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with Thomas and uh, we're going to take a little
break from the thirty Years War series and talk of
something that is a subject that always comes up. It
is how do you put this inse of practice practice?
Speaker 3: So Thomas scottead, yeah, this the friend of ours called
me the other day on the phone. I'm not gonna
name him. I don't think he'd mind if his name
was out there, but I obviously I'm not gonna do
so with anybody unless I check with him first. But
he's an independently wealthy guy, and his notion is he
wants to develop something of a political action committee that's
dedicated towards getting candidates in the local office, you know.
And I told him, well, you know, I know something
about political theory and I know something about revolutionary practice.
I think it's going to be clear. I'm not navigating
people break the law, and because I never do that,
and I certainly don't break the law. But his big
in and don't get me wrong, his program is correct.
The way he's approaching this local is all that matters.
That's the whole point. And null vacationion is secession is
the way forward. I mean that's happening anyway. I'll get
into what I mean by that momentarily. His primary concern though,
is how how do you vet people? Basically, He's like,
the problem is that the kinds of people who are
attracted to political office, and particularly people who hold themselves
out as being dissident sympathetic, they're almost unfailingly people who
came through the pipeline as something like TPUSA, you know,
or they're nominal independence, particularly if that sells locally. But
in reality, you know, they have their own agendas, either
because the ideologically committed the imperatives that they're not disclosing,
or because they've been bought by any number of NGOs
or packs. And I mean to be clear to them,
and I'm not sure people fully understand this. The days
when moneyed people or social registered types would run for
office or something to do like I'm not saying that's
a great system either, but that doesn't really happen anymore.
These guys and these ladies who who decide in a
political career, it's a way of making money, and that's
why they do it, you know. I mean, obviously they
want some kind of presence in media and things too,
and I'm sure they find that gratifying, but you're not.
You're not dealing with the sons of some rich guy
or something. If you get approached by these people like, hey,
I want to be out front, you know, I want
to run for counselmen or oldermen or something or state senator.
They're doing it because they want money, Okay, and uh,
it's that simple. So what I told our friend, you know,
I you you've got to look within your own cadre.
And if you don't have a cadre locally, that's what
you need to build. It can't be this anonymous thing
where it's hey, I'm shouting out some sort of recruitment
drive for people, for strangers who share my political values.
You know, let's let's all get on this team. You
can't do it that way, you know. I come back
to example of Gusty Spence a lot, not because I
want people to blow things up or shoot people, obviously,
but his old point. I mean to be clear, we
proverbially and metaphorically speaking, we do need a ballot box
and armalate strategy. But I don't mean that in terms
of illegality. I shouldn't need to say that, but I know,
there's slow learners and police who watch this stuff. But
you know what it'd Spence say when he was behind
the walls. He said, when young loyalist show up in
the Maze prison, he'd say why are you here? And
they progress some answer like well, you know, I killed
a Fenian or I planted a bomb, or I'm here
because I'm defending my people, and Spence I just say, no, no, no, no, no,
why why are you here? Why are you doing these things?
You know, because he said that even well meaning and
gain mature men who couldn't but immature men who couldn't
articulate that they're a liability, you know. And similarly, that's
kind of the way you need to approach people within
this process, which again is you know, a ballot box strategy.
It's you know, we're we're not talking about anything illegal
or subversive of due process in fundamental ways. But you know,
that's the best answer I could give. You know what
I realized too, I was in kind of a weird
point in my life when I was out in Baltimore,
in Gaithersburg. I mean, I was fortunate because I built
a Cadre Air and it developed very spontaneously so I
met these guys and girls who'd invite me and a
lady friend of mine out to Harper's Ferry, which is
a really beautiful part of the country. It's probably my
favorite part of the country other than the Pacific Northwest.
It's just awesome. I mean, I love everything about Virginia.
But in any event, my buddy was he wasn't any
I mean, he was fairly well off. He was a
widowed guy in his fifties, longtime military veteran and a
trade mean as a carpenter who was basically retired. But
he had this big property and like we'd shoot, we'd barbecue.
He liked having my buddy's wife around and my lady
friend around because I think it was kind of a
lonely guy, and you know, we've widowed and stuff. Very
nice thing, man, you know, and I spent holidays and
and stuff. But we started inviting the local deputy sheriff
who we'd see driving by, you know, because it was
basically had this dead end. I mean this guy literally
in the middle of the woods. So this police he'd
pull in and then he'd like wave at us, and
then you know, like do a three point turn and
pull out. So like one time we told the girls,
like he just ask him if he wants to come in,
you know and hang out for a minute. I mean,
I realized he can't have a beer or anything. But yeah,
he came in and talked to us, and we started
inviting him back. He was a perfectly nice guy. He's
not the kind of guy. He wouldn't have been at
the top of my list to go hang out with
on a Friday night to like pick up girls or something,
or already go to a ball game. But he was
a civilized dude. But the point is we got to
know this guy well, and a couple of times he
came over off duty to shoot with us, and he
did have some beers, you know, and he knew what
we were about, you know. And by the time I left, Uh,
this guy had become very instilling. He first of all,
I become used to us. Not that I mean all
we're doing was shooting and stuff. We weren't raising hell
in a way that would have brought down the ire
of the law. But uh, you know, it's some stuff
as simple as that, you know, as uh so, had
I stayed in Harper's Ferry, you know, the local police
when they'd see me, they would have been like, oh,
that's Thomas. You know, someone's you know, corporal so and
so knows him, you know, and he's okay. I mean,
it's stuff like that, you know. And from there other
things develop, and you know a lot of places too,
like the groundwork's already here, like my my guy was
talking to he's in Oklahoma. And you know, these mother
Jones types, they they'll they'll make a big issue out
of saying places in Oklahoma. Similarly in vid or Texas,
they'll say, oh, there was this was a sundown town
until the nineties. That's actually true, you know. And then
when they got when when injunctions got levied against them
by you know, some of these dedicated civil rights and
g o is, they started doing things locally, like just
aggressively enforcing speed traps. So if some non local who
was causing trouble or somebody was obviously an NGO functionary
anytime they anytime they cross the border into that jurisdiction,
they'd get pulled over and given a two hundred dollars
ticket for driving four over the speed. It's the way
you think it meant. People's lives miserable without running a
foul of a federal court in junction or the or
the Civil Rights Act and things like that. You know,
but you know, I this is happening all around us anyway.
I really like un idea. I think he's still alive,
but I don't. He's got to be in his nineties,
so I doubt he's still speaking and writing regularly. But
Kirkpatrick Sale, he got he gets unfairly lumped in with
with libertarians, and that that's not accurate for those who
don't know Kirkpatrick Sale. He wrote a lot about the
Articles of Confederation from a historical perspective, but he was
kind of this old hippie. He wrote a book. It
was one part expose, a one part sort of documentary
in history Students for Democratic Society, and it was fairly neutral.
It's interesting because people on the right tend to look
at it as being sympathetic and tending to acquit the
excesses of these SDS creeps. People in that SDS camp
viewed it as a hit piece of swords. It's so
he's an independent thinker and around the time that Busch
forty three administration, he started collaborating with the guys in
the League of the South, and he took on a
lot of neo secessionist commitments, and of course this put
him on the shit list of SPLC and things. But
I've got a lot of respect for the League of
the South guys, and especially in the two thousands. They
were early adapters. They had an outsized presence on the
Internet in the Usenet days, and you know, some years beyond.
But you know, Kirkpatrick Sale, I think his last major
book was published in two thousand and seven, but he
made the point a lot that the Articles of Confederation. Yeah,
there's aspects of it, obviously, it are just kind of
trivial historical curiosities. But that's not the way to look
at it. The way to look at it is that
that that's really what's normative for America, you know, and
even what the right wing traditionally was. We talked about
Nolty the other day because I was fascinated and I
remained so by his suggestion that the modern right and
left paradigm was really established by the War between the States,
and beyond that what was the old right. I mean,
obviously the loss causes the lost cause because it secession
failed but that sensibility of forcing the federal apparatus to
recognize local autonomy. That really was characteristic of the old Right,
you know, and the what really was the tie that
binded all these guys, you know, whether it was Murray
Rothbard or or Seawright Mills or Burnham, who in some
ways was a standard bearer of old Right principles when
those principles were no longer acceptable in beltway circles. Harry
Elmer Barnes. Ideologically diverse as these guys were, it was
hostility to the New Deal, which was a revolutionary paradigm,
and it changed everything about the way American life is
structured politically, sociologically, economically. That's coming to an end now
because it needed the Cold War to sustain itself. I mean,
part of that's part. Part of it's just the process
of history. I a twentieth century style labor paradigm, labor
and capital paradigm. I think it's necessary to conceptually sustain
something like that, that managerial apparatus. But this is coming
to an end. So this idea that it's a fool's
errand to talk about nullification or de facto secession. People
who talk that way aren't really in the game, you know,
and so I think that's important. That's the way, that's
why people need to approach this. It's totally different for
people in occupied Europe or people in the United Kingdom,
or our friends in Australia, in New Zealand and what
have you. But the American situation, you know, that's that's
the way forward, and that's that's how people should be
oriented anyway. I mean, the the end game is a
posterity of our people and the rebuilding of a communitarian
life that's perennial, but that you know, one hand was
with the other probially that's what facilitates nulli vacation and
the facto secession and vice versa. You know, And a
lot of this is happening spontane Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me throw this at you, because this is
what you'll what you'll hear from from our guys and
even I mean, like our guys. They have this argument
that as soon as you have the facto secession or
any secession at all, any kind of balkanization, the left wins,
the commis win, that gives them all the power. Like
and it almost seems like the argument as well if
we split up, we you know, we divide our power.
Speaker 2: It's like we're not where do you think we're united?
Who is united?
Speaker 3: Well, it's also not the way I mean the pattern
one needs to emulate is uh well, first of all,
there is no there is no army of the left,
you know, like I was talking to our dear friend
Christians to court. You know that was a Generoy six
prisoner the other day on my pod. You know, we
were talking about the left. The Sorosynk left is ten
thousand miles wide and a quarter centimeter deep. There's there's
nothing there, you know. First of all, it's they can
they can. They can pay people or or or agitate
them into setting fires and throwing bricks through windows and stuff.
But where where is this organic left that is you know,
broad community supporting consists of you know, a cohesive communitarian
structure that acts, you know, with directive, directed purpose and
in some spontaneous organic capacity. Secondly, the whole look at
what people like shin fein irated did they say we're
gonna We're going to join the Labor Party and elect
the right guys to the House of Commons, And you know,
then we're we're gonna tell the Prime Minister were mad
at him. No, what they did was they took, uh,
they took the Catholic heartlands place like the Falls Road,
you know, and and made it essentially said the Crown
simply couldn't enforce outcomes on the ground like they were period.
So the police literally couldn't get in there, you know.
So and then it begs the question too, this isn't
nineteen fifty eight. I mean, look at what when when
some when some punk ass nobody mayor in Portland thumbs
his nose to the president says I'm not going to
allow the National Guard here. When what happens? Nothing happens?
You know, this idea that oh, if some you know,
if some back to the land type community got too big,
or if some you know, de facto secessionist community got
in the radar of the regime, like what are they
gonna do, like sending one hundred to first Airborn Division
and murder everybody, like that's not viable anymore, or something
like you know, integration at Little Gunpoint, that's not vible anymore.
That's done, you know. So. I mean a lot of
this is how or the East, but a lot of
it too. I think a lot of these people really
don't leave their house. I'm not just trying to be
a dick when I say that. I think some of
these guys and it's, you know, I think they they
go to some office a few days a week and
the rest of the time they work remotely. They have
no idea who their next door neighbors are. They go
to some gym where they don't talk to anybody. They
maybe they have a wife or girlfriend, but they don't
have any friends in common, you know. I mean, it's
these people their perception, and they live in some geography
and nowhere town and no one's actually from so their
whole perception of this is from a perspective of splendid alienation,
and they don't understand what's actually happening at ground level.
I'm not trying to say like I'm so smart or something,
but I live at ground zero of racial and ethnic balkanization.
And I've spent half the year literally on a bus
going all over this country and just chilling with people.
You know, And uh, I can disembark anywhere in the
connon of the United States. I probably couldn't Alaska too. Why,
I don't know nobody. But I can literally hop off
a greyhound anywhere in this country, shout something out on
social media or send a few texts, and within fifty
one hundred miles they'll be friendly people end up buying
I could crash on their couch, or they'd be only
gonna come pick me up and take me to the
train station or something that is incredible, and that would
have been unthinkable even fifteen years ago. You know, so
this stuff's already happening. Like I realize I'm not talking
to people who are into our shit when they're like okay,
but you know, how do you make this happen? It's
like it's already happening. If you don't realize that you're
not in the game, you're some guy in the internet
just kind of observing shit, you know. I mean, I
guess that that's one of the things that separates the
Old Fighters from the band Waggers. I mean, but it's especially.
Speaker 1: It is a you know, it's the kind of people
that you you invite to do stuff in real life
and they're like, well, you're gonna dox me.
Speaker 2: You're I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Get doxed if you If it's like this, the secret
police are hiding in your toilet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean I don't know that. It's why,
you know, when you talk about a vanguard, and when
you put a vanguard together, you have to be really
suspicious of people calling it, you know, who are trying
to get in a vanguard, who are like plan trusters,
like yeah, you know, like Trump, it was a miracle
Trump got you know, Trump didn't get shot in Butler, Pennsylvania.
It's a miracle, and now he's gonna save us, and
it's like what.
Speaker 3: What's Also I realized too some of these people I
saw me at I Michael Jones the other day on
my pod and I was recounting when I went to
when we went to American Renaissance, which is not my
scene at all. You know, I went there because there's
people who I got a lot of love for who
were there, and the youngsters wanted me to come, and
which is great. You know, that's uh, I go hang
out with them guys. If we were just like sitting
around peeling potatoes or something, but probably havings. Some people
came up to me and it's clear they had no
idea what I was into or what I write about.
They seem to think I was some like mega guy
who tells like racial jokes or something, or that I
was like some huge Republican or that, uh or I
don't even know. They were just saying like random goofy
stuff to me, you know, like, oh, you're you're that
guy who's not afraid city in word, Like what are
you talking about? Like who are you? You know? Like
it uh you know, so, I mean there's but that's
uh to a lot of these people, it's it's just
kind of like they're they're there. It's it's it's just
kind of like an entertainment hobby. They're not any different
than these these goofy redditors who uh you know, I mean,
admittedly they they're probably more functional than them and David
a capacities, but they're they're just like Internet. They're just
like Internet shut ins who you know, who who think
that there's some uh subculture of sharing memes and and
like telling like nigger jokes or something.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many people?
Speaker 1: Or like yeah, I mean I'd like to talk to
Thomas on my show, but you know, it's like I
don't know how he'd feel about you know, Like I'm
like Italian or something like that. I'm like, Thomas has
one enemy. Thomas always talks about the fact that there's
only one enemy. If you have I mean, at this point,
if you are looking, if if you're looking at any
one other then international Jewelry and Zionism as the enemy,
you're I don't know what the fuck to do with you.
Speaker 3: Well that and it's also I mean the big thing
most people trash me on is that, you know, like
I I'm polite to non white people and stuff. You know, Like,
I mean, obviously the people I'm closest with are you know,
are people within our own culture. But I mean I'm
a minority on the ground anyway, man, like the whole.
So I think Michael Jones is right about he doesn't
understand stuff like reform prosimism like at all. But when
he talks about how on at scale, like in disson
in space is it's a bunch of it's a bunch
of Catholic and Orthodox and Moslem guys. I mean that's true.
So it's different in the South. But you know, obviously
our cadres, uh, you know, a vanguardist cadres with a
minority down there too. Even if people are nominally confessionally
related to people like me. But I'm I'm I'm, I'm
I'm the minority everywhere man, you know, I'm I'm like
the I'm the anglophone, proud guy. Am I the guys
in my local or a bunch of Catholic which is great.
I don't feel weird about there or something. But yeah,
it's you know, but this is another It's another example
of people not not actually following what I do. I mean,
not not that I'm so important and they should, but
it's if you think I'm like if you think I'm
like mister nigger heater man, or mister or mister like
autistic nordous system man, it's like it's obviously you've never
read anything I wrote, you know, And yeah, I don't know.
I don't have any interest in that. What's also too,
I mean, if you're not if you're not down for
your race, there's something wrong with you. It's not you
don't base your entire life around your race. That's weird
and it's something that the eascinated, alienated people do. Yeah,
it goes out saying I'm proud of you white, because
you know, if you're not, you're a fucking faggot. But
that doesn't mean it go around like organizing my entire
life around like you know, I will not walk on
the same side of the street as non white people
because I'm a fucking weirdo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I liked I liked on the Venezuela episode when you said,
you know, I was talking about how you know, people
are like, oh, Maduro's anti white and you're like Maduro
and you said Maduro's white. Yeah, that that was so
perfect because you get to know. But if somebody's only
response to that episode was I can't believe you said
Maduro's white because Maduro is not white, that's when you
know that they're like they have one concentration and that
concentration takes him right out of the game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well it's also too it's a bunch of
immigrant goofies who say that kind of shit, like the
Purity Spiral goofs. They're all these like random Bulgarian weirdos
or something, you know, really these but you're saying at
is today there, It's like, to me, you're a fucking
immigrant go away, you know, Like I it's you know,
to be clear, I mean like I said the Jones.
You know, ethnos and race are two different things. And yeah,
I believe in America, people on both sides of the
ideological divide mischaracterized race a lot. But uh, if Maduro,
if Maduro is in an American public high school, assuming
he wasn't some dude, it was like out gang banging
or something, he'd be viewed as a white ethnic you know,
as wol most of the elites and the Latin American countries. Frankly,
you know, like I I didn't. I didn't decide that
that's you know, it's like, uh, like, does that mean
Chris Christie is not white? You know, or something like
I like I said, it's not even if I consider
that sort of that sort of broad stroke sensibility to
be categorically misguided, you know, for historical reasons or whatever.
I mean that that's that's the way Americans look at it.
You know. It's like if I if Maduro only spoke
English and if he lived in like Terry Hood, Indiana,
he'd be white. But because uh, he invokes this kind
of perfunctory radical language and he's in Venezuela, that makes
him that that makes him Hispanic. Like I I okay,
I mean, that's that's still retard thing.
Speaker 1: But I think I think another one of the things
that like upsets people. And yeah, I'll say I'll say
this sometimes on my streams and people will bring up like,
you know, radical Islam and everything like that. I'm like,
I don't, look, man, I'm not going to have the
opinion of Islam of a boomer after.
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's like I look, I read about the
history of it, and people are like, well, they tried
to they tried a conquest. You know, it was like
they took over Europe, they took over Spain for seven
hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's what groups do.
Speaker 3: That's what like, you know, I'm that hysterical old woman.
So I don't think that that's like scary and bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean it's like, okay, so so
you're talking about conquest by conquest of a land. Okay,
it makes it scary because they did it, according to
because they also talked about their own religion in doing it.
It's like, well, what's the conquest of this of this
country where you put the freakin the Indian, the Native
American you know the native to heal. Well, what's that
that's like? Because what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Well? Also they don't understand one of the few. It's
a problematic movie because it's bad history and it's asinine
in all kinds of ways. But I do like the
scene in Kingdom of Heaven where self Hadeen meets Baldwin
the Fourth. You know, everybody respected Salhadeen, you know, bald
In the Fourth did, Richard the Lionheart did? He was
he was a great man, you know, And this idea
there was comparable noon ever has the Saracens and the
Umiad cal If They were very different people's but in
this he always idea too that Spain was assaulted one
day like and it was like the opening of the
movie Conan or something, and then the Spanish were enslaved
by these like evil Moslims for a millennia. That's not
how things played out, you know, and the recome Quista
took place over centuries. But they you know, there was
a distance between people's as there always is on sectarian
grounds and criteria. But it's not like it's not the
Spaniards hated the Mauslems and vice versa. You know, it's
not it's that it's just not how things shook out.
And what's also too, I mean, in Islam, shouldn't even
be on your radar in a hostile capacity if if
you're some American rando, you know, and it's just it's
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Well it's just a Jewish.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just as Zionists and the Jews deflecting
away from themselves. It's like this whole thing with you know,
when Thomas Massey goes on Tucker Carlson and says, look,
literally everybody has an apac candler except me and like
two other people, and then all of a sudden it's like,
oh no, it's Qatar.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. What's also I mean, if you're gonna
be a bigot, you know, at least be a bigot
in favor of your own people, like going around pretending
you're Jewish and deciding I'm gonna be a bigot against
people that an ethnic group I'm not part of doesn't like,
I mean, there's something that's like prison bitch level behavior,
like like it really is, you know, there's something totally
contrived about it. Well, people if they don't understand the
subject matter, either, I guarantee these guys have never they've
never studied Islam, They've never you know, they've never hung
around Islamic scholars, they've never spent time in a mosque,
you know, during any sort of interfaith activity. Plus, it's
not a singular Islam you're talking about. You're talking about
myriad sex that encompass over a billion human beings of
all races. You know. And if I showed you there's
this Bosnia chick uh who works at my home away
from home, like my lunching cocktail spot. This lady's got
coloring like mine? Like, is she not white because she's
a because she's a Bosmian? Do you like, do it
stop being white? If you know you're uh, your your
ancestors are Bosniak Sunies.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the King of Jordan's Yeah, that's
a white guy.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, ditto with Sad. Yeah. I mean I think
I think the alloys are probably a culted Christian. But
that's a complicated question, you know, And don't get me wrong.
I Uh, I mean Islam's in an oriental faith. I mean,
there there's nothing wrong with that. It just is, you know,
I I give I think in the case of somebody
like Rene Gunn't there's a character type or psychological type. Rather,
there's probably a better way to describe it. Of occidental man,
you know, like Laurens Arabia is another one, or like
the like the like the Kurts sort of trope of
the white man who goes native. You know, he's he's
a he's taken in with fascination for the orient so
he he quite literally comes to embody their cultural perceptions
and things, you know. And you know it also lived
in he he lived in in in Islamic society, basically
his whole little life, you know. I mean, I he
wasn't just some guy went shopping for religion, and I
mean he was he was the definition of of a
pious mazla. I mean he clearly was animated by some
sort of spiritual awakening in that direction. I mean, I
always hope people come to come back to Christ and
Islam is an incomplete understanding of logos and revelation. But
I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and if if
God speaks to a man through Islam, I'm not who
am I to say that that's wrong? You know? But
so I can't I can't imagine being a white man
and converting to Islam, you know, or an occidental anglophone man.
But that and I mean culture isn't race. I mean
like we established like Ethnos and race or two different things.
But there this idea that there's not white Moslims is ridiculous.
Point as to why he dropped the n y not
just because it's bad theology, but he said, you know,
some of those pious Moslims he met when he when
he made Hodge, we're white men. Yeah, go ahead, Well.
Speaker 1: Something you said there about how God can God can
speak to them through through even this incomplete belief.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 1: You will hear people say, you know, oh well that
they'll talk about how before Christ came, that God spoke
through all the people, through nature, through you know, through
many different ways. But then it's like that doesn't exist anymore.
It's like God can't reach somebody with the truth through
a false faith right now. You know, that's almost because
because oh this war happened, or these towers got knocked down,
or you know, this crew, you know they had to
do this crusade because of this and everything. It's like
do you trust do you trust that God? Works or
do you not? Do you think he just went to
sleep after Christ? After Christ?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the world, the ambitions and human affairs can somehow
de real God's plan or something it's ridiculous, or can
derail the cutting of reason or the logos itself. No,
I mean, don't don't get me wrong. People have every
right to criticize Islam and intelligent capacities. But that's the
all thing. These fools that they they don't know a
thing about the subject matter. It's like, I don't I
don't like Islam qua Islam because of memes and because
some Somali guy is still my bicycle, So that guy
is Islam, you know. I mean it's it's moronic, you know,
and but it's also too. I mean, I think a
lot of people claim I was thinking about this. It
seems like a silly example, but it it's sort of
triggered this thought in my mind that that that that
creepy goofy halftime show by Toilet Paper USA where the
head kid Rock who I call old guy lame because
he's not a kid who rocks. He's like this fucking
old guy who's lame. But he's uh, he's doing this
like trashy churchyanity kind of you know, what's what's let's
praise Jesus thing, like like the only majority of Americans
don't they don't. They don't understand religiosity for reasons like
Wolfgang Smith said, and and like Marcilii and and a
lot of the in and a lot of the a
lot of the radical traditionalists also discussed, there's not there's
not the the mainstream American culture is not an environment
where true religiosity can flourish. So well, like that's why
one of the that's that's why there's this population and
and thankfully I believe it's dying out. But these uh,
these Ted Cruz type race traders helots, they there's no
actual substance or religious practice or spiritual practice to what
these people are into. You could tell them that the
Bible tells you how to like repair a Honda Civic.
They'd be like, yeah, yeah, I worship with the Honda Civic.
They have no idea. They don't care. Like Churchianity is
a real thing. It's I go to a building and
this kind of weird guy gives a motivational speech and
then at the start in the end we say a
prayer like that's it, you know, so, and I think
intrinsic to that. I know, intrinsic to that is this
sort of instinctive hostility to actual religious practice. You know.
It's it's not just because of the helots and the lookie
box tells them what's correct as a bi Zionist prejudices
and things. But it's also if they see a pious
Maslam or an Orthodox guy who takes his faith real seriously,
or a Bible Protestant like me who cites Scripture, they
think that that suus and that, oh, that guy's too religious.
You know he's not. He's being weird. He's probably homophobic
or has weird ideas about women or something. I mean
that that's what's coded into it too. So you can
tell a lot about people if they got the seconds
think of hatred of what they think is Islam. In
part that's uh, you just got their degenerate moderns and
their default setting is to attack people who, you know,
bide something higher than man. And there really is to
a culture of narcissism, like main character syndrome is a
real thing or player one syndrome. I'm old, so I
don't know all of these sort of catch phrases and
memes that that is a real thing, you know, and
it has been for a minute, Christopher Last wrote to
look Dad in the late seventies. So instinctive to the
psychology some of these people is my bullshit and my
worldly concerns. And what I'm into is the center of
the universe. And if you don't acknowledge that, if you
put something above man and above what I value, that's
offensive to me because that diminishes, you know, what I
perceive is my more importance. You know, Symbolic psychology really
animates a lot of what men and women do. That's
what the reason I cite Young a lot and increase.
I've developed more, not less respect for him as I've aged.
And it's pretty rare because I mean not because I
I've got any great insight or anything, because I don't,
but anybody who is diligent in their studies and their research,
if anything, your respect for some of the these thinkers
diminishes as you develop a more complete understanding of the
subject matter, and you just develop more mature thought patterns,
as you know, like a fifty or sixty year old
man or woman, you know, But that's uh. I mean,
there's there's a lot to take away from young and
that's valuable, but onto logically, that's a point of continuing
emphasis throughout its entire body of work, is that symbolic
psychology looms tremendously large and in the human mind and soul,
you know, and that that explains a lot. That's one
of the reasons why pre rational propaganda that appeals to
pre rational impulses are so is so powerful. I mean
that that's and that's that's that's my pornography of of
all kinds, is at base and exercise in propaganda. The
whole point is that there it is pre rational in
terms of what aspects of mind it stimulates. But yeah,
and I one of the reasons to bring it back,
I'm sorry if that was scattershot and randly what one
of the reasons I I think OGC is a positive
thing is not just because many of my dear friends
populated and were instrumental in establishing it, but it really
is a catalyst for building social capital, and from the
ranks of those sorts of fraternal organizations and things, that's
where one can poach vanguardists. In part I've I got
a few different strategies on how I reach out to
people and through what. But also, I mean a lot
of people reach out to me, and it's not it's
not because I'm handsome and can sing and dance because
I because I can't, And I'm not because I'm so smart.
If you put yourself out there and are receptive to
people in a way, they perceive a sincere they'll seek
you out. You know. It's it's not as if this
is just some one side of the fair. And like
what I was talking about, we're not knocking on glors
trying to be that Jehovah's witnesses or or some insurance salesman.
I was about saying Groundhog day to day. Except what
my favorite movies and uh, I mean, there's so many
great scenes in that, but uh, like the Neda Ryerson scenes,
it's nid Ryerson like that that guy. That guy just
embodies like a certain tight But yeah, I'll go ahead.
You're to say something.
Speaker 1: Sure, I genuinely don't know what your answer is going
to be to this, but since we're since we're pissing
off a lot of people, I'll just go for it.
Do you think Islam is compatible like, if you were
constructing a society, would you would you want Muslims to
be a part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I take the view that Ante Pavolch did, and
that Joan von Leers did, and and that did and
Francis YACKI did you know, I don't. I mean maybe
this is easier for me too, because again, like I
my confession, my confessional heritage, and in America, one thing
I do agree with you, Michael Jones about in America,
your confession is really your ethnos in substantial ways, not completely. Obviously,
your ethnos is a pastiche of iudentitarian factors, but it's
not it's highly significant, Okay. I mean, maybe this is
easier for me to deal with because I'm always the minority,
at least where I'm at. You know, it's Islam is
a profound historical force, one of the most profound of
the last you know, fifteen hundred to two thousand years.
It's a civilizing influence on many there to force savage peoples.
I mean always is a manner falling that that's not
some slam on less developed they're more limited people, the
different races and different strengths and weaknesses there's nothing wrong
with it. But yeah, nobody can explagate to me why
I'm supposed to hate Islam. I mean, I've I'm something
of an orientalist. I think everybody knows I've got I've
got positive esteem for Islam. But even if I didn't,
you know, I like, it's it's an alien faith. It's
it's cool to be ruled by Zionists and in this
polyglot social engineering project. But it's like the bridge too
far is to have like Muslims in your living space
like that, I don't understand that, but no, I it. Plus,
it's not binary the kinds of people who the kinds
of people I esteem and you know, in terms of
their confessional orientation and their ethnos. It's not people are
white and and and reformed like me, or they're bad.
You know. It's like I I don't. I don't look
at like an all a white guy's racially white, or
like a Japanese Shindo practitioner like I do, some guy
from Haiti us into voodoo. Like that's not the way
I look at things, you know. And like I said,
I'd take it more. I take it more seriously. If
these people who came at me with that kind of stuff.
They're literally just relying on memes and bullshit, or they
they've decided to characterize things such as the engineer ethnic
cleansing of Europe occupied Europe as this this entity called
Islam that's making this happen or something. You know, it's
it's asinine. So no, but also, I mean, my the
reason why I cited sail And and the sort of
neo secessionist movement moving forward, the way life's gonna look
on the ground in America, It's like, okay, this hood
is like ninety nine when I sent black. You know,
this one is a white nationalist coding. You know, this
one is a you know, maybe mixed race about certain qualifications.
Everybody's got to be Catholic. You know. Maybe over here
is a bunch of crazy liberals that you know, are
don't know what the fuck they're doing in life. But
if they want to have their little jonestown of them,
you know, of Middle America or whatever, I don't care.
As long as they don't try and disturb me, and
as long as uh, you know they they I don't
have to see them or deal with them, and know
the can force me to interact with them. And these
days the regime can't really do that. I mean, all
the aspects that facilitate the dad or going away. You know,
labor is totally changed. You don't you don't. You don't
go work in a factory where thirty thousand people work,
or go work in a massive office complex sixty hours
a week anymore. You don't send your kid to public school.
If you do, you're an idiot, frankly, and that's child abuse.
But also, I mean, that's that's dying out. Policing is
dying out. That's really a lot of what underlies the
lead that the decriminalization of weed. And honestly, that's not
the whole story. There's other factors that play there too.
But this idea of arresting people for having a bag
of weed, that's that's over. You know, there's some locals
where it's not. But it's still my point. Okay. You know,
here I'm not think this is a particularly good thing.
But you can smoke weed openly and no one's going
to do aning about it. You know, at this in
this town in ten See, if you light up a joint,
you get arrested and thrown in jail. Okay, well, it's
their prerogative, you know, like I told you before even
instances here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one thing that I like one of
the last interviews I ever did with like some libertarian
wanted to interview me about like you know why why
I would reject it? And I'm like, because you're forcing
your You're like, oh, all this should be legal, and
you're for You don't realize that you're forcing it upon
people like there are two there are groups of people.
There are locations that you're gonna be like, well, we
don't want gambling here, we don't want we here, and
you're telling them, you're forcing them to say, yeah, we
have to have this.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's you nothing's universalist.
Speaker 3: No, well no, And it's also yeah, the whole point,
the whole point of uh, this perspective, but this decession
as perspective is you can't make me live next door
to la like a strip. You know, you can't make
me you can't say it's illegal for me to put
a restrictive covenant on my real estate. You know. It's uh, yeah,
I mean that that's the whole point. And it's not
I mean, it's just not feasible people don't understand either.
I think some people are starting that this sort of
understanding is being a trickle down a bit, just because
as the twenty first century proceeds, the rearview mirror what
appears in their verbially looks more and more remote and
kind of alien. The twentieth century was totally bizarre and
totally anomalous in all kinds of ways, and regimes like
the New Dealer regime, these mass experiments and as social
engineering tyranny like the Soviet Union. That stuff will never
happen again because it's totally anomalous, and the conditions that
gave rise to those modalities were totally anomalous, and every
everything about it look it how bizarre World War One was.
I was talking about that the other day because I
got the bug to write more fiction about a month ago,
so I've been working on that intermittently, and I was
watching this. This sounds incredibly geeky, but I was watching this.
I was watching this old British documentary on the on
the Mark one tank. You know that was that that
was the first tank. It was that monstrosity that first
got fielded at at the Somme, the Somber her done
somebody in the comments. I'm sure will c I'm kind
of fascinated by the Great War just because I mean,
it was a hugely significant conflict, but it's how hellish
it was. But that industrial slaughter and I missed, uh
a total mobilization of you know, the infantry element is
fascinating and and just coded for inevitable blood bath. And uh,
I'm in uh, I'm in the minority. I I think
I think the US Army was I think some of
the best forces that ever fielded were the where the
AF and I think person is the best general America
ever produced. But I also think the Vietnam War army
was was great too in certain respects. But point being,
I'm uh, I was watching this for a reason because
and uh, the I'm writing a it's sort of a
The timeline is not linear in Steel Storm because in
part it, you know, it deals with the storical epos
and things and how the pass impacts the future and
things like this, so you know, the timeline hops around.
But uh, what's this? This this this Steel Storm book
is called nineteen seventy nine because in substantial measure it
tells the story is Cyril Larsh who's the Chicago Police
homicide cop. But it also there's a section that deals
with the Battle of Saint Louis when Billy Wong becomes
he begins his career as a warlord, you know, ultimately
becomes the Great Cohn after War Day, but Vestigeal government
forces engage engage Billy Wong was army at the ruins
of Saint Louis and it turns into this World War
One kind of slug. So I'm trying to put myself
in that sort of headspace conceptually, but I was, I was.
I wasn't trying to be that guy and just like
plug my ship, but I that was that was the context.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna let you get out of here.
I'm gonna go have some lunch. Thank thank you for this,
and I will encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack.
It's real Thomas seven seven seven dot subsack dot com
at his website, Uh Thomas seven seven seven dot com.
The t is a seven and you can connect with
him and get everything there. So at both of those places,
So again, thank you, Thomas, appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Biddy