Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show at Martin willis your host,
Speaker 1: and to have a great guest this evening, Christy Newton.
Speaker 1: She was on once before. She's come a long way.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of amazing things, a lot of
Speaker 1: great work over at the Debrief, and she also does
Speaker 1: a great podcast, interviews a lot of very interesting people.
Speaker 1: So it's a pleasure to have her on. So for
Speaker 1: those of you who followed this as a YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: you'll know that I was at the press conference today
Speaker 1: at the National Press Club. I'm currently in Washington, DC
Speaker 1: from a hotel room right now, but so check that
Speaker 1: out if you haven't seen it. It was supposed to
Speaker 1: be two sessions and it kind of morphed into one,
Speaker 1: so it's just one session up there. It's over three
Speaker 1: hours long. Check it out on our you tube channel.
Speaker 1: I was right up front. I had everything. There was
Speaker 1: only one glitch and it was my fault because when
Speaker 1: I got there, I realized they didn't have any internet,
Speaker 1: any Wi Fi that you could use, and so I
Speaker 1: was using my phone and I was sitting next to
Speaker 1: Sarah Graham, She's such a pleasure, and I said, Sarah,
Speaker 1: hold my laptop here. I have to use the restroom.
Speaker 1: So I walked in the restroom with my phone in
Speaker 1: my pocket and the whole thing crashed for the whole time.
Speaker 1: I came running back and I got this thing back together.
Speaker 1: But anyway, check it out over there on the YouTube
Speaker 1: and I will put that, I do believe sometime on Thursday,
Speaker 1: i'll put the audio. Going to work on the audio
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'll get that into the podcast feed.
Speaker 1: So our blog this week from Charles Lear is another
Speaker 1: great and interesting one and it's just the timing is
Speaker 1: pretty quite amazing on this blog here because Charles was
Speaker 1: writing this before Eric Londanakin passed away and this came
Speaker 1: out and it's all about a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know this, but when Eric was writing this book, he
Speaker 1: was in bad trouble and the book basically bailed him
Speaker 1: out and changed his whole life. This is the Chariots
Speaker 1: of God and the story is all about that. It's
Speaker 1: quite interesting really, But we lost him recently. He was
Speaker 1: a guest on the show a couple of times. Very
Speaker 1: interesting and fun character. So check out the blog from
Speaker 1: Charles Lear, and I want to thank everyone that helps
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Speaker 1: bringing see into the show. Christy. Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2: Good to see you too, Martin.
Speaker 1: Always always fun to talk to you, and you have
Speaker 1: I believe you and I I want to say you
Speaker 1: and I first met through your your publicist company.
Speaker 2: You yeah, through vo.
Speaker 1: I remember it was I can't remember. It was someone's
Speaker 1: movie or film or something like that, and that's how
Speaker 1: we first met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been. I've done PR.
Speaker 3: I've been lucky enough to do PR with Jack La
Speaker 3: and then along with Aero Phenomenon, I did all the
Speaker 3: PR with Randall Nickerson on that film, and so I'm
Speaker 3: and my one of my cannon favorite films that I
Speaker 3: always recommend to everybody to watch.
Speaker 1: There's like you two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's it's usually I say, just watched
Speaker 3: that one first.
Speaker 2: That's what I tell you it's such.
Speaker 1: First of all, rand I love Randall. He's he's been
Speaker 1: a good friend for a long time. And years ago
Speaker 1: when I saw his wildlife photography in Africa, I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this man is. He's kind of an artist, genius, perfectionist.
Speaker 1: And that's just what the film was. I mean just
Speaker 1: and that film was all set to go to theaters
Speaker 1: and then the pandemic COVID came and he had beautiful
Speaker 1: music and beautiful scenery. I mean, what a show that is.
Speaker 1: But as I say, if people ever ask me what's
Speaker 1: my favorite of all cases, that is it right there,
Speaker 1: because that will turn someone that's a non believer that
Speaker 1: there is, that things are whatever it is visiting us
Speaker 1: into someone that says, wow, you know that's really something.
Speaker 1: Except my sister, my sister. I sat down and showed
Speaker 1: my sister the movie and the whole thing. We go
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, and she's, Okay, what's let's see
Speaker 1: let's uh, why don't we have spaghetti tonight? You know
Speaker 1: she's absolutely not. And her husband, who used to work
Speaker 1: at Los Alamos Labs, you know, he's a a as
Speaker 1: a scientist, and he says, oh yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: very well could be you know. He's all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we could very well be visited by whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: but she's just like not even not going to even
Speaker 1: yeah's glad to do that. Yeah, she'll send me come
Speaker 1: to the UF all things, sometimes an email or whatever,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she has absolutely no interest. My other sister
Speaker 1: was actually in the live stream I did today at
Speaker 1: the Press Club, so she's she's interested in it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, you've done so much since we last spoken,
Speaker 1: and the I think has been a huge success and
Speaker 1: you're part of that. What's it like?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Sorry to hear the last part you ket
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, and it might be you know, I'm
Speaker 1: using this microphone. I'm not sure how it's working here.
Speaker 1: How are you enjoying?
Speaker 2: Oh, just life in general? I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like I look at success like I guess
Speaker 3: it is success, I guess, or just accolades of things
Speaker 3: in my career.
Speaker 2: But there's just so much more I want to do.
Speaker 3: I'm just happy I get to do it, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm happy I get to like participate in this, that
Speaker 3: the strategies that I build in PR that they work
Speaker 3: in UAP, like I just you know, there's so much
Speaker 3: more around public relations and just you know, the whole
Speaker 3: mechanics of PR outside of just media around UFOs. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm really happy that I've been able to contribute in it,
Speaker 3: and I just keep wanting to do more and hopefully
Speaker 3: working on stuff to do in the future too, So
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully I'll be here and like the rest
Speaker 3: of us in this space to the day I die,
Speaker 3: you know, probably a life for let's be honest, Martin.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel some degree I.
Speaker 2: Might not be in front of the camera.
Speaker 3: It is my boot behind showing up to things and
Speaker 3: being like, oh, these are all the new youngins that
Speaker 3: have showed up in this space, you know that are
Speaker 3: and I was a young ins in their thirties and
Speaker 3: forties and twenties coming in right, because I think there's
Speaker 3: like an each thing with UFOs. Apparently it's getting.
Speaker 1: People today, younger people to the Oh the press conference
Speaker 1: is very nice to see. And I had dinner with
Speaker 1: several people tonight and Whitley Strieber was across from me,
Speaker 1: and we're both talking about doing this a long time,
Speaker 1: you know, and he says, well, I'm going to stop
Speaker 1: when they put me in the ground, he said, otherwise
Speaker 1: I'm going to just keep going, And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no plans in stopping. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a mind boggling topic, so
Speaker 1: fascinating to me, and I don't know how it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to understand once you get interested in it,
Speaker 1: why you weren't interested in why other people aren't interested
Speaker 1: in it, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: And then how everything kind of intersects together, you know,
Speaker 3: once you and then all these rabbit holes that open up.
Speaker 3: That's what really happened to me with UAP. You know,
Speaker 3: I became really deeply interested in national security, which I
Speaker 3: never thought would happened. But that's adjacent to it, obviously,
Speaker 3: so you start to learn more about that, you know,
Speaker 3: as a Canadian, I've learned way more about American politics
Speaker 3: than I think I ever would have thought. I've learned
Speaker 3: more about technology and science obviously working with the debrief,
Speaker 3: but then looking at all the different types of propulsion
Speaker 3: systems potentially that people talk about that UAP, you know,
Speaker 3: could be based on, or what kind of propulsion hopefully
Speaker 3: maybe it's using, if it is using any type of propulsion,
Speaker 3: so like stuff to that degree, Like it's just it's
Speaker 3: always been very interesting to learn consistently and you never stop.
Speaker 3: And then sometimes I also get to a point where
Speaker 3: it's too much, you know, we get into like little
Speaker 3: bubbles where like everything's like at you at one time,
Speaker 3: and then you're just trying to keep up with all
Speaker 3: the information and all the news consistently, and that's really
Speaker 3: hard too.
Speaker 2: So we go through these ebbs and flows.
Speaker 3: But what I've kind of realized with UFOs is usually
Speaker 3: in the winter, you know, we usually get a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 2: In the summertime, well that's.
Speaker 3: You know, that's our evs and flows around August September,
Speaker 3: you know, we get hits with stuff, if it's other
Speaker 3: films or news pieces. I find that to be the
Speaker 3: most consistent for us is throughout the summer. It's the
Speaker 3: busiest in uIP people talking about it. It's probably because
Speaker 3: people are out there now like hosting events or doing
Speaker 3: films or doing other things, so that's why, and more
Speaker 3: people are willing to travel during the summer months.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's been fun and I'm just
Speaker 2: so glad.
Speaker 3: I started doing like looking at UFOs when I was
Speaker 3: a little girl into now being alive.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're I do remember when you were on last time,
Speaker 1: which was quite quite a while ago. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I think it's been at least two or three years.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's been longer than that. Actually, yeah, baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, I do believe you said your father had
Speaker 1: a UFO siting.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was a flashlight involved. Does that did
Speaker 1: he flash or something?
Speaker 2: No, you are something? Yeah, No, you're close. Good memory though.
Speaker 3: So it was in Pembroke, Ontario, in that region on
Speaker 3: a highway. He was with a group of friends and
Speaker 3: he saw a UFO with them and they The short
Speaker 3: of it is that they pulled over and got out
Speaker 3: of the car and.
Speaker 2: Slashed their high beams at it.
Speaker 3: My dad did a vehicle and then the UFO flashed
Speaker 3: back at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was intelligently piloted, which is wild.
Speaker 3: And so my dad took a photo of it, and
Speaker 3: when I was a little girl, he showed me that photo.
Speaker 3: He still has like the negative in the space it's
Speaker 3: sorry in his safe. So I'm one day I've said
Speaker 3: to him, I was like, you got to take it
Speaker 3: out of the safe, and he's like, I will I said,
Speaker 3: because I want to. I want to develop it so
Speaker 3: that I can make it into like a really big
Speaker 3: piece of art and put it in my kitchen. So
Speaker 3: he's like, all right, he's given me other stuff though
Speaker 3: that He's had his documents and things that he's collected
Speaker 3: over the years, and I start now, I have been
Speaker 3: passed down some of that material, so, you know, and
Speaker 3: I have it hanging on my wall now, laminated or
Speaker 3: protected so that I can pass it down to maybe
Speaker 3: my nephew or who knows, to somebody who really who
Speaker 3: loves this topic as I get.
Speaker 1: Older, right, and so I think that probably contributed to
Speaker 1: your interests. Would you say that.
Speaker 2: Oh immensely.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is my dad and I have haven't
Speaker 3: really talked to U of FOS so much in the past.
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about world politics, you know.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: Every time we get together, there's a place called swish
Speaker 3: La in Canada where it's like chicken and fries. It's
Speaker 3: like it's a very known kind of like place that
Speaker 3: people go, and my dad and I will He loves
Speaker 3: swish La, so we will go to swish La together
Speaker 3: and we will.
Speaker 2: Talk about what's going on in China.
Speaker 3: We talk about what's just happening on the world, and
Speaker 3: then you know, good and bad. Talk heavily about Canadian politics,
Speaker 3: American politics. But yeah, we talk a lot about world issues,
Speaker 3: my dad and I, but my whole family does. To
Speaker 3: be honest, we're one of those people. But we haven't
Speaker 3: really in the past couple of months, have not talked
Speaker 3: a lot about UFOs. He is reading Jacques Vallet's Trinity
Speaker 3: right now, and so he'll call me sometimes and be like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, or you know, I didn't know this,
Speaker 3: or he'll just call me about certain things and we'll
Speaker 3: kind of gab about that. But in most recent weeks
Speaker 3: and months, it's been world politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My partner, producer Donna her, when she was a
Speaker 1: little little girl, she basically saw like a UFO in
Speaker 1: some magazine or whatever, and she said to her father, well,
Speaker 1: what are they? What does the government know? What are
Speaker 1: those things? What does the government know about him? And
Speaker 1: father said, they don't know what they are? And that
Speaker 1: is what created her curiosity on the subject, just just
Speaker 1: because they didn't know, like and that adults don't know something,
Speaker 1: you know, what could this be? You know? So it's
Speaker 1: funny how different you know, people get influenced. I don't
Speaker 1: know what my parents might. Both my parents passed by
Speaker 1: the time, you know that I really got interested in
Speaker 1: this topic, so I don't have any slaved idea what
Speaker 1: they thought about the topic never came up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Should ask my dad if he was interested in UFOs
Speaker 3: before his citing. I imagine he was. He's, you know,
Speaker 3: pretty open minded. There's a quote that he said once
Speaker 3: when I was driving. You know, he's like, Chrissy, I'm
Speaker 3: not a local thinker. He's like, I'm not even a
Speaker 3: worldly thinker. I'm an intergalactic thinker. I'm like, yes you are,
Speaker 3: Yes you are dead, Like, yes you are. So I
Speaker 3: wonder and I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking
Speaker 3: into UFOs or you know, I know two thousand and
Speaker 3: one Space Odyssey was one of his favorite films because
Speaker 3: I think we were arriving and I said to him
Speaker 3: when I was a little girl before, like or around
Speaker 3: the same time, I think probably the UFO photo. I
Speaker 3: forget when I watched it on HBO, you know, at
Speaker 3: home watching satellite in the country after school and two
Speaker 3: thousand and one Space Odyssey comes on, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what is this movie. It's on repeat on HBO, and
Speaker 3: I'm just like watching it like every moment I could get,
Speaker 3: And I remember just being enthralled by it. And I
Speaker 3: told my dad that and he was like, that was
Speaker 3: a movie that hooked me too. And then I forever
Speaker 3: became a Stanley Kubrick like Netso fan of his. After that,
Speaker 3: I realized all the movies I loved were Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid. Probably shouldn't be watching a
Speaker 2: lot of all those when I was really.
Speaker 1: Young, but well, you know, he was a genius. Pardon
Speaker 1: he was a genius in a lot of ways because
Speaker 1: originally he was going to have you know, the ending
Speaker 1: is such a puzzle, and he was had that, like
Speaker 1: there was a voiceover talking about what all these events,
Speaker 1: what that meant with the man in the room, you know,
Speaker 1: by himself and all the Louis fifteen decorations, and and
Speaker 1: then the child, and then he took it out. He said,
Speaker 1: let it all be silent, Let it all be silent
Speaker 1: with no voiceover, and let the people make up their mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a genius like that. And then and
Speaker 1: then in space, you know, anytime you watch anything in space,
Speaker 1: you see this the capsule move and you hear like that,
Speaker 1: Well there's no note, you can't hear any and so
Speaker 1: he did that too. There was absolutely no sound in
Speaker 1: these things, all things that you'd want to put special
Speaker 1: effects into, but he wouldn't do it, you know. So
Speaker 1: he's that's a genius.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a genius when it comes to film.
Speaker 3: And I remember, like some of the camera movements when
Speaker 3: I forget the astronauts name, when he gets into the room,
Speaker 3: he's consistently looking left, and when he looks left, he
Speaker 3: watches himself age. And then in the end, yes, yea,
Speaker 3: his reincarnation and Reworth back into like the system, the
Speaker 3: or the universe.
Speaker 1: You may call it a new start. I think it's
Speaker 1: all about a new start yea. So now we're at
Speaker 1: a really good place because we can talk about how
Speaker 1: a little bit which I thought was character you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's where we are kind of today in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, you know, with artificial intelligence and
Speaker 1: where we're headed. And I know that our conversation, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk a bit about this because you've done
Speaker 1: a lot of looking into AI and different things. One
Speaker 1: of them is the neurolink I believe or whatever it's
Speaker 1: called that Musk is involved in and you know, all
Speaker 1: those things, but I want to of course talk about
Speaker 1: it in the realm of UFOs because I do believe
Speaker 1: that it plays a role in the possibility of you know,
Speaker 1: we may find out quicker if we're going to find
Speaker 1: out at all what's going on through the help of AI.
Speaker 1: And what are your thoughts in general about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so neuralink or synchron there's in brain. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of these different companies around the world now that
Speaker 3: focus on BCIs, which is considered brain computer interfaces. Brain
Speaker 3: computer interfaces started in the nineteen sixties, like they're nothing new.
Speaker 3: Synchron CEO Tom Oxley was funded by DARPA, and so
Speaker 3: DARPA was building brain computer interfaces and we could we
Speaker 3: can look at that, and we can get into this,
Speaker 3: but we can look at it in many different ways.
Speaker 3: But it's it's not a new technology. It's an older
Speaker 3: well older if you want to consider the sixties older,
Speaker 3: but more of a retro technology. And so it's and
Speaker 3: now it's become real modern day. And you know, the
Speaker 3: one thing if you're going to say anything about positive
Speaker 3: about Elon Musk is that he did bring attention to
Speaker 3: BCIs and it has put lots of investment in funding
Speaker 3: into multiple different companies, so you know, I know they're
Speaker 3: very thankful different CEOs or that because of the attention
Speaker 3: that's been brought to it. And on the other positive side,
Speaker 3: is BCIs have helped will help millions of people. It's
Speaker 3: helped a lot of people. Right now, there's less than
Speaker 3: two hundred people around the world or sorry, one hundred
Speaker 3: people around the world that I BCIs, and that will
Speaker 3: increase by the end of this year. And Neurlink is
Speaker 3: looking to ramp up high volume production. They're saying, so
Speaker 3: that could be thousands to ten the thousands BCIs by
Speaker 3: the end of this year.
Speaker 2: But people really do need them.
Speaker 3: There's people that have als, or people that are you know,
Speaker 3: have gone into major car accidents and have become quadriplegics
Speaker 3: that need this type of BCI in their brain so
Speaker 3: that they feel that they're contributing back to society meanfully.
Speaker 3: And I've met lots of these people that have had
Speaker 3: a BCI or then they've had it removed. Fortunately because
Speaker 3: you know, a testing a period was ending. I've interviewed
Speaker 3: Nolan Arbor from who has the first narrow link. And
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these people are so inspirational
Speaker 3: because you see how much it's helped their lives. But
Speaker 3: then you know, there's always the flip side to it,
Speaker 3: and that's where I kind of I write about both
Speaker 3: because we have to start having conversations about BCI now,
Speaker 3: because if we don't, it can be a very scary future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, I my thoughts about AI
Speaker 1: in general is the phrase that you hear often here
Speaker 1: when you look into this topic, is that, well, there's
Speaker 1: somewhere between ten and twenty percent chance that it will
Speaker 1: be you know, an extinction vent event by the time
Speaker 1: you know the future, will you know it's going to
Speaker 1: kill us all it's a possibility that it can happen.
Speaker 1: And they're saying, yeah, well, you know, so much good
Speaker 1: can happen with you. True, But anything that has a
Speaker 1: ten or twenty percent, you know, chance of you know,
Speaker 1: us becoming extinct, it's scary to me because you know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen is it's kind of if you
Speaker 1: look at it, historically, anything that is a higher level
Speaker 1: of intelligence usually dominates the lower intelligence. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: human nature or whatever nature, it can be scary. And
Speaker 1: if it gets to the point where it can self replicate,
Speaker 1: AGI can self replicate and get you know, super intelligence,
Speaker 1: and then it can just fly sky high, and then
Speaker 1: I think we're screwed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more I'm not so worried about AI individually personally.
Speaker 3: I'm more worried about when we get to the singularity
Speaker 3: and we have not figured out, you know, our own
Speaker 3: difficulties and our own challenges on this planet without our
Speaker 3: technology and artificial intelligence. And when we get to that
Speaker 3: singularity and BCI will be part of that, AI will
Speaker 3: be part of that, there will be I think it
Speaker 3: could be horrible for us, right for the next generation.
Speaker 3: We think it's bad now, but if we don't figure
Speaker 3: things out and we get to the singularity, it could
Speaker 3: be worse. We look at quantum computing to being you know,
Speaker 3: one of those as well. You know, things will change
Speaker 3: immensely fast. It will be you know, what we're doing now,
Speaker 3: at least when quantum computing comes around and everything else,
Speaker 3: this will be archaic how we are talking, how we
Speaker 3: are communicating, this type of you know, these people will
Speaker 3: look back and you know relics and be like, remember
Speaker 3: the time when you know, in twenty twenty six, when
Speaker 3: people were obsessed with you of Foes in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: seven and thenone was creating podcasts about it, including myself,
Speaker 3: And we're all going to be doing that, and they're
Speaker 3: going to look at it at the time and those
Speaker 3: younger generations will say, well, and they'll take snippets from it,
Speaker 3: they'll take information from it, you know, but they're going
Speaker 3: to look at it as relics because they're going to
Speaker 3: be living in a totally different society and tech world
Speaker 3: than we're ever lived or we've ever seen. So you know,
Speaker 3: by that time, I'll probably be extremely old or potentially dead.
Speaker 2: I would think.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're moving to the singularity. And you
Speaker 3: know what Sam Altman predicts in twenty thirty twenty thirty five,
Speaker 3: they're saying, yeah, people are saying that it might be
Speaker 3: a little bit longer, and we'll see.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to tell because you can't predict the
Speaker 1: future because whatever you think it's going to be, it
Speaker 1: isn't you know, something else happens very true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we know is humans have always what we
Speaker 3: can look in the past is we have not We've
Speaker 3: always used war right, and we've we haven't really figured
Speaker 3: out our issues.
Speaker 1: Let's just yeah, we are a war in society for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the indextrial complexes it's I don't think
Speaker 3: it's the people. I think it's the system that we
Speaker 3: let guide us and let protect us at times and
Speaker 3: realize that it does have a massive handle on how
Speaker 3: we think and how we operate in society. And I
Speaker 3: think that those things need to change. But a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't even understand that the military industrial complex
Speaker 3: is really even a thing, and that you know, people
Speaker 3: are waking up to understanding these kind of terminologies or
Speaker 3: understandings of how society operates, but it's still pretty new
Speaker 3: for a lot of people. And hopefully by the time
Speaker 3: we get to the singularity, people have a better idea
Speaker 3: of how society and governments run.
Speaker 1: Right, Right, So I'm neglected to say hi to everyone
Speaker 1: in chat. Hello everyone, Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: And yes I did have dinner this evening with Whitley
Speaker 1: Streever and a bunch of other people. We had some
Speaker 1: great conversations and it's been really great. So thanks for
Speaker 1: all that, And if you have any questions as we're
Speaker 1: going along here. Please put them in all caps and
Speaker 1: I'll try to put them up so you can so
Speaker 1: Christy can answer them. So you're are you in Canada now?
Speaker 2: I am am in Toronto right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, probably kind of chilly there, I would think,
Speaker 1: didn't you have that?
Speaker 2: So right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's supposed to feel like, well, this
Speaker 3: is like member Celsius like minus thirty here, which is
Speaker 3: like I don't even know what that is in Fairnheim,
Speaker 3: but it's freezing, Like I've it's been cool the past week.
Speaker 3: And usually I leave around this time and I usually
Speaker 3: go to some I usually go to the States, but
Speaker 3: right now I won't be going for them until like
Speaker 3: three weeks I'll be there.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's cool. Yeah, you don't want to
Speaker 2: be here, Martin, you don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's very cold here in Washington, but I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: I spent most of my time down in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: so going back tomorrow. But anyway, Yeah, but so let's
Speaker 1: get back to like how this has to do with
Speaker 1: UFOs in the future, just so we can kind of
Speaker 1: I think that there's going to be some technologies built
Speaker 1: one way or another that's going to help us, well
Speaker 1: know so much more. And I know there's no way
Speaker 1: you know, as far as engaging this conversation, we don't
Speaker 1: have any of the answers. But do you agree with
Speaker 1: that assessment? Do you think we're going to be able
Speaker 1: to learn a lot more?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple things, and I'll look at this
Speaker 3: in two different kinds of buckets. Like I look at
Speaker 3: UFO as like nuts and bolts, maybe craft or things
Speaker 3: that we're identify as unidentified flying object. And then I
Speaker 3: look at NHI. Right, I compartmentalize sometimes in two different buckets.
Speaker 3: And then obviously we have them come together, but they
Speaker 3: are separate on their own because sometimes when you see UFO,
Speaker 3: you don't always see NHI and when you and then
Speaker 3: sometimes when a UFO's are an NHI wouldn't be I
Speaker 3: think I said that the right way, but I think
Speaker 3: you guys get what I'm saying. And so but with that,
Speaker 3: there's things like with BCI, we look at like forms
Speaker 3: of like telepathy, right, that's what we're looking at people
Speaker 3: that now there's different products that are becoming on the market.
Speaker 3: An MIT is creating one now where you're able to
Speaker 3: put a headset on. That's a brain computer interface. It's
Speaker 3: not put in your brain, and then you put it
Speaker 3: on somebody else and you can you can hear their thoughts.
Speaker 3: It's called silent talk. Yeah, I actually wrote a piece
Speaker 3: on this that the debrief. If anyone wants to take
Speaker 3: a look at it, or they can go to my
Speaker 3: Instagram they can see the video on it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you can hear each other's thoughts. It's called silent communication.
Speaker 3: And we use silent communication when we're literally kind of
Speaker 3: talking to ourselves or creating those images in our in
Speaker 3: our mind.
Speaker 2: Ohkay, there we go. I'm trying to remember the brand's name.
Speaker 2: It's gonna. I can't even remember now it's been a while.
Speaker 2: Let me look, well, quickly search myself.
Speaker 1: But that's really fascinating. I had no idea that that
Speaker 1: capability was available at this point. It is called amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what is it called? Now, give you
Speaker 2: the alter ego? There we go.
Speaker 3: It's called alter Ego and so it's created by MIT Labs.
Speaker 3: So if you want to take a look at that,
Speaker 3: or anyone that's reading the debrief, you'll find it interesting.
Speaker 3: And there's videos in there that show them how they
Speaker 3: do it as a demonstration, but that's a wearable BCI.
Speaker 2: And so when we.
Speaker 3: Look at things that potentially having BCIs we talk about siabilities, right,
Speaker 3: and we look at this communication through telepathy, and so
Speaker 3: the idea is that you know, people are saying that
Speaker 3: they have these abilities, right. We hear this with Guywatcher,
Speaker 3: We hear this with lots of other different people saying
Speaker 3: that they have these syabilities naturally on their own. We
Speaker 3: look at the telepathy tapes when we hear the people
Speaker 3: children or adults with autism too, with nonverbal autism or
Speaker 3: experiencing this. So there's this cross intersection when it comes
Speaker 3: to those things that do overlap with NHI or I
Speaker 3: would say UAP, which we find really interesting. We see
Speaker 3: siabilities have overlapped obviously with people saying that they're able
Speaker 3: to then talk or communicate with UFOs. So none of
Speaker 3: this is obviously proven in that context of editing, and say,
Speaker 3: but these are just cross intersection that I've seen with
Speaker 3: things that are being developed now. And then also what
Speaker 3: people have said on the other side, right when we
Speaker 3: look at the paranormal or we look at other alternative
Speaker 3: science conversations. The other thing that I thought was really interesting,
Speaker 3: and I haven't said this yet, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: write about it, and I have a quote from a CEO,
Speaker 3: and so I thought this was like this blew my mind.
Speaker 3: I was at the largest BCI conference in New York
Speaker 3: City this summer and all the companies were there, the
Speaker 3: biggest ones and the top CEOs, neurologists and people that
Speaker 3: have had BCIs that are part of coalitions that are
Speaker 3: talking about it. And they're saying, oh, yes, please do
Speaker 3: subscribe and sorry, I wrote it myself. And they are
Speaker 3: saying that there's such things when you have schizophrenia or
Speaker 3: any mental health disorder or psychiatric disorder. Schizophrenia, people see
Speaker 3: delusions right and the times, and they're not sure if
Speaker 3: those delusions are real or not. And so there's different
Speaker 3: companies right now looking at the mental health aspect of
Speaker 3: BCI and being able to then put a BCI in
Speaker 3: someone's head that has schizophrenia. So when I asked, I
Speaker 3: won't say who the CEOs and now is. But when
Speaker 3: I asked him, no, let's look at this from a
Speaker 3: different perspective, I said, So if somebody has schizophrenia and
Speaker 3: I give them a BCI, that BCI is going to
Speaker 3: be able to tell me or tell them that what
Speaker 3: they're seeing is real or a delusion. And they said yes,
Speaker 3: And I said, so what if the BCI and someone
Speaker 3: schizophrenia sees something, but then the BCI tells them that
Speaker 3: it's not a delusion when other people obviously can't see
Speaker 3: it as well. And so what I'm alluding to is
Speaker 3: potentially NHI. So we might have BCIs in the market
Speaker 3: where we able to then have these things if people
Speaker 3: are using them, I'm not going to say from a
Speaker 3: commercial perspective, but are able to then identify if they're
Speaker 3: seeing something. That chip or sensor in the brain would
Speaker 3: be able to say, yes, that person what they saw
Speaker 3: was real. So it's another way of a sense, right,
Speaker 3: It's another way of a sensor to be able to track,
Speaker 3: you know, if people are seeing NHIS or what they're seeing,
Speaker 3: if they're having a hallucination or it's not. So that's
Speaker 3: fascinating in our field. Yeah, right, it's very fascinating, And
Speaker 3: so I'm planning on writing a piece around this at
Speaker 3: some point shortly because when I was talking to the CEO,
Speaker 3: his mind wasn't thinking that like that. My mind kind
Speaker 3: of goes in both ways in directions when it comes
Speaker 3: to this type of science, I'm like, oh, well, this
Speaker 3: would be able to help us in the context of
Speaker 3: UAP or NHI. But then also we can look at
Speaker 3: it from obviously a natural kind of like science, evolution
Speaker 3: process and helping people that have neurological disorders. Like, there's
Speaker 3: so many different ways that BCIs will be able to
Speaker 3: create sensors and be able to measure and show the
Speaker 3: impact and data that we've never ever had before.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Here's a question for you. If non human
Speaker 1: intelligence is technologically advanced to a point far ahead of us,
Speaker 1: would they have already gone through their own singularity in
Speaker 1: the in their past? Very interesting question.
Speaker 3: That's a great interest, I would imagine so, but maybe
Speaker 3: their singularity would be different than ours depending on what
Speaker 3: their tech is, or maybe they're living.
Speaker 2: In their singularity. I don't know. Well, so I haven't
Speaker 2: got to singularity yet, so I'm not sure what it's like.
Speaker 2: Can I answer that. I'll send you a note from
Speaker 2: the future, right, that's right past?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, I'm trying to think of his name.
Speaker 1: Who first started talking about singularity? Do you know who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, No, it wasn't him.
Speaker 2: I was going to say I didn't know if it
Speaker 2: was yet.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Kirk kirk kerk Yes.
Speaker 2: He's actually Canadian Kurt from Toronto. Yeah, podcaster. I believe
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's a neuroscientist, but I believe
Speaker 3: he is a scientist.
Speaker 1: Well, let me, I'll look him up anyway. What I
Speaker 1: remember what he was saying is that basically we're not
Speaker 1: really going to need really, we're not going to need
Speaker 1: our bodies potentially. Do I have Do I have that?
Speaker 1: Do I have that? Totally wrong?
Speaker 3: No? I think yeah, I think life will be very
Speaker 3: different in this singularity, but it won't be I don't
Speaker 3: think it's going to be. It probably won't happen until
Speaker 3: I imagine I'm in my I imagine seventies or eighties. I
Speaker 3: would think I have no idea. I just don't think
Speaker 3: it's soon. And also I just can't see that maybe
Speaker 3: the tech we might have to some degree that for
Speaker 3: sure could be possible. You know, we look at China
Speaker 3: and the quantitum computing, and we look at rand reports
Speaker 3: and like they're way far advanced than we are in
Speaker 3: North America so I think that the technology potentially could hit,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if society will move into that singularity.
Speaker 3: I think that when we look at the soft sciences,
Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see how that evolves, because that
Speaker 3: has to evolve just as fast as the tech evolves,
Speaker 3: because we're the ones that are going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: putting it into our bodies maybe maybe not, or also
Speaker 3: using it. So just because the tech hits doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that we're going to adopt. So we have to see
Speaker 3: what that adoption rate looks like. And right now, I
Speaker 3: don't know. We're in a very duality place world that
Speaker 3: I couldn't see a lot of people agreeing to specific
Speaker 3: things like consumer BCIs in their mind. I think there
Speaker 3: would be a lineup, you know, down the road for
Speaker 3: people that want to advance their and put technology into
Speaker 3: their body even more. I can see that, But I
Speaker 3: also think there will be a massive aspects of society
Speaker 3: that are not going to want to do it as well.
Speaker 3: So that's why I think it's going to take society
Speaker 3: a lot longer.
Speaker 2: To catch up than the tech too.
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong, Yeah, we all can be wrong.
Speaker 1: Whatever we're thinking about here, Ray Kurzwell, Ray Kurzwell or
Speaker 1: that's who I was thinking of. He was talking about
Speaker 1: this for years and years and he was one of
Speaker 1: these child prodigy people that he is quite a past
Speaker 1: if anyone wants to look into him, he's a very
Speaker 1: interesting character. So here's another question here and Philip, some
Speaker 1: nice comments from you today. Thank you, Philip. So Christy,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Shag Harbor incident?
Speaker 3: Hey, Philip, I love the shag Harber incident in Canada.
Speaker 3: It has we have the most documentation. We have more
Speaker 3: documentation in Canada than Roswell has that there was a
Speaker 3: crash UFO, So.
Speaker 2: I love it. I actually really want to go out
Speaker 2: to Shag Harbor.
Speaker 3: I've been meaning to to go up there and just
Speaker 3: film and go to the museum and just learn a
Speaker 3: little bit more So when I decide to, I think
Speaker 3: I'll probably be going out to Pi this year with
Speaker 3: my friend and if I do, then I'll stop I
Speaker 3: know this Osha to see it because I.
Speaker 2: Really want to.
Speaker 3: I also want to go to Manitoba because we have
Speaker 3: like a UFO landing pad that I have not seen
Speaker 3: yet and I should probably tell him.
Speaker 2: Jake and I used to go out there and take
Speaker 2: some photos from me. But yeah, we have lots of like,
Speaker 2: you know, Falcon Lake unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Falcon Lake, I think is a really great case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've seen that glove that he had that
Speaker 3: was like burn and see with the shirt and all
Speaker 3: of like the news, the.
Speaker 1: Grid marks and all that. I think, Yeah, just for
Speaker 1: the person that is unfamiliar with that case, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of new people that listen to this, let's
Speaker 1: just do a nutshell about Falcon Lake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Felcon I'm forgetting his name now, gosh, but
Speaker 3: it was just a man that was looking. He was
Speaker 3: kind of people will debate if there's mountains or not
Speaker 3: or larger hills within Manitoba, but he was rock hounding.
Speaker 2: He was looking for different rocks.
Speaker 3: And he ended up, I believe it from what I know,
Speaker 3: he was in a mountain or a larger hill and
Speaker 3: he ended up hearing people speaking, but he thought that
Speaker 3: it was like Swedish or something, and he was like,
Speaker 3: who is this? And so when he kind of peered
Speaker 3: around the corner, he saw this massive ufo And this
Speaker 3: sounds like a joke, but like the door went up, like.
Speaker 2: People are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could close up, so, you know, which I
Speaker 3: think is kind of hilarious to be honest, like not surprised.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, it caught us.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Stephn michel Ac. That's it, thank you very much,
Speaker 3: and closed up. And so he went up to the
Speaker 3: UFO and when he went closer to it, because he
Speaker 3: was trying to figure out he thought that it was
Speaker 3: a government program or it was Americans, he didn't know that.
Speaker 3: He first initially did not think it was UAP, and
Speaker 3: he was saying hello, Hello, and when the UAP took off,
Speaker 3: the exhaust or whatever, it maybe hit him, if it
Speaker 3: was radiation hit him and caused some burns that were
Speaker 3: like this pattern on his chest. Ended up being in
Speaker 3: the hospital and it shared his glove that he was
Speaker 3: wearing and along with his T shirt and he had
Speaker 3: radiation burns and it's all you can look up the
Speaker 3: news clippings that you can find. It was documented and yeah,
Speaker 3: he ended up getting massive amounts of radiation from it.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, Stephen Michelac story is unbelievable. So whatever
Speaker 3: that was, if it was advanced technology that was being
Speaker 3: tested or was potentially off world there, it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: something happened to this man, and it's in the app profiles.
Speaker 3: So when I was down at the Historical Record Center
Speaker 3: two years ago, gosh, it feels like that feels a
Speaker 3: lot earlier than what it was. When I was there,
Speaker 3: I was looking at the app profiles and was just
Speaker 3: you know, looking at that glove and did a whole
Speaker 3: piece on it, and it was just unbelievable to see
Speaker 3: as a Canadian.
Speaker 2: And Marler has like the.
Speaker 3: Soil sample as well in the air profile, so it
Speaker 3: was like, as a Canadian, You're like, holy.
Speaker 2: Crab, like the mother load.
Speaker 3: And also just going to if anyone can, and I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if it's open to the to the public yet,
Speaker 3: but when David Marler does open it at some point,
Speaker 3: please try to go.
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable, like.
Speaker 3: You will lose your mind in the amount of amazing
Speaker 3: historical context of information, evidence, you name it, that you
Speaker 3: can find in there. It just, you know, I got
Speaker 3: so emotional when I was in there because I just
Speaker 3: kind oft believe the amount of information and history that
Speaker 3: we really do have around UAP and that really it's
Speaker 3: I think it's the largest archive in the world right
Speaker 3: now too.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it beats Sweden or not. I know,
Speaker 1: you know Sweden class Fund has that huge It wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, involved in that huge collection in Sweden, but
Speaker 1: I know it's right up there. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's all incredible. I can't wait to make it
Speaker 1: out there someday and go through that. I haven't haven't
Speaker 1: done that yet, but you know, it's it's it's such
Speaker 1: an interesting case in particular, and uh, I was trying
Speaker 1: to think there was another point I was going to
Speaker 1: make about it. I do believe that there was. He
Speaker 1: was a lone witness, which is always you know, too bad,
Speaker 1: but you know, something definitely happened to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something happened to him. And it's you know, you
Speaker 3: can see that the evidence.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're running around with radiation burns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not going to just get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to create such a story that is just
Speaker 3: it doesn't make it doesn't make sense in this case,
Speaker 3: I feel, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, But it is kind of funny when you hear
Speaker 1: stories like you said the door opens and the ladder
Speaker 1: drops sound.
Speaker 3: Well it's said that, I think, yeah, like it just
Speaker 3: closed up, you know, and like got in and I
Speaker 3: like then took off like it's just something you'd see
Speaker 3: in a movie or a cartoon, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, I know we're kind of taking jags
Speaker 1: here and there. Someone put in the chat the bar
Speaker 1: bell case. Soamiliar with that one?
Speaker 2: The bar bell Yeah, No, is that a Canadian case.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was. I know of that one,
Speaker 1: but anyway, I'm not. I didn't know that's where where
Speaker 1: that was in Canada. I thought that was somewhere in
Speaker 1: the Midwest where it was like a scientist that saw
Speaker 1: through a scope in his gun or something. But didn't
Speaker 1: you have a story about someone aiming a gun at something?
Speaker 2: That was my dad that, yes, my dad.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: When my dad's story when he which is actually really
Speaker 3: interesting and George Knapp's show on Netflix, my dad called me,
Speaker 3: you know, right away, and he was like, he's like,
Speaker 3: have you watched have you watched it yet? And I said, no,
Speaker 3: I haven't watched it yet. It's like I have now
Speaker 3: but in the past, And I said, no, I haven't
Speaker 3: watched it. Someone had the time yet I'm going to
Speaker 3: And he's like that guy when he put up his
Speaker 3: scope his rifle to the UFO and it took off.
Speaker 3: He's like, that's what happened to me, and he told
Speaker 3: me that years and years ago, right when I was
Speaker 3: a little kid. So what they did was they took
Speaker 3: out the rifle, not to shoot at it, but to
Speaker 3: look through the scope to get a better look. And
Speaker 3: then once the UFO realized that there was a gun
Speaker 3: being point at it or something pointing at it, it
Speaker 3: then took off. And so they watched it instantly accelerate.
Speaker 3: And this happens in George Knapp's conversation or documentary that
Speaker 3: he did with Netflix. And my dad said to me,
Speaker 3: I have never ever met or heard of anybody else
Speaker 3: having that same experience.
Speaker 1: And I said, so.
Speaker 3: At some point I will when I see George Knapp,
Speaker 3: at some point I will I'll tell him that because
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever I don't know if he
Speaker 3: knows the story, but I'll tell him that my dad
Speaker 3: is very similar to that when they put a rifle up.
Speaker 3: So you know, what my dad was seeing was intelligently piloted.
Speaker 3: The conversation now that we're having is was it, you know,
Speaker 3: something that was off world or you know, unidentified right,
Speaker 3: or was it actually like Canadian American tech being tested
Speaker 3: because out in Pembroke there was a secret base back
Speaker 3: in the eighties that no one knew about where there
Speaker 3: was lots of different testing going on, and so it
Speaker 3: was close to that area. So we wonder and my
Speaker 3: dad always thought, he said, it was so tiny, like
Speaker 3: little kids could fit in it. So but it was yeah,
Speaker 3: and let's be honest, drone technology has been going on
Speaker 3: way earlier than what we have now. So they had
Speaker 3: drone technology within DARPA and the government in the eighties,
Speaker 3: so my dad might have been seeing some early testing
Speaker 3: that was being done. But he said the craft, like,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty big craft still for testing, even if
Speaker 3: it was drone, right, and there was no propulsion system, right,
Speaker 3: there was nothing to that degree that he that he
Speaker 3: could figure out. There was no sound, there was no nothing,
Speaker 3: and so for him, that's why it was so curious,
Speaker 3: because it was just really just there and it was
Speaker 3: observing them, and it was intelligently piloted because my dad
Speaker 3: was communicating with it with his headlights, which is wild
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: That really is wow. You know, one thing you don't
Speaker 1: often think of, or maybe never think of it all,
Speaker 1: is that you know, if these are from say other planets.
Speaker 1: There's so many variables that could change the size of
Speaker 1: the being for one, but you know, you think of
Speaker 1: you know, most star systems, most solar systems are binary.
Speaker 1: You know, we're kind of unusual not being a binary,
Speaker 1: but that will affect just like the moon effects things,
Speaker 1: and for evolution, the way things grow, you know, as
Speaker 1: the gravity changes, everything, everything changes, everything is what I'm
Speaker 1: getting at. So for them to be our size when
Speaker 1: they come here, if they are coming from another planet,
Speaker 1: would be sort of on the rare size side. I think,
Speaker 1: you know enough, Yeah, go ahead, Yeah it could be.
Speaker 3: You know, we look at you know, Bob Bazar, if
Speaker 3: people believe him or not. You know, he said that
Speaker 3: little kids could fit into the cry Now I'm on
Speaker 3: the same bow too. But with that said, you know,
Speaker 3: little kids were he said that little kids look like
Speaker 3: it could be.
Speaker 2: Piloting that right.
Speaker 3: It was still tiny when he was in the craft.
Speaker 3: So that does you know, remarking there was the eighties,
Speaker 3: was seventy nine when my dad saw his craft, So
Speaker 3: you know, there's there's a connection there. But again we
Speaker 3: don't know. And I only found out recently actually about
Speaker 3: that base, about two years ago. So I'm starting to
Speaker 3: look into it more, and I'll look at different news
Speaker 3: clippings that will happen around in those areas, because I
Speaker 3: believe the next day or the day after, there were
Speaker 3: UFO sightings in Ontaro throughout Ontario after my dad's sighting.
Speaker 3: So you know, like there's so many things that could
Speaker 3: pos could possibly be, but if anything, it's a wild story.
Speaker 3: And to know that if even if we had that technology,
Speaker 3: that type of technology in the eighties, god, what can
Speaker 3: you imagine we have now that we don't know about?
Speaker 3: And that's what I think about a lot, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what tech do.
Speaker 2: We have now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And we are seeing it through warfare to some degree.
Speaker 3: The conversation right now about Venezuela and what type of
Speaker 3: you know, firearms and technology they were using, and people
Speaker 3: saying it wasn't advanced, it was, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's they have something, and they have something we've
Speaker 3: never seen before, and I be very curious and we
Speaker 3: will see it, you know, in the next x amount
Speaker 3: of years. But I think about that frequently, to be honest.
Speaker 1: When I I myself attend events like I did today,
Speaker 1: in other events, you know, it's the hallways that I
Speaker 1: really like, you know, talking to all these different people,
Speaker 1: and there are people talking today at dinner. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many. We had maybe fifteen or twenty people
Speaker 1: at dinner today here that were I've listening to the conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, one one of the gentlemen I did film
Speaker 1: a couple of interviews with him. He's he was involved
Speaker 1: in arrow and they were talking about usos and one
Speaker 1: clocked at over eight hundred knots in the water. And
Speaker 1: you know, the what we were all talking about was
Speaker 1: the strange phenomenon of no displacement. Like Scott Cassel, who
Speaker 1: has been on this show, talking about this cube that
Speaker 1: was down about two to four hundred feet in depth,
Speaker 1: this cube that was mimicking him and you know, like
Speaker 1: intelligently controlled whatever it was, and then it flew right
Speaker 1: by him. And when there was not he felt nothing.
Speaker 1: And he says he's been he's spun around when a
Speaker 1: whale went by him because they displaced water. So there's
Speaker 1: somehow not This conversation was great in the like I say,
Speaker 1: at dinner time, because we're saying, how come it's not
Speaker 1: they're not displacing water. A lot of people are talking
Speaker 1: about no displacement, there's no sound barrier broken. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe they go into places and there's no splash into
Speaker 1: the water, into the ground. Some people claim they see
Speaker 1: them going into the ground and all that. What the
Speaker 1: heck is going on?
Speaker 3: You know, I've never heard the ones going into the ground,
Speaker 3: like like disappearing into the ground.
Speaker 1: I've heard of a couple of people talk about it,
Speaker 1: but nothing like verified that anyone, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was multiple witnesses or whatever, but I think they
Speaker 1: didn't they talk about that at Skinwalk or Ranch two
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: I can imagine.
Speaker 1: Maybe totally wrong on that one, but I did hear
Speaker 1: people say before that they have they saw them go
Speaker 1: into a mountain or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've see Yeah, if it's a cave or uh
Speaker 3: to that degree, like an entrance, I could.
Speaker 2: I could imagine that.
Speaker 3: I've not heard like, you know, like literally disappearing into
Speaker 3: the ground. The USO stuff is really interesting, I find,
Speaker 3: you know, I've been happy it's becoming a bigger conversation,
Speaker 3: that's for sure, because it needs to be. It's you know,
Speaker 3: we always talk about the skies. For the longest period
Speaker 3: of time, we never talked about the water and it
Speaker 3: just when I've interviewed, you know, when I was doing
Speaker 3: the show and Discovery Channel, and I've talked about this
Speaker 3: when I've interviewed that one seaman that was out there
Speaker 3: and he lived on the water. His his partner and
Speaker 3: himself saw the UFO, but she was triangulating it. She
Speaker 3: was on the island and he was on the boat
Speaker 3: at that point in time, and the coast guard ended
Speaker 3: up seeing something too, and they weren't doing any type
Speaker 3: of exercises. When we did the research, we ended up
Speaker 3: finding out that they were just doing low barge explosions.
Speaker 2: They weren't doing anything in the sky.
Speaker 3: So we had all this data to triangulate and to
Speaker 3: end then along with the video of a triangle UFO
Speaker 3: that was coming out of the We didn't see it
Speaker 3: come out.
Speaker 1: Of the water.
Speaker 2: We saw it above him.
Speaker 3: He watched it come out of the water and it
Speaker 3: was underneath his boat. And this was off of Catalina Island,
Speaker 3: just by Los Angeles most people obviously now island, and
Speaker 3: so it was unbelievable. And I remember saying to him,
Speaker 3: and I wish the show made a bigger deal of that,
Speaker 3: because I looked at him and I was like you, Like,
Speaker 3: after the show, I took him aside and I was like,
Speaker 3: I definitely think you saw something, Like you know, I'm
Speaker 3: on the expert expert, but we're looking at all of
Speaker 3: the data from people that have all different experts that
Speaker 3: have put this together, and I'm looking at it and
Speaker 3: reviewing it with you, and I'm interviewing you right in
Speaker 3: your testimony here. But you know, there's some people you believe,
Speaker 3: and then there's some people that are lying, and then
Speaker 3: there's people that have really experienced things, and you're like,
Speaker 3: I just said to him, it was unbelievable, and it
Speaker 3: was such a great story, and he had so much
Speaker 3: video and a wonderful testimony to go with it, Like
Speaker 3: I was just flabbergasted, And so I would I want
Speaker 3: to speak to him more at one point. I probably
Speaker 3: will if I'm back out in that area, because it
Speaker 3: was just he was such a great witness as well,
Speaker 3: and he's like I see this all the time.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. This wasn't just him.
Speaker 3: And he's lived on the water majority of his life
Speaker 3: as well, so just really interesting and totally different lifestyle
Speaker 3: than most people would have as well, so he would
Speaker 3: see things like that and he would know how to
Speaker 3: spot because he's lived on the water, but a lot
Speaker 3: of people haven't. So I just, yeah, I find the
Speaker 3: USO stuff just fascinating personally.
Speaker 1: I do too. Yeah, here's another question someone posted here.
Speaker 1: Why hasn't anybody in Canada followed up with their former
Speaker 1: Minister of Defense Paul Hellier claims about extraterrestrial intelligence claims.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the Yeah, it's from Bob
Speaker 1: Blazar by the way, and see Bobar.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, hey Bobzar ye Bob.
Speaker 3: I uh so people we haven't followed up on the
Speaker 3: claims per se.
Speaker 2: I was very lucky.
Speaker 3: I spent time with Paul Hillard before he passed, you know,
Speaker 3: at his place, and he spoke a lot about UAP,
Speaker 3: but what he was really concerned about was actually the
Speaker 3: banking industry and the cabal, which are still massive conversations today,
Speaker 3: and UAP was an adjacent to it. But for Paul Halliard,
Speaker 3: you know, those claims about extraterrestrial life, you know, I
Speaker 3: think that he had a lot of things that I
Speaker 3: don't from what I know, he didn't. It was a
Speaker 3: lot of stories that were been told from and research
Speaker 3: that he did. I don't know if he had physical proof,
Speaker 3: not that I've ever seen. I'd actually have to talk
Speaker 3: to Victor Vigiani and if that was his right hand
Speaker 3: man at that point in time, and Victor still in
Speaker 3: Canada is a Canadian researcher. But if that was the case,
Speaker 3: so that an evidence would have been out by now,
Speaker 3: I would imagine. But I do speak to the Canadian government,
Speaker 3: and I speak to the Office of the Science Advisor,
Speaker 3: and they have just come up with multiple studies.
Speaker 2: Where is this.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I have to move my camera right now,
Speaker 3: so don't mind me while I do this. But literally
Speaker 3: underneath me this came out.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Like this was mailed to me last week. So this
Speaker 3: is our Canadian actual report. This is a letter from
Speaker 3: the government, and this is the physical report. So you
Speaker 3: know how in the States they do like obviously they
Speaker 3: have a you can download it here, we actually do
Speaker 3: a physical report when we talk about past and present observations.
Speaker 3: This is like the sets that they did throughout Canada. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so it's it's actually it's really really well done.
Speaker 3: There's a PDF that you can get online. And I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to sell the Canadian government. I just know
Speaker 3: that I've sat with them in Ottawa, you know, not
Speaker 3: like Vana Whiting it here, but I've sat with them
Speaker 3: in Ottawa and I asked them a lot of tough questions,
Speaker 3: and they asked me a lot of tough questions, and
Speaker 3: they were cares to what I knew and who I knew.
Speaker 3: And they are a group of scientists. They do brief
Speaker 3: the Prime ministers, so they would brief Mark Karney on
Speaker 3: any science that's coming through advanced tech science that's happening
Speaker 3: along with then UAP, and they thought that this was
Speaker 3: a real concern because they do think that there's something
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: They're just not sure.
Speaker 3: And what we're trying to do in Canada, and I
Speaker 3: know from what they're saying is that they want to
Speaker 3: be transparent about it and that's what's really important. And
Speaker 3: that's what I've been reporting, along with a lot of
Speaker 3: different journalists in Canada were reporting as well, that the
Speaker 3: transparency is what the Canadian government is looking at because
Speaker 3: they want to tackle misinformation and disinformation through UAP, but
Speaker 3: they're also looking at it from a sec national security perspective.
Speaker 2: But the other aspect though.
Speaker 3: Too is that they don't they don't they don't not
Speaker 3: saying that something's not here. They just aren't analyzing NHI,
Speaker 3: but they're saying for sure, we are seeing things in
Speaker 3: our skies and we have tons of data to prove it,
Speaker 3: and we have tons of it.
Speaker 2: We just don't know what it is yet.
Speaker 3: The initial report and then after this we'll go to
Speaker 3: Mark Kearney's office, our Prime Minister, and then Mark Kearney
Speaker 3: now will decide who decides to take over the UAP research,
Speaker 3: and he's looking at hopefully, you know, it would be
Speaker 3: our kind of our space arm within Canada to be
Speaker 3: able to take it over, not defense, and then if
Speaker 3: that ends up happening, it would be a little bit
Speaker 3: even more transparent. So you know, we're moving forward. We
Speaker 3: just Canada just takes a while, like it just this took.
Speaker 3: This took like two years to come out, you know,
Speaker 3: and that was a lot after a lot longer after
Speaker 3: the first report came out in the United States.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's great that it exists. I had someone that
Speaker 1: was in one of James Boxes movies, the program former
Speaker 1: AA r oh. Some people called him the whistleblower, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd really call him that, But anyway,
Speaker 1: he basically. When I had a conversation with him this afternoon,
Speaker 1: he said, the government just doesn't know what they are.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, that's kind of what I've been
Speaker 1: thinking all along. You know, the government knows something, maybe
Speaker 1: more than we do, but not the whole picture. And
Speaker 1: he says, absolutely, they really don't know. But that was interesting,
Speaker 1: and so there's a there's a post here from Philip
Speaker 1: again speaking of Bob Lazaar. Have you heard a retired
Speaker 1: CIA agent is going to errow aar and to say
Speaker 1: he was involved in a program to erase UFO people's
Speaker 1: people involved in Uffo's background. I have not heard this.
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything of this?
Speaker 2: No, I've not heard that.
Speaker 3: If that's true, I'd like to see his background working
Speaker 3: for the American government, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, I like to I'd love to see that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not surprised the government has erased a
Speaker 3: lot of people from the planet, Let's be honest. You know,
Speaker 3: like there's been so many civilian programs in the United
Speaker 3: States and in Canada that have affected and killed civilians directly,
Speaker 3: So I would not be surprised that it would The
Speaker 3: easiest thing to do would be just to try to
Speaker 3: wipe out somebody's UFO profile or government profile. That's the
Speaker 3: that's the light side of it. You know, death is
Speaker 3: the big one. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 3: to be honest, but I would. I'm curious to see
Speaker 3: if they come forward. Yeah, I'd like to read that
Speaker 3: story or see it or hear Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Would like to know more about that. So, Philip, you
Speaker 1: emailed me today. Please if you have any more information
Speaker 1: on that, forward to me. So are you working on
Speaker 1: anything special coming up? You know, we're getting at the
Speaker 1: end of the show here, and I just wondered if
Speaker 1: you're working on any new articles about to come out
Speaker 1: on I do see another question came in, But is
Speaker 1: there what's what's coming up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got lots of stuff, but BCI is like
Speaker 3: such a big thing for me outside the UAP, so
Speaker 3: lots of different articles would be coming out. I can't
Speaker 3: say exactly what, but I'll have you know, so really
Speaker 3: some bigger features. I have a really big feature around
Speaker 3: consciousness and me going to the Monroe Institute that should
Speaker 3: be coming out, if anything, hopefully by next month. And
Speaker 3: then I have a really big archaeology story that I'm
Speaker 3: actually working on in Canada that I went up this summer,
Speaker 3: drove five hours north and sat with Steve Durant on
Speaker 3: his property and looked at maybe potentially some new archaeological
Speaker 3: findings in Canada. So that and then I'm working on
Speaker 3: some side projects right now and hopefully one day we'll
Speaker 3: get to and no, it's something a lot bigger, but
Speaker 3: I need to get a little bit further with it first.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, this is an interesting question here. Now.
Speaker 1: I know Micah called Micah Hanks, a friend of yours,
Speaker 1: and also on the debrief called me because I was
Speaker 1: right underneath the Chinese balloon when it was shot down,
Speaker 1: you know, which was crazy timing. So here's the question here.
Speaker 1: Does do you know anything of about what was recovered
Speaker 1: from the February twenty twenty three shootdown in the Yukon
Speaker 1: So we.
Speaker 3: Don't know if anything was recovered. What I did hear
Speaker 3: on some Intel chat though, that when it was shot down,
Speaker 3: it like shattered like glass instantly, but it really yeah,
Speaker 3: that it just like wanted to like just shattered so fast.
Speaker 3: But that you know, none of that's confirmed, but just
Speaker 3: something that I've heard that was going around. But again
Speaker 3: not confirmed. But then there was also just the picture
Speaker 3: that came out. I imagine people saw it look like
Speaker 3: a pac Man, and that's what the Canadian I did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love our uphone names like spaghetti Monster, pac Man,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, greatish jellyfish, right, it's hilarious. And so it
Speaker 3: looked like a pac Man and it so the Defense
Speaker 3: Canadian Defense released that, and there was a whole article
Speaker 3: that came out talking about, you know, the defense, Canadian
Speaker 3: Defense saying that they wanted to release the information initially
Speaker 3: when the shoot first happened, but then they didn't because
Speaker 3: they weren't able to. And it's not that it was
Speaker 3: because it meant to be immensely classified. They knew that
Speaker 3: this potentially would be the problem and it ended up
Speaker 3: being it. But with that said, they still have not
Speaker 3: released what if they found anything, if they were able
Speaker 3: to recover anything, and what that pac Man image was,
Speaker 3: unless they don't even know themselves, right, So that's kind
Speaker 3: of where we're at with that. But I would love to,
Speaker 3: you know, and the Yukon would be immensely hard, and
Speaker 3: if the debris shattered like glass, you would you know,
Speaker 3: you'd maybe find remnants here and there, if you're out
Speaker 3: there for hours or weeks or months. But it would
Speaker 3: if it was big debris pieces, you would think that
Speaker 3: we would have had or seen that, or other people
Speaker 3: would have gotten pieces at some point in time. But
Speaker 3: mind you, very cold, like it's not it's not like
Speaker 3: it's a crashing over yet.
Speaker 2: It's like it's.
Speaker 3: Freezing in the Yukon, So it'd be really hard to
Speaker 3: get a crash recovery.
Speaker 2: You could do it, but it would take a long
Speaker 2: time as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for what you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Pretty barren, right, very very bar yeah. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: not many people in that region whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Can't blame them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, it's like you know, negative right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we mentioned earlier the AP profiles. So next week's
Speaker 1: guest is Alan Levine. He's a long time researcher, was
Speaker 1: involved in a pro and he was actually the first
Speaker 1: one to interview Travis Walton before Travis was even interviewed
Speaker 1: by the police or anything. So he's been around a
Speaker 1: long time, he's been involved in it, and he's our
Speaker 1: guest next week. So I want to thank you so much, Chrissy.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Good to see you all right, all right everyone, so
Speaker 1: thank you and we'll see you next week. Thanks so much. Everyone,
Speaker 1: keep your eyes to the sky.