WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:04.480 All right, that's super loud, and I'm only gonna get louder. Okay, 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:11.519 we go, Okay, bulky interesting development in the world of 3 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:15.919 off topic he might be interested in hearing. I was 4 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.359 talking with a good friend of mine, he says. 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:19.559 Uh, who listens to the show. 6 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:22.719 Yeah, yeah, he started listening to the show. He likes 7 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.640 what we're about. He appreciates our opinions on movies. But 8 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:27.920 he had an interesting criticism that I wanted to run 9 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:28.480 past year. 10 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:29.160 Uh. 11 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.399 He tells me that it's ridiculous that we are not 12 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:37.280 spoiling these movies for people. That he said. People want 13 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.439 confirmation that a movie either sucked or was awesome, and 14 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.960 they want to hear other reviewers talk about whether what 15 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:44.719 are the things that they liked and the things they 16 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.280 didn't like. He was listening to our weapons episode, and 17 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.719 there's a there's a lot of twists and turns as 18 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:51.359 to how we get there, and like in a in 19 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:56.200 a non linear fashion in that movie. Go ahead, do you. 20 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.240 Feel like I mean, as far as like review, I mean, 21 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.759 we still tell you whether we liked it or didn't 22 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.120 like it, or whether it was good or bad without 23 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.319 the spoilers. 24 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.439 Right, Yeah, to an extent, yes. 25 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.200 And so that we need more feedback on like are 26 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:13.799 people listening to this show prior to seeing the movie? 27 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:14.480 Yeah? 28 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.159 Or are are they listening to it, you know, after 29 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.280 the fact, after the fact, or are they listening to 30 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.680 it to like Okay, I'm gonna see what what Ben 31 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.640 and Balky say about this movie before I decide to 32 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.079 go see it, right, Yeah, you know, And and I 33 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.680 don't know how people because everybody consumes media differently. 34 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.359 Yes, there's a I mean, we obviously don't have the 35 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.920 time nor dexterity to do it. There's a handful of 36 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.799 people that do a spoiler free one and then a 37 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.439 spoiler one like saying like check this out. I want 38 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.760 to determine. They do two of them, but like they're 39 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.560 only six or seven minutes long. It's kind of a 40 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.920 quick one hitter about what's happening, and then he's like, 41 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.319 can come back after. I think it's like Jeremy John's 42 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.200 or something like that. He's one of the more prominent 43 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.439 YouTube viewers right now, and not mad. It's just that's 44 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:59.480 somebody who who has opinions that remain pretty consistent. And 45 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:03.959 then he's like, come back after you see it. Nutes yeah, okay, yeah, 46 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.560 and then and then see what I thought about it 47 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.719 and what parts ticked me off and what parts did 48 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:10.520 and I'm like, well, that's an interesting take on it, 49 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:12.800 for sure. But the end of the day, it's all 50 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.319 about consistency, right, Like, as long as your voice is 51 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:17.360 consistent in what you like and don't mind, I think 52 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:17.719 we can. 53 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:23.000 We can explore doing more spoiler stuff, you know, in 54 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.439 future episodes. I think for this one, as as you 55 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:32.919 alluded to in our conversation about this movie, Pogonia, Pogonia 56 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.000 it is, it would be a disservice to do any 57 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:38.240 spoilers for this one. 58 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.439 Yeah, it would be like saying, oh, by the way, 59 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:44.719 Tyler Durden is is two people pretendingly, you know, like 60 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.000 it's kind of like a similar idea. The whole thing 61 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.479 is built on almost like a will they won't they 62 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.240 kind of moment, and so I would hate to ruin 63 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.080 that for the purposes of this movie. But maybe going 64 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:58.080 forward we we will announce at the beginning of the 65 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.080 episode where we'll let you into Dell so so And. 66 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.199 Here's the Here's the great thing about it is you 67 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.039 have to download it to find out whether we're going 68 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.199 to spoil it or not, and then if you choose 69 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.599 not to listen to it, that's fine because we got 70 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:16.520 your down. We we're good on that then. So so yeah, 71 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:21.199 it makes perfect sense. So this movie was now number Okay, 72 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.560 so let's just set the listeners up here. This is 73 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.960 a film by I don't know, I guess famed director. 74 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.599 Would you would you say famed the director? His name is. 75 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.319 I want to make sure I'm pronouncing it right. Yourgos 76 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.319 lanthemos yeky solid Greek individual? Is he Greek? 77 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.000 You listen to that man? That's Greek as hell? 78 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.240 Okay, Yeah, he is Greek? Okay, sorry and uh. It 79 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.759 is a English language remake of the South Korean film 80 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.439 which came out twenty two years ago called Save the 81 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.439 Green Planet Okay by Jun Huan Jang or or Jang 82 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.879 Jun Huan is is the person who directed that. This 83 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:08.280 movie follows the story of two young men. Okay, that 84 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:14.080 kidnap a CEO of a very powerful pharmaceutical company, believing 85 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.240 that she is secretly an alien who is hell bent 86 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.319 on destroying Earth. 87 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.399 Okay. Yes. 88 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:27.560 It stars Emma Stone, Jesse Flemons, Aiden, Delvis Stavros, Hukias. 89 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:28.959 Yep from another solid Greek. 90 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.399 From the Yeah, I wonder if they if that's why 91 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:35.439 he he hosts the Cometown podcast or actually he used 92 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:36.480 to was one of the. 93 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.079 I was wondering why this sounds like I'm being ironic. 94 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.279 I've never listened to the podcast, but he's popped up 95 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.680 on my social media's in like thirty seconds. 96 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:45.199 Comic he's a comic. 97 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:45.439 Yeah. 98 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.519 And then Alicia Silverstone is in this as well. 99 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:47.759 Yeah. 100 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:52.399 Okay, so let's get into this. Number one. Does this 101 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.360 and I know it came out in late October early November. 102 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.560 Does this feel like it has any holds any water 103 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.120 as far as award season goes? 104 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.680 Oh my god, totally yes. Really, I'm already seen Movie 105 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:06.639 of the Year buzz going around. 106 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:08.199 I saw that too, but I never you know, I 107 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:09.360 never really buy into this. 108 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.480 Oh, it could be off topic with Ben and Bulky 109 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:12.720 say this is the movie the year? 110 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:13.319 You know what I mean? 111 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.120 Like, there's so many different groups that do this that 112 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:17.240 you can pull out clip. 113 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:18.839 There was a movie that came out as based on 114 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.959 a Steve Martin novella called shop Girl. This this came out, 115 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.439 I don't know, dude, like twenty some years ago. Starts 116 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:29.240 Steve Martin and Claire Danes okay, okay, And I remember 117 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.120 the buzz on this was like, oh my god, that 118 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.000 Steve Martin is gonna win. He's a shoe in for 119 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.279 you know, Best Original screen or Best Adapted Screenplay. And 120 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:41.360 Claire Danes is going to be hard to beat. At 121 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.160 Oscar time, neither one of them were. 122 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.160 Nomine Yeah, I remember that movie, Like that goes to 123 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.879 show you how you don't remember of the zeitgeist. It 124 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.279 really impacted. There's nothing there. 125 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.560 So then for a film that comes out this early 126 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.800 in October, yeah, I'm like, I have my concerns, but 127 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.160 you believe, like, okay, this this has some staying power. 128 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.160 There's some stay in power there. It's based the original. 129 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.439 The Korean version of this movie is actually much more 130 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.519 popular amongst film people than I realized. 131 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:14.959 Fun fact, jinhu Jang, who directed the original, was slated 132 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.480 to direct this one as well. Oh wow, And then 133 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.319 he bowed out, like the wheel started getting in motion 134 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.040 in this five years ago for this Pogonia flick. And 135 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.120 then somehow there was a directorial change and he was 136 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.639 out and Lanthimos took over, which I thought was I mean, 137 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.680 I've never seen any of Jang's movies, so I can't 138 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.240 compare it, but I do know what Lanthemos is capable of, right, 139 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:41.920 and he didn't disappoint. 140 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.480 Yeah, I would agree. And it's interesting because, like I 141 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.000 don't know if you've ever seen Battle Royale, which is 142 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.439 it's a Korean take on Hunger Games, Like you watch 143 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:52.639 it and they put a bunch of it, and it 144 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.399 came out before Hunger Games. I think that's probably an 145 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.560 important distinction here, and I would argue, if you're comfortable 146 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.839 reading a movie instead of watching a movie, pound for pound, 147 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.879 it's way better than Hunger Games. Seeing this movie and 148 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.160 hearing that it was a more gritty, realist take on 149 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.319 the Originals movie makes me want to see the Korean 150 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.079 version of it because I am a fan of the 151 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.120 weird and the strange and the unusual, and this movie 152 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:19.519 has that in spades. But when people ask me, John 153 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.040 Jordan walked past, He's like, you saw Bagonia, what'd you think? 154 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.240 I said, if I had to give you a way, no, okay, 155 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:25.600 And I said, if I had to give you a 156 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.959 one sentence review, it was it was an incredibly strange movie. 157 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.720 I liked it quite a bit, but I wish it 158 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.199 were stranger, like there was a lot. 159 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.600 Just what you said. Somebody told you that, wasn't it. 160 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:36.879 Somebody at the theater. 161 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.399 Told you, yes, yes, the ticket taker said it. And 162 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.800 then I went in there. Whether she poisoned my belief 163 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.000 or otherwise, I was sitting there expecting it to get 164 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.879 a little more loopy, and it most certainly does at times. 165 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:48.560 It'll keep you on the edge of your seat. And 166 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.120 we'll get more into that in the second in a 167 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:55.800 very suspenseful kind of way. But say, hearing this described 168 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:00.560 is a gritty, realistic take. Maybe it's because again diving 169 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.519 into the subtext here, a lot of parallels between the 170 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.120 real world and today with conspiracy theorists and doing your 171 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.079 own research and jumping to conclusions based on your own 172 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.120 preconceived notions, a lot of a lot of parallels, or 173 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.160 at least I see them given my line of work. 174 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.879 Maybe that that that exists in the real world here, 175 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:24.240 But definitely I wouldn't describe it as realistic at times, 176 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:25.240 But here we are. 177 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.240 There was another like this is sort of like another 178 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:32.440 have and have not conflict to an extent that we 179 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.200 saw on roof. Man, I feel like this this has 180 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.879 been a recurring theme. Good Fortune was the other one. 181 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.320 Yeah, realistically, almost anything long walk long Walk, Yeah, the 182 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.120 long Walk Running Man is going. 183 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.360 To be there totally. When does that come up? 184 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.559 By the fourteenth, So we got a week that we 185 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:49.159 have to figure it out. 186 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.360 I have some ideas for our next perfect We'll get 187 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:57.000 to that at the end. Okay, So realistic take the 188 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.120 way that this was set. Okay, So here's the other 189 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.720 thing I wanted to bring up with you. It is 190 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:06.000 clear in this movie that and we're not spoiling anything. 191 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:11.320 Jesse Plemmons his character, and Aiden delviis his character. These 192 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.000 are the two that are are the conspiracy theorists, right, 193 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.600 and really, if you look at this, Plemmons is the 194 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:25.799 guy that's guiding Don Teddy. Teddy is guiding his cousin Don, 195 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.879 who is clearly has an intellectual. 196 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.279 Best performance in the movie in my opinion. 197 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.279 Now, did you know this Aiden Delvis is on the 198 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:41.759 autism spectrum? I did not guess thats so he and 199 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:43.440 this is like his first feature film. 200 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:44.519 He was phenomenal. 201 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.039 He was really good. He was phenomenal, and and perhaps 202 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.240 the reason he was so good was because he wasn't acting. Yeah, well, 203 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.279 I mean, he was acting, but but he actually has autism. 204 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.519 It's it's the same idea. So I grew up, I 205 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.799 worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities, So 206 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:01.799 it's always in the back of my mind when people 207 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.919 are being jerks about it. I remember back in two 208 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.519 thousand and eight when Johnny Knoxville's The Ringer came out 209 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.440 and everybody was ready to crap on that movie because 210 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.519 it used people with real special needs and he was 211 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.399 competing against him in the Olympics. Yep, every single one 212 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.159 of those people have gone on to be seen in 213 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.000 other movies, and everyone at that camp that was all 214 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.799 the counselor's favorite movie of the side, Like I love 215 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.360 that movie. And this followed, I love when they actually 216 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.000 get the people. I'd rather you find somebody with the 217 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:31.399 deficiency put them in the in the role rather than 218 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.399 have somebody who has developed in a more normal way 219 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:35.240 trying to pretend. 220 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.120 And this goes back to the I mean, there's a 221 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.639 debate should straight actors play gay characters, should gay characters 222 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:43.320 play straight or should gay actors play straight? You know, 223 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.440 and and I don't know, Like for me, it's kind 224 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:46.879 of like, if you're good, you're good. 225 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.879 Yes, do it. That's a little different to me. I 226 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.080 feel like you can swing back. Yeah, that's a different 227 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.799 question in my opinion at the very least. But that's 228 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.279 a fair point. That's definitely a fair point. You're making 229 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:57.799 me questions. 230 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.720 Yeah, I still see it on the on the same 231 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.960 plane field. Yeah, and maybe I shouldn't, but but I 232 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.799 still see that. Not that again. I don't want to 233 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.519 get bogged down in that. Yeah, that's what this is. 234 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.320 In any event, This isn't outside the box conference a thousand. 235 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:12.399 But I want to say, in a movie where Jesse 236 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.399 Plemons and Emma Stone were phenomenal, uh, they weren't the 237 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.799 best performance in my opinion, And I didn't even know 238 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.679 that he was when I came out of the movie 239 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.720 thinking that, I'm like, no, that guy will see him 240 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.480 again and stuff, because uh, I thought I thought he 241 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.960 played the role very well, very clearly representative of He 242 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.120 goes with the flow right, Like you said, they're both 243 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.639 conspiracy theorists realistically, one of his and one guy's looking 244 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:37.639 for something to believe him. 245 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.200 Well, he he talks about how how much Don talks 246 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.919 about how special Teddy is to him and how much 247 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.000 he loves him, so he's clearly just you know, is 248 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.799 clinging on to whatever Teddy's telling him, like you know, 249 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:51.840 and then Teddy kind of I don't think there's a 250 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.159 whole lot of mental abuse that he does to that character, 251 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.600 to Don, but there is a certain amount of like 252 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.519 I for selfish reasons, Yeah, I need somebody else to 253 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.799 help me with this, and and and he is is 254 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.080 the guy he chooses. Now, more casting stuff before we 255 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.960 get into the actual plot. Alicia Silverstone, you said you 256 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.799 didn't even recognize it, didn't recognize her. Now she's basically 257 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.759 in what three scenes I want to say, probably. 258 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.600 Not probably not ninety seconds cumulatively in the movie. 259 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.080 Oh yeah, for sure, it's more than ninety seconds. Yeah. 260 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.240 I don't want to get into this whole argument again, 261 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.399 but it's definitely more than ninety seconds. A right, fine, 262 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.399 the first scene alone that she's in that that has 263 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:33.919 to be more. 264 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.399 Than maybe I just maybe I was just like, okay, 265 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:37.120 I get it. 266 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:42.200 All right. So so she plays Eddy's mom Teddy's mom 267 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.000 in it. And then the other guy that Stavros I 268 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.759 can't remember what his name was, the podcast host. Yes, 269 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.159 and that's basically the cast man. Yep is it's very tight. 270 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.480 It's it's you get great character development. I thought for 271 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:01.559 for Plemmon's character. I thought the character development for Don 272 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:06.039 was really good too. For Iden Delvis and uh, you 273 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.720 know Amma Stone, she her her performance was good, Like 274 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.440 it was fine. I didn't. I didn't really, I'm I mean, 275 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.399 I don't know. It's you want to know. 276 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.360 What's stuck out about it to me is it's one 277 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.120 of the first times that I have ever seen like 278 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.799 there was no damsel in distress elements to what she 279 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.919 was Like. She did it in a very there was 280 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.480 almost no panic, which when you hear about CEOs and like, 281 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.240 there's a very cold, clinical attitude that they take, and 282 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.960 she kind of maintains that even when she's chained up 283 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.679 in a basement with a couple of people that are 284 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:39.679 clearly a bit nuts. 285 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:47.639 Yes, clearly I think that that you have to understand there. 286 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.000 I was never expecting a damsel in distress based on 287 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.919 the opening what twenty minutes of the film. Sure, she 288 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.200 is a massive alpha yeah, you know, like woman man, 289 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.600 it doesn't matter. Like she is in control of every 290 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:04.639 aspect of her life. And you knew that she didn't 291 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.919 get there by being a Patsy or anything like that. 292 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.039 So the way that she reacted was totally the way 293 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:14.000 I would expect her to react. Now, I will say, 294 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.879 the performance goes where you know, she is believed by 295 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.000 these two guys to be an alien, that is that 296 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:27.440 is trying to destroy earth, right, put, I'm gonna ask 297 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.919 you this question every podcast? Who are you in this movie? 298 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.759 Ben? See? There there weren't enough characters. Probably I'm a 299 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.000 stone right to a certain extent. But there there's one 300 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.559 line where she talks about winners and losers, which isn't 301 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.639 how I'm wired. So like that that was distinct from 302 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.919 from who I am. But what's funny is is you, 303 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.600 if you ask my listeners, I'm probably closer to Teddy 304 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.159 than anybody, just because, like I will acknowledge, I'm like, 305 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.519 you know, there's probably some I mean, the hell, how 306 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.399 many times do you joke with me that I'm the 307 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.960 conspiracy theory. I'll tell you that sports are ring, right, 308 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.240 and I'll deal with all this kind of stuff. That's 309 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.360 the kind of first who he is to the nth degree, 310 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.320 of course. 311 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.039 But you would never go to the nth degree like 312 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:05.399 he is. 313 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:08.440 Yeah, right, unless, of course I knew Chauncey Phillips rigged 314 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.399 it in favor of Green. 315 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.799 They wouldn't go to them. Okay, so I will say 316 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.519 one of the at least for me, you go back 317 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.000 and forth in this. I think there is a good 318 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.200 long period of this film where I believe that this 319 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.840 is a commentary on conspiracy theorists in general. Yes, right, 320 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.799 and this guy is clearly unhinged. You see kind of 321 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:37.000 why he's unhinged and how that character became to be 322 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:40.480 the person that he is in this movie. And then 323 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:44.279 it switched at some point, and I don't know exactly when. 324 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.320 It wasn't just it wasn't like a flip of the 325 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.639 switch where all of a sudden I'm like, God, is 326 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.799 she an alien? Yeah, it was more of like a transition, 327 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.120 and there was maybe there was just some clues laid 328 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.519 in some of the scenes, and I'm kind of wondering. 329 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.600 I'm like, well, this is not what a human would do, 330 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.200 is it? And but I still never really question And 331 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.159 then towards the end you really question it. You're like, Okay, 332 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.039 I can't believe I'm saying this are the conspiracy theorists 333 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:16.559 right in this? And I'll give you the spoiler you 334 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:19.240 find out one way or the other in this which 335 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.000 was satisfying to memm that that we found out you know, 336 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.600 who was correct, who was not correct. And I do 337 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.440 think now that I you know, you talk about Emma 338 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:34.559 Stone's performance. For her to go back and forth of 339 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.080 threatening these guys than placating them, then admitting that she 340 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.879 was an alien, you don't know if that's the truth. 341 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.720 You don't know if she's messing with them. I think 342 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:50.200 clearly she's on a higher intellectual level sure than both 343 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.720 of these two guys are. And so you don't know, 344 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:57.240 so from that standpoint, and you know, and keeping you 345 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.919 wondering whether she is, you know, some sort of being 346 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.759 from outer space that's you know, in a human body. 347 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.319 I think from that standpoint, her performance was really good 348 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.599 and I, you know, thinking about it now, it's just like, 349 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.160 think about all the different ways she has to play 350 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.759 this character in order for the audience to be on 351 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.839 the edge of their seats, guessing themselves, trying to figure 352 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.640 it out themselves this whole time too. So while I 353 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.519 thought that Plemmons, I was more interested in him as 354 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.960 the movie went on, obviously you get much more interested 355 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.640 in Emma Stone's character. And its Michelle Fuller, which was 356 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:34.000 her name. 357 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.440 Yeah, and it's a much more impressive feat to keep 358 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.279 people on the edge of their seat when it's a 359 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.799 slow burn like this movie is. There were So I 360 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:44.960 went on a Monday as opposed to a Tuesday. I 361 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.480 normally catch the five dollars movies, which pulls more people out. Yep. 362 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.920 I was in a theater with four people today, which 363 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.400 is Monday, so that's not my normal experience. In preparation 364 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:58.519 for this show, I found myself in the first thirty minutes, 365 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.599 I was like, what were people saying about this movie 366 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.839 because it was so slow? And some people were like 367 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.799 I got forty five minutes in and walked out, uh 368 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.519 oh really yes, wow because it was just too slow. 369 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:10.839 I'm like, okay, well, like I wasn't ever considering that 370 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.319 part of it, but just to get a feel for it. 371 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.079 And so apparently a lot of people. I don't know 372 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.359 if it's the short attention span we always hear about 373 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.799 right now or what it is. Yeah, but to me, 374 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.000 and I'm not saying it was on that level, but 375 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.720 to me, the master of slow scenes where nothing happens, 376 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:32.039 punctuated with intense violence or a jaw dropping moment is 377 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:33.079 Quentin Tarantino? 378 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.880 Yes, but and he does it too. I mean, I'll 379 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.400 say this, you finish your thought here, and then I 380 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:43.680 have some stuff to say about Tarantino as opposed to 381 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:47.480 Lathemos here. Yeah, and by the way, weapons, didn't we 382 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.640 also get the title card for weapons like twenty five minutes? 383 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:51.759 Yeah, for sure, keep going on. But I say all 384 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.680 that to say, like, you take inglorious bastards. For example, 385 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.559 in the first scene with the jew Hunter, and at 386 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.480 one point the guy's lighting his pipe. Now they're emphasizing 387 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.000 him lighting the pipe because the pipe is an important 388 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.119 part of that scene if you've ever seen the movie. 389 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.720 But when you're watching it and you don't know where 390 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.519 the scene is building, you're like, why am I watching 391 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.880 this guy light a pipe for forty five goddamn seconds? 392 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:13.480 Like this movie's two and a half hours long. We 393 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.799 really didn't have to make this that long. I felt 394 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.400 myself feeling that way, And I don't feel like this 395 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.160 film here kind of mastered that art as much as 396 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.960 Tarantino did. But at the same time, once it got going, 397 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.480 I was in for the rod. Yeah, but it does 398 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.319 take a second several seconds for you to get there. 399 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.680 So regarding the Tarantino thing, like, listen, I think I 400 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:42.440 have made up my mind that everything he makes as gold. Yeah, 401 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.559