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Speaker 1: Years, I've been saying that calling Glaine Maxwell as socialite

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in the legacy media is ridiculous, especially when you don't

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go into context about what she is being accused of.

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And the legacy media just continued and continued to call

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her a socialite, never brought up the fact that she

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was also accused of being involved in the actual abuse right. Instead,

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we always got Jeffrey Epstein's Madam, Jeffrey Epstein's pimp socialite.

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With that connotation, you are basically saying that these survivors

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were prostitutes. And I've been bringing it up for quite

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some time because isn't it the media that tells us

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words matter? And then they have the audacity to hop

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on to their computers or whatever it is they're pumping

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their content out from and start yapping away about how

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Gala Maxwell is a socialite. No, she's not a socialite.

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She's a child abuser, a sex trafficker, a general all

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around scuzbag, and quite possibly a bipedal serpent. So now

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that she has been convicted, one of the first things

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I tweeted out was that it's time for the legacy

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media to start calling her what she is, and that

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is not a socialite. Well, there's an article out today

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from The Guardian and the author of that article, Joan Smith,

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is picking up the rally and cry and she's saying

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the same exact thing. Let's call Maxwell what she is,

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a sex trafficker. And I'm very thankful that somebody like

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Joan Smith is uh, you know, smelling the coffee if

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you will. It's long time coming for the legacy media

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to call these people what they are. And when you

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talk about Les Wexner, he should also be talked about

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in the same kind of light. Less Wexner, Victoria's secret founder.

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No Less Wexner accused friend of Jeffrey Epstein, enabler of

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Jeffrey Epstein, and accused of taking part in his sex

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trafficking ring. How hard is that to put that down

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in the newspaper? What are you all scared? I mean,

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it's illogical almost that the legacy media was so gung

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ho on calling this lady as socialite for so long,

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even though there were mountains of evidence. Now, don't get

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me wrong, there were some people in the print media

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who called out Glen's nonsense for the whole entire run.

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There were some people in the print media who were

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I'm buying any of her bullshit. And one of those

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outlets that has done a very good job throughout this

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whole entire thing, even though I might not agree with

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a lot of their positions on other topics, is The

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Daily Beast. They did a fantastic job covering this as

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far as the print media goes, and they have done

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a phenomenal job of framing Glaine Maxwell as what she

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is now there have been plenty of other outlets that

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have refused to do it. Moving forward, I'm very interested

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to see which ones of these outlets actually fall in

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line here and call her what she is and not

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a socialite, because again, it matters right when you're talking

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about Glaine Maxwell. The way the legacy media has leading

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up to all of this, they would frame it like

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she was just some socialite or that this was some

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kind of madam situation where she was just providing prostitutes

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for Jeffrey Epstein. That's the way the legacy media framed

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it for a very long time. And then you wonder

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why people had no idea the true scope of what

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was going on here. You wonder why I'm getting emails

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at every single day from people who had no clue

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the true scope, and it all goes back to the

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legacy media not doing their job. And I know I

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got rant about that here on the podcast, but it's

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very important that you all understand that the legacy media,

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this version of it anyway, is not there as an

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ally for us, the people. Right the fourth Estate is

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always supposed to be a bulwark between us and the

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most powerful. They're the ones that are supposed to be

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holding these people are responsible, not independent content creators who

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are doing it out of their own pocket. Instead, the

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legacy media would much rather yap about how your cousin

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Tom hates you because he voted for Joe Biden, or

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your mom is some crazy racist because she voted for

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insert politician here. That's crazy stuff to me. Okay, the

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legacy media gaslight everybody, getting everybody wound up with their

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rage porn about how everybody should hate each other. Meanwhile,

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they're not breaking it down, they're not giving you the details,

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and they're not informing you of the real issues at hand,

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such as Jeffrey Epstein, Glaine Maxwell, and the true scope

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of what they were up to. The good news is

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people are starting to wake up and just take a

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look at how popular a lot of independent content creators

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and investigative journalists have become as opposed to the legacy media.

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I mean, they have no one to blame but themselves either.

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By the way, all of these pearl clutching blue check

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marks on Twitter and elsewhere who get up there and

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preach down to everybody else well at the same time

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providing cover for people like Epstein and Maxwell. So it's

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about time that we stop calling Glaine max Well a socialite,

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and it's time that we start calling her what she is,

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a sex trafficker and a child abuser. And the author

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of this article from the Guardian is doing exactly that.

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This article is from the Guardian and the author is

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Joan Smith. For years she was described as a socialite,

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a word that conceals more than it explains. Socialites are

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almost always women from a wealthy, if not aristocratic background,

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and they're defining characteristic. Characteristic is being photographed with famous people.

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Imagine these socialites and I'm using air quotes come from

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some of the most powerful families in the world, scions

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in the world of business and politics, and you name it.

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And what are they known for? What do they use

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their great power, their great influence. They're great well for

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to become more famous, to get in more pictures, to

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extend their social worth. Meanwhile, have any of you taken

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a ride down a major thoroughfare in any major city

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around the country and seen the absolute abject poverty that

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these people are living in. Meanwhile, we have a socialite

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class in this country who are basically getting paid millions

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and millions of dollars to get picture to take pictures

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places with people. And these are the people that others

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are looking up to. Sorry, not me. I think all

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of these people are weird. I think the whole entire

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so called polite society is corrupt and polluted, and anyone

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who's aspiring to be a quote unquote socialite should probably

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have their brains checked. Glenn Maxwell fitted the bill, appearing

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in photos with everyone from Donald Trump to Elon Musk

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to Prince Andrew. But being a socialite is not a job,

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and it was unclear how she financed her opulent lifestyle,

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especially after the death of her father, Robert. Eh. It's

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no shock to me. We all know the deal. She

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was set up with Jeffrey Epstein for this express purpose,

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for them to work hand in hand to provide compromise. Again,

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the legacy media refuses to touch that, right. They refuse

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to really go down the real rabbit holes that matter.

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And for me, I'll just let my work speak for itself.

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We're going on three years here now with over fifteen

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hundred episodes in the catalog, and the proof is in

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the pudding. The question is when's the legacy media going

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to catch up to catch up to us about this.

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It took them forever to catch up about a bunch

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of other things, so I'm guessing it's going to take

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forever for them to catch up here as well, because

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they've been lapped right the stuff. The legacy media is

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all shocked about things. People were Oh wow, I had

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no idea about stuff we've been talking about for three years.

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And I don't just mean me. I'm talking about people

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who have been following this case closely. And when it

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comes to Glene Maxwell's lifestyle and the way she got

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her money, it's very obvious how she got her money.

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She was working hand in hand with Jeffrey Epstein. He

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was engaging in all kinds of financial malfeasance all over

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the globe, and at the same time, Maxwell's role within

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the enterprise was bringing her in a bunch of bucks

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as well. So she wasn't a socialite as far as say,

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like a Paris Hilton, right, somebody who's just going around

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taking pictures, getting drunk and acting the fool. That wasn't

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what Maxwell was doing. She was opening doors for Jeffrey

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Epstein that would have never been opened for him. And

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that all goes back to her upbringing generational wealth the

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Old Boys Club of England, if you will. Over recent weeks,

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during her trial on sex trafficking chart in a New

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York courtroom, the answer became clear. Maxwell's wealth came from

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her erstwhile boyfriend, See they still don't get it right,

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from her business partner and partner in crime, Jeffrey Epstein,

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who gave her at least thirty point seven million over

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a period of eight years. Way more than that, folks. Now,

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can I prove that to you with receipts? I can't, Okay,

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But when you look at the hustle Epstein was up

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to in the Virgin Islands and elsewhere, the gratz hustle,

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the every other kind of IPO hustle, you can imagine

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every kind of money stash. You can imagine it was

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all occurring offshore. And I have a hard time believing

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that the only money Jeffrey Epstein or Galayan Maxwell had

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is what they told the federal government that they were holding.

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You mean to tell me they didn't have a bag

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in reserve, Stop it. These people always have a bag

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in reserve all accounts. Maxwell went from being in love

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with him to discovering that her usefulness lay elsewhere in

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providing a steady stream of young girls to satisfy his

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depraved sexual appetite. And this again is where they missed

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the point. They get a little bit of it right,

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But it wasn't just his sexual appetite that was being

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addressed here. His proclivities were perfect for the intelligence services.

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This is exactly what the intelligence services love. A guy

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like Epstein in the financial sector who has proclivities such

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as his. Get that guys involved in your schemes and

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your plots and your honeypot operation and forget it. The

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sky is the limit as we have seen here. And

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for those of you who think that, come on, the

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government will never be in bed with a guy like

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Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, just off the top of my head.

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bed with in the past. Whitey Bulger, Sammy the Bulgravano,

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both men burial killers, both men absolute murderers and scumbags,

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and the government had no problem getting in bed with

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them because the means justified the end. And if you

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think the same didn't happen with Jeffrey Epstein, I don't

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know what to tell you at this point. I know

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we have certain people out there. Oh there's no intelligence

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ties with Jeffrey Epstein, that's absurd. Those are the very

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same people, folks, remember that were probably pitching you that

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the weapons of mass destruction lion Iraq was right and

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that the whole entire Russia Russia fiasco was legit. It's

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all bs in political theater with these people. The girls

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trusted her, thinking of her as an older sister, and

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only realized later that they had been betrayed. The socialite,

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co conspirator, general all around scuzbag, convicted sex trafficker, child

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abuser was actually a procure a word with deservedly unpleasant connotations.

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You see, she was more than that. As much as

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I appreciate the author here, Joan Smith taking up the

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mantle and talking about how she's not a socialite. Again,

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she doesn't go far enough. Again, she's watching her words.

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You notice they never watch their words when they're attacking

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their political opponents. However, right it does not sit easily

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with Maxwell's glamorous lifestyle, the planes, helicopters, and visits to

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Epstein's private islands. Many well known people will surely be

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regretting that they ever moved in the same circles as

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Maxwell and Epstein, let alone appear in the aircraft logs

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revealed in court. Indeed, Maxwell's conviction last week on five

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charges seems to have created a kind of cognitive dissonance

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in some circles, as those such things simply should not

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happen to a woman with a degree from balliol I

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mean again, this is the perception have of the so

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called elite, and that's a perception that they have fostered

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for years and years and years. But those of us

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who know the deal, we understand that the so called elite,

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they're more depraved than just about anybody else. I don't

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care where you have your degree from, I don't care

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what kind of charitable work you have done. If you're

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running around with Jeffrey Epstein, Gallainne Maxwell and the rest

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of them, You, my friend, are on the list as

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a piece of shit. Well connected individuals who rarely display

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an interest in America American penal policy have complained bitterly

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about Maxwell's prison conditions, as though she is in a

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different class from other inmates. See this is what I've

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been talking about this for a while. Anyone who knows

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people who have been to prison, anyone who has loved

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ones who have been to prison, understand right away that

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all of Maxwell's bullshit was exactly that bullshit. She wasn't

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treated no different than anybody else, and she does not

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want to be on the main line. And then all

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of a sudden, all of these so called elite, all

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of these people who were in Maxwell's circle or Epstein's circle,

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whatever you want to call it, all of these people

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all of a sudden care about how jail reforms going

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or what's going on in the prison systems in the

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United States. But the thing is, where were they before

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Maxwell was arrested? Where were they when people like Khalif

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Browder were rotting away in prison. Siblings have rallied around

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insisting that they cannot accept the Jerry's guilty verdicts, although

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that seems to be more of an expression of denial

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than in any real expectation that she will win an appeal. Well,

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you can't expect them to say anything else, right, there's

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no way that she's winning any appeal, Folks. I don't

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buy it zero chance. Just like I didn't think she'd

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win her trial, I don't think she'll win any kind

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of appeal here. She was not treated any differently, she

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was not treated wrongly, and to be honest with you,

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she got more of a fair shake than just about

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anybody else. We know from rape chials that the public

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imagination struggles to accommodate to individuals who challenge stereotypes about

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sex offenders, whether it is the good looking date who

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turns out to be a rapist or the socialite who

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facilitates a pedophile. It's easier to believe terrible things about

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Rosemary West, a don't be working class woman who helped

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lure girls into her husband's car and joined in his

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abuse of them, than an heiress who once rested her

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boot on the thigh of an entranced Boris Johnson. See

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for me, it's not and I hope that that's one

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thing that all of you folks take from this podcast.

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If you take nothing else from it, please take this.

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Those who would rule over you despise you. Those who

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would rule over you are not these great people. And

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when I think about people like this, I don't think

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about working class people. I think about people like Maxwell

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and Epstein and John Luke Brunel and Darren Hindyke and

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the rest of them. Fred and Rose West committed horrific

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crimes together, torturing their victims as well as killing them.

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But Fred West was already a murderer when he chose

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fifteen year old Rosemary Letts, who had a horrendous history

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of child sexual abuse, as his accomplice. Yeah, well that's

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all fine and well, but Maxwell doesn't have that to

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fall back on, that kind of armor to wrap herself in.

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She was from great privilege, she was born into the

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Maxwell family. You want to talk about having money, talk

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about having dough and power and reach. It doesn't get

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much more elite than that. So any kind of position

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that's being taken that Maxwell's any kind ofvictim, or that

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she couldn't stop Jeffrey Epstein if she wanted to is

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bullshit in my opinion. She could have stopped him, she

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could have rated on him, she could have went to

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the authorities. Instead, she continued to do it with them

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and continue to benefit from it. Predators have a sixth

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sense when it comes to choosing co conspirators. Maxwell was

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a grown woman when she met Epstein and fully responsible

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for the choices she would go on to make. But

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it is striking that their relationship seems to have begun

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around the time of her father's fatal fall from the

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yacht to be named after her, the Lady Golaine. That's

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bs as well. Again the legacy media not knowing what

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they're talking about, and with all respect to Joan Smith,

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she could probably do with listening to the podcast for

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a little while before her next article, because this has

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nothing to do with that. Maxwell was never a victim.

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Maxwell and Epstein met before Maxwell's dad died, in fact,

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and the whole entire thing was a plot set up

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for them to work in conjunction with each other. It's

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no excuse to say that the discovery that her father

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was a fraudster so soon after his death would have

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shaken Maxwell to her foundations. But it may be that

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Epstein recognized her weaknesses, seized his chance, and got access

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to an address book that included the Queen's favorite son,

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the Duke of York. Again, sorry, Joan Smith, that's not

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gonna work, all right, your underhanded protection of Maxwell, You're

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not gonna go over so well. She's a scumback. She

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was not manipulated, She was very educated. At any time

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she could have bounced. At any time, she could have

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rated Jeffrey Epstein out, she chose not to. She chose

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not to, and now it's time to reap the storm.

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Maxwell's connections boosted his sense of an punity, which is

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perhaps the single most important factor in allowing predators to

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get away with their crimes. He would later describe Maxwell

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in humiliating terms as an ex girlfriend who had fallen

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on hard times, framing himself as the benefactor who had

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allowed her to live the style to which she had

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become accustomed. Again, all part of the plan, all part

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of the plot. I urge you to watch the show

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Americans if you want to see a better explanation of

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how these kinds of people who work in the world

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of spycraft or who are assets, how they conduct themselves.

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They'll set it up as if there's a married couple

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with kids, the whole thing, and it's all a plot.

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That's how the intelligent services work. I know a lot

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of us don't want to think about the intelligent services

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too deeply because it's terrifying. But I'm here to tell

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you everything that Edward Snowden was telling you, folks. He

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wasn't lying, And Julian Assange he wasn't lying either. There's

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a rea that the American government wants him so bad, folks.

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The mystery surrounding the source of Epstein's wealth has led

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to comparisons with Jay Gatsby, the enigmatic main character in

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Scott Fitzgerald's novel, But such mythology lends a suspicious glamour

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to assorted crimes. No, none of that either, folks. I

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don't know who's calling him the great Gatsby, More like

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the great Ratsby, more like the great Moron. The dude

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was getting his money because he knew the hustle, he

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knew the gratz hustle. He was getting IPOs from Goldman Sachs,

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and he was on the team. Right when you're on

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the team, you get the hookup, folks, You got the

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gratz hustle going on, where you're basically guaranteed a buyback

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of the stock purchases you make by the bank. It's

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all a hustle for rich people to get richer. And

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I've been talking about this for three years now. The

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financial angle of this crime is never discus enough, and

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nobody really dives in hard enough. It is a depressing

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fact that women who identify with powerful men often share

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their misogyny and reflect it back in a desperate quest

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for approval. Profiles of Epstein remarked on the disturbing fact

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that his homes were full of teenage girls. They're nothing,

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these girls. Maxwell once told a confidant. They are trash.

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And that's how Maxwell and Epstein thought about all of us,

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not just the girls. We're all, pleads to them, folks,

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our robber baron class, meaning our political class, and people

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like Epstein and Maxwell. If you only understood the low

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opinion they had of you, you would never ever again

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carry water for these pieces of shit. You would never

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ever again get on Twitter and talk shit about this

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or that or the other thing, because in reality, the

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real enemy, the real issue at hand, folks, are these

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kinds of people. Maxwell Epstein and their friends. It's not

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your uncle, it's not your aunt, it's not your friend

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from high school. It must have occurred to Maxwell by

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now that the two men she put absolute faith in,

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her father and or ex lover, both left her to

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face the music after their apparent suicides, and for what.

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The columnist Barbara Amiel, who was married to the former

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newspaper magnet Conrad Black, recalls a conversation that shows Maxwell

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in an unexpected and highly unflattering light. I bet I'm

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in charge of more laboratories and bathrooms than you are,

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Maxwell suddenly said, as the two women were walking along

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the beach. While Amiel thought about it, Maxwell reminded her

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to include those on planes. Thirty nine, said Amiel, and

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Maxwell's face lit up. I win, she exclaimed. Uh, well,

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I don't even understand that line of thinking. I mean,

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imagine being so rich or whatever that you're arguing about

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who has more bathrooms under your thumb sounds like a

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great argument to have. Questions about Maxwell's relationship with Epstein

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have now been cleared up. She procured girls for him,

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and it speaks volumes about our moral compass or lack

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of it, that she evidently cared more about the number

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of laboratories in his mansions than the vulnerable teenagers she

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exposed to sexual assault and rape. Well, not only that,

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not only that, she exposed that she took part in

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Miss Smith, that she helped, that she had literally hands

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on So when we talk about Maxwell, we need to

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remember that as well. She's not just some procure. She's

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not a madam, she's not a pimp. Okay, she is

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a child abuser, a sex trafficker, and a scummy, pitiful

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excuse for a human being. All Right, folks, that's gonna

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wrap it up for this morning. Now. I'll be back

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later on, obviously with more context episodes, and we'll see

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about later on tonight. We might do a nighttime episode

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tonight nighttime update. I have a couple of articles I

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want to get to. But starting tomorrow, we're gonna be

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hitting the ground running, folks. We'll be here every day.

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We'll be back on Beyond the Horizon every day, and

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uh yeah, we're gonna keep the story going because there

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is a lot to get to, so help all of

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you folks. Enjoy your Sunday. And with that said, you

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