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Speaker 1: Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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his wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna

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cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man,

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nobody seen, nobody. You don't need to know. Man, you

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followed the story and you got back to flect that.

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That's when man don't blackly dag on the Panama Man. Man,

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you don't don't.

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Speaker 2: Better Man, I know all right, Scott Orton, Welcome back

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to the Jay Burden Show. How you doing, Man, happy

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to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Obviously I wish uh you and I

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could ever have conversations about something happy, but uh, unfortunately

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seems to me that every time we hang out there's

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something bad going on. And uh, obviously I don't need

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to tell anyone at home there is a war in Iran.

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I guess it's not technically a war. We didn't declare it,

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but nears makes no difference. And one of the things

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that I've noticed, particularly in the wake of Joe Kent resigning,

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is a new argument has sort of been called out

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of the dirt, which is basically, well, this war isn't new.

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We've been at war with Iran for forty years. So

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I'm curious if I could one to get your reaction to,

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you know, Joe Kent's resignation, and two, well, how true

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is that claim?

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Speaker 1: Well it's funny now. Harry Brown said after September eleventh that, oh,

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everybody wants to pretend that history started this morning or yesterday.

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And as Robert Haig says, truncate the antecedents as they

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do with Pearl Harbor. They pretend we had no Pacific

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policy until Pearl Harbor. You know this kind of thing. Well,

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in fact, America's war against Iran started in nineteen fifty three.

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come we got to start with Jimmy Carter? Be fair America,

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as everyone knows he's oftentimes very proud of, We're number one.

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America is the superpower it used to be. There was

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a balance in the Soviet Union in China, and there's

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a you know, somewhat non aligned you know, Third World

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and all of that. But as far as who's dominant

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in South Asia, Southeast and southwest and south central Asia,

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us or we were trying in a contest with the

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Soviets for influence there. And the question is never about

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Iran coming to North America and trying to gain dominance here,

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overthrowing the governor of Texas and taking our oil for

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a song, or any of that. The question was whether

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American can get away with completely poning their ass or not.

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And so what happened was America originally supported the rise

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of the Prime Minister of Mohammed Mosadek, but then they

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decided they didn't like him lean slightly left, and they

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were afraid he was going to deal with the Soviets

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in a way that they didn't want, so they did

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a coup and overthrew him and reinstalled the Shah Recipa Labi,

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was the son of the dictator from before, and who

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had also been in power himself for a while before

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being deposed, and then America reinstalled him, and he was

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essentially like a right wing fascist dictatorship El Presidente in

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the mold of Samosa or somebody like that in Latin America.

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Right mirrored sunglasses and Uncle sam behind him, and he

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ruled the place for twenty six years and leading up

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to the Revolution of nineteen seventy nine, and is very

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convenient that the Hawks want to leave all of that out.

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But seriously, imagine that some foreign force had come and

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overthrown say W. Bush, and reinstalled Bill Clinton and then

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kept him in as a foreign sock puppet authoritarian dictator

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for twenty five years because he served their interest, say

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the Chinese or something like that. Would we be over

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it and used to it in twenty six years. Well,

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that's just the way of the world. The Chinese get

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to pick our leaders, and we just look at our

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shuffling feet as we walk and sacrifice ever having dignity again.

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about that all the time until it came to an end.

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the sentiment, as it wouldn't be in any country. But

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it was a real grassroots popular revolution that overthrew that

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dictatorship in seventy nine, as opposed to say, for example,

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the bloody Coudeta of Saddam Hussein who overthrew his predecessor

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a massive popular revolution in the streets and America in

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the Jimmy Carter government supported the rise of the Ayatola Komane.

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and I was very young. In seventy nine, I was three.

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was somewhat interested in this. Watch these kinds of shows

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on TV. So you didn't grow up with this, but

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this kind of thing. And I remember, even as a kid,

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asking some grown up, either one of my parents, or

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my friend's parents or somebody, isn't that funny that the

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French sent the Ayatola back to Iran? Aren't they our friends?

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Why would they do that? But of course the answer

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is because America wanted them to do that, and they

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would never do that against Washington's wishes, of course, So

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why the answer was because the CIA said, we know Komine,

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clerics that helped us agitate against Mosedek back in nineteen

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fifty three. We can work with him, and they knew

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that the Shaw was dying of cancer anyway, so they

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threw his ass overboard and supported the revolution. Now this

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is only barely you or your audience's fault. Okay, everybody

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gets this wrong. Everybody gets this wrong, but you'll never

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get it wrong anymore. After this, the hostage crisis didn't

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break out coinciding directly with the revolution. The revolution was

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complete by February nineteen seventy nine. The hostage crisis didn't

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break out until November. And so for the ten months

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Jimmy Carter's have been to Brazilski administration, we're trying to

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work with the I tool, and we're actually working with

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the Iranians and in fact, for example, passing them intelligence

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about alleged threats from the Soviet Union which supposedly was

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considering invading Iran after having invaded Afghanistan, which Carter and

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Brazinski had been trying to bait them into doing, and

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which they did do in December of seventy nine, and

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then also warning well, I guess that would have been

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coinciding with the threats to invade Afghanistan. Sorry, not just after,

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but then and also warning about threats from Saddam Hussein

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after he took power in Iraq, and he had major

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reason to fear the site revolution in Iran because that

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could very easily spread to the Schiaite supermajority population of Iraq,

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which could rise up and overthrow him. So he wanted

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to conscript those Iraqi Siites and send them to war

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against Iran instead, And at that time America was warning

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Iran about the possibility. But then what happened was David Rockefeller,

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convinced that he was the chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank,

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Rockfeller grandson and president the on Foreign Relations and Zabin

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Neu Brazinski's patron, he convinced Jimmy Carter to let the

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Shaw into the United States for cancer treatment, and that

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was what sparked the revolution because they thought that meant

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America was going to nurse him back to health and

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reinstall him in power, which it didn't really, but that

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was the way they took it. And I'm not justifying

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and taking our hostages for Christ's sake, but I'm just

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saying all this kids blurred together in popular memory because

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it's so important for the War Party. For you to

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think and see just even on this one crucial point,

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for you to think that the very existence of a

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revolutionary site regime under this group of theocrats in Iran

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is necessarily this great Satan right, this permanent menace against

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the United States, this implacable enemy that cannot be reasoned

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with a radical fundamentalist Islam. And if the Democrats could

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get along with them for most of a year until

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a big stupid diplomatic blunder led to the hostage crisis

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and Carter and Brazinski's humiliation with especially the failed operation

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to rescue the guys Eagle Claw to try to rescue

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the guys which failed, and all of that leading to

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the Carter doctrine and all of the rest. Without that

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whole humiliation, we could have figured out how to get

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along with them all along. And in fact, the Israelis

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continued to get along with the Iranians all the way

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through the nineteen eighties and into the early nineteen nineties,

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because for example, or not because, but for example, when

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Ronald Reagan, even though he continued Carter's policy of backing

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Saddam Hussein against Iran after Hussein invaded with Carter's green

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light in nineteen eighty, when Reagan switched sides and sold

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missiles to the Ayatola in the Irankantra, he used the

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Israelis as cutouts to do it because the Israelis still

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had this ongoing relationship, as Treated Parsi shows in this

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book Treacherous Alliance, the Ayatola would publicly be denouncing the

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Little Satan Israel and threatening Israel the same day he'd

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be taking a shipment of missiles from them, and all

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of his bleusser was just cover for their covert relationship

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that had lasted through that whole period, and that didn't

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change on the Israelis part until their strategy changed in

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nineteen ninety three. So you know, I'm from Texas, Okay,

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I'm an American, I'm not a Sheite, and I'm not

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any kind of Persian or related to any or anything.

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I have no partisan reason to take their side in this.

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the facts of the situation, being honest, look at it

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from the other point of view of who's been at

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war with who. When Jimmy Carter told Saddam Hussein, yeah,

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go ahead and invade, We'll support you and America under

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Carter and then Reagan supported Saddam Hussein's war for eight

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years against him, including arming them with chemical weapons, but

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well helping them by and helping them develop their own

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chemical weapons and giving them the satellite targeting information to

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use those chemical weapons on Iranian conscripts in the field

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and ultimately even against Iranian cities. Something like half a

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million people died on both sides in that absolutely horrific

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war in the nineteen eighties, and people get upset, and

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for some good reason. Right about the Bay Root bombing

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of nineteen eighty three, Okay, that was two hundred and

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forty one marines that ron O Reagan himself said he

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should have never put there was the worst mistake of

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his presidency. And yes, including the lack of proper force protection.

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of an airport tarmac, then yeah, you need men with

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front to prevent some guy in a suicide truck from

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getting at your guys. Of course, but it was the

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policy and the politics, and Reagan himself said he should

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have never put them in there. He wrote in his diaries,

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the big mistake of his presidency was not being a

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whimp and withdrawing it was intervening in the first place

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where America had no business. And by the way, the

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Israelis knew about the nineteen eighty three Bay Route attack

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that it was coming, as Victor Ostrowski, the Masad whistleblower

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all about it. They knew there was a very short

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list of targets that were appropriate for the truck bomb

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that was being built that they knew all about. And

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they did not warn the Americans. And they said that's

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what they'd get for sticking their nose into our business

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where we didn't want them. And now I believe the

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political government of Israel had actually asked Reagan to intervene,

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want They didn't give a damn what happened to us.

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They're big boys, they could take care of themselves, and

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if they don't, then that's just tough. That was how

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the Israelis felt about the American Marines getting bombed at

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Bay Route. So they're just to me, no less worse

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than proto Hasbala and the group of Shites that did that,

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and by the way, it was Lebedi Shehites that did that,

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and it was a group supportive by Iran, But it

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wasn't literally necessarily exactly Iran that did that, unless we

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want to take full responsibility for every single thing Israel

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and Ukraine. Do you know, be careful how you pass

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these standards around here. But it was certainly they supported

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Saddam Hussein against Iran and bear a lot of that

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kind of responsibility for that. And then I'll skip to

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the next major real talking point on the list would

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be in Iraq War two. They say that Iran killed

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six hundred Americans in Iraq War two. Now George W.

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Bush would say, well, I shorthanded it meaning this is

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you're a different generation. Mean, when I was a little

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how they do here. Listen, I don't want to have

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to explain, you know, Jerry Seinfeld, YadA, YadA, YadA, and

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then but yeah, Iran killed six hundred of our guys. Oh,

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it's just not true. I mean, it's why it's you

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might have noticed. It's this cliche. It's this talking point

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that they never explain. He knows how I always explain.

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He knows how they never explain. It's kind of a tell.

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Speaker 2: So, Scott, I've been reliably informed that that is because

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you were an agent of I guess it would have

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been the Katari government several months ago, but since they

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got hit. Now now you're an Iranian or Russian, I'm

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not entirely sure, Paige.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about the Qataris. They helped Obama build

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the caliphate in Siri if you want to talk about

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the sins of the Qataris and whose bankroll I'm not on.

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But and look, I have done six thousand interviews. In fact,

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The real first interview I did is of a survivor

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Branch Davidian in nineteen ninety nine. Is on the bottom

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of Alan Bach from the Orange County Register in anti

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war dot com. And I'm just doing Austin, Texas, anti government,

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anti war, libertarian shit. You like it or you don't,

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but it's all all that you got, dude, the Weekend

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Interview show with Philip Drew, and I got six thousand

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I've been right and wrong about, which is almost nothing

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this whole time. And so people can take that for

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what it's worth if they don't like what they're here

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and they're interested in trying to prove who they think

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I really am and what's behind some deconstructionists thing about

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my motives. And there's no opener book anywhere on the internet,

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probably than my six thousand interview archive right there at

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Scott Horton dot org slash archives. So and including my

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coverage of this question in two thousand and seven, and

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here's what happened, Okay, Dick Cheney and David Petraeus and

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Michael Gordon of the New York Times entered into a

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conspiracy to lie to the American people and make the

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American people believe that every time a Shiite Arab set

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off a roadside bomb in Iraq, that that bomb came

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from Iran. This is the part they shorthand to. Now

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you're supposed to just believe it was Iranian setting the

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bombs when okay, they're dumbing that down from well, Iran

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supplied all those bombs, but in fact that's not true.

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And the worst accusation they got, which I think is

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also unproven although widely asserted, is that Iran taught, like

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the IRGC taught the Iraqi sites how to make these

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explosively formed penetrators, which are EFPs, which are the new

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and improved, worse roadside bombs compared to a plain old

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ied like the Sunni Insurgeon were making out of just

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artillery shells and whatever other bombs that they could find.

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The explosively foreign penetrators had a copper slug Basically, they

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had like a copper plate on it that when the

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shape charge exploded, turned that plate into a molten slug

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that would cut right through armors, very deadly killed a

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lot of Americans who were fighting against Maktada Alsader and

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his Mahdi army in the early part of two thousand

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and seven. Now, the thing of it is this, even

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if you accept that Iran taught them how to make

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these bombs, there's just as much evidence it says they

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learned how to make these bombs from Lebanese has Bala,

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and that Lebanese has Bala learned it from the ira

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not from Iran.

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Speaker 2: And then to that point, Scott, that technology dates back

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to World War Two, so you know, it's not exactly

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like it came down to the you know, the Iranians

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from God in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, but there was a huge propaganda campaign and

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in fact, we used to joke at the time on

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the show that wow, they totally forgot about it. Iron's illicit,

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secret parallel nuclear weapons program that we know is there somewhere.

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They totally forgot about that absolute pile of crap for

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like half a year, three quarters of a year, so

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they could tell this pile lies instead now instead of

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their making an adam bomb, trust me, is every time

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a shee sets off a bomb, it's an iranium bomb,

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trust me. But here's the thing. I have it in

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my book, a giant collection of citations in which I

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actually if you type in my name Scott Wharton and

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Soda Straws and EFPs, that you'll find it on my

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substack there. And it's for free for anybody to read.

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And it is one section of the Iraq chapter of

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my book enough already where I talk about the irony

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of America biting the Sheites under mctada Alsado when we're

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actually fighting that entire war for him and them, but

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then also this total propaganda campaign about the EFPs. And

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in there you'll see I cite the Wall Street Journal,

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Yoki Dresden. I believe it is Reuter's staff Los Angeles Times,

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Andrew Coburn in the Los Angeles Times, Gareth Porter, of

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course in Enterpress Service and probably truth Out and whatever

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it was. But the great Gareth Port is nobody better

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than him on this stuff. And then Ellen nick Meyer

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in the Washington Post, Alyssa Rubin in the New York Times, who,

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by the way, you know, is Michael Gordon's colleague at

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the New York Times. So here he's shoveling these lines

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all day long. And then she goes, yeah, the military says,

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today they found another one of these garages, another one

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of these machine shops where these bombs are being made

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in Iraq by Iraqis. So Iraqi Sheites are the super majority.

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of the country. They don't have to be Iranians to

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be Iraqi Sheites. They're not. They're Rocky Sheites. And in fact,

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the three major pillars of the United Iraqi Alliance that

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the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq because George W. Bush

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won their revolution for them, they didn't need to be

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for a revolution anymore. ISKI and Dawa and Soder were

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the three major pillars of the United Iraqi Alliance under

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the overall tuteligion guy and guidance of the Ayatola Ali

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al Sistani down in Naja, the in fact highest ranking

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Shai cleric in the world, who already did outrank even

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the Ayatola Commedee in Iran before the Israelis and the

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those three major pillars of the Iraqi Shiaid alliance, Soder

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was the least Iran tied. He had stayed in Iraq.

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back during when the Iran Iraq War broke out, or

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when the Iranian Revolution broke out. They took the Iranian

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revolution side and fought. Many of them, especially from the

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Supreme Islamic Council in Dawa, fought on Iran's side against

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Iraq in the Iran Iraq War, on the side of

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the Shiite Revolution against Saddam's Sunnibathis led government. Right so

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now they were coming from Iran to take over the government. Fact,

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these are the people who led the Shiite Revolution uprising

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attempted uprising of nineteen ninety one after the First Iraq

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War that H. W. Bush had encouraged and then betrayed.

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chosen Iran side in the Iran Iraq War were coming

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across the border to lead it. Well, these are the

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same guys that W. Bush took all the way to Baghdad.

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Bush Junior took all the way to Baghdad twelve years later. Well,

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Soder was more of a nationalist and he was more

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willing to all with Sunni Arabs to kick a Maria

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and to kick Iran out. So America preferred the Iraqi Shiads,

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who were closer to Iran, because at least they would

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let us stay, instead of favoring Solder because at least

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he actually wanted to limit Iran's influence in the country.

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So America instead targeted him. And so I'm not saying

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he's a good person or anything like that. His men

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did kill something like five hundred Americans in that uprising

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during that time, But America picked that fight. David Petraeus

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picked that fight, and quite honestly, I think the majority

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of the reason that they did it was simply to

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provoke a reaction from Solder that they could blame on

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Iran and for providing the training for what they call

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the Special Groups, which was just the Mahdi Army, and

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providing these bombs in order to justify strikes on ir

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GC targets inside Iran, which was supposed to kick off

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the war. But the reason at this stage the war

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that we're undergoing right now. But the reason that didn't

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happen was because the chiefs told w Bush, don't make

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us go to Iran. We'll do the surge. Hell, we'll

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turn around and fight Solder, but don't make us attack Iran,

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because in fact, we have one hundred and fifty thousand

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troops in Iraq. We're mostly fighting on the Site side,

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who are now going to get Order sixty six right

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in the back if we turn and take Iran's side,

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turn against the Sites, I mean, and against Iran. They're gonna,

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as they say, we will do our duty and serve

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the Saite Revolution at America's expense. And we had fifty

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thousand guys in Afghanistan that were at least within missile

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range if nothing else. Plus, as we've seen now, thirteen

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bases all up and down the southwest coast of the

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Persian Gulf there in Kuwait. We had air bases and

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army bases in Saudi Arabia Air and Army in cutter

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the biggest air base in the region, in Central Command headquarters,

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the alu Did Air Base, which was also where the

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British Air Force is station at Bahrain, the Fifth Fleet

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Naval Headquarters and then various other bases smaller I guess

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Army Air Force bases in UAE and Oman as well.

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And then this is what they told him was if

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we fight Iran ultimately we can prevail, yes, but at

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great cost, and they will be able to fight back

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in ways that we can't control. So, as they put it,

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they want escalation dominance, which means they believe they'll be

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able to control every stage of the fight. And if

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they don't believe they'll be able to control every stage

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of the fight, they don't even want to get in

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it at all. We only fight to win way you,

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hands down, in a no contest thing, big enough enemy,

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we don't want to mess with them. And in this case, yes,

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is America more powerful than Persia, Yes, no question about that.

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But can they overwhelm our defenses with missile fire? Yes,

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and across that not wide Persian Gulf they can? Can

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they close the straits of horror moves? Yes they can.

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And as we've seen, it's the New York Times today,

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and I know it's the New York Times, but it's true. Man,

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Darryl Cooper, my guy has sources still inside the military.

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Your guy as well, he still has sources inside the

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Pentagon who told him, Man, our bases are decimated, They're ruined.

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He said that on our show on I think the sixth,

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when Kyle Anzelone was co hosting with him and I

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was out of town and people were all criticizing him. Oh,

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mister Cooper, the historian claims he has sources that tell

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him our bases are decimated. Huh. And then now twenty

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days later they're going, yeah, that's right, and they've been decimated.

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All our guys had to withdraw from there. And as

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Justin Logan from the Cato Institute said on Twitter today,

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well what's the point of having a bunch of bases

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in the lease if we can't fight a war from them?

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How can we claim ever again after this war? No

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matter how this works out, let's say it works out

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in the most positive way you can think of, other

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than like, I don't know, whatever full sock puppetry regime

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change where like we get the next show it works

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out perfectly something after this, like how can we ever

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claim to dominate the golf with our military presence there

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ever again? If we have to evacuate everyone because we

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can't stop Iran from blowing up whatever radar, creating whatever runway,

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hitting whatever barracks, if they were trying that they wish.

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And so this is the reason that the chiefs told w. Bush, Look,

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we'll escalate the Iraq war, but we don't want to

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do the Iran war. But Dick Cheney and David Petraeus

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and Michael Gordon of the New York Times, who's now

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at the Wall Street Journal. He's the same guy who

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lied about Saddam's plot to get the A bomb before

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the war with Judith Miller, and she got disgrace, and

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somehow he lives on and is at the Wall Street

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Journal to this day. But they tried very hard to

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push this and to convince w. Bush to attack Iran,

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and he ended up backing down and not doing it.

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And Ahodolmert was simultaneously the Prime Minister of Israel, was

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you know, lobbying as hard as he could, and Bush

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told him forget it. And that was in you know,

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by oh and also, by the way, the commander of

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Central Command was Admiral fox Fallin, William fox Fallon, and

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he had leaked that. I don't know whether he really

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told Channing this or he just leaked that he did

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that he had told Chaney, will go to a run

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over my dead body. We're not doing this, I guess,

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particularly because we're not doing this as long as we

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have one hundred fifty thousand boys in Iraq, because they

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will be you know, in real trouble, they'll be stranded.

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They won't be able to get out from there. I

473
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,279
guess they could head west to Jordan, they won't be

474
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:39,319
able to get out by way of Kuwait, and so

475
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,720
so I think that was the sticking point for him.

476
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,480
But so so, look, so that's the worst of the

477
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,799
accusations against them really, other than as far as what

478
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,039
they ever did to America. It was just really not

479
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,039
true that Solder was their sock puppet, or that those

480
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,839
bombs came from Iran. As I said, I cited all

481
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720
those sources where they found over and over again these

482
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:09,400
bombs were being made in Iraq by Iraqis and including

483
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,160
Oh did I leave off who wasn't in a Christian

484
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,079
Science Monitor It may Sam Dagger, I think in the

485
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,759
Christian Science Monitor had one. I left that off the list.

486
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,359
But anyway, so, yeah, their accusations against Iran really fall

487
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,839
flat and come down to the fact that they had

488
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,119
this missile program that they are now using. It was

489
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:34,400
their deterrent and now their bluff has been called. So

490
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,319
they're using it to demonstrate that they can and will

491
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,480
again next time too. And then they're saying, aha, see

492
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:43,519
they have these missiles and that proves why we had

493
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,119
to do this now when they were only shooting a

494
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:47,720
match it because you're the one who started the war

495
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,440
in the first place, you know. And then they claimed

496
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,519
the nuclear program. And look, the reality is for almost

497
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:04,720
everybody that nuclear mean one dangerous, if not scary, and

498
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:13,319
also two very complicated and essentially somebody else's job to

499
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480
know about and tell us about. Like, what are you

500
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,119
really going to do? Read a bunch of books about

501
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
nuclear stuff? You're probably not. So what do you know

502
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,759
about nukes? You got from TV? Probably? And maybe you

503
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,240
know the difference between an adam bomb and a hydrogen bomb.

504
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,480
Maybe you don't. You know one's bigger than the other.

505
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,960
But you know that when your government says that, listen,

506
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,759
this country is run by religious mad men who would

507
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,599
stop at nothing to nuke you and your jammi's if

508
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,799
they had the chance, and they're working on getting the

509
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,599
chance to do it. Then that is a costUS belly

510
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,680
in the minds of a lot of Americans. Now, it

511
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,279
wasn't good enough for Eisenhower to invade the Soviet Union,

512
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,160
wasn't good enough for Johnson to invade China, But it's

513
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,799
supposed to be a good enough reason for America to

514
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,079
invade Iran to prevent them from getting new And then

515
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,240
whether they're actually getting them or not comes down to

516
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,119
whether you like the current president or whether it's the

517
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,200
other guy this time. It's basically what it comes down

518
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,359
to you, because people just don't know. However, I think

519
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,640
it actually is only fair to ask people to just

520
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,079
stop and think it out as their own just thought

521
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:24,319
experiment in their head for a moment that like, haven't

522
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,960
they been telling you that I wrong was making nuclear

523
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,680
weapons for say, your entire lifetime. Don't you think they'd

524
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920
have a single atom bomb by now? They don't have

525
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,799
a single atom bomb, much less hundreds of them, much

526
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,920
less thermonuclear weapons and delivery systems. Why. The reason why

527
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,799
this is nineteen forties technology. Even a Nagasaki style plutonium

528
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,839
implosion device, much more sophisticated than the Hiroshima gun type nuke,

529
00:30:55,319 --> 00:31:02,039
is nineteen forty five technology man. And so there's only

530
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,279
one explanation for why they don't have any atom bombs.

531
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:12,519
They didn't make any. They never tried. They weren't making

532
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:17,119
atom bombs. Those were lies by the Israelis and the

533
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Israeli War Party in the United States of America. That's it.

534
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,400
They weren't making nukes. And it's okay. If you want

535
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,440
to hate and fear and distrust them, you should Why

536
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,920
should you presume the innocence of some theocracy, of some

537
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,160
alien religion on the other side of the planet. You

538
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,720
should not presume their innocence. But you can actually observe

539
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,799
their behavior from here. If you pay close attention, you

540
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,799
can see this is not opaque. This is not about

541
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
the dark side of Mars where we can't really tell

542
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,119
what's happening. We can too tell what's happening. We know

543
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,119
what they have. They have a civilian nuclear program, and

544
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,559
we know that up until at least June, they were

545
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,759
not diverting their nuclear material to any military purpose. We

546
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,480
know they've never enriched to weapons grade. We know that

547
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,359
in twenty fifteen they poured concrete into their heavy water

548
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,079
reactor so it could never be used. And even have

549
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,599
the potential for producing plutonium, which could provide a separate

550
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,079
route to the bomb. Their light water reactor cannot produce

551
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,559
plutonium or waste that can be even reprocessed to produce

552
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,079
nuclear weapons fuel, and their enrichment has all of uranium

553
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,720
two thirty five has always remained below weapons grade, and

554
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,200
even when they went up to sixty percent, it was

555
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,039
as obvious as the sun in the sky that this

556
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,559
is simply a bargaining chip to try to get back

557
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:42,079
into the negotiations and get sanctions, relieve and try to

558
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,440
normalize relations. And as Joe Kent has been saying in

559
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,119
his recent interviews, he calls it the escalation ladder. The

560
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,799
Uranians have the sock puppet militias in Iraq, the same

561
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,039
ones that are allied with the Iraqi Army that George W.

562
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:59,680
Bush built over there. Not their enemies, their allied malicious

563
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,839
that really rose up, especially to fight against ISIS after

564
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,799
Obama built the caliphate in his time. But these guys

565
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,440
were doing potshot attacks from time to time on American

566
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,319
bases in Iraq as well as American bases in Jordan

567
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,119
and Syria, and some people were killed in h I'm

568
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,480
sorry man, I'm forgetting the I'm blanket on the dates

569
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,119
and times. It may have even been some of them

570
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:26,359
in reaction to Solamani's assassination. Yeah, because that kicked off

571
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,400
some with Katid Hesbala, which is Iraqi Hesbala, and then

572
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,079
there were also later attacks. I forgot what was supposedly

573
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:38,039
the the the precipitating factor, But there were attacks that

574
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,480
killed Americans in station in Syria but were within range

575
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,319
of these Iraqi militias. So Joe Kent says that when

576
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,519
Trump came in, the Iyad Tolan knows that this guy's

577
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,279
no pushover, and he clearly comand and Control top down

578
00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:01,200
ordered the Iraqi SHIAI malicious to cool it. We were

579
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,839
going to try to get back into negotiations with this guy.

580
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,359
You know. Joe Biden didn't want to negotiate, didn't want

581
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,079
to do anything to get back in the Obama deal,

582
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,719
even though it was his own staff for the same

583
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,199
people who'd done it in the Obama years. He did not.

584
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,199
He kept Trump one's you know, ultimate crippling sanctions campaign

585
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,199
as they called it, what do they call it? Not

586
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,679
crippling sanctions was Obama before Trump called it the maximum

587
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,760
Pressure campaign, and Joe Biden kept that even worse than

588
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920
the crippling sanctions of the Obama times and did nothing

589
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,920
to resolve the issue. But so it was in Biden's

590
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,280
lame duck period in twenty twenty. In December of twenty twenty,

591
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,599
the Israelis they used the Mujahadini called communist terrorists cult

592
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,920
to assassinate a guy named Fakun Zada who was the

593
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:59,480
head of Iran's nuclear program. And then in and there

594
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,920
was something the Iranians did in direct response to that

595
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,599
that I'm sorry, I forget I have to go back

596
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,719
and look at that. Then in April of twenty one,

597
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:12,159
so five months later, they did a sabotage attack at

598
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,480
Natance and attacked the power plant that supported the centrifuge

599
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,920
cascades at Natance. And in response to that, they started

600
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,320
enriching up to sixty percent. And so, yeah, they were

601
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,480
playing hardball. Their point was they're trying to get back

602
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,760
into the deal, and the deal which guaranteed the civilian

603
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,559
nature of their nuclear program and vastly expanded inspections and

604
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,199
the rest the deal that Trump had torn up before.

605
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,079
And so then when you get to Trump's second term,

606
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:47,400
here It's clear that, especially from all of Netanyahu's trips

607
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,519
to the United States and the way that the War

608
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,639
Party has pushed all of this thing, that they were

609
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,639
determined to get Trump into this, and I don't know

610
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,239
at what point he agreed. I think probably very early

611
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,880
on he agreed with Yahoo to do this. I'm very

612
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,400
dubious about this story, by the way, about Trump being

613
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880
sort of blackmailed into this, as Rubio would put it

614
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,679
that or did put it in that one press conference

615
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440
at Israel was going to start this war and drag

616
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,039
America kicking and screaming into it by forcing the IATOLA

617
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,679
to hit American targets and then forcing Trump to hit back.

618
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,239
You know, they had talked about doing that to Obama,

619
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,119
and they had even talked about doing that to George W.

620
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Bush in two thousand and seven, trying to do an

621
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,639
end run around w Bush and have Israel start the war.

622
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,400
But they didn't dare do that to w. Bush and

623
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,039
they didn't even dare do that to Obama. The idea

624
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:42,239
that net and Yaho would do that to Trump. Nah.

625
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,360
What happened here was net and Yahoo convinced Trump and

626
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Trump agreed, and they did it so it's still all

627
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,840
Israel's fault, except that Donald Trump is the president of

628
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,159
the United States, not Benjamin Nett Yahoo. But it's you know,

629
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,280
responsibility is a quality, not a quantity, So you can

630
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,280
divvy it up how you like. But it was clearly

631
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
still the Israel least that browbeat Donald Trump's government into

632
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,519
doing this thing and into accepting their idiot red line

633
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:08,199
of any enrichment at all is the same thing as

634
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,559
a nuclear weapons program. And so we can't let them

635
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,840
have any enrichment at all. Once you get him to

636
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:19,199
agree to that, well, now you know, it's like stand

637
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,000
by me that they throw their hats over the fence

638
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,280
of the junkyard. Now they gotta climb the fence and

639
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,760
go run across. So it's that kind of thing, like, well,

640
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,800
once you agreed to the thing that they that you

641
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,079
will bomb them over the thing that we know that

642
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,760
they will never give up no matter what, what are

643
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,400
you going to do now? And so they got him

644
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,960
in it and and so look, that's the longest hell

645
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,760
answer to like, who's at war with who? Here? United

646
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,960
States of America is the global superpower? Is the world

647
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,079
empire has been doing all this too. Iran and by

648
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,920
the way, just like when you talk about, you know,

649
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,360
the expansion of the Empire in Eastern Europe and all

650
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,320
the warnings along the way, We've had plenty of off

651
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,760
ramps along the way. We're in the nineteen nineties, for example,

652
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,039
So big New Brazinski who had egged all over his

653
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,760
face from the Rainy Revolution being all his fault and

654
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,880
on his watch on a hostage crisis and all the

655
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,639
rest of that. Other than Jimmy Carter, no one was

656
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,639
more humiliated than some big New Brazinski for that. But

657
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,559
by nineteen ninety three he said, oh, we can do

658
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,119
business with them. We really want to screw the Russians.

659
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,039
So let's build a pipeline across Iran. And then you

660
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,440
know who agreed with him. Henry Kissinger's buddy, supposedly Alexander Haig,

661
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:33,039
Ronald Reagan's secretary of State, said yeah, that's what we

662
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,760
should do. We should build a pipeline across Iran. And

663
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,119
you know who else agree with him? Dick Cheney, the

664
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,760
former congressman and former Defense secretary turned CEO of Halliburton, said,

665
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,039
I'll build the pipeline across Iran. Bill Clinton should lift

666
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,960
his irresponsible sanctions. Doesn't he know that God didn't see

667
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,559
fit to put all the oil under countries with nice

668
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,679
democratic governments that we like. Oh well, we got to

669
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,519
do business with these people. Fact that Cheney even committed

670
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,000
the cardinal sin, at least at the time, this was

671
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,800
considered to be a terrible faux pas to criticize your

672
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,119
own government's foreign policy while you're standing on foreign soil.

673
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,119
And he complained about Bill Clinton's sanctions against Iran while

674
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,480
he was on a junket in Australia, and that was

675
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:22,920
seen as like a scandalous thing for him to criticize

676
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Clinton for anything while he was standing on Australia and

677
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,960
soil to do it. But that was what it was about,

678
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,880
because he was saying Clinton should lift the sanctions and

679
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,480
let us do business with the Iotola, because why the

680
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
hell not. The mean old Iotola died in nineteen eighty nine.

681
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,480
This is Iotola comedy. We had robson, Johnny and Katami.

682
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,559
Were these new so called, you know, reformist presidents who

683
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,119
came in who the Iotola gave permission to try to

684
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,599
suck up to Bill Clinton and try to normalize relations.

685
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,599
And you know what happened. The Israel lobby said, no,

686
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,039
you know, that was the only force that could beat

687
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,119
the oil companies led by Rockefeller men like Henry Kissinger's guy, Haig.

688
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,800
I don't know I know exactly Haiges connection to the Rockefellers,

689
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,880
but obviously he was Kissinger's guy, and Kissinger was Nelson

690
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,599
Rockefeller's guy, and some bigger brasilent Sky was David Rockefeller's guy.

691
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,760
So this is standard Oil of New Jersey aka Exxon,

692
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,000
the most powerful corporation in the history of the world.

693
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,840
You've probably heard of it. So who could stop them?

694
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Who's that? Dick Cheney, the former Defense secretary. You just

695
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,800
won a war. The Israel lobby, they said, no, you

696
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,199
have to have dual containment from Saudi arabi You have

697
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
to stay in Saudi Arabia to balance against Iraq and Iran,

698
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,639
both keep the Cold War going against them both and

699
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:36,199
normalize nothing, which of course was the primary cause of

700
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,079
turning America Saudi and Britain's Alcada mercenaries against the United States.

701
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:47,039
Is occupying that supposedly holy Arabian peninsula there and so

702
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,800
this is that huge cost to the United States that

703
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:54,519
they had this policy on behalf of Israel, which prevented

704
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,239
this normalization of relations with Iran way back then. And

705
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,719
then when w. Bush came into power, and in fact

706
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
they waited I think until right after the sacking of Baghdad,

707
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
and then they came to well, no, no, no, pardon me,

708
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,519
let me rewind. After September eleventh they held And I

709
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:12,559
may have said this wrong before because somebody called me

710
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,639
out for this and I couldn't find it. But I

711
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,719
thought I remembered it pretty well. I've got some pictures

712
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,800
in my brain that were much wider angles that I

713
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,159
was not able to find. I do have to admit that.

714
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:26,079
So I used to say it was a million man

715
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,199
vigil and I was not able to find out though

716
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,719
maybe I can do some more digging. But it was

717
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,920
at least like thousands of thousands of people came out

718
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,000
in Tehran in a government sanctioned type event to do

719
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,800
like a candlelight vigil for the American people. There was

720
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,280
on September twelfth, or it was one week later, or

721
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,480
something very close to that, and it was it was

722
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,360
sanctioned by the regime and on top of which that's

723
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,760
just symbolic. But the point is that, according to Flint,

724
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,840
Leverett and Hillary Man Leverett who I believe Hillary Hillary,

725
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,880
she was just Hillary Man. Then I believe was at

726
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,400
State or maybe she was at CIA. And then her husband,

727
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,840
Flint Leverett or her future husband Flint Levertt, was on

728
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,679
the National Security Council and they were in charge of

729
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,440
dealing with Iran during that time, and Iran was sucking

730
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:18,440
up to the United States. Because here's the way Iran

731
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,519
saw it. They said, oh, you want to kill the Taliban.

732
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,800
We want to kill the Taliban. They had actually been

733
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,239
planning on invading Afghanistan, which I think they earlier that

734
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,559
summer and had decided not to. But the Iranians, I

735
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,039
mean par me the Taliban had killed some Iranians spies

736
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:40,320
aka diplomats, had just executed them, and the Iranians were

737
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,039
considering going ahead and attacking the Taliban. Says, oh, you

738
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:44,960
want to kill the Taliban, will help you. Here's their

739
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,960
hideouts and whatever. Just like the Russians gave us intelligence

740
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,719
to help fight the Taliban from the beginning of the

741
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,119
war in Afghanistan, and then they said, you know, any

742
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,760
help against the bin Laden Knites were happy to provide,

743
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,880
and in fact, we caught some and we'd be happy

744
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,199
to negotiate with you over trading them, for example, some

745
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,719
members of the Mujaidini Kalk And this came up again

746
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
after the war. But this is in the very early

747
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,719
part before Rock War two, after September eleventh, but before

748
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Rock War two, they were giving America intelligence. People would say,

749
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,119
you know, the Hawks often say, oh, all these al

750
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,760
Qaeda guys had safe haven and refuge inside Iran. That

751
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,559
wasn't true. They were like under house arrest, and the

752
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,320
question was whether we could properly negotiate for them to

753
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,679
be handed over. They hadn't committed any crimes in Iran,

754
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,800
but they were under control and after fleeing there mostly

755
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,639
from the Afghan War. And then w Bush ruined that

756
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,000
this was like in just the first few months of it.

757
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,719
He put the first big stake in that when he

758
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,440
put Iran in the axis of evil in his State

759
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,559
of the Union speech of January of two thousand and two,

760
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,360
where he says, get this, okay, there's this axis of evil.

761
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,840
It's Saddam Hussein, the secular. Soon he bought this with

762
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,960
the mustache and the beret. It's him and the Ayatola comedie,

763
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,840
the guy who they just bought an eight year war

764
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,880
with you know, the guys the gas with Mustard and

765
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,159
Sarah and tabin nerve Gas is horrific, for these are

766
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:23,639
deadly blood enemies here and Osama bin Laden, who of course,

767
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,519
both of those guys are terrified of his you know,

768
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:31,079
Solifie suicide bomber head chopper, you know revolutionaries, you know,

769
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,719
band of roaming mercenaries and terrorists, and oh and Kim

770
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,199
Jong il over there in North Korea. These guys are

771
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,079
all in alliance together get it axis like Mussolini and

772
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,239
Hitler and Tojo Hirohito all all lined up against you,

773
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,280
don't you see. And of course the only reason they

774
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,599
threw in North Korea was because if they said Syria,

775
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,760
you'd just like they wait a minute, This Axis of

776
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,920
be evil list was written in Tel Aviv, not in Washington,

777
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,599
d C. What is this stuff? Which was really the case.

778
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:10,000
And so when they did that, the Iranians were really

779
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,199
unnotice And then you know, Levertt said, and it's been

780
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:14,440
a long time, I should go back and listen to

781
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,599
my own interviews of LeVert, because we talked deep about this,

782
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,000
and he wrote a book about it called Going to Tehran.

783
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:26,000
They both did he and his wife Hillary, And I

784
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:28,599
know there was still at least some cooperation going because

785
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:32,519
it was just after the invasion of Iraq. There was

786
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,280
a Terroristan maybe it was in early o four, It

787
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,519
might have been in early O four there was a

788
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:41,519
terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia, and the War Party in

789
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,360
like the Neo cons and the Vice President's office convinced w.

790
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Bush that the attack had been orchestrated from Iran. And

791
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,039
this proved that Iran was protecting al Qaeda and using

792
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,599
al Qaeda to kill Americans in Saudi, which is just

793
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,559
total idiocy. But they convinced Bush that ce, the Iranians

794
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,000
can never be our partners in the war against al Qada.

795
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,840
They use al Qaeda against us, Sir blah blah blah.

796
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,639
And he bought that line of crap, and so that

797
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,000
really helped us spoil any possibility of the warming of

798
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,880
relations with Iran at that time. And then one more thing,

799
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,880
real fast was then very important golden offer right after

800
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,880
the invasion of Iraq, where they said we want to

801
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,320
negotiate Hamas and Hesbala, we want to negotiate even our

802
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,480
potential nuclear program, which didn't even really exist at that point,

803
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,159
we want to negotiate oil rights with you, energy, whatever

804
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,360
you want. Let's normalize relations and figure this out. And

805
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,800
the Bush administration told them to go to hell, refuse

806
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,559
to talk to them. Even though we fought a rock

807
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,000
War two for them for eight years, we refused to

808
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:44,719
talk to them almost the whole time.

809
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,599
Speaker 2: It's absurd, Genuinely it's absurd. I was driving to the

810
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,559
gym the other day early and I sort of had

811
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:54,960
this thought because, you know, one of my buddies had

812
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,400
sent me, you know, a news message from ABC basically

813
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,239
talking about how you know, the conditions you know that

814
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,840
can that make you eligible for you know, rolling in

815
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,599
the Army have been massively loocid.

816
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: Right.

817
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,159
Speaker 2: You can be older, you can be fatter, you can

818
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:14,599
be dumber. And I just had this crushing realization that,

819
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,920
like time is a flat circle, the last twenty years

820
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,519
have just been one giant circle and here we are again.

821
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,519
Speaker 1: Sucks to be me. I'll tell you what, Well, I'm

822
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,239
talking about pissing up a rope man. How about the

823
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,360
last twenty years of my life? Ah?

824
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: Well, and that's that's really what I want to ask you.

825
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:40,360
I'm genuinely curious about this because I lived through, you know,

826
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,719
the build up to you know, the g WATT, But

827
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,039
I was pretty young, and so while I remember it,

828
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,719
you know, it's it's my childhood, I don't have the

829
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,000
best you know, I guess recall for exactly what was

830
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:56,320
going on, But if you could, could you compare how

831
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,000
it felt? Is it the same? Is it different? Because

832
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,039
it seems as if, and this is an interesting discussion

833
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:08,599
on its own, other than the very narrow, consciously selected

834
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,599
group of MAGA Republicans writ whatever that term means, this

835
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,000
war is already deeply unpopular. So I guess, if I

836
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,599
could put it more succinctly, does this really feel like

837
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,559
the g WATT all over again? Does something seem different

838
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,760
to you as someone who's, again, as you've said, been

839
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,280
talking about this for two decades.

840
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a lot like Iraq and for that matter,

841
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,719
Obama's dirty war in Syria. In this sense of one

842
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,760
is the absolute unforced error, where there's nothing that says

843
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,079
that you had to do this today when you didn't

844
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:43,719
have to do it yesterday, and you don't have to

845
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,760
do it tomorrow, but today you had to. There's just

846
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,519
nothing happening, there's no imminent threat there's nothing that changed,

847
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,239
some artificial deadline expired or some kind of crap. Right,

848
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,920
just did not have to do it. Man. So many

849
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,480
other options for resolving these things, I mean, especially like

850
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:03,639
you look at a rock The Secretary of State was

851
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,800
Colin Powell, the former four star general, chairman of the

852
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:10,920
Shei's of staff, successful prosecutor of a Rock War one.

853
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,719
You couldn't have sent him over there to tell Saddam,

854
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,039
who's saying, all right, listen, you dirty sob here's the

855
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:18,840
riot Act.

856
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: Sign it, Oh, run this experiment?

857
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, Colon Pale's too much of a

858
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,159
whim So send Donald Rumsveld over there. Donald Rumsveld, torture

859
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,679
child in front, Saddam, do what I say. Sign on

860
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,960
the dotted line. They weren't willing to bully the guy.

861
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,639
There's nothing short of regime change will do. I'm sorry.

862
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:41,360
That's just crazy. And it was crazy then and listen

863
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,840
and here's how it is, and just like it is

864
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,039
now and then it's just whose side are you on?

865
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,679
The South Park at the time. I love this. I

866
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,599
actually rewatched this within the last year. The South Park

867
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,679
really only one big episode that they did about a

868
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,159
Rock War two was had nothing to do with Saddam

869
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,079
Hussein or rock or weapons or al Qaeda or threats

870
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:07,639
or nothing, nothing, nothing at all. The division in the

871
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,039
town over whether we should go to war with Iraq

872
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719
was whether you like country or whether you like rock

873
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,159
and roll. And if you're with Jim Bow and the

874
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,000
rednecks out on the suburbs and further, then you gotta

875
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:22,400
go get them terrorists, kick their ass and take their

876
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,920
gas and fight the bad guy and start the Saddam

877
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,199
and thing. But then if you live in the city

878
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,320
and you listen to National Public Radio and you like

879
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,159
Paul Simon records or whatever, then you know that, like, no,

880
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,880
this is a terrible thing to do. You don't you know,

881
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,840
Saddam didn't have anything to do with nine to eleven,

882
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,920
you big redneck dumb dumbs and whatever that. And then

883
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,360
so that was it. That was the cultural divide. And

884
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,840
if somebody said, listen, Saddam isn't friends with Osama, they

885
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,519
would say, you're a Democrat, because that's just how people are, right.

886
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,559
It's the same way as like, remember how extra long

887
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,800
so many democrats kept their stupid masks on where they

888
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,960
didn't even have to anymore because they were just still

889
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,559
trying to signal that I'm not one of those Trump voters.

890
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,599
Those are the kinds of people who want to take

891
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,840
their mass off so irresponsibly as fast as they can.

892
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,119
Look at me. I'm a good little Democrat with my

893
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,239
masks still on. Whatever. This is how people are, It's all.

894
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,000
I wrote a tweet attacking Jack Kennedy the other day

895
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,960
and one of the first responses was accusing me of

896
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,920
defending Donald Trump and something that Donald Trump had done.

897
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,840
There's no like, it wasn't even a non sequitur because

898
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,320
you couldn't even get to that many syllables like it

899
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,079
doesn't it's not a non nothing, right, It's just nothing.

900
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,559
But what are you even talking about? How could I

901
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,719
possibly say anything bad against Jack Kennedy unless I was

902
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,880
spinning for Trump? Okay, fine, right, So that is how

903
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,840
it was then too. And the thing is, and really,

904
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,960
God damn George W. Bush for this. The worst thing

905
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,719
that anybody did today culture and society in a very

906
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,719
long time, really was demand that people support this war

907
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,159
based on lies, and then double extra worse on top

908
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:13,239
of that, demanding that they support torture. After he got

909
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,760
caught torturing people and so first of all was the

910
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:24,159
lie that Saddam somehow his friends with al Qaeda before

911
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,719
was after May May not. But there's something like had

912
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,119
something to do with helping Osaom bin Laden attack us.

913
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,159
And basically, if you were a country and you believe

914
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,679
that at the time, then you basically bought it whole hog.

915
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,440
Saddam did nine to eleven. Now they didn't want to stop,

916
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,000
and so South, well, how can we attack Afghanistan immediately?

917
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:46,039
But we have to go ask the UN Security Council

918
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,400
and permission from the French and the Chinese to be

919
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,599
allowed to start this war. It's because he didn't do

920
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,920
nine to eleven, that's goddamn why Okay, but they weren't.

921
00:52:56,119 --> 00:53:00,719
Uh whatever? Do you love terrorism? And then so, but

922
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,400
then to the right side, who believed this, which is

923
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,639
virtually unanimous on the right other than the American Conservative Magazine,

924
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,400
a few other great readouts and some great palaeoconns and

925
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,920
libertarians of course, but there's virtually unanimous on the right

926
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,320
that yes, Saddam did do nine to eleven. And you,

927
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,280
Homo Kami, left wing trader to America, you love terrorism,

928
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,840
you love Saddam Hussein. How can you hate America so

929
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:34,199
much that you would side with Saddam Hussein and the

930
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,840
nine to eleven attackers against this country. You despicable Kami,

931
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:43,679
rat trader, Pinko whatever. But the thing is they were

932
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
stupid and wrong about that, and the hippies were right,

933
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,519
the Kami's were right, and those right wingers were illiterate

934
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,320
and had no idea what they were talking about. The

935
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,920
guy with the mustache is different than the guy with

936
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,519
the beard, y'all. And yet you had families destroyed over this,

937
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,639
fathers and daughters who never spoke to each other again

938
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:08,800
over this. Across this country, people hated each other, hated

939
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,280
their neighbors who had been their best friends. I can't

940
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,000
believe you are so stupid that you think that it's

941
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,519
okay to do this. I can't believe you're such a

942
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:20,280
commi rat trader that you think it's okay to not

943
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,840
do this. And it was just really like the partisanship

944
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,239
of today was really born then. I mean, there always

945
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,719
was whatever kind of faux competition, but you know, in

946
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,199
two thousand, I sold the bumper sticker. I'm that old.

947
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,000
I had a bumper sticker company back then, and I

948
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,039
sold the bumpersuit that Bush and Gore on it, and

949
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:43,360
it said, how is the nation divided if the candidates agree?

950
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,039
Because now they were both just competing for who could

951
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,119
be the most centrist right, the compassionate conservative and the

952
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,119
conservative Democrat. I get the hell out of here, right like.

953
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,480
So it was it was I Rock War two that

954
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,800
reinvented that kind of partisan hatred, and it was based

955
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,079
on this abject study. And then they got caught torturing

956
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:06,559
people to death, and they went, one, it isn't torture,

957
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,800
and two, it is two torture, and three all good

958
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:17,960
true American patriot anti terrorists support torturing people because otherwise

959
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:21,239
would if they were gonna nuke your city and then

960
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,679
you only you had to torture someone to get them

961
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,880
to tell the secret of where the nuke is. And

962
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,760
it was a ticking time bomb scenario. And they put

963
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,840
on TV keeper Sutherland in twenty four where in every

964
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,960
episode he has to torture some guy to prevent an

965
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,440
Adam baumb from going on. And they did this, and

966
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,320
there's an article in the New Yorker magazine I Believe

967
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,079
by Jane Mayer, who later disgraced herself with the Stele

968
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,360
dossier stuff, but still I'm pretty sure it was by her.

969
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,559
It was in the New Yorker, and it was about how,

970
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,599
oh yes, in the words of the producers, they made

971
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,280
twenty four to help normalize torture, and they did it worked,

972
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,199
They put it on fire, and people loved it. And

973
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,800
it told the story that if government can't break the law,

974
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,599
you'll get killed, and so they have to and so,

975
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:12,199
and there's actually and they can even torture bound prisoners

976
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,400
to death and you can't object. And they demanded that

977
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,079
the American right come with them on that path to hell,

978
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,599
and they went for it. And the polls all show

979
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:23,320
the more you go to church, the more you support torture,

980
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,920
because it's the more loyal you are to the w

981
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:31,039
Bush regime as part of the right. You don't listen

982
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,400
to rock and roll. You listen to the country station,

983
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,039
and you believe in Jesus. So that's how you know

984
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:39,719
you have to let George Bush torture people to death

985
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,639
for the greater glory of God and the American flag.

986
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,480
That was how it was. That is how absolutely stupid

987
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,239
and horrible it was. And then you wonder where Barack

988
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,840
Obama came from it was. He was, on the surface,

989
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,519
the opposite of Bush, and people were desperate for that

990
00:56:56,639 --> 00:57:00,360
era to finally end. And so the pendulum then swung

991
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,840
to like this idiot progressivism that you know so well

992
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,480
from the Obama years when you were a little bit older.

993
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,599
But there would have never been an Obama if it

994
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,039
hadn't have been for the way that George Bush had

995
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:16,119
done all that and the level of pressure. You know,

996
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,079
the internet was the Internet and everything, don't get me wrong,

997
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,320
but it was nothing like the social media of today,

998
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,800
and the TV was still so much more dominant, and

999
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,760
Fox News, like you just think of Sean Hanny. I mean,

1000
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,840
you know who Sean Hannity is now. I want you

1001
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,239
to seriously imagine Sean Hannity at twenty five years younger

1002
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:40,400
and twenty five years louder and more certain, just at

1003
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,760
the top of his lungs every day, shouting down anyone

1004
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,599
who knew better at all him and Bill O'Reilly too,

1005
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:51,079
there were the twins there. And Hannity had this extra

1006
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,679
little stunt where he had the weakest, little milk toast

1007
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,719
pussy boy liberal named Alan Colmes who would come and

1008
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,800
just be his straw man and punching bag. Oh, Lucien, Sean,

1009
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,159
I agree with everything you say. It's just this one

1010
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,880
little thing. And then Sean hay Go, you hate America

1011
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,159
and then beat the crap out of them every night,

1012
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,960
and just and man, it worked so well, it works

1013
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,480
so well, and people, you know, I'd like to joke

1014
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,280
about how I studied social psychology for one semester in

1015
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,559
junior college. So that's how I know that it's just

1016
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,960
the most important thing of all, right, is like what

1017
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,199
you think other people think about what you think. Like,

1018
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,760
for one example, I'm just gonna, you know, forgive me

1019
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,119
for this, but like if you thought that your entire

1020
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:41,960
audience would just somehow immediately just they would never be

1021
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,320
able to break from the conclusion that you're some kind

1022
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,599
of communist because you had a libertarian on to say

1023
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:51,760
things against our foreign policy, Like you might not really

1024
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,440
ever talk to me again. You might not have had

1025
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:55,559
me on at all if you really thought that, like,

1026
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,840
everyone's gonna misunderstand you. Everyone's gonna think that you're something

1027
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:01,679
or not in a way where they're never gonna listen

1028
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:03,880
to you again. They're never gonna take they're never gonna

1029
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,159
care about the things that you want to help persuade

1030
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,880
them to care about if you do this, or at

1031
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,199
least you'd have to do this interview very differently where

1032
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:12,760
you don't just give me this free reign like this.

1033
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,960
You'd have to prove every six minutes what a right

1034
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,280
winger you are still, And that does Scott Wharton just

1035
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,800
cause Scott Hurton saying this stuff about the war doesn't

1036
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,679
mean that I'm a comedy now, guys or whatever, like

1037
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,480
you see like, And it depends on who the audience is.

1038
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:27,320
It depends, I guess, on like what your chat room

1039
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,079
is saying. Right, if we're live in your chat room

1040
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,920
hates my guts like that matters, you see what I mean?

1041
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,480
And that's the social psychology of it all. What did

1042
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,159
What did these people think about? What you think? If

1043
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,880
you take off your mask a little liberal, everyone's gonna

1044
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,719
think you're a Trump voter and you can't have that right.

1045
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,119
And if you oppose the war, everyone's gonna think you're

1046
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:49,320
some sissy boy liberal Democrat And you just, dude, what

1047
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,119
if your uncle Bob stopped respecting you? You're not willing

1048
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,960
to sacrifice the respect of your uncle Bob, and you

1049
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,880
know he's a solid right winger, he's a national security guy,

1050
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,880
and you're just not gonna You're going to make that

1051
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,440
trade off somewhere and in the I don't know. I

1052
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,079
think it's less worse now, must be less worse now, because,

1053
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:10,199
as you said in introducing the question, really the polls

1054
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:15,679
already show right. But that certainly was the way it

1055
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,760
was then. The peer pressure, as the guidance counselors would say,

1056
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,239
was at one hundred and thirty percent on the entire

1057
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,920
right and really the entire center left as well. You

1058
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,559
had Ken Pollock and Michael O'Hanlon, Peter Beinart and Jeffrey

1059
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:35,440
Goldberg and all these damn center left liberal Democrat hawks,

1060
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,239
and of course John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Dick

1061
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,639
Gephard and all these in the Senate who were all

1062
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,920
the national security Democrats who all said, w Bush is right,

1063
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,239
we have to do this so to make sure it

1064
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,639
was not a partisan thing, that was somehow some national

1065
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:52,440
security consensus and all that. Where Trump is much more reckless,

1066
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,760
I think I don't think he really would have been

1067
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,880
able to get the American national security establishment on board

1068
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760
for this. I don't know what the politics are like

1069
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,039
inside the Pentagon right now. But there's got to be

1070
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,320
generals and admirals who are absolutely furious about this thing.

1071
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,400
It's already an absolute shit show, and it cannot be

1072
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:14,519
I well, somebody showed me some good journalism. I got

1073
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:17,039
an open mind. I'm willing to hear it. But I

1074
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,199
do not believe that what we are seeing here is

1075
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,840
the long term strategic planning of the Pentagon Joint Staff

1076
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,880
being implemented by our civilian figureheads. Here, this is the lacud.

1077
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,920
This is greater Israel at the expense of the United States,

1078
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,559
even at the expense of the United States Empire, not

1079
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:36,480
in further into of its own goals.

1080
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: Well, man, I think that's I mean, it's obvious, you know,

1081
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,199
despite all the invective that's thrown out by you know,

1082
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,920
Mark Levin, John Podhorritz, who is a legitimate crazy person

1083
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,360
in need of a padded room, or even Alan Dershwitz. Right,

1084
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,840
I'm working on a piece right now talking about exactly that,

1085
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:59,199
you know, Alan Dershowitz going up to completely and totally insane.

1086
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,719
Speaker 1: Hey, guess what you know. I know the funniest John

1087
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,800
podhr Its anecdote in the whole world, And I'm shoot,

1088
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:05,800
I can't.

1089
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,079
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, But you mentioned earlier, right, you said,

1090
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,800
you know, imagine listening to a twenty five years younger

1091
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,320
version of Sean Hannity. I don't have to. That's how

1092
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,239
I grew up, right, bumping around on country roads listening

1093
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,360
to you know, shortwave radio. And I mean, you know,

1094
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,159
even to that point. I don't have it out now.

1095
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,920
But the reason I occasionally bring out a cardboard life

1096
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,480
sized cutout of George W. Bush is because I went

1097
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:36,079
to summer camp and they had one at the front. Yeah, yeah,

1098
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,079
I had Is it Jesus Camp.

1099
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,599
Speaker 1: Or was it that?

1100
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 2: It was almost exactly the same. Oh wow, geographically distant,

1101
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,480
But I mean I would have been at camp like

1102
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,239
when that movie was filmed, you know. Like, so point

1103
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,039
is I know exactly what you're talking about. I lived

1104
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,760
through it. I'll beet a very different version. But one

1105
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,639
of the things that I've found really interesting, and I'm

1106
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:07,480
listening to my sources, and I have multiple on this

1107
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,320
who are in the more establishment world, right, who are

1108
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,840
in places like Heritage, who are in these sort of institutions,

1109
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,239
and what I'm hearing from them is basically, there's a

1110
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,400
civil war ripping through every one of these institutions on

1111
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:28,440
foreign policy and be more explicit on the issue of Israel.

1112
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,760
It is sharply generationally divided. You see this in the polling,

1113
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,599
I'm sure you see it in your audience, and I

1114
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:40,199
certainly see it in just my personal interactions with people.

1115
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,800
And obviously we understand that's what this whole episode has

1116
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,440
been about, that there is not a direct correlation between

1117
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,079
what most people think is a good idea and what

1118
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,880
actually gets done in Washington or Tel Aviv. Right, we

1119
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:57,920
understand that. But fundamentally, and to your point about this

1120
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,880
not being a long term plan, it seems this war

1121
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,000
has been a disaster on so many levels.

1122
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:04,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1123
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 2: Obviously at the economic level there's you know, a physical

1124
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:12,519
military reality as well, but also politically, this is completely

1125
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:17,320
shattered any sort of consensus or coalition in the magabase

1126
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,599
in other areas. And look, I differ from some thinkers

1127
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,480
on this. You know, there are some people who you know,

1128
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:28,400
will say, you know, we need to learn, like we

1129
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:30,840
need to we need to feel a pain from this

1130
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,599
in order to you know, learn that lesson like that.

1131
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,559
But man, I'm at the point where whatever the reason

1132
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:40,800
we end this, whether it's for polling, reasons, whether it's

1133
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,920
because the economy takes a dump in diesel seven dollars

1134
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,400
a gallon, or whether it's because we just plant a

1135
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,000
flag in the dirt and say we did whatever we

1136
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,199
were going to do in Iran, we got their nuclear

1137
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,320
program that we got last time, or I guess their

1138
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,559
navy's gone. Whatever it is, I don't care, but this

1139
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,599
needs to end. And again, as you've said, not because

1140
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:08,760
I'm a you know, a homosexual, Islamic communist liberal, just

1141
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,599
because it is bad for the country I live in.

1142
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:14,920
You can see the damage the last time we did this,

1143
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,199
the last time we had one of these stupid Middle

1144
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:20,400
Eastern wars, did to our country. I don't want to

1145
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,480
go through that again. And the idea that I am impugned,

1146
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,360
You know that I am slandered and you as well

1147
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,960
many others as unpatriotic as hating the nation, as being

1148
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,199
traders in the face of that is morally galling. As

1149
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:35,559
an understatement. I think that my lawyer will be upset

1150
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:39,639
if I express my true feelings on that. But it's

1151
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:42,079
incredibly insulting, Scott.

1152
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, for the cultural right, you guys especially, and look,

1153
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,840
I think everyone who ain't as woke as hell has

1154
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,920
all moved at least a little bit to the right

1155
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,519
as the you know, in reaction to the woke over

1156
01:05:55,559 --> 01:06:00,199
the last generation. But where did that left wing, you know,

1157
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:06,039
progressivist type cultural hegemony come from. It came from George W.

1158
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,679
Bush discrediting Christian Conservatism by turning it into the war party,

1159
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,559
by turning it into the torture Party, by turning into

1160
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:17,719
the Party of lies from morning till night, where people

1161
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:22,320
are so damn sick of them, they completely I mean

1162
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,639
you think about all of like the major Protestant preachers

1163
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:29,559
on Sunday Morning TV from you know, Hagee and Tilton

1164
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:33,039
and Bolwell and Robertson, all of those guys, all of

1165
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,320
them sold their soul for the war on terrorism, a

1166
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,800
lot of them promising the rapture and promising that this

1167
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,559
is the fulfillment of prophecy. Get it, the year two thousand,

1168
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,239
get it. The Middle East, just like the Bibles from

1169
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,360
the Middle East, dude, get it. So we got to

1170
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,280
do these things because that's what Israel wants. And this

1171
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:57,400
kind of they completely discredited right wing cultural hegemony from

1172
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,719
at least Obama's inauguration until Trump's inauguration a year ago

1173
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,760
and when Trump, you know, was in there in the

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meantime after two terms of Obama and he had the

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first term of Trump, that didn't change anything. The cultural

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left was still dominant through the whole verse Trump term,

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it was really and then he lost twenty and then

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it was only in twenty four where he well, yeah,

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you're fair enough whatever. In effact, he lost twenty and

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in twenty four. Finally his victory was actually seen as

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the culture sing enough woke, enough transing the boys and girls,

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enough of you know, everybody is a racist and especially

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you and whatever all of that stuff. People are so

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sick of that that the Trump election really symbolized finally

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a break after sixteen years straight of leftist cultural hegemony.

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Because Conservatism sold its soul for Israel's war in Iraq.

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It's the same thing that's happening now. Everybody's already predicting.

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You see all the best Maga guys on Twitter saying

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we are so screwed because the Congress is going to

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be back onto the control of the Democrats. And you know,

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for whatever reversals Donald Trump was ever making on whatever,

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you know, left wing craziness was going on. They couldn't

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reverse a lot of that stuff. He still never did

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build that wall, by the way, you know, doing all

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this other stuff, he still is not even stopping the

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illegal immigrants from being able to get into the country.

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So as soon as the government is handed back over

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to the Democrats, it's you know, whatever gains that Conservatives

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have made against woke over the last you know, a

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few years are almost all certain to be reversed. And

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look at who won in twenty four. Man, it wasn't

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a victory just you know, for Trump. It was of

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this massive coalition of not just die hard maga always Trumpers,

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but of everybody who was sick and damn tired to

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the Democrats and the wocus left cultural revolution and wanted

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to put an end to this stuff. And you had

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the most numbers of Blacks and Latinos have voted for Trump,

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you know, compared to the previous two elections. By bar

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It's a huge revolt against price inflation and just all

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the wars and mismanagement of everything in the Biden years especially,

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and just the culmination of just how bad can the

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damn Democrats get? My god, you expect every church to

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burst into flames like the branch Davidian's house at any minute,

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and then what do you got two years gone now

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wasted sacrifice on the altar of Greater Israel completely at

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the detriment of the entire that coalition.

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Speaker 2: Is dead man. And this is what did it well

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one hundred percent. And one of the things that really

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bothers me is this this meme that you've seen sort

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of artificially tried it out, you know, like, oh, the

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PanicIn you know, you're not you're not trusting the plan.

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And look, I voted for Donald Trump the first time

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I ever voted for president. And the reason I did

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it is exactly what you mentioned that, you know, I

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felt like there was at least a marginal chance that

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if Kamala Harris was in you know, was in charge,

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I might get arrested for things I said on the internet.

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It was self serving, but in all seriousness, right, there

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was certainly, you know, like the cultural aspect, but also

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it felt like the country was in a bad way.

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Things weren't going well. And honestly a large part of

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that is that graded on a curve free twenty twenty four,

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Trump comparing to any other twenty first century president, did

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pretty good. On foreign policy wasn't great, but you know what,

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better than some And so given a binary, I think

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a lot of people rolled the dice. They said, you

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know what, fine, I'll give you a shot. Make it stop.

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But that's not this unconditional, eternal, you know, bond of

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loyalty for whatever. My vote mattered and I stayed, it

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didn't much, but you know, it was always predicated on

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you doing the things that you said you were going

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to do. A pretty revolutionary concept in politics, I realized.

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But the idea that again I'm not only a traitor

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to my nation, but apparently more importantly to President Donald Trump,

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because I don't think it's a good idea for him

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to do something that he spent his entire career telling

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us was a bad idea, right, criticizing other presidents for

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foreign wars. It's completely and totally laughable. It's not how

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politics works. Right Anyway, Scott, we are over time. This

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has been fascinating. I really appreciate your expertise. And actually

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I should have said this earlier, but you yourself spoke

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to Joe Kent not too long ago, as far as

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I understand. So, man, where can people find you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, you can find me real easy here on the YouTube.

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I'm at Scott Wharton's show. That's also my handle on

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X and you can find links to all of my

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stuff but on the director of the Libertarian Institute and

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director of the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom.

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I'm the editorial director of antiwar dot Com, host of

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the Scott Warton Show, co host of Provoked with Darryl Cooper,

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and I wrote the books Fool's errand Enough Already and Provoked.

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So but yeah, you can just find all that at

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x dot com slash Scott Horton Show.

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Speaker 2: I will say, because you know, I put out enough

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hours of me talking mostly about serious topics. If I,

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you know, engage too much in material like that, I

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just start regurgitating it. I will say, one of the

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very few serious podcasts that I barely miss an episode

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of is your show with Daryl excellent? I highly recommend it.

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I was going to say the last couple episodes have

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been good. They have been really the whole chronicle of

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this you know, ill conceived war and Iran is worth

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your time. And as you said earlier, Daryl was three

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weeks ahead of time on pointing something out. So if

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you were wondering where do I get news on this war,

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well there's your answer. It's at least better than the

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New York Times. But Scott, this has been a ton

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of fun as far as my stuff, the Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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anywhere you listen to podcasts, this is what I do.

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If you want to support me five bucks a month

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on Patreon, Substack or gum road gets see the episodes.

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Early in ad free Beat brief bit of business. I

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wasn't really happy with how the ads were going out,

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so I made some changes to make them more seamless

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and to also do less of them. So I am

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listening to your complaints. I can't get rid of them

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right because I need to pay my mortgage. But hopefully

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this will be less annoying than how it used to work.

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It's something right again, Scott, this has been great, and

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everyone at home keep your head up. Good night. Thank you,

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But of perfect persigarigram