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Speaker 1: Last time a man told us what happened to him

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tonight we get to the evidence.

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Speaker 2: He says, someone wanted bury.

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Speaker 3: Within seconds, I had this lump in my throat and

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I just went just one little cough and out came

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a blood clots. And in the middle of the blood

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clot was a thing like a grain of whete out

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the side of the grain of wheat.

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Speaker 1: He says, He's not the only one, and they always

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come the same way, in threes, straight through the walls.

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Speaker 3: They're described as being working in threes. When he comes

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to collect abdutees, they will say that maybe the three

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of them come and pick you up. They take him

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through the window, but they can take people through floors

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and apartment blocks and really fit walls.

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Speaker 1: A serious researcher, forensic labs, and a book that vanished

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from Amazon overnight. Let's find out everyone. Welcome back to

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the Good Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. This is part

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two of my conversation with Steve Aspin, author of the

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book Out of Time, the intergenerational abduction program Explored, and

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a second book with doctor Andreas Luck Investigating the Impossible

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Biology offers new answers and insights If you missed part one,

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go back and watch it first, because you're going to

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want to see the full story before you watch this part,

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which is part two. Last time, Steve told us what

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happened to him starting on a building site in rural

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England when he was sixteen, and why he believes it

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runs down his family line. Tonight we get to the

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hard part, the physical evidence, the implants, the lab results,

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and what Steve calls the program, including a claim that

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should stop you cold, that some of these beings.

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Speaker 2: Now look get this like us, and.

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Speaker 1: They walk among us. Let's pick up where we left off.

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Please welcome again, Steve Aspen. You'll hear people say, oh,

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there's no physical evidence of this abduction phenomenon, but quite

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to the contrary, there is.

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Speaker 2: There are these things called implants.

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Speaker 1: And for someone that doesn't know anything about this, tell

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us about implants, and tell us about doctor Roger Lear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the implants, they the abductions. Cite them in antipsies.

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I'm not sure they're in all amptipsies, because I don't

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know all amptipsies. I mean, there's millions of them in

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the world, in the human population, but in my case,

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I know that I won't hear rice. It's in the

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crib reformed place just web No, not not now, but

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because it's gone. But it's where the olfactory nerve enter

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is the brain, and it is the only part of

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the of the the the brain that's visible through the

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nasal passages, not visible, but accessible through nasal passages. And

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there's a there's a guy called what's his name, the

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guy who wrote Demion Lost. It's a guy called He's

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a medical scientist who wrote a book called Demion Lost

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and published in twenty three. He's written a big section

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and in his book about the sighting of implants. And

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there's there's another medic called Miller, John Miller. He's in

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your part of the world as a a traumas surgeon.

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I think he's me. I think he may have retired now,

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but he wrote a lot of papers about this sighting

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of implants and the generally the things that the abductees

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have wrong with them physically, that that that normal norm

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members of the population don't have. But so I take

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a lot of a few quotes from Miller and not

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rap Wan, because he publishes book after Out of Time

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was was published, so he isn't including that but there's

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a lot of people have have identified these these implants,

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what what they where they're sited, and how difficult they

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are to site there, you know, because if they some people,

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a lot of addictees complain. Now they're ringing in one

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one ear for a few seconds each day, and it's

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really quite loud. It just comes and increases in volume,

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and it plateaus and then it decreases in volume. It's

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like a it's like a very strong single notes hum.

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other ear that maybe happens at different intervals. Maybe that

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only goes off once a week or so, but that's

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a different Maybe it's a higher pitch which goes off

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this for it less frequently. So it seems like for

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those advanties that they might might have something placed in

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both ears. But Rapuano demonstrates how the the olfactory. Sorry,

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if you want to reach the ear canals without puncturing

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the ear drum, you have to have instrumentation, very complex

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instrumentation that goes up the nose and round through the

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not into the sinus cavities, but round the same passages

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and go down down through the face and you know,

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the ears and nose are joined up. That's why you

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have in your earnos and throat surgeons which are called

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out our ontologists or something. But Bruce Rajuano demonstrates what

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the abductors must be doing and to get to manage

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to do this, to adoptees to place these implants, and

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it makes the point very strongly that they have to

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have a first of all, extremely sophisticated understanding of human physiology.

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time and resources to designing and manufacturing instrumentation to get

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through these passages in this particular way and cite these implants,

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and then we draw the instrumentation, we leave no marks

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in xterior marks. And he says that this is one

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of the things that proves that this is almost certainly

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some kind of program where they've invested enormous resources in

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these very peculiar, eccentric, intricate surgical procedures and string them

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because they can do them. You know, the tall grays

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can do these things. You know that they can. They

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can put things in right up here, this criberform play

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area is almost impossibly difficult to operate on by a

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human surgeon. And sometimes if you try to do it,

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you kill a patient. So that's why only in a

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dire emergency is any surgical procedure attempted. And they're extremely risky,

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but they seem to be at eased with doing these things,

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you know. And some of the implants are in other

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parts of the body, but most of them are in

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the head, in the nose and the air carriages. So

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that Roger Lear was a podiatric surgeon who was engaged

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with this endeavor from nineteen ninety five twenty fourteen when

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he died, so almost twenty years nineteen years, and he

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operated on twenty patients during that time, and the twenty

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abductees claimed they had implants in their bodies, and one

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of these was ended up in the hands of neutron

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stun and nanotechnology in California. We've already discussed where the

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very complex analysis of this objects is detailed independixity, out

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of time, and it's got some extraordinary characteristics. And you know,

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one of the characteristics of these implants is that they

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contain a lot of iridium and gold and platinum, which

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iridium is maybe one hundred times rarer than gold, is

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an extremely rare substance. If you know anything about an

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Nascar mummies thing in Peru, they some of these human

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human or reptile mummies had had implants implanted devices in

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their glassic thoracic cavity. That's osteofused, which means the bones

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that the bones were still growing at the time the

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implant was put in, and they grew around the implants.

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the the organism was a living being that that's the

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only way you can get bones to grow around the

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implants and and then mesh it. These these were made

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of iridium. Where they where they they where they got

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it from? Nobody knows because none of no sources of

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the isn't this is known in South America. No sort

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of sources of aridium is known. But there they are,

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you know, they're in these creatures. They at Vacreucius. So

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these implants also contain this. It's metal iridium. And so

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Roger Lear because it is podiatric surgeon, he was only

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surgically licensed and qualified to operate on the legs and feasts,

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and he most of the implantsy we extracted from abduptcies

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were from the legs and feasts, because they appear in

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as as I said already, it seems like from you know,

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all the adupsies that have been that are aware of

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their situation, that the vast majority are in the head,

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in any ears and in those and so forth, and

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some of them in the middle of the brain, and

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some are in the spinal column. But there's a minority

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do show up in their feet and their legs and

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so forth. And Roger Lear was licensed to operate on those.

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which we found a pretty prosaic it was a piece

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of grass. But the other nineteen were in various degrees

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exotic and exhibited. As an example, they have shells of

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are woven of hemoside, are in protein, coagulum and keratin

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and kerosene, as you may know, is a substance. There's

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this primary constituents of human hair and nails. So there's

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no it's got no purpose being inside the body like that,

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you know, deep inside the body, and you know they're

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they're very complex. They've got carbon nanotubes at the cause

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and so forth. They emit radio waves and three different

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frequency bands and so forth that they that stop four

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to six weeks after their room from the body. So

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they'rey're very complicated devices. And then some of them are

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only as large as a grain of wheat.

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Speaker 2: Wow. And do you know what what radio frequencies they?

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What those frequencies are?

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the frequencies are are recording and out of time in

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm just curious on un skin on Skinwalker Ranch,

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you hear a lot about this one point six gigahertz thing,

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and I was curious if if that was that?

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: You you actually had an implant that was in your

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nose that kind of blew out or something.

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Speaker 3: Is that? Is that? Right? Yeah? I was. I had

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a heavy colders January a couple of years ago. In fact,

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I was writing out of Time actually, and it's very

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very very very close to the beginning of out of Time,

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and I just I won't get too graphic my head

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for mucus, and I just went and just just try

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and clear my chest, and within seconds I had this

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lump in my throat and I just went just one

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little cough and out came a blood clots, and in

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the middle of the blood clot was a thing like

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like a grain of wheate, out the side of a

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grain of wheat. And it was in the wash basin

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in the bathroom, and I was so determined to get

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rid of it because I didn't want my wife to

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think I was coughing up blood and she'd have this

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straight down the emergency room because that's not something I

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normally do. Because it was quite a big blood closs,

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I was so determined to get rid of it. I

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washed it down the basin with gallons and gallons of water.

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to main strainage, and so it's it would end up

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in a septic tank, but there's no way you retrieve

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something sure, you know that size. And so the next

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day my nostrils were bleeding. Well, actually there's the same evening,

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sting out and I just went to bed, and I

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discovered the next morning was blood all over the pillar.

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not too much, but continuously for twenty four hours, and

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I rolled a piece of tissue like like a kitchen

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roll and pushed it up each nostril in turn, and

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they're all bloody and they didn't stop bleeding for twenty

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four hours. So it just occurred to me suddenly this

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and bloody, sinking in washing it down the dream.

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Speaker 1: What do you think these implants are doing any as

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any of the analysis sort of you know, led to

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any kind of hypotheses about you know, are these like

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GPS trackers?

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Speaker 2: For lack of a better way of explaining it, well, it.

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Speaker 3: Used to be thought that they were probably location devices.

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of finding abducties wherever they are, and I don't we

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don't really think they are they are location devices. They

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think they're more sophisticated than that, and they seem to

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be able to assess some measure hormonal levels and mood

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changes and things like that, and then they send the

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information back to you know, whoever's upstairs looking at the dials,

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you know, if that's what they do. But they they're

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they're gathering physiological information from body or wins and systems

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Speaker 2: Want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: You've spoken about the grades and that I think that's

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the thing that most people.

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Speaker 2: Hear about the little gray beings.

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Speaker 1: I want you to walk us through the and I

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Speaker 3: Well BOC's reports have always reported two types of so

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called gravelients. You know that they're very skinny morphology. They

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have no visible sexual organs, it's all. They just go

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straight down. They have massively huge ukraniums, huge heads with

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very large foreheads on big almond shaped black eyes or

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sometimes they just to describes a very deep brown, but

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they're very dark eyes and there's you know, skin tone

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varies from them. The tan color basically like a really

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light brown, to the grays to dark grays through light

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gray and then very very occasionally they're reported as white

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being white like a hotel and bedsheet, not not like

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you know, like a piece of paper, not white like

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European you know, Caucasian type skin which isn't white at all,

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but that these creatures are sometimes described as white skinned.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: These come in two sizes. They come into the small size,

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the small grays, which are about two foot six or

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three feet tall. They're very skinny, very light, and these

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creatures are always reported by adulties, or have been till

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recently because of the phenomenons changed somewhat in recent years,

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but they're still part of it. There's they're described as

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being working in threes. He always work in threes. When

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you come to collect abductees, they always say that they

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the three of them come and then pick you up,

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and three of them come and pick you back to

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take you back, and you know, they escort the abductsy

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if if the abductees sleep, they get her or him

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awake and they get them to stand up, and they

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usually get them to walk into a different room where

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there's a big window in the house if there is,

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if there is in the house, and they take them

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through the window. But they can take people through floors

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and apartment blocks and really thick walls. It seems that

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might take a lot more energy than getting themselves and

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humans through a pane of glass. So they when they

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have the opportunity, they always take you into a room

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with a glass window and take through there because you know,

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it's obviously they find that easier. And they everything that levitates,

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everything is doesn't have seem to have any gravice. You

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seem to have no influence on you, and you feel

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yourself being pulled up. All adductees say this, and you

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know that they sometimes see the objects above them as

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they move towards us, and you know, they describe in

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various kinds of detail, you know, what happens during the

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abduction events. But when the time comes to go home,

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so to speak, the same three little grace you know,

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take adulties back. So that's their primary job, and they

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take them by the hand and they walk them around

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from one procedure to another. Fa thing. There's all sorts

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of complex procedures in abduction events, you know, like one

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of the things they occasionally do is immerse an abducty

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in a tank of liquid, and the abductees scared to

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death that you'll drown or shield round. But they've discovered

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they can breathe this liquid in a in a tank

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by a great, great big round tank, and you're definitely

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floating in a liquid. But they find that they can

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breathe this liquid amazingly and not suffocate. So you know

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they have they all these procedures and they go from

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take you from place to place. Inside they'd take they

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place a scanning device on your chest sometimes and for

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that they need you to to go upright rather than

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line line your back, so they sometimes use restraining straps

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around your ankles and around your forearms to stop you

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falling over when they scan you with this device. And

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you know, so as they take you from place to place,

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a little gray will advants say they're always led by

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the little grays around from one place similar during the

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abduction events. And you know they now they are the

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large the tall grays are about twice the size of us.

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More ones where they have the same morphology, very very

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skinny bodies and very very big heads and the arm

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shaped eyes, and they tend to do are sometimes abductees

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used to refer to them as the doctor or the

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one in charge right, and they do all the complex surgery.

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They oosight harvesting from female aduptees, sperm collection from male aduptees,

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procedures on the on the on the head and the nose,

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and so forth, needle incisions and so forth, anything surgical

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and manipulative if they do those. And they also do

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the mind scan procedures, which is where the one of

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the tool grays will come right up to the abductee

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who is lying on the table, and the tool alien

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will put his eye right up to the abductee, and

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they twist their head around like that until they sometimes

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they move around the foot of the table or the

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head of the table rather to get a position, and

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they try the other their other eye against yours, and

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suddenly adults hees say they feel this sensation racing through them.

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They have thousands of fours racing through their minds, memories

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and so forth, and they have feelings of elation, feelings

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of sexual arousal, feelings of anger, feelings of fear, and

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all sorts of really strong emotions. All happen one after another,

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and that's when the alien the abducta is locking into

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the optic nerve. One of the things they seem to

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be able to do is travel down the optic nerve

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into the brain somehow. Don't ask me how they do this,

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but they do it. They can do it, and they

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manipulate the brain the memory so that you don't remember

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anything that's happened during the abduction events, but it's stored

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in the long term memory of the abductee so that

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you can you can train your long term memory. As

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an example, if you're I won't out ask how old

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you are, but you say you're fifty or something. If

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you try to remember an incident that happened when you're

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five years old, not a notable event, a date like

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your birthday or Christmas Day, but any random date from

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the calendar, you won't remember it because none of us do.

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But if you it's all in your memory somewhere. It's

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all stored in there. And if you train yourself to

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try and think what day of the week it was,

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what you were doing, what the weather was like, what

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who you were with, what were you were wearing? What

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we close the clothes or like you we're wearing at

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five years old? Who? And always things that like you.

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If you really cause your memory, you're asking memory to Europe,

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it's information about this particular date, and keep asking and

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keep passing and keep as it every day. Do you

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know ten minutes sides and after about six weeks you

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remember it. Do you remember the whole day from what

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you were doing on that date and who you're with

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and what it was like and what you're feeling. You

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will remember everything. It takes a lot of work. The

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thing about regressive hypnosis, one of the reasons why is

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marred the controversial is because of the mind field, where

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it's very easy to lead the subjects into thinking something happened,

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it didn't happen, whatever the practitioner wants the you know,

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the patients to think. But if it's the only way

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you can recover your long term, deep buried memories, if

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that's where they put the abduction events that happened to

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you last week, you won't find it any other way

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because it's buried down there in your memory of when

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you are five years old. And unless you remember the event,

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link link the events to that particular day, you won't.

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You know, you won't retrieve this, you won't be will

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be forever buried. And it is buried. It's not lost, right,

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it's buried. Yeah, So that the tour grades to that

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those kind of procedures are very sophisticated neurological abilities, and

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they're also to return to the different types of abductors.

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There are reptilian like creatures which are described in various

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ways far by various people. And there's do you remember

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the episode I recounted out of time and chapter nine

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about Farah? Do your Doosa his great grandfather, Yes you do, Yes,

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he was.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 3: A teacher at istan Bull University in the eighteen nineties

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and in his early twenties. I think he might have

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just been twenty years old that he was. His young

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wife had gone off to visit her family for a

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few days, and he was alone in the house on

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his own, and he was visited by two huge rectory

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in nasties like seven feet tall and very awfully bills.

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And he used to just, apparently Eman Refik describe these.

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He's long dead now, but he used to describe these

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to the family as I'm unmistakable and terrifying. And they

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talked to him in his mind telepathectally, and they wanted

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him to consent to something or take part in something,

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and they wouldn't let him go until he agreed to this,

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and they controlled him physically within minds, so that he

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was paralyzed and was unable to move for you for

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several hours. And at the end of this procedure, these

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reptilians went up to him and said, from you to

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three generations, and they left. And this is interesting because

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eman Refiic was living. She was he was born about

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the same time as my great grandmother, who was born

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in eighteen seventy three, so she would have been seventeen

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years old in eighteen ninety and or eighteen ninety three

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she would have been twenty, so she was She's of

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the same generation as eman refit was, and you know that.

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And doctors said to me when I was eleven years old,

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it's because of your mother and your grandmother and your

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great grandmother, So you know. They the fact that these

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beings visited to Demion Rephic allegedly in eighteen ninety and

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told him from you to general three generations tied in

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with what was total eleven years old. Really that that's

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that's when the program was started or accelerated. And it's

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interesting that they weren't great aliens, they were allegedly in reptilians.

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And I have a theory about them and what part

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they play in the program, which you know I expand

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I expanded them in the book, which may or may

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not be correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the these reptilian beings and maybe a previous

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race of beings from somewhere that were subject to this program,

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maybe at an earlier stage, and it was so successful

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with them. That's they have been co opted in the

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early times of of this program, in the early years

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of this program to do the work that was later

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done by the grays and the grid that's.

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Speaker 2: And the grays you believe them to be kind of

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like like worker bees, genetically engineered or something, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they do. I used to think that

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the small grays were all all males, if they have

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a gender at all, because you know, they're no they're

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no visible sexual organs, but they're that, you know, one

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of the one of when one of the tall ones

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talk to you as an example, because they they there

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that you can tell whether it's a male one or

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a female one, which it sounds really improbable when you

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describe their physical characteristics because they have no hair, they're

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no bodily hair, they have no sexual organs, they have

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no secondary sexual characterist it's like breasts or you know,

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the males don't have beards or anything. You can you

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can't tell them physically a part. But when one of

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them talks to you, you know it's a male or

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a female. You just know. And you can't explain all

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adultcies say this to me. You know, you can't explain

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why you know, but you just know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. And there's a fourth one as well, right,

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fourth fourth being.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are these are the mentids you're talking about.

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When abductees say one of those's presence, there's only ever

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one in the room or in the vicinity. Only one.

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There's never come in little groups of three or anything.

477
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:46,119
And this one has an extremely powerful mental engagements with

478
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,000
the humans with the adut teos, and he or she

479
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,039
is completely overpowering in terms of you. When one of

480
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:01,359
them is engaging with you mentally, even from me away you,

481
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:06,640
that's all that you can deal with because it's so overpowering.

482
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,319
And some abdulties not not true my case, but some

483
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:18,400
abdidancies report that's theselnted beings down upload them is it?

484
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Upload he uploads and you download it a ton of

485
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,559
information into abduptsies brains about complex astrophysics or cosmology or

486
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:36,039
something or you know, all this really really sophisticated scientific stuff.

487
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,359
They dump it all all at once, and the adultee

488
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
goes around in a daze for three or four days afterwards,

489
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,799
trying to sort it out. And that's all they can

490
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,279
deal with. That's all they're going to think about, because

491
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:48,759
it's still there, trying to sort it out and make

492
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,319
sense of it and understand it. So they have they

493
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:57,400
have these these in fast, fantastically powerful neural engagement. They're

494
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,000
about seven feet tall and they're taller than any of

495
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,599
the other beings, and they're very very skinny, very skinny

496
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,240
like the gray aliens, but that their heads are light

497
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,519
like preying mantisters. Almost all addipties say, it looks like

498
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
a big praying mantis and it has this, you know,

499
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480
the way of pray mantis puts its arms like that.

500
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,599
You know, this is where it gets its name from

501
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,920
the insect. And they do that and they they walk

502
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,160
will afford the stoops. Usually most adpties describe this not all.

503
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,680
But and when they engage with you mentally and they

504
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,480
look into your eye and they do this mind scan thing,

505
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,440
they are the most powerful of the of the abducts

506
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,160
group of aductors. And you know, I think speculates here.

507
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,839
I'm not the first researchers to speculators about this. It

508
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,440
seems to me they might be the instigations of the program. Okay, okay,

509
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,319
these creatures and why they look like you know, yeah,

510
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
we don't imagine, can't imagine. I mean, that's a completely

511
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,800
genetically intriguing, you know, idea that that's what they look like,

512
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,239
that's what people they look like. And then everybody says

513
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,760
the same thing.

514
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: And you touched on very early in our interview about

515
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,599
some of the medical procedures that would be done to abductees,

516
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,480
and you know, we know that one of the features

517
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:36,280
are procedures that seem to deal with human reproduction. And

518
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,039
you know, I've heard many times about this kind of

519
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,960
concept of hybridization or or or you know, they're trying

520
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,920
to create sort of a hybrid species. Walk us through

521
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,719
that whole thing and what what you think is was

522
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,159
happening versus what you think is currently happening with this

523
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,800
kind of hybrid hybridization or whatever you want to call it.

524
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, people have talked about hybrids for thirty or forty

525
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,199
years now and these are Originally they they looked like

526
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:14,159
a cross between gray aliens and their advertees, which they

527
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,400
had they alien features. So they're often had big black

528
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:23,119
eyes and scrawny hair, and very skinny morphology and skinny

529
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:30,119
arms and so forth and so and that. Then you

530
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,840
know that they were more human like and more human

531
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:38,920
like but and dressed look. And I have a chapter

532
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:43,679
on hybridization and transgenesis in our new book, Investigating the Impossible,

533
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,880
during which we investigate hybridization through the lens of cellular

534
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,559
biology and genetics, which is and it's quite a sciencey areas,

535
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,400
quite a heavy, heavy science chapter. But you know, Andreas

536
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,800
has produced a lot of graphic illustrations describing the cellular

537
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,679
and biological processes involved. And basically, you know, long short

538
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,440
of this is that hybridization of different species and different

539
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,239
biospheres is so incredibly difficult it's probably well nigh impossible

540
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,719
to achieve successfully. And if they did pull it off,

541
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:28,880
then the resulting creatures would probably not live more than

542
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,239
a few years before there was multiple organ failures and

543
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:40,039
would need to so you know, it's they do continue

544
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,239
to take sperm and eggs and over from adults ease

545
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,159
even now from the Better. In Barney Ill case in

546
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:57,079
nineteen sixty one, Bessie described an incision made around about

547
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:04,840
our ovaries and the abductor said he was giving her

548
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,840
a pregnancy test.

549
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh I remember that.

550
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's almost certainly not what this was. The presidu,

551
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,840
this was what this procedure was, was almost certainly ooside

552
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,639
harvesting from one of the ovaries right through the needle.

553
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,280
Barney Hill had a sperm sample taken during that abduction.

554
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,599
Barney was not an abduct tee in the Ancestral program.

555
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,679
He was just taken opportunistically. But because his wife was

556
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,519
taking that very occasionally happens, and because they were you know,

557
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:43,119
members of was it the Pennecostal Church or something, and

558
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,400
very very devoted, voted turned church goers, and this was

559
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:54,480
nineteen sixties, he insisted that John Fuller remove that pass

560
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,920
of the narrative from his book. Yeah. Wow, I didn't

561
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:06,039
know the And it was only thirty years after Barney

562
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,519
had died that Better You revealed this to the world.

563
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,400
She said that in John Fuller was asked to remove

564
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:21,719
the sperm taking procedure from the Interrupted Journey publication. Nobody

565
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,679
knew that the hills were had who sits and sperm

566
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,519
taken that you know this this this is a regular

567
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,679
thing with adultsies. I mean some male ablities tell me

568
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,480
they're taken and they they they're told during the abduction,

569
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,199
we just want some seed from you and you can

570
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,639
go back this time. That's all we're going to do,

571
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,840
and they take it. Wow. You know that there are

572
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,960
all sorts of procedures they have for getting sperm ou

573
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:53,920
male abiluptsies including well adiluties that had surgical viseectors. They

574
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,039
they have this way of in certain needle into the

575
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:03,760
testes just the area just behind the scrotum and taking

576
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,679
it directly from the testes without any seminal food or

577
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,320
seminal plasma. And you know, so they know what they're

578
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,679
doing where human's physiology is concerned. They really understand what

579
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,320
they're doing in ways that most of us don't understand

580
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,400
our body's work. But they are really under this stuff,

581
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:22,639
you know.

582
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: And and so the hybridization part we talk about that.

583
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if if hybridization is is so difficult, has to

584
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,960
be make it impossible to make creatures survive for long

585
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,760
or certainly survive into a second generation or it's certainly

586
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,480
not to survive for more than a year. Why how

587
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,960
do you explain these hubridge that allegedly have been.

588
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: Have been.

589
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: Talked to really really created to live in human society

590
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,800
and integrate themselves in our society. And what we've come

591
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:16,880
up with is not hybridization but transgenesis. That's that. What

592
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,840
they do is they take sperm from a male abidacy

593
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:24,239
ousts from a female abiatcy unites them and make a

594
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,519
fertilization and make a zygote. At the very early stage

595
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:35,199
in the zygotes, usually after a few cell divisions, it's

596
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,480
feasible for them to introduce a few genes that are

597
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:44,920
not normally put in humans. We don't know whether these

598
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960
are synthetic, or whether they're alien genes, or or what

599
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,440
they are, but it's conceivable to do that, and it's

600
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,320
conceivable to to therefore make these creatures completely telepathic and

601
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,440
make them able to control humans with their minds, and

602
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,119
give them a lot of other abilities. And they look

603
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,039
and behave exactly like we do, exactly like humans look

604
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,360
exactly like we do, and they age at the same

605
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,599
race as we do, and so forth, And if they're

606
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:21,239
transgendic beings. They're not technically hybridized. What a hybrid is,

607
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,920
as an example, is a mule, which is fifty percent

608
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:30,800
horse and fifty percent donkey. And when you get a mule,

609
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:36,199
a donkey and a horse mating and the resulting offspring

610
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,280
is a mule, it's really obvious that it's half and half.

611
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,320
It really looks like half a horse and half a mule.

612
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,960
These hybrids, these transgenic beings, don't look like that. They

613
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,719
look like humans. They look like humans. And so we're

614
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,199
speculating in our book and investigating the impossible that this

615
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,840
is how it's done. This is how it's done by

616
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,599
introducing some genes into the zygot to an early stage

617
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,960
and you know the the the zygotes can then become

618
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
an embryo and it can be just stated in a

619
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,320
tank of fluid and it can be placed in the

620
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,639
human female for the period of the first trimester, which

621
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,800
we think is still done to thousands of women a

622
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,480
year across the world, maybe even millions, because they're they're

623
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:32,119
the the the the woman reports that she's pregnant and

624
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,480
she has a positive pregnancy tests, you know from the

625
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:45,480
pharmacy and the eurogynology gynecologists says, yes, you're definitely pregnant,

626
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,159
and this is the first trimester. You know, they can

627
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,800
establish what dates it was probably conceived. And then after

628
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,639
about the first trimester, about ten weeks, it's gone. The

629
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,159
woman wakes up in the morning and it's gone. There's

630
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:05,320
no blood, there's no abortion. You know that there's nothing

631
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,039
there to show for it. There's not a dash of

632
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,559
hormone levels with and it's just disappeared. It's literally disappeared overnight.

633
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,880
And this is where that they the abduct is abducts

634
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,239
the woman again, the adult heer again, and then remove

635
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,599
it and put it back in the morning, and she

636
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,320
never knows. And that before the bump even shows publicly.

637
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:38,199
Why they value placing the embryo in a human female

638
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,599
for the first trimester and then removing it. We really

639
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,559
don't know. I've got some ideas about it, and Undress

640
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:48,599
has got two different ideas about it. But you if

641
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,880
you read Investigating the Impossible, you can get the fourth

642
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,239
story about what might might be really going on here

643
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:56,679
and why?

644
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, and you not in the book that that

645
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:09,239
these hubrids are are breeding directly with unwilling, unwitting human partners. Uh,

646
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,880
how would I know if if I mean, I'm married,

647
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960
but uh, you know, how would one know if you're

648
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,440
if you're mating with a a hubrid.

649
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,039
Speaker 3: I I can't answer, where where is that is that

650
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:23,679
amount of time?

651
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: Which, yeah, I don't have the chapter noted. I think

652
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,400
it was. Uh yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't even know.

653
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm probably reporting what advertsies are saying. Some

654
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,519
advertsies are saying reporting. I have no personal experience about myself,

655
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,920
so I really I can only report what people say.

656
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:49,599
And maybe they're misnided, maybe they're mistaken, maybe they're onto something.

657
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:56,880
It seems like if the aliens are or the abducts is,

658
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,079
whoever they are, whether they're you know, they're from a

659
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,760
different universe, whether they're from a different dimension, or whatever

660
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:13,199
they are. It seems that they're making humans one hundred

661
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,480
percent look like humans and behave like humans, and can

662
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:19,119
speak with their mouths or learn to speak with their mouths,

663
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:24,480
learn to speak vocally, and integrating them slowly into human society.

664
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,239
That some of them are successful and some of them

665
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,199
aren't so successful. Apparently that one of the things they're

666
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,400
going to do is breed with humans in the end,

667
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,079
maybe they're not going to battle. You know, we don't

668
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,840
really know what the plan is or whether whether the

669
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,880
abductors have a plan worked out. They might have an

670
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,639
idea about what their own ultimate objectives are, but that

671
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,760
they might not understand what every every stage of the

672
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,239
process is going to involve, and the you know, the

673
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,320
the program might have evolved and changed according to what

674
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,039
they find they're having to deal with. But their objective

675
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,760
is to get into the human world and somehow take

676
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,400
some sort of control, guid guide in control over it.

677
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,480
It's pretty obvious that that's what they're doing. You know,

678
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:12,840
when you.

679
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,559
Speaker 1: Do you think that the do you think that they're

680
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,320
sorry to interrupt again? Do you think the world governments

681
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,679
are aware of exactly what is going on?

682
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Do you do you have any

683
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,280
ideas about it? You're closest to some of these people

684
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,639
in the I am.

685
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,559
Speaker 1: I I personally think they are are fully aware, and

686
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,639
I I would say that that is one of the

687
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,519
primary reasons for the secrecy, is the abduction phenomenon in

688
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,639
and others as well.

689
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with that, and I think you noted.

690
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,159
Speaker 1: As well that that you think you've been surveilled Am

691
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,239
I correct in that or am I misremembering that you've

692
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,079
been surveilled by like you've been surveilled by government or

693
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,800
contractors or anything. I thought I remember that in the book,

694
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,599
but I don't know.

695
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 3: When Robert Haysings came to stay with us in England

696
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,119
about ten years ago. I can't remember exactly what else, Ik,

697
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,280
it's maybe twelve years ago. No, it's twenty fourteen, because

698
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,320
we went to Normandy on that trip and then we

699
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:28,760
have what was probably a dual abduction in the place

700
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,559
we stayed in in Normandy that's also involved a close

701
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,519
up for citing a a UFO in it. An extremely

702
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,840
disturbed night that Robert and I had. My wife always

703
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,000
was slept right through and she she wouldn't even go

704
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,280
nearest in the morning. She said, you know, we felt

705
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:51,199
like something had happened overnight. We came back to England

706
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,440
and Roberts had agreed to meet with an a list

707
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,320
journalist that was working for London Times. I'm the leader

708
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,599
writer r London Times, and he met with us on

709
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,960
a Monday evening, which is the quietest evening of the

710
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,880
week for bars and restaurants. He met with us in

711
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,639
a venue in Richmond On Terms which is an enclave

712
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,000
in the southwest London near where this where this journalist

713
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:24,760
actually lives with this family. And we sat down at

714
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,079
the table and we started our meeting. There was myself

715
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,119
as my wife, there was Robert, and there was this

716
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,400
guy who I called in the book. I called him Nathan.

717
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,280
I don't reveal his real name. He knows who he is.

718
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:47,280
But so as we were talking a guy, the bar

719
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,920
was almost empty like that. We had twenty odd tables

720
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,400
and they were quite large tables, like dining tables. He

721
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,960
was almost empty, and the guy came in sat right

722
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,639
next to us at the next table, and then he

723
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,840
ostina put on a pair of headphones and got got

724
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,480
a box with his bag and put it on a

725
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,679
table and stared at us like that.

726
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Wow.

727
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:17,639
Speaker 3: And after about half an hour we started looking at him.

728
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,480
I started looking at him, and then Roberts started looking

729
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:25,880
at him. And the journalist didn't notice any of this,

730
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,400
or appeared not to. And the guy started to get

731
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,360
visibly uncomfortable, and he got up and packed his gear

732
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,880
away and left, and immediately he was replaced by another one.

733
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,679
Speaker 2: Oh wow, same same same seat and everything.

734
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: Okay, same seat, same equipment, different guy right right, And

735
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:51,920
so we finished our meeting and we got a couple

736
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,079
of other people came into the bar during that time

737
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,519
sat down. But I mean it, the bar had a

738
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,679
capacity for two hundred people sitting down, and there was

739
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,400
like five of us in the old place, you know,

740
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
So there's another couple of people came in because you know,

741
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,239
it was it was Monday evening and it's a very

742
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,960
quite nice week for you know, going out and enjoying yourself.

743
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,400
It's the quietest night in the entertainment world usually. So

744
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,480
as we left, we said O goodbye is and we

745
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,119
started walking back to our cars because we we you know,

746
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,159
we came in my car, and the journalists came in

747
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,519
his car, and they were parking in different streets just nearby.

748
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:39,000
And as we were walking, this guy, the first guy

749
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,000
who sat down next to us and then disappeared for

750
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:47,400
a couple of hours, walked up behind us. I trod

751
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,039
on the back of Robert's foot and made his shoe

752
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,239
come off. Wow street. He didn't apologize, he didn't say anything.

753
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440
He just did that and then he walked off.

754
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: Amazing.

755
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,679
Speaker 3: You can ask Roberts for his version of his story,

756
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,320
which is pretty much identical to mine.

757
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:11,679
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure wow, yeah, he when I was out visiting,

758
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:12,360
but he.

759
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,559
Speaker 3: Was listening to us and wanted to wanted it to

760
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,119
be known that we were being observed and listened to

761
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,159
and wanted to wanted it to be known that our

762
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,599
phone calls have been intercepted. Yeah, and knew about the meeting. Yeah,

763
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,440
there was obvious that they wanted us to know that. Yeah,

764
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,599
that we that we were, we were, what we were

765
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:38,679
up to was known about.

766
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

767
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: I have had that same experience in a in a

768
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,840
different way, but with this Daily Mail article that we published.

769
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,760
H okay in towards the end here and I again

770
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,480
I didn't write down the chapter number, oh as yeah,

771
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,360
I did in chapter three. You have a thirty five

772
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,639
item checklist titled titled finding out that You're one of

773
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,199
the Chosen Ones. Uh. And I'm sure some of the

774
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,719
viewers tonight or when they order your book, that's probably

775
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,400
going to be one of the first chapters they jump

776
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,960
to to find out whether he, you know, am I

777
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:15,000
one of the Chosen Ones?

778
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: Walk us through some of those.

779
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,079
Speaker 3: I don't have a book in front of me, but

780
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,800
I well, oh yes I do. Actue sore because my

781
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:28,199
memory is not. One of the things is people have

782
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,360
experienced a period of missing time, yes, somehow in their

783
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,239
lives when they don't they can't remember whether they were

784
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:37,960
what they were doing.

785
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, chapter three is what I have.

786
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got yeah, yeah, mm hmm. They often have

787
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:56,039
a compulsive fascination with Oh. Sorry, that's that's that's the last.

788
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,559
I'll start at the beginning because I'm not sure we'll

789
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,000
go through all thirty five, and that's the time for this.

790
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:10,639
A many people report fear or unease when they travel

791
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,320
down a particular stretch of road for no obvious reason,

792
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,599
save for a vague impression that something strange and disturbing

793
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,159
had happened to them there in the past. For some,

794
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,800
misphobia is so severe that will that they will often

795
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,000
take a detail of several miles. I've got all this

796
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:32,599
stuff from talking to abductees, you, first world advertees and

797
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,159
e sail over the years. A compulsion to fulfill of

798
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,199
secret mission in life, but don't know exactly what it is,

799
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,639
a deep feeling of having a calling but one day

800
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,559
will be revealed, or a feeling that they are somehow special.

801
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

802
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: As an extensions point, three. Some have a deep feeling

803
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,639
that one day a great cataclysm or change will happen

804
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,559
in which they will be required to act or assist,

805
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,199
and when that day arise, they will know what to do.

806
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: I've heard that. Yeah.

807
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:10,519
Speaker 3: Many become many developed psychic abilities or an interest in them,

808
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:16,639
and feel ashamed or embarrassed omitting this. Many become attractors

809
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:21,440
of religions and mysticism, spiritualism, or the occult, and sometimes

810
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,280
investigate these areas of belief to the degree that they

811
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,239
join a local congregation, temple, or group. Oh, after a time,

812
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,840
After a time, they leave and move on because they

813
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,280
find no answers to the core of what is troubling them.

814
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.

815
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,119
Speaker 3: An attraction to or even commitment to environmentalism is common,

816
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:48,079
and some become politically active, and many become vegetarian.

817
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard that one as well.

818
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. Many admit to having powerful, recurrent dreams of planetary

819
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:02,360
thermonuclear war or a large scale disc struction from environmental disasters,

820
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,559
so they put this stuff in your mind.

821
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,119
Speaker 2: Sure.

822
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 3: During abductions, many report recurrent dreams of flying through the

823
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,440
air or levitating, emphasizing that these dreams are accompanied by

824
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,119
physiological sensations similar to those experiences in the pit of

825
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:27,199
the stomach. While ascending in a fast elevator, they find,

826
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,239
or more often usually their partners or family members, to

827
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,840
discover unusual marks on their bodies, such as scars, scoop marks,

828
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,840
laser like straight line cuts on limbs or back, and

829
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,599
are unable to explain how or when they had occurred.

830
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:48,760
They sometimes wake up with bruises, sometimes quite large and painful,

831
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,119
or fresh burn marks, especially around risks, upper arms, or ankles,

832
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,880
none of which they can explain. Advertees have been known

833
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,119
to wake up from deep sleep with actual usually like fingers,

834
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:06,000
finger bones, or toes.

835
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: Amazing.

836
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: Some wake with leaves, twigs, or soil in the bed,

837
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,760
as if they have been outside during the night and

838
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,360
brought these back into bed with them.

839
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: Interesting.

840
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 3: Okay, do you want me to go on?

841
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,519
Speaker 1: Maybe just a few more of a few of a

842
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,800
few more of the really interesting ones. But this is yeah,

843
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:28,039
they were pretty crazy.

844
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,039
Speaker 3: They awake with their night clothes on backwards or inside out,

845
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:37,320
or else folded on a nearby chair or occasionally an ie.

846
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Some of jewelry or clothing will be missing and never

847
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,800
subsequently be found. Some have woken up finding straight wearing

848
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,719
strange clothes that do not belong to them. I've had

849
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,119
this about three or four times, not not one month personally,

850
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,559
but I've had that. This reported being simply three or

851
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,119
four times. People woke up, wake up, they didn't buy

852
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,840
these clothes, they weren't they've never worn them, and they

853
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,119
wake up wearing them and they don't know where they

854
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,039
came from. Wow. I mean, it's it's quite difficult to

855
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,159
go through it. You see, when you have all these

856
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,880
kind of experiences, you you have no idea what is

857
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,000
going on, You have no idea why why do you do?

858
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,679
You end up living this really weird life that nobody

859
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,559
can make sense of. Then you discover the alien alien

860
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:29,199
abduction phenomenon and the alien abduction thing and all the

861
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,960
things that to do with it. Immediately everything makes sense.

862
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:42,360
All this stuff comes together immediately. It is not uncommon,

863
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,760
but for those experiences in a missing time episode, a

864
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,519
while awake and then going about that Dailey about their

865
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,239
daily business to discover later that items of jewelry are

866
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,599
missing or wrongly fastened. For an exam example, one adupt

867
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,920
To discovered upon arriving home two hours long that her

868
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,480
ear rings were fitted with a posts and class reversed

869
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,360
another that his shirt buttons were misaligned and his wristwatch

870
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,559
strap was done up the wrong way round, so that

871
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,159
the watch face appeared upside down as he looked at it.

872
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:18,199
See how does the normal person make sense of that?

873
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:19,719
And they got dressed in the morning.

874
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

875
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:29,119
Speaker 3: A significant minority found themselves on at least one occasion,

876
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,800
locked out of their homes in the middle of the night,

877
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,480
wearing their night clothes, in some cases obliging them to

878
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:40,000
resort to forced entry into their own home. One adult

879
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,960
tea I know found himself in the garden and locked

880
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,639
out of the family home in the middle of the

881
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,719
night on two separate occasions when he was a child.

882
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:56,639
Speaker 1: Wow, and it goes on, Yeah, well clearly, yeah, clearly,

883
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,519
the tall Grays have not done a perfect the job

884
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,920
of genetically engineering the little grays. If they're making those

885
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:09,920
kinds of rudimentary mistakes, I think, yeah, I think I

886
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,199
think they're in need of an upgrade. Now, your bookends

887
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,239
with five words, and it says we may be out

888
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:23,159
of time. So this disclosure movement in Washington has you

889
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,039
know spent up what about you know?

890
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,719
Speaker 2: Two years now?

891
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: You know, arguing about you know, a different word by logics,

892
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,519
all that sort of thing. But they mean it in

893
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,840
the way that David Grush testified about it in twenty

894
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,239
twenty three, that they are dead recovered tissue from crash

895
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,400
or trivial sites.

896
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 2: And you use the.

897
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:51,239
Speaker 1: Same word to mean, you know, abductee scoop biopsies and implants.

898
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: Are you frustrated at.

899
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,159
Speaker 1: All that the disclosure movement or whatever has co opted

900
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,519
the term to mean something letely different than what you know,

901
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:07,000
than what you actually document in this book, Well, I.

902
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: Think, you know, if what my research for that past

903
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,760
fifteen years as borne out as that, you know, all

904
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,199
this stuff is real, and there too many people report

905
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,199
these things for it not to be real. And the evidence,

906
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,400
the physical, forensic scientific evidence is so strong if you

907
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,800
get things laboratory and analyzes, you know, which which I

908
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,559
have done on a number of occasions, which we you know,

909
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:34,440
we did we discussed earlier with the implants and the

910
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:39,920
hairs and so forth. So if it's real, it's going

911
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,719
to come out in the end, right it has to.

912
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,280
You know, you can't you can't hide something if it's

913
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:52,480
if it's continuing, what's changed about the phenomenon, just to

914
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:56,440
just to probably end on on this is the these

915
01:00:56,519 --> 01:01:03,039
transgending beings who look exactly like humans but basically serving

916
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:05,599
the alien agenda because that you know, they're part of

917
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:12,960
the program. They are now have now replaced the gray

918
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:19,880
aliens in some abduction events completely. So aductees are taken

919
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:23,599
and dealt with only by these transgending beings who look

920
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:27,280
exactly like humans, and there's no gray aliens involved. And

921
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,639
I have to say that they that's not my experience,

922
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,280
but a number of abductees tell me that that is

923
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,960
what they what they're what they're going through. I had

924
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,840
a German adulteed contacts in me in London about fifteen

925
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,840
years ago, quite early on in this way, before I

926
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:50,159
wrote the book. She was she'd see me contributing to

927
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,960
a chat for him on the alien abduction subjects in

928
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,920
the early days and my interest in it, and she

929
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,360
reached out to me and we met up in London

930
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:04,119
and she was working in the finance industry and she said,

931
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,119
almost all her experiences are with what she turned the

932
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,440
human looking ones. You don't, she said, nobody talks about

933
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:18,760
the human looking ones. What about the human looking ones? Right?

934
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,119
So she actually she actually knew that they were the abducts,

935
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,840
this one and the same, but they just looked like us.

936
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm curious.

937
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,559
Speaker 1: So you've had David Grush testify in front of Congress

938
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:36,440
whistleblower David Grush, You've had others, and then you also

939
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:41,360
had this Schumor Rounds amendment called the UAP Disclosure Act

940
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,719
that was you know, completely tossed out. Now, of course

941
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,880
you have President Trump whose administration has released two batches

942
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,119
videos and PDFs and whatnot. You know, from where you're

943
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,440
sitting in Lincolnshire, is disclosure happening or do you think

944
01:02:58,559 --> 01:02:59,320
it is stalled?

945
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: Well? To be honest, none, none of my neighbors in

946
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:08,480
this village I care about it or how many concerns

947
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,480
that they don't watch that? I mean, it doesn't have

948
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:15,480
that much cover on the the UK media, you know,

949
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,840
like the you know, the newspapers aren't what they were

950
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,440
in terms of circulation numbers. Network television isn't watched by

951
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,559
as many people as it was, so you know, you

952
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,000
in the in there is infinitely fragmented, and people who

953
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,559
are interested in everything that's happening with disclosion files being

954
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,840
released go to the websites where they can find out

955
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,400
about that, and you know, listen to the talking heads

956
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,199
on the subject, and people who are not interested in

957
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,119
it can completely avoid it, you know, make themselves unaware

958
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,079
of it because they're not interested. So it's very difficult

959
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,440
to say, you know, whether disclosure is happening. And I

960
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,679
don't think what's been released so far from what I've seen,

961
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:04,079
is that difference to what's appeared in books about UFOs

962
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,880
for the past sixty years. I think, you know, the

963
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:12,679
objects being tracked by radar, flying around mility jets and

964
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,559
so forth, and diving in and out the ocean, these

965
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,960
have been reported in books about the subject for many

966
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:28,159
decades now. I've yet to see anything really astounding. Maybe

967
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,679
I've just missed it, because you know, there's a lot.

968
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever missed the thing?

969
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean there in the second batch, there were a

970
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,880
few things that were definitely did not look did not

971
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,320
look prosaic. But as I was speaking with a whistle

972
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,559
blower recently, this whistleblower was aware of two videos that

973
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,119
this person said would completely settle the triangle debate. There

974
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:55,119
would be no if sands or but if sands or

975
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,920
butts about it. So Steve, if if.

976
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:02,559
Speaker 2: I were too based the legal u A P so So, Steve,

977
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:03,280
if I were to.

978
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,679
Speaker 1: Make a call with one of my with one of

979
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:12,800
my contacts in Washington, and this person had the authority

980
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:18,559
to declassify everything, and I flew you into town and said, Okay, Steve,

981
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,199
you have three minutes sitting across from this person.

982
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: What would you tell them?

983
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,199
Speaker 3: I have to rid and think about it. The alien

984
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:36,239
abduction subjects is received less exposure than it deserves. It's

985
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,480
happening to millions of people, and it's a real thing,

986
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:45,559
and it's the most important thing about the UAP presence

987
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,960
because it's the thing that intrudes the intrudes in our

988
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:55,360
lives and human society at the deepest level. I know

989
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,800
it's scary, you know, but it's happening. Yeah, what do

990
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,320
you what are you going to do about? See? I

991
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:08,559
acknowledge that if they if the UAP phenomenon is acknowledged

992
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,880
officially in the United States, they will probably be replicated

993
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,800
by governments around the world. But you know, we're back

994
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,159
to the in curious thing. A lot of people are

995
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:27,960
definitively incurious about this, and some people will say, yeah,

996
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,760
I always knew that that was, so they always knew

997
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,320
they were hiding aliens. I always knew that those flying

998
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,280
sources were real, which is the title one of Donald

999
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,039
key House books in the nineteen fifties, flying sources are

1000
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:45,360
real right way way back, you know, almost one hundred

1001
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,519
years ago. So if they if you acknowledge that that

1002
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:57,639
all these astounding tales of vessels diving into water and

1003
01:06:58,159 --> 01:06:59,840
coming out of the water, coming out of the ocean

1004
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,000
and traveling at hundreds of miles an hour apparently underwater,

1005
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,800
past nuclear submarines and so forth, which you know, reports

1006
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,360
that those are very credible. If all this stuffers that

1007
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:19,840
knowledge to be happening, then the next question millions of

1008
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,559
people are going to ask you, is okay, what about abductions? Then?

1009
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:24,400
Are they real or not?

1010
01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's it's the natural, natural thing to

1011
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,960
you know, for that just comes to real people.

1012
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: So again, if these things, if these if these flying sources,

1013
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,880
if these were being visited from somewhere, if these are real,

1014
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,159
what about the abduction thing that right millions of people

1015
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,760
talk about, is that real or not? And yeah, that's

1016
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,320
the obvious question it is, which will demand answers. Yeah

1017
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,840
it is. And I and I can maybe maybe he's

1018
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,880
ready to deal with that. Yeah officially, Yeah, but.

1019
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,079
Speaker 2: They're they're going to have to. I mean, it's it's

1020
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,719
it's it's clearly happening.

1021
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: Uh Again, I firmly believe that is one of the

1022
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,239
the core reasons for the cover up and the links

1023
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:15,039
of of the really dirty things that our governments have done,

1024
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:19,159
uh to keep this keep this thing, you know, out there.

1025
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: But but Steve, it's really been a pleasure having you out.

1026
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: So, uh, Steve, your book is out is the your

1027
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:30,239
book is out of time, the Intergenerational Abduction program explored

1028
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,319
from Grosvenor House.

1029
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 2: If I'm saying that right.

1030
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 3: Public Okay, it's an eccentric spelling.

1031
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,159
Speaker 2: Grosvenek Grovnor House Publishing.

1032
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: And then you have your new book out with doctor

1033
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:48,760
Andreas Luck Investigating the Impossible is out as well. How

1034
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:52,479
How do folks find the find this book? It's not

1035
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,199
on Amazon because of some sneaky stuff Amazon may have doted.

1036
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 3: Oh the the the Growth House publication is is sold

1037
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:07,159
by Amazon. The ISBN numbers are from the twenty twenty

1038
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,079
three edition. The second edition are completely different to the

1039
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,119
and it's not published cut by Kindle Direct Publishing and

1040
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,640
Amazons selling it amazingly. I mean, they sold the second

1041
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,840
edition straight away. I don't know whether they just didn't

1042
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,840
their their systems. It's probably because the ISBN numbers are

1043
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,279
completely different. Maybe they recognize them as different products from

1044
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:31,960
a different author. I don't know why. I can't explain that.

1045
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,960
But the Amazon I've sold, you know, four thousand books

1046
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:40,800
through Amazon dot com a copies amount of times from

1047
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,680
Amazon dot com. So and you know, the new book

1048
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,319
is doing really well only the markets and safe or second.

1049
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,880
So you can get them all from Amazon, or you

1050
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,880
can get them from Barnes and Noble, or you can

1051
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,439
walk into a High Street bookstore and order them from

1052
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:56,279
the High Street Books.

1053
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,239
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm super glad to hear that people can

1054
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,560
get it at on Amazon.

1055
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,520
Speaker 2: I thought that was not the case. So I'm very

1056
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,520
very very happy that was finally solved.

1057
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: And let's let's not tell if you go on any

1058
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,640
other podcast, don't mention the new ISBN number in case,

1059
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,039
in case, what's his name the CEO of Amazon is watching.

1060
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 3: Well, just let's keep that on the down low, mister Bezos.

1061
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:29,359
That's right, We've got well, I've got two websites. As well.

1062
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,640
One is Out of Time book dot info and the

1063
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:36,319
there is Investigating Impossible dot info. That that second website

1064
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:40,560
is very informative and it is quite Yeah, it's quite

1065
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,119
extensive and both can contain ordering details. Okay, links to

1066
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,279
also order.

1067
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: It, Okay, Yeah, and we'll be sure to put those

1068
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,960
links links in the YouTube description.

1069
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,159
Speaker 1: Well, Steve, it's been an honor having you on the show.

1070
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,479
This is definitely I would say at least a two

1071
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,960
part interview will be breaking it up. There's there's just

1072
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:06,199
such a wealth of information and uh, and I have

1073
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:09,680
to just say thank you for your bravery in telling

1074
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,439
your story and and uh, you know, and I think

1075
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,479
in many ways people that are have wondered, hey, did

1076
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,520
something happen to me? Or maybe it didn't. I think

1077
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,640
that that hearing reading reading these books, hearing it from

1078
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,600
someone like yourself, a serious researcher, people can go, you

1079
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,119
know what, I wasn't I'm not crazy, this this did

1080
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:34,399
happen to me. And there's uh, there's strength in numbers.

1081
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,359
The uh this has happened to certainly millions of people.

1082
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,239
There is zero doubt about that. But but again, thank

1083
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:45,239
you very much for coming on the show and I hope,

1084
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:46,840
I hope the weather cools off there.

1085
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,520
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's it's a little unbearable.

1086
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:56,159
Speaker 3: It's midnight now, twelve midnight, all right, Well so it's

1087
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,520
a little cooler.

1088
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: A little a little cooler. Well, well, well thanks for.

1089
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: Staying forward to thirty five degrees tomorrow. That's one hundred

1090
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,039
and five fair nights. Boy.

1091
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it's much cooler here in southern California.

1092
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:09,800
But I won't keep you up any later.

1093
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: I truly appreciate you coming on the show, and it

1094
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,680
is a thank.

1095
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 3: You for inviting me on. It's been a great, great pleasure.

1096
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: Folks, if you just watched both parts of our conversation

1097
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,479
with Steve Aspin, you already know that this isn't a

1098
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,560
man asking you to take anything on faith. He took

1099
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,359
this evidence in the laboratories, he put it in a book,

1100
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,000
and that book was pulled off Amazon overnight in twenty

1101
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:37,760
twenty three over most likely the forensic evidence in its appendices.

1102
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:40,439
It's back now on Amazon, so you can find it there,

1103
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,479
but you have to ask yourself why a book like

1104
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,760
that gets erased. Read it and make up your own mind.

1105
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,720
Thank you for tuning in, and if you love what

1106
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,720
we do here, Hit that subscribe button.

1107
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm Matt Ford. This has been the good Trouble Show.

1108
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We'll see you next time.