Speaker 1: All right, that's super loud, and I'm only gonna get louder. Okay,
Speaker 1: we go, Okay, bulky interesting development in the world of
Speaker 1: off topic he might be interested in hearing. I was
Speaker 1: talking with a good friend of mine, he says.
Speaker 2: Uh, who listens to the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he started listening to the show. He likes
Speaker 1: what we're about. He appreciates our opinions on movies. But
Speaker 1: he had an interesting criticism that I wanted to run
Speaker 1: past year.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He tells me that it's ridiculous that we are not
Speaker 1: spoiling these movies for people. That he said. People want
Speaker 1: confirmation that a movie either sucked or was awesome, and
Speaker 1: they want to hear other reviewers talk about whether what
Speaker 1: are the things that they liked and the things they
Speaker 1: didn't like. He was listening to our weapons episode, and
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of twists and turns as
Speaker 1: to how we get there, and like in a in
Speaker 1: a non linear fashion in that movie. Go ahead, do you.
Speaker 2: Feel like I mean, as far as like review, I mean,
Speaker 2: we still tell you whether we liked it or didn't
Speaker 2: like it, or whether it was good or bad without
Speaker 2: the spoilers.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, to an extent, yes.
Speaker 2: And so that we need more feedback on like are
Speaker 2: people listening to this show prior to seeing the movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or are are they listening to it, you know, after
Speaker 2: the fact, after the fact, or are they listening to
Speaker 2: it to like Okay, I'm gonna see what what Ben
Speaker 2: and Balky say about this movie before I decide to
Speaker 2: go see it, right, Yeah, you know, And and I
Speaker 2: don't know how people because everybody consumes media differently.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a I mean, we obviously don't have the
Speaker 1: time nor dexterity to do it. There's a handful of
Speaker 1: people that do a spoiler free one and then a
Speaker 1: spoiler one like saying like check this out. I want
Speaker 1: to determine. They do two of them, but like they're
Speaker 1: only six or seven minutes long. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: quick one hitter about what's happening, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: can come back after. I think it's like Jeremy John's
Speaker 1: or something like that. He's one of the more prominent
Speaker 1: YouTube viewers right now, and not mad. It's just that's
Speaker 1: somebody who who has opinions that remain pretty consistent. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, come back after you see it. Nutes yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and then see what I thought about it
Speaker 1: and what parts ticked me off and what parts did
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's an interesting take on it,
Speaker 1: for sure. But the end of the day, it's all
Speaker 1: about consistency, right, Like, as long as your voice is
Speaker 1: consistent in what you like and don't mind, I think
Speaker 1: we can.
Speaker 2: We can explore doing more spoiler stuff, you know, in
Speaker 2: future episodes. I think for this one, as as you
Speaker 2: alluded to in our conversation about this movie, Pogonia, Pogonia
Speaker 2: it is, it would be a disservice to do any
Speaker 2: spoilers for this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like saying, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: Tyler Durden is is two people pretendingly, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a similar idea. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is built on almost like a will they won't they
Speaker 1: kind of moment, and so I would hate to ruin
Speaker 1: that for the purposes of this movie. But maybe going
Speaker 1: forward we we will announce at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode where we'll let you into Dell so so And.
Speaker 2: Here's the Here's the great thing about it is you
Speaker 2: have to download it to find out whether we're going
Speaker 2: to spoil it or not, and then if you choose
Speaker 2: not to listen to it, that's fine because we got
Speaker 2: your down. We we're good on that then. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense. So this movie was now number Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's just set the listeners up here. This is
Speaker 2: a film by I don't know, I guess famed director.
Speaker 2: Would you would you say famed the director? His name is.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I'm pronouncing it right. Yourgos
Speaker 2: lanthemos yeky solid Greek individual? Is he Greek?
Speaker 1: You listen to that man? That's Greek as hell?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he is Greek? Okay, sorry and uh. It
Speaker 2: is a English language remake of the South Korean film
Speaker 2: which came out twenty two years ago called Save the
Speaker 2: Green Planet Okay by Jun Huan Jang or or Jang
Speaker 2: Jun Huan is is the person who directed that. This
Speaker 2: movie follows the story of two young men. Okay, that
Speaker 2: kidnap a CEO of a very powerful pharmaceutical company, believing
Speaker 2: that she is secretly an alien who is hell bent
Speaker 2: on destroying Earth.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yes.
Speaker 2: It stars Emma Stone, Jesse Flemons, Aiden, Delvis Stavros, Hukias.
Speaker 1: Yep from another solid Greek.
Speaker 2: From the Yeah, I wonder if they if that's why
Speaker 2: he he hosts the Cometown podcast or actually he used
Speaker 2: to was one of the.
Speaker 1: I was wondering why this sounds like I'm being ironic.
Speaker 1: I've never listened to the podcast, but he's popped up
Speaker 1: on my social media's in like thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Comic he's a comic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Alicia Silverstone is in this as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get into this. Number one. Does this
Speaker 2: and I know it came out in late October early November.
Speaker 2: Does this feel like it has any holds any water
Speaker 2: as far as award season goes?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, totally yes. Really, I'm already seen Movie
Speaker 1: of the Year buzz going around.
Speaker 2: I saw that too, but I never you know, I
Speaker 2: never really buy into this.
Speaker 1: Oh, it could be off topic with Ben and Bulky
Speaker 1: say this is the movie the year?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, there's so many different groups that do this that
Speaker 1: you can pull out clip.
Speaker 2: There was a movie that came out as based on
Speaker 2: a Steve Martin novella called shop Girl. This this came out,
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, like twenty some years ago. Starts
Speaker 2: Steve Martin and Claire Danes okay, okay, And I remember
Speaker 2: the buzz on this was like, oh my god, that
Speaker 2: Steve Martin is gonna win. He's a shoe in for
Speaker 2: you know, Best Original screen or Best Adapted Screenplay. And
Speaker 2: Claire Danes is going to be hard to beat. At
Speaker 2: Oscar time, neither one of them were.
Speaker 1: Nomine Yeah, I remember that movie, Like that goes to
Speaker 1: show you how you don't remember of the zeitgeist. It
Speaker 1: really impacted. There's nothing there.
Speaker 2: So then for a film that comes out this early
Speaker 2: in October, yeah, I'm like, I have my concerns, but
Speaker 2: you believe, like, okay, this this has some staying power.
Speaker 1: There's some stay in power there. It's based the original.
Speaker 1: The Korean version of this movie is actually much more
Speaker 1: popular amongst film people than I realized.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, jinhu Jang, who directed the original, was slated
Speaker 2: to direct this one as well. Oh wow, And then
Speaker 2: he bowed out, like the wheel started getting in motion
Speaker 2: in this five years ago for this Pogonia flick. And
Speaker 2: then somehow there was a directorial change and he was
Speaker 2: out and Lanthimos took over, which I thought was I mean,
Speaker 2: I've never seen any of Jang's movies, so I can't
Speaker 2: compare it, but I do know what Lanthemos is capable of, right,
Speaker 2: and he didn't disappoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. And it's interesting because, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen Battle Royale, which is
Speaker 1: it's a Korean take on Hunger Games, Like you watch
Speaker 1: it and they put a bunch of it, and it
Speaker 1: came out before Hunger Games. I think that's probably an
Speaker 1: important distinction here, and I would argue, if you're comfortable
Speaker 1: reading a movie instead of watching a movie, pound for pound,
Speaker 1: it's way better than Hunger Games. Seeing this movie and
Speaker 1: hearing that it was a more gritty, realist take on
Speaker 1: the Originals movie makes me want to see the Korean
Speaker 1: version of it because I am a fan of the
Speaker 1: weird and the strange and the unusual, and this movie
Speaker 1: has that in spades. But when people ask me, John
Speaker 1: Jordan walked past, He's like, you saw Bagonia, what'd you think?
Speaker 1: I said, if I had to give you a way, no, okay,
Speaker 1: And I said, if I had to give you a
Speaker 1: one sentence review, it was it was an incredibly strange movie.
Speaker 1: I liked it quite a bit, but I wish it
Speaker 1: were stranger, like there was a lot.
Speaker 2: Just what you said. Somebody told you that, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Somebody at the theater.
Speaker 1: Told you, yes, yes, the ticket taker said it. And
Speaker 1: then I went in there. Whether she poisoned my belief
Speaker 1: or otherwise, I was sitting there expecting it to get
Speaker 1: a little more loopy, and it most certainly does at times.
Speaker 1: It'll keep you on the edge of your seat. And
Speaker 1: we'll get more into that in the second in a
Speaker 1: very suspenseful kind of way. But say, hearing this described
Speaker 1: is a gritty, realistic take. Maybe it's because again diving
Speaker 1: into the subtext here, a lot of parallels between the
Speaker 1: real world and today with conspiracy theorists and doing your
Speaker 1: own research and jumping to conclusions based on your own
Speaker 1: preconceived notions, a lot of a lot of parallels, or
Speaker 1: at least I see them given my line of work.
Speaker 1: Maybe that that that exists in the real world here,
Speaker 1: But definitely I wouldn't describe it as realistic at times,
Speaker 1: But here we are.
Speaker 2: There was another like this is sort of like another
Speaker 2: have and have not conflict to an extent that we
Speaker 2: saw on roof. Man, I feel like this this has
Speaker 2: been a recurring theme. Good Fortune was the other one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, realistically, almost anything long walk long Walk, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: long Walk Running Man is going.
Speaker 2: To be there totally. When does that come up?
Speaker 1: By the fourteenth, So we got a week that we
Speaker 1: have to figure it out.
Speaker 2: I have some ideas for our next perfect We'll get
Speaker 2: to that at the end. Okay, So realistic take the
Speaker 2: way that this was set. Okay, So here's the other
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to bring up with you. It is
Speaker 2: clear in this movie that and we're not spoiling anything.
Speaker 2: Jesse Plemmons his character, and Aiden delviis his character. These
Speaker 2: are the two that are are the conspiracy theorists, right,
Speaker 2: and really, if you look at this, Plemmons is the
Speaker 2: guy that's guiding Don Teddy. Teddy is guiding his cousin Don,
Speaker 2: who is clearly has an intellectual.
Speaker 1: Best performance in the movie in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Now, did you know this Aiden Delvis is on the
Speaker 2: autism spectrum? I did not guess thats so he and
Speaker 2: this is like his first feature film.
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: He was really good. He was phenomenal, and and perhaps
Speaker 2: the reason he was so good was because he wasn't acting. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, he was acting, but but he actually has autism.
Speaker 1: It's it's the same idea. So I grew up, I
Speaker 1: worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities, So
Speaker 1: it's always in the back of my mind when people
Speaker 1: are being jerks about it. I remember back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight when Johnny Knoxville's The Ringer came out
Speaker 1: and everybody was ready to crap on that movie because
Speaker 1: it used people with real special needs and he was
Speaker 1: competing against him in the Olympics. Yep, every single one
Speaker 1: of those people have gone on to be seen in
Speaker 1: other movies, and everyone at that camp that was all
Speaker 1: the counselor's favorite movie of the side, Like I love
Speaker 1: that movie. And this followed, I love when they actually
Speaker 1: get the people. I'd rather you find somebody with the
Speaker 1: deficiency put them in the in the role rather than
Speaker 1: have somebody who has developed in a more normal way
Speaker 1: trying to pretend.
Speaker 2: And this goes back to the I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: debate should straight actors play gay characters, should gay characters
Speaker 2: play straight or should gay actors play straight? You know,
Speaker 2: and and I don't know, Like for me, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, if you're good, you're good.
Speaker 1: Yes, do it. That's a little different to me. I
Speaker 1: feel like you can swing back. Yeah, that's a different
Speaker 1: question in my opinion at the very least. But that's
Speaker 1: a fair point. That's definitely a fair point. You're making
Speaker 1: me questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still see it on the on the same
Speaker 2: plane field. Yeah, and maybe I shouldn't, but but I
Speaker 2: still see that. Not that again. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get bogged down in that. Yeah, that's what this is.
Speaker 1: In any event, This isn't outside the box conference a thousand.
Speaker 1: But I want to say, in a movie where Jesse
Speaker 1: Plemons and Emma Stone were phenomenal, uh, they weren't the
Speaker 1: best performance in my opinion, And I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that he was when I came out of the movie
Speaker 1: thinking that, I'm like, no, that guy will see him
Speaker 1: again and stuff, because uh, I thought I thought he
Speaker 1: played the role very well, very clearly representative of He
Speaker 1: goes with the flow right, Like you said, they're both
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists realistically, one of his and one guy's looking
Speaker 1: for something to believe him.
Speaker 2: Well, he he talks about how how much Don talks
Speaker 2: about how special Teddy is to him and how much
Speaker 2: he loves him, so he's clearly just you know, is
Speaker 2: clinging on to whatever Teddy's telling him, like you know,
Speaker 2: and then Teddy kind of I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: whole lot of mental abuse that he does to that character,
Speaker 2: to Don, but there is a certain amount of like
Speaker 2: I for selfish reasons, Yeah, I need somebody else to
Speaker 2: help me with this, and and and he is is
Speaker 2: the guy he chooses. Now, more casting stuff before we
Speaker 2: get into the actual plot. Alicia Silverstone, you said you
Speaker 2: didn't even recognize it, didn't recognize her. Now she's basically
Speaker 2: in what three scenes I want to say, probably.
Speaker 1: Not probably not ninety seconds cumulatively in the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, it's more than ninety seconds. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into this whole argument again,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely more than ninety seconds. A right, fine,
Speaker 2: the first scene alone that she's in that that has
Speaker 2: to be more.
Speaker 1: Than maybe I just maybe I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: All right. So so she plays Eddy's mom Teddy's mom
Speaker 2: in it. And then the other guy that Stavros I
Speaker 2: can't remember what his name was, the podcast host. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that's basically the cast man. Yep is it's very tight.
Speaker 2: It's it's you get great character development. I thought for
Speaker 2: for Plemmon's character. I thought the character development for Don
Speaker 2: was really good too. For Iden Delvis and uh, you
Speaker 2: know Amma Stone, she her her performance was good, Like
Speaker 2: it was fine. I didn't. I didn't really, I'm I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's you want to know.
Speaker 1: What's stuck out about it to me is it's one
Speaker 1: of the first times that I have ever seen like
Speaker 1: there was no damsel in distress elements to what she
Speaker 1: was Like. She did it in a very there was
Speaker 1: almost no panic, which when you hear about CEOs and like,
Speaker 1: there's a very cold, clinical attitude that they take, and
Speaker 1: she kind of maintains that even when she's chained up
Speaker 1: in a basement with a couple of people that are
Speaker 1: clearly a bit nuts.
Speaker 2: Yes, clearly I think that that you have to understand there.
Speaker 2: I was never expecting a damsel in distress based on
Speaker 2: the opening what twenty minutes of the film. Sure, she
Speaker 2: is a massive alpha yeah, you know, like woman man,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Like she is in control of every
Speaker 2: aspect of her life. And you knew that she didn't
Speaker 2: get there by being a Patsy or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So the way that she reacted was totally the way
Speaker 2: I would expect her to react. Now, I will say,
Speaker 2: the performance goes where you know, she is believed by
Speaker 2: these two guys to be an alien, that is that
Speaker 2: is trying to destroy earth, right, put, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 2: you this question every podcast? Who are you in this movie?
Speaker 1: Ben? See? There there weren't enough characters. Probably I'm a
Speaker 1: stone right to a certain extent. But there there's one
Speaker 1: line where she talks about winners and losers, which isn't
Speaker 1: how I'm wired. So like that that was distinct from
Speaker 1: from who I am. But what's funny is is you,
Speaker 1: if you ask my listeners, I'm probably closer to Teddy
Speaker 1: than anybody, just because, like I will acknowledge, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's probably some I mean, the hell, how
Speaker 1: many times do you joke with me that I'm the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. I'll tell you that sports are ring, right,
Speaker 1: and I'll deal with all this kind of stuff. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of first who he is to the nth degree,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: But you would never go to the nth degree like
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, unless, of course I knew Chauncey Phillips rigged
Speaker 1: it in favor of Green.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't go to them. Okay, so I will say
Speaker 2: one of the at least for me, you go back
Speaker 2: and forth in this. I think there is a good
Speaker 2: long period of this film where I believe that this
Speaker 2: is a commentary on conspiracy theorists in general. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: and this guy is clearly unhinged. You see kind of
Speaker 2: why he's unhinged and how that character became to be
Speaker 2: the person that he is in this movie. And then
Speaker 2: it switched at some point, and I don't know exactly when.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just it wasn't like a flip of the
Speaker 2: switch where all of a sudden I'm like, God, is
Speaker 2: she an alien? Yeah, it was more of like a transition,
Speaker 2: and there was maybe there was just some clues laid
Speaker 2: in some of the scenes, and I'm kind of wondering.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, this is not what a human would do,
Speaker 2: is it? And but I still never really question And
Speaker 2: then towards the end you really question it. You're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm saying this are the conspiracy theorists
Speaker 2: right in this? And I'll give you the spoiler you
Speaker 2: find out one way or the other in this which
Speaker 2: was satisfying to memm that that we found out you know,
Speaker 2: who was correct, who was not correct. And I do
Speaker 2: think now that I you know, you talk about Emma
Speaker 2: Stone's performance. For her to go back and forth of
Speaker 2: threatening these guys than placating them, then admitting that she
Speaker 2: was an alien, you don't know if that's the truth.
Speaker 2: You don't know if she's messing with them. I think
Speaker 2: clearly she's on a higher intellectual level sure than both
Speaker 2: of these two guys are. And so you don't know,
Speaker 2: so from that standpoint, and you know, and keeping you
Speaker 2: wondering whether she is, you know, some sort of being
Speaker 2: from outer space that's you know, in a human body.
Speaker 2: I think from that standpoint, her performance was really good
Speaker 2: and I, you know, thinking about it now, it's just like,
Speaker 2: think about all the different ways she has to play
Speaker 2: this character in order for the audience to be on
Speaker 2: the edge of their seats, guessing themselves, trying to figure
Speaker 2: it out themselves this whole time too. So while I
Speaker 2: thought that Plemmons, I was more interested in him as
Speaker 2: the movie went on, obviously you get much more interested
Speaker 2: in Emma Stone's character. And its Michelle Fuller, which was
Speaker 2: her name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a much more impressive feat to keep
Speaker 1: people on the edge of their seat when it's a
Speaker 1: slow burn like this movie is. There were So I
Speaker 1: went on a Monday as opposed to a Tuesday. I
Speaker 1: normally catch the five dollars movies, which pulls more people out. Yep.
Speaker 1: I was in a theater with four people today, which
Speaker 1: is Monday, so that's not my normal experience. In preparation
Speaker 1: for this show, I found myself in the first thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: I was like, what were people saying about this movie
Speaker 1: because it was so slow? And some people were like
Speaker 1: I got forty five minutes in and walked out, uh
Speaker 1: oh really yes, wow because it was just too slow.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, like I wasn't ever considering that
Speaker 1: part of it, but just to get a feel for it.
Speaker 1: And so apparently a lot of people. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's the short attention span we always hear about
Speaker 1: right now or what it is. Yeah, but to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it was on that level, but
Speaker 1: to me, the master of slow scenes where nothing happens,
Speaker 1: punctuated with intense violence or a jaw dropping moment is
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino?
Speaker 2: Yes, but and he does it too. I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: say this, you finish your thought here, and then I
Speaker 2: have some stuff to say about Tarantino as opposed to
Speaker 2: Lathemos here. Yeah, and by the way, weapons, didn't we
Speaker 2: also get the title card for weapons like twenty five minutes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, keep going on. But I say all
Speaker 1: that to say, like, you take inglorious bastards. For example,
Speaker 1: in the first scene with the jew Hunter, and at
Speaker 1: one point the guy's lighting his pipe. Now they're emphasizing
Speaker 1: him lighting the pipe because the pipe is an important
Speaker 1: part of that scene if you've ever seen the movie.
Speaker 1: But when you're watching it and you don't know where
Speaker 1: the scene is building, you're like, why am I watching
Speaker 1: this guy light a pipe for forty five goddamn seconds?
Speaker 1: Like this movie's two and a half hours long. We
Speaker 1: really didn't have to make this that long. I felt
Speaker 1: myself feeling that way, And I don't feel like this
Speaker 1: film here kind of mastered that art as much as
Speaker 1: Tarantino did. But at the same time, once it got going,
Speaker 1: I was in for the rod. Yeah, but it does
Speaker 1: take a second several seconds for you to get there.
Speaker 2: So regarding the Tarantino thing, like, listen, I think I
Speaker 2: have made up my mind that everything he makes as gold. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I just I can't unbiasedly talk about him. Sure,
Speaker 2: his personal assistant I play in a fantasy football league with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she was going to be a guest on my
Speaker 2: show one night.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And this was many years ago. And I get a
Speaker 2: phone call about fifteen minute it's before we go we're
Speaker 2: going live, and on the caller I d is landline.
Speaker 2: It was my cell phone. On the caller ID Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2: I'm like what and she was She's like, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I might be a few minutes late. I'm showing some
Speaker 2: woman around Quinton's place, so so don't don't worry if
Speaker 2: I don't pop on right away. I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: pretty nice that you're just, you know, some sexual conquest
Speaker 2: for Tarantino. You're giving a tour of his pad in
Speaker 2: Malibu or whatever. Okay, So regards to Tarantino, I think
Speaker 2: that he a lot of the stuff he does, at
Speaker 2: least his later works. To me, maybe I'm just too stupid, Ben, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but to me, a lot like hateful late there are
Speaker 2: some long stretches in that movie Jackie Brown, I think
Speaker 2: to a certain extent as well, which I know is
Speaker 2: not one of his later works. Stuff I didn't need
Speaker 2: to see. Sure, I'm just and like, I didn't understand
Speaker 2: the point of it. It wasn't setting up anything. What
Speaker 2: was the one the DiCaprio one Once upon time in
Speaker 2: Hollywood had those moment like that, the whole Brad Pitt
Speaker 2: scene with Bruce Dern is that I'm like, Jesus, what
Speaker 2: in the hell is just?
Speaker 1: And I felt like, but see, the thing is, I
Speaker 1: think it's what's built into our subconsciousness. It's Tarantinos, so
Speaker 1: I know it's going somewhere I didn't have.
Speaker 2: But my point is that it doesn't always go somewhere
Speaker 2: with him like that that went nowhere, but.
Speaker 1: The overarching you know the movie. At some point you're
Speaker 1: going to come out of that movie and be like,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: He always pays pays off the audience.
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't have that guarantee with you.
Speaker 2: You don't because you don't know exactly. And and now
Speaker 2: I'm thinking the way that you know, because I've been
Speaker 2: watching a lot more movies since we started doing this podcast.
Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking, like it is just a normal not
Speaker 2: plot device. What am I trying to say here? A
Speaker 2: normal aspect of modern cinema to have just these slow
Speaker 2: paces movie scenes where all of a sudden all hell
Speaker 2: breaks loose because it enhances the the the drama and
Speaker 2: and the sharp I agree, you know, And I feel
Speaker 2: like I've been bringing that up a lot of the
Speaker 2: last four or five episodes, and I just think that's
Speaker 2: what people do now. Now, whether that's a commentary as
Speaker 2: you were saying earlier on people's expans or whatever, this
Speaker 2: is the way you have to shock people. But these directors,
Speaker 2: these screenwriters, these actors, editors, cinematographers, whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2: They know they have you in the dark for two hours, right,
Speaker 2: and how they utilize those two hours is up to them.
Speaker 2: And I think that that a lot of people have
Speaker 2: gone to this aspect of listen, we're gonna bore you
Speaker 2: to death, to the point where like, God, I can't
Speaker 2: believe I'm watching this till all of a sudden something happens.
Speaker 2: You're like, that's why they did it? Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: think there was at least two or three that's why
Speaker 2: they did it. Moments in this film.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, I can think of at least three
Speaker 1: right off the top of my head. So I did.
Speaker 1: That feels like a fair assessment that it's It's an
Speaker 1: interesting way to approach it. I understand that it's not
Speaker 1: going to be for everybody. Yeah, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I leaned into when I said I expected it to
Speaker 1: be weirder, Like there's probably a solid hour where it
Speaker 1: just feels like a normal hostage movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, to be real.
Speaker 1: Uh. Jesse Plemans plays Todd in the final in the
Speaker 1: final season of Breaking Bad with Jesse in the.
Speaker 2: Here's the difference. Here's the difference. There was much more
Speaker 2: emotion in this film with Teddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Todd, okay.
Speaker 2: Todd was was very emotionless and very la fair with
Speaker 2: with a lot of stuff. But Teddy was not.
Speaker 1: But okay, eventually, when what you think about when they
Speaker 1: first meet, though, he's like, put the lotion on you.
Speaker 1: It's very clinical. He puts a suit on. He's like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a normal We're gonna we're gonna be
Speaker 1: professional about this. There is an element of institutionalized. I
Speaker 1: compare it to uh, what what's what's the terminus in walking,
Speaker 1: walking dead, where like they're knocking people in the back
Speaker 1: of the head, slitting their throats in the traw and
Speaker 1: then three people just show up, like how many bodies
Speaker 1: you have? They're like fourteen, They're like okay, and the
Speaker 1: Mark it's not evil, it's just food. And that was
Speaker 1: kind of how Todd carried himself with Jesse, and that's
Speaker 1: how Jesse Plemons Teddy carries himself with Emma Stone in
Speaker 1: this movie as well. Not to say he's typecaster doesn't
Speaker 1: have any range, but I think he would find a
Speaker 1: lot of parallels between the Civil War.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, wasn't he sort of an unfeeling cold hearted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the I know you're gonna knock me. For
Speaker 1: the ninety seconds he was in that movie.
Speaker 2: Well he was hard. Yeah, Okay, realize, Yeah he's.
Speaker 1: The best part of the movie. Yes, yeah, she's the
Speaker 1: main actress, but he's in it. He plays the best
Speaker 1: kind of racist, like just like he makes you feel
Speaker 1: it even as a white guy watch him, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be bad for these people, Like the
Speaker 1: second he shows up on the scene and he is
Speaker 1: You could even go to a game night with Rachel
Speaker 1: McAdams and Jason Bateman a comedy movie. He plays the
Speaker 1: next door neighbor. He recently left him, and he was
Speaker 1: the creepy monotone guy who holds the little dog like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you have the three bags of chips over
Speaker 1: there if you're not having a party.
Speaker 2: You know his nicknames. I've heard Fat Damon because he
Speaker 2: looks sure, I mean when he put out all that
Speaker 2: weight for the Irishman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I've also heard, and this was from Breaking Bad,
Speaker 2: they call him meth Damon, you know, because there are
Speaker 2: there are some elements and he does have that creepy
Speaker 2: kind of like cold shark eyes, you know, Yes, they're
Speaker 2: just empty.
Speaker 1: And also I use the U have Do you are
Speaker 1: you a Black Mirror person? Do you know what that calister?
Speaker 2: No, I listen this is Is this the doppelganger move?
Speaker 2: Or No, that's orphan black right? Yeah, okay, I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about Black.
Speaker 1: Black Mirror is an anthology series where every episode is different.
Speaker 1: It takes place in the future, and the long and
Speaker 1: short of it is I don't want to take too
Speaker 1: long on it. He is an it guy that creates
Speaker 1: an entire virtual reality where he's like essentially Captain Kirk
Speaker 1: in Star Trek, like he is the leader of a
Speaker 1: ship and everyone else is his subordinates. But what he
Speaker 1: did was take everybody's personality, Like essentially he'd take one
Speaker 1: of your hairs, Bulky, if you were an enemy of
Speaker 1: his the real world, he'd get one of your hairs
Speaker 1: and essentially put a version of you in this and
Speaker 1: treat you like shit while you're in there, and he
Speaker 1: messes with people. It's a very dark episode.
Speaker 2: So what is the glue that holds Black Mirror together.
Speaker 2: There's not it's just a Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's very good. But in any event,
Speaker 1: he's on there and he's playing the same character. Again.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's examples of him not being that, but
Speaker 1: I sure as hell heaven.
Speaker 2: He was a sweetheart in the Friday Night Lights TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, see I never saw that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he was like this nerd who had a
Speaker 2: crush on the cheerleader, the head cheerleader, or without the
Speaker 2: head cheerleader, but one of the main cheerleaders who was
Speaker 2: dating the big stud football but you know, full back
Speaker 2: on the team. And then he eventually makes the team,
Speaker 2: he gets the girl, and it was it was a
Speaker 2: real cool arc for him. Yeah, which is weird because
Speaker 2: that was the first time I ever saw him in anything.
Speaker 1: Sure, and then you watch.
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad and it's just all this weird good good
Speaker 2: for him his career, like it's it's taking off. He's
Speaker 2: he's doing a lot of awesome stuff.
Speaker 1: It's the mark of a good actor. You'll find yourself
Speaker 1: feeling that way in this movie as well, like you
Speaker 1: won't like him at times, other times you'll be incredibly
Speaker 1: sympathetic towards and you'll find yourself bouncing back and forth
Speaker 1: over the course of two hours. And it's it really
Speaker 1: is a testament to what he's able to do with
Speaker 1: this role.
Speaker 2: The sheriff when he stops by, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Because well, I was going to ask you, I was
Speaker 1: gonna because they don't did I zoe out? Do we
Speaker 1: know what happened? I'll just ask they imply something happened
Speaker 1: in their past.
Speaker 2: It used to be a babysitter, used to be to Todd,
Speaker 2: He used to be Teddy's babysitter. It's implied that at
Speaker 2: least I don't know molestation.
Speaker 1: That's what I took it as. And I was like,
Speaker 1: did I miss something or am I making a jump, and
Speaker 1: what does that say about me? If I'm making this jump?
Speaker 2: It's never clearly pointed out, and it's not really explored,
Speaker 2: no too much in it or maybe if when you know,
Speaker 2: when the listeners, when they see it, they'll have a
Speaker 2: different take on it. But I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: because I didn't. It was very clear, and that's just
Speaker 2: that's what I surmised.
Speaker 1: So I'll take it on a quick sixty second outside
Speaker 1: the box tour here. The fact that you told me
Speaker 1: that it was five years ago this movie was put
Speaker 1: in production only further is what I thought. I thought
Speaker 1: this was an indictment on if you know what QAnon is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: QAnon culture and what lends itself to buying into that
Speaker 1: kind of philosophy. And you have the isolated guy doesn't
Speaker 1: have his parents in his life anymore, clearly taken advantage
Speaker 1: of in some way that isn't explored in a meaningful
Speaker 1: way by the people that were in his life before,
Speaker 1: without a whole lot of outlets to be able to
Speaker 1: improve upon himself. And the only person that he can
Speaker 1: get to buy into his shtick is somebody who is
Speaker 1: in it even worse. And I'd argue, more vulnerable, Yeah,
Speaker 1: more vulnerable position than he is currently in kind of
Speaker 1: a testament to what lends itself to believing that there's
Speaker 1: a ring of pedophiles in a pizza shop in the basement,
Speaker 1: and kind of things of that nature. And the fact
Speaker 1: that you told me that this movie was slated to
Speaker 1: come out five years ago.
Speaker 2: Come out five years ago. This is what like when
Speaker 2: when it got the green light and then okay, let's
Speaker 2: production is going to begin. Let's get it, let's get
Speaker 2: at whatever. I didn't look I mean I could look
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 1: No, no, it doesn't matter, but I.
Speaker 2: May I have it up on my screen. I always
Speaker 2: like to have the sure the page open on these films.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the idea that it was talked about then,
Speaker 1: when it was more so on everybody's mind. Like I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody mention QAnon in four years, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Whereas the conspiracy theorist element was much
Speaker 1: more relevant, uh to society five or six years ago.
Speaker 1: Not to say that it's gone, but it was much
Speaker 1: more mainstream then.
Speaker 2: So so the original director, as I said, was the
Speaker 2: guy who directed Save the Green Planet. His name was
Speaker 2: Jang Jun Huan, and he was connected to direct back
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, okay, and then basically Will Tracy, I
Speaker 2: don't know who Will Tracy is. He adapted the screenplay.
Speaker 2: Ari Astor was one of the producers. And then basically
Speaker 2: nothing happened on this film for four years, okay, and
Speaker 2: then that's when the director got changed. I don't know
Speaker 2: if if if Jang had something else going.
Speaker 1: On, yeah that creative differences or.
Speaker 2: Creative differences or just couldn't do it. So then Lanthemos
Speaker 2: replaces him. And then shortly after, as you can guess,
Speaker 2: Emma Stone is attached to it because she does a
Speaker 2: lot with with Yorgo's Lanthemos. And then they add Jesse
Speaker 2: Plemons on in the summer, and then she's very picky
Speaker 2: and choosy by the way she should be. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's a two time Academy winner or nominee. I know
Speaker 2: she's aw I know she's she's been nominated at least twice.
Speaker 2: I know she's won at least once. Do you know
Speaker 2: Jesse Plemons was nominated for Academy. I believe that, I
Speaker 2: want to say for the Irishman. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, Emma Stone was the world's highest paid actress.
Speaker 2: About that. Yeah, and Time magazine listener is one of
Speaker 2: the most one hundred influential people in the world. I
Speaker 2: just think of Jonah Hill falling on top.
Speaker 1: Of her super button.
Speaker 2: What. Yeah, I just it's wild, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she's married to a guy from sn OL, which
Speaker 2: is like a producer. I don't know what he was
Speaker 2: a writer or something. She I'm trying to find the
Speaker 2: awards here that.
Speaker 1: I will say, well, you're looking it up. I found
Speaker 1: it strange because I thought we were past this point
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, but she's playing a forty five year old
Speaker 1: in this movie. And I'm like, wait, is she that
Speaker 1: much losing me? And she's thirty six, thirty six and
Speaker 1: they ever playing a forty five year old. I'm like, ah, so.
Speaker 2: We're back to the range of Emma Stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they even you remember what I'm talking about to
Speaker 1: even make a reference, So, like, am I supposed to
Speaker 1: believe you look like that and you're forty five? Because
Speaker 1: they're questioning her about being an alien, She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I have a hell of a skincare routine, right, And
Speaker 1: it's sure. But she's also younger than me, so like
Speaker 1: that definitely is something to do.
Speaker 2: All right, So I clearly underestimated what she's been able
Speaker 2: to do here. She won Best Actress at the Oscars
Speaker 2: for La La Land remember that felt with Trian Goslin.
Speaker 2: Then she gets nominated for Best Supporting Actress for The Favorite,
Speaker 2: which she did not win.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that one.
Speaker 2: The Favorite was another Yorgos Lanthemos, okay, and then she
Speaker 2: wins Best Actress with Yorgos Lanthemos Poor Things, which came
Speaker 2: out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's won Best Actress twice already. Yeah, at the
Speaker 2: age of thirty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now does she get a nomination here? Do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll have to see what ward season.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think I think she falls short. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know that she'll win, but I bet you
Speaker 1: she can. I don't think she gets nominated. She's got
Speaker 1: that name recognition. It's a unit and this.
Speaker 2: Is her like, this is her film, like she's not
Speaker 2: gonna have another one come out. Oh sure.
Speaker 1: And there's also an artistic element to it for sure,
Speaker 1: because you know they have her in the white paint
Speaker 1: she's bald for the for the bulk of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she took some chances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certain elements that I think awards ceremonies just love.
Speaker 1: I have some theories for why she wouldn't win them,
Speaker 1: but I'll save them from when we're chatting off the air.
Speaker 1: Not appropriate for this conversation, but I have a theory
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: But what is that? Is it because of what she
Speaker 2: did in this film?
Speaker 1: No, No, she's in the news for some other stuff
Speaker 1: the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: I did not realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nothing bad. But it's just it might screw
Speaker 1: with your capacity to win an award. I will say that,
Speaker 1: totally understand. But in any event, she's phenomenon. I've noticed
Speaker 1: the discourse coming online, and I don't know why we
Speaker 1: always have to pit people against one another, but if
Speaker 1: we must, people are saying of the two, because they're
Speaker 1: roughly the same demo, It's like, who do you think
Speaker 1: has had the more illustrious career? And it's her or
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence. Like this isn't even a close call in
Speaker 1: my opinion.
Speaker 2: But this is gonna be our first Jennifer Lawrence reference
Speaker 2: of the podcast. I have another one coming up before
Speaker 2: we're done.
Speaker 1: Oh jonderful. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think it's on a Stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even think it's close. I think it's close. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean Jennifer Lawrence is one best actress.
Speaker 1: Oh. I just think she's more if you're talking about
Speaker 1: it in terms of like an actual artiste, like the
Speaker 1: movies they're making. She does the Blockbuster, She's Hunger Games,
Speaker 1: she's Miss Emma Stone is like, paint me white and
Speaker 1: throw me in a basement and.
Speaker 2: I'll put me in comedy with Jonah Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: She did easy A too. It's not like she's doing
Speaker 2: all these like.
Speaker 1: No, but you got to get your start and then
Speaker 1: you kind of do your thing.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence, I mean like she got her start and.
Speaker 1: She's what's her artist movie?
Speaker 2: What was the one with Christian Bale? I thought she
Speaker 2: was really good in that American Hustle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, she wasn't terrible and that I kind
Speaker 1: of blacked that one out a little bit. That's what
Speaker 1: what are they art thieves or whatever?
Speaker 2: And she is not her husband essentially, it's not really
Speaker 2: an art they're just convent. Yeah, it's Christian Bale and
Speaker 2: Amy Adams are convent basically. So she was in that.
Speaker 2: She was in that biopic about the Oh God, the
Speaker 2: QBC woman Joy. Do you ever see Joy? I can't
Speaker 2: but that, but that was I mean, she got nominated
Speaker 2: for Best Actions.
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that get nominated, are the ones
Speaker 1: I've never heard of. So maybe I'm talking out of
Speaker 1: my ass here, so I'll just back off.
Speaker 2: But she does.
Speaker 1: I'll give the edge to Emma phil I would.
Speaker 2: Too, because of the two Best Actress awards. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as who's got the bigger net worth, it's
Speaker 2: got to be Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I would agree, So I would agree she's just picking
Speaker 1: and choosey. I mean the Zombielan movies. I think they
Speaker 1: could make one of those every three years, And she
Speaker 1: says I will come back once every ten years to
Speaker 1: do another Zombielan movie.
Speaker 2: Unless yeah, right, but yeah, always said like one of
Speaker 2: his goals was to not be poor enough where he
Speaker 2: needs to do an Ocean's fourteen. Yeah, and there's talk
Speaker 2: of doing an Ocean Sports. Oh of course, dude, it is.
Speaker 2: It's I don't think it's ever been to this advanced
Speaker 2: stage right now, Clooney as a whole script and everything,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be like, oh, what was the what
Speaker 2: was the film with Morgan Freeman? And they all go
Speaker 2: to Vegas? Is it last Vegas?
Speaker 1: You call it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And and that's sort of like what the theme of
Speaker 2: this is? And where the hell's it in? Like I
Speaker 2: love heist movies. Where the hell's the update on the
Speaker 2: Margot Robi or Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling Ocean's prequel where.
Speaker 1: They played Oh, I didn't even realize that was Oh, this.
Speaker 2: Was gonna be huge. It was gonna be said they
Speaker 2: were both set to to star in it. It was
Speaker 2: gonna be set in Europe, and they played Danny and
Speaker 2: I can't remember, God, who is She's in Gravity Speed
Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock. She was Debbie Ocean Ocean and she was
Speaker 2: Danny Ocean's the brother and sister. Gosling and Robbie we're
Speaker 2: gonna play the Ocean parents in this prequel set and
Speaker 2: you're I'm like, oh my god, time me like, let's
Speaker 2: make why why can we not make this happen? And
Speaker 2: then you know we're reading teased with Ocean's fourteen and
Speaker 2: it has like it's God thank god we have Now
Speaker 2: you see me. Now you don't coming out. That's that's
Speaker 2: it's gonna scratch that itch. Anyway, getting back.
Speaker 1: To sorry we got off topic first.
Speaker 2: By the way, I did look up pagonia, Yes, And
Speaker 2: the meaning of this is sort of like the belief,
Speaker 2: the ancient belief that life can come from death. So essentially,
Speaker 2: bees were believed. I think this is an ancient Egyptian thing.
Speaker 2: Bees were believed to be hatched from the carcass of
Speaker 2: bulls or the carcass of oxen, you know, or whatever,
Speaker 2: which is sort of where Bigonia comes from. And I
Speaker 2: think there's a little bit of a tie in too,
Speaker 2: a little bit well, I mean, depending upon how you
Speaker 2: look at it. I don't want to reveal anything here,
Speaker 2: but I think that there's a tie in there in
Speaker 2: this film as well. We've talked about Okay, we talked
Speaker 2: about a lot of the actors in this movie. We
Speaker 2: have not talked about Alicia Silverstone. You did not recognize.
Speaker 1: Her, no, But again, maybe I just was a little
Speaker 1: spacey in that moment and really wasn't looking to recognize anybody.
Speaker 1: But honest to god, man, I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: seen her since Batman and Robin, Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I can think of another movie that I've seen
Speaker 1: her in since nineteen ninety eight. It's true, so I
Speaker 1: don't know that it was on my radar. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would have recognized her even if I
Speaker 1: knew she I did not go into the movie knowing
Speaker 1: she was in it, so it's not like I had
Speaker 1: my eyes open to begin with.
Speaker 2: So you didn't realize that she was in until you
Speaker 2: saw her name in the credits. Yes, okay, yes, well
Speaker 2: that makes.
Speaker 1: Sense then, yeah, And I honestly, I even I was
Speaker 1: the only one that stood up. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's an after credits scene that someone else knew about
Speaker 1: that I didn't. But like I got up, there wasn't
Speaker 1: even any music playing, Like there's just crickets chirping. In
Speaker 1: the last scene when the credits are rolling, it's very
Speaker 1: Ombian and I'm just like walking out and I saw
Speaker 1: Alicia Silverstone and I'm like, wait, was she in like
Speaker 1: the last scene or was she working in the office?
Speaker 1: Like what the hell? When did I miss her? And
Speaker 1: you told me she was the mother? But I had
Speaker 1: no idea prior to that. It was very very in
Speaker 1: and out with her.
Speaker 2: I suppose I'm looking up her filmography right now. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to rack my brain. Have I ever heard of
Speaker 2: any of these movies?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen Diary of a Wimpy Kid, The.
Speaker 1: Long Haul, Okay, I know the original. I never saw it,
Speaker 1: but I know of it.
Speaker 2: YaST And then you have to go back to two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight where and I don't remember this at all,
Speaker 2: but she had a cameo in the film Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that either.
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember her cameo.
Speaker 1: No, although if she's as disguised as Tom Cruise, we
Speaker 1: could have been looking right at it.
Speaker 2: Probably two thousand and four Scooby Doo, two Monsters Unleashed.
Speaker 1: People love it, And then I never saw either of them.
Speaker 2: I do remember this. This came out two years after
Speaker 2: Batman and Robin two actors that basically disappeared from the
Speaker 2: face of Hollywood nineteen ninety nine's Blast from the Past. Oh,
Speaker 2: bren Fraser and Alicia Silverstone. Yeah, and they were never
Speaker 2: heard from again. Yeah, except for Brendan Fraser, who did win?
Speaker 2: Didn't he win? For the Whale? For the Best Actor
Speaker 2: for the Whale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we're going to talk about rebooting series
Speaker 1: that have long since died, apparently there's a new Mummy
Speaker 1: coming out, which signed me up for that one. Really yeah, excitement.
Speaker 1: I loved those movies.
Speaker 2: But another time, I will say that she was in
Speaker 2: American Horror Stories. As far as television goes.
Speaker 1: Sure, I've seen a handful of those seasons, but I
Speaker 1: don't watch it religiously, so I might have missed it.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that to me, it totally strike me as
Speaker 2: like must watch television for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, there's good. There's good seasons of it,
Speaker 1: But like I could do a whole podcast episode on this.
Speaker 1: Every single one of those seasons drags on three or
Speaker 1: four episodes too. They never have enough.
Speaker 2: I don't it's too creepy for me. I don't the
Speaker 2: guys at work watch it. I'm like, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole sawing somebody in a half and then actually you
Speaker 2: know as a magician, but then you actually did so
Speaker 2: I don't. That's yeah, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great for you, and I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I know you do, but I didn't need that.
Speaker 2: I don't need that. Okay, what else have we not
Speaker 2: talked about with this movie that we wanted to bring
Speaker 2: up so far? There's there's a certain aspect of the
Speaker 2: Earth that I don't know if we should bring up on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like I said, that's why we didn't
Speaker 1: want to make this a spoiler one because we're dabbling.
Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of the stuff here and without
Speaker 1: jumping into what what what's represented By the end, it's
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to get.
Speaker 2: What did you make in the chapters that were because
Speaker 2: because you know, it's it's sort of like basically the
Speaker 2: whole the whole premise of this is these two guys
Speaker 2: want to come aboard this spaceship to to barter or
Speaker 2: to I don't know, Like I don't think they go
Speaker 2: to war with but like they want to save planet Earth,
Speaker 2: and they think the only way they do this is
Speaker 2: for this alien to lead them onto the spaceship where
Speaker 2: they can talk to the High Commander there or whatever
Speaker 2: and and sort of and sort of save the planet. Right,
Speaker 2: And the only way that this can be done is
Speaker 2: during the lunar eclipse, which is happening for the movie
Speaker 2: starts off with it's four days before the lunar eclipse,
Speaker 2: and then we sort of get like chapter updates, like
Speaker 2: four days before lunar eclips three days before. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: so you brought it up so we can say it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what did you make of Earth being displayed as flat
Speaker 2: numerous times in this movie?
Speaker 1: I loved that, and I mean, it's just to play
Speaker 1: on everything else that's going on. And I honestly, I
Speaker 1: think it's why people like my radio show because I
Speaker 1: will oftentimes stay I understand the principle of flat earthers.
Speaker 1: I am not a flat earth, but I understand. I said,
Speaker 1: there's people that actually believe the Earth is flat, and
Speaker 1: there's people that know it isn't but insist on flat
Speaker 1: earthing because you've never seen the Earth. I've never seen
Speaker 1: the Earth. All we've ever been fed is stuff the
Speaker 1: people told us, So question everything and go from there.
Speaker 1: And I respect that attitude with stuff that deserves to
Speaker 1: be questioned that can't be proven with science and other things.
Speaker 1: And we've seen the Earth. There's dozens of accounting or
Speaker 1: accounts of evidence that would back up the theory that
Speaker 1: Earth is a sphere. I loved the idea of putting
Speaker 1: it there as a flat earther though, because then again
Speaker 1: it only emphasizes to me. I think that was to
Speaker 1: lead the viewer to believe, like, ah, these crackpots, and
Speaker 1: then as the as the drapes fall, you begin questioning
Speaker 1: your own reality. You're even questioning your own reality.
Speaker 2: It isn't that wild. I mean, granted, it's a movie,
Speaker 2: and like you have to suspend belief, but or suspend disbelief.
Speaker 1: I guess sure.
Speaker 2: You know how we can be so sure of something
Speaker 2: and then within two hours we're like, okay, but wait,
Speaker 2: am I sure of this? And I know you know
Speaker 2: it's not reality. But still at the same time, I
Speaker 2: know what I was going to ask you. You have
Speaker 2: seen I we don't know the exact numbers on this.
Speaker 2: Even though I'm a little bit older than you. How
Speaker 2: old are you again? Thirty eight? I'm forty five. I'm
Speaker 2: slightly older. I can say with pretty significant conviction you
Speaker 2: have seen more films than I have.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't feel like it's close, but now.
Speaker 2: I don't think, well, maybe it's close, but I feel
Speaker 2: pretty comfortable and saying you've seen more. I'm more of
Speaker 2: a television guy. By size twenty minutes fifty minutes.
Speaker 1: Give that.
Speaker 2: Okay. Anyway, I am not as adjusted to the way
Speaker 2: movies are shot, the way that they are presented to
Speaker 2: the audience as you are in all the different ways
Speaker 2: they can be.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You walk into a movie, you sit down, you're watching it,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, okay, so this is gonna happen,
Speaker 2: this is gonna happen. I okay, this is what they're
Speaker 2: setting it. And I probably should be able to do that.
Speaker 2: I can't, and it's probably just my intelligence level. I
Speaker 2: just I can't pick up on it the way that
Speaker 2: you do. You said you were hoping this movie was stranger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And while I admit I thought it was going to
Speaker 2: be weirder than it was, I'm really glad it wasn't,
Speaker 2: because I think it holds me as more as the
Speaker 2: more casual viewer between the two of us. It held
Speaker 2: me into it more were I could just enjoy what
Speaker 2: was happening in front of me and not have my
Speaker 2: head completely spinning with well, what did that represent? Why
Speaker 2: did he say that or did why was this shot?
Speaker 2: Why did we not see that? You know, sometimes I
Speaker 2: think something gets so weird it ruins the enjoyment of
Speaker 2: the movie. For me, this one did not, and I
Speaker 2: think it enhanced the enjoyment because I wasn't my head
Speaker 2: wasn't spinning, you know what I mean, Like it was
Speaker 2: spinning at certain parts where I'm like, okay, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: wait wait, oh oh my god, oh my god, oh
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah, you know, And and that was enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad it wasn't stranger.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the fact that a ticker, a ticket taker at
Speaker 2: the movie theater who sees a ton of.
Speaker 3: Movies, Yeah, you who see a ton of movies, you
Speaker 3: wanted it to be weirder because I think your movie acumen,
Speaker 3: your movie language that could be, is more advanced than mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That I think like you wanted more peppers in the
Speaker 2: Gumbo where it was just spicy enough for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I think that's a fair assessment because, like
Speaker 1: to put it in some perspective, if you didn't see
Speaker 1: the trailer in the lead up, there was a fifteen
Speaker 1: second stinger that was all over socials. You'd see it
Speaker 1: on TV every now and then, and it was one
Speaker 1: her head is in one of the guy's laps, I
Speaker 1: think Jesse Plemons, but don't quote me on that, and
Speaker 1: he looks up and she goes, where's my hair. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: I had to shave it off. She says why, and
Speaker 1: he says, so you can't contact the mother ship. She goes,
Speaker 1: oh that makes sense. Boom bgonya, come see it this Friday.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so this is gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those kind of movies. Okay, great, and it
Speaker 1: just seems so surrealist to me, like like in that
Speaker 1: kind in that kind of way. And so for the
Speaker 1: first hour, like I'll be real, I did get hooked
Speaker 1: and I did like this movie, but I did feel
Speaker 1: myself at times like beginning to question. And my ultimate
Speaker 1: example of this is the sequel to The three Hundred.
Speaker 1: They filmed a trailer for that movie, making it look
Speaker 1: like it was gonna follow the direct aftermath of where
Speaker 1: The three Hundred ended with the ten thousand soldiers, and
Speaker 1: then you go get there and you realize it's actually
Speaker 1: a movie of what was happening when the three Hundred
Speaker 1: were fighting with the Athenians out on the water. Very
Speaker 1: different movie than what I was expecting. And I was
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, if you didn't want to
Speaker 1: make this movie, why did you advertise it that way
Speaker 1: in the advertise because you knew this is the movie
Speaker 1: we wanted, and so you made us think we were
Speaker 1: getting that and you gave us something else. And I
Speaker 1: felt the same way. For like the first forty minutes
Speaker 1: of this movie. I'm like, you promised me strange as shit,
Speaker 1: and this is just a hostage movie. This is not
Speaker 1: what I signed up for. And then it kept getting
Speaker 1: weirder and weirder and weirder, and I'm like, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: all right, this is fine.
Speaker 2: I guess with with this specific director and knowing you know,
Speaker 2: poor things in the Favorite and and the Lobster, which
Speaker 2: we didn't. I can't believe bring up the lobster at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna get weird at some point.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's an element of strange. Uh. The
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page for this film describes Begonia as an obserdist
Speaker 2: black comedy. Of all the movies that we have reviewed
Speaker 2: so far, Obserdist black comedy keeps coming up. And I
Speaker 2: wonder if, like Obserdist black comedy, the definition is becoming
Speaker 2: more and more all encompassing and broad, because like it's
Speaker 2: just like, man, people are gonna make what they're gonna make.
Speaker 2: And I guess if you want to be unique, that
Speaker 2: that's just the broad definition of you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, And I said, do you think that that was appropriate? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely an appropriate description. And I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: mean to.
Speaker 2: Be I don't get a whole lot of comedy in
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: No, there were a couple like, it wasn't butt gusting,
Speaker 1: gut busting is butgusting gut busting.
Speaker 2: There's got there's gotta be like butt gusting's like it's
Speaker 2: a real gut buster. Now this was a butt gust
Speaker 2: but there, Yeah, there were.
Speaker 1: Two or three times that, as per usual, I was
Speaker 1: laughing in a room of four people where no one
Speaker 1: else was laughing. Moment. Yeah. But uh, but most certainly,
Speaker 1: And I think I've said this on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: but if you really look at movies in terms of
Speaker 1: three to four year windows, you notice that there is
Speaker 1: a trend in every three to four year gap. And
Speaker 1: maybe we're just in that absurdest comedy where people are
Speaker 1: focusing on the haves and have nots. Like I say,
Speaker 1: you find a movie in the nineties, what are the
Speaker 1: biggest movies of the late nineties? The Matrix and Fight
Speaker 1: Club and American Beauty and American Psycho, all.
Speaker 2: The Bruckheimer movies too. Yeah, and the comedies, you know,
Speaker 2: like comedy changed. Yeah, once we got to the late
Speaker 2: two thousands.
Speaker 1: I want to say, you know, sure, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess the overarching message of the late nineties was
Speaker 1: always like late twenties, early thirties, dude with a boring
Speaker 1: job trying to find a way to spice up his life.
Speaker 2: I don't I think that's more pervasive, you know, throughout
Speaker 2: I think that that's a common that's a common theme.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the bangers. When you go to
Speaker 1: the early nineties, right when AOL was starting to take
Speaker 1: off and the Internet was entering our lives, and all
Speaker 1: the movies are like The lawnmower Man and Terminator to
Speaker 1: Return and all these movies like TeX's Gonna Get Us Right,
Speaker 1: and like you just kind of go through the rains.
Speaker 1: The twenty tens was the Occupy Wall Street era, and
Speaker 1: now we're in the era of you know, as you said,
Speaker 1: the haves and have nots. Whether it's The Long Walk
Speaker 1: or Roof Man or all these every single movie comes
Speaker 1: out a good fortune. It doesn't matter which one we pick.
Speaker 1: It inevitably fits into that group, and we're gonna see
Speaker 1: a handful more before this this season's over.
Speaker 2: But I think the last that kid set us up
Speaker 2: for a lot of this. Yeah, oh sure, it's a
Speaker 2: time as a flat circle Russ Cole. Yes, as I
Speaker 2: always bring up and and we're gonna go through this again.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be more. AI is gonna be a big
Speaker 2: time topic. And how you know I Robot came out
Speaker 2: how many years ago? Was setting the scene for that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: west World? I mean, if you want to bring up
Speaker 2: West World, when that came out like the seventies or whatever,
Speaker 2: like it was setting us up for AI. And and
Speaker 2: that's obviously gonna be a big theme going forward here.
Speaker 1: It just sticks out to me as well, though, I say,
Speaker 1: oftentimes I can tell what generation a writer is based
Speaker 1: on the movie. And it's becoming abundantly clear to me
Speaker 1: that millennials are starting. I think that's why absurdist in
Speaker 1: dark comedy is becoming more prevalent. Is that's how people
Speaker 1: my age are wired like like you, It's why I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be weirder. The absurdest angle of it,
Speaker 1: like that is where my bread is buttered. It's it's
Speaker 1: why millennials will take combinations of oh, we grabbed these
Speaker 1: three things, we made it into a smoothie. They don't.
Speaker 1: We My generation doesn't invent new shit. We take stuff
Speaker 1: that already exists and put a strange spin on it.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's what movie are reflecting
Speaker 1: now today. You're you're not going to invent a new genre.
Speaker 1: You're not. Vampires have been done to death a billion times?
Speaker 1: So how do you do a vampire movie? Do sinners?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And they're still gonna I mean, listen, the classic
Speaker 2: vampire movies are still there's a new Dracula that just
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're not going anywhere, That's my point. But you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta what's the word I'm looking for here?
Speaker 2: You modern modernized? Yes, it's just fine different take just
Speaker 2: tweak it a little bit, you know, or or the
Speaker 2: blending of genres.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw the advertisement for the Christian Bale
Speaker 1: Maggie Gillenhaal Franken's Bride of Frankenstein Baby that's coming out,
Speaker 1: that was playing at the theater on Monday, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, honestly, Bride a Chucky was
Speaker 1: the story of Bride of Frankenstein, but done in a
Speaker 1: completely different way, and like you don't realize it, and
Speaker 1: like you just keep inverting on it and it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: And this is another one of those. And I I
Speaker 1: absolutely like I was when I walked out of the theater,
Speaker 1: I was content. It took me a minute to get
Speaker 1: to content.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring this up as much as we could
Speaker 2: talk about What questions did you have that we're on answered?
Speaker 1: I can't ask you on the show, okay, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I had none, really I had. There's nothing that that
Speaker 1: once and you answered the question on the show. Why
Speaker 1: did Emma Stone make the decision she made in the
Speaker 1: last scene of the movie, Like what drove her to
Speaker 1: that ultimate conclusion?
Speaker 2: I think based on the information that was provided to her,
Speaker 2: she felt like she had no choice. Okay, I mean
Speaker 2: that's the way I viewed it. Maybe this is a
Speaker 2: better off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll jump into it off the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all right. I got a programming meeting coming up.
Speaker 1: So should we get to ratings here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Ratings, and then I want to talk about next week.
Speaker 2: You go ahead first, I have not by the way
Speaker 2: normally I think about ratings before I do this. I've
Speaker 2: not thought about it at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh for sure, I if I This is a
Speaker 1: harder one for me because there were elements I like,
Speaker 1: the elements I didn't like. And I always say a
Speaker 1: six means that held my attention about scrolling my phone,
Speaker 1: And I was scrolling my phone, but not because I
Speaker 1: was bored, just because I was more so like, what
Speaker 1: did I sign up for? Because I went in so cold?
Speaker 2: But isn't that isn't that Isn't that a positive aspect
Speaker 2: of the movie.
Speaker 1: Where So that's why I'm setting the stage because I'm
Speaker 1: going to go above a six despite the fact that
Speaker 1: I said me, scrolling means it's below a six, and
Speaker 1: I would say six point five maybe a seven on
Speaker 1: a good day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna give it an eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that this was an original idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought the execution was fun, and I think that they're
Speaker 2: they're probably I'm speculating there is a temptation to make
Speaker 2: this more complicated than it had to be and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: And I applaud that decision because for movie novices like me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to enjoy a really artsy film by a
Speaker 2: director who usually makes complicated stuff, right yeah, And we
Speaker 2: got to enjoy all aspects of it because it was
Speaker 2: and maybe it was cookie cutter, maybe it was cartoonish,
Speaker 2: maybe it was a little sugary, right, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: pleasant for me, It tasted great. Yeah, oh sure, So
Speaker 2: that's why it gets an eight for me. I just
Speaker 2: this is like an art house movie for people who
Speaker 2: don't normally like art house movies.
Speaker 1: That's such a great explanation of it, because even though
Speaker 1: like I am by no strange, I always joke I said,
Speaker 1: I am the slumlord of movie fans, Like I normally
Speaker 1: do not get into the high end element of anything,
Speaker 1: whether it be horror movies or otherwise, like once you
Speaker 1: make it too slow of a draw, like I'm going
Speaker 1: there to be entertained, and this never hit that point.
Speaker 1: It was just I was nervous it was going to
Speaker 1: be a more mediocre take on a story that we've
Speaker 1: seen a hundred times over, and this was It was
Speaker 1: much more fun. And like I always say, my favorite
Speaker 1: thing is when I don't know who to trust anymore.
Speaker 1: Like we've mentioned that even in the Megan movie, which
Speaker 1: received our lowest review, I was like, that was what
Speaker 1: I hated most about it is you could tell that
Speaker 1: Megan was on the side of the humans very early
Speaker 1: on and there was not going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of back and forth. Yeah, this I think I changed
Speaker 1: my mind six times over, which that to me is
Speaker 1: the sign of something good because I'm sitting there like
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna happen. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I know what's happening. But again, just because I watched
Speaker 1: a thousand movies, it reminded me of another one. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say which because I think that would tip
Speaker 1: my hand as to what happens in this movie. But
Speaker 1: there's a horror movie out there that had a very
Speaker 1: similar kind of vibe that I enjoyed very much, which
Speaker 1: I'll tell you off the air that I think you'd enjoy.
Speaker 1: But we can get to that another time here. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying. Go see this movie, whether
Speaker 1: it be is it a theater. See it's not like flashy,
Speaker 1: Like there's not a lot of flashy moments. Like I
Speaker 1: probably could have waited and caught this on a streaming service.
Speaker 1: It'd probably be my suggestion. But if you're looking for
Speaker 1: something to go check out while it's still in theaters.
Speaker 1: This feels like it's going to be a short stay,
Speaker 1: so go check it out. Yeah I haven't.
Speaker 2: I definitely see it. Now. Here's here's the next thing
Speaker 2: I want to bring up for next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have you looked at anything? No, I'm
Speaker 1: open for anoun.
Speaker 2: So there's two. There's two of them that are popping up.
Speaker 2: One I thought I was gonna give my ringing endorsement,
Speaker 2: to which I still might. And then the other one
Speaker 2: that kind of popped up. There's a Robert Pattinson Jennifer
Speaker 2: Lawrence movie about these two, this couple that lives in
Speaker 2: New York and then they moved to Montana, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if stuff happens, but Jennifer Lawrence, oh mother,
Speaker 2: what about mother? As far as oh so, then her
Speaker 2: mental health starts deteriorating. In this movie, it's like just
Speaker 2: die my darling or I can't remember, or die my love.
Speaker 2: I think it's what it's called. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's a love story or not. So that one came
Speaker 2: up late. But the one that I had ear mark
Speaker 2: for this weekend was Nuremberg with Russell Crowe that's the one,
Speaker 2: all right, so that I would prefer that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Romie Mallick is in that one. I think I think
Speaker 2: John Terry is in it too, so so yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: i'm I'm totally a bored for it now. It is
Speaker 2: probably an epic film, yeah, probably two and a half
Speaker 2: hours or whatever. But I'm i'm, I definitely am excited
Speaker 2: for that because I think this one is is a
Speaker 2: big time Awards one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're probably be right about that. I'm
Speaker 1: on board for that. I think I'll find it very
Speaker 1: interesting and I like the ones where I actually know
Speaker 1: a little bit about the history. I went into Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: relatively cold. I know a lot about the dude before
Speaker 1: I watched the movie this one. I at least have
Speaker 1: some semblance of what was going on in that time,
Speaker 1: so that'll be But I'm by no means an expert,
Speaker 1: So I love that kind of stuff. So let's do
Speaker 1: that then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know of the Nuremberg Trials, Yeah, that's where
Speaker 2: it ends. What exactly happened, I don't know, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I have no idea, So so yeah, I think we'll
Speaker 2: go into that one cold, and so this will be
Speaker 2: another fun episode, but going he was a fun one
Speaker 2: to talk.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely a big fan. Loved what I saw, Looking forward
Speaker 1: to more stuff like that in the future. Here we
Speaker 1: signing off. Then that's Eric Balkman there. You can catch
Speaker 1: him on w SCO eleven to noon, do It in
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Speaker 1: to you guys next week.