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on how the world works. You know, we have our history,

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our science, the laws of physics. It's all very neat,

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very tidy.

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Speaker 2: It's a comfortable story for sure.

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Speaker 1: Right, But every once in a while, a figure just

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sort of steps out of the shadows, and often those

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shadows are cast by some pretty serious government buildings, and.

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Speaker 2: That person's story just completely shatters that neat, tidy reality

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we've built.

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Speaker 1: For ourselves exactly. And the man we're doing a deep

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dive on today, Ingo Swan, might just be the most

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disruptive figure of.

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Speaker 2: Them all, without a doubt. I mean, we're talking about

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the person widely seen as the father of remote viewing.

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Speaker 1: And his CV is well, it's not normal. He spent

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nearly two decades, nineteen years working directly with the US

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intelligence community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not just anyone. We're talking the CIA, THEDIA,

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the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon, the absolute core of

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the deep state during the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: And the reason they hired him, this is the kicker.

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It wasn't because he was a great spot or could

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crack codes.

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Speaker 2: Nope, they hired him because he could do things that well,

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the physics of the nineteen seventies said were completely and

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utterly impossible.

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Speaker 1: He was brought into the Stanford Research Institute SRORI, which is,

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you know, it's one of the most elite think tanks on.

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Speaker 2: The planet, right, and his job basically was to prove

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the unimaginable was real and then of course, to weaponize it.

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Speaker 1: What's so wild to me is how quickly he earned

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respect even from these really hardened skeptical scientists and intelligence officers. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's this one story, this quote from one of

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his colleagues at SRI. It just sets the stage perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what is it.

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Speaker 2: He's introducing Swan to a room full of these, you know,

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very serious academics, and he stands up and says, and

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this is a direct quote, it's a great honor to

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be here and introduce Ingo Swan, a man who truly

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resides outside of space and time.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, a man who resides outside of space and time. Yeah,

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that's not a metaphor, that's describing a state of being,

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like he wasn't just visiting, he lived there.

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Speaker 2: Exactly tells you everything about the kind of person we're

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talking about. And you know, our mission here isn't just

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to tell some cool Cold War spy stories.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. We're here to unpack the very specific

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and i'd say deeply unsettling warning that Swan left for

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all of us. In his later years.

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Speaker 2: He really shifted his focus, didn't he. After his government

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work was done classified, he turned his attention to you,

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to the listener.

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Speaker 1: He left behind this incredibly detailed explanation for why he

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believed that basically every single one of us is and

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I'm quoting him here walking around blind, deaf and dumb

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to the real reality.

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Speaker 2: And for this deep dive, we're pulling from the transcripts

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of those final lectures, specifically from a video titled the

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CIA Psychic w Broke Reality, the classified warning they tried

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to erase on the channel beyond the veil.

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Speaker 1: And Swan he had such a personality. He promised his

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audience he was going to give them enough information to

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chokohors and twenty seven camels.

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Speaker 2: He did not mince words, not at all.

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Speaker 1: And so we're ready to take on that data dump

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to kind of distill it down and listen to his

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call to action, which was to break the programming.

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Speaker 2: And that's where this gets really personal, I think, because

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the most dangerous idea he put forward wasn't about spying

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on the Soviets. It was about us.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 2: It was the idea that this superpower he had what

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we call remote viewing or psychic ability. It's not a fluke,

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it's not some rare gift for a chosen few.

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Speaker 1: So what is it?

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Speaker 2: Then? He called it a species phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: A species phenomenon like walking on two legs.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, a capability that is inherent in the DNA of

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every single human being. It's our birthright.

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like having opposable thumbs, then the question isn't how do

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use it? Why have we lost it?

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Speaker 1: And that right there leads us directly into Swan's theory

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of the system, the program designed to keep us from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, let's get into it, the system of mine programming.

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Swan didn't dance around this. He stood up in front

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of people and asked this, this really terrifyingly direct question,

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which was are your minds programmed?

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Speaker 1: And he didn't even wait for an answer. Did. He

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Speaker 2: He said, absolutely, my mind was programmed. He said, I

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believed everything when I was a kid that was put

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into it. He saw this not as just, you know,

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a part of growing up. He saw it as a

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deliberate mechanism of control, a.

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Speaker 1: Way to actively reduce our capacity as human beings.

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Speaker 2: He called the process a systematic suppression. He had a

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specific name for it, the dampener, the dampener, and he said,

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this dampener gets applied the second we're born, through society,

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through our schools, through all of our cultural norms. Its

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only job is to shut down our own innate hardware.

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Speaker 1: And what's the message of that programming? Why shut it down?

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Speaker 2: The message is basically driven by fear. He quotes the

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internal logic of the system. Don't use these special things.

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Speaker 2: It's massive. The programming exists, he argued, because a world

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without secrets is completely incompatible with how power works today.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine that for a second, a world where telepathy

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or even just strong intuition was widespread, it would it

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would instantly break everything.

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Speaker 2: Politics would be impossible. A politician couldn't stand up and

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lie because people would just feel it.

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Speaker 1: Corporate secrets would vanish. You couldn't plot a hostile takeover

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if your competition could just you know, view your boardroom.

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Speaker 2: Even personal relationships would be transformed. You couldn't lie to

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your spouse. So, as Swan put it, a world like that,

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a world without lies, is a dangerous world for the

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Speaker 1: So the suppression the dampener. It's an act of self

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preservation for the status quo. It's an intellectual lockdown to

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keep the population manageable.

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Speaker 2: And Swan was pretty blunt about where he saw this happening.

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Speaker 1: Failure, meaning their cultures don't do this exactly.

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Speaker 2: He contrasted our society, which actively tries to dampen these abilities,

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with other cultures that actually nurture them, They integrate them

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Speaker 2: He mentioned the Shamans of the Russian Steps, the Sages

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Speaker 1: What did he say they do?

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Speaker 2: He said, they sit around their fires, time space tripping,

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Speaker 1: Wow, just practicing honing the skill, while our entire culture

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Speaker 2: And the analogy he used for this is I think

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the most powerful image from the entire source material. It

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just perfectly captures the Western approach.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: He said that Western culture takes a ferrari, removes the engine,

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cuts the brake lines, and then tells everyone it's a bicycle.

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Speaker 1: That is brutal. Yeh, but it makes so much sense.

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We have this high performance biological machine that can communicate

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across space and time.

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Speaker 2: And we actively sabotage it, We cripple it, reduce it

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to its most basic five sense function, and then wonder

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Speaker 1: And the programming is so deep that even when we

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do test something like remote viewing, we judge it by

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the wrong standards completely.

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Speaker 2: We only care about the externalized evidence.

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Speaker 1: Did you get the target right? Did you guess the

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number in the envelope. It's all about that one little

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piece of data exactly.

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Speaker 2: We completely ignore the process itself. We ignore the quote

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amazing extensive awarenesses of our subtle sensing systems that happen

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Speaker 1: The conscious mind just wants that that simple three D

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proof of something that's happening in a dimension that's been

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told doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's all about fitting it into that five cents bouquet,

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as he called it. If you can't see it, hear it,

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or touch it, then it's just it's a hallucination or

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lucky get it's just noise. And that's where his final

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analogy for this part comes in. He said, we are

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judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree,

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because we've been programmed to believe the ocean doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: The ocean being this this whole other reality of information

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that we're swimming in.

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Speaker 2: This massive field of energetic modulated information that we are

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constantly in, and we ignore it because the dampeter told

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us it wasn't real. Yeah, but swan he knew better.

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machine of ours actually capable of? Because Swan wasn't just

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talking philosophy.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. He was all about what he

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called hard science electrochemical, physiology, neurobiology. Yeah, he was trying

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to map the unseen hardware with physical concepts.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us right to the biology of it, all

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the nuts and bolts of the machine.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So this brings us to section three, the untapped

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biological machine. And the first thing Swan does is just

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completely tear down the model of perception we all learn

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in kindergarten, the five sensus. He called them the five cents.

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Speaker 2: Does, And then he immediately called the entire concept garbage.

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Speaker 1: You can almost hear the frustration and the transcripts, can't you.

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He's just so angry that this simple model is still

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Speaker 2: It was the main weapon used against him. Skeptics would say, well,

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that doesn't fit into the five senses, so it can't

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be real. They were confusing the map with the territory.

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Speaker 1: But he had the science to back it up. He

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had the receipts, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: He did, and this is where it gets really interesting.

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He cited a specific, dense academic text from nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: The Census, and he said he wished he'd had this

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book back in the seventies at Srori.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it would have given them the scientific framework

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have provided the biological proof.

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Speaker 1: So what was the big bombshell from that research?

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Speaker 2: The researchers, using empirical data, had identified not five, but

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a minimum of seven seventeen sensing systems operating in the

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human body seventeen seventeen, which means, as Swan pointed out,

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we are consciously ignoring twelve full channels of reality every

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Speaker 1: That's that's staggering.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to make people understand. He'd say, you're

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a walking receptor machine of millions and millions of receptors.

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ghosts and into the world of biology. This is hardware.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of these extra twelve senses. What

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kind of receptors are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Some are things we kind of know about but don't

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Speaker 1: Of the more subtle systems.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he highlighted two that are key to understanding this. First,

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of what is external to the body, so not just hot.

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house after an argument. Your eyes don't see anything, your

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ears don't hear anything, but your skin, your entire sensory

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system knows something is off here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And what was the second one?

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Speaker 2: This is the one that really powers the ferrari. He

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talked about neurological receptors specifically designed for interpreting modulated electronic information.

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Speaker 1: So our nervous system is basically an antenna.

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Speaker 2: That's the word he used. He said, you are biologically speaking,

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literally a walking antenna.

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Speaker 1: Constantly picking up on electromagnetic fields, radio waves, maybe even

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thought energy things we can't measure.

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Speaker 2: Yet, all of it. That ability to sense someone's true

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intention or that a place feels wrong, that's not magic.

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your conscious mind has been programmed to ignore.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen senses is already a lot to wrap your head around.

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But the math he brought in about data processing, that's

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what makes the blind and dumb comment really land.

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Speaker 2: This is where it gets terrifying. He cited another book,

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The User Illusion, which dives into the gap between all

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the data our senses taken and what our conscious mind

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's break down the numbers.

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Speaker 2: The sensory systems, all seventeen of them, with their millions

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of receptors, they are sending a constant data stream to

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your brain. And that stream is it's huge, eleven million

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bits of information every single second, every second. Eleven million bits.

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ambient electromagnetism, the gut feelings, all of it a high

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definition feed of reality.

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Speaker 1: So if eleven million bits are coming in, how much

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of that do we actually perceive? How much makes it

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to our conscious awareness.

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Speaker 2: This is the devastating number. The part of you that thinks,

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the part you identify as me, your conscious mind process

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is only sixteen sixteen of those eleven million.

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Speaker 1: Bits, sixteen out of eleven million, sixteen.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bottleneck, it's a near total blackout.

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Speaker 1: My god, the ratio there is. I can't even do

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that math in my head. It's insane.

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Speaker 2: It's about six hundred and eighty seven thy five hundred

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to one. We are, just as he said, effectively blind.

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We're looking at a single pixel on a screen that's

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projecting a full Imax movie.

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Speaker 1: This is also kind of hopeful, isn't it in a

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terrifying way.

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Speaker 2: That's the flip side. It means all the cool stuff,

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the remote viewing, the intuition, the telepathy, it's already happening.

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nine hundred and eighty four bits that your conscious mind

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is filtering out.

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Speaker 1: So when you get a gut feeling, that's not a hunch.

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Speaker 2: That's your vast parallel processing supercomputer trying to shove life

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saving data through a tiny sixteen bit keyhole.

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Speaker 1: Swanset is actionable data though we should follow it.

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Speaker 2: Because it's the only clue the conscious mind gets that

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there's a bigger picture. The superpower isn't something you have

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to build, it's something you have to stop ignoring. Your

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biology is doing the work constantly. Your conscious mind is

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just the skeptic in the room saying, nah, that can't

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we have this antenna system, these seventeen streaming

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in millions of bits of data. But where where is

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the central processor for all this? Where is the hardware

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that connects us to the cosmos.

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Speaker 2: Swan had a very specific answer for that. He zeroed

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in on one tiny piece of biological hardware, the pennial gland,

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the peneal gland. And yes, it's often linked to the

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mystical third eye, but Swan wasn't interested in that. He

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treated it like a piece of quantifiable biological machinery.

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Speaker 1: He grounded it in biology. It's this tiny piece sized

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thing right in the geometric center of.

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Speaker 2: Your head right and his claims about what it can

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do they basically rewrite the book on human senses.

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Speaker 1: His central claim was what that it can see everything.

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Speaker 2: That was his phrase, it can see everything, And he

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did not mean that as a metaphor. He claimed it

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contains receptors that act as non visual photoreceptors.

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Speaker 1: Meaning they pick up on light and image data that

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doesn't come to the eyes.

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Speaker 2: He essentially described it as a form of biological X

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ray vision.

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Speaker 1: But not like in the comic book Seeing through a Wall.

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Speaker 2: Far beyond that, he said, it sees through time and

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it sees through geology. This is the piece of rware

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that literally wires your body into the planet itself.

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Speaker 1: This is where we go from being a person on

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the Earth to being.

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Speaker 2: A part of the Earth exactly. He got really specific

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about its capabilities. He said, it detects solar and lunarithms,

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solar flares and sunspots.

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Speaker 1: Stop for a second. The implications of that are just staggering.

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A tiny gland in the middle of your skull is

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physically detecting a massive solar explosion ninety three million miles away.

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Speaker 2: It's doing it in real time.

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Speaker 1: So our biology is hardwired into the solar system. We're

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an instrument of the cosmos.

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Speaker 2: And this gives a plausible scientific reason for all those

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studies that link solar activity to human behavior, to moods,

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to stock market crashes.

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Speaker 1: Right if we're an antenna for solar flares. Of course,

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that energy is going to affect our system, whether our

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sixteenquit consciousness notices it or not.

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Speaker 2: And then it gets even wilder. This is the hardware

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for prophecy. Swan claimed the pineal gland senses forthcoming tidal.

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Speaker 1: Forces, forthcoming as in future.

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Speaker 2: Events, future events, forthcoming storms, and even forthcoming earthquakes. He

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said his own ability to sense when an earthquake was

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coming wasn't a psychic gift, it was his pineal gland

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doing its job.

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Speaker 1: He called that realization a bolt out of the blue.

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Speaker 2: It was because it completely reframed the human being. You're

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not just an observer. You are a planetary instrument. You

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are literally wired into the tectonic place.

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Speaker 1: Of the Earth, and that potential to be an early

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warning system is there, but the mind program just filters

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it out. It dismisses it as anxiety or coincidence.

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Speaker 2: And if the hardware in your head can talk to

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the sun and predict earthquakes, it can definitely influence the

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world right in front of you, which is exactly what

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his early experiments proved, long before the CIA ever came knocking.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's go there, This is before Sriri. Swan is

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still a skeptic himself, an artist in New York City,

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and he walks into a lab that just turns his

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entire world upside down.

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Speaker 2: The lab of Cleave Baxter, famous for hooking up plants

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to polygraph.

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Speaker 1: Machines light detectors for plants.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, Baxter was showing that plants had a high

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degree of consciousness, that they could react to human thought

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and intention. Swan walked in thinking it was all a bit,

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you know, a bit out there, very out there. He

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saw the setup and asked Baxter, okay, so who's going

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to affect the plant? And Baxter just said, you are.

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Speaker 1: And the instructions were so simple but so brilliant because

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there was no physical contact none.

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Speaker 2: He just had to sit there and think about burning

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one of the plants leaves, visualize a match, visualize the flame,

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and the result instantaneous. The polygraph needle went off the scale,

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a huge measurable violent reaction for the plant to the

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mere thought of harm.

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Speaker 1: Which is startling proof right there that consciousness is an

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external field. It's a signal that affects the environment.

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Speaker 2: But here's the really amazing part, the detail that shows

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the plant's high grade consciousness. Swan realized it wasn't just

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reacting to any thought.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: The plant could tell if he is bluffing, he said.

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then it doesn't respond anymore.

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Speaker 1: So it's reading intent, the quality and the conviction of

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the thought. That's an incredible level of awareness for a plant.

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Speaker 2: But Baxter wanted to push it further to prove this

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wasn't just some weird biological feedback loop, right, He had.

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Speaker 1: To take biology out of the equation exactly.

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Speaker 2: So he challenged Swan to influence non biological targets, bits

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of metals and gases sealed inside small canisters.

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Speaker 1: This is moving from biology to pure physics, pure physics.

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Speaker 2: The setup was simple metal and a canister hooked to

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an electric potential detector. Normally, it just puts out a steady,

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predictable sinwaight.

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Speaker 1: Until an external force cts on it.

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Speaker 2: Right, and Swan's focused thought, his consciousness was that force.

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The sinway shifted. He measurably changed the electrical potential of

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a sealed piece of metal with his mind.

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Speaker 1: That's the smoking gun. It proves consciousness isn't just in

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your head. It's a physical force that can alter the

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material world.

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Speaker 2: And that became the foundation for everything he did after

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the core concept consciousness is a field, a signal. The

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air between us, he said, is thick with thought.

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Speaker 1: And our bodies, our seventeen senses, are constantly decoding that field,

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even if our sixteen bit mind is totally oblivious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked about the other signals. We're always sending

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out pheromones or these fleeting sex vibes that last less

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than half a second. The conscious mind misses them.

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Speaker 1: Completely, but our biology tracks them perfectly. That eleven million

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bit processor misses nothing.

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Speaker 2: We're all just swimming in this sea of information, constantly

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broadcasting our true intentions to every living thing around us.

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Speaker 1: And the ultimate tragedy of the mind program, the ultimate irony,

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is that we're the only ones who can't read the signal.

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Speaker 2: We are, as he put it, the only ones in

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the room who don't know what's happening. And that's why

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he was so desperate for people to wake up. He

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had the proof, and he paid a heavy price for it.

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Speaker 1: So once he'd proven he could do this influence read signals,

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the government took notice, and this is where his life

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changed forever.

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Speaker 2: And not for the better. He became an asset, an instrument,

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and it began this chapter of his life that he

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looked back on with just intense bitterness.

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Speaker 1: He called his nineteen years in the labs a prison

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of his own making. He said, it wrecked my life.

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Speaker 2: He stopped being a person. He became, in his own words,

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a biological instrument for the government. It wasn't Ingo Swan anymore.

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He was a tool and.

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Speaker 1: The work was brutal. It wasn't just a few tests

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here and there. He talked about working with a doctor

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Gertrude Schmidler.

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Speaker 2: And the numbers are just insane. Over two hundred thousand

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trials in a.

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Speaker 1: Single year, two hundred thousand. Can you imagine the mental exhaustion,

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constantly having to force your consciousness out of your body,

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as he put it, to go look at some target

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thousands of miles away.

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible strain. And that crazy he used out

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of his body. He considered that his normal state, the

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strain was being forced into his body to work port back.

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Speaker 1: There was one defining experiment though, that really cemented his status.

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It was designed to be basically skeptic proof.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate test. They wanted to prove beyond any shadow

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of a doubt that his mind was a physical force.

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Speaker 1: Let's break down the setup of that test. It was

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just it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: He was asked to change the temperature of a thermometer,

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but the thermometer was sealed inside a thermist bottle.

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Speaker 1: Which is already designed for insulation, right.

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Speaker 2: And then that thermist bottle was itself sealed inside a

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five gallon drum, multiple layers of physical insulated barriers, and

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he had.

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Speaker 1: To influence it remotely without touching anything.

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Speaker 2: And he did it. He succeeded. He changed the temperature

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of that deeply isolated instrument with his mind alone, and that.

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Speaker 1: Just it broke their statistical models. It forced the CIA

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the Pentagon to admit this was real physics that they

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just didn't understand yet.

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Speaker 2: You'd think after providing them with, as he called it,

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the roadmap to the human soul, he would have been celebrated.

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He was screaming at officials in the Pentagon to wake

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up that the Russians were doing this too, But that's.

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Speaker 1: Not what happened.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't rewarded, he was used, and then he was erased.

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Speaker 1: When the Cold War threat started to fade, they decided

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the risk of this information getting out was greater than

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its usefulness, so they just classified everything and.

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Speaker 2: Forgot about him. His bitterness about that is so clear

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in the transcripts. He said, it became classified, so I

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couldn't talk about it anymore, and later on everybody forgot

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about me. Because of that.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't teach it, he couldn't write about it publicly.

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The machine just locked it all away.

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Speaker 2: It stripped him of his own life's work, the things

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he loved, his art, his writing. He said, they were

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given short shrift because the government didn't care about the man.

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They wanted the weapon.

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Speaker 1: They wanted the walking analysis factory, the mechanic, not the creator.

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Speaker 2: And when the tool was no longer needed, they put

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it back in the box and locked it. They tried

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to classify a mind. They could walk through walls. It's

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just it's the ultimate tragedy.

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Speaker 1: But you can't really put consciousness in a box. After

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the government work, after the classification, he didn't just stop.

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Speaker 2: No, he pivoted. He was done with finding Russian submarines.

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He was done with thermis bottles. He shifted his focus

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from military targets to the universe itself.

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Speaker 1: He started exploring the nature of the astral body, the

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ability to travel not just to the next city, but

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to other galaxies.

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Speaker 2: He saw consciousness as a traveler. That was his word

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for it. It could go where the physical body couldn't,

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to the far galaxies. For him, this wasn't philosophy. It

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was just a technical application of what he had already

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proven in the lab.

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Speaker 1: He had this great quote about it. Someone asked him

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about going out of body and he just.

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Speaker 2: Laughed at off. He said, sweetheart, just because you're here,

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I'm having one of my few in the body.

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Speaker 1: Experiences that says at all, doesn't it? For him, being

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in the body was the weird temporary state.

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Speaker 2: His default was non local. He'd say, I am not

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this body. In terms of consciousness, the prison wasn't the lab.

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It was being attached to the physical brain.

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Speaker 1: And he started expressing this through his art right, creating

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these huge, incredible paintings of other worlds and energies.

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Speaker 2: Things that human eye isn't supposed to see. He called

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it distant Sea, and he was very clear, this ability

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flying over the Earth, entering someone else's mind, it's not

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a miracle.

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Speaker 1: He called it a technical skill.

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Speaker 2: A technical skill, he used the Sanskrit word city, which

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means an attainment or a power, something you have to

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practice and master, like playing the piano. It's just a

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skill our culture has forgotten and suppressed.

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Speaker 1: And if it's a skill that means anyone can learn it,

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you don't need to be born special. You just need

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the haartware, the seventeen senses, and you need to remove

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the software block, which.

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Speaker 2: Leads to his final big challenge to our way of thinking. Yea,

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the inside versus the outside.

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Speaker 1: We're all programmed to excess about the external world. The

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outside that's what's real, that's what's measurable.

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Speaker 2: But Swan said, no, the internal universe, the inside, that's

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the real engine. He said, we're all insiders. And he

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had this simple little thought experiment to prove it, the

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oval challenge. Yes, you tell the audience visualize an oval.

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Now make it red, Now make it blue. Now put

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the face of someone you hate inside it.

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Speaker 1: And everyone could do it instantly.

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Speaker 2: Instantly, And then he'd ask the question that science still

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can't answer, how did you do that?

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Speaker 1: Right? Science can explain how your eye sees a red oval.

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It can't explain how your mind creates one out of nothing.

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Speaker 2: And his point was profound. If you can create a

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perfect reality inside your head instantly, then you can connect

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that internal creative power to the external world once you

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get past that sixteen bit filter.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible thought and it.

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Speaker 2: Led to his ultimate conclusion about what a human being

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really is. His final statement on it, you are a

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creator engine. Mask is a biological drone.

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Speaker 1: We're running on the factory settings, and they're nowhere near

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our actual potential.

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Speaker 2: Which brings us to today. Why did he leave this warning.

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It wasn't just to talk about his past. It was

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a prediction and a challenge.

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Speaker 1: He predicted that within about thirty years, mainstream science would

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finally have to admit that all this paranormal stuff is

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just normal physics, physics we just didn't.

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Speaker 2: Understand yet, and he said it's already happening. They're not

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calling it esp of course, they're using new.

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Speaker 1: Terms biocommunications, bioinformation transfer, neurobiology.

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Speaker 2: They're mapping the hardware, they're studying the pineal gland, the

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seventeen senses. They're basically reverse engineering the Ferrari without ever

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giving credit to the original drivers who were locked away.

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Speaker 1: And Swan saw danger in that, didn't he.

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Speaker 2: A huge danger? He warned that machines are being built

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right now to replicate what your brain already does naturally.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He was afraid we'd be offered a technological substitute before

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we remembered we had the original hardware built in.

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Speaker 1: He wanted us to win, not the machines.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he wanted humanity to claim its birthright. He made

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this incredibly powerful statement, which I think is for everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 2: He said? Remote viewing is surely to be considered a

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species phenomenon, not a phenomenon of given individuals. It belongs

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to you, Boks, to your children. It is your birth.

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Speaker 1: But the programming is strong. The modern world is the

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ultimate distraction machine, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's designed to keep you looking at your phone, at

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that external sixteen bit feed. It keeps you from looking

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inward at your pineal gland, at the other seventeen senses.

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It keeps your potential classified from yourself.

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Speaker 1: But the hardware is still there.

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Speaker 2: The hardware is still there. The seventeen senses are firing,

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the eleven million bits per second are streaming in right now.

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You are right this second, a vastly more capable, more

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sensitive being than you've ever been told. The only thing

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stopping you is the program that says it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: So let's just do a final recap here. Let's let

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these facts really sink in. We've learned today from classified

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government research that you possess at least seventeen senses, but.

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Speaker 2: Your conscious mind only gets sixteen bits of information out

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of an eleven million bit stream every second.

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Speaker 1: Your pinial gland is a planetary instrument. It can sense

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solar flares ninety three million miles away and potentially even

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future earthquakes.

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Speaker 2: And your consciousness is a proven physical force capable of

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changing the temperature of matter. Sealed inside a.

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Speaker 1: Drum Ingo Swan lived this reality for two decades, push

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the limits of what a human can do, and all

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he got for it was to be classified and forgotten.

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Speaker 2: He realized the deepest lock on this potential isn't in

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some government vault. It's the programming inside your own head,

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the voice that tells you the ocean of reality doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: The state classified the technology of the mind. But the

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key to unlocking your own is still right there.

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Speaker 2: And so considering Swan's beliefs that these abilities are written

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into your DNA and that you're only consciously aware of

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sixteen bits out of eleven million. We want to leave

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you with his ultimate challenge, a question for you to

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really think about.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to declassify your own mind? And what

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do you think is the first step society should take

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if this immense human potential has proven undeniably true.

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Speaker 2: Let us know what you think. Drop into the comments

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and tell us your thoughts. What's the first step for

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you for society? We'd love to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. If