WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.680 At the time, all it was was woods, and I 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.639 spent a lot of time in the woods. But I 3 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.039 never saw anything like that ever, And certainly that was 4 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:12.199 my first and lonely experience of seeing something like that. 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:16.079 But certainly let them impression. I mean, my mind made 6 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:20.079 me see some guy in like a blonde flannel shirt 7 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:23.399 raking leaves like for an instant, that's what my mind saw. 8 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:25.920 But when I looked at it again, it clearly wasn't. 9 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.399 It was this thing like trying to show me away, 10 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.120 just throwing leaves in the air. I didn't know what 11 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.079 to think. I didn't know what this thing was. 12 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.479 I just yeah, I think my mind went to monster 13 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.520 and I'm gonna get eaten. The thing was huge and 14 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.920 covered in hair. This thing is sometime a monster. I 15 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.159 don't know what the hell it is. You know, since then, 16 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.520 I think I know what it is. But why do 17 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:47.840 these things even exist? 18 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:22.120 Just to get us started? 19 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:23.560 Why? Now? 20 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.519 What made you decide to share your story at this 21 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:27.280 point in life? 22 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.319 Really? Your podcast? 23 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:37.120 I went down some YouTube rabbit hole about a year 24 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:43.200 ago and I stumbled on your podcast, and as I 25 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:50.120 was listening, nobody. I really never shared the details of 26 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:55.959 my story other than I attempted with my wife and 27 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.439 my kids at one point and got laughed at. But 28 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.680 some of the guests on your show really seemed to 29 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.680 be genuine and there's got to be something to it. 30 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.120 And I think you said it best in one of 31 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.159 our communications. You got to get it off my mind 32 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.919 or my chest because I saw it and it was real, 33 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:25.759 and why now maybe you opened the door and an 34 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.240 outlet that I can actually get this stuff off my 35 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.039 mind at my chest and just move on. I have 36 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.360 I hadn't experienced since, but I saw what I saw 37 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.080 and it made an impression on me in my entire life, 38 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:46.240 which I had to hide. And the one time or 39 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.759 one and a half times I tried to share it, 40 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.599 you know, I got laughed at. So your show seems 41 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:57.719 to be an outlet or a venue for me to 42 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.159 share that. And it's probably a one and done with 43 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.560 me because I don't go investigating, and you know, I 44 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:04.960 don't read books on this stuff. 45 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.680 But the way you approach your guests. 46 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.719 With an open mind and honesty, and I gather that 47 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:17.599 you've had experience as well and you're trying to figure 48 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:21.800 it out, allows me to open myself up to this 49 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:26.840 and it's very out of character for me too even 50 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.599 speak about any of this stuff. But I guess, Matt, 51 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:37.199 you know, to summarize your podcast, said, Hey, maybe I 52 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.479 should share this and get it out there because I 53 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.599 don't believe a lot of the things I hear, but 54 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.080 a lot of the things on your show, people do 55 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:50.120 seem genuine about it, and I'm ready to share after 56 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:56.199 Jesus had to happen late seventies or early eighties my 57 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:01.400 first experience, and I guess we can venture in today 58 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:04.680 us Toto experience as time allows. 59 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.080 But I guess that's my answer to you, Matt. 60 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.319 Yeah, well, I appreciate it, first off for trusting me 61 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.879 with this, and you know, you're pretty accurate on everything. 62 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:23.639 I give people an opportunity to share their story. Sometimes 63 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.680 those stories venture into areas that you know, I have 64 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:31.920 a hard time believing personally, But I don't make any judgments. 65 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:34.959 I don't know what people experience. You know, I'm not 66 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:39.600 there whenever they have their encounters, but a lot of 67 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:44.399 them ring very genuine, even on things that I might 68 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:53.319 have a difficulty accepting. The genuine conversations that I have 69 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:57.759 with people both on and off air, I just want 70 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.600 to you know, have that outlet for them because regardless 71 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.879 of what I think or anybody else thinks, I can 72 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.040 tell that they're being honest about their experiences, and that 73 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.879 has helped me deal with a lot of the stuff 74 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.600 that I've encountered and experienced over the years, which hasn't 75 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.639 been a lot. But like you, I have to live 76 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.240 with the fact that, regardless of what others think, I 77 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:27.519 know what's real. I know what I saw, I know 78 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.720 what I experienced, and I think a lot of us 79 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.439 are just looking for those answers or some sort of 80 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:41.680 closure in accepting what we experienced. So just take us 81 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.680 through it, you know, tell us how it all happened. 82 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:45.040 Yeah. 83 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:50.560 Sure, So, like I said, I live in a small town, 84 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:56.519 and this experience happened. It was either very late seventies 85 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:01.439 or very early eighties, and in that time town things 86 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.839 were extremely different. 87 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:09.560 A lot of your listeners aren't going to understand what. 88 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.959 I mean by that, but you were literally allowed to 89 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.759 come and go as you please throughout the neighborhood or 90 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:19.439 you know, within the town, as long as you're home 91 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.879 for dinner. And you had that freedom in a small 92 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.120 town that I grew up in a small farm town. 93 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:28.920 It was just a given. 94 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.560 You know, we would gather in the neighborhood or certain 95 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.920 neighborhood and you know, do our thing, and then as 96 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.920 long as we're home for dinner, that's fine. So you know, 97 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.040 I was either ten, eleven, twelve thirteen. I really can't 98 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.240 tell you an exact timeframe. I just know about when 99 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:53.079 there was a pond by my in between my house 100 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:58.920 and my friend's house, who's about what you're saying, a 101 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.879 half mile from my house walking distance and a little 102 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.560 bit more than a half mile from my friend's house. 103 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.040 And we would talk on the phone, you know, the 104 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:12.720 courted phone with the rotary dial, and hey, what do 105 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:14.759 you want to do today, Let's go fishing. Okay, I'll 106 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.120 meet you up, you know, around eleven or so, and 107 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.800 we would walk to the pond. 108 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.720 In this pond at the time. My town since then 109 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:28.680 has been overdeveloped. 110 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.279 There's been a lot of farmland and a lot of 111 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:39.160 woods at the time, but since it's been completely overrun 112 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.240 in my opinion, and overdeveloped. But in any regard, there 113 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:47.560 was a pond literally off the side of this side 114 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:54.600 road that was surrounded by forest and swamp. And I'm 115 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.680 not going to say the name, and the pond because 116 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.439 I don't want to, you know, give away too much 117 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.800 here and and going out on a limb, and we 118 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:04.800 would go fishing there. 119 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:06.879 And so here we go. 120 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.639 It's like I'm going to say, early spring, because the 121 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:15.160 green leaves were just starting, the buds were just starting 122 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.279 to sprout on the trees. Nice day, still day, I 123 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.879 can remember it that much beautiful day to walk to 124 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:27.480 this pond on the side road. And I got there first, 125 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.000 and I actually started fishing first. 126 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.720 And my friend showed up. He walked to the same age. 127 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:41.519 I was a year older than him, and you know, 128 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.120 we're fishing, and maybe we got there a little too 129 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.240 late because it started getting a little too warm, and 130 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.600 I started getting a little too bored. And one thing 131 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.720 that we have never done is I said, you know what, 132 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.480 this pond is about the size and shape of a 133 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.960 football field, and so if you can imagine, we're standing 134 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.919 at like the end zone. I wanted to go to 135 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.399 the other end zone, which at that point in time 136 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.799 none of us have ever done. 137 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.080 So I couldn't go to the right because it was. 138 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.200 So overgrown with pricker bushes and brambles and whatnot. So 139 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.799 I went to the left. Did you try to get 140 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.519 to the other side of this pond and my other 141 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.240 friend excuse me, my friend stayed there and I said, 142 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:29.399 I'll see you on the other side. 143 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.039 You know, because all. 144 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.519 We were catching at that point was what we call 145 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.720 johnny roaches. I don't know what the right term is 146 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.919 for these fish. And it was getting boring because you 147 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.840 could throw a bare hook in air and catch one 148 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.600 of these things. There's no strategy involved in it. I 149 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.440 wanted to catch like a catfish or something. So I 150 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.600 went to the left and the left, although it was overgrown, 151 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:58.840 it was manageable. And you know, looking back now and 152 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.039 actually look into what I'm about to tell you about, 153 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.799 not just this pond, but a series of ponds in 154 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.639 the mid fifties, these ponds were dugout and part of 155 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:15.519 a sportsman's club for fishery. So as I'm walking along, 156 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:22.080 I see another overgrown pond to the left, severely overgrown, 157 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.919 and I'm walking. I'm walking, and I'm keeping focused to get 158 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.919 to the other side, and I'm walking alongside a berm 159 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.519 that was obviously now I know man created to create 160 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:32.320 these ponds. 161 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.639 And I get to the other side and I waved 162 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.399 to my friend. I see him on the other side. 163 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.519 But as I got to the other side, I see 164 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:49.279 there's other ponds behind it, And now I'm really curious. 165 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:49.759 Again. 166 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:56.080 I'm young, and so I keep walking to these other 167 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.480 ponds that I see in back. So at one point 168 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.600 I can still see the big pond, and where I'm 169 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.559 standing now I count one, two, three more ponds, not 170 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:12.399 as big, let's just say half as big, but completely square. 171 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:17.919 And again my research, like really recently, I discovered they 172 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.759 were fisheries for some sportsman club and it's documented in 173 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:23.000 some papers or whatever. 174 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.960 So I saw this clear pond. There was like no 175 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.000 lily pads on it. 176 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.240 Where the pond we were fishing on I had lily 177 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.720 pads and. 178 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.720 Algae and other stuff. 179 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.120 And I was also getting irritated because every time I 180 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.000 threw something out, I would come back with either a 181 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:41.919 Johnny roach or half a tree. 182 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.240 You know, it's full of stuff. 183 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:49.240 So I would walk and I saw this other pond 184 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:54.960 and it was nice and clear, and this pond was 185 00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:00.440 like almost perfectly square. There's a pond now the pond 186 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:05.159 I left behind me, and there's the overgrown pond, and 187 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.120 then there's another overgrown pond. 188 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.120 But then there's this clear pond. 189 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:14.279 So I headed toward the clear pond, and now I 190 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:19.720 can't see anything else except another pond that's overgrown behind 191 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.480 me and this clear pond, and I start walking alongside 192 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:27.840 of berm with my fishing tackle and my fishing pole, 193 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:34.240 and I walk to the furthest if you're looking down 194 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:39.159 at a square. I'm at the left hand side of 195 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.639 this pond now, and I can't go any further because 196 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.159 it's really overgrown with pricker bushes, thorn bushes, whatever you 197 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.080 want to call them, and even higher berm where they 198 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.679 must have dug out, and it's just impossible to go 199 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.159 any further. So I picked that corner because I also 200 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:02.159 had a clear shot to start casting fishing pole, and 201 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.720 which I did, and I got a few in there, 202 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.559 and I heard at that point I completely lost track 203 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:11.159 of my friend. 204 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.759 I assume he's stole over air fishing. 205 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.519 I heard like what sounded like somebody raking leaves. 206 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.039 Likesh, shush, shush. 207 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.919 This is after a couple of casts, and it was 208 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:33.320 completely silenced before I cast it into the water. So 209 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.440 I looked on the other side of the pond and 210 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:42.279 I said, what the hell is My mind made me 211 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.720 think that it was somebody raking leaves in the middle 212 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.159 of a forest, and I said, what the. 213 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:50.279 Hell is going on here? 214 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:55.200 And me being a kid, I put my head down, thinking, okay, 215 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:59.120 I'm trespassing on somebody's yard here, and I'm about to 216 00:13:59.159 --> 00:13:59.759 get yelled at. 217 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:07.200 And I looked up again and it's not a firmer. 218 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:09.600 It's this thing. 219 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:15.600 It's what everybody says is a sasquatch, all right, but 220 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:19.159 at the time I didn't know what a sasquatch was. 221 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.200 And this thing is like on the far right hand 222 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:30.639 side up a hill, and he's making movements like toward me, 223 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.240 throwing leaves up like and I'm looking back now, and 224 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.600 I think he asked me, and I asked myself the question. 225 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.399 It was like he was trying to scare me away, 226 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.799 which he quite frankly scared me. But I was frozen 227 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.120 at that time. I was like, what the heck am 228 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:52.039 I looking at? So he sees me, I see him, 229 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.000 I say him, And I don't know if it's a 230 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.960 him or her. I just say him, because that's just 231 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:59.000 what I gathered. 232 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:04.399 Sure, this thing is. I later. 233 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.399 Gathered that it reminded me of There was a show 234 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.679 called Land of the Lost and there was these things 235 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:19.039 that looked exactly like what I'm seeing. It wasn't black, 236 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:24.519 it wasn't brown. It was like this dirty blonde, long 237 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.200 haired sasquatch. And I'm gonna say sasquashed now, but at 238 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:31.799 the time, I don't know what the hell it was. 239 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.399 And excuse the swearing, but it is what it is. 240 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:41.799 He starts the scaring tactic. I guess he sees that 241 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.360 I'm not moving, although I wanted to move, and I 242 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.799 kind of just I'm just standing there with my fishing pole, 243 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:51.679 just staring at him. 244 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:53.600 So he begins to walk. 245 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.720 If I'm on the far left hand side, he on 246 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.679 the other side, he begins to walk diagonal to the 247 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:05.759 other left hand side, opposite of me, far of the pond, 248 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:13.480 and he walks over there. And now I'm like freaking 249 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:21.879 out and I'm like really scared. So I'm not sure why, 250 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:27.200 but he begins to walk like extremely fast across the 251 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.080 other side, towards the right, and there's a clear shot. 252 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:35.279 If he runs that corner, I have no escape, and 253 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.000 that's what I was thinking about. I'm like, how do 254 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.679 I get myself out of this? There's a half grown 255 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.639 pond behind me. I can't go to the left of me, 256 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.879 and this thing starts walking across to the right hand side. 257 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.080 It's going to round the corner. 258 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.639 And Matt, when I tell you how fast this thing 259 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.240 walked like effortlessly. 260 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.320 So I did what a kid would do. Stupid me. 261 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.559 There is a little tree on the far left hand 262 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.440 corner where I put my tackle box and I got 263 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.960 as small as I could. I put myself into like 264 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.640 a almost like a fetal position, although I was still 265 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.079 on my feet, and I hid my head, and I 266 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.359 can hear this thing walking, and I'm thinking, if he 267 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.359 can't if I can't see him, he can't see me. 268 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:24.680 But I hear this thing walking, and I clearly saw 269 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.400 that there's no way I'm going to get out of 270 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.759 this because he's walking so fast. I can't run out now. 271 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:34.319 He blocked my path and he rounds the corner and 272 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.759 I can hear him, and I'm hiding my face behind 273 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:42.640 a tree although I'm clearly still there. I'm thinking, if 274 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.640 I don't move and I don't breathe, this thing isn't 275 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.279 going to see me. But holy shit, I'm dead, is 276 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:54.640 what I'm thinking. And I'm staying there, and then it 277 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.240 just got I hear him walk all the way to 278 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.559 the right hand side, almost to the point where I 279 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:05.200 walked into the pond, so that would be on my 280 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:09.079 immediate rite, about fifty yards away of the square pond. 281 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:14.839 And it gets quiet, like nothing, and I'm thinking I'm 282 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.799 dead any minute, and I'm staying as still as I can. 283 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:25.000 I'm holding my breath. And then the thought came to me. 284 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.519 I said, holy shit, my friend. He's going to get 285 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:34.039 my friend. And this extreme guilt came over me, and 286 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:36.599 I'm like, holy shit, he's going to get my friend. 287 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.240 I want to say his name, but I'm not gonna. 288 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:43.160 And it was just so still. This thing was so 289 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.279 loud walking and it just got still. So I'm thinking 290 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.960 he's even looking right at me at the far right 291 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.599 hand side of me, or I don't know, or he 292 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.079 went and I lost track of him because my heart 293 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.920 was beating so fast. He's going to get my friend, 294 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:01.880 or he's going to get my friend. So I mustled 295 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.480 up the courage. After about I don't know, I want. 296 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.720 To say, I don't know. 297 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.960 It felt a long time, but let's just say in reality, 298 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.559 let's just say maybe a minute of the stillness, I 299 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.559 mustled up the courage to pick up my tackle box, 300 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.200 get my poll, which I think the line was still 301 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.599 in the water, and start walking. And just as I 302 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:29.480 was starting to walk out, my friend comes around and 303 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:31.839 I'm looking at him in his eyes to see if 304 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:36.799 he saw anything, and he's just like, hey, where you're going. 305 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.920 He's surprised that I was walking out. I said, let's 306 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.920 just there's nothing here. Let's get out of here. And 307 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.720 I walked right by him, thinking that we're going to 308 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:51.559 get you know, killed or eaten any minute. And I 309 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:53.400 just walked right by him. I said, just come on, 310 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.920 let's get out of here. You know, there's nothing over here. 311 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.359 Let's just go back out to the front. I just 312 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.359 wanted to get out to the front to get in 313 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.319 it clear and get my friend out of danger. And 314 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:05.960 I did not. 315 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:06.880 Say a word. 316 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:12.640 So anyway, we get to the original meeting spot. There's 317 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:16.640 no noise, no nothing, but this thing that I just 318 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.000 saw scared the hell out of me. 319 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.160 And I'm not going to say within forty. 320 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:25.559 Five minutes of us meeting there and this happening maybe 321 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.680 an hour, I told my friend. I said, there's nothing here. 322 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.359 I'm done, it's getting too hot. I'm going home. And 323 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.839 he was disappointed. He goes, Mike, I thought we were 324 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.799 going to you know, fish, I said, listen, heaues, I'm 325 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.279 just getting bored. I'm going to go home. I'm done 326 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.759 with today. And I didn't tell him what just happened. 327 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:46.240 I just wanted to get the hell out of there, 328 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:48.039 and I wanted to get him out of there in 329 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.880 a way that it didn't embarrass me, because I didn't 330 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:52.839 want to say what I just saw because he's going 331 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:59.400 to make fun of me. And so I walk, I'm 332 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.319 walking my way. I made sure he started walking his way, 333 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.640 and all the way home, I either thought he was 334 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:09.359 going to get attacked or I was going to get attacked, 335 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.359 and that fear stuck with me the whole walk home. 336 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.559 And either I told him to call or he called 337 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.720 me when he got home. I can't remember what, but 338 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.440 that's how worried I was. And I felt so guilty 339 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.519 that I didn't tell my friend that I'm sending him 340 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.400 home and this thing is like gonna come out of 341 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.680 the woods and get one of them, either him or me, 342 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:39.119 and that that guilt was real until I heard that 343 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.920 he was finally home. And you know, that's the extent 344 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.960 of that story. But then on a mutual of Omaha. 345 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:53.000 Then I saw the Sasquatch and I remember the what 346 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.559 you guys cause a Patty Gilman film whatever it was 347 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:58.880 on him and I saw that and I watched it 348 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.960 with my father on one Sunday, and I think it 349 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:07.960 was a mutual of Omaha, and my jaw dropped and 350 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.359 I almost wanted to tell my father, but I couldn't 351 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.720 tell him either. I mean, I don't know how long 352 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:18.319 the time was between I saw what I saw and 353 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:21.960 when I saw this bigfoot thing, that's what I saw, 354 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.400 but it was a different color, and my jaw hit 355 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.200 the floor and I'm like, holy shit, I mean this 356 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.720 is I really actually saw this, but I. 357 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.039 Couldn't ever tell anybody. 358 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.079 And then you know, I saw the Land of the 359 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.119 Lost thing, and then the six million dollar man thing 360 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.519 with the sausquash came out, you know, and you get 361 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.559 more exposure to this stuff as you know, time goes 362 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.880 on and I'm like, okay, there's something to it. Why 363 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:54.039 is there anything like that's being invented out there? So 364 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.839 I mean it had to happen before the Patty film 365 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:03.039 came out, that people experienced this stuff, and you know, 366 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.240 that's that's my story with the Sasquatch. I mean, you know, 367 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.000 you can ask me questions or whatever. But I saw 368 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:13.039 what I saw and I don't know where it went. 369 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.359 It just like disappeared. But I saw what I saw 370 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.359 and it stuck with me all these years. So I 371 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.599 try to tell my wife. Once she laughed at me. 372 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.279 And then one day we were driving by the pond 373 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.200 and I said, I saw a sauce squatch over there, 374 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:31.359 and you know, then I just made it up, you know, 375 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.000 I said, you know, I'm just kidding you, guys. I 376 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.680 was trying to scare you because I mean, didn't laughed 377 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:40.359 at by your kids. It's a whole other deal. But 378 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.359 so that's you know, my story with the encounter. 379 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.599 Did you ever go back to the pond as a 380 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.039 kid for fishing and stuff? 381 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.640 I did, but I I stayed at the edge at 382 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.839 the at the meeting place, which was right by the road. 383 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:01.400 And then. 384 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.480 One time I ventured by myself to the exact space. 385 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.880 And I'm looking and I'm looking and there was nothing there. 386 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.799 But I literally was scared and I wasn't fishing or anything. 387 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.480 I just wanted to say, did I dream this? No? 388 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:20.799 That the pond is there? 389 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.119 The same bushes are there, and I got out of 390 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:28.480 there real quick. And I don't think I really ventured 391 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:33.519 maybe three times back after that, and I think I'm 392 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:39.599 more I was more curious than anything. And since then 393 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.720 I've done some research on the ponds, and that's what 394 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.799 it was. It was a series of five or six 395 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.359 man made ponds. The big one was triangle the size 396 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.240 of a fishing football field, and the others were just 397 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.640 squares and they're still there to this day, although it's 398 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.559 been overdeveloped. The time I was there was full of 399 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.880 woods and the most I could get it was made 400 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.880 for the Sportsman club. They were like raising trout or something. 401 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:14.400