Speaker 1: We're Tommy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion
Bez Telegate's welcome back to another edition of the PSO.
I am the team, You're Telo Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm
here with the Low and you Tilo Lorenzo. We love
hus Bud. We're back. We're back. But if you're saying
anything else, I just want to start off at the
top of the show to uh acknowledge the wildfires in
Los Angeles that are just devastating. Yes, I agree, uh
and give our you know, our support and our thoughts
to every anyone out there who's listening, who is dealing
with that, and even if you're not listening. Uh, it's
just a terrible thing. We're going to have a few
thoughts on that further down the line in this episode
and how they relate to basically our work. Not that
we're making it about us, but now we are going
to make it about us because I know some of you,
at least some of you, are wondering about our absolutely
massive epic trip to Europe for Christmas. We're going to
talk a little bit about that, and then we have
some pop culture stuff to get into, like Lively justin Baldoni,
the Golden Globes, Zendeia getting engaged. We're going to touch
on all that in a bit. But the trip. Lorenzo
planned an amazing epic trip to Cologne, Germany, Amsterdam and Bruges, Belgium,
which they don't say it like that, which I was like,
I can't even get this right. Anyway, it was an
amazing two weeks. It was the best Christmas of my life.
And I've had a lot of great Christmas and I
think I told you that through my life now, and yeah,
it was just an amazing time. Lorenzo go to talk
all about it.
Speaker 2: It was really amazing. A lot of planning. We've talked
about planning a trip and which is exciting. It's always overwhelming,
especially when you go to a place you haven't been before.
You have no idea where are you going to stay,
what are you going to see? But anyway, it's exciting also,
and we did a lot of planning and everything went really,
really well. We had the best time. Tommy's under the weather.
Just so you guys know.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to start off with a bunch I know,
but his excuses, but we're taping this at five point
thirty in the morning because of the construction going on
next door. And I had been battling a cold since
we got back from Europe. So I so you knew.
If I sound a little funky, I'm sorry about that.
I will not be fleming my way into the microphone.
But we wanted to do that because yeah, we had
to get it done, all right, about me and my
horrible voice.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So the trip was amazing. Cologne was fantastic. Was
nice to be in Germany. I love Germany and German
people just love it. It was you know, I just
loved the whole thing. Loved me, They loved Tom. They
thought Tom was German, but he has to explain that
that he's actually half German or.
Speaker 1: Shorter German. And I don't want to say in all
my travels as if I'm some sort of incredibly well
traveled person, but I mean, we've been to several countries
in Europe and this never happened. It didn't happen in Ireland.
Every time I turned around or stood up some it
was always like middle aged or older German Man would
just sort of looked me up and down and then
not at me. And I was like, what is going
on here. I know, I know, I think I just
looked like good German stock or something. I'm just this big,
hearty looking dude. So we have fretz. And then we
were in Amsterdam and in this crowded cafe and I
and I stood up because I had to go to
the bathroom. And I stood up and I turned around
and this table of again middle aged or older men
all turned and looked at me and gave me this
up and down. And I was like, oh, are they gay?
And I was like, oh no, wait, no, there German.
Because I heard them speaking. I don't know what it was.
I just look like good German something stock. I always
tell the story when we went to the You know,
people always think I grew up being told I looked
very Irish, but I don't know that that's necessarily true.
When the Jewish American Museum opened here in Philadelphia, it's
a great museum. If you ever come to Philly, it
is very very good. Yeah. So, and they had like
dozins in the museum. It's a historical museum, so they
have dozens and they'll talk to you and they'll explain
certain things, and in the manner of dozents. They just
come up to you. You don't have to ask, they
just start talking to you about whatever exhibit. And more
than once, you know, not surprisingly, all of these docents
are Jewish. More than once they sort of acknowledged me
as a fellow Jew. A couple of times they brought
me into the conversation, you know, with WII and hour
and that sort of thing, as you know, like this
one guy said to me, and I just thought it
was really interesting. You know, I've been mistaken for being Jewish,
and I've been mistaken for being German, and well I
am German, so I guess I'm not very Irish. Anyway,
go ahead, we're's supposed to talk about the trip.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it was absolutely fantastic. Uh. The plan was
to spend New Year's, Dave, Christmas and New Years Evood
with my family in Harlem actually, which is about twenty
minutes from Amsterdam. Beautiful, beautiful little town. I love Harlem absolutely, Lordes,
we we want to move to that hard less. So
it's just charming. Uh, love it, love it, love it.
I'll get to Amsterdam and in the Netherlands and all
that in a minute. But we had also planned to
go to uh obviously do a Christmas sort of like
you know, trip extravagant eye extrava Christmas extravagan And it was.
And someone mentioned in a comment section that, oh, you
guys don't do train a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually we do.
Speaker 2: We just don't mention it a lot, but we do trade.
Speaker 1: We landed in Amsterdam and trapped our major luggage off
with his brother and his brother's girlfriend, and then we
got right on a train to Germany, Uh, to Cologne
in fact. And how long was that train ride? Oh god,
I forget about four hour the trains in Europe. God,
we were like giggling and left before this used to Amtrak,
and it's like, it's so funny because like the you know,
just the bathrooms, like the bathrooms on those trains are
like in this little vestibule between cars where you can actually.
Speaker 2: Sit and you have places to put everything.
Speaker 1: Everything. They have like a little shell for your iPhone
and a little button you push and it's a hook
for your coat and I'll fly to adjust your I know,
sublic such a pressent, I know. But anyway, alone Germany, Jesus.
So we wow.
Speaker 2: We get there at the stration at the station, train station. Uh,
and I managed to get a hotel not too far
from it. And you walk out and you know, you
face with this massive cathedral right from the gate.
Speaker 1: There's this massive plaza. Yeah yeah, then and it's a
modern plaza, and then the cathedrals right there, and it's
just you know, I've seen my share of cathedrals, and
that is one imposing right right mfing cathedral.
Speaker 2: That is as I said, it's all it's a wall
of church. I mean it's not even like, oh it's
doe now, it's a wall. I mean you can't even
see the end of it.
Speaker 1: And it's got that you know, blackened exterior from like
centuries of you know.
Speaker 2: But the reason why I chose school one at first
I thought about Munich. It's because it was close to
Amsterdam and Harlem and we could just stick the train
because we I didn't feel like getting on another plane
to go to Germany. I was like no, and we
do like the train. We took the train to go
back to London, the high speed train, and.
Speaker 1: It's last time we went, yeah, last time, not this time.
But I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it because you get to see the landscape
that we joke about seeing the cows and.
Speaker 1: Were like, yeah, the sheep. Oh, here's a French cow,
here's the Belgian cow. So we do love that.
Speaker 2: And so we took the train and we had a
fantastic time. I did my research trying to find the
best cities for Christmas Market and Cologne was one of them.
So and we loved it. We managed to go to
what seven Christmas market.
Speaker 1: I know all told. I think we went to something
like ten or alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was insane, we joked.
Speaker 1: I mean there was like, I think there was seven
in Germany, there was one in Amsterdam, there was.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about the ones in Cologne. He was
about seven, correct, I think so. And it was incredible.
It was just cute because Tom was ready to shop.
It was just hysterical. We went to the first one
to Cologne, the Cathedral one.
Speaker 1: He is telling a version of the story that I
do not entirely agree with, and as I'm just going
to jump in here, we came home with a two
rock load of stuff, half of which Lorenzo insisted upon buying. Yeah,
it was not it was not this thing where it
was just me anyway.
Speaker 2: But it was cute to see you go. You can't
cute to go see your first market in I mean.
Speaker 1: You wanted so much, Oh I did? I mean the
way you were prepared. I was prepared. It was funny
because we walked into the first night we went to
the cathedral, the Cologne Cathedral market, which is right right
outside the cathedral, and it was right near our hotel,
and we literally walked in and the very first stall
I walked, I just made a bee line too, because
one of the things I was thinking of, you know,
you know, you know that if you listen to this,
you know that we do Christmas big. And I knew
that we were going there, and I knew that I
was spending money, and I had a good idea of
what I did and didn't want to spend money on.
I wasn't going to spend money on very elaborate, delicate items.
You know a lot of that stuff that you see
a German Christmas mark, the really good stuff it's glass, right,
And I didn't. I was like, I'm not doing that
because that stuff's expensive. And then what I come home with,
you know, bro dust, glass dust, so that you know,
I really I wasn't going as crazy as Lorenzo makes
it sound. And in fact a good but I would
say ninety percent of the Christmas stuff that we brought
home was wood Yeah, they also do, I mean very
well crafted wooden Christmas stuff. Anyway, one of the things
I was thinking about before we went, I was like,
you know, because I like to bake. I was like,
I bet you they have really good cookie cutters there.
I bet you I'll find really good cookie cutters. I
have to keep an eye out for them. It was
literally the first stall. Yeah, first, literally as soon as
you walk in, it's this massive stall of cookie cutters,
and I wound up spending like, I don't know, twenty
euros within three minutes of entering.
Speaker 2: It was funny because you walked straight to the to
the cookie cutters and you were like, oh, yes, I
want this and this and this, and it was just
I mean, they had.
Speaker 1: A Superman one. They had one shaped like Cologne cathedral.
I am doing Cologne cathedral gingerbread cookie. They had one
shape like a cat. And they're actually I didn't realize
until I got home, they're really well crafted, because if
you use one side of the cookie cutter, it'll just
do an outline of say a cat or whatever. But
if you use the other side, it'll press in a
pair of eyes nose. Yeah, so we didn't know about
that until we got home. Well crafted. Oh my goodness,
speaking of which, there's cats. They don't understand why we
haven't a podcasted over three weeks and they're like, what
what is this? So it's by thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: I know, we missed our babies, but they were actually fine.
We'll talk about that in a second. But anyway, back
to Coloon. We they were the most amazing markets and
I highly recommend going to Cologn. Everyone was so friendly.
It does help that I know the language, uh, and
you know, or if you don't know the language, if
you you know, if you just say a few things
to be polite.
Speaker 1: And Germany's manageable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know the lane, right, But they were
very nice, very friendly. We had the best we actually
we had the best time. And I the markets again.
It's cute because Kloon has like a.
Speaker 1: It has like thirty markets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and has like a train which isn't a train.
Speaker 1: It's like a bus, but it's a little bus made
to look like a train, which is adorable, durable and
dangerous as fine. I know, seatbelt, I know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: We always like, where's the seat belt? Uh? Anyway, but
it drops you off at several markets.
Speaker 1: You buy a ticket for the day and thank you,
you can just keep getting out and off. Yeah, so
that was helpful. That was very helpful. I if I'm
going to rate the markets that I we talked about
this last night. The uh my number one would be
the probably the Angel Market because it was so pretty
and we went there in the daytime and it was
pouring rain. I have to laugh. We let's say, our
last four trips or our last several trips to Europe
have been to London, Ireland, Germany and Amsterdam. I have
not seen Belgium, and I haven't seen the sun in Europe.
Speaker 2: I know, I love, I love.
Speaker 1: I like that. It was so overcast and rainy the
whole time we were there, and you know, we had
prepared ourselves. We had read the reports and we knew
it wasn't going to snow, and we were kind of
disappointed about that, but we got that out of our
systems ahead of time. You know, I love our photographs.
They're all these gray German, Belgian, you know, Dutch skies
and it's kind of exactly what you want those cities
to look like if you're taking pictures of them. So
I did not mind the the I'm not saying I
would have been disappointed if it was sunny, but it
did not bother me at all that it was overcasting
the entire time. It was German. I mean, if you
go to Instagram and look at our pictures of Colonne Cathedral,
you kind of want a stormy gray background for that.
You don't want the sun dappled. It's so dark and looming.
So anyway, no, I agree.
Speaker 2: But about the markets and about in general, they are
because I read a bunch of reviews and sits, and
I highly recommend that you do the same if you
want to go see them. Is that the number one?
Speaker 1: It is true.
Speaker 2: They are packed, they are there. It's a crowd.
Speaker 1: Well go ahead, Oh no, you go ahead. I just
want to note that we went We got there the twentieth,
so we were going the week before Christmas in Germany,
and these places were packed. And as I noted to
Lorenzo lately later, I said, you know, my impression of
all the German markets was that they were full of Germans.
There were not that many Internet because then we went
to Bruges and that felt completely international. That's just you
heard every language walking down the street. But it was
packed with Germans because it was Christmas week. They were
all off. I think the I think the tourists must
hit those markets earlier in the month. But this was
kind of fun because the fast, the atmosphere was so festive.
It was just packed with happy, drunk German I know,
it was. Every market we went to was just packed
with happy, drunk Germans. And so the atmosphere is really festive.
You do have to deal with the crowd. I mean, yeah,
you have to get If you can't deal with crowds
and this is not your activity. I hate crowds.
Speaker 2: And but you have to know and and it depends
on what you're looking for. If you just want to
go in, buy stuff and get out, go early. Because
we went to the to the uh St Nicholas market
and we went to the cathedral one very early in
the morning when they had just opened and there was
nobody there. Uh And when you shop, we actually got
to see the stalls and everything. Could you know, the
night before we could barely walk. So it depends. But
like like Tom said, we went to the Angels Market
in the afternoon and then we went at night, and
the I mean, the atmosphere and the vibe is completely different.
Speaker 1: You have to go to the Angel Market, right right.
So we went in the early afternoon and it started
pouring and I said, and I actually said that we
could tell it's in this park with all these trees
and and it had all these lights and starbursts hanging
from the trees. And I was like, this is going
to look amazing at night. Why don't we just go
back to the how to? And we did. We waited
it out for a couple hours. It was still raining
when we went after dark, but it was gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely go if you see the pictures on
our Instagram accomp I mean, it doesn't even look.
Speaker 1: Real, it doesn't so so beautiful.
Speaker 2: So if you like Christmas, if you want to, you know,
go to the Christmas markets in Europe. It's not just Germany,
They're everywhere. Do your research and you love it. I
think you have a great time if you like Christmas.
Speaker 1: I didn't get finished rating them Angel Market first. I
wanted to do that. Oh, go ahead, you Angel markets first.
I think the the Heinzelmannchen one, the Heinzel's market with
all the yeah, the old town market. It's I had
to look this up later. Cologne has a city sort
of mythology that has to do with little gnomes running
around the city at night doing all the housework for everyone.
It's an old story. And then some some woman, some
housewife put peas on the steps one night to try
and catch them, and she caught them, and the gnomes
were so mad about being caught that they stopped doing
everyone's housework. So there's it's part. It's in the city's story.
So this whole market is nothing but nomes and it's hilarious.
There's like a ski lift with gnomes on it, and
it's like drunk gnomes everywhere. But it's also just super
a charge. Like I have to give the Germans credit.
They really lean into the Chris the Christmas charm. You know,
they know they know how to do it. And so
it's gnomes everywhere, and it's just you know, all these
like you know, Alpine looking or Bavarian looking houses and
huts and everything, and every place you go you can
get beer, you can get glue wine, and as we
said in the daytime, it's more shopping, but when you
get at night, it's just and the food. There's so
much food. And we had such heavy ass food, but
it was so damn good. And when I got there,
I said I had never been to Germany, and I
was like, you know what, I'm I'm not going to
eat pizza while I'm here. I'm gonna really really Germany
how we do it, that's how we do it.
Speaker 2: We try our best to eat local food, just to
try it and try different things. I mean, and we
we did have a list of things we wanted to
eat at the market.
Speaker 1: Well I had a My list was all cliches. But
I was like, I'm checking off the cliches. So I
had Vanish ninsel, and I had apple strudle, and I
had brought worst you know. I was like, I'm just
going to check these off. No, it was great and
it was fun. Yeah. They had those amazing potato papes.
Oh the beef fried yeah, drenched and drenched in oil.
And those cream puffs remember those? Yeah, yeah, amazing. So
you know, it was just fun. It was festive. I
have nothing but really happy memories going through those, even
though you know, there were times that got really crowded,
really wet. We got stuck in a hailstorm at one point.
Speaker 2: But you just go with it. I mean, when you
travel to another country, your face. I always we always
joke you know, foreign objects, foreign things to do, like
because they're all new, and you just have to go
with it, right and and you know know that you
know things are going to go wrong, or that you
don't know what to do stuff like that, like I
forgot so we we arrived back in Amsterdam and then
we were just standing waiting for the train door to open.
We forgot that you actually have to mainly open the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get out. I was talking about that. I mean,
the great thing about, the great humbling thing about traveling
is how it it just teaches you, like, yeah, I
know how toilets work everywhere in the world, I don't
know how this shower works. Things are different, and it's
kind of a humbling learning.
Speaker 2: I always joke about that. I always say that when
I come back from in and a trip, you know,
you you you you're reminded again and again that the
first of all, that you're just a dot, you know,
in a very very big planet. Uh, and things are
different and you just not that important, and you're not
that important as America.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's nice to be like, you know what, you're
not that big A.
Speaker 2: No, you're not that important. But anyway, Uh, it was amazing.
Cologne was amazing, The markets were amazing. I'd say my
favorite is the Old Town one. I felt like a real,
real Christmas village. I felt like I was in a
in a The the Gnomes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my favorite.
The second Nicholas was also ahead. My second favorite is
the the cathedral actually, then the third d Angels and
the fourth I'd go with the Saint Nicholas and Nicholas
with cute and beautiful army, so charming. And one thing
you can do is that it's kind of a tradition.
You you have a drink, you have a glue wine,
and you collect the mugs if you want each trump each.
Speaker 1: Yeah, each market has its own mug design and you
can get glue, wine or hot chocolate in them. Yeah.
You can return yeah, yeah, you buy you basically you
can return the mug and get your deposit back, or
you just take the mug with you. And most people
take the mug with them. So we did, we did,
we have six mugs now, and which isn't all that much.
First off, they're tiny, They're tiny, little leg you know,
espresso size. They're not American, they're not big ass you
know Starbucks mugs, but adorable, very charming. They each have
a different design based on the market. Some have noomes
on them, some have angels on them.
Speaker 2: It's quite an experience. And then I highly recommend it
to do with your friends, to do with your family,
with your kids. Yeah, I mean it's fun. A Christmas
market in another country is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It is. It's just a lot of fun. You don't
it doesn't have to be a shopping experience like it
was for us that but that was something I knew
I wanted to do. And in fact, I just said
to Lorenzo yesterday, I don't actually think I'm done with
Christmas markets. I would love to go to Munich because
nik is supposed to have great Christmas markets, but I
would not go to shop. I have done my shopping.
We came back with an entire suitcase full of stuff.
I don't need to do that. And when I say
I just want to say about the stuff that we bought,
I knew that there were some big ticket items on
my list that I wanted to try and get while
I was over there. One was a nutcracker, because you know,
you're in Germany and they're going to have amazing nutcrackers.
We in fact, did not buy any nutcrackers.
Speaker 2: We have amazing nutcriers.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a nice ones, and I have to
admit I didn't see any that really right. I mean,
I'm sure there were amazing ones that were probably three
hundred euros, but I wasn't spending that kind of money.
They have in Germany what are called Christmas pyramids. They're
made out of wood. They're usually depict some sort of
Christmas scene and then there's a propeller on the top
of it, and if you light candles underneath it, the
propeller spins and they are of various elaborate sizes. They
have very very tall, tiered pyramids that you know, just
massive pieces with like the Nativity and the three why
just angel, everything stacked all throughout this thing. I never
wanted something like that because I never wanted something that
big and elaborate. And also, I believe it or not,
I do have a limit and I'm not spending three
hundred dollars or three hundred euros on a single piece
for Christmas. It's Christmas, I don't It's only out for
one month. I'm not going to spend that kind of money.
But I also knew, having looked at these things in
American Christmas markets for years, that I might be able
to find something cheap, cheaper than in America. And we
went to this one stall and he had them, and
he had this one that was beautiful. It was a
tabletop piece. It's not massive, like you could put it
in the middle of a dining room table, and it's
just a scene of a small German village and over
it is Santa and a sleigh with reindeer, and when
you light the candles, Santa spins around. It's very cute,
but it was It's a very delicate piece that comes
in a lot of it comes in parts. The parts
of it are very thin, thin, thin pieces of wood.
There's a small glass cup in that's inserted in the
bottom for the thing to spin on it right, And
the guy was telling us, he's like, you have to
be very careful. So that basically was so delicate. It
took up most of a carry on and it's not
that big a piece, but we had to wrap it well.
We wanted to protect it. Yeah, and then what else.
I got what's known as a Schwabogan, which is another
German Christmas piece. You may have seen them if you
know this sort of thing. It almost looks like a manora.
It's an arch with candles inserted and it's usually no
more than four candles though, and then below the arch
again it depicts some sort of scene. This is a
I looked them up. It's a They originated in some
mining town in Germany. At the end of the year,
the miners would make these scenes out of metal, depicting
what happened in the town that year. I mean, charming
as shit. Now they're made out of wood and they
all depict like the one that I bought has like
Santa with some presence, and on either side of them
is two angels, which I actually think is kind of
funny because it's sort of mixing up all of the iconography.
Very charming, and again, those things can get insanely elaborate
and in my opinion, a little gaudy, But this one
is small. It only has four candles. It's something you
can put on a sleep. It's really pretty. But again,
both of those they're not massive pieces, but because they are,
they're decent sized. They come in boxes and they are,
you know, somewhat delicate. They took up a lot of
space coming home, right.
Speaker 2: We tried to be very careful bringing all this stuff home,
and Tom's very good at that.
Speaker 1: I have to say, nothing broke. Yeah for one little
cat figuring, which I feel bad about. Yeah, you bought that.
Speaker 2: But everything else survive, which is America.
Speaker 1: If you look at the pieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was great. It was a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1: I bought a bunch of Santas, yes, and this was
something I was doing because of my mom. My mom
and my dad did a lot of traveling in their
fifties and one of the things I did. My mom
did when she went to other countries was by Santa figures,
and she had this lovely Santa collection that my siblings
and I divided up when we when my mother passed,
and I think I have the Croatian Santa. Anyway, I
was like, I want to go to Germany and get
some Santas and beef up my own Santa collection, which
I did, and some of them are ceramics. Some of
them are wooden. I'm looking at them now because they're
all in our dining room. And I picked ones that
didn't look American because I was like, if I go
to Germany and get some Coca Cola looking Santa Claues,
So there's like gnomes where they have like little weird hats,
or one of them's dressed all in gray. Like it's
just so I love it because now I have this
range of Santa Clauses. And then we bought a lot
of ornaments, but we bought on it's for people as
well as for us. He's having a hard time with
this conversation. But some people asked us to pick up ornaments. Yeah,
so I'm putting aside. But that also I went through
these markets and started snatching things because I was like,
you know what, these would be hostess gips. These would
be ornament exchange and we'll have these for a couple
of years, because who's not you show up at someone
house for Christmas and you're like, here, here's an ornament
from Germany. Come on, that's a great gift. It is
a great gift. So yeah, there's a bunch of that stuff,
and that's it. We didn't. It really wasn't as elaborate
as you're making it out to be. It's just that
everything needed to be really well wrapped. So we we
bought an entire duffel.
Speaker 2: Bag and checked it in very large.
Speaker 1: We we bought a large stuffel bag, and we put
all our dirty clothes in the duffel bag and checked
that in, and then we divided up to stuff among
our harder bags and it was all very very well wrapped.
And no, you did a very good job and everything. Sorry,
let's talk about Brush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that was the the Germany abortion. I
also wanted to go to Bruges. It's one of those
places that you know you dream of going someday, and
Bruce is one of them.
Speaker 1: I kept walking around Brush going and people go to
Disney World instead of coming right now.
Speaker 2: It is such a fairy tale. It is insane, fantastic
little town. It's exactly what you imagine, just beautiful, charming. Again,
people were extremely friendly. Uh, gets very crowded no matter
what time you go.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to say tourist trap because
but it's it's a tourist destination, fascination.
Speaker 2: For a lot of people in putting Europeans in general,
so you will hear every language there and and it's packed.
But the funny thing is that we we get up
early because we like to have our breakfast early, and
you know, hit the road that see everything we can.
And we did that in Bruges.
Speaker 1: Before everything was open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the stores weren't even opening yet, and this streets
were empty, which was so lovely because we're.
Speaker 1: Walking around and it was so foggy.
Speaker 2: Yes, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful God. I highly recommended what a
lovely Dreamagical.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a cliche to say a magical place,
but it really is. It's just it's I mean, you
just want to dress up like a prince and a
princess walk through this town. It is so medieval looking.
It is so well preserved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this town we took the bus because it
to take the train would have to take two trains
and it would be a little more complicated. And I
was like, what again, why not take the bus and
just see them, you know, you know, go through all
these times and explain.
Speaker 1: We took the train back to Amsterdam after we went
to Cologne and spent Christmas in Harlem. With your family.
Right then the day after Christmas, we took the bus
to Brucees. I just want to explain. Yeah, And it
was funny because I didn't know. I had heard about it,
but I didn't know that in the Netherlands you celebrate
Christmas like three days. So I planned to go to
We planned to go to Bruges right on the twenty
fifth or something. I was like, all right, now the
twenty sixth. Sectually, I was like, all right, we'll spend
Christmas the family and then you know our host. You know,
my brother and.
Speaker 2: His girlfriend were like, no, no, no, we also do the
twenty sixth, and I was like, oh shit, we were
going to Bruges. Anyway, we missed out on that, but anyway,
we still spend a lovely Christmas with my family. With
my mom and my brother hadn't done that in a
long time, the three of us together celebrating something. So
we went to Bruges. We took the bus this time.
We took buses in island, and I'm I just love
taking buses and trains and all that because it's an experience.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you know, our bus was late, but buses are
always late, and it was, you know, a little stressful,
but still we had a great time. We got there
and we spent a lovely time in Bruges. Our hotel
was very, very nice. To have great hotels.
Speaker 1: I mean they're ready, you're ready to make to take
your money. They're ready to take your money. And I
mean the chocolate, chocolate you can just every time he
turned around, there's another insane chocolate shop with world class chocolate.
Like just we were kind of overloaded. And when I
remember when we got home, I was like, I can't
have any sweets. I've had Belgian waffles, I've had hot chocolate,
I've had Belgian chocolate. But yeah, it's just amazing. Everything
is gorgeous there. The the they're very friendly to turists
because they want your money. And the two hottest men
we saw in Europe were in Remember that waiter, the
hottest waiter in Europe who was like fifty, but he
was hot and gay and he knew he was hot.
And then we walked into this Belgian waffle place, just
this cute little Belgian waffle place to have and there
was now I want to be clear here, he was
like nineteen years old, so we were not lusting over
this guy. It was more like Jesus Christ. That guy
could be a model. Yeah, I mean walk in there's
this absolutely stunningly beautiful kid behind the counter, and I'm like, oh,
he could be. You are wasting your dime Felden Wopples kid. Anyway,
but they they have beautiful museums. Surprisingly, they have a
ton of museums in Bruges, you know for such a
small town. Chocolate museum, a beer museum, everything, a French
fries museum, French fries, oh yeah, you gotta get your
French fries in Belgium, and were amazing.
Speaker 2: And all the other great museums too, just lovely. I
highly recommend it if you want to go to Belgium,
if you want to try a small town, that would
be it. So then we went back to.
Speaker 1: Harlem sledsh like I want to say, yeah, I just
want to say real quick. In Belgium and also in
the Netherlands and in Germany, whenever we sat down to eat,
I just picked a local beer off the menu. I
didn't even question because you're in Germany, Amsterdam and Belgium
like best fricking beers in the world. And it was great.
I avoided every name brand beer that I saw. I'm
not having high in Germany. I'm going to have some
local beer. I'm you know, I'm not having Amstell or
Stella in Germany. In the Netherlands, I'm going to have
some you know, local. Cannot recommend that approach enough. I
had some amazing, amazing I remember the names of any
of them, but I had. I just had a great
beer tour. Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2: It's nice to try local things. I mean, that's my
if you you know, we give it a shot, try
different things, and if you don't like them, at least
you know you you tried them. So we went back
to Amsterdam slash Harlem and spend the rest of the
time there. New Year's Eve also with my family, which
was lovely. We went to this Italian restaurant that had
a very very special New Year's Eve dinner. Uh, just
just phenomenal. And then we this time we decided to
do things that we hadn't done or seen, you know,
from our previous trip.
Speaker 1: So that was it was nice.
Speaker 2: We had a wonderful time, and then I wanted very
much to go to a small town near to them
called us Us And I mean, I'm gonna pronounce it wrong,
uns and shuns, I believe.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a small town near Amsterdam where they have village.
It's a village. Yeah, and they have all these incredible
mills and barns and windmills and barns and workshops.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just lovely. I mean it looks I
had never seen a working windmill up close, like old
fashioned Dutch windmill. I had seen windmills in the Netherlands,
but they weren't working. And you go up to these
things while they're spinning, and it's it's kind of awesome
being up closed. They're a little they're more than a
little intimidating. First off, they make noise, loud banging, thumping noise,
and those blades are like, wow, that could take my
head off if I wandered too close to it. Not
that I was ever in any danger. They make sure
you're not. But and we got to go inside one
of them, right right then you realize these are you know,
they're not quaint little buildings. They are massive, massive pieces
of machinery. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Someone actually asked on Instagram they serve a purpose? And yeah,
and yes they did. They all did something.
Speaker 1: They were for grinding and you know, mill and all
that sort of stuff, and what the town itself was
charming as hell. It was again, almost like a little
Disney village. We did find out later that it was reconstructed,
that the houses were moved there from other villages, but just,
oh my god.
Speaker 2: For preservation, they moved all these historical houses and and
you know, to the town. Yeah, so that they could
be there.
Speaker 1: Now, just with all of these windmills on it and
all these like ducks and swans wandering around and little
hot chocolate shops and little oh there was a wooden
shoe museum which we went into. Just charming, charming, charming.
Had a great time.
Speaker 2: We had the best time. I wanted to go there.
It's much more beautiful depending on what you define. It's
beautiful during summer time or springtime, because you know, you
get all that fun and life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my mom was there. My brother took my
mom there, I think summer or springtime. And she said this,
and she kept saying, all these places were covered with
flowers the last time I was here. Yeah, but we
still enjoyed it. It was beautiful, it was We took
beautiful pictures. Anyway, it was, in my opinion, one of
the best trips this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank and thank you for your patience because there
was such a an interruption of service. We will not
be traveling again this year. We're taking a long break,
that is true. But it was a wonderful trip. And
now we've got to get down to business and talk
about all that pop style stuff that this I know
podcast is named after. But let's take a short break.
We're back and one of the first things I want
to do is address a story that we were sitting
on the couch in Amsterdam like Christmas week and I
turned to you and I said, oh, I know what
the next podcast is going to be about. We're a
little late on this because of the holidays, but the
Justin Baldoni Blake Lively war has really heated up, and
I felt in the wake of new developments that we
really needed to revisit this because we talked about it
during the fall when the It Ends with Us tour
was going on. We devoted most of the half of
a podcast to it. And I panicked and we were
at your brother's South and I went upstairs into our
bedroom to listen to the I was like, shit, how bad.
Did we screw this up? Because you know, it was
a twist to recap. During the promo tour for It
Ends with Us, the director, star Justin Baldoni, and star
Blake Lively appeared not to be getting along with each other.
There was all kinds of rumors about stuff on set
and what what we were discussing at the time was
a lot of questionable behavior on Blake Lively's part that
was happening during this promotional tour and at the time
when we talked about this in the podcast, I did
say we did say that Justin Baldoni seemed to be
rather smoothly handling all of this, which is a little questionable.
And also we pointed out that he had hired Johnny
Depp's crisis PR team, which was very questionable, and Blake Lively.
Over the holidays, she dropped a lawsuit alleging sexual harassment.
She got hold of a bunch of text messages from
this PR team and it was all about how they
were planting stories to bury her, to quote unquote bury her.
Her stories about what happened on the set are pretty horrific.
He sounds like a complete asshole, and we'll see I
mean and now he has countersued. But again this is
sort of out of the depth. Johnny depp playbook is
you countersuit the person making the accusations against you, and
you try and paint them in the worst possible light.
And it worked with Amber Heard. And I'll say what
I said now, what I said back then when we
had all these Johnny Depp fans, you know, attacking Amber
Heard in our comments or whatever. It doesn't matter if
Blake Lily is an asshole. And part of our podcast
was about her being an asshole. We thought the the
promotional tour with all the flowers and everything, we thought
that was gross. We thought it was gross that she
was using it to promote her booze line and her
hair care line. This is a story about domestic violence.
If you want to say something, guy, I still.
Speaker 2: Think all that is gross, so do I. Yeah, I
don't want to take that away. I mean, my criticism
of the way she handled the red carpet about a
movie about.
Speaker 1: Abuse was still crass.
Speaker 2: It's still horrible to me because, yeah, it but that celebrities,
they waited that that's Hollywood. It was a little what
was a little strange, And I remember and I mentioned
this in the in our podcast, was that I was
looking for pictures of them together because you know, there
weren't they weren't there were there were you know, they
didn't get any image. No place had photographs of them
together on the red carpet, and we wanted that for
the site. So I thought that was a little strange.
And that's when we started reading stuff about him avoiding
her on the red carpet and everybody else in the
movie avoiding him so.
Speaker 1: And he was like when she was promoting her booze line,
he was like, you know, donating to women's groups in
Los Angeles. And we noted this at the time where
it was like, well, that's very good on paper. You
have to look at that with a little bit of
a side eyes. So at least I'm glad we did
call that out at the time. It's not that we
bought into anything wholesale, but our discussion at the time
was mostly about Blake Lively's poor public facing behavior, and
this is just a return to that point about amber Heard.
It doesn't matter if Amberhard was an asshole, she still
shouldn't have been, you know, smacked around by her husband.
And it doesn't matter if Blake Lively is crass or
whatever he was, you know, making her shoot scenes, you know,
a burst scene naked, or complaining about her weight, or
showing her pictures of other naked women. And there were
so many examples of him acting very in a very crass,
bizarre manner that I don't think it's all that questionable
that she's probably in the right. This is all going
to hash out in the court. And you said before
we flipped on the mics, the lesson here is you
never really know.
Speaker 2: You never you never know, You never know what really happened.
Hopefully you do, uh for you know, for her sake
in this case, but you don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting that at least you know, you learn
all the time, that every time that there's always more
to this story than than what's presented, Especially when it
comes to celebrities, you never know.
Speaker 1: And when, and we also noted this at the time,
you should always stop a minute in question, why am
I suddenly hearing all of these bad stories about this
person at the same like suddenly that's PR that's what
PR people.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the saying a PR is a machine and
it will destroy you or elevate you. That's that's that
its job pretty much. It's to to you know, make
you a favor or a favorite, or maybe make make
people hate you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So at the end of the day, I still
think black Lively is crass. I think she and her
husband are influencers more than they are actors. They are
far more interested in their companies than they are their performances.
But that does not make spechual erath correct or good
or something she deserved. So I hope she gets justice
for this, I really do. It sounds like he put
her through hell and then he literally tried to destroy
her career. Honestly, I think he was kind of stupid
for that because they are a power couple, the two
of them, and Ryan Reynolds did step in, and that's
part of the lawsuit is that, you know, his name
keeps coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're popular in the you know, Hollywood.
People like them.
Speaker 1: He had the biggest movie, one of the biggest movies of.
Speaker 2: The year, so I thought about that, But at the
same time, I felt it was strange that everybody else
in the movie started unfollowing him on social media. Justin
Baldoni yeah, and not talking to him at all the
red carpet and during the promoting the movie, and I
was like, that's strange. I mean why, so there you go,
now you know why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we just wanted to revisit that just because
we take the book some time to it and uh,
just lesson learned on my part is to always question
when these stories, why these stories are being planted, especially
if they're being planted against a woman, Because clearly he
and his PR team felt they could exploit the fact
that women that the public will turn on women on
a time. Women celebrities. Look at and I'm not saying
some of them deserved it, but look at how quickly
Ellen degener is tanked. Look At how quickly Jennifer Lopez tanked.
Look at how quickly Katy Perry this year She's put
out one bad album them and suddenly no one can
say a nice thing about Katy Perry. I'm not saying
all these are our PR campaigns, but I do note
that the public will turn on female celebrities very very,
very quickly, and I think Justin Baldoni knew that and
exploited it. I agree, And that's our lesson is to
make sure to keep our eyes open for that sort
of thing. Okay, we've done that. Now, what's the next
thing we want to do? Oh? The fires, the fires
in Los Angeles. It's so I put this. I sketed
this because we're not on I mean, we are on Twitter,
but if you want to follow us and here are
our thoughts on anything, we're on blue sky So please
follow us on blue Skype. And I skeed it on
blue sky the other day that it just feels stupid
and impotent to send your thoughts and prayers on social media.
But you can't let that go unacknowledged either. I reached
out to a couple of people we know out there
to see if they were okay, and they are. I mean,
we have family there and we do. Yeah, your uncle right, well,
no he's not in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: But he's in California. Yeah that's a.
Speaker 1: Big, big, big state. Yep. Sorry, you threw me off.
I was like, I don't have family in Los Angeles anyway.
It's a terrible thing and the pictures are horrible, and
honestly it sounds so lame, but our thoughts and prayers
really do go out to everybody out there. Who's dealing
with it.
Speaker 2: I feel terrible for everybody, and we tend to hear
about the big houses and the big people, which it's,
you know, also horrible. I mean, let's face it, they
deserve it. It's your home. But you know, we tend
to forget all the little people who will not have
the money or the resources to rebuild their lives and
their homes, and that is devastating.
Speaker 1: It is horrible. I mean, there's story communities no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these there are stories out there if you, if
you look for them of families who still haven't recovered
from the previous one, from the previous one. And that's
the thing that you know, breaks my heart and it
makes me anger, is that I don't want to make
this about politics, but you know, my entire life, I've
heard about this fire in California, and I cannot believe
that we haven't found a way to deal with those
far as in a better way. I'm not saying we're
going to get rid of them or or avoid them,
because we can't. But I can't. I can't imagine that.
I mean, there's there's a way that politics and people
with money can't make this a little more you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's horrible. I don't I don't know
if I agree with you. No, I only because I
don't have them facts. I don't. I can't weigh in
on that, I know.
Speaker 2: But but there there's I don't know. I I think
that there could be I could be wrong, but I
think there could be a better system to deal with this.
Not that you can't get rid of it or eliminate
it because it's you know, it's it's a natural disaster.
But I was actually listening to NPR, uh and then
you know, some some experts on fire and all that.
We're saying, Yeah, the first thing we think is it's
it's to blame, you know, I don't know, blame everybody,
Blame the politics, or blame blame it on you know,
the change, climate change and all that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And he said, there is some truth to that that
these things contribute to, you know, a far worse situation.
It's not that the fires wouldn't happen anyway, right, I'm
not saying the fires wouldn't happen anyway. Let me just
put this very clear here, But I think that after
all these years, we haven't found.
Speaker 1: A way to deal with this a little better. I
don't know.
Speaker 2: We we we certainly have the money.
Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to address was the
question of what's going to happen with the wards season. Now,
obviously this is not the number one question I think,
you know, arising out of these fires. There's a lot
of tragedy and terror going on right now. But this
affects us, and this is something for which we have,
you know, a few thoughts. The Critics Choice Awards were
supposed to air this Sunday, and they have been pushed
back by two weeks. The voting for the Oscars has
been pushed back by a couple of days. They're going
to announce the nominations on a Sunday now, which is
kind of unprecedented, I know, Galleca. The LGBTQ Film Critics
Association to which we belong, has extended their voting by
several days. And you know, there's certain things that are
up in the air about things like the SAG Awards
and stuff like that. And now there's talk about either
postponing or for some bizarre reason, not televising the oscars,
like having them, but not televising them. Which honestly makes
no sense to me at all. And I don't argue,
you know, if Los Angeles is burning, like, I don't
know that that is the best time to be having
an award ceremony. Having said that, the Oscars aren't until
March second, I think, and I don't think the fires
will still be going on at that point. I don't know.
I feel some kind of way about this. When they
did delayed the Critics' Choice Awards, I broke the news
to Lorenzo, and I was like, Jesus, it's just one
thing after another with this job. Just to put this
in perspective, this period during award season, this two month
period is our It's our big financial period. It's where
we make a decent amount of our money, A decent
amount of our page views are coming during this period.
It's just our busy season. And if you take that
away from us, if it goes away, that's an enormous
chunk of change out of our yearly revenue. That's not
a complaint. This shit happens, But I've just been noting
how much shit has been up. But like the strike
did the same thing. The strike had a serious, serious,
serious dampening effect on our revenue. Lockdown did the same thing,
serious damping effect on our revenue. So I'm just throwing
this out there because people may not realize that our
jobs are are constantly, constantly, constantly buffeted by the events
of the world. And it'll be interesting to see how
this plays out. But that is an argument for not canceling.
Not that we're losing money, but if we're losing money
all the way over here in Philadelphia and we're not
connected to this at all, imagine how much money would
be lost in Los Angeles if they canceled all of
these I mean, there's caterers, there's limousine drivers, there's hairstylists,
there's publicists, there's caterers, there's waiters, there's all of those
people who make a ton of money off of these shows.
And I don't think it's right to cancel them. I
do think if as this devastation goes on, I do
think it might be a good idea for these award
shows to turn themselves into benefits or some to try
and raise money some way for the victims. That's how
you move forward. But canceling them completely, I don't see
the point at that At all anyway, No.
Speaker 2: That's I agree with that. I think you know, Jean
Smart came came out with a statement saying, you know,
we should cancel all the uh you know.
Speaker 1: The oscars, And I'm like, team, how smart you got yours? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that's you know again, I
feel like people say these things and they make these
statements and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's too.
Speaker 2: I think everything is very showy. Uh that that's how
That's how I feel. If you really want to help,
I mean, you you celebrities, you actors have a zillion
tons of money. Why don't you donate? Why don't you
create an event? Like you said, that's what I'm yeah,
why don't you start doing that? All of you same thing?
You know, get together? Do I don't know, there's some benefits,
some sort of thing to benefit and make make the
oscars will make something different, you know, it doesn't have
to be as showy. It doesn't have you know, there's
this idea that Hollywood is all about you know, artificial,
superficial things, and and I understand that's the idea. We
have have a Hollywood of celebrities and and and glamour
all that that that's not important but there's a whole industry.
Speaker 1: Behind atry as well. There's a whole I mean many
many movies and TV shows stop you know, shooting and
stop because of the fire.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on. People lose a lot
of money. Yeah, I'm not saying that that that we
shouldn't look at it. And what I'm trying to say
is that we should take these these things that are
happening and look at them in a different way. So
if you have to move the oscars to I don't know,
to New York or whatever and create a benefit, do
a benefit, do whatever, you know, like some sort of
like we are the world again with everybody singing, why
don't you do something similar? But you know, to come
out and say, well, we should have let's stop, let's
let's let's you know, let's let's stop spinning the world
and and and and let's just you know, stop doing
everything we're doing. And that's the end of it now,
I mean, come up with the solution. Do something different.
So yeah, you people have you know, if I can
donate fifty dollars one hundred dollars, you can donate millions
of dollars. So why don't you do that instead.
Speaker 1: Or like I said, use these shows to raise money, yes, yeah, yes, exactly,
for the victims, to for the firefighters, whatever. But canceling
it all out right, I really don't see the point
of it. And it's just going to hurt a lot
of working class people who rely on the money that
these shows generate. It'll make a lot of celebrities feel
better about themselves, but ultimately I don't agree with the
idea of canceling them. But we'll see, We'll see how
this progresses over the next week or two. Hopefully these
fires will be under control over the next week or
two and we'll see so And.
Speaker 2: It goes back to what I said about, you know,
find a solution, find a way to make the thing
you know less horrible.
Speaker 1: Great, all right, let's take another sharp break and we'll
be right back. We're back, and we're going to wrap
this up with some thoughts on the Golden Globes. But
before we do that, I just wanted to, you know,
check in on what will likely be the biggest fashion
story of next year. I don't know when it's happening,
but Sendaia showed up at the Golden Globe sporting a
diamond ring on her left hand, which got everyone buzzing.
And then within a day it was confirmed that she
and Tom Holland are engaged.
Speaker 2: What I think, I'm matching tattoos?
Speaker 1: Did they? Yeah? That I didn't know they're doing so
I and I skeated this out almost immediately, and I
stand by this law roads Her stylist is gonna come
into his glory on this one. Let me tell you,
I can't wait to see what this is going.
Speaker 2: To be now, the Princess Diana that sort of moment before.
Speaker 1: We Yeah, I want to I want to sort of
speculate about where she's going with this, but let's address something,
the idea that maybe this would be a private, small
sort of thing. Well, here's the thing. They're one of
those interesting couples. And when I say interesting, I'm like,
good luck to you two where one of them is
a big, big star and likes the spotlight and the
other one is a big big star and hates the spotlight.
Just a sort of exactly exactly, this is a Ben
and Jen kind of situation. However, they are much younger
and a lot less better than those two middle stars,
and they've been together a long time and I actually
do think they're navigating their their stardom fairly smartly. But
I do wonder. I'm like, traditionally those couples just don't.
They don't. They don't last. The ones who love the
spotlight marrying the ones who hate it. That's not a
good time.
Speaker 2: I've seen many videos with her talking and give me interviews,
and I have to say she is a pro man.
She's so young, like she knows how to deal with
the public and the press. Yeah, really really will.
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of a chip on his
shoulder when it comes to that stuff. So we'll see,
we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to brush off the fact that he
is very, very uncomfortable. Uh yeah, he can't deal with
social media.
Speaker 1: And he recently said that he would when he has kids.
He's just going to.
Speaker 2: Retire, which I don't believe, and live in a farm
and would and rage she's not doing that. I don't
raising chickens a format.
Speaker 1: Ye your tread wife. But I don't think this will
be a private affair at all. I really don't. I
think maybe Tom will probably not be you know, put
it this way, I don't think the wedding itself will
be a public affair. I do think we're going to
get a ship ton of pictures. Whether it's like a
People exclusive or whether it's just on social media, We're
going to see whatever elaborate nashion fantasy has been created
for her, And I feel that it's more than likely
she's going to have more than one ensemble. Like, I
just don't think she's doing what She doesn't even go
to the met Gala in one dress. You think she's
only going to wear one dress on her wedding day.
So yeah, it'll be multiple outfit changes. So whether Tom
likes it or not, yes, this will be on some
level public and elaborate that. I just don't see it
any other way. With her in law roachs, there's no
way to a beautiful dress. He's hitting fashion houses right
now taking offers as to who wants to dress her
for her wedding. Now I want to speculate about the dress.
She and Law Roach are huge, huge aficionados of vintage
iconic fashion, and they quite often pay tribute or use
vintage looks just at the globes. Her mid century inspired
look was inspired by a lot of black mid century
artists like Diane Carroll Earth, the kit she has dressed.
You know, she made our Best Dress list or our
Favorite Red Carpet lists this past year for wearing a
Bob Mackie dress as a share homoge and she's done
several other homoses Diana Ross, that sort of thing, Beyonce.
So I feel that they are likely. And because he likes,
he likes you know, costumes and and and you know cosplay,
like as they when they did the Challenges tour, it
was all tennis balls and stuff. I have a feeling
he's going to want to recreate some iconic look. I
think so.
Speaker 2: I think I think they always go for for history
and and moments and fashion and and that's gonna help,
I think. So. I mean, like take Pris's Diane for example,
you know the lace and white and all that. I'm
not saying it's gonna RaSE yeah, yeah, oh my god,
yes absolutely. I mean, I mean they're gonna go for
for some big iconic web iconic and and yeah that
represents something.
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think they would pick because I
also threw out names like Elizabeth Taylor's wedding dresses and
Audrey Hepburn's and and you know there's famous on screen
wedding gowns that could be recreated. I do think all
these names we're tossing out are white women, and uh,
Zendaya and law Roach have not shied away from paying
tribute to various looks worn by white women. But I
wouldn't be surprised if they didn't turn to someone like
I don't know Diana Ross's wedding gown when she married
that Swiss business. Yeah, that sort of thing. But I
do think it'll be interesting. I think we're looking at
multiple dresses. I think we're looking at callbacks and recreations
of iconic looks. Oh absolutely, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: Now there's gonna be a lot of research, you know,
a lot of image paid to.
Speaker 1: Don't you think every label wants to dress her for
Thish my god? Yes, and Laws in his glory because
he got fucked over by the fashion industry and she
is his, you know, his golden ticket, and he will
use that to wield He has used it to wield Brower,
which I don't blame him, but.
Speaker 2: It'll be an incredible moment, of course.
Speaker 1: Because I can't wait to see what she does.
Speaker 2: She she's phenomenal, She wears clothes like very few people
I think, and she's going to be fin.
Speaker 1: All right, wrapping this up. What do you have to
say about the Golden Globes yet?
Speaker 2: The Golden Globes was very interesting. As you pointed out,
the Golden Globes is sort of an international association. Correct
that it has a foreign foreign Press foreign press what
foreign press association?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're going to celebrate and nominate international movies.
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Anyway, My point is that it was it was nice
surprise to see people like Demi Moore and the Fernanda
tour is you know, win right, uh, you know, for
for stuff that most people probably wouldn't. I mean, I
say so much about Demi Moore, but for nondaturs, for example,
with the movie I'm Still here. I mean, most people
don't even know what I'm talking about right now, but
maybe they do now. But my point is that there
are so many interesting things out there, international things that
people don't watch or see because they're so focused in Hollywood.
So it's nice to shine a little light on, you know,
on something that interesting, especially for under too ses. She's
the daughter of a very very famous actor in Brazil.
Speaker 1: And Brenanda, Montenegra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's for another Monta Negra.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And she made a fantastic movie called Central Station about
what I forget how many years ago, so.
Speaker 1: Almost a long time ago.
Speaker 2: And she was also nominated the movie one for Best Movie,
Best Foreign Movie. I considered one of the best movies
ever made. I adore Central Station. Uh is a phenomenon
movie about this woman and and and it's sort of
a journey of a woman, a bitter old woman and
a young orphan boy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They go on a journey uh to find his father.
And it's just one of the most beautiful movies I've
ever seen in my life. You've have a chance to check.
It's called Central Station. And her mother was nominated for
an Oscar. The movie won Best Foreign Movie or Golden
I mean want a Golden Globe. So here we have
her daughter, also very talented, winning a Golden Globe for
her movie called I'm Still Here.
Speaker 1: So it's huge.
Speaker 2: That's all they talk about in Brazil and internationally. It
was all over everywhere in Europe. Everyone was talking about
it because it is a big thing.
Speaker 1: It was a nice upset. I think she's now entered
into the conversation about Best Actress nominees for the Oscars.
So we'll see how that goes. Same thing. But to
me more I think that propelled her to the top
of the discussion about Best Actress. I'm not sure that
the substance is the kind of thing the Academy will
rally behind. On the other hand, that was a beautiful speech,
and the Academy freaking loves I mean, look at someone
like Jamie Lee Curtis or Keihoid kwand they love these
comeback stories. They love these stories about old pros who
are suddenly getting recognition. And she is navigating those waters
extreme adeptly. Right, It's so I wouldn't count to me
more out.
Speaker 2: No, it's a beautiful it was a beautiful speech. You know,
she talks about being called a popcorn actor, right, movie
popcorn movie actor.
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm very happy for her, But I don't think
to me, Moore is a great actress.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just about to say, I don't think
she's the greatest actor. So maybe that's why she hasn't
won anything before. But again, you have people like Amy
Adams never waiting anything, and she's a great actor. Yeah,
it's popular and of course wait it's coming. Gwyneth Paltrow
has an oscar, so yeah, I mean, and you can say, well,
who cares about nominations and Winnie, you know a trophy,
It does matter your career changes, Yeah, you get more
parts or not.
Speaker 1: I think it's notable that Honora did not pick up anything,
and I was surprised, making that film's prospects like a
little questionable. The Saga word nominations came out, and then
I think it's notable that Angela and Jelly was not
nominated for Maria, and Nicole Kinman was not nominated for Girl,
so those two are in a questionable I don't think
Maria is likely to pick up anything. The only reason
Baby Girl might still have legs is, first off, it
has been picking up other awards, and she won the
Vulpy Cup at Can the Best Actress Awards, so I
don't think it's completely outside the realm. But I'm not
an awards prognosticator. I dabble in it. But there are
people who their whole job is to do this sort
of thing. So take what we're saying here with.
Speaker 2: The Green Sea, you never know when, especially with I
think so you know, it's not the public nominating someone
and voting for someone, it's their peers. So there's a
lot of bias I think, still right, and PR machine
behind it. I mean, you see, I mean if you
read Fernanda Torris, she did a lot of of you know, press,
she did a lot of stuff so that people would
find out about the movie and know about the movie.
The director of Alti Saliz did the same and they
were all over you promoting this movie.
Speaker 1: You have to promote the movies.
Speaker 2: You have to talk about the movies again, otherwise nobody
knows about the movie. That's how it works. So it's
a lot of work to promote a movie. So sometimes
the movie deserves that type of promotion and pr sometimes
they don't, and and but people you know will vote
for them. So that's why. You know, sometimes you think
a movie or an actor deserves you know, but sometimes
they don't. They just had very good, very good PR
machine behind them.
Speaker 1: Yes, anything else about the Gloves, No, that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear the nominations for the Oscars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be a couple a week or two before
that happens. I will say.
Speaker 2: Maybe they need more, will be nominated again, who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll say that's it for this week. We'll be
back next week with whatever crosses are across our desks,
and hopefully we won't have to record this at five
thirty in the morning. Until then, take care of yourselves,
love you mean it. Bye bye bye