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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,

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episode fifteen of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Buckler,

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joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. No, we were

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not giggling at how poorly the Clippers played last night.

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We were laughing because I was reminding Adam how good

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the mashed potatoes and gravy at l PLAYO. LOOKO are

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thank you for hanging out. If you're listening. We always

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appreciate that you can watch us at YouTube dot com

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Slash at Clippers podcast if you want some kind of

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laughs during this hellscape that is the Clipper season. We're

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gonna talk to CP three article. We're gonna talk about

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the Swell visit with Lawrence Frank. They apparently tried to

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play basketball last night and they have a hellish schedule

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on deck. But before we get into all of that, Adam,

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will how the heck are you fellas doing another day

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after the worst loss of the season. You know I'm

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doing all right.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised about the way this Chris Paul

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news is again sort of like making the rounds and

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sort of like re upsetting people when there's not really

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much of note new to add to this, and again

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a lot of this information seems like it's kind of

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coming from Chris's camp, so you know, take it all

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with a grand assault. But the bad vibes surrounding the Clippers,

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and I don't even mean the team personally, I mean

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in the way they're perceived, certainly the slant against them

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from a journalistic perspective, which started with Fablo Dori as

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it continued throughout this entire season. So not only do

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we have to suck shit as a basketball team, we

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also get every loser on the internet throwing tomatoes at

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us as well.

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Speaker 3: So it's good, it's good.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like the worst it's been since the

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previous owner press wise. Not comparing the two scenarios obviously,

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but press vibes, Adam.

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Speaker 3: What happened before?

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Speaker 1: Who when Oprah was the owinn? Or two was in

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the mix?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Adam? You're talking to the people of Clipper Nation a

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lot more than we are. How are you doing today?

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How was the Opo Loko?

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Speaker 4: I mean, things are so bad.

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Speaker 5: I had to disagree with agree with Matt Moore about

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something which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Whoa are there? Are there two sons? Are there two moons.

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Where are we?

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Speaker 5: It's episode episode four again two sons with Luke's in

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and out there of course family gets burned up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, things are bad.

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Speaker 5: Last night was bad and people are upset. I was

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confident going into last night. I gotta be honest. If

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you can't beat that Memphis team three days off at home,

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that's that's as good an opportunities you could have, especially

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if you just played as hard as you did the

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three prior games. You know, the three prior games, there

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was plenty of good process. They didn't show up at

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the very end of those games and had some real issues.

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But this game, they couldn't make it past six minutes.

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Like that six minutes was the maximum amount they could

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give you of decent basketball. Like they did not have

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one good quarter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean how many good quarters have they had

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all year? Can you count them on two hands? Six?

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Speaker 5: They recently they probably have had like ten because they

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could they will win the first three quarters multiple times

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they were good. So twelve, I mean, I know they

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went one and four on the trip, but we felt like, hey,

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there were some good signs, some good positive signs here,

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and last night there was nothing.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing. Do we what do we want to

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talk about in terms of the actual game last night,

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Zubots not ideal. Zubots was bad last night. Everyone was

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bad last night.

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Speaker 5: I think Zubots wasn't great in the first half. It's also, uh,

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if you have Kobe Brown out there and they are

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playing off of him like he's Russell Westbrook shooting threes

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or Draymond Green a couple of years ago, they were

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doubling Zoo like the entire time and he got six

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shots off, and I just I was shocked at how

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much Kobe Brown played.

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Speaker 1: The lineup that got demolished was Harden, Bogie, Jordan Miller,

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Kobe Sanders, Kobe Brown. That lineup I think gave up.

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Joey Linn put it out. He gave it was like

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eight straight buckets.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the third.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they thought that he got tired. I'm scoring all

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those baskets.

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Speaker 1: And I say this as someone who at one point

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was like Kobe Brown, maybe there's something there. Uh, the

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shooting was an anomaly. Missoo that one year he shot good,

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one year from three and it hasn't come back. Foot

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speed isn't there. Again, this is not all on Kobe Brown.

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By Tyler was crazy.

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Speaker 2: If they had, but just like trying to throw anything

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Speaker 3: Though at this point, I think.

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Speaker 4: Sure we've seen some of it.

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Speaker 5: If they had Niko Batouma last night, Kobe Brown might

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not even play.

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Speaker 4: Probably didn't play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call.

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Speaker 5: That up ended lineups. But I still felt like I

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would have rather tried Lopez. I would have tried Kobe

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Sanders for more time. I'm not worried about Santi al

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Dama posting him up like he's not his game.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a little baffling.

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Speaker 5: But I get it you want to have some more

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size out there, but not really because we've seen it.

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I know he had been playing the last couple of games.

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It seemed to be a matchup thing, but he was

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out before that.

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Speaker 1: I just need with no Batoum available, and like to

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your point, like, couldn't we try what's what's two minutes

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of brook lob has looked.

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Speaker 5: Like after Kobe Brown missed the first four to three

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pointers he took.

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Speaker 4: I would have tried it, but I think he started

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to all six to me outside.

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Speaker 1: Shoot or shoot dude. The intensity. I mean, our bench

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got out scored again? How many times this year, has

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our bench been outscored by one other guy on the

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other team's bench.

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Speaker 3: Well, according to John Collins, not possible.

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Speaker 1: Right, we'll talk about that. Spencer went off talking a

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bunch of shit, as you should if you're shooting that well,

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Will how much are you reading into the no postgame

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from Kawhir Harden.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a bad look at home.

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Speaker 1: Mm. I think that's fair. I think on the road

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it's a little more. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, Adam.

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Speaker 4: I don't love it.

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Speaker 5: I saw at the end of the first half James

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Harden was dribbling out the clock. End of the second quarter,

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he gave it up to Kobe Brown on the left

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wing with like two seconds left for a grenade. Kobe

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Brown gave it back to him, he shot I think

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an air ball, and Kawhi is on the floor and

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he looked over as they're walking into the tunnel, like

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what just happened there? So I'm sure neither guy was

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very happy last night. I'm not saying they were upset

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with one another.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, hard to be happy at whatever. I rex six

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and twenty Yeah, you're in twenty six, like and Harden

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had the contusion in his calf, but he played. I

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don't know that contributed to anything. Just a rough night,

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and it's just kind of every single game of watching

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the Clippers kind of felt like yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I thought yesterday it was easily a new low because

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the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Will happened those We've had so many of those this year.

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Speaker 5: I know. But the Minnesota and Houston game, there was

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real progress. The game where they're tied at ninety eight

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in Memphis with four minutes left and they just can't score,

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there was progress. Last night, they got blown out in

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the second half at home to a Memphis team that

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didn't even have Zach Edy.

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Speaker 4: Joe was bad out there.

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Speaker 5: Cam Spencer had confidence because I think he went six

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of six against them last time.

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Speaker 1: And he's been hot, like almost yeah, like.

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Speaker 4: He shooting like sixty from three the last ten games.

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Speaker 1: But and they were losing him. That was the other part.

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We're losing Pat Spencer on the perimeter, and it's like, guys,

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that's the guy.

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Speaker 5: Don't go underscreens against a shooter like that. He also

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had a couple of ridiculous shots, but you know, that's

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part for the course against Clippers, somebody's going to do that.

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The shooting against them has been crazy, even Bumpet, Well,

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it's the defense. There are times where we're seeing some

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crazy shooting, but I guess if it keeps happening, it's

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it's more so than an outlier, it's a trend.

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Speaker 1: There's no fear. There's no fear for this.

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Speaker 4: Like they're wearing no fear shirts out there on the.

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Speaker 1: Corner, like this defense like no part of this team

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or you like, oh no, like they kicked it into gear.

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Speaker 5: Kawhi starts fast. He had seven points in the first

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quarter and got five shots right away, but then pretty

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much cooled off and didn't exactly have pedal to the

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medal with his offense, even though he's playing more minutes

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now and is off the restriction. In the last two games,

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James Harden kind of looked like a show of himself.

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Did Kobe Brown get up more shots than him in

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the game yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Miles Harden was hurt. That's what's so frustrating too.

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Speaker 4: It's like, no, I know, that was the reason.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, so, yeah, where are they going

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to fear when they can just double zubas the entire

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time they don't have Zach Edie and Zubos gets up

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six shots against that Memphis team.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if you can double zoo in, the Clippers offense

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can't create anything.

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Speaker 3: It's uh just lights out.

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Speaker 5: That's honestly one of the most frustrating things. Coach Lee

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was asked about it post game by Lot Murray about

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zoom only getting six shots. He's like, well, did you

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watch through doublin And he's right, I'm also thinking, how

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are they not getting anything more out of this? Well,

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the main reason is because Kobe Brown was out there

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and like, that's your open shot.

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Speaker 4: They're left right.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like when Dunn gets the open threes,

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that is who is getting the shot there. The defense

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is playing so that guy gets the shot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was even more extreme, Like this was more

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extreme than Shengoon.

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Speaker 5: Sagging off of Dunn in Houston. What they were doing

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to Kobe Brown. There was zero respect out there. It

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was total Russell Westbrook treatment. Oh and by the way,

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who is available for trade the Clippers now?

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Speaker 4: Who? The Clippers now are giving up.

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Speaker 5: The highest percentage from three in the league.

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Speaker 4: Teams are shooting thirty nine percent.

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Speaker 1: Number one, number one.

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Speaker 4: Some would say thirty.

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Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, well I'm sortin by a different matter.

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I'm looking at different numbers I think. Sorry, I just

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had a weird look on my face because Rachel Nichols

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just tweeted out, Oh, do we have anything else we

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want to say about the game?

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Speaker 3: Just will thoughts.

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Speaker 5: The fans were upset. The environment was not great last night.

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You know when they cheered the most, it was on

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effort plays. There was a plan in the first half

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where they got three straight offensive rebounds and eventually Kawhi

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hit a jumper and the crowd got into it because

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they loved seeing that effort from them.

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Speaker 4: But outside of that, there wasn't a lot to cheer for.

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Speaker 1: Story of the twenty five twenty six Clippers. So Rachel

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Nichols just tweeted out, I don't know why. Like Adam,

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Silver says he's spoken to Chris Paul since the Clippers

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asked him to leave the team and is dismayed for

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everyone involved. Silver says he hoped CP three plays for

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another team this season so we can finish out his

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retirement year. Silver and Paul have a very friendly personal

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relationship and work closely together for years. When Paul was

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the president of the Players Association. The man is a

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master politician. He is one of the most point guards

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of all time, and he is one of the best

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politic politicians who've ever played the game.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say too, like to Adam's point, he's you know,

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said this. Throughout this Christ Baul thing, the Clippers knew

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all this, you know, when they came to make this decision,

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how bad it was going to look, and how you know,

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like Chris Paul would be able to align himself with

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all the you know, major factors in the league.

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Speaker 3: And they still opted to move forward with it.

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Speaker 1: So that might give you.

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Speaker 2: A like a little bit if you're thinking critically, if

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you even have your your.

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Speaker 3: Half cap on an insight into how things were going

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internally there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, their only chance winning this PR battle was winning

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and they're now one in five since CP three has

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left one in four, one in five. If they were

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actually winning games, some people might go, oh, I guess,

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I guess, you know, alleviate some of the pressure and

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guys are playing loose out there, and it hasn't worked obviously,

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But they also made it clear they didn't have a

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losing record because of CP three. They weren't scapegoating him.

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That wasn't the issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I thought La Clippers film had a nice

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kind of tweet summation of the article that came out.

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He said, what happens when you signed Chris Paul as

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the Patty Mills replacement and then he outperforms that role

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in camp? And Robert Floum kind of said, like him

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playing better gave him more influence, which made the benching

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so much, you know, messier to go through. It feels

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like the marketing aspect of the Clippers one here, but

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it turned out horribly Like it's a great pr move

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to have CP three on the team if he's down

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to be in the Patty Mills role, but he wasn't.

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And then it kind of oscillated and we get and

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again I'm not like CP three has there's a lot

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of PROP three, you know, like, but I don't think.

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Speaker 2: This even comes down to just roll because even in

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the argument, like in the ESPN article, which was very

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favorable to Chris Paul, I mean they talked about the

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way that he was like speaking to some of the coaches,

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uh and and you know, talking on like talking about

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how things should be made and and like they even

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mentioned in the article, which again is very favorable to

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Chris Paul, how there were multiple talks between the coaching

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staff and the front office about there are better ways

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to phrase this, like this is how this is kind

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of being perceived by some of the people's staff and

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players included. Uh, and maybe there's a way to be

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less divisive with some of these comments.

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Speaker 1: And that's what frustrat That adds to kind of my

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frustration because I'm like, everyone knows who Chris Paul is,

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everyone knows what his style of but like, that doesn't

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mean you get to do I'm not excusing his behavior.

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I'm more upset that the Clippers were like, what's he doing? Doctor?

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It hurts when I do this, don't do that.

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Speaker 5: They thought it wasn't going to happen because they were

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going to be good, and if they were good, when

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he would have cured all in this situation. They weren't,

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and neither was he despite looking good, yes in preseason

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and I guess a training camp, but WHOA for those

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wondering why he was getting dnps like he started off

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one of five, all one, two of four, oh two,

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one of four.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't playing well out there at all.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't move. Early in the season, it was dribble.

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It was dribble up, turn your back to the defender

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right at half court, and then we're kind of in

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this like, well, shit, like what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: The defensive end of the ball was a major weak point,

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like for the for the team in general, So it

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makes sense to slim that sort of rotation for Aguard.

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Speaker 5: Like that, Hey, he couldn't get the ball into the

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frontcour fast enough. He couldn't guard on the other end.

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I love CB three, but everybody was going, wow, this

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is not what we expected or what we saw last season.

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So if anybody scratched in their head, well why was

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he getting DNPS?

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Speaker 4: I think there was some reason for that.

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Speaker 5: But if that was, if that was the initial issue

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in him not signing up for this, they well they

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thought you also were going to look as you did

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last season and they had to try something else. And

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they made it clear at the press conference that he

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is a reserve guard, that that was the verbiage reserve guard.

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Speaker 1: And a really good tweet when this and he got

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signed where he broke down. Let me see if I

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can find it. He had a really good breakdown of

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like basically, here we go. Yeah, okay. Law Murray tweeted

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it was a minute ago. Bradley Beal replaces Norm Powell,

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John Collins replaces a Mere Coffee, Brook Lopez replaces Ben Simmons,

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Chris Paul replaces Patty Mills fully healthy roster. That is

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what the breakdown was, and I believe that Obviously that's

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a lot guessing, but if you look at that personnel,

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that is what he was brought in for. I will

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say I don't know if this part was trued out

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of the article. I respect Chris Paul forgetting trying to

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get to the team, to get to some borderline wacky outings. Yes,

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I appreciate that I have been preaching bowling or paintball

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or something. He did a birthday party. Not a lot

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of people showed up from the team showed up Halloween party, buddy.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated that question. This is the biggest part of

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the article that I had an issue with. Do we

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think the bench was killing the starters in practice? Per

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John Collins, we were kicking the starter's ass. I do

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not believe that that happened to that extent. They said

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repeatedly in the article, and I'm like, well, I'll tell

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you what, Robin Lopez or whoever was out there, is

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the backup five, maybe bring some of that energy to

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the actual basketball court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just echoes of like what we

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heard in training camp that Brook Lopez was the best

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looking guy.

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Speaker 3: Here's the most surprising guy. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were routinely beating the clip the

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starters in practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they were, it was because guys were

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playing their way into shap.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, so maybe they were in the team.

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That's just indicative how shitty the team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's the what's the significance of that?

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Speaker 5: We saw what happened in the regular season, and the

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bench has been really bad, hasn't been good.

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Speaker 1: With the starters either. Like it's like, again, bring some

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of that mentality to to playing with the guys.

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Speaker 4: Like just that.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised cons went on record in this and I

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think it's a I think it's an embarrassing look.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a weird look.

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Speaker 5: I was even wondering was that a quote from something

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we missed in training camp that was pulled back then?

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Speaker 4: Because they're clearly they're clearly.

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Speaker 5: Pulling the quote from Collins over the weekend saying that

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it's a lot quieter last week. It's been a lot

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quieter since three is gone. We all saw that video.

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Was this something that he said back when it happened

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and that, and it's so weird, was you know what

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was the context?

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Speaker 1: And he was awake for this guy. So there's a

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connection with those two there. So it's like when when

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he said that like it was quieter today, I interpreted

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that as like, oh, John Collins is probably getting yelled

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at by Chris Paul for his defense. Don't necessarily disagree

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with Chris Paul there, but now it's like, what, like again,

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this adds to kind of like just the shroud of

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what the hell is going on to the entirety of

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the Clipper season right now? No one is on the

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same page about anything.

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Speaker 5: The quieter thing, you know that video is out there

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is the other one out there about them kicking their

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ass in training camp like when it happened in training camp, right,

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I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what does it matter?

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Speaker 5: Like I'm honestly I love CP three, Yeah, I love

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CP three. Uh, this situation is really unfortunate and everybody's

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gonna be leave who.

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Speaker 4: They want to believe, which is three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, most people are gonna side with CP three because

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they're down on Coach Lou and they're down on Lawrence

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Frank right now, I don't know why we got to

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take sides, right. I would love if he came out

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and spoke about it, if the Clippers said came out

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and said more about it, I'd be more interested in

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that than another article like this, which, as Will said,

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was favorable towards CP three.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to get anything from the Clippers fo,

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because they're not going to throw them this ball out

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of the damn bus after all of them.

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Speaker 2: Because that, like that, that's even worse. Like that, that

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makes it even worse. You already have a season where

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you've done nothing to really gain the benefit of the

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doubt for you know, like getting anyone's good graces, like

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the one sort of uh you know, move outside of

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like the hope of the team obviously just performing well

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was sort of this like retirement story amid the the

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other ship storm of stuff surrounding the organization. And so no,

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you can't do that, like that's only gonna make it worse.

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And you know, I went back to this when we

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you know, when the when they first sent him home.

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It's like this team, while they're losing this much, there

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is nothing that they can do right, Like, truly, the

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only thing they can do right is try to spring

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a couple wins together. Like addressing the situation further or

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throwing Chris Paul under the bus further isn't gonna help anything.

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Speaker 5: Like they want to have a relationship with him moving forward.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna retire his jersey. It should be like.

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Speaker 2: They would retire as jersey. Can you can you imagine

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Chris Paul retired and not like the Clippers not having his.

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Speaker 3: Jersey retired at some point, that would be insane.

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Speaker 1: Thunder Will put it up just to piss off the

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Clippers first.

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Speaker 3: It's unconscionable.

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Speaker 1: It's bad. Anything else on this before we get to

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Lawrence Frank's talk with the Swell, I'll tell you what.

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I hope it's not a part too tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: It just stinks, man, And.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. Picking sides helps nothing in this scenario.

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It just sucks. Ass We can all admit that it's

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gross and it sucks. That's really how I just feel disappointed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 5: It's real civil war house divided type vibes here, and

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I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Captain American and iron Man fighting. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Who's who? Because wait, I was on iron Man's side,

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and I think the particular fight you're talking about. I'm

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not even a nerd like that, but I know what

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fight you're talking about, and I'm on iron man'side.

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Speaker 5: I'd have to watch it again. Only saw it once.

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It had Black Panthers premiere, which was awesome.

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Speaker 1: So pregame, Lawrence Frank met with the swell. We asked

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people on Twitter how this went. I was looking at

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the LA Clippers subreddit, which is not as unhinged as

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I thought it would be. We got a couple of tweets.

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He just summarized the season up until that point, briefly

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went over the CP three situation, the Blake trade, and

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answered questions. Lawrence Frank kept blaming himself. But other than that,

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nothing new that we haven't heard before, just you know not.

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I don't know how else it was gonna go other

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than corporately smooth, right, Like, no one's gonna get up

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there and grab the mic and be like, what the

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fuck are you doing right? Because that would not help

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anything or get you an answer, and we're just like

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kind of in an age where a team this big

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isn't going to really.

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Speaker 4: Have like.

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Speaker 1: You know, like what are you really getting out of this?

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Speaker 3: This was a huge nothing like fake gesture support.

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Speaker 2: Not that they you know, like not that it's up

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to Lawrence Frank to give anything to the fans or

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anything like that, but this to me just struck me

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as just a sort of like we talked about it yesterday,

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like one of those kind of like hollow corporate.

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Speaker 4: Sures that never like who else has done this before? Though,

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like when does happen? Yeah, it's I'll give him credit

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for that. He stood there.

476
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Speaker 5: Apparently somebody called in from the Swell post game and

477
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was like I was there.

478
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,519
Speaker 1: It was him like under the basket and everyone around him.

479
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,480
So like the setting was pretty cool. You'll never like.

480
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: Pollotories that it looked like a video for like lords

481
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Frank raised thirty Clippers fans like one of those.

482
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,799
Speaker 1: I will say should have sat on the chair backwards.

483
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: Sure that would have.

484
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, should have dangerous mind, you know.

485
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Speaker 5: The question is is it really worse than not doing

486
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,160
it with how many people have been outraged. Yeah, I

487
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400
don't think so. It sounded like the person who called

488
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,079
in it's just one. I don't know how many people

489
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,480
were there, but uh, they seem to be appreciative enough.

490
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,480
The one thing they said that he mentioned that I

491
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,720
kind of raised an eyebrow to I get it. But

492
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,640
he talked about, you know, they believe the pace can

493
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,640
slow down in the playoffs and that this team could

494
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:15,599
be better in the playoffs. Like I'm just I'm relaying

495
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,039
what I heard from this person. So it's you know,

496
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440
second hand, third hand information here if they could get

497
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,720
into a playoff series. But as I mentioned last week,

498
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if the best case to.

499
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Speaker 2: Watch from home when they slows down, they won't be confused.

500
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 5: Well, I guess there was a question about this older

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,160
team and that was it was something along those lines.

502
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,759
You know, they still believe in this group they can

503
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,039
turn around, hence why they haven't made a move yet.

504
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:49,359
So what you're thinking, Well, I guess I feel like

505
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:52,640
long term it could still work in a playoff series.

506
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480
My point would be at best, right now, it looks

507
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,799
like the endgame is you get okay see in a

508
00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:58,640
first round series.

509
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Speaker 4: Because Twitter they're gonna be.

510
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: In that they look, they'll look.

511
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:12,759
Speaker 1: Were so tired from winning sixty eight games a couple.

512
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,559
Speaker 5: They might take the last three weeks off. Yeah, if

513
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,319
they getting cruise control mode. Okay, up the breaks before

514
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,640
the playoffs and start resting all kinds of guys.

515
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Well, the Clippers are gonna I don't know.

516
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,279
Speaker 4: Again, I didn't hear the I didn't hear the thing.

517
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,279
It was just someone calling over the swell.

518
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,839
Speaker 1: The Clippers are gonna have to win another nine out

519
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,119
of ten games to make the play in Probably it's

520
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,000
kind of where we're at. It'll be like last year,

521
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,799
but not for an actual playoff seed.

522
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: There are four games out right now. Yeah, they got

523
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,480
going to run at some point.

524
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great segue. We're going to talk about

525
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,319
the next three games coming up, which if there was

526
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,759
ever a time to make a run and change some opinion,

527
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,599
it's against these opponents. If you're listening, there's gonna be

528
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:56,559
a quick audio break. If you'd like to watch us,

529
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,799
you can find us at YouTube dot com. Slash at

530
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:03,160
Clippers podcast coming up, just talking three games of hell

531
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,319
and then maybe some personnel changes in three to one.

532
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, into cliffs and div Thank you

533
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,200
so much for listening or for watching whoever you're consuming this.

534
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,559
Speaker 3: We know it's been hard.

535
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: We talked about some of the difficulties, obviously disappointing performance

536
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,000
against the Grizzlies, more to the CP three saga that

537
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,000
we kind of thought was resolved, as well as Horance

538
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,599
Frank's meeting with the Swell. But now it's time to

539
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,839
look ahead to even more hell, which is the Clippers

540
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:37,640
next three opponents they take on Okay, see the Lakers

541
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,279
and then the Rockets. Folks, Is this about as bad

542
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,680
of a three games stretch as it.

543
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:47,119
Speaker 3: Could get for this team right now?

544
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,279
Speaker 2: Not only because of the difficulty of opponents, but you

545
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,400
have all conference and even a divisional rivalry hanging in

546
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,039
the balance.

547
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,279
Speaker 1: You know, the season has been so bad. I haven't

548
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:01,680
even thought of even process that we're not going to

549
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,119
win the PACTV this year by Larry O'Brien. But I

550
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:17,119
would like to see them maybe win one. I don't know, like.

551
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: I liked it. That's where we're at. I'd like to

552
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,640
see them. Yes, that's how I think.

553
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 1: Of these three.

554
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: Man beat the Lakers, beat the Lakers on Saturday.

555
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,079
Speaker 1: Please yeah, I'll tell you what. I don't like our

556
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,519
chances we see. I think the Lakers.

557
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,519
Speaker 3: Talking that one up as a hell yeah.

558
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers provide the best option at going

559
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,279
one to two or this stretch.

560
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: The Lakers have not been playing great basketball. The record

561
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,079
is definitely inflated. They're nine and zero in clutch time.

562
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,000
They keep winning every close game. Uh, Luca hasn't looked

563
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,920
great as of late.

564
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: It's if you're gonna turn around the season, beat the

565
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:12,680
damn Lakers starts there. Beat Okay, see it would be nice,

566
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,279
but yeah, that's gonna be pretty tough since they just

567
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,039
lost to San Antonio and the Cup and uh, they're

568
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:19,400
probably pretty upset about.

569
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,039
Speaker 1: It or even not a gambling podcast in any way,

570
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,240
But I want to see the spread on that game.

571
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 5: Uh. I wonder how hard you know how Harden is

572
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
feeling after playing?

573
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: Should you just rest him a game?

574
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:39,839
Speaker 1: He can't? That's the thing. It's like, how do you

575
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960
arrest James Harden because it seems like Ty says it

576
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,559
all the time?

577
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,319
Speaker 4: You hide his helmet.

578
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: An article that I didn't like, Ramona talked about the

579
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:02,599
lack of a leap and I think that is disingenuous

580
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,440
because of how often we've heard guys talk about James

581
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,319
Harden specifically being this team. I thought that. I was like,

582
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,319
we have guys on record talk games, setting up workouts,

583
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,440
like off he's in and like all that kind of stuff.

584
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,880
That part kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

585
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: Also, can I just say this, If Chris.

586
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,839
Speaker 2: Paul is this great leader that everyone in the locker

587
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880
room loves so much, why is he on a different

588
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,599
team every year?

589
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,519
Speaker 3: People love this, If people love that, if people are begging.

590
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,319
Speaker 2: For this leadership in the locker room and they love

591
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,960
it so much, why is he on a fucking different

592
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,079
team every single year?

593
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 4: I think it's fair.

594
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:48,279
Speaker 5: Why even in his prime, did guys get worn out

595
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,160
playing next to him, even when he could drag you

596
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,079
along for victories. I just keep going back to the

597
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,000
picture he takes on the Zoom call with DJ and Blake.

598
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,279
It's like, great, wish you guys were this cool back

599
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,640
when you were playing together. I'm glad it's working out now.

600
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,200
I don't know, it's just.

601
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,799
Speaker 4: The one sidedness of what we're getting right now.

602
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,599
Speaker 1: Which is all we'll get. That is all we're gonna get.

603
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,519
Don't if you're listening, Like, if you think that the

604
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,480
if you think the front office was totally one hundred

605
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,519
percent in the right, which I don't think either side

606
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,599
is one hundred percent in the right in this scenario

607
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,200
at all, you're not going to get anything. You're not

608
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,759
going to get a press release from Lawrence Frank apologizing

609
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,960
or like detailing situations that's just not That would be

610
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
so much worse for the Clippers. And we've already talked

611
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,640
about if they were like started some kind of weird

612
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:41,519
pissing contest with CP three.

613
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,599
Speaker 4: I guess still technically.

614
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 5: I guess Lawrence Frank was pressed about the CP three

615
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:53,240
stuff at the meeting yesterday with the Swell, and it was,

616
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,640
you know, he knew people were wondering why he had

617
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,519
to go in the middle of the night, and he's like,

618
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,839
he knew about the meeting. We met for three hours.

619
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,680
You know, it wasn't something where this came out of nowhere.

620
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,319
They had been meeting along the way, So I don't

621
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,079
know how it could be that much of a shock.

622
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,359
He apologized. Another report the same Ramona Shelburne report, this

623
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,119
time confirming the report from Lou Williams that he apologized

624
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,039
to the team at one point. You can look at

625
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,839
that two different ways. That's a great gesture from CP three.

626
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,720
It also is confirming obviously he was rubbing some guys

627
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,839
the wrong way to feel like he had to apologize

628
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
at some point. So, like Chuck said, there's blame to

629
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,440
go around.

630
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,079
Speaker 2: There's a quote in that very article from an unnamed

631
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,119
GM who said that Chris Paul was a pain in

632
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,039
the ass to deal with when he was a great player,

633
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,920
and he's no longer a great player. Look at how

634
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
the relationships ended at every stop when Chris Paul was

635
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,000
in his prime.

636
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,839
Speaker 3: Look at how it ended with the Clippers. Look how

637
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,119
it ended with the Rockets, Look how it ended with

638
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:55,960
the Suns.

639
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,759
Speaker 2: Like, I just don't know what we're doing here. I

640
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,680
don't know how, I don't know how some of this

641
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,400
stuff is. How we're believing this this singular.

642
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: Narrative rights other than Chris Paul. Do we think any

643
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,920
personnel changes are coming? Ramona said the Clippers aren't ready

644
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,320
to pull the plug on Harden and Kawhi. I think

645
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,519
that makes sense. If you're getting negative trade value from

646
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,559
either of those guys, why would you try and trade them?

647
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,239
But like wind Horse also said, today during like a

648
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,199
Q and a on, I think Twitter or blue Sky

649
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,519
or something that zubots is absolutely not available. I don't

650
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,000
know how much to read into that, but do we

651
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,039
what changes? They said they kind of want to make

652
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,440
some changes and try and be competitive. Like Adam talked about,

653
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,639
like what do we the Kings are available, everyone on

654
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,360
the Kings rosters available, do we do something trying to

655
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,679
get Keon Ellis like.

656
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: I've been bringing them up for a while.

657
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,679
Speaker 1: I like, Keon, Yeah, what's your what are your what's

658
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,519
your favorite? Kaminga trade package right now?

659
00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: Adam, what does he make it? It's like twenty four

660
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,199
twenty five, let me and he is.

661
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I don't think it's gone very well.

662
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,159
It seems like.

663
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: No, the last month has been bad.

664
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 5: He started off hot and now it's the same old thing.

665
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Warriors fans are mad at Steve Kerr he's a anga.

666
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,559
Speaker 1: And then next year is twenty four and it's a

667
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:23,159
club option.

668
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 5: John Collins makes close to that. I don't know how

669
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
they feel about that.

670
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, how much how do we

671
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,360
feel about the future of John Collins, for the future

672
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,599
of Jonathan Kamingia.

673
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: Well, Comingia is like six years younger, so I.

674
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a lot.

675
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: I forget that he's like twenty four. Joseph ran Ward

676
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,159
has been.

677
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: Said, but what about twenty twenty seven?

678
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,599
Speaker 1: Adam, everyone's gonna.

679
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 5: Be a contract is fine.

680
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: I am as I've been saying for weeks.

681
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 5: I'm fine with any move that does not hurt them

682
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,119
with their salary cap situation and how clean the books

683
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:09,320
will be in twenty twenty seven.

684
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 4: I Chuck posted something earlier? Or were you saying?

685
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,199
Speaker 5: Chuck?

686
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: We kind of went back and forth on X.

687
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean you were right, I very much.

688
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 3: I was.

689
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: I was being crazy. I had to clarify it.

690
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: I said those nuance here.

691
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: I said, what does a trade look like for this

692
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,599
Clippers team? Probably set them up to follow the clear

693
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,079
cap plan and maybe get some picks back. A trade

694
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,360
to make them better this season with a thirty percent

695
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,199
run weight would be insanity. Then I clarified, I said,

696
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,519
a substantial trade to make them better would be insanity

697
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,760
because I don't we're not making noise in the playoffs.

698
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,760
We might not even make the playoffs. And if you're

699
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,480
trading key guys, basically, I think, Adam, we're saying a

700
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,119
similar thing, like any trade that ruins the cap space

701
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,280
I don't like because there's not a lot of guys

702
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,679
right now who anyone who's available, who's making that much

703
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,039
money that far in the future, probably not playing very good.

704
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,079
Speaker 4: I'd like to clarify something. I keep hearing this stupid.

705
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 5: Shit like who really gonna get is a freation? Nobody's

706
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,480
gonna come here, guys, you can. I don't think people

707
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,519
realize they have two first round picks. They can trade now,

708
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,440
you can trade and absorb someone into cap space. As

709
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,760
the years go along, they are going to continue to

710
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,039
open up cap space. And people don't want to hear

711
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,159
about twenty twenty seven. It's a year and a half away.

712
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,639
It's a year and a half away. It is not

713
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,280
that far. While you're all doing the whole bit. I

714
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,679
can't believe how fast this year went. Well, guess what.

715
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,199
Twenty twenty seven is a year and a half away.

716
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,159
Guess what I'm not saying. You know, I want to

717
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:50,119
see the Clippers completely, you know, win twelve games like

718
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,199
they did one season back in the day. Like somebody

719
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,079
told me earlier today, they're on pace to have their

720
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:54,760
worst season ever.

721
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: It's like the worst season ever. They lost seventy games.

722
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,320
I don't think that's happening. But you know this, this

723
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,159
franchise is.

724
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: Don't clip this, please don't clip this.

725
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,159
Speaker 5: I mean, I keep hearing there's no direction. There's no direction.

726
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,559
It's like there is a direction. They wanted to have

727
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,239
a two timeline thing where they could win now like

728
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920
they did last season, winning fifty games, while maintaining all

729
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,960
that cap space.

730
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 4: For the future.

731
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 5: They were achieved right last season, they well overachieved. This season,

732
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:38,280
they well underachieved. But they are at least achieving that

733
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,679
one goal of calf space still and that has yet

734
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,960
to be compromised. And that's the one thing I would

735
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,000
not compromise in a trade. Now, if you're just trading

736
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,440
out expiring deals for expiring deals, I'm fine with that,

737
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,400
just to switch things up and get a different look

738
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,880
and maybe a squad that, you know, the fan base

739
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,159
can get behind more so than they are right now

740
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,559
with this current crew, because I've seen a lot of

741
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,239
people say that, you know, they don't like the way

742
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,440
they play out there, they don't like their style of play,

743
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,239
all these different things. It's one thing to lose, it's

744
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,199
another to also hate the style of play and the

745
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,320
type of losses we're.

746
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,079
Speaker 4: Enduring right now.

747
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 5: So maybe they make some lateral moves just to shake

748
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,480
things up with the roster. I don't know, but I'm

749
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,679
for anything that does not compromise future cap space.

750
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:30,519
Speaker 2: A second, that is doing let's let's sound and wave

751
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:31,199
tow again.

752
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: Come on, Honestly, that would actually probably be a great

753
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,920
move for the Clippers pr if they brought back.

754
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,079
Speaker 5: And I have a lot of time believing if you

755
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,360
guys heard the same that well, because they did CP

756
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,679
three like this, no superstars are going to come here.

757
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna come here.

758
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,679
Speaker 5: I heard the exact same thing for Blake like a

759
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,239
year before Kawhi came here. Guys, they will take the money,

760
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,199
they will take La, they will take Balm, or they

761
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,119
will take into it do and they have a one

762
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:01,840
of selling points still.

763
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not playing at the goddamn sports arena.

764
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:13,159
Speaker 5: Like but yeah, things are bad right now aside from

765
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,840
my cell job there.

766
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,679
Speaker 1: You're a teacher, I totally agree. But I don't know, man,

767
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,519
if we trade for DeMar de Ros and will be

768
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,119
upset because that does not help the style of play.

769
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,079
Speaker 4: What are they trading? Like, No, let me know what

770
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,400
the trade is, and I'll tell you if I'm gonna

771
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,639
be upset. How could you be that up?

772
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,519
Speaker 5: They're six and twenty. How could you be that upset

773
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:37,920
with any trade right now?

774
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: I just don't want to watch them play basketball on

775
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,320
this team, is why it's selfish. I just don't want

776
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,760
to watch demardar Roze play basketball on this team.

777
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 5: But if you trade, this team will look different because

778
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,679
you're giving things up. Like I I'm just very open

779
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,519
to anything right now because it's been so bad so far.

780
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: Where are you at?

781
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 5: Maybe be care what you wish for, but how much

782
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,039
worse can it get?

783
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Well? Have you seen some of the trades? Josephry Ward is.

784
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,559
Speaker 4: Love Joseph put it on the screen.

785
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: We're talking night. We're talking a whole whole new rotation, dude,

786
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:21,800
we're talking guys out night, guys out. Sorry, all right,

787
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,119
I don't do we have anything? I don't really, let's

788
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:26,800
get out of here.

789
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,519
Speaker 5: Well, I want to ask you guys again, like, are

790
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:34,400
you good with a full teardown? Because I pulled the

791
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,360
clip earlier and put it up on X of us

792
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,559
talking when we were four and ten? Really, oh God,

793
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,280
will brought it up first, he said, Oh, if you

794
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,639
get to twenty losses before ten wins, this is this

795
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,519
is miserable, this is ugly, there's no coming back from this.

796
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 4: Well, there's six twenty. So would would you be okay with.

797
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: A complete blow up because best case scenario might be

798
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,719
a first round series against Okay, see best case?

799
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: I think if I'm down with a teardown, if they

800
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,800
keep this vision of rebuilding in the future alive, like

801
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,639
if it's trying to try to adjust this like gap

802
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,159
situation and win in the interim, again, fine with that

803
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,199
as long as they're maintaining flexibility in the future moving

804
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,480
forward once things open up. But you know, to to

805
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:35,239
try and give up anything substantial or sacrifice future flexibility

806
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,480
to try to quote unquote win now.

807
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: That what seems really foolhardy.

808
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: But I also just don't think that that is something

809
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,159
that's in the cards for this front office, regardless of

810
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,000
what you think of Larry Frank or.

811
00:42:52,039 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, before he was Laurence Fishburn, he was Larry Okay, No, yeah,

812
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,639
he was fourteen or.

813
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,559
Speaker 1: I think if you can do a full tear down,

814
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,199
you probably have a negative. All the rumors is that

815
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,119
like Kawhi is a negative trade asset, so that can

816
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,360
still work with their plan to keep things open for

817
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,880
twenty seven, right, like somehow like if you can make

818
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,079
that work and you can get a pick and a

819
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:32,679
player involved in a Zubot's trade, or maybe two picks

820
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:34,920
in a player or something, I say, I.

821
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: Think it's got to be more than one considering what

822
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,400
he makes.

823
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: And I agree, But the Clippers are also over a

824
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,000
barrel right now. They don't have any negotiating power with

825
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:43,159
any of these trades.

826
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 5: Like it's not like, well, the negotiating power is more

827
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,199
than one team would be interested in the beach sea.

828
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

829
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,639
Speaker 3: It depends on the market. Yeah, but so.

830
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you can do that, then yeah, let's

831
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,840
do it. Let's do a Joseph Fryer Award trade where

832
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,639
like six guys go out and we get eight guys

833
00:43:58,679 --> 00:43:59,679
like and.

834
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 5: We're young guys and we're not caring about okay, so

835
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,519
you're getting a top five picks.

836
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,039
Speaker 1: We have a pick. Oh I could not this is

837
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,760
I could not care less about. Okay, See having a

838
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440
top five the pick is gone no matter what's gone,

839
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:13,960
Like does it does it?

840
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,599
Speaker 3: Does it suck?

841
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: If it's a lottery pick of course, yes, like there's

842
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,159
no way around that, but the pick is gone regardless.

843
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,079
Speaker 1: Uh so then yeah, it's like, yeah, let's get some

844
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,000
young guys. We have a pick next year that we

845
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,519
could pack it, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

846
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:38,840
I'm more pro full teardown than I am remix remix exactly.

847
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:43,119
I'm there's no untouchables, No, no one is.

848
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,119
Speaker 3: I think is where is where we're all at.

849
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we won't give up future cap space.

850
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: We untouchable. That's literally maybe the one untouchable cap space.

851
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 5: We're not giving up our expiring contracts that set us

852
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,320
up nicely for twenty twenty seven. For guys that are

853
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,360
on long term deals, We're not doing that. Yeah, and

854
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,920
I agree with Will. I don't think the front office

855
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,320
would do.

856
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: That either, right. Yeah, the reality and planning for this forever.

857
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel good. I don't like these options.

858
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 4: No, it's bad. But we were like double four and ten.

859
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,760
Let's say they're eight and twenty.

860
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: There're six and twenty, not even that, and they just

861
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,199
lost to a team that was missing some really good

862
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,000
players at home.

863
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Badly, they're most likely going to be they went to

864
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:43,400
out of the next three.

865
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: I bet you guys.

866
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: Dude, I was just about to say they're gonna be

867
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,159
like seven and twenty two before Christmas.

868
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,159
Speaker 5: I hope, Like what that would mean they split the

869
00:45:59,199 --> 00:45:59,679
next four?

870
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: No, it means they win one.

871
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,519
Speaker 4: Oh, you're right, even.

872
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 7: Worse still, I hope. What do we all say for

873
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,119
the road trip? It was like they went one in

874
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,000
four on the five game road trip.

875
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: This team. I do drive January every year, and this

876
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,519
team is going to make Drid January harder than it's

877
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:25,079
ever been.

878
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: I just keep thinking of this quote from l Frank

879
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,320
at the CP three press or saying, quote, if I

880
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,719
if I'm wrong and this roster isn't capable of doing more,

881
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,960
as always, will be aggressive in trying to fix it.

882
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,719
We'll explore every avenue to make this team better. They're

883
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,159
six and twenty now. This was December third. I think

884
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,800
we know I I don't think there's a mix with

885
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,519
this particular roster that that's.

886
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: Gonna turn things around this season. There's there's too many holds.

887
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: Maybe if they got DJ back and you know, some

888
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:13,719
guys started hitting more shots from the outside, But last

889
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,199
night to me was like, okay, I felt like they

890
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,079
should have done a move sometime in the last two

891
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,119
weeks when they had four days off. But now there's

892
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,599
more options because December fifteenth has passed. How do they

893
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,639
not do a move in the next two weeks? How

894
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:28,559
do they not do some move in the next two weeks.

895
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,719
And I don't mean a CP three move for nothing,

896
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,440
just to get him somewhere else. I mean a move

897
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,000
to try to help this team.

898
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: I just I gotta not completely embarrass themselves.

899
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,199
Speaker 1: Basically, it'll happen on Christmas, even Christmas, I guarantee it.

900
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:50,519
It'll be inconvenient time for any for a.

901
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: Coach.

902
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 5: Lou last night also said something to the effect of,

903
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,800
you know, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster, And he

904
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,760
said that a few times this season, Like I don't

905
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,440
know if he's asking for a roster change, like, yeah,

906
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:06,559
teams are better than we are, look at what we

907
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,159
have to work with. I don't know if that's what

908
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,119
he's getting at there, but felt like it a little

909
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:19,519
bit last night. Yeah, I wonder that, Like I think

910
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,199
we've talked about it before, but if they did do

911
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,840
a teardown, just coach, we want to be here.

912
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,039
Speaker 4: I think you brought this up, Chuck.

913
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: I think any front officer. Coaching stuff happens in the

914
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,840
off season. I think if we did a full tear like,

915
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,920
I think that happens in the off season. If you

916
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,719
want Tyler or Lawrence Frank gone, you're gonna have to

917
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,719
wait for the off season.

918
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,119
Speaker 5: Somebody called in last night, and somebody called in last

919
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:41,559
night and they were like, oh, I didn't I didn't

920
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,320
like what what Lawrence Frank allegedly said at at the

921
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,400
press conference at the court by meeting last night.

922
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,039
Speaker 4: And I said, what would you like him to say?

923
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,119
Speaker 5: And the guy goes, I think it's Clipper Edward, who

924
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,440
does call in. He's a listener. Yeah, but he's like, well,

925
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,480
say that be a man and just resign. It's like, okay,

926
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,280
so you want him to quit?

927
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 4: You know what I thought about?

928
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:09,079
Speaker 5: I said, you want him to do something unprecedented. But

929
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,519
I guess it's not because Magic quit right at the

930
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,199
end of the season with the Lakers back in twenty

931
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,199
eighteen or whatever it was. But I was like, come on, man,

932
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,800
what about something realistic?

933
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants him to resign him and say, and

934
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,760
you are replacing me?

935
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so too much to ask?

936
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 1: Too much to ask.

937
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: Honestly, we're at the point where we could just have

938
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,000
a competition to let a fan.

939
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Play open tryouts. How about that? That's what I want

940
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,079
for the open tryouts. Have him on the court outside

941
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,800
ahead of the game. Good shit, that's a wacky outing

942
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:45,880
open tryout.

943
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: What's the movie with the Philadelphia Eagles and Mark Wahlberg

944
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,519
coming Invincible?

945
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: We'll find our guy, maybe we will.

946
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,119
Speaker 1: And that guy played a bunch in the NFL. All right,

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that about wraps things up. Thank you for hanging out.

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Probably gonna do a Friday Happy Hour hang depending what

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happens against the Thunder on Thursday. Probably the next full

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episode will be on Monday. Will I think we do

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a better job doing this podcast? And maybe the Slippers

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are playing basketball? Where could people share their feelings about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can shower us with praise over on Apple

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Podcasts or Spotify, and of course listen to us wherever

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you get your podcast.

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Speaker 3: You can also shower.

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Speaker 2: With us with praise over on YouTube dot com as

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at Clippers Podcast.

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Speaker 3: But however you listen wherever you watch, you know we

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appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We very much do. An Adam hardest part of any

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Clippers reporter right now, give us something positive?

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Speaker 3: Who boys?

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Speaker 1: Sit in the depths of hell. You know you're not watching,

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You're missing.

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Speaker 5: Originally this game against Okaysee was tomorrow, but because OKAC

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got so far in the nd season tournament, it bumped

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it back the Thursday, and so it gives the Clippers

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a little bit more time to scheme and plan ahead

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and for James Harden to heal up and maybe DJ

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comes back miraculously early, but it does sound like he

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is on track to come back sooner than later, so

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that there is that's positive right there.

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Speaker 4: They need DJ badly.

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Speaker 1: We need DJ badly. Could not agree more. Thank y'all

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for hanging out. Here's to good rest of the week.

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I'm Chuck Mocker for Adam O's waving up like and

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as always, let's go Clips.