Speaker 1: Last time a man told us what happened to him
tonight we get to the evidence.
Speaker 2: He says, someone wanted bury.
Speaker 3: Within seconds, I had this lump in my throat and
I just went just one little cough and out came
a blood clots. And in the middle of the blood
clot was a thing like a grain of whete out
the side of the grain of wheat.
Speaker 1: He says, He's not the only one, and they always
come the same way, in threes, straight through the walls.
Speaker 3: They're described as being working in threes. When he comes
to collect abdutees, they will say that maybe the three
of them come and pick you up. They take him
through the window, but they can take people through floors
and apartment blocks and really fit walls.
Speaker 1: A serious researcher, forensic labs, and a book that vanished
from Amazon overnight. Let's find out everyone. Welcome back to
the Good Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. This is part
two of my conversation with Steve Aspin, author of the
book Out of Time, the intergenerational abduction program Explored, and
a second book with doctor Andreas Luck Investigating the Impossible
Biology offers new answers and insights If you missed part one,
go back and watch it first, because you're going to
want to see the full story before you watch this part,
which is part two. Last time, Steve told us what
happened to him starting on a building site in rural
England when he was sixteen, and why he believes it
runs down his family line. Tonight we get to the
hard part, the physical evidence, the implants, the lab results,
and what Steve calls the program, including a claim that
should stop you cold, that some of these beings.
Speaker 2: Now look get this like us, and.
Speaker 1: They walk among us. Let's pick up where we left off.
Please welcome again, Steve Aspen. You'll hear people say, oh,
there's no physical evidence of this abduction phenomenon, but quite
to the contrary, there is.
Speaker 2: There are these things called implants.
Speaker 1: And for someone that doesn't know anything about this, tell
us about implants, and tell us about doctor Roger Lear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the implants, they the abductions. Cite them in antipsies.
I'm not sure they're in all amptipsies, because I don't
know all amptipsies. I mean, there's millions of them in
the world, in the human population, but in my case,
I know that I won't hear rice. It's in the
crib reformed place just web No, not not now, but
because it's gone. But it's where the olfactory nerve enter
is the brain, and it is the only part of
the of the the the brain that's visible through the
nasal passages, not visible, but accessible through nasal passages. And
there's a there's a guy called what's his name, the
guy who wrote Demion Lost. It's a guy called He's
a medical scientist who wrote a book called Demion Lost
and published in twenty three. He's written a big section
and in his book about the sighting of implants. And
there's there's another medic called Miller, John Miller. He's in
your part of the world as a a traumas surgeon.
I think he's me. I think he may have retired now,
but he wrote a lot of papers about this sighting
of implants and the generally the things that the abductees
have wrong with them physically, that that that normal norm
members of the population don't have. But so I take
a lot of a few quotes from Miller and not
rap Wan, because he publishes book after Out of Time
was was published, so he isn't including that but there's
a lot of people have have identified these these implants,
what what they where they're sited, and how difficult they
are to site there, you know, because if they some people,
a lot of addictees complain. Now they're ringing in one
one ear for a few seconds each day, and it's
really quite loud. It just comes and increases in volume,
and it plateaus and then it decreases in volume. It's
like a it's like a very strong single notes hum.
And some adductees say they have a sound in the
other ear that maybe happens at different intervals. Maybe that
only goes off once a week or so, but that's
a different Maybe it's a higher pitch which goes off
this for it less frequently. So it seems like for
those advanties that they might might have something placed in
both ears. But Rapuano demonstrates how the the olfactory. Sorry,
if you want to reach the ear canals without puncturing
the ear drum, you have to have instrumentation, very complex
instrumentation that goes up the nose and round through the
not into the sinus cavities, but round the same passages
and go down down through the face and you know,
the ears and nose are joined up. That's why you
have in your earnos and throat surgeons which are called
out our ontologists or something. But Bruce Rajuano demonstrates what
the abductors must be doing and to get to manage
to do this, to adoptees to place these implants, and
it makes the point very strongly that they have to
have a first of all, extremely sophisticated understanding of human physiology.
And secondly, they have to have devoted a lot of
time and resources to designing and manufacturing instrumentation to get
through these passages in this particular way and cite these implants,
and then we draw the instrumentation, we leave no marks
in xterior marks. And he says that this is one
of the things that proves that this is almost certainly
some kind of program where they've invested enormous resources in
these very peculiar, eccentric, intricate surgical procedures and string them
because they can do them. You know, the tall grays
can do these things. You know that they can. They
can put things in right up here, this criberform play
area is almost impossibly difficult to operate on by a
human surgeon. And sometimes if you try to do it,
you kill a patient. So that's why only in a
dire emergency is any surgical procedure attempted. And they're extremely risky,
but they seem to be at eased with doing these things,
you know. And some of the implants are in other
parts of the body, but most of them are in
the head, in the nose and the air carriages. So
that Roger Lear was a podiatric surgeon who was engaged
with this endeavor from nineteen ninety five twenty fourteen when
he died, so almost twenty years nineteen years, and he
operated on twenty patients during that time, and the twenty
abductees claimed they had implants in their bodies, and one
of these was ended up in the hands of neutron
stun and nanotechnology in California. We've already discussed where the
very complex analysis of this objects is detailed independixity, out
of time, and it's got some extraordinary characteristics. And you know,
one of the characteristics of these implants is that they
contain a lot of iridium and gold and platinum, which
iridium is maybe one hundred times rarer than gold, is
an extremely rare substance. If you know anything about an
Nascar mummies thing in Peru, they some of these human
human or reptile mummies had had implants implanted devices in
their glassic thoracic cavity. That's osteofused, which means the bones
that the bones were still growing at the time the
implant was put in, and they grew around the implants.
The bone has grown around the implant, so it was
the the organism was a living being that that's the
only way you can get bones to grow around the
implants and and then mesh it. These these were made
of iridium. Where they where they they where they got
it from? Nobody knows because none of no sources of
the isn't this is known in South America. No sort
of sources of aridium is known. But there they are,
you know, they're in these creatures. They at Vacreucius. So
these implants also contain this. It's metal iridium. And so
Roger Lear because it is podiatric surgeon, he was only
surgically licensed and qualified to operate on the legs and feasts,
and he most of the implantsy we extracted from abduptcies
were from the legs and feasts, because they appear in
all sorts of different parts of the body, you know,
as as I said already, it seems like from you know,
all the adupsies that have been that are aware of
their situation, that the vast majority are in the head,
in any ears and in those and so forth, and
some of them in the middle of the brain, and
some are in the spinal column. But there's a minority
do show up in their feet and their legs and
so forth. And Roger Lear was licensed to operate on those.
He did surgically remove twenty of them, only one of
which we found a pretty prosaic it was a piece
of grass. But the other nineteen were in various degrees
exotic and exhibited. As an example, they have shells of
are woven of hemoside, are in protein, coagulum and keratin
and kerosene, as you may know, is a substance. There's
this primary constituents of human hair and nails. So there's
no it's got no purpose being inside the body like that,
you know, deep inside the body, and you know they're
they're very complex. They've got carbon nanotubes at the cause
and so forth. They emit radio waves and three different
frequency bands and so forth that they that stop four
to six weeks after their room from the body. So
they'rey're very complicated devices. And then some of them are
only as large as a grain of wheat.
Speaker 2: Wow. And do you know what what radio frequencies they?
What those frequencies are?
Speaker 3: I don't help him in my head right now, but
the frequencies are are recording and out of time in
chapter four.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm just curious on un skin on Skinwalker Ranch,
you hear a lot about this one point six gigahertz thing,
and I was curious if if that was that?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: You you actually had an implant that was in your
nose that kind of blew out or something.
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that? Right? Yeah? I was. I had
a heavy colders January a couple of years ago. In fact,
I was writing out of Time actually, and it's very
very very very close to the beginning of out of Time,
and I just I won't get too graphic my head
for mucus, and I just went and just just try
and clear my chest, and within seconds I had this
lump in my throat and I just went just one
little cough and out came a blood clots, and in
the middle of the blood clot was a thing like
like a grain of wheate, out the side of a
grain of wheat. And it was in the wash basin
in the bathroom, and I was so determined to get
rid of it because I didn't want my wife to
think I was coughing up blood and she'd have this
straight down the emergency room because that's not something I
normally do. Because it was quite a big blood closs,
I was so determined to get rid of it. I
washed it down the basin with gallons and gallons of water.
And you know, we have a septic tank here because
we live out in the sticks and we're not connected
to main strainage, and so it's it would end up
in a septic tank, but there's no way you retrieve
something sure, you know that size. And so the next
day my nostrils were bleeding. Well, actually there's the same evening,
but it was late late in evening when I coffee
sting out and I just went to bed, and I
discovered the next morning was blood all over the pillar.
And both nostrils are bleeding, and they bled little bits,
not too much, but continuously for twenty four hours, and
I rolled a piece of tissue like like a kitchen
roll and pushed it up each nostril in turn, and
they're all bloody and they didn't stop bleeding for twenty
four hours. So it just occurred to me suddenly this
I coughed out and implants and I washed it down
and bloody, sinking in washing it down the dream.
Speaker 1: What do you think these implants are doing any as
any of the analysis sort of you know, led to
any kind of hypotheses about you know, are these like
GPS trackers?
Speaker 2: For lack of a better way of explaining it, well, it.
Speaker 3: Used to be thought that they were probably location devices.
But the thing is, the ets have demonstrated a techniques
of finding abducties wherever they are, and I don't we
don't really think they are they are location devices. They
think they're more sophisticated than that, and they seem to
be able to assess some measure hormonal levels and mood
changes and things like that, and then they send the
information back to you know, whoever's upstairs looking at the dials,
you know, if that's what they do. But they they're
they're gathering physiological information from body or wins and systems
and probably to do with mood control or something like that.
That they're they're more sophisticated than just location devices. That's
the sure I.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about.
Speaker 1: You've spoken about the grades and that I think that's
the thing that most people.
Speaker 2: Hear about the little gray beings.
Speaker 1: I want you to walk us through the and I
think this is in chapter nine you talk about other
species of non human intelligence for people again totally new
to this, what are those other species?
Speaker 2: What do they look like?
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Speaker 3: Well BOC's reports have always reported two types of so
called gravelients. You know that they're very skinny morphology. They
have no visible sexual organs, it's all. They just go
straight down. They have massively huge ukraniums, huge heads with
very large foreheads on big almond shaped black eyes or
sometimes they just to describes a very deep brown, but
they're very dark eyes and there's you know, skin tone
varies from them. The tan color basically like a really
light brown, to the grays to dark grays through light
gray and then very very occasionally they're reported as white
being white like a hotel and bedsheet, not not like
you know, like a piece of paper, not white like
European you know, Caucasian type skin which isn't white at all,
but that these creatures are sometimes described as white skinned.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: These come in two sizes. They come into the small size,
the small grays, which are about two foot six or
three feet tall. They're very skinny, very light, and these
creatures are always reported by adulties, or have been till
recently because of the phenomenons changed somewhat in recent years,
but they're still part of it. There's they're described as
being working in threes. He always work in threes. When
you come to collect abductees, they always say that they
the three of them come and then pick you up,
and three of them come and pick you back to
take you back, and you know, they escort the abductsy
if if the abductees sleep, they get her or him
awake and they get them to stand up, and they
usually get them to walk into a different room where
there's a big window in the house if there is,
if there is in the house, and they take them
through the window. But they can take people through floors
and apartment blocks and really thick walls. It seems that
might take a lot more energy than getting themselves and
humans through a pane of glass. So they when they
have the opportunity, they always take you into a room
with a glass window and take through there because you know,
it's obviously they find that easier. And they everything that levitates,
everything is doesn't have seem to have any gravice. You
seem to have no influence on you, and you feel
yourself being pulled up. All adductees say this, and you
know that they sometimes see the objects above them as
they move towards us, and you know, they describe in
various kinds of detail, you know, what happens during the
abduction events. But when the time comes to go home,
so to speak, the same three little grace you know,
take adulties back. So that's their primary job, and they
take them by the hand and they walk them around
from one procedure to another. Fa thing. There's all sorts
of complex procedures in abduction events, you know, like one
of the things they occasionally do is immerse an abducty
in a tank of liquid, and the abductees scared to
death that you'll drown or shield round. But they've discovered
they can breathe this liquid in a in a tank
by a great, great big round tank, and you're definitely
floating in a liquid. But they find that they can
breathe this liquid amazingly and not suffocate. So you know
they have they all these procedures and they go from
take you from place to place. Inside they'd take they
place a scanning device on your chest sometimes and for
that they need you to to go upright rather than
line line your back, so they sometimes use restraining straps
around your ankles and around your forearms to stop you
falling over when they scan you with this device. And
you know, so as they take you from place to place,
a little gray will advants say they're always led by
the little grays around from one place similar during the
abduction events. And you know they now they are the
large the tall grays are about twice the size of us.
More ones where they have the same morphology, very very
skinny bodies and very very big heads and the arm
shaped eyes, and they tend to do are sometimes abductees
used to refer to them as the doctor or the
one in charge right, and they do all the complex surgery.
They oosight harvesting from female aduptees, sperm collection from male aduptees,
procedures on the on the on the head and the nose,
and so forth, needle incisions and so forth, anything surgical
and manipulative if they do those. And they also do
the mind scan procedures, which is where the one of
the tool grays will come right up to the abductee
who is lying on the table, and the tool alien
will put his eye right up to the abductee, and
they twist their head around like that until they sometimes
they move around the foot of the table or the
head of the table rather to get a position, and
they try the other their other eye against yours, and
suddenly adults hees say they feel this sensation racing through them.
They have thousands of fours racing through their minds, memories
and so forth, and they have feelings of elation, feelings
of sexual arousal, feelings of anger, feelings of fear, and
all sorts of really strong emotions. All happen one after another,
and that's when the alien the abducta is locking into
the optic nerve. One of the things they seem to
be able to do is travel down the optic nerve
into the brain somehow. Don't ask me how they do this,
but they do it. They can do it, and they
manipulate the brain the memory so that you don't remember
anything that's happened during the abduction events, but it's stored
in the long term memory of the abductee so that
you can you can train your long term memory. As
an example, if you're I won't out ask how old
you are, but you say you're fifty or something. If
you try to remember an incident that happened when you're
five years old, not a notable event, a date like
your birthday or Christmas Day, but any random date from
the calendar, you won't remember it because none of us do.
But if you it's all in your memory somewhere. It's
all stored in there. And if you train yourself to
try and think what day of the week it was,
what you were doing, what the weather was like, what
who you were with, what were you were wearing? What
we close the clothes or like you we're wearing at
five years old? Who? And always things that like you.
If you really cause your memory, you're asking memory to Europe,
it's information about this particular date, and keep asking and
keep passing and keep as it every day. Do you
know ten minutes sides and after about six weeks you
remember it. Do you remember the whole day from what
you were doing on that date and who you're with
and what it was like and what you're feeling. You
will remember everything. It takes a lot of work. The
thing about regressive hypnosis, one of the reasons why is
marred the controversial is because of the mind field, where
it's very easy to lead the subjects into thinking something happened,
it didn't happen, whatever the practitioner wants the you know,
the patients to think. But if it's the only way
you can recover your long term, deep buried memories, if
that's where they put the abduction events that happened to
you last week, you won't find it any other way
because it's buried down there in your memory of when
you are five years old. And unless you remember the event,
link link the events to that particular day, you won't.
You know, you won't retrieve this, you won't be will
be forever buried. And it is buried. It's not lost, right,
it's buried. Yeah, So that the tour grades to that
those kind of procedures are very sophisticated neurological abilities, and
they're also to return to the different types of abductors.
There are reptilian like creatures which are described in various
ways far by various people. And there's do you remember
the episode I recounted out of time and chapter nine
about Farah? Do your Doosa his great grandfather, Yes you do, Yes,
he was.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: A teacher at istan Bull University in the eighteen nineties
and in his early twenties. I think he might have
just been twenty years old that he was. His young
wife had gone off to visit her family for a
few days, and he was alone in the house on
his own, and he was visited by two huge rectory
in nasties like seven feet tall and very awfully bills.
And he used to just, apparently Eman Refik describe these.
He's long dead now, but he used to describe these
to the family as I'm unmistakable and terrifying. And they
talked to him in his mind telepathectally, and they wanted
him to consent to something or take part in something,
and they wouldn't let him go until he agreed to this,
and they controlled him physically within minds, so that he
was paralyzed and was unable to move for you for
several hours. And at the end of this procedure, these
reptilians went up to him and said, from you to
three generations, and they left. And this is interesting because
eman Refiic was living. She was he was born about
the same time as my great grandmother, who was born
in eighteen seventy three, so she would have been seventeen
years old in eighteen ninety and or eighteen ninety three
she would have been twenty, so she was She's of
the same generation as eman refit was, and you know that.
And doctors said to me when I was eleven years old,
it's because of your mother and your grandmother and your
great grandmother, So you know. They the fact that these
beings visited to Demion Rephic allegedly in eighteen ninety and
told him from you to general three generations tied in
with what was total eleven years old. Really that that's
that's when the program was started or accelerated. And it's
interesting that they weren't great aliens, they were allegedly in reptilians.
And I have a theory about them and what part
they play in the program, which you know I expand
I expanded them in the book, which may or may
not be correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the these reptilian beings and maybe a previous
race of beings from somewhere that were subject to this program,
maybe at an earlier stage, and it was so successful
with them. That's they have been co opted in the
early times of of this program, in the early years
of this program to do the work that was later
done by the grays and the grid that's.
Speaker 2: And the grays you believe them to be kind of
like like worker bees, genetically engineered or something, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they do. I used to think that
the small grays were all all males, if they have
a gender at all, because you know, they're no they're
no visible sexual organs, but they're that, you know, one
of the one of when one of the tall ones
talk to you as an example, because they they there
that you can tell whether it's a male one or
a female one, which it sounds really improbable when you
describe their physical characteristics because they have no hair, they're
no bodily hair, they have no sexual organs, they have
no secondary sexual characterist it's like breasts or you know,
the males don't have beards or anything. You can you
can't tell them physically a part. But when one of
them talks to you, you know it's a male or
a female. You just know. And you can't explain all
adultcies say this to me. You know, you can't explain
why you know, but you just know.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. And there's a fourth one as well, right,
fourth fourth being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are these are the mentids you're talking about.
When abductees say one of those's presence, there's only ever
one in the room or in the vicinity. Only one.
There's never come in little groups of three or anything.
And this one has an extremely powerful mental engagements with
the humans with the adut teos, and he or she
is completely overpowering in terms of you. When one of
them is engaging with you mentally, even from me away you,
that's all that you can deal with because it's so overpowering.
And some abdulties not not true my case, but some
abdidancies report that's theselnted beings down upload them is it?
Upload he uploads and you download it a ton of
information into abduptsies brains about complex astrophysics or cosmology or
something or you know, all this really really sophisticated scientific stuff.
They dump it all all at once, and the adultee
goes around in a daze for three or four days afterwards,
trying to sort it out. And that's all they can
deal with. That's all they're going to think about, because
it's still there, trying to sort it out and make
sense of it and understand it. So they have they
have these these in fast, fantastically powerful neural engagement. They're
about seven feet tall and they're taller than any of
the other beings, and they're very very skinny, very skinny
like the gray aliens, but that their heads are light
like preying mantisters. Almost all addipties say, it looks like
a big praying mantis and it has this, you know,
the way of pray mantis puts its arms like that.
You know, this is where it gets its name from
the insect. And they do that and they they walk
will afford the stoops. Usually most adpties describe this not all.
But and when they engage with you mentally and they
look into your eye and they do this mind scan thing,
they are the most powerful of the of the abducts
group of aductors. And you know, I think speculates here.
I'm not the first researchers to speculators about this. It
seems to me they might be the instigations of the program. Okay, okay,
these creatures and why they look like you know, yeah,
we don't imagine, can't imagine. I mean, that's a completely
genetically intriguing, you know, idea that that's what they look like,
that's what people they look like. And then everybody says
the same thing.
Speaker 1: And you touched on very early in our interview about
some of the medical procedures that would be done to abductees,
and you know, we know that one of the features
are procedures that seem to deal with human reproduction. And
you know, I've heard many times about this kind of
concept of hybridization or or or you know, they're trying
to create sort of a hybrid species. Walk us through
that whole thing and what what you think is was
happening versus what you think is currently happening with this
kind of hybrid hybridization or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: Well, people have talked about hybrids for thirty or forty
years now and these are Originally they they looked like
a cross between gray aliens and their advertees, which they
had they alien features. So they're often had big black
eyes and scrawny hair, and very skinny morphology and skinny
arms and so forth and so and that. Then you
know that they were more human like and more human
like but and dressed look. And I have a chapter
on hybridization and transgenesis in our new book, Investigating the Impossible,
during which we investigate hybridization through the lens of cellular
biology and genetics, which is and it's quite a sciencey areas,
quite a heavy, heavy science chapter. But you know, Andreas
has produced a lot of graphic illustrations describing the cellular
and biological processes involved. And basically, you know, long short
of this is that hybridization of different species and different
biospheres is so incredibly difficult it's probably well nigh impossible
to achieve successfully. And if they did pull it off,
then the resulting creatures would probably not live more than
a few years before there was multiple organ failures and
would need to so you know, it's they do continue
to take sperm and eggs and over from adults ease
even now from the Better. In Barney Ill case in
nineteen sixty one, Bessie described an incision made around about
our ovaries and the abductor said he was giving her
a pregnancy test.
Speaker 2: Oh I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's almost certainly not what this was. The presidu,
this was what this procedure was, was almost certainly ooside
harvesting from one of the ovaries right through the needle.
Barney Hill had a sperm sample taken during that abduction.
Barney was not an abduct tee in the Ancestral program.
He was just taken opportunistically. But because his wife was
taking that very occasionally happens, and because they were you know,
members of was it the Pennecostal Church or something, and
very very devoted, voted turned church goers, and this was
nineteen sixties, he insisted that John Fuller remove that pass
of the narrative from his book. Yeah. Wow, I didn't
know the And it was only thirty years after Barney
had died that Better You revealed this to the world.
She said that in John Fuller was asked to remove
the sperm taking procedure from the Interrupted Journey publication. Nobody
knew that the hills were had who sits and sperm
taken that you know this this this is a regular
thing with adultsies. I mean some male ablities tell me
they're taken and they they they're told during the abduction,
we just want some seed from you and you can
go back this time. That's all we're going to do,
and they take it. Wow. You know that there are
all sorts of procedures they have for getting sperm ou
male abiluptsies including well adiluties that had surgical viseectors. They
they have this way of in certain needle into the
testes just the area just behind the scrotum and taking
it directly from the testes without any seminal food or
seminal plasma. And you know, so they know what they're
doing where human's physiology is concerned. They really understand what
they're doing in ways that most of us don't understand
our body's work. But they are really under this stuff,
you know.
Speaker 2: And and so the hybridization part we talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if if hybridization is is so difficult, has to
be make it impossible to make creatures survive for long
or certainly survive into a second generation or it's certainly
not to survive for more than a year. Why how
do you explain these hubridge that allegedly have been.
Speaker 1: Have been.
Speaker 3: Talked to really really created to live in human society
and integrate themselves in our society. And what we've come
up with is not hybridization but transgenesis. That's that. What
they do is they take sperm from a male abidacy
ousts from a female abiatcy unites them and make a
fertilization and make a zygote. At the very early stage
in the zygotes, usually after a few cell divisions, it's
feasible for them to introduce a few genes that are
not normally put in humans. We don't know whether these
are synthetic, or whether they're alien genes, or or what
they are, but it's conceivable to do that, and it's
conceivable to to therefore make these creatures completely telepathic and
make them able to control humans with their minds, and
give them a lot of other abilities. And they look
and behave exactly like we do, exactly like humans look
exactly like we do, and they age at the same
race as we do, and so forth, And if they're
transgendic beings. They're not technically hybridized. What a hybrid is,
as an example, is a mule, which is fifty percent
horse and fifty percent donkey. And when you get a mule,
a donkey and a horse mating and the resulting offspring
is a mule, it's really obvious that it's half and half.
It really looks like half a horse and half a mule.
These hybrids, these transgenic beings, don't look like that. They
look like humans. They look like humans. And so we're
speculating in our book and investigating the impossible that this
is how it's done. This is how it's done by
introducing some genes into the zygot to an early stage
and you know the the the zygotes can then become
an embryo and it can be just stated in a
tank of fluid and it can be placed in the
human female for the period of the first trimester, which
we think is still done to thousands of women a
year across the world, maybe even millions, because they're they're
the the the the woman reports that she's pregnant and
she has a positive pregnancy tests, you know from the
pharmacy and the eurogynology gynecologists says, yes, you're definitely pregnant,
and this is the first trimester. You know, they can
establish what dates it was probably conceived. And then after
about the first trimester, about ten weeks, it's gone. The
woman wakes up in the morning and it's gone. There's
no blood, there's no abortion. You know that there's nothing
there to show for it. There's not a dash of
hormone levels with and it's just disappeared. It's literally disappeared overnight.
And this is where that they the abduct is abducts
the woman again, the adult heer again, and then remove
it and put it back in the morning, and she
never knows. And that before the bump even shows publicly.
Why they value placing the embryo in a human female
for the first trimester and then removing it. We really
don't know. I've got some ideas about it, and Undress
has got two different ideas about it. But you if
you read Investigating the Impossible, you can get the fourth
story about what might might be really going on here
and why?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, and you not in the book that that
these hubrids are are breeding directly with unwilling, unwitting human partners. Uh,
how would I know if if I mean, I'm married,
but uh, you know, how would one know if you're
if you're mating with a a hubrid.
Speaker 3: I I can't answer, where where is that is that
amount of time?
Speaker 2: Which, yeah, I don't have the chapter noted. I think
it was. Uh yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm probably reporting what advertsies are saying. Some
advertsies are saying reporting. I have no personal experience about myself,
so I really I can only report what people say.
And maybe they're misnided, maybe they're mistaken, maybe they're onto something.
It seems like if the aliens are or the abducts is,
whoever they are, whether they're you know, they're from a
different universe, whether they're from a different dimension, or whatever
they are. It seems that they're making humans one hundred
percent look like humans and behave like humans, and can
speak with their mouths or learn to speak with their mouths,
learn to speak vocally, and integrating them slowly into human society.
That some of them are successful and some of them
aren't so successful. Apparently that one of the things they're
going to do is breed with humans in the end,
maybe they're not going to battle. You know, we don't
really know what the plan is or whether whether the
abductors have a plan worked out. They might have an
idea about what their own ultimate objectives are, but that
they might not understand what every every stage of the
process is going to involve, and the you know, the
the program might have evolved and changed according to what
they find they're having to deal with. But their objective
is to get into the human world and somehow take
some sort of control, guid guide in control over it.
It's pretty obvious that that's what they're doing. You know,
when you.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the do you think that they're
sorry to interrupt again? Do you think the world governments
are aware of exactly what is going on?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Do you do you have any
ideas about it? You're closest to some of these people
in the I am.
Speaker 1: I I personally think they are are fully aware, and
I I would say that that is one of the
primary reasons for the secrecy, is the abduction phenomenon in
and others as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with that, and I think you noted.
Speaker 1: As well that that you think you've been surveilled Am
I correct in that or am I misremembering that you've
been surveilled by like you've been surveilled by government or
contractors or anything. I thought I remember that in the book,
but I don't know.
Speaker 3: When Robert Haysings came to stay with us in England
about ten years ago. I can't remember exactly what else, Ik,
it's maybe twelve years ago. No, it's twenty fourteen, because
we went to Normandy on that trip and then we
have what was probably a dual abduction in the place
we stayed in in Normandy that's also involved a close
up for citing a a UFO in it. An extremely
disturbed night that Robert and I had. My wife always
was slept right through and she she wouldn't even go
nearest in the morning. She said, you know, we felt
like something had happened overnight. We came back to England
and Roberts had agreed to meet with an a list
journalist that was working for London Times. I'm the leader
writer r London Times, and he met with us on
a Monday evening, which is the quietest evening of the
week for bars and restaurants. He met with us in
a venue in Richmond On Terms which is an enclave
in the southwest London near where this where this journalist
actually lives with this family. And we sat down at
the table and we started our meeting. There was myself
as my wife, there was Robert, and there was this
guy who I called in the book. I called him Nathan.
I don't reveal his real name. He knows who he is.
But so as we were talking a guy, the bar
was almost empty like that. We had twenty odd tables
and they were quite large tables, like dining tables. He
was almost empty, and the guy came in sat right
next to us at the next table, and then he
ostina put on a pair of headphones and got got
a box with his bag and put it on a
table and stared at us like that.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And after about half an hour we started looking at him.
I started looking at him, and then Roberts started looking
at him. And the journalist didn't notice any of this,
or appeared not to. And the guy started to get
visibly uncomfortable, and he got up and packed his gear
away and left, and immediately he was replaced by another one.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, same same same seat and everything.
Speaker 3: Okay, same seat, same equipment, different guy right right, And
so we finished our meeting and we got a couple
of other people came into the bar during that time
sat down. But I mean it, the bar had a
capacity for two hundred people sitting down, and there was
like five of us in the old place, you know,
So there's another couple of people came in because you know,
it was it was Monday evening and it's a very
quite nice week for you know, going out and enjoying yourself.
It's the quietest night in the entertainment world usually. So
as we left, we said O goodbye is and we
started walking back to our cars because we we you know,
we came in my car, and the journalists came in
his car, and they were parking in different streets just nearby.
And as we were walking, this guy, the first guy
who sat down next to us and then disappeared for
a couple of hours, walked up behind us. I trod
on the back of Robert's foot and made his shoe
come off. Wow street. He didn't apologize, he didn't say anything.
He just did that and then he walked off.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: You can ask Roberts for his version of his story,
which is pretty much identical to mine.
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure wow, yeah, he when I was out visiting,
but he.
Speaker 3: Was listening to us and wanted to wanted it to
be known that we were being observed and listened to
and wanted to wanted it to be known that our
phone calls have been intercepted. Yeah, and knew about the meeting. Yeah,
there was obvious that they wanted us to know that. Yeah,
that we that we were, we were, what we were
up to was known about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have had that same experience in a in a
different way, but with this Daily Mail article that we published.
H okay in towards the end here and I again
I didn't write down the chapter number, oh as yeah,
I did in chapter three. You have a thirty five
item checklist titled titled finding out that You're one of
the Chosen Ones. Uh. And I'm sure some of the
viewers tonight or when they order your book, that's probably
going to be one of the first chapters they jump
to to find out whether he, you know, am I
one of the Chosen Ones?
Speaker 2: Walk us through some of those.
Speaker 3: I don't have a book in front of me, but
I well, oh yes I do. Actue sore because my
memory is not. One of the things is people have
experienced a period of missing time, yes, somehow in their
lives when they don't they can't remember whether they were
what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, chapter three is what I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got yeah, yeah, mm hmm. They often have
a compulsive fascination with Oh. Sorry, that's that's that's the last.
I'll start at the beginning because I'm not sure we'll
go through all thirty five, and that's the time for this.
A many people report fear or unease when they travel
down a particular stretch of road for no obvious reason,
save for a vague impression that something strange and disturbing
had happened to them there in the past. For some,
misphobia is so severe that will that they will often
take a detail of several miles. I've got all this
stuff from talking to abductees, you, first world advertees and
e sail over the years. A compulsion to fulfill of
secret mission in life, but don't know exactly what it is,
a deep feeling of having a calling but one day
will be revealed, or a feeling that they are somehow special.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: As an extensions point, three. Some have a deep feeling
that one day a great cataclysm or change will happen
in which they will be required to act or assist,
and when that day arise, they will know what to do.
Speaker 2: I've heard that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Many become many developed psychic abilities or an interest in them,
and feel ashamed or embarrassed omitting this. Many become attractors
of religions and mysticism, spiritualism, or the occult, and sometimes
investigate these areas of belief to the degree that they
join a local congregation, temple, or group. Oh, after a time,
After a time, they leave and move on because they
find no answers to the core of what is troubling them.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: An attraction to or even commitment to environmentalism is common,
and some become politically active, and many become vegetarian.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard that one as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Many admit to having powerful, recurrent dreams of planetary
thermonuclear war or a large scale disc struction from environmental disasters,
so they put this stuff in your mind.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: During abductions, many report recurrent dreams of flying through the
air or levitating, emphasizing that these dreams are accompanied by
physiological sensations similar to those experiences in the pit of
the stomach. While ascending in a fast elevator, they find,
or more often usually their partners or family members, to
discover unusual marks on their bodies, such as scars, scoop marks,
laser like straight line cuts on limbs or back, and
are unable to explain how or when they had occurred.
They sometimes wake up with bruises, sometimes quite large and painful,
or fresh burn marks, especially around risks, upper arms, or ankles,
none of which they can explain. Advertees have been known
to wake up from deep sleep with actual usually like fingers,
finger bones, or toes.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Some wake with leaves, twigs, or soil in the bed,
as if they have been outside during the night and
brought these back into bed with them.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you want me to go on?
Speaker 1: Maybe just a few more of a few of a
few more of the really interesting ones. But this is yeah,
they were pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: They awake with their night clothes on backwards or inside out,
or else folded on a nearby chair or occasionally an ie.
Some of jewelry or clothing will be missing and never
subsequently be found. Some have woken up finding straight wearing
strange clothes that do not belong to them. I've had
this about three or four times, not not one month personally,
but I've had that. This reported being simply three or
four times. People woke up, wake up, they didn't buy
these clothes, they weren't they've never worn them, and they
wake up wearing them and they don't know where they
came from. Wow. I mean, it's it's quite difficult to
go through it. You see, when you have all these
kind of experiences, you you have no idea what is
going on, You have no idea why why do you do?
You end up living this really weird life that nobody
can make sense of. Then you discover the alien alien
abduction phenomenon and the alien abduction thing and all the
things that to do with it. Immediately everything makes sense.
All this stuff comes together immediately. It is not uncommon,
but for those experiences in a missing time episode, a
while awake and then going about that Dailey about their
daily business to discover later that items of jewelry are
missing or wrongly fastened. For an exam example, one adupt
To discovered upon arriving home two hours long that her
ear rings were fitted with a posts and class reversed
another that his shirt buttons were misaligned and his wristwatch
strap was done up the wrong way round, so that
the watch face appeared upside down as he looked at it.
See how does the normal person make sense of that?
And they got dressed in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: A significant minority found themselves on at least one occasion,
locked out of their homes in the middle of the night,
wearing their night clothes, in some cases obliging them to
resort to forced entry into their own home. One adult
tea I know found himself in the garden and locked
out of the family home in the middle of the
night on two separate occasions when he was a child.
Speaker 1: Wow, and it goes on, Yeah, well clearly, yeah, clearly,
the tall Grays have not done a perfect the job
of genetically engineering the little grays. If they're making those
kinds of rudimentary mistakes, I think, yeah, I think I
think they're in need of an upgrade. Now, your bookends
with five words, and it says we may be out
of time. So this disclosure movement in Washington has you
know spent up what about you know?
Speaker 2: Two years now?
Speaker 1: You know, arguing about you know, a different word by logics,
all that sort of thing. But they mean it in
the way that David Grush testified about it in twenty
twenty three, that they are dead recovered tissue from crash
or trivial sites.
Speaker 2: And you use the.
Speaker 1: Same word to mean, you know, abductee scoop biopsies and implants.
Speaker 2: Are you frustrated at.
Speaker 1: All that the disclosure movement or whatever has co opted
the term to mean something letely different than what you know,
than what you actually document in this book, Well, I.
Speaker 3: Think, you know, if what my research for that past
fifteen years as borne out as that, you know, all
this stuff is real, and there too many people report
these things for it not to be real. And the evidence,
the physical, forensic scientific evidence is so strong if you
get things laboratory and analyzes, you know, which which I
have done on a number of occasions, which we you know,
we did we discussed earlier with the implants and the
hairs and so forth. So if it's real, it's going
to come out in the end, right it has to.
You know, you can't you can't hide something if it's
if it's continuing, what's changed about the phenomenon, just to
just to probably end on on this is the these
transgending beings who look exactly like humans but basically serving
the alien agenda because that you know, they're part of
the program. They are now have now replaced the gray
aliens in some abduction events completely. So aductees are taken
and dealt with only by these transgending beings who look
exactly like humans, and there's no gray aliens involved. And
I have to say that they that's not my experience,
but a number of abductees tell me that that is
what they what they're what they're going through. I had
a German adulteed contacts in me in London about fifteen
years ago, quite early on in this way, before I
wrote the book. She was she'd see me contributing to
a chat for him on the alien abduction subjects in
the early days and my interest in it, and she
reached out to me and we met up in London
and she was working in the finance industry and she said,
almost all her experiences are with what she turned the
human looking ones. You don't, she said, nobody talks about
the human looking ones. What about the human looking ones? Right?
So she actually she actually knew that they were the abducts,
this one and the same, but they just looked like us.
Speaker 2: I'm curious.
Speaker 1: So you've had David Grush testify in front of Congress
whistleblower David Grush, You've had others, and then you also
had this Schumor Rounds amendment called the UAP Disclosure Act
that was you know, completely tossed out. Now, of course
you have President Trump whose administration has released two batches
videos and PDFs and whatnot. You know, from where you're
sitting in Lincolnshire, is disclosure happening or do you think
it is stalled?
Speaker 3: Well? To be honest, none, none of my neighbors in
this village I care about it or how many concerns
that they don't watch that? I mean, it doesn't have
that much cover on the the UK media, you know,
like the you know, the newspapers aren't what they were
in terms of circulation numbers. Network television isn't watched by
as many people as it was, so you know, you
in the in there is infinitely fragmented, and people who
are interested in everything that's happening with disclosion files being
released go to the websites where they can find out
about that, and you know, listen to the talking heads
on the subject, and people who are not interested in
it can completely avoid it, you know, make themselves unaware
of it because they're not interested. So it's very difficult
to say, you know, whether disclosure is happening. And I
don't think what's been released so far from what I've seen,
is that difference to what's appeared in books about UFOs
for the past sixty years. I think, you know, the
objects being tracked by radar, flying around mility jets and
so forth, and diving in and out the ocean, these
have been reported in books about the subject for many
decades now. I've yet to see anything really astounding. Maybe
I've just missed it, because you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever missed the thing?
Speaker 1: I mean there in the second batch, there were a
few things that were definitely did not look did not
look prosaic. But as I was speaking with a whistle
blower recently, this whistleblower was aware of two videos that
this person said would completely settle the triangle debate. There
would be no if sands or but if sands or
butts about it. So Steve, if if.
Speaker 2: I were too based the legal u A P so So, Steve,
if I were to.
Speaker 1: Make a call with one of my with one of
my contacts in Washington, and this person had the authority
to declassify everything, and I flew you into town and said, Okay, Steve,
you have three minutes sitting across from this person.
Speaker 2: What would you tell them?
Speaker 3: I have to rid and think about it. The alien
abduction subjects is received less exposure than it deserves. It's
happening to millions of people, and it's a real thing,
and it's the most important thing about the UAP presence
because it's the thing that intrudes the intrudes in our
lives and human society at the deepest level. I know
it's scary, you know, but it's happening. Yeah, what do
you what are you going to do about? See? I
acknowledge that if they if the UAP phenomenon is acknowledged
officially in the United States, they will probably be replicated
by governments around the world. But you know, we're back
to the in curious thing. A lot of people are
definitively incurious about this, and some people will say, yeah,
I always knew that that was, so they always knew
they were hiding aliens. I always knew that those flying
sources were real, which is the title one of Donald
key House books in the nineteen fifties, flying sources are
real right way way back, you know, almost one hundred
years ago. So if they if you acknowledge that that
all these astounding tales of vessels diving into water and
coming out of the water, coming out of the ocean
and traveling at hundreds of miles an hour apparently underwater,
past nuclear submarines and so forth, which you know, reports
that those are very credible. If all this stuffers that
knowledge to be happening, then the next question millions of
people are going to ask you, is okay, what about abductions? Then?
Are they real or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's it's the natural, natural thing to
you know, for that just comes to real people.
Speaker 3: So again, if these things, if these if these flying sources,
if these were being visited from somewhere, if these are real,
what about the abduction thing that right millions of people
talk about, is that real or not? And yeah, that's
the obvious question it is, which will demand answers. Yeah
it is. And I and I can maybe maybe he's
ready to deal with that. Yeah officially, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: They're they're going to have to. I mean, it's it's
it's it's clearly happening.
Speaker 1: Uh Again, I firmly believe that is one of the
the core reasons for the cover up and the links
of of the really dirty things that our governments have done,
uh to keep this keep this thing, you know, out there.
Speaker 2: But but Steve, it's really been a pleasure having you out.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Steve, your book is out is the your
book is out of time, the Intergenerational Abduction program explored
from Grosvenor House.
Speaker 2: If I'm saying that right.
Speaker 3: Public Okay, it's an eccentric spelling.
Speaker 2: Grosvenek Grovnor House Publishing.
Speaker 1: And then you have your new book out with doctor
Andreas Luck Investigating the Impossible is out as well. How
How do folks find the find this book? It's not
on Amazon because of some sneaky stuff Amazon may have doted.
Speaker 3: Oh the the the Growth House publication is is sold
by Amazon. The ISBN numbers are from the twenty twenty
three edition. The second edition are completely different to the
and it's not published cut by Kindle Direct Publishing and
Amazons selling it amazingly. I mean, they sold the second
edition straight away. I don't know whether they just didn't
their their systems. It's probably because the ISBN numbers are
completely different. Maybe they recognize them as different products from
a different author. I don't know why. I can't explain that.
But the Amazon I've sold, you know, four thousand books
through Amazon dot com a copies amount of times from
Amazon dot com. So and you know, the new book
is doing really well only the markets and safe or second.
So you can get them all from Amazon, or you
can get them from Barnes and Noble, or you can
walk into a High Street bookstore and order them from
the High Street Books.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm super glad to hear that people can
get it at on Amazon.
Speaker 2: I thought that was not the case. So I'm very
very very happy that was finally solved.
Speaker 1: And let's let's not tell if you go on any
other podcast, don't mention the new ISBN number in case,
in case, what's his name the CEO of Amazon is watching.
Speaker 3: Well, just let's keep that on the down low, mister Bezos.
That's right, We've got well, I've got two websites. As well.
One is Out of Time book dot info and the
there is Investigating Impossible dot info. That that second website
is very informative and it is quite Yeah, it's quite
extensive and both can contain ordering details. Okay, links to
also order.
Speaker 2: It, Okay, Yeah, and we'll be sure to put those
links links in the YouTube description.
Speaker 1: Well, Steve, it's been an honor having you on the show.
This is definitely I would say at least a two
part interview will be breaking it up. There's there's just
such a wealth of information and uh, and I have
to just say thank you for your bravery in telling
your story and and uh, you know, and I think
in many ways people that are have wondered, hey, did
something happen to me? Or maybe it didn't. I think
that that hearing reading reading these books, hearing it from
someone like yourself, a serious researcher, people can go, you
know what, I wasn't I'm not crazy, this this did
happen to me. And there's uh, there's strength in numbers.
The uh this has happened to certainly millions of people.
There is zero doubt about that. But but again, thank
you very much for coming on the show and I hope,
I hope the weather cools off there.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's it's a little unbearable.
Speaker 3: It's midnight now, twelve midnight, all right, Well so it's
a little cooler.
Speaker 2: A little a little cooler. Well, well, well thanks for.
Speaker 3: Staying forward to thirty five degrees tomorrow. That's one hundred
and five fair nights. Boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it's much cooler here in southern California.
But I won't keep you up any later.
Speaker 2: I truly appreciate you coming on the show, and it
is a thank.
Speaker 3: You for inviting me on. It's been a great, great pleasure.
Speaker 1: Folks, if you just watched both parts of our conversation
with Steve Aspin, you already know that this isn't a
man asking you to take anything on faith. He took
this evidence in the laboratories, he put it in a book,
and that book was pulled off Amazon overnight in twenty
twenty three over most likely the forensic evidence in its appendices.
It's back now on Amazon, so you can find it there,
but you have to ask yourself why a book like
that gets erased. Read it and make up your own mind.
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