But then they
Speaker 4: wait like forty five seconds until.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's a whole other sequence here. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm a little surprised they didn't do it differently.
Speaker 1: See, so the first movie ends with like Mummy, you know,
Speaker 1: Mummy soldiers, and so it's like, okay, well we got to,
Speaker 1: you know, check the list. We gotta we gotta make
Speaker 1: sure we have them in there. And then we got
Speaker 1: to make sure we get O'Connell with a nice trailer
Speaker 1: line right there. I hate mummies. Yeah, it's ever been
Speaker 1: in a double deck or bus? I'm sure you have?
Speaker 4: Right, No, I haven't, really, I don't. Well, now I
Speaker 4: think about it. I've never been to London, but okay,
Speaker 4: maybe like some sort of tour bus sort of thing
Speaker 4: where you're sitting on the top, you know, sort of like.
Speaker 1: In Hollywood double deckers in Paris. I haven't written one,
Speaker 1: I feel like because I've been in one. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it was in London, so
Speaker 1: it must have been Paris. Anyway, this I get. I
Speaker 1: get heavy T two vibes in this sequence here where
Speaker 1: they're there where Rick is like shooting up here right here?
Speaker 4: I thought, same thing, right yep.
Speaker 1: In the elevator yep, yep is your head the little
Speaker 1: boy be like, what the F is it?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? This is off school. I like it.
Speaker 4: I like action sequence on a moving vehicle is a
Speaker 4: lot of fun, a lot of opportunity. There's like a
Speaker 4: great little, uh sort of Spielbergie I feel set up
Speaker 4: thing with him losing the shotgun, right, you know, and
Speaker 4: then it uh we follow it on the outside of
Speaker 4: the bus and we see Vice look at it, which
Speaker 4: is an amazing setup for her having it like twenty
Speaker 4: seconds later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I like this stuff speaking of summers,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, Brandon Fraser, you can see
Speaker 1: for a lot of these these close ups. I mean
Speaker 1: that's him getting tossed around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell. And a lot later too, a
Speaker 4: lot of his flipping around and getting yeah blasted through
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 1: You can see his face. It's clearly him, and you
Speaker 1: know he talked about years later how you know it
Speaker 1: looked great for the film, but I mean it left
Speaker 1: him just a broken down husk of a man, you know,
Speaker 1: I bet held together by by spirit gum and baling wire.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's kind of you know, for a
Speaker 1: lot of these young actors. I mean, Fraser was what
Speaker 1: probably in his early thirties here when needed this, you know,
Speaker 1: you think the check won't come do Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: catches up to you. It catches up to everybody. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is that it doesn't well.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing too, is when you do it
Speaker 4: five times, you know, and like just landing on your
Speaker 4: knees hard and yeah, whipped around and you know, like
Speaker 4: we might take a tumble, you know, fall down a
Speaker 4: little hill or something, and that's that.
Speaker 1: But like, well, last night I was, I was coming
Speaker 1: down the stairs because there was a light on in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. I wanted to turn it off. And as
Speaker 1: I was, it was dark enough that I missed a
Speaker 1: step at the bottom of the steps. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: I just kind of my my feet came out from
Speaker 1: under me, and I sat down and and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I lie down and die right here,
Speaker 1: I think that'd probably be the perfect end to this story,
Speaker 1: because that's what I felt like. I'm sorry I was.
Speaker 1: I was like sitting there, I'm like, oh God, I
Speaker 1: gotta go back up those stairs.
Speaker 4: Those are those like life pains, all right.
Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for Brandon Fraser getting getting
Speaker 1: tossed hither and thither, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it had been nice if you got in
Speaker 4: twelve million for it.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good point.
Speaker 4: That which still has no no reason to hurt your body.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just by the way.
Speaker 4: Speaking of T two vibes, we get the top half
Speaker 4: of the bus. Yeah, keeled off there with.
Speaker 1: A low overhang. That's cute. I'll give it to him.
Speaker 1: Great driving, Little Alex is winning you over, by the way.
Speaker 4: So Freddy Boath is how I'm gonna say it. I
Speaker 4: hope that's I'm saying it correct. Apparently he was a
Speaker 4: huge fan of the first Mummy movie. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: he passed on an opportunity to be in Harry Potter
Speaker 4: because he wanted to audition for okay, to audition, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because he wanted to be in this movie so badly.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, man, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm gonna say, because because that kid, that
Speaker 1: kid isn't well, he's not a kid anymore. He's like
Speaker 1: in his thirties now. Yeah, he's working in you know,
Speaker 1: marketing or whatever, just just live in a normal adult life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of like, you know what, that
Speaker 1: that's that was the best path for him.
Speaker 4: And you know what if he then looks back on
Speaker 4: his acting career and he gets to see himself in
Speaker 4: his favorite movie franchise. He wins.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. It's you know, in the third film,
Speaker 1: they they Alex is like in his twenties. Oh really yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they recast their role and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, like, well that would suck,
Speaker 1: Like if they like this fourth one that they're doing,
Speaker 1: I would say, well, if you're gonna have Alex, you
Speaker 1: should have the original Alex, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which they don't tend to do right when they
Speaker 4: do the sequel. It's sort of like Independence Day. I remember,
Speaker 4: that's right, they recast the president's daughter and yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: a bummer.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was bullshit. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was curious by the way I was reading that
Speaker 4: they had to close down London's Tower Bridge, you know,
Speaker 4: so they could film. Yeah, and they were only allowed
Speaker 4: to do it for twenty minutes at a time, so
Speaker 4: for that makes sense, which totally makes sense, but it
Speaker 4: created a bunch of traffic jams, and apparently it became
Speaker 4: such a fiasco that they reduced their time to ten minutes.
Speaker 4: And I was just curious, if you've ever encountered something
Speaker 4: like that, like a road closed down for filming or.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, not. I have not, But I guess I've
Speaker 1: been lucky in that way, right because certainly in Chicago
Speaker 1: there's plenty of filming that goes on. I've never encountered it.
Speaker 1: I you know, when when there's filming in the Bay
Speaker 1: areas in the city, right, So so that I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know well ahead of time. I remember a few
Speaker 1: years ago, like you had like you had Matrix f
Speaker 1: and Venom and a couple of other things that we're
Speaker 1: all shooting right around the same time. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting you know, I was hearing from people
Speaker 1: in the city like, oh, you know, I saw such
Speaker 1: and such and they blocked off. This isn't it. But
Speaker 1: but I'm far enough out of the city that I
Speaker 1: haven't encountered. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't encountered anything major like that, where like
Speaker 4: a major freeway has been you know, rerouted or whatever.
Speaker 1: But what about like a James Cordon flash mob.
Speaker 4: Wait, didn't we see that? I do feel like we
Speaker 4: did see something.
Speaker 1: Did we see that?
Speaker 4: I feel like we did because we were right by
Speaker 4: CBS studios and we saw traffic was being stopped and
Speaker 4: people were kind of doing stuff.
Speaker 1: Be yes, cross walks, that's right. Okay, I do remember.
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly what it was, but I have
Speaker 4: seen there was a car chase that was filmed right
Speaker 4: around the corner from me a couple of months ago.
Speaker 4: Wow and yeah. And so basically, you know, ads or
Speaker 4: whoever PA's were blocking traffic, so they would let traffic go,
Speaker 4: you know, east to west for a little bit, but
Speaker 4: then they would stop them for like five minutes. And
Speaker 4: then there was like a big van chasing after a
Speaker 4: little car, and there were drones following it, and then
Speaker 4: they'd reset and then they'd let the cars go, and
Speaker 4: then they'd do it over and over again.
Speaker 1: And it was fair.
Speaker 4: I mean, cars were pissed, man like I because it
Speaker 4: was right there. I just sat and watched it for
Speaker 4: a while. And I can imagine, like you, you know,
Speaker 4: you think you're gonna be somewhere in five ten minutes
Speaker 4: or something, and then you're just sitting there and you
Speaker 4: don't know what's going on and people are just telling
Speaker 4: you you can't go through a green light. I can
Speaker 4: understand being frustrated with that.
Speaker 1: Well, look, if I'm in, if I'm behind the wheel
Speaker 1: of my car, and then James Corden Flashmob broke out.
Speaker 1: I'm saying my foot might find the gas, that's all.
Speaker 4: I'm James Gordon was understandably run over today by a citizen.
Speaker 1: You know what did happen? Though?
Speaker 4: One time I was driving down the one oh one
Speaker 4: and a band was in a big van or a
Speaker 4: truck or something, okay, and they they cut off traffic,
Speaker 4: like they took over, like cut all the lanes off,
Speaker 4: and then the band stood on top of the truck
Speaker 4: and they filmed.
Speaker 1: A music video. Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember being in that and I was stuck and
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on. And I read
Speaker 4: that that's what happened later, and I was like, there's
Speaker 4: like a fraction of a percent of me that is
Speaker 4: just like wow, the audacity or like the yeah, the
Speaker 4: balls or whatever. But mostly I'm like, dude, what if
Speaker 4: an ambulance.
Speaker 1: Needed to get through there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Those people need a beating.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, can you imagine if you were
Speaker 4: the front row, like blocked off and watching these people
Speaker 4: get up and be.
Speaker 1: Like all right, two three, four? Yeah, I don't know anyway,
Speaker 1: those band members need to be put in a room
Speaker 1: with the corpse of Tep while holding canopic urns yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then they get released. So then Mummy four
Speaker 4: is like the Mummy and the ghosts of those guys like, oh, like.
Speaker 1: That's what happens.
Speaker 4: We walk again, lived to Rock another day. And then
Speaker 4: Emotep's just like, h is there like following him around.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: I did love like this this. He's got this timeline
Speaker 4: sort of like the ring, you know, where it's five
Speaker 4: days are gonna die or something, and then he pulls
Speaker 4: the yeah, hourglass thing, and I was like, that feels
Speaker 4: very imprecise.
Speaker 1: That's funny. So this this bit where where Alex is
Speaker 1: so like he's speaking in English to Alex. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was like, is that like, does Alex understand him because
Speaker 1: he speaks ancient Egyptian?
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say, yeah, presumably, because I think
Speaker 4: they do the Hunt for Out October thing right where
Speaker 4: they like push in on his lips a little bit.
Speaker 4: That's right, because he's speaking, you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: when he's speaking, but then he like comes back out yeah,
Speaker 4: and then he's speaking English all of a sudden, which
Speaker 4: I every time I see that, I always think, what
Speaker 4: a clever device.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they they do that well in the
Speaker 1: Thirteenth Warrior. Mmmm. Except the way the the you've not
Speaker 1: seen that movie, I know, Yeah, so that's that's you know,
Speaker 1: Antonio benderis plays an Arab who's who's with these vikings,
Speaker 1: And but the way they do it there is like
Speaker 1: you just see him like watching them talk. Mmmm. And
Speaker 1: so you're through the passage of time, you're able to
Speaker 1: montage that he just figures out their language just by
Speaker 1: listening to them talking. I like that, but it's done
Speaker 1: in like a very cool way. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest. If if you and I were stuck in
Speaker 1: a train car with motype, I would shove you at him.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. I'm sorry. I want you
Speaker 1: to know as your friend, I would I would. I
Speaker 1: would feel bad about it, but I would totally do that.
Speaker 4: And then when I survive, that would be awkward.
Speaker 1: It would make it would make our next episodes very awkward.
Speaker 4: And then I approach you slowly and I'm covered in
Speaker 4: mummy dust. Yeah, just blowing it out of my face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be like, you'd be like Conan in that
Speaker 1: one where he becomes the Hulk.
Speaker 4: You'd be like, look, look, look what you did exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: I was That's funny, that's actually what I was picturing.
Speaker 4: It's like driving, like just cut to us in a
Speaker 4: car because you drove or whatever, and like it's just silence.
Speaker 4: But I'm still, you know, got dust coming off of
Speaker 4: me in the passenger seat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, we're getting into like the limits of early aughts
Speaker 1: CG abilities, you know. Yeah, we just weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 1: I think I was thinking about how again, Planet of
Speaker 1: the Apes was this summer, right, the Tim Burton one,
Speaker 1: and how that ten years later, with the Rise of
Speaker 1: the Planet of the Apes, we had the digital the
Speaker 1: Andy Cirkus apes, right, and how at this point you
Speaker 1: still needed Rick Baker real effects to make you know,
Speaker 1: the CG just wasn't there yet. Yep. And it's weird
Speaker 1: because I knew even when I watched this movie, I
Speaker 1: was like, the CGI ain't ain't great.
Speaker 4: I was kind of wondering. I wish I could put
Speaker 4: myself back in two thousand and one. Right, So I'm
Speaker 4: sure some of it some of it looks okay, but.
Speaker 1: Some of it doesn't. Yeah, well, I distinctler. Well, obviously
Speaker 1: the Scorpion King, like everybody knows that, but like even
Speaker 1: even the Nubis soldiers and stuff, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. And I didn't have that reaction
Speaker 1: to The Mummy the first film, yeah, which like watching now,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, it's maybe a few renders
Speaker 1: away from where it needs to be. But at the
Speaker 1: time I was like, no, that looks pretty solid. So
Speaker 1: this it felt like they were ahead of their skis. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somehow In the first one, I think the Emotep's
Speaker 4: face is in a sand storm or something, yeah, and
Speaker 4: I remember that looking like fine. But this one, when
Speaker 4: he's in the wave, I was like, oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: How did we go backwards? And I think it's just
Speaker 1: it's the same issue that we have today. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you give these technicians enough time, they'll give you something special. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean they were literally finishing up the effects
Speaker 1: the week of the premiere. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 4: And you know, and also this was the beginning of
Speaker 4: you know, I mean relatively speaking of CGI and new
Speaker 4: sorts of things, and maybe it's easier to create a
Speaker 4: face in sand particles and water had not been quite
Speaker 4: perfected yet.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but.
Speaker 4: Because I mean the Perfect Storm I remember was like
Speaker 4: a big leap forward for water.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like this is still kind of early playing with different
Speaker 4: elements and seeing what you can the element's period, just
Speaker 4: coming up with a fake water period, but then trying
Speaker 4: to manipulate the water to put some sort of fantastical
Speaker 4: face in it, and they just weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 1: Perfect Storm was the year before this, I think.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Yeah, if you watch that i LM documentary
Speaker 4: on Disney Plus, they talk about that and just the
Speaker 4: math of trying to create fake water. Yeah, it's highly
Speaker 4: recommend that. I don't remember exactly what it's called. It's
Speaker 4: the ILM. It's like a three episodes I think behind
Speaker 4: the scenes.
Speaker 1: About I don't know them, starting.
Speaker 4: With Star Wars all the way up to today, and
Speaker 4: it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: So tell me you weren't partially expecting that falcon to
Speaker 1: end up served on a dinner plate like in the
Speaker 1: Legend of Zorro movie. Totally yeh found you Like, were
Speaker 1: you trying to send this message? Ah? Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of disappointed we didn't get that, to be honest.
Speaker 4: See how this stuff, like, I know some of those
Speaker 4: things probably in the background aren't real or whatever, but like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just like having the real shrubbery
Speaker 4: back there. I just feel like everything is so overtouched
Speaker 4: these days, yeah, that it just gives the illusion of
Speaker 4: just nothing feels quite right or real.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it is kind of the Marvel
Speaker 1: problem right where. You know, what the Marvel folks have
Speaker 1: realized is, in order to get these movies with these
Speaker 1: enormous casts, will you film wherever it's convenient for them,
Speaker 1: and then you just smush them together. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you fill it all in later. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that can work up to a point, but you do
Speaker 1: start running into the limitation. Like remember a year ago
Speaker 1: we were talking about Captain America Civil War. How very
Speaker 1: obviously Scarlett Johansson was nowhere near anybody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right right, you know, yeah, Or it's like
Speaker 4: now because they can, they'll be like, we shot this
Speaker 4: scene to take place in the library, but we decided
Speaker 4: later we'd rather have it be on a basketball court. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So then they just change every element around the actors.
Speaker 4: And I just really do feel like you feel that
Speaker 4: by the way, this whole going across the moon thing
Speaker 4: in the dirigible or whatever. I was like, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 4: and I love it, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: it's a fantasy. Yeah, it feels almost like fairy tale
Speaker 4: like and I kind of liked it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have feelings about that? Well,
Speaker 1: you can't help but think of Et and Elliott totally totally.
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, there's this amazing line here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that where he goes it is written. He's like, where
Speaker 4: is all this stuff written? I love that?
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Well, that's why you have a character
Speaker 1: like like Jonathan is to just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: put to lampshade some of the silliness of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean we hear that in so many movies.
Speaker 4: You know it is written, and they're like, okay, you know,
Speaker 4: I believe you because you said it was written somewhere.
Speaker 4: It's like, where where is it written?
Speaker 1: And just the movie stops there, show me, show me
Speaker 1: where it's written. I got nowhere to be.
Speaker 4: That'd be like so family guy. And then you cut
Speaker 4: to them stopping their adventure and having to go to
Speaker 4: some special library and the books checked out. They're like, well,
Speaker 4: it's here. You can see it in the card catalog.
Speaker 1: But see, I like this this moment right here, just
Speaker 1: I want my son back. It's just a nice it's
Speaker 1: a nice moment, you know. Yeah, Yeah, make him feel
Speaker 1: like a fan family. It's it's it's tricky, right because
Speaker 1: you know, we have to feel their sense of peril
Speaker 1: because it's their child, and you know, one can imagine
Speaker 1: what they're going through. But yet, you know Alex he
Speaker 1: can't be helpless either, and so you know he's sort
Speaker 1: of plucky and so I mean there's sort of two
Speaker 1: masters that are being serviced there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it works. I think it's nice.
Speaker 4: I think it helps a lot. It kind of makes
Speaker 4: me think I wish we had seen a scene of
Speaker 4: them as a trio, yeah, you know, a family unit
Speaker 4: or something, because at the beginning, he like basically almost
Speaker 4: kills his parents, you know, through his tomfoolery in the caves,
Speaker 4: and then like when they're talking at the top of
Speaker 4: the stairs, he's just kind of messing around with the wrist.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't almost kill his parents. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: separately having their own tomfoolery. See this right there, this
Speaker 1: is the Bart Simpson moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, are we
Speaker 1: there yet? Are we there yet? And then he puts
Speaker 1: the knife in the thing and he's like great, ay man,
Speaker 1: He's like I missed, I miss come on. It's funny.
Speaker 4: Like I can imagine a scene where he's doing something
Speaker 4: and like almost gets into trouble, but then like you know,
Speaker 4: Rick lifts him up and he's like hey, you know,
Speaker 4: like gotta be careful there, like and she's like, just
Speaker 4: like your father, Like we see them as like a
Speaker 4: unit or something. If we don't have that scene.
Speaker 1: Well, we see Alex with his dad, and we see
Speaker 1: Alex with his mom, and we see both of them
Speaker 1: have a fun relationship with him. I think that that
Speaker 1: does some of the work there. Yeah. Yeah, look at
Speaker 1: that Arnold voslu he's back baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah wow. It's uh what do we like
Speaker 4: an hour in?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't. I don't know if this new new
Speaker 1: film is going to be im Hotep centric, but that
Speaker 1: would be a challenge to surmount because he's aged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, he's that you know, he's an
Speaker 1: old guy now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he should just because he is like a
Speaker 4: preserved dead person. Yeah, he should look the same. It
Speaker 4: looked the same yeah, yeah, I don't know what you do.
Speaker 4: Come up with the line. It's like that thank you
Speaker 4: for smoking line, you know, like how do we have
Speaker 4: smoking in space? You know, I don't know, just have
Speaker 4: a line where he said, thank god they invented the
Speaker 4: you know whatever.
Speaker 1: The rejuvenation curse is exactly. It's like, oh, but he
Speaker 1: has to have the appearance of a man in his seventies.
Speaker 4: Or yeah yeah, or it's just he's not fully restored.
Speaker 4: There you go, like like the process is happening, but
Speaker 4: it gets interrupted and he's like partially there.
Speaker 1: Gross. I was about to say that's my option. I
Speaker 1: might just stay on the train. Yeah, toilet toilett so
Speaker 1: climb through a toilet hole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, toilet hole. That'd be a good band name.
Speaker 1: Toilet be a good pan. Was that the band that
Speaker 1: stopped the traffic? Yeah? Right, we are toilet hole. Thank
Speaker 1: you one to one, free.
Speaker 4: Way, two three, four, My love for you.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: They're just not what you expect at all. That's cool looking.
Speaker 4: That was like guys on wires get Yeah, not that,
Speaker 4: but earlier it's scary, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: when the physics feel real and something's being manipulated by
Speaker 4: a bad guy.
Speaker 1: It's scary. That's the thing, right, That's what so many
Speaker 1: movies forget about m m is just keep keep a
Speaker 1: semblance of reality, and that's just gonna work. Wonders for
Speaker 1: pulling us in, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, I know the trade off is
Speaker 4: you get, you know, a knee that never works the same,
Speaker 4: you know, or whatever if your printed fraser. But later
Speaker 4: I was thinking, when you see him getting thrown around
Speaker 4: and spinning in the air and you're like, oh crap,
Speaker 4: that really is him. Yeah, and even this this looks
Speaker 4: cool the kid there, Like, now, again, I'm all for
Speaker 4: safety being first, but like, you get these digital doubles
Speaker 4: and they look pretty good. I gotta say, Actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: for the most part, sometimes I don't even realize it's
Speaker 4: a digital double, but there just really is something to
Speaker 4: be said about or at least getting a shot of
Speaker 4: them like rolling into frame or something, and the appearance
Speaker 4: like they're really involved in the action, and like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I just I noticed it in this film and.
Speaker 1: I appreciated it. That's enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm sorry for the aches and the ad
Speaker 4: velvet for taking down. Yeah, but I appreciate you, well,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: That that's been nice for you know, especially over the
Speaker 1: last few years. I'm Brandon Fraser has hopefully gotten to
Speaker 1: see how beloved he is totally.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I feel like when he was doing a press tour
Speaker 4: for I don't know if it was The Whale or
Speaker 4: I forgot what the last one was, but I feel
Speaker 4: like people were saying that and reading things to him,
Speaker 4: and there were clips that I saw where he was
Speaker 4: getting like emotional hearing how appreciated he is, and it's.
Speaker 1: He's he's a really like humble dude. That's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the sense that you get. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember when we were at the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Critics Awards a couple of years ago. Remember he was there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and just I mean I didn't even go
Speaker 1: approach him, but I mean you just see the look
Speaker 1: on his face. It wasn't it was like like what
Speaker 1: am I doing here? Kind of thing, you know, which
Speaker 1: made me happy.
Speaker 4: I remember when he was in Killers of the Flower
Speaker 4: Moon Yep, I was like, dude, you're in a Scorsese movie,
Speaker 4: like he's my friend or something, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all bit here. How much you think this was, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we want to put Rachel bis in like a really
Speaker 1: skim be I mean, yeah, totally right. Yeah, all this
Speaker 1: reincarnation a go go is a little much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a few extra steps than we need. However,
Speaker 4: I gotta give credit where it's due. Apparently they really
Speaker 4: did train for all this stuff, and it does. It
Speaker 4: looks cool, like the fighting with size I mean even
Speaker 4: in the inter Turtles struggle to make fighting with sizes
Speaker 4: look good.
Speaker 1: You know, Now, I don't think that's really Rachel mccadams
Speaker 1: doing those summer songs or vice. Yeah no, or yeah,
Speaker 1: did I say Rachel mcaddams. Yeah, it's definitely not Rachel McAdams.
Speaker 1: I know that, as actually did.
Speaker 4: You won't believe this bit of trivia it is, But
Speaker 4: there's enough here of them twirling stuff around and whatever.
Speaker 4: It cuts well there.
Speaker 1: But it's this and then the final fight scene there's
Speaker 1: a little matrix sish stuff happening for sure, for sure
Speaker 1: where it's like where you watch it, you're like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: as was the style at the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking that with Charlie's Angels right where
Speaker 4: there's just made no sense for them to be doing
Speaker 4: like Matrix like wire fou.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, we're really into
Speaker 4: that then, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. I don't think these two
Speaker 1: like each other very much. Brian seems to me she
Speaker 1: doesn't like her future stepmom. Here.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's kind of strange. Actually, now I think about it,
Speaker 4: like the same age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Pharaoh. I'm gonna say, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the things were like in their time.
Speaker 1: I think maybe he had it coming.
Speaker 4: But now, isn't this touched on in the first movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, so we we kind of do a
Speaker 1: little back to the future to.
Speaker 4: Action and literally had that thought. Yes, it's like we
Speaker 4: go back into the first movie. Yeah, but we're adding
Speaker 4: on to it right exactly. Mean Rachel Weiss wasn't fighting
Speaker 4: with size.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like that that definitely did not happen to
Speaker 1: the person. Yeah, like we see, uh the scene where
Speaker 1: where em O tip and and and an Ox him
Speaker 1: and where they killed a pharaoh, but we we see
Speaker 1: it from her perspective right here.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, which, by the way, the uh.
Speaker 1: What's her name?
Speaker 4: Not Anox suman Anna Moon?
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 4: I love this by the way, though, where the pharaoh
Speaker 4: comes in and she totally does the like, you know,
Speaker 4: like just standing with the statue kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I was expecting you.
Speaker 4: You don't talk about like, ye, it's hilarious. Wait here
Speaker 4: is just puts her arm on that statue and.
Speaker 1: They would have gone away with it, except that that
Speaker 1: m O Tep got a little handsy with her with
Speaker 1: her arm tattoo.
Speaker 4: Although I gotta be honest, if I walked in on
Speaker 4: her like that, I'd be too distracted to be thinking
Speaker 4: about michelse.
Speaker 1: Well, not pharaoh. That's that's why he's the pharaoh and
Speaker 1: you're not Brian. That's true. That's true. Although uh, if
Speaker 1: you were the pharaoh, you probably wouldn't be dead then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to show so there is that whoops?
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah. How is nepher Tierri's spirit? Like has
Speaker 4: she always been inside ev Like?
Speaker 1: Is it in her line or something? Or is in
Speaker 1: this movie? Was that soul put into her or something?
Speaker 1: Or what's the Well as I see it, m O
Speaker 1: Tep is doing his little ritual to put a Sunamon's
Speaker 1: soul back in this new body.
Speaker 4: Yes, is she in the line of this person? Because
Speaker 4: she looks exactly the same or is it just.
Speaker 1: Uh, you can't see me, but I'm doing the shrug emoji. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that thing just now where she stabs herself and dies, yeah,
Speaker 1: is kind of hilarious. Dude.
Speaker 4: I thought about how everybody gives Marian Kotieri or k
Speaker 4: crap about her death scene and uh, Dark Knight rises yep,
Speaker 4: And I was like, nah, I think we have a
Speaker 4: new contender.
Speaker 1: We may so anyway, Uh, I see it as they're
Speaker 1: doing the ritual, and so because Rachel Vice is also
Speaker 1: Nepher Tieri, which was changed from Neffer TD by the way,
Speaker 1: which is hilarious because they were like, people are gonna
Speaker 1: laugh because of TD ha titty, Yeah, yeah that is
Speaker 1: which which on the one hand, you're like, God, that's stupid,
Speaker 1: but you're like, yeah, you know what, maybe that was
Speaker 1: probably the right instinct because yeah, maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: people being people, but so so as a result of
Speaker 1: the ritual, they're sort of re experiencing it. So so
Speaker 1: like Evy sort of gets caught up in it because
Speaker 1: I see that this is me. I'm just like I'm
Speaker 1: just brainstorming here. You know. Hopefully Stephen Summers is out
Speaker 1: there somewhere giving me a Miagi look, because I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's so funny our different takes on that because I'm
Speaker 4: just like like, oh, hug, it's like that when I
Speaker 4: picture his thing, But I I like giving him a
Speaker 4: more stoic take.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Camels watch out, they spit, they do.
Speaker 4: Just Yeah, have we ever done Aladdin?
Speaker 1: We have not done Aladdin amazingly enough, do we?
Speaker 4: We didn't get here yet, right, But I do love
Speaker 4: the whole conceit where he's leaving these little clue Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's clever, Yeah, little smart castles and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a good idea. I mean, I find all of
Speaker 1: the scenes with mister Echo and the kid very funny.
Speaker 1: And I know I keep calling him mister Echo. I
Speaker 1: know that's not his name. Yeah, but no, I of
Speaker 1: course his name is extraordinary and I don't want to
Speaker 1: mispronounce it, So instead I will speak of his beloved
Speaker 1: character from Lost. Yeah, beloved question mark character from Lost?
Speaker 4: I think so, right, that's my memory.
Speaker 1: Was mister Echo beloved? I don't know. I thought so.
Speaker 1: He was one of the tailies, right, oh man? He was?
Speaker 1: Did people like the tailies?
Speaker 4: It's just like all a blur in my head now,
Speaker 4: But man, was I into that show?
Speaker 1: No, when it was on, I'd like to watch it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I owe my Master's thesis to lust.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, dude. You know it'd be hilarious. I
Speaker 4: would have loved because he looks at the hourglass in
Speaker 4: the sand, and I'm just loving how not precise that
Speaker 4: would actually be. I think it would be funny if
Speaker 4: Emo tep he's the one who did it right, he
Speaker 4: started it. He had the mask on, so it'd be
Speaker 4: funny if he's like, now we must go, and then
Speaker 4: he knocks it over.
Speaker 1: I was like, who the like has to put it
Speaker 1: back up? You know what I mean. So it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: to be fair. I think when he I don't think
Speaker 1: he's like from now, Like when he flips it over,
Speaker 1: he's using it as a metaphor. I know. Just I
Speaker 1: don't know, because it's seven days from when he put
Speaker 1: the thing on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just so the kid understands the passage of time.
Speaker 1: That's right, because kids don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I the kid's fine.
Speaker 1: The kid's fine.
Speaker 4: Something something occurred to me watching him with mister Echo.
Speaker 1: I'm going to join you.
Speaker 4: I think he's a little cocky for me, sure, And
Speaker 4: I think short Round is confident, but he also experiences
Speaker 4: doubt and fear and all sorts of things that a
Speaker 4: person might. And I think if this kid did have
Speaker 4: maybe a few more moments of where are you mom,
Speaker 4: you know, or something like, it might might endear me
Speaker 4: to him a little bit more. But he's just always
Speaker 4: very cocky and and I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you just don't like kids my temple. That's funny.
Speaker 1: See he keeps spotting the falcon.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And you're right, that would have
Speaker 4: been a good moment because they shoot it later, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, And he's like Horace. It'd be funny
Speaker 1: if they serve them chicken and he's like Horas. I'm
Speaker 1: just I think, just because we just saw that recently
Speaker 1: in Thatzro movie.
Speaker 4: That I feel like I watched something else recently where
Speaker 4: they did that and they fed someone a bird?
Speaker 1: Is that like a recurring? Is that a trope that
Speaker 1: I wasn't even aware of? Oh man, what was I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna remember what it was. But so you have
Speaker 1: not seen the third one? No, So, by the way,
Speaker 1: there is almost that you never felt that urge to
Speaker 1: see the Rachel Viceless Mummy movie. Right, and she's it's
Speaker 1: not like she's the character is gone, right, They just
Speaker 1: recast that character. Yeah, with somebody who no disrespect to
Speaker 1: Maria Bellow, who I think is a good actress. But god,
Speaker 1: could you have found somebody who looks less like Rachel Weiss? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like don't even feel like they're related.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so weird. Yeah, I've seen that movie just
Speaker 1: the one time. That was directed by Rob Cohen.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, Okay, Yeah, I gotta admit. As I was
Speaker 4: watching this, I thought, oh, there's like another adventure with
Speaker 4: most of these characters, like that seems like something I
Speaker 4: could see one night being in the movie for But yeah,
Speaker 4: I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean that, Yeah, I I've saw I've seen it
Speaker 1: one time back around when it came out, and I
Speaker 1: didn't see it in the theater. I saw it on cable. Uh.
Speaker 1: But that that's like Britton Fraser is doing a lot
Speaker 1: of lifting for that one. Sure, sure, sure, because I.
Speaker 4: Mean what's what? What what's different about it? Or what
Speaker 4: doesn't work as well? I mean what because it also
Speaker 4: didn't perform very well?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, well, what's different? Is just about everything, right,
Speaker 1: I mean ev is different for one. Yeah, uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's no No m O tep so. So it's the
Speaker 1: Terracotta Warriors, and it's the it's the Dragon Emperor. Okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: Rob Cohen is not not a great director.
Speaker 4: I would say, did he do the first Fast and Furious?
Speaker 1: He did? Yeah, yeah, just a few weeks after this
Speaker 1: came out. Well, uh, it's just everything. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it's again. I I I suspect we will
Speaker 1: be watching it for you know, whenever, whenever the third,
Speaker 1: whenever the fourth one of these comes out.
Speaker 4: It's the path we've chosen.
Speaker 1: It is the path we're on. So so you know,
Speaker 1: I'll almost withhold my thoughts until it's fresher. But I
Speaker 1: I remember it not blowing me away. It's weird because
Speaker 1: because jet Lee is the the the heel, Michelle Yeoh
Speaker 1: is in it. I mean, it's got a good cast.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay, Yeah, it's just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: at some point, I know there there is one scene
Speaker 1: where they the characters crash in the Himalayas and they
Speaker 1: have to they face off with Yeti's okay, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: don't right, that's that's my no no, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because it's just one bridge too far. See.
Speaker 4: Then I love it if they were saved by a
Speaker 4: snowman and like what do we call you?
Speaker 1: And he's like frosty, Like why not just go full
Speaker 1: myth that's the only thing missing and yeah yeah. At
Speaker 1: one point they're throwing something and you've got Yeti's doing
Speaker 1: like field goal signals.
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, okay, so that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: That's that. Yeah, So actually I want to revise what
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: So they the snowman he doesn't have a name because
Speaker 4: he doesn't have hees he's been separated from his people,
Speaker 4: he's never really interacted with someone, and he's just like,
Speaker 4: I don't have a name. And then they shake hands.
Speaker 4: He goes, oh that's a little frosty. And then someone goes,
Speaker 4: say that again, that's what we do credits. Yeah, thank
Speaker 4: you for letting me do that.
Speaker 1: I you know what, it wouldn't have been a commentary
Speaker 1: without it. I look at Arnold Bosley, who like performing
Speaker 1: the like swallowing the ship or whatever, yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: did he feel weird doing all that? Yeah? Right, this
Speaker 1: is weird. That said I like this piece right here,
Speaker 1: he walks by the kid and he like tussles his hair. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And there you go. There's a nice moment for you
Speaker 1: when you were wanting. There you go.
Speaker 4: Finally he's been humbled. Now his parents are dead exactly.
Speaker 1: I like that whole bit where he's he seems genuinely
Speaker 1: scared and and and the mummy is such a piece
Speaker 1: of shit asshole that he just tussles his hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just killed your parents, Pat, Pat Okay, Now,
Speaker 4: now look at the state of this airship. I didn't
Speaker 4: even think about it.
Speaker 1: There is there is no universe where he's able to
Speaker 1: pull a last minute safe.
Speaker 4: That is hilarious. I can't believe I didn't. I do
Speaker 4: remember getting up to make popcorn at one point. Maybe
Speaker 4: it was this point. That is really funny. They should
Speaker 4: have put more like, I don't know, you know, tournique
Speaker 4: sort of whatever you want. I don't know what you
Speaker 4: put on a ship that's busted, but like made it
Speaker 4: look way more cobbled back together at the.
Speaker 1: End, because literally you have o'connorall like, well is he
Speaker 1: if anybody can find hot air, it's you. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: ha ha but no, seriously, doesn't he say something about
Speaker 1: its gas.
Speaker 4: It's not we're gonna we're gonna fill it up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, there goes horace. Poor little bird. He's trying to help.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just helping him out.
Speaker 1: He was helping our death. But look at look at
Speaker 1: the poor lady. He's so sad.
Speaker 4: I wish it had landed right in front of him.
Speaker 1: And it was like.
Speaker 4: And it just said, like its subtitles, I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it, and it's just like, you know.
Speaker 1: He's just like, don't talk that way. Rest now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then yeah, and then it dies with its
Speaker 4: eyes open and he has to close his little eye
Speaker 4: bird eyelids.
Speaker 1: Just do it. We missed out. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: there's a wipe there.
Speaker 4: Sort of reminds me of Star Wars because most movies
Speaker 4: don't do that a lot. I saw a movie recently
Speaker 4: that I'm forgetting what it was, which is the trend
Speaker 4: in this commentary, and they did wipes and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I love it when I see them because
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, let's try that. Maybe we can bring
Speaker 4: that back. But I don't know that I would risk
Speaker 4: it if I was making a movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, you wouldn't put a star wipe a star.
Speaker 4: Wipe you know what I mean, Like, you know, wipe
Speaker 4: left to right or something like. Yeah, if you're making
Speaker 4: an adventure or a fantasy or something, there's something kind
Speaker 4: of fun and playful about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that is true, don't. We don't
Speaker 1: see them as much. Yeah, So these pigmy mummies, if
Speaker 1: you think of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do I think of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think you lift them out of the movie and
Speaker 4: you wouldn't miss it.
Speaker 1: That My thought was, it's weird because I start thinking
Speaker 1: like in terms of like so like just like there's
Speaker 1: like mummy cultures everywhere and they're all just all coming
Speaker 1: back to life everywhere. It's weird. But then you know
Speaker 1: it's clearly there's at least some like velociraptors in oh,
Speaker 1: the Lost World. That's that's what came to my mind.
Speaker 4: Now actually think about it, and I'm not accusing anyone
Speaker 4: of anything, but like you've you got those sort of
Speaker 4: t two moments earlier. I thought of that too, because
Speaker 4: you got the people walking through that tall grass basically
Speaker 4: being sucked down like the people, you know, the people
Speaker 4: in Lost World a lot of like feeling the influences.
Speaker 1: Maybe, well, I mean this this movie is such a
Speaker 1: pastiche right, yeah, the so it makes sense that it
Speaker 1: seems like Summers is is that type of filmmaker who
Speaker 1: just who wears those influences on a sleeve. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And by the way, most artists do, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So that's sure that and if you can
Speaker 4: take something that you've seen before and run with it
Speaker 4: and make it your own, I mean, hey, that's yeah,
Speaker 4: good artists do. So it's not an accusation, is what
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I mean look, look, George Lucas and
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg were their inspirations in their sleep, so I mean.
Speaker 4: That's exactly exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: We talk about that a lot.
Speaker 4: But their inspirations didn't live on as long as their
Speaker 4: work has. So when people rip on Spielberg and Lucas,
Speaker 4: immediately you go, oh, I know what that is because
Speaker 4: we're still watching that stuff and they're still making sequels
Speaker 4: to that stuff. But the things that you know, Lucas
Speaker 4: and Spielberg watched, we don't generally tend to see as much, right,
Speaker 4: And so it's almost like they have reclaimed those things
Speaker 4: and made them they get associated with those true exactly.
Speaker 1: Well it's I mean, just a few weeks after this,
Speaker 1: we had The Fast and the Furious, which is a
Speaker 1: pretty transparent ripoff of Point Break. Yeah, right, right exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, but I suspect less people remember Point Break
Speaker 1: than are fully enveloped in the Fast and Furious franchise,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And there was a year where I was watching all
Speaker 4: the Simpsons or listening to all this's commentaries for every
Speaker 4: episode for like the first ten seasons, and I love it.
Speaker 4: They're amazing, and it was amazing to learn how many
Speaker 4: jokes they're like, oh, we got that from when I
Speaker 4: was a kid. I watched the show and the guy
Speaker 4: used to say that, and I'm like, oh, you didn't
Speaker 4: make that up, you know. Like it was illuminating, and
Speaker 4: also like kind of it gave me like relief to
Speaker 4: know that these people aren't supernatural comedic geniuses, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. They're just learned how to take things
Speaker 4: that they remembered or were inspired by and put them
Speaker 4: into the Simpsons universe in a unique sort of way.
Speaker 4: And so it made it seem like, oh, that's it's
Speaker 4: possible to be that funny, right, what I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I found it to be a cool thing
Speaker 4: instead of like a disappointment to learn that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, it's it's all part of
Speaker 1: a lineage. M hm. That makes sense.
Speaker 4: But I also feel like with these Pigmy characters, they're
Speaker 4: not the technology isn't there, right, So that doesn't help
Speaker 4: on of everything else. You know, you just got these
Speaker 4: little cartoon characters just kind of like like the Critters
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, from the movie Critters in
Speaker 4: the eighties, Like just kind of running around just ahha,
Speaker 4: cackling a camera. I don't know, I wouldn't mind moving along.
Speaker 1: That's it's it's weird because the movie's over two hours.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's one sequence who could have
Speaker 1: done without.
Speaker 4: Yeah, although I do like the way this looks like,
Speaker 4: I like seeing them out there and all this real,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So as I was watching this, I was like, is
Speaker 1: this a sound stage or is this location? It could
Speaker 1: be either.
Speaker 4: Frankly, yeah, but I do like that I can tell
Speaker 4: that they're wandering through real stuff, right, and just seeing
Speaker 4: the light, like real light dancing off of all.
Speaker 1: These leaves just feels good. I was reading something too
Speaker 1: about how.
Speaker 4: Difficult it was with the torches because they only burned
Speaker 4: for about three minutes at a time.
Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting, And sometimes I think about that in movies.
Speaker 4: You know, you watch you know, Indiana Jones take a bone, right,
Speaker 4: you know, and they wrap like something around it, and
Speaker 4: then he's got like this torch.
Speaker 1: That's just like burning and forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just it's just funny to think in
Speaker 4: real life, like half the things we would love to
Speaker 4: try just would ever work.
Speaker 1: Well, if there's one thing that horror movies have taught
Speaker 1: me is never go like close to stuff. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah this, Yeah, what's that weird looking thing? Let me
Speaker 1: get closer. No, there's your first mistake. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good get further away. Yeah, well, let me pull out
Speaker 1: my iPhone camera and do like the zoom in. That's
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna see what it looks like.
Speaker 4: That is hilarious. You know, I'm like of two minds. Actually, now,
Speaker 4: I do think the sequence is fun. I guess I
Speaker 4: just don't care for those creatures very much. And then
Speaker 4: when they come back later, it's just like an extra
Speaker 4: thing that maybe we didn't need. But but this this is fun.
Speaker 4: Seeing all those darts hit their chests and they fall over.
Speaker 1: That stuff is great. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even make
Speaker 1: the critter's connection. That's that's good. That's kind of what.
Speaker 4: They look like, right, I mean they're like faster Gremlins
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have that kind of comical Gremlins energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I do like that when they see Emo
Speaker 4: tap and like ooh sorry, you know back in a way.
Speaker 1: You don't mess with Demo tap. Yeah. Yeah, this is yeah,
Speaker 1: very very he lost world. This where they're getting pulled
Speaker 1: into the grass.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was That was so like Jurassic Park, right,
Speaker 4: like drag a guy off screen and then just see
Speaker 4: a bunch of bushes swaying. Yep, so you like know
Speaker 4: what's happening behind the bush?
Speaker 1: Say, they give Jonathan a little hero moment here, yes,
Speaker 1: where Yeah, he's not a stumbling dufist when it comes
Speaker 1: to firing. I do like that. That almost feels like
Speaker 1: a like a John Hannah note. Yeah yeah, yeah, give me,
Speaker 1: give me something, you know. Yeah yeah, so this this
Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, So so the way the movie is
Speaker 1: situating it, it's like, oh, our death Bay and Lochnaw
Speaker 1: they have like this this age's old rivalry, which like
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you know sure, right because because
Speaker 1: when when when our death Bay kills him, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be it's like he has this look on his
Speaker 1: face like oh me, you know, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what what do you want us to feel? Like? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I feel like if he
Speaker 1: was and just through some some expo, like you know,
Speaker 1: we were like brothers, he was a madgi yeah, and
Speaker 1: he turned his back on the order like something like that.
Speaker 4: Right, I would lose this sequence happily to gain that moment.
Speaker 4: It's so odd, like make this moment mean something, yeah,
Speaker 4: or you know what I'm saying, like it, I know
Speaker 4: I'm saying this moment and that's where the moment happens.
Speaker 4: But like that thing between them, Yeah, I would give
Speaker 4: up any you know, special effects thing for three minutes
Speaker 4: to make this mean more.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it, because because the look on his face
Speaker 1: right right, it's kind of it's like supposed to be
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe it was. Maybe they deleted the scene right.
Speaker 1: Right there at look at a look on his face.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, that's odd anyway, those are like little things,
Speaker 1: right because it would have been very easy to just
Speaker 1: have a line of dialogue here there to add some
Speaker 1: weight to that.
Speaker 4: Completely agree.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Actually it'd be kind of funny if they like made
Speaker 4: up in that moment and then Jonathan shoots him. He's
Speaker 4: like I got him.
Speaker 1: They like shake hands. Yeah, he's smiling, and then his
Speaker 1: head explodes like a balloon, yeah, all over him missed out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that what we just saw there where the little
Speaker 1: Pigmy guy comes right at the camera. That was in
Speaker 1: the trailer for sure.
Speaker 4: I remember that, sure, and it was probably a new
Speaker 4: sort of thing that we hadn't seen a lot at.
Speaker 1: This I think. I think the Pigmy Guy was also
Speaker 1: listed by name in the in the trailer and little
Speaker 1: Pigmy Man and the Rock as the Scorpion King. You know.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Well, we've hadn't really talked about the Rock much. I
Speaker 4: think he is done, right, I mean, the rest of
Speaker 4: it is just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in like three minutes of just sort
Speaker 1: of doing the rock bottom and walking around in the desert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this was his first movie, right, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he did his whatever like two days. That's
Speaker 1: what Stephen Summer said. It was like two days because
Speaker 1: he it was like in between wrestling bouts, so he
Speaker 1: just showed up in Marrakesha where they were shooting and
Speaker 1: then you know Haku Machente and then you know they
Speaker 1: sent him. Yeah, and those rushes were enough for Universal
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, give this man his own movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny because I did not follow wrestling very much. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I know that he I mean I knew who
Speaker 4: he was because he was that big popular of a figure.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so yeah he he. I feel like he
Speaker 1: gained a new round of credibility when he hosted SNL
Speaker 1: mmmm because he you know, showed a lot of range.
Speaker 1: This is a funny moment right here when O'Connell throws
Speaker 1: the I do like this, Yeah, the dynamite stick like that.
Speaker 1: I like the the the profile shot we get. This
Speaker 1: is hilarious. Just all of them little guys just running
Speaker 1: across the log as it explodes. Very funny. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that was like two thousand, I think when when the
Speaker 1: Rock hosted SNL Okay, he gets this job again. They
Speaker 1: look at his rushes, They're like, give that man a
Speaker 1: spin off. And literally within a year of this movie
Speaker 1: coming out because April of two, the Scorpion King came out, wow,
Speaker 1: and the rest was history Wow April o two, right,
Speaker 1: and then the Rundown was three. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he came out the he came out the gate hot. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I remember the Rundown because I remember Sean really
Speaker 4: liked that movie a lot. Yeah, and so I think
Speaker 4: I watched it with him, and it was sort of
Speaker 4: like him doing like a real you know, acting role
Speaker 4: where it wasn't sort of like a novelty having this
Speaker 4: wrestlers show up as a villain for half that, right
Speaker 4: or something. And then real quick, real good, please.
Speaker 1: It's this bit where O'Connell is outracing the sun for
Speaker 1: it is ridiculous obviously.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if the sun did move that fast?
Speaker 1: Right? Like it defies physics. But but I love this
Speaker 1: moment right here where he's like, it's not easy being
Speaker 1: a dad and his son's like, yeah, but you do
Speaker 1: it really good. Yeah, It's just it's just a nice moment.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, I like that you have a
Speaker 1: father and son they're not at odds with each other. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: the son loves It's just a nice moment. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I'll also say this piece coming up where
Speaker 1: where Ev gets stabbed. Yes, and and you know it's
Speaker 1: like you're like, okay, well obviously she's not really dead.
Speaker 1: Like I. You know, even when I watched this, I
Speaker 1: was like, well, there, this isn't that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it ain't that kind of movie. You know, right, that's
Speaker 1: Mark Hamill his imitation of Harrison Ford, you know, right
Speaker 1: about Star Wars. But tell me if I'm wrong. Great
Speaker 1: performance by both them. Yeah, and it looks like she's dying.
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser is awesome here.
Speaker 4: I love him tearing out of that you know place
Speaker 4: after her that and.
Speaker 1: Then just his his despair when it looks like she's dying.
Speaker 1: It's it's heartbreaking. I just love. I love the idea
Speaker 1: that this guy, this macho guy, and it's just you know,
Speaker 1: he's just his heart is tied up in how much
Speaker 1: he loves his wife. I don't know. I think it's great. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree. And I think it's a great performance by
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser right here. I think both of them. I
Speaker 1: think that's just Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do remember this standing out to me last night,
Speaker 4: because you know, this movie is it's fun. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a romp and this felt so sincere, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: it really does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, like it's almost like it's so sincere
Speaker 1: you don't want them to undo it, you know, yeah, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's like, again, that's
Speaker 1: that's the movie, you know. You know, well, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna end that way. But I think it's a great
Speaker 1: performance regardless, and it goes.
Speaker 4: A long way in making us understand how much they.
Speaker 1: Love each other. I totally agree with that. But yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: we were talking about the rock No, no, no, it's just well.
Speaker 4: And then I thought it was interesting because he did
Speaker 4: the Rundown thing, and you know there's that scene where
Speaker 4: Schwartznigger's in there, right yeah, basically like hands off the
Speaker 4: action hero mantle to him says something like.
Speaker 1: That fun or something.
Speaker 4: But then I remember he did Southland Tails.
Speaker 1: And I remember be cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he right out of the gate didn't put
Speaker 4: himself in one lane. I think that was what he
Speaker 4: suffered from a little bit after that, where he was
Speaker 4: just kind of kept playing the same character over the
Speaker 4: same guy. But right out of the gate, it's kind
Speaker 4: of bold and fascinating that he experimented a lot, and
Speaker 4: maybe even in movies that you would think the audience
Speaker 4: who would follow him might not might not be their bag,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So it loved that he pushed himself a lot in
Speaker 1: those early you know, I saw the trailer for Coyote
Speaker 1: versus z Acme, which I don't know, did you see that?
Speaker 1: I did? And you know, you got John Cena playing
Speaker 1: a lawyer, right, and I'm like, oh, that's novel, you know, sure,
Speaker 1: And you know, partly it's because John Cena is sort
Speaker 1: of I feel like Sena and maybe to a lesser extent,
Speaker 1: Dave Batista have like looked at the Duyne Johnson arc
Speaker 1: and and been like, Okay, what can we learn from this? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well again, I mean at the beginning, Dwayne Johnson was
Speaker 4: willing to play silly characters, or rather of his characters,
Speaker 4: and then it feels like, for some reason later he
Speaker 4: got it in his head that he always had to
Speaker 4: win every.
Speaker 1: Fight, and I think he just got invested in his brand,
Speaker 1: whatever that is, you know. Yeah, yeah, the perception, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know the problem there is eventually it gets
Speaker 1: played out. Yeah, yeah, if people see you don't have
Speaker 1: any other notes to play then then they move on right,
Speaker 1: like like Schwarzenegger handing it off. But you know this
Speaker 1: movie came out what was it September October three at
Speaker 1: the Rundown? I mean Schwarzenegger did Terminator three, that that
Speaker 1: earlier that year, right, and really that T three is
Speaker 1: arguably like the final Schwarzenegger movie of the of his
Speaker 1: peak era. Sure, so it's the timing is entirely apropos
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, right, so it's like he does his
Speaker 1: final action movie, then becomes governor. He became governor and
Speaker 1: O three, I'm pretty sure hands hands the ball to
Speaker 1: Duwayn Johnson. It took Dwyne Johnson a couple of years
Speaker 1: to figure out what his movie star a persona was,
Speaker 1: but he got locked into that. Yeah, and then he
Speaker 1: got stuck. Yeah, then got stuck. But yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you do the thing this last year? Oh? The machine? Right?
Speaker 1: The what is the smashing machine? Smashing machine? Yeah, which
Speaker 1: did too? We are two old men? Can I just
Speaker 1: say that? Dude?
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't believe I don't even remember
Speaker 4: the title. I'm getting bad with titles. But which is
Speaker 4: funny because that used to be our strength. I know,
Speaker 4: there's just too much stuff up there anyway. But he
Speaker 4: was very very good in that. I mean that movie
Speaker 4: didn't land or hit. I think the way that they
Speaker 4: had hoped for him, you know, thought it'd be like
Speaker 4: an Awards contender kind of thing.
Speaker 1: He is really good in it.
Speaker 4: He's playing a character, he's doing something different, and so
Speaker 4: it was nice to see him stretching again.
Speaker 1: Well and just as much as the film. His performance
Speaker 1: while promoting the movie with his with his glass on
Speaker 1: his nose, his fingers steepled.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know. I for some reason that has just
Speaker 4: become like a thing in our minds. And I saw him.
Speaker 4: I think it was like Emily Blunt's Walk of Fame ceremony,
Speaker 4: and he had like the glasses on. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's glasses, rock classes rock. See this stupid idiot he
Speaker 4: sticks his hand in the thing. Dude, don't stick your
Speaker 4: hand in the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Never, never, Like it's like he's never seen a
Speaker 1: horror movie. You know.
Speaker 4: Where I learned that, The Ewalk Adventure.
Speaker 1: Exactly there you go.
Speaker 4: The boy sticks the hand in the hole in the tree,
Speaker 4: and I never forgot it.
Speaker 1: That's what we learned from Mace.
Speaker 4: Yeah, holy crab.
Speaker 1: Nice Mace and Sindele.
Speaker 4: Yes, wow, okay, okay, you know what, whatever titles you
Speaker 4: have forgotten, you're forgiven for remembering that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm realizing there's like a cut off date.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, anything passed like ten years ago
Speaker 1: is gonna be a push. That's amazing. So John Hannah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, In the very
Speaker 1: first episode of the Last of Us television show, he's
Speaker 1: the he's the like it starts with like a a
Speaker 1: TV broadcast from like the seventies, and he's the professor.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, you know, the the fun guy
Speaker 1: can metamorphos or whatever. I don't know what he says,
Speaker 1: but like that it's him. I was like, hey, it's
Speaker 1: it's Jonathan.
Speaker 4: I remember that moment, but I forgot that it was him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. He's also in Sliding Doors. That's I think
Speaker 1: what most American audiences not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a movie where it's become you know, like
Speaker 4: it's like people know the concept more than the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that phrase, I mean, is that where it comes
Speaker 4: from literally that film when people say that sliding doors, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like h groundhog Day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, exactly.
Speaker 1: How like the movie changed what that phrase means. M
Speaker 1: m m m right. If you say it feels like
Speaker 1: groundhog Day, you're not like, oh, it feels like winter
Speaker 1: and we don't know if we're gonna have six more weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's no, it feels like we're just living the same
Speaker 1: day a getting. That's an nice thing right here. I
Speaker 1: love this.
Speaker 4: That's great, that's great, very stylish.
Speaker 1: The flicker.
Speaker 4: I realized, like we're seeing all this stuff on it
Speaker 4: on the screen here, but.
Speaker 1: Oh, you gotta subscribe on Patreon watch and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but basically Fraser's entering like a big I don't know,
Speaker 4: throne room or something, and like it's a close up
Speaker 4: on his face and the flames, you know, they're flickering
Speaker 4: on him, and when it goes dark you can't see anything,
Speaker 4: so his face is just sort of like light on
Speaker 4: his flate. I'm not describing it as well.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. You should watch it. It looked neat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 4: I can tell him like slowing down.
Speaker 1: So well, two things. Number one, you have this this
Speaker 1: speed ramping during this fight, Yeah, which looks cool, no doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But also it feels like weirdly out of step with
Speaker 1: the with the style of the movie. Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a weird stutter sort of thing moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand because you would think if that was happening,
Speaker 4: we're supposed to understand something is happening in that moment, right,
Speaker 4: But to your point.
Speaker 1: They don't do it anywhere else. It's just matrix inspired.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good I didn't even I clocked it,
Speaker 4: but I didn't understand why it was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the new Yeah, new technique was the.
Speaker 4: Style at the time exactly. But there's a great I
Speaker 4: imagine he's on wires, a great shot in slow o
Speaker 4: where he's like spinning in the air. Yeah, and you
Speaker 4: could see it's his face, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: like this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? No, well, they're even more.
Speaker 1: I mean you see the speed ramping where it slows
Speaker 1: down and then speeds up. Mmm. Yeah, I remember seeing it,
Speaker 1: and and you know, I mentioned I went and saw
Speaker 1: this with my friend Javier at the at the videography studio,
Speaker 1: and he's like he used to edit like the the
Speaker 1: highlight tapes. He's like I'm going to try to do
Speaker 1: that that speed up, slow down stuff m hmm, into
Speaker 1: like wedding videos. I need you did a good job
Speaker 1: with it. He figure that. So this is back when
Speaker 1: you would like be key framing things and it's a
Speaker 1: whole different thing, you know. Yeah, that's funny. See these
Speaker 1: Annubis soldiers look kind of goofy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's funny some shots I feel like
Speaker 4: they look better than others, like they're actually, yeah, this
Speaker 4: looks a little goofy.
Speaker 1: Like when it was the.
Speaker 4: Wide shots, I was actually thinking, oh, wow, this is
Speaker 4: that's kind of impressive. But I guess when you get
Speaker 4: close to them and then when they start fighting them and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that when it comes to use of CGI, right,
Speaker 1: it's like too often it's oh, CGI allows us to
Speaker 1: create something that couldn't exist, And I think that's the
Speaker 1: mistake because if it couldn't exist, we sort of we
Speaker 1: recognize that and yeah, at a distance, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, so it should be done to allow
Speaker 1: you more more flexibility, but it should still be something
Speaker 1: that could conceivably believably be here. Yeah, no, I agree,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's sort of like an interstellar you
Speaker 1: had tars and and you know, the robots and Christopher
Speaker 1: like that could very easily have been CG. But Nolan
Speaker 1: was like, no, let's let's figure out a way to
Speaker 1: do it practically. Mm hmm. And there's just like one
Speaker 1: level of disbelief that we're able to get right past.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for all we know, there could be a
Speaker 4: number of shots where maybe it is exactly CG.
Speaker 1: But because he's.
Speaker 4: Established so many that we've seen that we know really happened,
Speaker 4: and McConaughey really touched it, you know, right, then we
Speaker 4: don't pay attention to that any longer.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, So I think what I see here,
Speaker 1: Like these things, these these Anubis soldiers look very silly
Speaker 1: when contrasted with our armies of of Medgai. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks kind of goofy, you know, like the way they
Speaker 1: just turn into a big thing of ash and then
Speaker 1: that ash disappears. I'm like, but that's not doesn't happen
Speaker 1: that way? Yeah, look at the speed ramping here. I
Speaker 1: don't even miss tell that much. I just remember a weird,
Speaker 1: stuttering looking shot. We'll see it in a second, I think,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 4: I do like that moment when a hero and a
Speaker 4: villain are fighting and then like a bigger threat appears
Speaker 4: to both of them and they have this moment where
Speaker 4: it's like, well, they have to put on their conflict.
Speaker 4: That's right, that doesn't look terrible. That's sand explosion stuff.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm thinking of the shot near the end
Speaker 1: where the whole horde just kind of disc.
Speaker 4: That shot is I remember that shot specifically because it
Speaker 4: doesn't look like that sand, that black sand element is
Speaker 4: actually in the environment.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's on top of the frame exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just they weren't there yet, so and maybe it
Speaker 1: was just lack of time. I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ah, she gets to use her her skill set that
Speaker 4: somehow she's been imbued with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hurt effertiery powers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see that, it's always like kind of it's always
Speaker 4: a bigger fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we need to see now now again. Obviously
Speaker 1: these effects are famously awful, But but you wonder what
Speaker 1: what would have prevented them from just getting Dwayne Johnson's
Speaker 1: top half and then compositing that into an effect like
Speaker 1: why would you think that you were able to pull
Speaker 1: this off?
Speaker 4: See this this wide shot? Then maybe you do the
Speaker 4: CGI guy. But then yeah, you get these close ups
Speaker 4: of him or something, you try to like mix. I
Speaker 4: mean that's why he famously Jurassic Park holds up so
Speaker 4: well because it's a combination, right, because he's got.
Speaker 1: The he's got the dead eyes. Yes, the eyes are
Speaker 1: just they're like a doll's eyes.
Speaker 4: See here, use use the rock here in this shot, right,
Speaker 4: and and you can add your CG extensions and things.
Speaker 4: But then when you do the wide and he's doing flips,
Speaker 4: are crawling up a wall.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of technology at the time, and I'm like
Speaker 1: that would have been perfectly fine, you know, a cromulent
Speaker 1: one might say, So it's weird, like were they just
Speaker 1: just like getting cocky like oh we got this.
Speaker 4: I don't know, or maybe they didn't have access to
Speaker 4: the rock.
Speaker 1: That's weird too, because it's like, well, universal, you don't
Speaker 1: sign him to a contract that allows for you know, reshoots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or maybe that's the thing they're like, oh no, no,
Speaker 4: we got this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three days in and out, you're good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now you have not seen Scorpion King. No, no, okay,
Speaker 1: you yeah, I saw it. I saw it Opening Night
Speaker 1: actually with Sean at remember in Chicago that it was
Speaker 1: that theater. It's like four Rivers or something like that.
Speaker 4: I remember the name.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it's near where a zero
Speaker 1: Gravity used to be.
Speaker 4: You remember zero Gravity.
Speaker 1: Are Chicago Land listeners are nodding their heads while everyone
Speaker 1: else is like the ho these guys talking about anyway,
Speaker 1: it's like kind of near there. So we went and
Speaker 1: saw it there. Yeah, And so twenty four years ago
Speaker 1: this last time I saw the Scorpion King.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, is any good? I mean even on like
Speaker 4: sort of like a B movie level.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's like, uh, it's
Speaker 1: paste and produced like a Hercules Legendary Journeys episode. I gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: But Dwayne Johnson is more charming than Kevin Sorbo. M
Speaker 1: sure this where that guy's like helped me and mo
Speaker 1: Tip is such a rat bastard. He's like why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's weird though?
Speaker 4: The way that he performs that, Yeah, he almost just
Speaker 4: seems like genuinely confounded why the person would ask him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of liked that, to be honest.
Speaker 4: Oh that's kind of funny. I was gonna say, it
Speaker 4: seems like you'd be a little more sinister or something.
Speaker 1: No, I like, he's like, okay, why yeah?
Speaker 4: Or is there even that? Like he genuinely is just
Speaker 4: like why well.
Speaker 1: I kind of like I like that this, this fricking
Speaker 1: guy thinks he's on the same level as my man
Speaker 1: m O Tep. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, and m O
Speaker 1: Tep don't share power with anybody.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm sorry to cut you off. That was that
Speaker 4: weird stutter thing, and I was like, why did they
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, it just happened. Yeah, but it didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: In service of anything like story or or I wonder.
Speaker 1: If it was like a post production like covering up
Speaker 1: a screw up type thing.
Speaker 4: Like someone elbowed the keyboard, like some few Frameston didn't
Speaker 4: realize it and they're like, oh, shoot, we already printed
Speaker 4: in the film.
Speaker 1: Something like that. Now this here, this little comic strip
Speaker 1: that Rick O'Connell discovers with the I'm like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to keep. I wanted like four more panels, yes, because
Speaker 1: it's like you then they opened the thing and it
Speaker 1: goes like this, and then you throw the thing and
Speaker 1: then it goes you know, and then it kills the scorping,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we need one more where the Scorpion
Speaker 1: King is on the ground and there's like ex's for
Speaker 1: his eyes and like the Medgi guys like jumping up
Speaker 1: and down in triumph, right right, you know, we could
Speaker 1: keep going. We can get like several more frames of it.
Speaker 1: That would be hilarious.
Speaker 4: And I'm like them on the plane with his family
Speaker 4: flying home, you know, over.
Speaker 1: The gravesite of the Scorpion King with with the scepter.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I'm like, Rick O'Connell's not an idiot, Like,
Speaker 1: I think we could have gotten him there with that
Speaker 1: with like half the frames, you know, totally.
Speaker 4: I think that was I read somewhere Even in the
Speaker 4: director's commentary, Stephen Summers said that the stone carving directions
Speaker 4: of how to kill the Scorpion King with the sceptor
Speaker 4: was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It feels like a studio note that went too far.
Speaker 4: Although there's a moment where Eve says something like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to put the spirit through the guy and
Speaker 4: it'll stop the army, and that you like, she explains everything,
Speaker 4: and honestly I was like, yeah, no, thank you. I
Speaker 4: think I knew that got it.
Speaker 1: We figured it out, Yeah, well she doesn't know. She
Speaker 1: just woke up from being dead, so maybe she doesn't
Speaker 1: know what. She doesn't know what Rick is caught up on.
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying I'll put myself on blast here. I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, thank you for the reminder. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't remember what's at stake care Like, I just.
Speaker 1: We really do need this. This is anticipating the Netflix
Speaker 1: era of people. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing. Sometimes you don't need it
Speaker 4: and it's insulting, and sometimes.
Speaker 1: It's okay to have a little bit of a recap.
Speaker 1: I think that's truly well, it's it's like the example
Speaker 1: you always use of in the Dark Knight Rises, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: the program with the thing that erases your identity, that thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, it's my favorite example of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, we got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah ah oh good thing they had that pointed away
Speaker 4: from them.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of in that vein. You know, Mulaney
Speaker 1: has that thing about about watching a special Victims Unit
Speaker 1: where Ice cubes character like they some character is like
Speaker 1: a pedophile and he's like, so you're telling me that
Speaker 1: this guy looks at pictures of kids and gets off
Speaker 1: right right right. Melandy's like, yeah, no, that's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pedophlex what it is? Yeah, we got it. See this
Speaker 1: right here the speed ramping, yeah yeah, yeah right, it
Speaker 1: slows down and then we get like hyper speeded up,
Speaker 1: and but they do that throughout the fight.
Speaker 4: When I associate that stuff with like Zack Snyder, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I know, I'm sure it happened before then,
Speaker 4: but like when.
Speaker 1: Was three X Snyder took it into overdrive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say for that effect.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, he kind of perfected it really Snyder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's total. This is sparta.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now here's my question. Those like dudes that are like
Speaker 1: in the ground there, those are all yeah right, like
Speaker 1: they're like I don't know what, what.
Speaker 4: Are they souls in hell or something?
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, what are they doing when the
Speaker 1: scorpion Kings NodD are like right now, they're like all
Speaker 1: riled up? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. But otherwise is
Speaker 1: it just like a really crowded night at the club.
Speaker 4: Right right, but you can never get the bartender's attention exactly. Hell,
Speaker 4: but see this, like that effect looks very much like
Speaker 4: just kind of slept on top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it has no bearing on them, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my man are at bay he got this.
Speaker 4: So this was two thousand and one. They were able
Speaker 4: to do whatever they were able to do. But I
Speaker 4: was thinking this moment reminded me so much of the
Speaker 4: end of Crystal Skull. Oh yeah, you know, where like
Speaker 4: the landscape is well, I guess I'm getting ahead of myself,
Speaker 4: but like sort of swirling and you know, coming apart.
Speaker 4: And for as much as I complain about that movie,
Speaker 4: I mean that effect looks incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that shot of like Indie in the
Speaker 1: corner of the frame and as you see the whole
Speaker 1: that's incredible.
Speaker 4: And you really I mean you know it's not real
Speaker 4: because whatever your brain, but like it looks really really
Speaker 4: good and him Yeah, just like it's like the camera
Speaker 4: can barely keep Indian frame as it's trying to capture
Speaker 4: the action, and that does such a great job of
Speaker 4: making you feel the scope.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, we don't really get that sense here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this feels like an early attempt at that kind
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 1: There's just too much a cgi flimflam. Yeah, you know. Now,
Speaker 1: now this piece here I really like where Rick tells
Speaker 1: ev hey get out of here, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. Meanwhile, m O Tip is like hey,
Speaker 1: come help me, and she's like peace out.
Speaker 4: I do love that where they just kind of look
Speaker 4: at him, because I wonder sometimes you have this instinct
Speaker 4: where it's like, well, even if you're the hero or
Speaker 4: you know that's the villain.
Speaker 1: You like kind of extend your hand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I was like, no, all the things he's done,
Speaker 4: like yeah, why would you let him back out?
Speaker 1: I agree? This stuff looks great though, this all stuff
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, yeah, see that's how much she loves that.
Speaker 1: She loves Rick. She runs across a collapsing thing to
Speaker 1: get him. Look at my man, tep.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is kind of strangely. I felt bad for
Speaker 4: him right that, the love of his life, he's like,
Speaker 4: he's like watching, like we get these shots of him
Speaker 4: observing this other loving couple helping each other. I know
Speaker 4: that he turns and looks at his the love of
Speaker 4: his life.
Speaker 1: Is so he's got tears in his eyes. I know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of said he just wanted companionship while he
Speaker 1: condemned the earth to colonels servitude under his boot heel.
Speaker 4: And murdered to be with her, and.
Speaker 1: And weirdly, like when when an Oxuna Moon gets swallowed
Speaker 1: up by the scorpions, there's a little party that's like yeah, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not for all the other horrible shit just because
Speaker 1: she abandoned Amo tep right, right, It's weird.
Speaker 4: This did remind me, speaking of Crystal Skull, of that
Speaker 4: oh yeah dance yep. I think this looks pretty good though,
Speaker 4: for you know, relatively for the era. Yeah, and in
Speaker 4: this film compared to I mean, we.
Speaker 1: Forget that the Third Mummy movie came out the same
Speaker 1: summer as Crystal Skull. Yeah, I remember. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the trailer for it in front of
Speaker 1: Crystal Skull. Oh really yeah, okay, yeah, because I obviously
Speaker 1: after that movie ended and we all had our you
Speaker 1: know process, you know, yeah, our moment. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: having that thought like does the Third Mummy movie look
Speaker 1: better than the fourth Indiana Jones movie? And in fact
Speaker 1: it didn't, so yeah, water found its level there too.
Speaker 1: But I remember having that thought, yeah, see this this
Speaker 1: all it doesn't make a lot of sense to me,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like just too much. I think
Speaker 1: the idea here is like, oh, it just goes back
Speaker 1: from whence it came, since the oasis sprang up because
Speaker 1: of the Scorpion Kings deal with Anubis. So of course
Speaker 1: now that the Scorpion King is dead, but like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you followed, but you know Rick kills
Speaker 1: the Scorpion King, and so because he kills the Scorpion King,
Speaker 1: you know, the army is his to commands, and he says,
Speaker 1: go back to Hell and take your friends with you.
Speaker 1: And that's why the army all disappears. But there's just
Speaker 1: so much going it's like too much. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do remember thinking I need to look this stuff
Speaker 4: up because I was like confused, why Emotep when he
Speaker 4: was going to spear the guy? I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: so why is that bad? I assume that gives him
Speaker 4: some power or something.
Speaker 1: Whoever kills him commands his army. Yeah, which again this
Speaker 1: goes to what I said before when we did our
Speaker 1: commentary for the first one, and we have the prologue
Speaker 1: showing what happens to m o Tep and you've got
Speaker 1: you know, our death bay is narration, Like, oh, but
Speaker 1: if he was ever brought back to life, then he
Speaker 1: would have power over all the elements and he would
Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the the invincibility and everything,
Speaker 1: like just this litany of horrible things.
Speaker 4: Right, he could do a mile in under four minutes.
Speaker 1: I basically, And I'm like, why don't you guys just
Speaker 1: kill him? Then? Like why maybe don't mum ify him alive?
Speaker 1: I remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah right, and so kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing with the Scorpion King, like like
Speaker 1: the whole notion of like why does he come back exactly?
Speaker 1: And what you know, and then the whole movie is
Speaker 1: like leading up to, Oh, when the Scorpion comes back,
Speaker 1: it is gonna be all kinds of hell to pay.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he goes out pretty easy, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: granted I wasn't getting tossed around by bym O tep
Speaker 1: and the lead up, but it seems like he goes
Speaker 1: down like a punk. That's me, Yeah, that's me. So again,
Speaker 1: where did he How did he fill this thing up? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It doesn't even look well, yeah filled it up? And
Speaker 4: then even just how did he how many nails did
Speaker 4: he have to put?
Speaker 1: That looks fine? Yeah? Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 4: By the way, have we talked about the fact that
Speaker 4: there was an animated TV series based on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we we mentioned at least in the first commentary.
Speaker 4: We mentioned it briefly, Okay, because I guess this, you know,
Speaker 4: dirigible or whatever is something to use in it, and
Speaker 4: so that led me down the path of the animated series.
Speaker 4: And basically the characters don't look like the actors because
Speaker 4: they didn't want to pay for their likenesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rick O'Connell is blonde, Evelyn is a redhead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: alex is American for some reason. M and it basically
Speaker 1: does its own like it. It creates a new backstory
Speaker 1: form o tep.
Speaker 4: Yes, because no adultery exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, oh, he tried to steal these
Speaker 1: scrolls and then you know or whatever, and he was mommified.
Speaker 1: And John Schneider is the voice of Rick O'Connell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Gray Delisle who is Daphne, and the she's the current
Speaker 1: voice of Afne. She's Evelyn. Ok yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: know voiced Jmo Tipmotep speaks English. I know that. And
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it lasted like two seasons actually,
Speaker 1: which is more than I would have expected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, saw Tom Kinney was in it, Yes.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so here we go. Mummy returns.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just last little bit of trivia had jotted down.
Speaker 4: So when it came out on DVD and VHS.
Speaker 1: Best selling DVD of all time.
Speaker 4: Of all time, two million copies sold in its first week.
Speaker 1: And and then like two weeks later, the Phantom Menace
Speaker 1: came out on DVD. That's right, and that took care
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 4: But it sold two point two million copies in its
Speaker 4: first week. So not by a ton I mean that
Speaker 4: is like equal footing there.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, this this, it's it outsold the Matrix,
Speaker 1: It outsold Gladiator, yeah, which is really nuts. I mean
Speaker 1: that certainly it tells you two things. First of all,
Speaker 1: how much primacy DVD had in people's lives. Oh man, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like people. I don't think people in twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: can fully understand that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how different it was before that and after and after. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a moment.
Speaker 1: It was a moment where people everybody would would buy movies.
Speaker 4: And not just like cinophiles, right exactly.
Speaker 1: You know if you were at Walmart, oh, here's DVD,
Speaker 1: let's get it, so you know, so you had the
Speaker 1: primacy of that format. But also, I mean this movie
Speaker 1: was kind of a phenomenon, you know, it was whatever
Speaker 1: gamble they thought the first one might have been, this
Speaker 1: one bore out, you know, the confidence they had, which
Speaker 1: makes it even more baffling that they waited seven years
Speaker 1: to do the next one. Mm. Yeah, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good point, right, Like you think they would have struck.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you needed to crank out three more
Speaker 1: of these in that time, but at least one, maybe
Speaker 1: two more. Yeah, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Brandon Fraser would have liked that. But I also
Speaker 1: suspect that part of the slowdown was because his career
Speaker 1: hit a bit of a rough patch, you know, doing
Speaker 1: stuff like Monkey Bone and whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't got it. I've never seen that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't seen it either, but I.
Speaker 4: Kind of want to, right just to see what a
Speaker 4: like a weird curiosity it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but uh also also weird. Uh No, no
Speaker 1: mid credits scene as we're conditioned to expect. Yeah, that's funny,
Speaker 1: after the title sequence and before the scroll. That's a
Speaker 1: really good point. There's no like Jonathan dusting off his
Speaker 1: jeans be like here it is, you know, like yeah, yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: here we go some mommy returns. What do you think, Brian,
Speaker 1: You know, I.
Speaker 4: Just didn't get endeared to these at the right moment. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I almost feel more like an observer with these films.
Speaker 4: I like the first one. I think the first one
Speaker 4: is a lot of fun. Like we were saying, it's
Speaker 4: a little more tactile. It feels a little bit more grounded,
Speaker 4: as fantastical as it is, and this one feels a
Speaker 4: bit like it drowns in its spectacle a bit. So
Speaker 4: I think it's fun to watch as it for me
Speaker 4: as an artifact from two thousand and one. It's fun
Speaker 4: to see, you know, the actors and the characters and stuff.
Speaker 4: But I just don't feel as much for it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: as I do, I don't enjoy it as much as
Speaker 4: the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you. I think of the Mummy
Speaker 1: trilogy up up to this point as one and a
Speaker 1: half good movies out of three.
Speaker 4: That's yeah. I mean I haven't seen a third one,
Speaker 4: but I bet I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, I think there's enough in this
Speaker 1: that I like to give it like a half score,
Speaker 1: but I just think it's just too much of everything.
Speaker 1: And I think too much of everything becomes numbing. Numbing exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just overwhelming. And it's you know, I think going
Speaker 1: smaller is better, but that wasn't the agenda, you know.
Speaker 1: I think Steven Summers went into this being like just bigger, bigger, louder,
Speaker 1: and well he certainly got that. Now I should say this,
Speaker 1: this song that's playing over these credits by Live, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty good song. Oh Forever may not be long enough.
Speaker 4: I I think I turned it off at this point.
Speaker 4: Now I'm kind of curious a lot. It's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice song, but it is weird in this.
Speaker 4: Movie, you know, Yeah, right right right.
Speaker 1: But I will say again, I think it has a
Speaker 1: terrific soundtrack. I listened to this album quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I think it's Sevestry. I love sevest Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: And and unlike with Jerry Goldsmith, Stephen Summers ended up
Speaker 1: really catching on with with his relationship with Aln Sylvestry
Speaker 1: because Silvestrie did he did Van Helsing and he did
Speaker 1: G I Joe and and say with You about those
Speaker 1: movies both have great scores, you know, So there we go. Hey,
Speaker 1: but hey, let us know your thoughts about the Bummy returns,
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Speaker 1: can I know, I know these movies have lots of fans.
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