1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: This article was written by Nina Burley. Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,480 Epstein knew a lot of powerful men's secrets, from princes 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,039 to captains of industry and global political leaders, but he 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,599 protected his own behind teams of powerful lawyers who battled 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,280 up until his death last summer to keep the black 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,839 box of his sordid world sealed shut. Yeah, we've seen it, 7 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:23,800 tooth and nail. We've seen the way they battle to 8 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:27,960 keep this guy's information private even in death. And normally, 9 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:31,000 when someone dies, that's when all the beans are spilled, right, 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,039 all the information about that person becomes available, and the 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,119 vultures show up to the corpse to get some picking in. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,399 Not with Jeffrey Epstein, his secrets are even more protected, 13 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:44,600 it seems, in death. And that leads you to say 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,000 to yourself, all right, well, why is this guy different? 15 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:50,479 Why is he being so protected? Who is protecting him? 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,079 And I think we've established who is protecting him throughout 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,960 our three hundred and seventy episodes here on the podcast 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,119 and elsewhere. We understand that this is more than just 19 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:04,920 a trafficking ring. We understand that this man was being 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:11,400 protected by very, very, very powerful people. But he protected 21 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,239 his own behind teams of powerful lawyers who battled up 22 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:16,560 into his death last summer to keep the black box 23 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:19,680 of his sordid world sealed shut. He and his lawyers 24 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,439 presume they could mute powerless underage female sex abuse victims, 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,480 and they succeeded until Florida attorney Bradley J. Edwards got 26 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:30,079 involved in their case in two thousand and eight. And 27 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:32,840 like last night, we talked about how he paid off 28 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,959 the gal from last night who ended up dying from 29 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:41,280 a overdose, Leigh Patrick. She died of a heroin overdose 30 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:44,879 after dealing with Epstein and after Epstein paid her fifty 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,159 thousand dollars for her to keep quiet. So we know 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,159 that he was slanging around money forever to keep girls quiet. 33 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:56,120 And the question is how many of these girls ended 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,000 up with the same the same fate as Lee Patrick. 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,439 How many of these girls ended up in, you know, 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,280 a drug induced world of addiction because of the abuse 37 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:12,039 they suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his associates. 38 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:20,840 Edwards got involved in their case in two thousand and eight. 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,120 Edwards eventually represented twenty of the women in a lawsuit 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,960 against the government for its two thousand and seven sweetheart 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,479 deal with Epstein, a deal obtained in spite of overwhelming 42 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:33,840 evidence that Epstein was engaged in a systematic sex abuse 43 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:38,479 and human trafficking ring. Yeah, that's spot onhing, there's nothing 44 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:41,759 to add there. That's exactly what occurred. We know how 45 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,240 devious the prosecution was in this case. We know that 46 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:46,599 they missed the boat. We know that they missed the mark. 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,319 We know that they helped the defense in defaming these gals. 48 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,240 We know that. The question is why doesn't the public 49 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:00,199 know that? Yet? Palm Beach, Florida police had evidence from 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,080 dozens of teenage girls at Epstein preyed upon young poor women, 51 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,560 grooming them to participate in sex act with him and 52 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:11,879 other men. But Epstein's fleet of pricy lawyers, including Harvard 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,159 law professor Alan Dershowitz and former Clinton special prosecutor Kenneth 54 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:20,560 Starr wheedled a negotiated plea. Wheedled a negotiated plea ad 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,280 of the justice system in which Epstein got less than 56 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:25,680 a year of local jail time and was allowed to 57 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:29,759 work from his Palm Beach mansion during the day. Yeah, 58 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:32,960 because that's normal, right, that's normal behavior. That's what happens 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,000 to normal people. They get involved in a sex trafficking ring, 60 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:40,759 leadership position, their abusing girls or raping girls, and you know, 61 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:43,000 they only get a thirteen month stay where they don't 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,319 even have to be in the jail. They have a 63 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,879 wing to themselves, the doors open so they have access 64 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:49,280 to the lawyer room whenever they want. That part for 65 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,159 the course, for normal people, I mean, are you kidding 66 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,800 me right now? How is this even possible? How is 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,280 this able to occur when it was occurring? Where were 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,080 all the city council people? Where were all the prosecutor, 69 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,879 Where was the mayor, Where was the governor? Where was anybody? 70 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:07,919 For God's sakes, Edward's lawsuit and other pressure on the 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,000 Department of Justice, including a scathing expos in the Miami Herald, 72 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,040 ultimately led to a new investigation and Epstein's arrest as 73 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,439 he stepped off his private jet out of New Jersey 74 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:23,279 Airport tarmac last year. And that's another thing that bothers me. 75 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:26,279 When he got arrested. Why wasn't he purp walked? You 76 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,519 see all these other people. Look at Harvey Weinstein getting 77 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:31,120 the purp walk, Look at Bill Cosby getting the purp walk. 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,720 But not Jeffrey Epstein. Why were they still giving him 79 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,600 special treatment after he was arrested? Why didn't he get 80 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,560 purp walked. Why wasn't CNN waiting for him there? Why 81 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,600 wasn't all the major outlets waiting at the airport to 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,160 see him get arrested, etc. Etc. Ask yourselves, why did 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,839 Jeffrey Epstein deserve so much special treatment from the government? 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,720 What could possibly motivate them to protect him in this way. 85 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,879 In his new book about the saga, Relentless Pursuit, My 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,079 Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein, Edwards, co written 87 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,480 with trial lawyer Britney Henderson, shares insights into Epstein's psychology, 88 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,079 strategies and vast networks of enablers, from lawyers like Dershowitz 89 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,279 to his alleged procure co conspirator Gilaine Maxwell. Maxwell has 90 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:24,319 denied any wrongdoing. Oh, of course she has. We know that. 91 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,959 We know that Gilaine is never gonna come out and 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,040 say that she was involved. She will have to She's 93 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,399 gonna have to be compelled to testify. She's gonna have 94 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,319 to be compelled to come forward. Because a person like this, 95 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,560 forget about it, There's zero chance she's going to incriminate herself. 96 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,399 There's zero chance she's going to do anything that might 97 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:44,560 cause her to end up in jail, So she's going 98 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,120 to have to be actively searched out and actively prosecuted. 99 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Edwards talked to Rolling Stone from his office in Palm 100 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,000 Beach about why I believes Epstein killed himself in jail, 101 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:01,079 where Gilainne Maxwell is, whether the investigation continues and will 102 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,680 reveal any more famous men's names and rumors that Epstein 103 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:09,040 and Maxwell worked for US or Israeli intelligence. Well, when 104 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,399 it comes to the intelligence aspect, you folks all know 105 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,680 exactly where I'm at with that. Some people believe it 106 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,160 was just a Masad run operation, and okay, that's cool. Fine, 107 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:20,439 if you want to believe that, that's all right. But in 108 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:25,000 my opinion, dealing with intelligence and knowing how this sort 109 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,759 of thing works, it's obvious that the CIA was the 110 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:33,360 big brother here. It's obvious that the Masad, their involvement, 111 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,720 everything ran through the CIA. There is no way they 112 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,199 could have set this up in the United States without 113 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:41,360 the CIA being involved and without the CIA giving them 114 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:43,959 the nod of approval. At the end of the day, 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,040 the CIA wants to want this information as well. They're 116 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:50,680 information brokers. So if they have dossier's on all of 117 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,639 these famous people, which of course they would have access 118 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,399 to if they gave the nod to the Massad to 119 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,920 run the operation, well then they control these people. And 120 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:04,480 we know that to intelligence agencies, information is the most 121 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,199 important currency. So if you understand how the CIA works 122 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,360 in an overarching way, and you understand how these operations 123 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,399 are put into place, then you see how the big 124 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,600 picture starts to unfold, and you see that the Masad, 125 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,040 while obviously a very potent intelligence service on their own, 126 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,319 really is the little brother of the CIA, just like 127 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,839 the five eyes of intelligence around the world. The CIA 128 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,360 is the big brother. The CIA is the head hauncho, 129 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:38,000 and the spooks who work for the CIA are the 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,160 ones who are overseeing stuff like this. If it's happening 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,600 in America, one hundred percent, without a doubt, there's zero 132 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:48,079 chance something like this was going on under their noses 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,120 without them knowing. So again there's a lot of people 134 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,680 that want to just say that it was the Masad, 135 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:56,759 and I agree that the Massad had their role, of course, 136 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,120 because we know Gilene Maxwell's connection to the Massad. We 137 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:07,480 know that her father was heavily connected to Israeli military intelligence, 138 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,360 So we know that the Massad angle definitely hunts. That's 139 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:15,160 definitely something that one hundred percent. This has all the 140 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,319 hallmarks of a Massad operation. But I think a lot 141 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,639 of people are missing the point when it comes to 142 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,000 the CIA and how involved the CIA is with the Massad, 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,879 and especially when it comes to an operation being run 144 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,879 on American soil. I think it's naive at best to 145 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:34,200 think the CIA had no involvement. Over the decade of 146 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,360 depositions and discussions, you got to know Epstein as well 147 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:40,399 as anyone. Can you describe his personality in a couple 148 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,840 of sentences. He was always trying to take advantage of 149 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:47,159 everyone and willing to engage in whatever tactic he tactic 150 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:50,600 could advantage him to manipulate everyone around him in order 151 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,000 to maintain power. And yet we know that he was 152 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:57,480 a narcissist. We know that his ego was the size 153 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:00,559 of the earth, and we know that that he used 154 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,080 intimidation and other tactics to make sure that he was 155 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,480 always in the position of dominance, and he performed all 156 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:14,720 of his duties like that, from financials to procurement and 157 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:18,120 abuse of girls. It was all about power with Jeffrey Epstein, 158 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,519 and you see it in cases like this a lot 159 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,279 of times. It's all about power and being able to 160 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,039 exert that power over the powerless. And that's definitely the 161 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,519 kind of person Jeffrey Epstein was, and that sort of 162 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,919 disgusting proclivity was harnessed by the people who were just 163 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,720 as bad above him that were running this operation. In 164 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:43,200 my opinion, does that make him kind of a sociopath? 165 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,960 Is there like a pathology there? Well, I'm not a psychologist, 166 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,480 but this one I think is the easiest sociopath to identify. 167 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,639 There is nobody who knew him who believes he operated 168 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,879 with a conscience at all. He clearly only cared about himself, 169 00:09:57,039 --> 00:09:59,559 and he was constantly trying to make everyone believe he 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,759 cared only about everyone else. He is the definition of 171 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:06,039 a sociopath. Yeah, I've stated this as well. Look, Jeffrey 172 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:09,320 Epstein was all about himself. He had this huge inflated 173 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,279 idea about who he was, how smart he was, and 174 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,679 his impact on the world, when in reality we all 175 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,720 understand that he truly didn't have any impact on the world. 176 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:20,399 He was a guy with a lot of money and 177 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,519 political connections, and he was able to be manipulated and 178 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,519 used by these intelligence agencies. And it's ironic, right when 179 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:32,480 all was said and done and they were finished with 180 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,559 Jeffrey Epstein, he was discarded like the same way he 181 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:41,320 discarded these girls. So it's it's fitting for him to 182 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,440 come to an end the way he did. He dies 183 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,960 in jail, and it's ruled a suicide. A lot of 184 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,879 people think he didn't kill himself. Why do you believe 185 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:53,759 that he did? Yeah, no doubt. In my mind, his 186 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,840 entire being was predicated on being the king and being 187 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:00,320 in power and having control over everyone and everything at 188 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,960 all times. Here is a guy who was a sex 189 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,600 addict and of a particular type. He only engaged in 190 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,879 sex acts with vulnerable people that he could control. The 191 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:12,919 control and power was much more important to him than 192 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,840 the sex. One hundred percent. That's definitely spot on. I 193 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:19,840 definitely agree with that. Jeffrey Epstein was all about power, 194 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,879 control and exerting that power. Of course, the sex was 195 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:26,840 important to him, because you know it was he got 196 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,600 off by it, obviously, but the whole entire lead up 197 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,639 to lead up to it, and the whole entire exertion 198 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:36,279 of power over these these survivors. That's what really got 199 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,799 him going. That's what really got Jeffrey Epstein off. And 200 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:46,679 whether the vulnerabilities that he was praying on was the 201 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,799 young age of the victim, or the financial situation, or 202 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:52,200 even the dancers and models of New York City who 203 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,919 had a dream and he could give them promises and 204 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,399 then puppeteer the situation and manipulate them. It was being 205 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,480 able to control all of these people and using sex 206 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:06,080 to demean them, degrade them, humiliate them, and further control them. 207 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:10,279 Definitely all the aspects of a sex cult, right. Jeffrey 208 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,159 Epstein was the guru, and he had a certain blueprint 209 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,279 for how he would groom these girls to be involved 210 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,159 in his trafficking operation. And it would move on from 211 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,799 the procurement stage to the grooming stage, and then to 212 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:29,919 the conversion stage. And Jeffrey Epstein had it down to 213 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,759 a t. And like Bradley Edwards is saying here, it 214 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:36,679 was all about power. It was all about power to him. 215 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,799 In addition, he had all of these employees that he 216 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,559 controlled with his money and he basically wrote them into 217 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,120 his cult of recruiting other vulnerable people. For him to 218 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,279 manipulate through sex. Lastly, he doesn't care about any of 219 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,879 these people, but he has these powerful people that are 220 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:57,080 either well known scientists, other world leaders, businessmen, people that 221 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:01,519 are respected in society, the world's most expected people, and 222 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,600 through his money and his other connections, he's able to 223 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:07,559 control those people too. Well. I'd like to add to that. 224 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,399 I believe the blackmail operation played a huge part in 225 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,000 that as well. When you have dossier's on people and 226 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,360 you have information that they were having sexual relations with 227 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:20,519 underage girls, boy, that is the kind of thing that 228 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,200 really destroys somebody. People can live through an affair, right, Oh, 229 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,840 you had an affair on your wife. He stepped out 230 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,039 on your wife. Kind of a scummy move, buddy, But 231 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,320 all right, comes to this something like this, there's no 232 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,919 coming back from this. So the ultimate form of control 233 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,759 is information, and Jeffrey Epstein had that in spades. When 234 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:43,240 he gets arrested, his entire life is taken from him. 235 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,960 He's no longer sitting on a jet living the life 236 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,879 of a billionaire that is engaging in these sex acts 237 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,919 three or four times a day. In fact, he goes 238 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:55,360 from that over indulgence of sex to no sex. Once 239 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,600 his bond is denied, his employees no longer fear him. 240 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:01,960 He can't control them any weren't. All of his powerful 241 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,879 associates and associations begin turning on him, whether it's Less 242 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:10,279 Wexner or President Trump or Bill Clinton. Everybody starts distancing 243 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,720 themselves and saying how terrible a guy he was. That 244 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:17,919 part of his world caved into That's for sure. I've 245 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:20,399 said this from the beginning. After the second arrest, he 246 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,840 was discarded as trash by his people. All the powerful 247 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:27,919 people that protected him, the people that were running him 248 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,759 as an asset less Wexner, all of them abandoned him 249 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:35,799 and left Jeffrey Epstein left hold in the bag. Right, 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,279 You're no longer getting this protection. And Epstein went from 251 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,240 having the ultimate amount of political protection to having nothing. 252 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,360 He went from somebody who had absolute control over literally 253 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,360 everybody and everything at all times to having no control whatsoever. 254 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:54,960 And that was not a life that he was ever 255 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,320 going to live. The only thing he had left to 256 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,919 control was himself. He was not going to be one 257 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,559 on the other end of being controlled and powerless, So 258 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,799 he took his own life. Well, look, that's definitely a 259 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:12,200 plausible outline right there, right. Unfortunately, I can't believe that 260 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,919 he killed himself until I see the evidence at this point, 261 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,200 because all the coincidence that led up to his suicide, 262 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,600 it's just they're just way too many coincidences for me 263 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,879 to believe. Now. Again, like I've said, if I see 264 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:27,159 the evidence that points to him killing himself, I'm more 265 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,840 than while willing to accept that. Right. Whatever the facts 266 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,919 are in the case, I'm willing to accept. But there's 267 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,720 just way too many coincidences right now for me to 268 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,159 accept that. I actually need to see the same video 269 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:42,639 that Bar saw, that bar scene that he said showed 270 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,639 him that Epstein did not take that Epstein did take 271 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,000 his own life. And until I see that footage, it's 272 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:49,639 going to take a whole hell of a lot of 273 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:53,080 evidence to prove to me that Jeffrey Epstein did in 274 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:59,879 fact kill himself. You said, once bond was denied, employ 275 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,399 he's no longer feared him. Did you know him to 276 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,759 be violent or what was the fear factor? Jeffrey Epstein 277 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,279 would weave into all of his conversations with me an 278 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,039 element of fear. He would tell me, you know, Brad, 279 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,559 you should stop prosecuting me. Or else, somebody is going 280 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,480 to get hurt. He would do it in a way 281 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:19,480 that wasn't overtly intimidating. But there were only two people 282 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,639 in the room. He was saying, I was going to 283 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,519 get hurt. Yeah. Epstein and his people they worked in 284 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:28,200 the world of threats, right, They were willing to make 285 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,159 these these kinds of threats and then they would follow 286 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,480 through on them. They had access to a lot of 287 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,759 powerful people, a lot of people in the world of intelligence, 288 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,480 a lot of people that could really cause you a 289 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,759 lot of grief. And Epstein was not scared to flaunt 290 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:45,480 that power, and he was not scared to intimidate that 291 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:50,559 to intimidate people with his connections. Through talking with many 292 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,039 of my clients, many of them, he would make clear 293 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,000 how powerful he was, that he had friends in high places, 294 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:58,799 and would often weave in how some of his powerful 295 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,519 friends had done bad things to people, how he can 296 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:04,599 make people lose their jobs, lose their careers, and cause 297 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,119 anyone who crossed him to suffer consequences. That was part 298 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,039 of his natural way of dealing with everyone. There wasn't 299 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,519 a single person that was ever around him that I 300 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:18,000 have ever encountered who didn't leave the interaction in extraordinary fear, thinking, 301 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,279 this is the last person on the universe that I 302 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,279 want to cross, and it's crazy for me to think 303 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,240 about that. I look at Jeffrey Epstein and I see 304 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,039 this big dork, right, this big nerdy ass dork, and 305 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,119 it's so foreign for me to think that people could 306 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,519 be intimidated by him. But then you start to think 307 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:38,640 about the people he rolls with, the people he's involved with, 308 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,079 the money he has the access to ex intelligence agents 309 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,799 or current intelligence agents even and the picture becomes more grim. Right, 310 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,960 you start to understand that you're not just dealing with 311 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,880 Epstein or his trafficking ring, but you're dealing with his 312 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:59,400 gigantic bankroll and the serious people that he can hire 313 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,720 with that money. And would that include the very powerful people? 314 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Didn't he collect videotape of powerful men in compromised positions? Well, 315 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,480 I think that's always the suspicion, right, I don't know 316 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,279 that there's ever been confirmation that he's kept any video 317 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,319 of any powerful people doing any improper things in his home. 318 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:23,119 I never came across any videotapes, for instance, of that happening. 319 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,519 I think that he would allude to it sometimes too. 320 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,519 But whether that was true or whether he was creating 321 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:31,200 that illusion to kind of bolster his prominence, I really 322 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,759 don't know. I think that you know, Brett Brat Edwards 323 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,519 isn't shooting from the hip, folks. He's being very very 324 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:42,359 straightforward here. He isn't using any kind of speculation. He's 325 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,200 only talking about what he knows. And I think it's 326 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,880 important when it goes to establish his credibility that he's 327 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,079 not firing off all kinds of crazy, weird conspiracy theories 328 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,400 or anything like that. He's sticking right to the facts 329 00:18:54,440 --> 00:19:00,240 and what he knows. I think that it's very very 330 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:02,720 fair to say all the powerful people knew that he 331 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,759 was well connected and was not beneath using whatever information 332 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:08,920 he had to embarrass others or compromise them or put 333 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,880 them into a compromise situation. And you see he right here, 334 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:18,640 Bradley Edwards says straight up that Epstein wasn't above these moves. 335 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,240 But again, Epstein was shrewd. He was very very capable 336 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,720 of hiding what he was up to. And we have 337 00:19:24,759 --> 00:19:27,319 to always remember, folks, it's not what we know, it's 338 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,519 what we can prove. We can speculate about what we know, 339 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,400 and we can talk about it, and we can try 340 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,039 and find the evidence for it, but until we can 341 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,319 prove it in a court of law, we have to 342 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:45,319 keep grinding. I think that it's very fair to say 343 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,240 all of the powerful people knew that he was well 344 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,400 connected and was not beneath using whatever information he had 345 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,440 to embarrass others or compromise them, or put them into 346 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,480 a compromise situation. Where is Gilenn Maxwell, to the best 347 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,039 of your knowledge, and what is she up to? I 348 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:01,880 don't know where Gaylaine is, but I know that she 349 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,960 recently filed that lawsuit against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein 350 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:07,640 in the Virgin Islands, asking for the estate to pay 351 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,200 her attorney fees in part so that she could remain 352 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 in hiding. I think, by her own admission, she's hiding. 353 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,799 Where she's hiding, I don't know. Yeah, I don't really 354 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:17,319 have much to add to that either. I have no 355 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,319 inside information on Elaine Maxwell. I don't know where she's hiding, 356 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,400 right I wish I did. I'd call the FBI, that's 357 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,880 for sure. I wouldn't be talking about you know, Oh, 358 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,319 I have inside information about g Laane. Follow me and 359 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,240 I'll tell you about it, and I no, No. The 360 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:34,279 second I get information, I disseminate it right away. The 361 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,640 second I get it, after I vet it, make sure 362 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,160 it's legit, we talk about it on the podcast, and 363 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,720 I believe that that's important. I believe that's important if 364 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,960 you're being if you're credible, and you wanna, you know, 365 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,799 if you want to set the tone right as somebody 366 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:50,359 who's reporting the case. This case is it's not about me. 367 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,240 It's not about enriching myself. It's not about money. Believe me. 368 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,200 If it was about money, I certainly wouldn't be here 369 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,599 with you guys every single day like this, especially with 370 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,039 the way AD revenue is collapsing right now. But that's 371 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,160 never been my motivation here. My motivation has always been 372 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,000 from the standpoint of an investigative journalist and a concerned citizen, 373 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:14,720 somebody who has just had enough of all the deception, 374 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,680 all the bs going on at the very high levels 375 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,160 of government. And then you see something like this come 376 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,599 across your desk, You see this sort of case pop up, 377 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,000 and boy, oh boy, let me tell you what did 378 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,440 it fire me up? Did it motivate me? And as 379 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:31,599 the case is unfolded, I've just been more motivated each 380 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:34,400 and every single day. You know this is I've been 381 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,079 here now one hundred and seventy seven straight days. Folks 382 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:41,160 reporting on this case every single day haven't missed one, 383 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,480 And I believe that's important because as we follow the case, 384 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,319 there's so many twists and turns that unless you're reporting 385 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,720 on it and in long form information like a podcast 386 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,759 or a YouTube video, it's very hard to follow this case. 387 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:59,759 Do you believe there is an active FBI investigation into 388 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:03,640 math I believe that it's still an active, ongoing investigation. 389 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:06,960 The prosecutors in New York have done an exemplary job, 390 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,720 but are really hamstrung by the way the government treated 391 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,960 Jeffrey Epstein the first time. I want to believe that, right. 392 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,200 I want to believe that the prosecution is really going 393 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,960 hard in the paint. And you have to think as 394 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,680 the defense, as the lawyer for the gals, that you're 395 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,279 not gonna want to poke the prosecution, right. You want 396 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:31,160 to make sure that you're not speaking out of the pocket. 397 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,480 So it's smart for Bradley Edwards to take this approach here. 398 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,279 I don't disagree with him for taking this approach at all, 399 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,160 but as somebody on the outside looking in. I can 400 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,839 tell you that I don't believe the prosecution is doing enough. 401 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,799 I believe that they're dragging their feet, and I'd love 402 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:50,160 to see some more action out of them. What do 403 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,559 you make of the rumors that Maxwell and Epstein work 404 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,720 for some intelligence agency. I did encounter at least one 405 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,960 witness that gave me very believable, credible information that was startling, 406 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,559 that gave me the clear impression that Jeffrey Epstein at 407 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,359 least had direct contacts through intelligence agencies, and that struck 408 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,279 me as true. Wow, there you go, Bradley Edwards telling 409 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:14,559 you right there. Look again. It's one thing when journalists 410 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,279 tell you. It's another thing when Bradley Edwards himself comes 411 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,599 out and says he believes that that dog hunts, that 412 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,799 he believes there's something there. And you know how I 413 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,839 feel about the intelligence angle in this case, one hundred percent, 414 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,680 one hundred percent. They're the only people powerful enough to 415 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,240 protect Epstein the way they had. They're the only people 416 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:35,359 powerful enough to get them that kind of sweetheart deal 417 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,319 in this country. Who else do you think wields that 418 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,359 kind of power? Man, Only the CIA, the NSA, the NIA, 419 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:48,839 places like that. No other organizations have this kind of power, folks. 420 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,039 I didn't think that the witness had any motivation to 421 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,920 make that up. And I've had conversations with Epstein about 422 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,759 the fact that at some point point in time he 423 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,799 was working with the government, with the US government to 424 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,599 recover money that the government had been defrauded, and that 425 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,319 he was like a financial bounty hunter. That's something that 426 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,319 he told me personally. So you see it all come together, right, 427 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,960 Jeffrey Epstein, the CIA, you already had connections. Enter Glaane Maxwell, 428 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:21,160 that's the masade angle. Put them both together, and boy, 429 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,839 oh boy, do you have yourselves a honeytrap? Do you 430 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,960 have yourselves quite the intricate blackmail operation. When you look 431 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,599 at the allegations that Gilaine's father, Robert Maxwell, was associated 432 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,599 with intelligence agencies, and it's right after his death that 433 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Gelaane meets Jeffrey Epstein, it would seem irresponsible to ignore 434 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,119 all of those signs that seemed to point to one 435 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:48,119 or both of them having contacts with intelligence agencies, whether 436 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,319 they're associated or not, one hundred percent just got to 437 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:56,319 follow the evidence, right, follow the breadcrumbs. And again, it's 438 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,480 not about what we know, but what we can prove, 439 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,079 So we have to just keep it, keep pounding this 440 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,039 point away, keep searching for evidence, and eventually something's gonna pop. 441 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,559 Which countries intelligence agencies It only looks to me like 442 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:14,079 the United States and Israel one hundred percent. Again, folks, 443 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,119 this is what I've been telling you from the very beginning, 444 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,319 before I had access to any of this. And for me, 445 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,559 it was obvious that there was a Masad angle because 446 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,400 of the way the operation was being run. And for 447 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,599 those of you who know me personally, or for those 448 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,039 of you who have been listening for a while, you 449 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,160 know that my main appetite is Neary's policy the Middle East. 450 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,400 So I'm very familiar with the way the Masade operates, 451 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,599 I'm very familiar with the way they conduct themselves, and 452 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,480 I'm very familiar with the sort of operations they run. 453 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,680 But I knew that they were never gonna be able 454 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,440 to run that sort of operation on American soil where 455 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880 they were working as a tag team. Right, the Masad 456 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,240 and the CIA, they always work hand in hand, so 457 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,000 it would be it would be negligent to believe that 458 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:01,240 they weren't working hand in hand when it came to this. 459 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,119 Do you think Maxwell and Epstein were running some kind 460 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,839 of blackmail factory. Jeffrey Epstein had to be an absolute 461 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,480 control of everything, so he had to know what everybody 462 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,240 around him is doing at all times. So did he 463 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,519 surveil all of the main females in his life? Absolutely? 464 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,079 Did he have their passwords to get into their emails? 465 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,039 I would have no doubt whatsoever. Did he have surveillance 466 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,559 cameras set up at every aspect of his property that 467 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,559 he also monitored when he needed to. Absolutely everything he 468 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,759 could do so that he could know what all of 469 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,400 the people around him were doing at all times, he 470 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,799 did that. He really did micro manage this big chessboard 471 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,079 of people, and it was only so he could use 472 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,200 anything that he could learn against them to further cause 473 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,319 them to feel indebted to him and manipulate them for 474 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,480 his own selfish purpose. Everything that he did revolved around control. Wow, 475 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,359 bang bing boom right out of the park with that one. 476 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,559 It's all about control with these people, All of these 477 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:04,920 people about his control power and enriching themselves. Not in 478 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,400 that specific order either, but those are the things that 479 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,640 they care about. And Jeffrey Epstein was no different. The 480 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,839 FBI seesed a lot of evidence from Epstein's safe in Manhattan, 481 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,400 including fake passports and diamonds. What other materials were taken 482 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,079 from his properties and will we ever see it? In 483 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,920 two thousand and eight, Jeffrey Epstein was first caught, and 484 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,880 I think that he destroyed a lot of the tapes 485 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,000 and other evidence. Then from twenty ten through the time 486 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,720 he was arrested in twenty nineteen, he started accumulating other 487 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,599 naked photographs of females that he had taken, either by 488 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,799 himself or by g Laane, and he kept those as trophies. 489 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,920 That's important. Remember I talked about serial killers and how 490 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,279 they kept trophies and how it was very similar to Epstein. 491 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,079 Right here, Bradley Edwards says it as well. And I 492 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480 knew for a fact that he shared a lot of 493 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,000 traits with serial killers, because you know, it's another thing 494 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,440 that I like to research, right I definitely I find 495 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,319 it intriguing to read about that sort of thing. I 496 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,240 think it's fascinating to read cases of house hero called 497 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,759 killers were caught and their psychology, etc. Et cetera. And 498 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,039 Epstein shared a lot of similarities with them. I think 499 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,880 there are surveillance videos that were also kept as trophies, 500 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,200 and that a lot of that, if not all of it, 501 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,799 was confiscated in the raid of his New York mansion. 502 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,480 I think that the FBI has all of his trophies 503 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,400 of young females that he accumulated after the two thousand 504 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,359 and nine twenty ten period. So they have all of 505 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,359 this evidence and no arrests. Huh. Interesting. In a defamation 506 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,960 case filed by one of the survivors, Virginia Roberts, against 507 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,319 Elane Maxwell for calling her a liar, the court publicly 508 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:50,559 released hundreds of pages of documents the day before Epstein 509 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,000 died with new allegations involving Energy Secretary Bill Richardson and 510 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,839 Senator George Mitchell, for example. Many other famous men are 511 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,359 believed to be battling in right now to keep the 512 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,240 rest of those documents redacted or sealed. How many more 513 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,359 big names are in the Epstein case and still held confidentially. 514 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,119 I do think that there is a need for everyone 515 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000 to be careful with this, because just because somebody's name 516 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,319 is mentioned doesn't mean they did anything wrong. I've said 517 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,279 that a lot of times here as well. We have 518 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,279 to be very careful, right, We have to be very 519 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,519 careful who we put on blast. We have to be 520 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,000 very careful how we classify these people. Now, I'll never 521 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,880 shy away from calling somebody an enabler. People that were 522 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,559 around Epstein, people that knew him, people that really knew him, 523 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,799 that were hanging out with him, that turned the other cheek, 524 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,799 those are enablers, and I'll call him that right away. 525 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,200 But you have to be very careful about who you 526 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,640 put involved in the ring. And that's why I stick 527 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,920 to the people that Virginia Roberts has mentioned. Until we 528 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 have evidence pointing somewhere else. I'm not going to deviate 529 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,319 from the facts in this case. I'm not going to obfuscate. 530 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,480 I'm not going to put out disinformation. And I see 531 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,400 that that Bradley Edwards takes that same route, and that 532 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000 gives me gives me a little bit more faith in 533 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,519 the process. I've chosen here because I want to make 534 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,400 sure that this podcast is as factual and as truthful 535 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,759 as possible, because it's the most important part, right that 536 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:18,240 we're going off of right information, real information, and real evidence. 537 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,119 This isn't a fishing expedition. It doesn't need to be. 538 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,359 There is plenty of real life evidence here in this 539 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,200 case to follow. But because of the public belief in 540 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880 the terms of who Jeffrey Epstein is, there is the 541 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,039 natural inclination to assume somebody is guilty by just mere association. 542 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,839 Having been the lawyer in the case, I understand both sides. 543 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,319 I think it would be best if everything was released 544 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,599 and people could see it for what it is. I 545 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,799 really don't know how many other names or how many 546 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,160 other documents are going to come out, but I think 547 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400 the balancing test is tough, and I agree with that. 548 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,079 Right just because you're named in the files doesn't mean 549 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:58,799 you were involved. You might be a witness, you might 550 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,000 be a material witness, etc. That's why it's important for 551 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,640 these documents to come out, so it ends all of 552 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880 the guest work, so people can really look at the 553 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,240 documents and say, all right, this person, this person, this 554 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:13,599 person directly implicated, these people enablers, and these other people 555 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,160 material witnesses, or however it might unfold. But it's important 556 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,000 to get those documents out so it's no longer speculation 557 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,319 and then it becomes a matter of record. Do you 558 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,279 think the survivors got justice? The day that he was 559 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,799 arrested was a day after a decade long, constant, grueling battle, 560 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,240 and they felt some sense of justice at that time, 561 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:39,240 there was some closure Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein's last robbery 562 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,079 of his survivors was to take his own life, so 563 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,400 that all they had achieved by finally getting him in 564 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440 custody was once again stolen from them. Look, whether he 565 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,079 killed himself or he was murdered, whatever it may be, 566 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,480 the fact is he's not wrong about what he's saying here. 567 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,440 Justice was snatched from these survivors once again by him dying. 568 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,079 Having watched this whole thing play out, How can the 569 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,039 public be share of prosecutors don't do these sweetheart deals 570 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,599 for rich predators in the future. Through our case, we 571 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,839 shed light on the illegal deal that was created for 572 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,319 Jeffrey Epstein, which will make it nearly impossible for them 573 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,799 to replicate. And we've increased the rights of victims under 574 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720 a Crime Victim Rights Act through the case, which will 575 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,359 make it much more difficult for this to be replicated. 576 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,160 So if we've accomplished anything, it is shedding light on 577 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,359 this unbelievable injustice that happened so that it's not replicated 578 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,279 again for sure. And that's why it's important that there 579 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,039 is independent content creators that are coming out reporting on 580 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,759 this case because going forward, we can never let this 581 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,319 happen again. We can never ever ever let this happen again. 582 00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,000 I know that I'm going to be much more aware 583 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,480 going forward after this case about this sort of thing 584 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,559 happening at the very top of society, because it's been 585 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,079 proven that these people in general are sick and they 586 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,160 don't care about the rest of us. Just look at 587 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200 the way they conduct themselves with their endless wars, running 588 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,279 away to their mansions and their compounds while people are dying. 589 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,640 You know, one person dying every four minutes in New 590 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,000 York right now, whatever it may be. So you know, 591 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,160 these people don't care about us. They don't give a 592 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,559 damn about us. So we have to make sure that 593 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,880 we're very aware of the people we elect. We have 594 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,200 to make sure we're very aware of what they're doing 595 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,680 once they're in office. And we have to be even 596 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,640 more aware of the unelected bureaucrats that infest these intelligence communities, 597 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,920 these intelligence agencies, because these people are really the problem 598 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480 in my opinion, these are the people that are behind 599 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,279 the shadows. They have no names, and they're involved with 600 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,319 people like Jeffrey Epstein all around the world. Well, I'm 601 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,440 here to tell you enough is enough. Like JFK said, 602 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,400 the CIA should be scattered to the Four Wins.