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I'm here 24 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:56,159 with Thomas and uh, we're going to take a little 25 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,840 break from the thirty Years War series and talk of 26 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,439 something that is a subject that always comes up. It 27 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,959 is how do you put this inse of practice practice? 28 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: So Thomas scottead, yeah, this the friend of ours called 29 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,159 me the other day on the phone. I'm not gonna 30 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:21,879 name him. I don't think he'd mind if his name 31 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,919 was out there, but I obviously I'm not gonna do 32 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,639 so with anybody unless I check with him first. But 33 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:36,240 he's an independently wealthy guy, and his notion is he 34 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:42,400 wants to develop something of a political action committee that's 35 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:48,800 dedicated towards getting candidates in the local office, you know. 36 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,840 And I told him, well, you know, I know something 37 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:59,199 about political theory and I know something about revolutionary practice. 38 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,360 I think it's going to be clear. I'm not navigating 39 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,000 people break the law, and because I never do that, 40 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,639 and I certainly don't break the law. But his big 41 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 in and don't get me wrong, his program is correct. 42 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,400 The way he's approaching this local is all that matters. 43 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:19,319 That's the whole point. And null vacationion is secession is 44 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,800 the way forward. I mean that's happening anyway. I'll get 45 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:28,080 into what I mean by that momentarily. His primary concern though, 46 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,400 is how how do you vet people? Basically, He's like, 47 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,319 the problem is that the kinds of people who are 48 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,879 attracted to political office, and particularly people who hold themselves 49 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:46,400 out as being dissident sympathetic, they're almost unfailingly people who 50 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:50,520 came through the pipeline as something like TPUSA, you know, 51 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:58,479 or they're nominal independence, particularly if that sells locally. But 52 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,400 in reality, you know, they have their own agendas, either 53 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,719 because the ideologically committed the imperatives that they're not disclosing, 54 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,639 or because they've been bought by any number of NGOs 55 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:14,960 or packs. And I mean to be clear to them, 56 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,319 and I'm not sure people fully understand this. The days 57 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,639 when moneyed people or social registered types would run for 58 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:26,800 office or something to do like I'm not saying that's 59 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,319 a great system either, but that doesn't really happen anymore. 60 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:34,279 These guys and these ladies who who decide in a 61 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:38,439 political career, it's a way of making money, and that's 62 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,040 why they do it, you know. I mean, obviously they 63 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,519 want some kind of presence in media and things too, 64 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,920 and I'm sure they find that gratifying, but you're not. 65 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,800 You're not dealing with the sons of some rich guy 66 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,560 or something. If you get approached by these people like, hey, 67 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,759 I want to be out front, you know, I want 68 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:01,000 to run for counselmen or oldermen or something or state senator. 69 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:04,720 They're doing it because they want money, Okay, and uh, 70 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:11,120 it's that simple. So what I told our friend, you know, 71 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:17,480 I you you've got to look within your own cadre. 72 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,720 And if you don't have a cadre locally, that's what 73 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,519 you need to build. It can't be this anonymous thing 74 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,920 where it's hey, I'm shouting out some sort of recruitment 75 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,959 drive for people, for strangers who share my political values. 76 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,040 You know, let's let's all get on this team. You 77 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:36,319 can't do it that way, you know. I come back 78 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,759 to example of Gusty Spence a lot, not because I 79 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,360 want people to blow things up or shoot people, obviously, 80 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,720 but his old point. I mean to be clear, we 81 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,759 proverbially and metaphorically speaking, we do need a ballot box 82 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,240 and armalate strategy. But I don't mean that in terms 83 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,680 of illegality. I shouldn't need to say that, but I know, 84 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,040 there's slow learners and police who watch this stuff. But 85 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,399 you know what it'd Spence say when he was behind 86 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:08,199 the walls. He said, when young loyalist show up in 87 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,199 the Maze prison, he'd say why are you here? And 88 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,439 they progress some answer like well, you know, I killed 89 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:18,480 a Fenian or I planted a bomb, or I'm here 90 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,199 because I'm defending my people, and Spence I just say, no, no, no, no, no, 91 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,879 why why are you here? Why are you doing these things? 92 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,079 You know, because he said that even well meaning and 93 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,720 gain mature men who couldn't but immature men who couldn't 94 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:40,279 articulate that they're a liability, you know. And similarly, that's 95 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,240 kind of the way you need to approach people within 96 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:46,720 this process, which again is you know, a ballot box strategy. 97 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,839 It's you know, we're we're not talking about anything illegal 98 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:56,800 or subversive of due process in fundamental ways. But you know, 99 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,439 that's the best answer I could give. You know what 100 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:05,279 I realized too, I was in kind of a weird 101 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,000 point in my life when I was out in Baltimore, 102 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:13,600 in Gaithersburg. I mean, I was fortunate because I built 103 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,040 a Cadre Air and it developed very spontaneously so I 104 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,240 met these guys and girls who'd invite me and a 105 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:23,959 lady friend of mine out to Harper's Ferry, which is 106 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:26,040 a really beautiful part of the country. It's probably my 107 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,480 favorite part of the country other than the Pacific Northwest. 108 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,160 It's just awesome. I mean, I love everything about Virginia. 109 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,040 But in any event, my buddy was he wasn't any 110 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,079 I mean, he was fairly well off. He was a 111 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,639 widowed guy in his fifties, longtime military veteran and a 112 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,199 trade mean as a carpenter who was basically retired. But 113 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,120 he had this big property and like we'd shoot, we'd barbecue. 114 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,720 He liked having my buddy's wife around and my lady 115 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,399 friend around because I think it was kind of a 116 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,240 lonely guy, and you know, we've widowed and stuff. Very 117 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,360 nice thing, man, you know, and I spent holidays and 118 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:08,920 and stuff. But we started inviting the local deputy sheriff 119 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,519 who we'd see driving by, you know, because it was 120 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,120 basically had this dead end. I mean this guy literally 121 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,519 in the middle of the woods. So this police he'd 122 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,319 pull in and then he'd like wave at us, and 123 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:22,759 then you know, like do a three point turn and 124 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,720 pull out. So like one time we told the girls, 125 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,680 like he just ask him if he wants to come in, 126 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:30,959 you know and hang out for a minute. I mean, 127 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,879 I realized he can't have a beer or anything. But yeah, 128 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,720 he came in and talked to us, and we started 129 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,679 inviting him back. He was a perfectly nice guy. He's 130 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,600 not the kind of guy. He wouldn't have been at 131 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,919 the top of my list to go hang out with 132 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,440 on a Friday night to like pick up girls or something, 133 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:46,720 or already go to a ball game. But he was 134 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,720 a civilized dude. But the point is we got to 135 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:51,799 know this guy well, and a couple of times he 136 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,759 came over off duty to shoot with us, and he 137 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,000 did have some beers, you know, and he knew what 138 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:03,039 we were about, you know. And by the time I left, Uh, 139 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,000 this guy had become very instilling. He first of all, 140 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,600 I become used to us. Not that I mean all 141 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:09,080 we're doing was shooting and stuff. We weren't raising hell 142 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:12,320 in a way that would have brought down the ire 143 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,240 of the law. But uh, you know, it's some stuff 144 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:20,279 as simple as that, you know, as uh so, had 145 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,279 I stayed in Harper's Ferry, you know, the local police 146 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,000 when they'd see me, they would have been like, oh, 147 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,679 that's Thomas. You know, someone's you know, corporal so and 148 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,919 so knows him, you know, and he's okay. I mean, 149 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,960 it's stuff like that, you know. And from there other 150 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:39,600 things develop, and you know a lot of places too, 151 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,879 like the groundwork's already here, like my my guy was 152 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:49,120 talking to he's in Oklahoma. And you know, these mother 153 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,480 Jones types, they they'll they'll make a big issue out 154 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,320 of saying places in Oklahoma. Similarly in vid or Texas, 155 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,600 they'll say, oh, there was this was a sundown town 156 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,440 until the nineties. That's actually true, you know. And then 157 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:09,600 when they got when when injunctions got levied against them 158 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,799 by you know, some of these dedicated civil rights and 159 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:17,200 g o is, they started doing things locally, like just 160 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:23,080 aggressively enforcing speed traps. So if some non local who 161 00:10:23,159 --> 00:10:28,399 was causing trouble or somebody was obviously an NGO functionary 162 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:34,879 anytime they anytime they cross the border into that jurisdiction, 163 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,679 they'd get pulled over and given a two hundred dollars 164 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,360 ticket for driving four over the speed. It's the way 165 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,120 you think it meant. People's lives miserable without running a 166 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:47,200 foul of a federal court in junction or the or 167 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:50,600 the Civil Rights Act and things like that. You know, 168 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:57,000 but you know, I this is happening all around us anyway. 169 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:01,799 I really like un idea. I think he's still alive, 170 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:05,000 but I don't. He's got to be in his nineties, 171 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:10,159 so I doubt he's still speaking and writing regularly. But 172 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:16,000 Kirkpatrick Sale, he got he gets unfairly lumped in with 173 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,279 with libertarians, and that that's not accurate for those who 174 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,679 don't know Kirkpatrick Sale. He wrote a lot about the 175 00:11:23,799 --> 00:11:27,440 Articles of Confederation from a historical perspective, but he was 176 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:31,879 kind of this old hippie. He wrote a book. It 177 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:37,159 was one part expose, a one part sort of documentary 178 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,159 in history Students for Democratic Society, and it was fairly neutral. 179 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,440 It's interesting because people on the right tend to look 180 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:49,799 at it as being sympathetic and tending to acquit the 181 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,360 excesses of these SDS creeps. People in that SDS camp 182 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,840 viewed it as a hit piece of swords. It's so 183 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:02,919 he's an independent thinker and around the time that Busch 184 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,120 forty three administration, he started collaborating with the guys in 185 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:09,120 the League of the South, and he took on a 186 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,919 lot of neo secessionist commitments, and of course this put 187 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,039 him on the shit list of SPLC and things. But 188 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,960 I've got a lot of respect for the League of 189 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:25,120 the South guys, and especially in the two thousands. They 190 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:30,279 were early adapters. They had an outsized presence on the 191 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:35,000 Internet in the Usenet days, and you know, some years beyond. 192 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:42,320 But you know, Kirkpatrick Sale, I think his last major 193 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,039 book was published in two thousand and seven, but he 194 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,279 made the point a lot that the Articles of Confederation. Yeah, 195 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,320 there's aspects of it, obviously, it are just kind of 196 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,879 trivial historical curiosities. But that's not the way to look 197 00:12:57,919 --> 00:12:59,720 at it. The way to look at it is that 198 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:03,960 that that's really what's normative for America, you know, and 199 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:13,120 even what the right wing traditionally was. We talked about 200 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:16,519 Nolty the other day because I was fascinated and I 201 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:22,840 remained so by his suggestion that the modern right and 202 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:31,399 left paradigm was really established by the War between the States, 203 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:37,039 and beyond that what was the old right. I mean, 204 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:45,960 obviously the loss causes the lost cause because it secession 205 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:58,080 failed but that sensibility of forcing the federal apparatus to 206 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:02,879 recognize local autonomy. That really was characteristic of the old Right, 207 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,039 you know, and the what really was the tie that 208 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:16,120 binded all these guys, you know, whether it was Murray 209 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:26,039 Rothbard or or Seawright Mills or Burnham, who in some 210 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,000 ways was a standard bearer of old Right principles when 211 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:38,519 those principles were no longer acceptable in beltway circles. Harry 212 00:14:38,519 --> 00:14:43,279 Elmer Barnes. Ideologically diverse as these guys were, it was 213 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:49,200 hostility to the New Deal, which was a revolutionary paradigm, 214 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:55,240 and it changed everything about the way American life is 215 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:02,840 structured politically, sociologically, economically. That's coming to an end now 216 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:06,919 because it needed the Cold War to sustain itself. I mean, 217 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,480 part of that's part. Part of it's just the process 218 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:19,919 of history. I a twentieth century style labor paradigm, labor 219 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:25,159 and capital paradigm. I think it's necessary to conceptually sustain 220 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:32,399 something like that, that managerial apparatus. But this is coming 221 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:35,480 to an end. So this idea that it's a fool's 222 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,399 errand to talk about nullification or de facto secession. People 223 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:43,320 who talk that way aren't really in the game, you know, 224 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:50,159 and so I think that's important. That's the way, that's 225 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,519 why people need to approach this. It's totally different for 226 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:59,440 people in occupied Europe or people in the United Kingdom, 227 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:03,840 or our friends in Australia, in New Zealand and what 228 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,919 have you. But the American situation, you know, that's that's 229 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,000 the way forward, and that's that's how people should be 230 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,639 oriented anyway. I mean, the the end game is a 231 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,679 posterity of our people and the rebuilding of a communitarian 232 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,559 life that's perennial, but that you know, one hand was 233 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:31,960 with the other probially that's what facilitates nulli vacation and 234 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:38,240 the facto secession and vice versa. You know, And a 235 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 lot of this is happening spontane Go ahead. 236 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me throw this at you, because this is 237 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,240 what you'll what you'll hear from from our guys and 238 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,519 even I mean, like our guys. They have this argument 239 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,679 that as soon as you have the facto secession or 240 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:57,480 any secession at all, any kind of balkanization, the left wins, 241 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,480 the commis win, that gives them all the power. Like 242 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,759 and it almost seems like the argument as well if 243 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:08,079 we split up, we you know, we divide our power. 244 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: It's like we're not where do you think we're united? 245 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,640 Who is united? 246 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,759 Speaker 3: Well, it's also not the way I mean the pattern 247 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,119 one needs to emulate is uh well, first of all, 248 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,279 there is no there is no army of the left, 249 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,400 you know, like I was talking to our dear friend 250 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:34,039 Christians to court. You know that was a Generoy six 251 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,759 prisoner the other day on my pod. You know, we 252 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:40,680 were talking about the left. The Sorosynk left is ten 253 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:44,039 thousand miles wide and a quarter centimeter deep. There's there's 254 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:49,960 nothing there, you know. First of all, it's they can 255 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,640 they can. They can pay people or or or agitate 256 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,799 them into setting fires and throwing bricks through windows and stuff. 257 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,279 But where where is this organic left that is you know, 258 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:08,279 broad community supporting consists of you know, a cohesive communitarian 259 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:14,480 structure that acts, you know, with directive, directed purpose and 260 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,039 in some spontaneous organic capacity. Secondly, the whole look at 261 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,839 what people like shin fein irated did they say we're 262 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:28,599 gonna We're going to join the Labor Party and elect 263 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,319 the right guys to the House of Commons, And you know, 264 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,599 then we're we're gonna tell the Prime Minister were mad 265 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,720 at him. No, what they did was they took, uh, 266 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:48,960 they took the Catholic heartlands place like the Falls Road, 267 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,240 you know, and and made it essentially said the Crown 268 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:59,079 simply couldn't enforce outcomes on the ground like they were period. 269 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,640 So the police literally couldn't get in there, you know. 270 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,799 So and then it begs the question too, this isn't 271 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,599 nineteen fifty eight. I mean, look at what when when 272 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:19,480 some when some punk ass nobody mayor in Portland thumbs 273 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,400 his nose to the president says I'm not going to 274 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,599 allow the National Guard here. When what happens? Nothing happens? 275 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,279 You know, this idea that oh, if some you know, 276 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,920 if some back to the land type community got too big, 277 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:40,960 or if some you know, de facto secessionist community got 278 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,440 in the radar of the regime, like what are they 279 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,559 gonna do, like sending one hundred to first Airborn Division 280 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:50,160 and murder everybody, like that's not viable anymore, or something 281 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:54,200 like you know, integration at Little Gunpoint, that's not vible anymore. 282 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:59,480 That's done, you know. So. I mean a lot of 283 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,799 this is how or the East, but a lot of 284 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,839 it too. I think a lot of these people really 285 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,160 don't leave their house. I'm not just trying to be 286 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,240 a dick when I say that. I think some of 287 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:13,000 these guys and it's, you know, I think they they 288 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:14,559 go to some office a few days a week and 289 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,599 the rest of the time they work remotely. They have 290 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,119 no idea who their next door neighbors are. They go 291 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,119 to some gym where they don't talk to anybody. They 292 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,119 maybe they have a wife or girlfriend, but they don't 293 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,000 have any friends in common, you know. I mean, it's 294 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,640 these people their perception, and they live in some geography 295 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,759 and nowhere town and no one's actually from so their 296 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:43,759 whole perception of this is from a perspective of splendid alienation, 297 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:48,319 and they don't understand what's actually happening at ground level. 298 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:51,599 I'm not trying to say like I'm so smart or something, 299 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:57,160 but I live at ground zero of racial and ethnic balkanization. 300 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,799 And I've spent half the year literally on a bus 301 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:05,079 going all over this country and just chilling with people. 302 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,839 You know, And uh, I can disembark anywhere in the 303 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,759 connon of the United States. I probably couldn't Alaska too. Why, 304 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,359 I don't know nobody. But I can literally hop off 305 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,880 a greyhound anywhere in this country, shout something out on 306 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,319 social media or send a few texts, and within fifty 307 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:32,200 one hundred miles they'll be friendly people end up buying 308 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 I could crash on their couch, or they'd be only 309 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,640 gonna come pick me up and take me to the 310 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,400 train station or something that is incredible, and that would 311 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,640 have been unthinkable even fifteen years ago. You know, so 312 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:46,880 this stuff's already happening. Like I realize I'm not talking 313 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,359 to people who are into our shit when they're like okay, 314 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,079 but you know, how do you make this happen? It's 315 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,559 like it's already happening. If you don't realize that you're 316 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:58,119 not in the game, you're some guy in the internet 317 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,519 just kind of observing shit, you know. I mean, I 318 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,119 guess that that's one of the things that separates the 319 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,039 Old Fighters from the band Waggers. I mean, but it's especially. 320 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,279 Speaker 1: It is a you know, it's the kind of people 321 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,440 that you you invite to do stuff in real life 322 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,319 and they're like, well, you're gonna dox me. 323 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: You're I'm gonna. 324 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: Get doxed if you If it's like this, the secret 325 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,960 police are hiding in your toilet. 326 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:38,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean I don't know that. It's why, 327 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:42,480 you know, when you talk about a vanguard, and when 328 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,279 you put a vanguard together, you have to be really 329 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:50,079 suspicious of people calling it, you know, who are trying 330 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,720 to get in a vanguard, who are like plan trusters, 331 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:57,000 like yeah, you know, like Trump, it was a miracle 332 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,960 Trump got you know, Trump didn't get shot in Butler, Pennsylvania. 333 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,759 It's a miracle, and now he's gonna save us, and 334 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:05,079 it's like what. 335 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: What's Also I realized too some of these people I 336 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,039 saw me at I Michael Jones the other day on 337 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,599 my pod and I was recounting when I went to 338 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,559 when we went to American Renaissance, which is not my 339 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,480 scene at all. You know, I went there because there's 340 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,279 people who I got a lot of love for who 341 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:29,400 were there, and the youngsters wanted me to come, and 342 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,319 which is great. You know, that's uh, I go hang 343 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,880 out with them guys. If we were just like sitting 344 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:42,279 around peeling potatoes or something, but probably havings. Some people 345 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:43,960 came up to me and it's clear they had no 346 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,119 idea what I was into or what I write about. 347 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,599 They seem to think I was some like mega guy 348 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,920 who tells like racial jokes or something, or that I 349 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,759 was like some huge Republican or that, uh or I 350 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,119 don't even know. They were just saying like random goofy 351 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,720 stuff to me, you know, like, oh, you're you're that 352 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:03,920 guy who's not afraid city in word, Like what are 353 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,079 you talking about? Like who are you? You know? Like 354 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,079 it uh you know, so, I mean there's but that's 355 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,640 uh to a lot of these people, it's it's just 356 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,079 kind of like they're they're there. It's it's it's just 357 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,640 kind of like an entertainment hobby. They're not any different 358 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:27,799 than these these goofy redditors who uh you know, I mean, 359 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,559 admittedly they they're probably more functional than them and David 360 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,960 a capacities, but they're they're just like Internet. They're just 361 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,240 like Internet shut ins who you know, who who think 362 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,119 that there's some uh subculture of sharing memes and and 363 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,039 like telling like nigger jokes or something. 364 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: Do you know how many people? 365 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,599 Speaker 1: Or like yeah, I mean I'd like to talk to 366 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,720 Thomas on my show, but you know, it's like I 367 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,319 don't know how he'd feel about you know, Like I'm 368 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,279 like Italian or something like that. I'm like, Thomas has 369 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,000 one enemy. Thomas always talks about the fact that there's 370 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,240 only one enemy. If you have I mean, at this point, 371 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,960 if you are looking, if if you're looking at any 372 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,839 one other then international Jewelry and Zionism as the enemy, 373 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,400 you're I don't know what the fuck to do with you. 374 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 3: Well that and it's also I mean the big thing 375 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,400 most people trash me on is that, you know, like 376 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:31,680 I I'm polite to non white people and stuff. You know, Like, 377 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:41,079 I mean, obviously the people I'm closest with are you know, 378 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,160 are people within our own culture. But I mean I'm 379 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,279 a minority on the ground anyway, man, like the whole. 380 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,039 So I think Michael Jones is right about he doesn't 381 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,559 understand stuff like reform prosimism like at all. But when 382 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:59,480 he talks about how on at scale, like in disson 383 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,799 in space is it's a bunch of it's a bunch 384 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,839 of Catholic and Orthodox and Moslem guys. I mean that's true. 385 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:13,000 So it's different in the South. But you know, obviously 386 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,519 our cadres, uh, you know, a vanguardist cadres with a 387 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:23,359 minority down there too. Even if people are nominally confessionally 388 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:25,759 related to people like me. But I'm I'm I'm, I'm 389 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,240 I'm the minority everywhere man, you know, I'm I'm like 390 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:34,160 the I'm the anglophone, proud guy. Am I the guys 391 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,119 in my local or a bunch of Catholic which is great. 392 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,440 I don't feel weird about there or something. But yeah, 393 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,400 it's you know, but this is another It's another example 394 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,480 of people not not actually following what I do. I mean, 395 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:51,559 not not that I'm so important and they should, but 396 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,039 it's if you think I'm like if you think I'm 397 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:58,319 like mister nigger heater man, or mister or mister like 398 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,119 autistic nordous system man, it's like it's obviously you've never 399 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,640 read anything I wrote, you know, And yeah, I don't know. 400 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,599 I don't have any interest in that. What's also too, 401 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,720 I mean, if you're not if you're not down for 402 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,920 your race, there's something wrong with you. It's not you 403 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,960 don't base your entire life around your race. That's weird 404 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,680 and it's something that the eascinated, alienated people do. Yeah, 405 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,079 it goes out saying I'm proud of you white, because 406 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,599 you know, if you're not, you're a fucking faggot. But 407 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:28,359 that doesn't mean it go around like organizing my entire 408 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,200 life around like you know, I will not walk on 409 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,279 the same side of the street as non white people 410 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,440 because I'm a fucking weirdo, you know what I mean. 411 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: I liked I liked on the Venezuela episode when you said, 412 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,559 you know, I was talking about how you know, people 413 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,160 are like, oh, Maduro's anti white and you're like Maduro 414 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,519 and you said Maduro's white. Yeah, that that was so 415 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:57,079 perfect because you get to know. But if somebody's only 416 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,319 response to that episode was I can't believe you said 417 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,359 Maduro's white because Maduro is not white, that's when you 418 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,359 know that they're like they have one concentration and that 419 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,359 concentration takes him right out of the game. 420 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well it's also too it's a bunch of 421 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,599 immigrant goofies who say that kind of shit, like the 422 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,839 Purity Spiral goofs. They're all these like random Bulgarian weirdos 423 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,519 or something, you know, really these but you're saying at 424 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,279 is today there, It's like, to me, you're a fucking 425 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:33,079 immigrant go away, you know, Like I it's you know, 426 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,200 to be clear, I mean like I said the Jones. 427 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,039 You know, ethnos and race are two different things. And yeah, 428 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,400 I believe in America, people on both sides of the 429 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,519 ideological divide mischaracterized race a lot. But uh, if Maduro, 430 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,440 if Maduro is in an American public high school, assuming 431 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,319 he wasn't some dude, it was like out gang banging 432 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,279 or something, he'd be viewed as a white ethnic you know, 433 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,880 as wol most of the elites and the Latin American countries. Frankly, 434 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,920 you know, like I I didn't. I didn't decide that 435 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,079 that's you know, it's like, uh, like, does that mean 436 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,359 Chris Christie is not white? You know, or something like 437 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,720 I like I said, it's not even if I consider 438 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:21,599 that sort of that sort of broad stroke sensibility to 439 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:26,119 be categorically misguided, you know, for historical reasons or whatever. 440 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,960 I mean that that's that's the way Americans look at it. 441 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,839 You know. It's like if I if Maduro only spoke 442 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,079 English and if he lived in like Terry Hood, Indiana, 443 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,680 he'd be white. But because uh, he invokes this kind 444 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,400 of perfunctory radical language and he's in Venezuela, that makes 445 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,079 him that that makes him Hispanic. Like I I okay, 446 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:51,400 I mean, that's that's still retard thing. 447 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,079 Speaker 1: But I think I think another one of the things 448 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,119 that like upsets people. And yeah, I'll say I'll say 449 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,880 this sometimes on my streams and people will bring up like, 450 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,519 you know, radical Islam and everything like that. I'm like, 451 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,440 I don't, look, man, I'm not going to have the 452 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,240 opinion of Islam of a boomer after. 453 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: Nine to eleven. 454 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:19,119 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's like I look, I read about the 455 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,119 history of it, and people are like, well, they tried 456 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,240 to they tried a conquest. You know, it was like 457 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,960 they took over Europe, they took over Spain for seven 458 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,799 hundred and fifty years. 459 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,839 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's what groups do. 460 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,519 Speaker 3: That's what like, you know, I'm that hysterical old woman. 461 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,720 So I don't think that that's like scary and bad. 462 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean it's like, okay, so so 463 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,519 you're talking about conquest by conquest of a land. Okay, 464 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240 it makes it scary because they did it, according to 465 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:50,160 because they also talked about their own religion in doing it. 466 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,799 It's like, well, what's the conquest of this of this 467 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,400 country where you put the freakin the Indian, the Native 468 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,279 American you know the native to heal. Well, what's that 469 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,240 that's like? Because what the fuck? 470 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,759 Speaker 3: Well? Also they don't understand one of the few. It's 471 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,599 a problematic movie because it's bad history and it's asinine 472 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200 in all kinds of ways. But I do like the 473 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:17,920 scene in Kingdom of Heaven where self Hadeen meets Baldwin 474 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,759 the Fourth. You know, everybody respected Salhadeen, you know, bald 475 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,960 In the Fourth did, Richard the Lionheart did? He was 476 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,039 he was a great man, you know, And this idea 477 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,079 there was comparable noon ever has the Saracens and the 478 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:41,480 Umiad cal If They were very different people's but in 479 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,319 this he always idea too that Spain was assaulted one 480 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,200 day like and it was like the opening of the 481 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,640 movie Conan or something, and then the Spanish were enslaved 482 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440 by these like evil Moslims for a millennia. That's not 483 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,839 how things played out, you know, and the recome Quista 484 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:05,519 took place over centuries. But they you know, there was 485 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,599 a distance between people's as there always is on sectarian 486 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,119 grounds and criteria. But it's not like it's not the 487 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,279 Spaniards hated the Mauslems and vice versa. You know, it's 488 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,240 not it's that it's just not how things shook out. 489 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,559 And what's also too, I mean, in Islam, shouldn't even 490 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,839 be on your radar in a hostile capacity if if 491 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:36,680 you're some American rando, you know, and it's just it's 492 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,680 just ridiculous. 493 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,559 Speaker 2: Well it's just a Jewish. 494 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: It's just it's just as Zionists and the Jews deflecting 495 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,039 away from themselves. It's like this whole thing with you know, 496 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,640 when Thomas Massey goes on Tucker Carlson and says, look, 497 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200 literally everybody has an apac candler except me and like 498 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,920 two other people, and then all of a sudden it's like, 499 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,920 oh no, it's Qatar. 500 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. What's also I mean, if you're gonna 501 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,119 be a bigot, you know, at least be a bigot 502 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,480 in favor of your own people, like going around pretending 503 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,960 you're Jewish and deciding I'm gonna be a bigot against 504 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960 people that an ethnic group I'm not part of doesn't like, 505 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,000 I mean, there's something that's like prison bitch level behavior, 506 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880 like like it really is, you know, there's something totally 507 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,759 contrived about it. Well, people if they don't understand the 508 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,799 subject matter, either, I guarantee these guys have never they've 509 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:33,440 never studied Islam, They've never you know, they've never hung 510 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,960 around Islamic scholars, they've never spent time in a mosque, 511 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:48,119 you know, during any sort of interfaith activity. Plus, it's 512 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,160 not a singular Islam you're talking about. You're talking about 513 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,640 myriad sex that encompass over a billion human beings of 514 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:02,440 all races. You know. And if I showed you there's 515 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,160 this Bosnia chick uh who works at my home away 516 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,880 from home, like my lunching cocktail spot. This lady's got 517 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,760 coloring like mine? Like, is she not white because she's 518 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,599 a because she's a Bosmian? Do you like, do it 519 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,239 stop being white? If you know you're uh, your your 520 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,039 ancestors are Bosniak Sunies. 521 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,599 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the King of Jordan's Yeah, that's 522 00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:27,239 a white guy. 523 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,119 Speaker 3: Well, yes, ditto with Sad. Yeah. I mean I think 524 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,280 I think the alloys are probably a culted Christian. But 525 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,000 that's a complicated question, you know, And don't get me wrong. 526 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,119 I Uh, I mean Islam's in an oriental faith. I mean, 527 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,079 there there's nothing wrong with that. It just is, you know, 528 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,719 I I give I think in the case of somebody 529 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:58,280 like Rene Gunn't there's a character type or psychological type. Rather, 530 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,719 there's probably a better way to describe it. Of occidental man, 531 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920 you know, like Laurens Arabia is another one, or like 532 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,760 the like the like the Kurts sort of trope of 533 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,840 the white man who goes native. You know, he's he's 534 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,719 a he's taken in with fascination for the orient so 535 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:30,719 he he quite literally comes to embody their cultural perceptions 536 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,400 and things, you know. And you know it also lived 537 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,719 in he he lived in in in Islamic society, basically 538 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,199 his whole little life, you know. I mean, I he 539 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,679 wasn't just some guy went shopping for religion, and I 540 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,599 mean he was he was the definition of of a 541 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:56,639 pious mazla. I mean he clearly was animated by some 542 00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,039 sort of spiritual awakening in that direction. I mean, I 543 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:03,159 always hope people come to come back to Christ and 544 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:11,159 Islam is an incomplete understanding of logos and revelation. But 545 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,280 I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and if if 546 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,519 God speaks to a man through Islam, I'm not who 547 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,280 am I to say that that's wrong? You know? But 548 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,800 so I can't I can't imagine being a white man 549 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,199 and converting to Islam, you know, or an occidental anglophone man. 550 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,000 But that and I mean culture isn't race. I mean 551 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,880 like we established like Ethnos and race or two different things. 552 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,800 But there this idea that there's not white Moslims is ridiculous. 553 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,320 Point as to why he dropped the n y not 554 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,719 just because it's bad theology, but he said, you know, 555 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,280 some of those pious Moslims he met when he when 556 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,280 he made Hodge, we're white men. Yeah, go ahead, Well. 557 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: Something you said there about how God can God can 558 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,960 speak to them through through even this incomplete belief. 559 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 3: People. 560 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,519 Speaker 1: You will hear people say, you know, oh well that 561 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,639 they'll talk about how before Christ came, that God spoke 562 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,960 through all the people, through nature, through you know, through 563 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:26,400 many different ways. But then it's like that doesn't exist anymore. 564 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,719 It's like God can't reach somebody with the truth through 565 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,840 a false faith right now. You know, that's almost because 566 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:38,360 because oh this war happened, or these towers got knocked down, 567 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,920 or you know, this crew, you know they had to 568 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,679 do this crusade because of this and everything. It's like 569 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,320 do you trust do you trust that God? Works or 570 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400 do you not? Do you think he just went to 571 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:54,039 sleep after Christ? After Christ? 572 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, the world, the ambitions and human affairs can somehow 573 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,880 de real God's plan or something it's ridiculous, or can 574 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,000 derail the cutting of reason or the logos itself. No, 575 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:12,400 I mean, don't don't get me wrong. People have every 576 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,119 right to criticize Islam and intelligent capacities. But that's the 577 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,880 all thing. These fools that they they don't know a 578 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,679 thing about the subject matter. It's like, I don't I 579 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,760 don't like Islam qua Islam because of memes and because 580 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,679 some Somali guy is still my bicycle, So that guy 581 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,280 is Islam, you know. I mean it's it's moronic, you know, 582 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,480 and but it's also too. I mean, I think a 583 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:44,880 lot of people claim I was thinking about this. It 584 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,440 seems like a silly example, but it it's sort of 585 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:54,559 triggered this thought in my mind that that that that 586 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,920 creepy goofy halftime show by Toilet Paper USA where the 587 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,679 head kid Rock who I call old guy lame because 588 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,000 he's not a kid who rocks. He's like this fucking 589 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,119 old guy who's lame. But he's uh, he's doing this 590 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:19,400 like trashy churchyanity kind of you know, what's what's let's 591 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,280 praise Jesus thing, like like the only majority of Americans 592 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,679 don't they don't. They don't understand religiosity for reasons like 593 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,960 Wolfgang Smith said, and and like Marcilii and and a 594 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,840 lot of the in and a lot of the a 595 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:45,320 lot of the radical traditionalists also discussed, there's not there's 596 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,760 not the the mainstream American culture is not an environment 597 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,719 where true religiosity can flourish. So well, like that's why 598 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,079 one of the that's that's why there's this population and 599 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,760 and thankfully I believe it's dying out. But these uh, 600 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:09,880 these Ted Cruz type race traders helots, they there's no 601 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,679 actual substance or religious practice or spiritual practice to what 602 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,719 these people are into. You could tell them that the 603 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,320 Bible tells you how to like repair a Honda Civic. 604 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,039 They'd be like, yeah, yeah, I worship with the Honda Civic. 605 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,519 They have no idea. They don't care. Like Churchianity is 606 00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,440 a real thing. It's I go to a building and 607 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,480 this kind of weird guy gives a motivational speech and 608 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,119 then at the start in the end we say a 609 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:40,559 prayer like that's it, you know, so, and I think 610 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,800 intrinsic to that. I know, intrinsic to that is this 611 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,840 sort of instinctive hostility to actual religious practice. You know. 612 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920 It's it's not just because of the helots and the lookie 613 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:02,440 box tells them what's correct as a bi Zionist prejudices 614 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,360 and things. But it's also if they see a pious 615 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,599 Maslam or an Orthodox guy who takes his faith real seriously, 616 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,760 or a Bible Protestant like me who cites Scripture, they 617 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,639 think that that suus and that, oh, that guy's too religious. 618 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,119 You know he's not. He's being weird. He's probably homophobic 619 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,559 or has weird ideas about women or something. I mean 620 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,480 that that's what's coded into it too. So you can 621 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,079 tell a lot about people if they got the seconds 622 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,679 think of hatred of what they think is Islam. In 623 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,480 part that's uh, you just got their degenerate moderns and 624 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,079 their default setting is to attack people who, you know, 625 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,119 bide something higher than man. And there really is to 626 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,760 a culture of narcissism, like main character syndrome is a 627 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,719 real thing or player one syndrome. I'm old, so I 628 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,760 don't know all of these sort of catch phrases and 629 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,079 memes that that is a real thing, you know, and 630 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,320 it has been for a minute, Christopher Last wrote to 631 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,639 look Dad in the late seventies. So instinctive to the 632 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,880 psychology some of these people is my bullshit and my 633 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,519 worldly concerns. And what I'm into is the center of 634 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,159 the universe. And if you don't acknowledge that, if you 635 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:23,559 put something above man and above what I value, that's 636 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:28,280 offensive to me because that diminishes, you know, what I 637 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,559 perceive is my more importance. You know, Symbolic psychology really 638 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:40,559 animates a lot of what men and women do. That's 639 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,480 what the reason I cite Young a lot and increase. 640 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,599 I've developed more, not less respect for him as I've aged. 641 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,400 And it's pretty rare because I mean not because I 642 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960 I've got any great insight or anything, because I don't, 643 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:57,400 but anybody who is diligent in their studies and their research, 644 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,000 if anything, your respect for some of the these thinkers 645 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:06,000 diminishes as you develop a more complete understanding of the 646 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,119 subject matter, and you just develop more mature thought patterns, 647 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,800 as you know, like a fifty or sixty year old 648 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,199 man or woman, you know, But that's uh. I mean, 649 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:19,199 there's there's a lot to take away from young and 650 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:28,559 that's valuable, but onto logically, that's a point of continuing 651 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:33,840 emphasis throughout its entire body of work, is that symbolic 652 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:42,079 psychology looms tremendously large and in the human mind and soul, 653 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,760 you know, and that that explains a lot. That's one 654 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:55,199 of the reasons why pre rational propaganda that appeals to 655 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,360 pre rational impulses are so is so powerful. I mean 656 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,599 that that's and that's that's that's my pornography of of 657 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:10,480 all kinds, is at base and exercise in propaganda. The 658 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,800 whole point is that there it is pre rational in 659 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:23,480 terms of what aspects of mind it stimulates. But yeah, 660 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,519 and I one of the reasons to bring it back, 661 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:35,679 I'm sorry if that was scattershot and randly what one 662 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,159 of the reasons I I think OGC is a positive 663 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,800 thing is not just because many of my dear friends 664 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:48,119 populated and were instrumental in establishing it, but it really 665 00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:52,599 is a catalyst for building social capital, and from the 666 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:59,639 ranks of those sorts of fraternal organizations and things, that's 667 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:07,960 where one can poach vanguardists. In part I've I got 668 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,920 a few different strategies on how I reach out to 669 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,400 people and through what. But also, I mean a lot 670 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,159 of people reach out to me, and it's not it's 671 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,599 not because I'm handsome and can sing and dance because 672 00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:23,159 I because I can't, And I'm not because I'm so smart. 673 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,760 If you put yourself out there and are receptive to 674 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,320 people in a way, they perceive a sincere they'll seek 675 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,079 you out. You know. It's it's not as if this 676 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:35,880 is just some one side of the fair. And like 677 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400 what I was talking about, we're not knocking on glors 678 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:45,400 trying to be that Jehovah's witnesses or or some insurance salesman. 679 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,639 I was about saying Groundhog day to day. Except what 680 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,039 my favorite movies and uh, I mean, there's so many 681 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,880 great scenes in that, but uh, like the Neda Ryerson scenes, 682 00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:04,599 it's nid Ryerson like that that guy. That guy just 683 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,320 embodies like a certain tight But yeah, I'll go ahead. 684 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,159 You're to say something. 685 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,559 Speaker 1: Sure, I genuinely don't know what your answer is going 686 00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,880 to be to this, but since we're since we're pissing 687 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,599 off a lot of people, I'll just go for it. 688 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,000 Do you think Islam is compatible like, if you were 689 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,920 constructing a society, would you would you want Muslims to 690 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,599 be a part of it. 691 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I take the view that Ante Pavolch did, and 692 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:40,880 that Joan von Leers did, and and that did and 693 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,639 Francis YACKI did you know, I don't. I mean maybe 694 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,079 this is easier for me too, because again, like I 695 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:54,840 my confession, my confessional heritage, and in America, one thing 696 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,519 I do agree with you, Michael Jones about in America, 697 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:06,920 your confession is really your ethnos in substantial ways, not completely. Obviously, 698 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:13,719 your ethnos is a pastiche of iudentitarian factors, but it's 699 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,440 not it's highly significant, Okay. I mean, maybe this is 700 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,760 easier for me to deal with because I'm always the minority, 701 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,360 at least where I'm at. You know, it's Islam is 702 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,039 a profound historical force, one of the most profound of 703 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:44,599 the last you know, fifteen hundred to two thousand years. 704 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:51,880 It's a civilizing influence on many there to force savage peoples. 705 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,760 I mean always is a manner falling that that's not 706 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,400 some slam on less developed they're more limited people, the 707 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,960 different races and different strengths and weaknesses there's nothing wrong 708 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,000 with it. But yeah, nobody can explagate to me why 709 00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,880 I'm supposed to hate Islam. I mean, I've I'm something 710 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480 of an orientalist. I think everybody knows I've got I've 711 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,039 got positive esteem for Islam. But even if I didn't, 712 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,760 you know, I like, it's it's an alien faith. It's 713 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,280 it's cool to be ruled by Zionists and in this 714 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,840 polyglot social engineering project. But it's like the bridge too 715 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,920 far is to have like Muslims in your living space 716 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:42,599 like that, I don't understand that, but no, I it. Plus, 717 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,440 it's not binary the kinds of people who the kinds 718 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,119 of people I esteem and you know, in terms of 719 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:59,199 their confessional orientation and their ethnos. It's not people are 720 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,440 white and and and reformed like me, or they're bad. 721 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,320 You know. It's like I I don't. I don't look 722 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,280 at like an all a white guy's racially white, or 723 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,239 like a Japanese Shindo practitioner like I do, some guy 724 00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:21,599 from Haiti us into voodoo. Like that's not the way 725 00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,000 I look at things, you know. And like I said, 726 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,639 I'd take it more. I take it more seriously. If 727 00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,519 these people who came at me with that kind of stuff. 728 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,239 They're literally just relying on memes and bullshit, or they 729 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,880 they've decided to characterize things such as the engineer ethnic 730 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,360 cleansing of Europe occupied Europe as this this entity called 731 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,559 Islam that's making this happen or something. You know, it's 732 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:54,400 it's asinine. So no, but also, I mean, my the 733 00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,239 reason why I cited sail And and the sort of 734 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:09,719 neo secessionist movement moving forward, the way life's gonna look 735 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,559 on the ground in America, It's like, okay, this hood 736 00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:14,760 is like ninety nine when I sent black. You know, 737 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,440 this one is a white nationalist coding. You know, this 738 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,519 one is a you know, maybe mixed race about certain qualifications. 739 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:25,360 Everybody's got to be Catholic. You know. Maybe over here 740 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,880 is a bunch of crazy liberals that you know, are 741 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,800 don't know what the fuck they're doing in life. But 742 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,480 if they want to have their little jonestown of them, 743 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,920 you know, of Middle America or whatever, I don't care. 744 00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:42,719 As long as they don't try and disturb me, and 745 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:49,400 as long as uh, you know they they I don't 746 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,880 have to see them or deal with them, and know 747 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,559 the can force me to interact with them. And these 748 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,320 days the regime can't really do that. I mean, all 749 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:03,360 the aspects that facilitate the dad or going away. You know, 750 00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,519 labor is totally changed. You don't you don't. You don't 751 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,119 go work in a factory where thirty thousand people work, 752 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:12,760 or go work in a massive office complex sixty hours 753 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,039 a week anymore. You don't send your kid to public school. 754 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,440 If you do, you're an idiot, frankly, and that's child abuse. 755 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,320 But also, I mean, that's that's dying out. Policing is 756 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,519 dying out. That's really a lot of what underlies the 757 00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:36,920 lead that the decriminalization of weed. And honestly, that's not 758 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,360 the whole story. There's other factors that play there too. 759 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,880 But this idea of arresting people for having a bag 760 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,519 of weed, that's that's over. You know, there's some locals 761 00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:51,639 where it's not. But it's still my point. Okay. You know, 762 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,519 here I'm not think this is a particularly good thing. 763 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,559 But you can smoke weed openly and no one's going 764 00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,280 to do aning about it. You know, at this in 765 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,599 this town in ten See, if you light up a joint, 766 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,760 you get arrested and thrown in jail. Okay, well, it's 767 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,679 their prerogative, you know, like I told you before even 768 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,440 instances here. 769 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one thing that I like one of 770 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:18,320 the last interviews I ever did with like some libertarian 771 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,320 wanted to interview me about like you know why why 772 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,079 I would reject it? And I'm like, because you're forcing 773 00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,840 your You're like, oh, all this should be legal, and 774 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,719 you're for You don't realize that you're forcing it upon 775 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,599 people like there are two there are groups of people. 776 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,119 There are locations that you're gonna be like, well, we 777 00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,800 don't want gambling here, we don't want we here, and 778 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,239 you're telling them, you're forcing them to say, yeah, we 779 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,280 have to have this. 780 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,639 Speaker 3: You know. 781 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 2: It's like it's you nothing's universalist. 782 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 3: No, well no, And it's also yeah, the whole point, 783 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,239 the whole point of uh, this perspective, but this decession 784 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,119 as perspective is you can't make me live next door 785 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:02,039 to la like a strip. You know, you can't make 786 00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:06,119 me you can't say it's illegal for me to put 787 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:16,159 a restrictive covenant on my real estate. You know. It's uh, yeah, 788 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,599 I mean that that's the whole point. And it's not 789 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,079 I mean, it's just not feasible people don't understand either. 790 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,559 I think some people are starting that this sort of 791 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,119 understanding is being a trickle down a bit, just because 792 00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:40,039 as the twenty first century proceeds, the rearview mirror what 793 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,239 appears in their verbially looks more and more remote and 794 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,039 kind of alien. The twentieth century was totally bizarre and 795 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:57,400 totally anomalous in all kinds of ways, and regimes like 796 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:04,639 the New Dealer regime, these mass experiments and as social 797 00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:09,679 engineering tyranny like the Soviet Union. That stuff will never 798 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,800 happen again because it's totally anomalous, and the conditions that 799 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:25,760 gave rise to those modalities were totally anomalous, and every 800 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,559 everything about it look it how bizarre World War One was. 801 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,360 I was talking about that the other day because I 802 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,280 got the bug to write more fiction about a month ago, 803 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,840 so I've been working on that intermittently, and I was 804 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,199 watching this. This sounds incredibly geeky, but I was watching this. 805 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:48,679 I was watching this old British documentary on the on 806 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,679 the Mark one tank. You know that was that that 807 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,920 was the first tank. It was that monstrosity that first 808 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,559 got fielded at at the Somme, the Somber her done 809 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,079 somebody in the comments. I'm sure will c I'm kind 810 00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,239 of fascinated by the Great War just because I mean, 811 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,719 it was a hugely significant conflict, but it's how hellish 812 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:18,159 it was. But that industrial slaughter and I missed, uh 813 00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:26,280 a total mobilization of you know, the infantry element is 814 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,800 fascinating and and just coded for inevitable blood bath. And uh, 815 00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,880 I'm in uh, I'm in the minority. I I think 816 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,679 I think the US Army was I think some of 817 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,920 the best forces that ever fielded were the where the 818 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,360 AF and I think person is the best general America 819 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,639 ever produced. But I also think the Vietnam War army 820 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,199 was was great too in certain respects. But point being, 821 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,480 I'm uh, I was watching this for a reason because 822 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,599 and uh, the I'm writing a it's sort of a 823 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,559 The timeline is not linear in Steel Storm because in 824 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:12,000 part it, you know, it deals with the storical epos 825 00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,280 and things and how the pass impacts the future and 826 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,840 things like this, so you know, the timeline hops around. 827 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:26,840 But uh, what's this? This this this Steel Storm book 828 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,039 is called nineteen seventy nine because in substantial measure it 829 00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:34,719 tells the story is Cyril Larsh who's the Chicago Police 830 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:42,760 homicide cop. But it also there's a section that deals 831 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,880 with the Battle of Saint Louis when Billy Wong becomes 832 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,480 he begins his career as a warlord, you know, ultimately 833 00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:55,039 becomes the Great Cohn after War Day, but Vestigeal government 834 00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:02,440 forces engage engage Billy Wong was army at the ruins 835 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,000 of Saint Louis and it turns into this World War 836 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,719 One kind of slug. So I'm trying to put myself 837 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,599 in that sort of headspace conceptually, but I was, I was. 838 00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:13,079 I wasn't trying to be that guy and just like 839 00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,559 plug my ship, but I that was that was the context. 840 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha. 841 00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,679 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna let you get out of here. 842 00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:23,199 I'm gonna go have some lunch. Thank thank you for this, 843 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,360 and I will encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack. 844 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,599 It's real Thomas seven seven seven dot subsack dot com 845 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,599 at his website, Uh Thomas seven seven seven dot com. 846 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,559 The t is a seven and you can connect with 847 00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:43,000 him and get everything there. So at both of those places, 848 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,960 So again, thank you, Thomas, appreciate you. 849 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Biddy