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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Nick Bramlock from Starbaroth, Pennsylvania. I played

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Jaxson Golf Court Golf Smarter episode seventy four. I know

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a story about John Matten that really isn't being told

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very much. I was reading all these obituaries about the

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Ace hardware ads and the light beer ads and meeting

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the Raiders sidelines after ten years, and every big moment

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in John Madden's life. But nowhere in any of these

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obituaries do I see word one about the longest single

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career of his life, which was morning radio in the

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Bay Area. And I thought, well, somebody has to tell

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that story. I look around, I go, well, Gene Nelson's

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been kind of out of the picture for years. Frank

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Dale's not going to write a piece al Heart's dead.

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I guess it's me. What I didn't know really well

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was the aya Geene Nelson part. As I was kind

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of scraping around looking for information, I ran across your

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podcast episode where you talked about meeting John at the

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radio station, about your conversations, where you played one of

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the answering machine messages the record for you and Joanne shamelessly, dude,

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I scraped some of that put it in the article

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and quoted you because you know, I knew you'd be

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okay with it. It hit me that I had a

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trusted friend, somebody I could come to who didn't know

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some of the origin myths of John Madden. On morning radio.

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Speaker 2: Mornings with Madden, our radio lives with an American Legend,

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featuring the author, my friend Stan Bunger.

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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ.

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Speaker 3: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Dan, Fred, great to be here. I mean, I'm I'm honored.

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I know you've done something like seven five hundred episodes and.

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Speaker 3: You're seven five hundred and one.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's kind of weird that we're doing this,

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but I have to do it. Let's establish right from

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the beginning that we've been friends for fifty years. Are

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we really going on fifty years?

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Speaker 1: Darn close to it? And I'm not sure that we've

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actually appeared broadcasts together since we were appearing on the

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same broadcast together as students at San Francisco State University.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't even call it a broadcast because it was

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it was only over a cable to the dorms. I

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was the morning DJ at San Francisco State's radio station.

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This is nineteen seventy five, seventy six, seventy seven, and.

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Speaker 3: You were my morning news guy.

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Speaker 2: So we were there at six in the morning and

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you were doing news and I was doing records.

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Speaker 1: And we thought we were that. We thought we were

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all that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were so impressed with ourselves. And here we

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are and a long time later, and we have one

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other thing in common. That is why you're here today,

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and that is John Madden. And I've told stories about

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my relationship with Madden on the show.

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Speaker 3: Episode eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: I think I told a lot of stories, and then

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when John passed away, I probably did some more. But

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you have just published a book called Mornings with Madden,

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My Radio life with an American Legend. Let me do

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the golf part real quick, and we'll get into more

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golf later. You and I were out on the golf course, what.

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Speaker 3: Two years ago, three years ago, yeah, yeah, a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of years ago, post COVID. We were playing one of

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my favorite courses, Corika Park in Alameda near your home,

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and you said, I'm thinking of doing a book about

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my time with Madden, and I'm like, what.

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Speaker 3: Y got there?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I will. And the backstory, of course, is that I,

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in my forty plus year radio career, spent most of

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the last twenty working with John Madden. Now I didn't

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in the booth of them. In fact, I never actually

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sat next to him for a broadcast, but he was

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an integral part of a morning radio show on KCBS

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in San Francisco, which happened to be the third station

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that he did this on. The first one was one

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that you worked that way back in the nineteen eighties,

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and for whatever reason, John kept doing a five to

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ten to fifteen minute every single weekday morning radio hit

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at a time when he didn't need the money, he

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really didn't need anything else taking up his life. He

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was John Mann, you know, I mean, the on air

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television personality, the ad pitch man, the guy behind the

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video game. All those things were going on concurrently. And

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when his time on radio ended in twenty eighteen, and

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the end of twenty twenty one, and it occurred to

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me that we had these thousands of recordings, and locked

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up in those recordings must be some gemstones, you know,

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some real wisdom, some wit, some teachable moments, whatever you

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want to call him, all of it in there. And

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then the question became, how do we get to that?

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think you know, you and a lot of other friends.

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of writing the book whether you were my friends or

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my enemies. When you said, oh, yeah, you should write

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published a year ago. So yeah, I get it.

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the process. Of course, it was having these recordings, But

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I was trying to answer a question that actually, it

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turned out you had one of the keys to and

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that was to be able to tell the story of

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this eighty two nineteen eighty two to twenty eighteen span

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of John Madden's life thirty six years during which he

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appeared faithfully every morning, a little brief time out for

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some medical crises, but not much on day area radio.

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at KYA Radio in San Francisco and K and KO.

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I mean it was a look. I have never been

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able to unravel those two statements. Kept swapping call letters,

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but another old book not mine. When Gene retires twelve

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years later, you'd think that'd be enough. Madden's had a

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great time. He's hung out with this legendary DJ Gen Nelson.

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been enough by then. Nineteen ninety four, John Madden somewhere

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in there. John had a couple of years where he

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made more money from CBS Sports than any single player

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in the NFL. I mean, imagine's been that big Wow. Yeah,

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still calling in every morning to Geen Nelson to talk.

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another Bay Area broadcast legend, Frank Dill, who happens to

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be an avid golfer. So there are a lot of

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Frank Dill John Madden golf stories. Frank retires three years later.

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Speaker 2: You keep saying that, and you're staying in the book,

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Come on, who is it? Steve McPartland never heard him, Okay.

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Speaker 1: History and you know, but apparently he ticked John off

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enough that John's like, I'm not doing this with this guy.

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Kevin Arrow, who was a real, you know, inside the

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box kind of guy, thought outside the box and said,

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you know what, he would be awesome. He would give

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us an appointment listening moment at fifteen every morning where

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bang bang bang bang.

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Speaker 1: Explain that, Yeah, I should explain the term. I mean

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in broadcasting, if you have something that people feel they

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you got to be there when it happens. And so

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eight fifteen, I mean, we have a story after a

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story of people saying I was late to work routinely

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because I was supposed to be in the office at

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eight fifteen, but I couldn't go in until I heard

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what Madden said. And it immediately like this, I mean,

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our ratings during that time slot skyrocketed. We ended up

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beating our longtime Nemesiskgo in the morning ratings battle as

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a result of that hour. And another shout out has

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to be given to a guy, nam Frank Oxerart, who

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was the station manager at KCBS. It was willing to

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go to New York to the suits at Corpora then

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say hey, this guy's worth it, you know, pay John

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Madden whatever it takes. I don't know what it was.

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get him on our station because it will change everything.

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and they hit it off right away. They were amazing together.

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that scene in the movie A Major League where they

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call Lou Brown he's run at a tire shot, and

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you say would you like to manage the Cleveland Indians

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me about a set of white walls. I'll get back

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to you. You know that was kind of my response.

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I had other stuff going on. I wasn't sure I

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say yes. And I know that management must have been

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terrified that I would be the next Steve Apartment, that

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I would screw this thing with Madden up by not

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getting how to play the game with John Madden. So

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the day before I'm sorry, I go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Person that right, with AlOH al Hart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And they hear impression in the book. I'm

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listening to the audiobook. Your impression of al Hart.

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Speaker 3: You nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's the sweetest, kindest, gentlest, funniest man anybody

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ever met. There's never been anybody who met Albarne. Well,

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what a jerk?

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day before they're gonna put me on the air for

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the first time. I come back in the summer of

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two thousand and they said, you really need to talk

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to coach. We got to get a call. And I

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know that management is thinking, jeez, this is this has

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got to work, this has got to work, this has

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gotta work. So I get on the call, and you know,

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I'm a little nervous. This is John freaking Madden right before.

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Speaker 1: Or in San Francisco. Mom and dad courted at Keysar Stadium.

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I'm like, oh, man, coach, I just want you to

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of you and you work on television. And my dad

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was a football coach and his dad was a football coach,

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and I love sports, any kind of sports, and Fred

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that's great, talk to you tomorrow. So you know, I

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hope I passed the audition at that point. And the

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next morning it's time for the first one. So I

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get the call from the newsroom, you know, in the intercom,

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saying okay, Madden's ready on line seven four, and I thought, okay,

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what's the topic. And there's this long silence, and I

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a conversation. That's a different animal.

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Speaker 3: Huge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, before we get to your first conversation with

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Madden on the air, let's get let's back up a

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little because I have to say I'm listening to the audiobook.

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I love listening to the audiobook because I've always loved

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your voice. But you were incredibly generous to me in

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this book. I was amazed, and I'm honest with you,

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I was like tearing up, going, he's still talking about me?

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Speaker 3: What is going on here?

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Speaker 2: And then at least two more times I'm only on

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chapter ten in the audio book, and at least two

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more times I.

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Speaker 3: Heard my name. I'm like, why are you doing this?

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Why do you keep throwing my.

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Speaker 1: Name in there? Well, you know, I'm going to cycle

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back to your podcast, right because when Coach passed away,

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my initial thought was, I know a story about John

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Madden that really isn't being told very much. I was

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reading all these obituaries about the Ace hardware ads and

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the light beer ads and leaving the Radar sidelines after

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ten years, and I mean every big moment in John

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Madden's life. But nowhere in any of these obituaries do

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I see word one about the longest single career of

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his life, which was morning radio in the Bay Area.

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And I thought, well, somebody has to tell that story.

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I look around, I go, well, Geene Nelson's been you know,

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kind of out of the picture for years. Frank Gale's

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not going to write a piece. Al Heart's dead, I

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guess it's me. And what I didn't know really well

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was the origin part, the KYA Gene Nelson part. And

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as I was kind of scraping around looking for information,

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meeting John at the radio station, about your conversations, where

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you played one of the answering machine messages the record

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for you and Joanne, and that I mean shameless the dude.

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I scraped some of that, put it in the article

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and quoted you because you know, I knew you'd be

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okay with it. But it hit me that I had

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trusted friend, somebody I could come to who didn't know

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some of the origin myth of John Madden on Morning Radio.

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and gone to the almost to the printer, a third

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party reached out to me. He said, would you like

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to be in touch with Gene Nelson? And I said, well,

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nobody talks to Gen Nelson. He's kind of, you know,

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checked himself out of out of the radio game. And

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and in my contact said I'll give you a mailing address.

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I haven't done in years. I will write an actual

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letter and put a stamp on it, put it in

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the mail, and I included my email address, thinking I

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don't know Gen Nelson does email. He's, you know, in

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his eighties. I guess uh, and my phone number. And

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two days later, Fred I got three missed calls from

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Gene Nelson in voicemails, and I'm thinking, I missed. You know,

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I have the big the big fish on the line,

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and I missed him. I finally was able to get

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back to him a couple of days later, and I

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told him I just wanted to talk to him a

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bit to get because I already finished the story. I

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just want to make sure that everything you told me

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about the beginning, you know, sort of jibe, and that

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maybe I could make this into a little bit of

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a preamble to the book. And Jeane talked to me

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for about twenty minutes. I was scrambling to record it all,

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and told some hilariously funny stories and stories that mapped

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to the same experience that Frank Dill and I had

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with Coach Matt and tied the whole thing together for me.

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Now I knew how it started. I had talked to

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the guy who started with him, who had the same

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feelings about working with John Mann that I did. And

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by the way, it heard some of the same stories

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which were as funny in nineteen eighty two as they

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were in twenty sixteen, which is kind of Madden's genius too, right,

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I mean he never failed to hang on to a

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good story if he figured he could recycled and use

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it again.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I always had the night if gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so just briefly, John was on the RKO Radio

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network and he was recording these two minute pieces for

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RKO Radio that were sent on a national basis to

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the r KO stations. And the director of sports at

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RKO at the time.

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Speaker 3: Was Charlie Steiner.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Steiner who.

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over for Vince Gully and is a radio voice for

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the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Ray, he's about to call a world series as we

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record this, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, well, fingers, are you know?

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Speaker 2: I mean that the network sure want to see that,

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of course, right, two biggest names and the Dodgers and

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the Yankees. And the Dodgers and the Yankees are the

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two biggest names anyway, So Charlie and I.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I would I would record.

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Speaker 2: John would come into the studio and we record two

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or three pieces that were each two minutes long. And

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we got very good at punch editing, you know, like

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he would read and just pick it up and I

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didn't have to edit anything.

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Speaker 3: We just did it live. And he was great at that,

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and he loved it. It was fun. And then we

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would talk for two hours.

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Speaker 2: About all these different things, including my goofy ideas, and

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he loved it, you know, he just loved that kind

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of stuff. And I actually my boss came in to

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me one day after John left and he said, you

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can't spend that much time talking to John.

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Speaker 3: You've got work to do. And I said, you want

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to tell him to leave?

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Speaker 1: Well, And you know, Fred that story and you told

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me that many years earlier. And I didn't really make

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all the dot connections until later. And just the other night,

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a neighbor of mine told me a story about him

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delivering industrial gases to a hospital here in the East Bay.

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He's waiting these canisters of oxygen or whatever in there

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and he sees John madd So he says, what can

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I meet it? And somebody says, yeah, sure, come out over.

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He's a nice guy. He'll talk to you. So my

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neighbor goes over. Madden says, how are you doing, man,

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what are you doing here? You know? And my old

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my neighbor says, well, you know, I delivering cryogenic gases

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to the hospital. And maddens, Oh, what's you know? Is

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that dangerous? I mean, as Most telling me the story,

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I stopped him. I go so he's asking you about you,

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and Most going yeah, okay. Fast forward a couple of

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years later, my neighbor runs into Madden again, I think

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a charity event, and he gets his moment at the

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end of the line. He shakes his hand. He goes,

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you know, we've actually met before, coach, and Madden looks

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at him and he goes, cryogenic gases, right, whoah right.

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But he was present in any if he was having

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a conversation with you. He wasn't looking over your shoulder

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to see who was bigger in the corner of the room.

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He was having a conversation with you any care And

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he remembered, which is a crazy part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and he So we did this. I was

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with him for like almost four years. I even at

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one point Charlie hired me.

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Speaker 2: He says, hey, You're going to have to go out

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to Madden's house recording this time.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what.

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Speaker 2: He goes, just rent some equipment and just go out

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to his house and record these pieces he's doing about

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the nineteen eighty four Olympics, which will be in Los Angeles,

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and and just get those and send them back down.

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It's like, okay, So I rent some gear. I drive

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out to Pleasanton, I pull into the into the cul

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de Sac and there are his two sons, Joe.

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Speaker 3: And and Mike.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah, playing basketball in the cul de Sac. Hi, guys,

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there was no exchange. I walk in the house. I've

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got this gear over my shoulders, you know, and bags.

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Those days you had to carry a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Gear to do it and recording, not like today.

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Speaker 2: And I walk in and John's sitting on the big

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lazy boy chair watching TV and his wife is standing

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on the kitchen counter. He's like, hey, hey, coach. He

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goes fred up forg She needs some help putting some

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stuff away. It's like, no problem, coach.

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Speaker 1: So that's so mad.

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Speaker 3: It's so mad.

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Speaker 2: And then and then I help her out and she's like,

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thank you. She's reaching down and thank you. And then

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he goes, all right, she's going to show you what bedroom.

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Just go in the bedroom and we'll work in there.

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And I was there for maybe an hour. We recorded

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some stuff, and I left and never never, you know,

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like never back at their house again. But in eighty

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four when I went to the Olympics, it was on

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my birthday and my brother bought us tickets and we

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went down there. He was there and he said, well,

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stop by the truck. You know, he was in the

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production truck, and we went in and said hello. And

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you know, I left the radio station in eighty six,

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and so that was pretty much it. I never never

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had a chance to talk to him again, except once

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when after all those times where he was telling me,

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you got to turn that into it, that into a business,

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that idea, that's a great idea, you got to turn

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that into a business.

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Speaker 3: And I had multiple.

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Speaker 2: Things going on that I was popping out of my mouth,

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and so one of them was starting to work, and

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it was the radio Baseball Cards, which I later turned

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into a podcast that we did. So nineteen eighty seven

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we did one hundred and sixty two episodes of Radio

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Baseball cards with Don Drysdale as the host, and John

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was gracious enough to give me over the phone a

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testimonial about it, and that was the lead in my

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demo that I would be sending out to radio stations.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Fred, the world it's out full of But there's

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quite a tribe of people who once John identified somebody

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as trustworthy, honest, loyal and also talented, because you couldn't

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just be a a hacker with John. In order to

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get in this inner circle, you had to deliver. But

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if you could and all of those things, John would

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go to the wall for you. He'd make sure that

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you got that meet He'd make sure that somebody read

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your proposal, whatever it was, because that's the way he operated.

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He I don't think he was out to save the world.

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I don't think he was trying to you know, be

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the center of a Kretzu you know, or the Madden

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World thing. But he was just loyal to people who

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he thought deserved, yeah, the opportunity to move on some better,

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and Mandiham did. There were production assistants over the years

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who became you know, network executives, largely because John would

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tell people this one's smart pay attention to him or her.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a golf podcast, and there are people

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tuning into hear about golf. So the one thing I remember,

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and this was at least at least a decade before

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I started playing golf, that I was with him, but

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I do remember him talking about, if I had to

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choose between golf and tennis, I would much rather be

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a tennis player, because when you're a bad tennis player,

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you're done in a half hour, and if you're a

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bad golfer, you're out there all day long.

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Speaker 1: This encapsulates the general overarching Madden golf philosophy in the book,

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and there were many many other episodes over on the

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Oarther that didn't make it into the book. He would

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often talk about exactly that. You know, first of all,

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none of us are really very good. And I'm speaking

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to you as a guy with as of this moment,

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a twenty four point four a GHI N index, So

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that puts me right there.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't, come on, we play a lot closer

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than that.

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Speaker 1: I've richly earned it, friend now. But the point being,

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I'm not a great golfer. I'm not thirty index, but

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also not in eighteen and I have my moments when

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you know you pure one and you think I love

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this game. Man, you fought it out, I cut a

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little draw, you know all of that. And then have

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moments where you wormburg a fairway wood and you think

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00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:55,799
what am I doing out here?

475
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well we've played a half dozen times together. I

476
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,480
love playing with you. I never thought like, oh my god,

477
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:02,279
here we go again.

478
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, I enjoyed playing with anybody, right, Anybody who you

479
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,880
know doesn't doesn't follow. I don't care about the actual

480
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,759
rules of the game. I care about the coreum of

481
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,880
the game. You're free to play and count whatever you want.

482
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,240
I don't care about that, Nor.

483
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,759
Speaker 3: Have I ever asked you, Okay, what are we playing

484
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:17,440
for in this game?

485
00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: Right?

486
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 3: But how much you want to play for it?

487
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, I don't gamble, but you know,

488
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,759
for me, anybody who wants to go out and have

489
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,440
a good time, be able to laugh at our own foibles.

490
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,480
I think I took some of that from John over

491
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,400
the years because I quit the game for a long time.

492
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,440
I wasn't getting better. It was taken too long to play,

493
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,119
and I'm thinking, you know, like a lot of people

494
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,599
in midlife, you get busy, the kids, the job, and

495
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720
all of a sudden, golf five hours of it or

496
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,720
six hours of it just doesn't seem like a really

497
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,039
wise investment. And John probably had more time, but he

498
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:51,319
didn't see it as a wise use of his time.

499
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,400
So among the other things, he'd says, I don't understand

500
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,920
why it's got to be eighteen holes. Why can't it

501
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,359
be like eleven or thirteen? Well, guess what, Why can't it?

502
00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:01,160
Why can't we have courses that are built in three

503
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,599
whole modules so you can play twelve or fifty.

504
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,759
Speaker 2: I've had I've had architects on We've talked about doing

505
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,279
it instead of two nines due to three sixes.

506
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not? Why not? Why don't courses eighteen a

507
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,119
whole tracks do a better job of figuring out how

508
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,839
to manage starting times so people can play the front

509
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,359
nine or the background, not just at dawn, you know,

510
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,279
before everybody comes around the turn, but I mean all

511
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,559
day long? Why not? And these were kinds of things

512
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,319
that John, you know, we would talk about all the

513
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,039
time because I think he loved, well, I know what,

514
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,480
he also loved that golf is a great way to

515
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,960
get out there and make fun of your buddies, right, yea, yeah,

516
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,599
that's what he did, even his buddy Dominic Mercurio, who

517
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
is always just referred to an ear as Dominic. Dominic's

518
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,279
a restaurant owner in Monterey. And apparently Dominic, you're not

519
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,359
a big guy, but apparently he hits it a ton

520
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,960
off the tee. Apparently I never played with Dominic or

521
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:59,319
John Dominic doesn't have much of a game. After the driver, Dominic,

522
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,480
you know, it up and hell, it's a hell out

523
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,279
of it. And then he goes up and he pulls that

524
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,680
tea out of the ground like that, like take that

525
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,400
and you know that sword coming out of the sheet,

526
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,720
unplugging the tea from the earth. You know. But then

527
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,279
after that everything goes south, and all Dominic wants to

528
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,759
talk about, you know, back in the clubhouse, you see

529
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,799
if I drive on seven and John said, yeah, but

530
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,319
after that and everything was horrible. I mean, he scalded

531
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,319
your three wood into the barker, then took you three

532
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,079
to get out of there, and then you know, so

533
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,799
you know, he he approached the game I think with

534
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,559
an attitude that was it's not going to get great.

535
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,559
You're not going to be great. Why would you get

536
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,000
upset at yourself if this is who you are.

537
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,079
Speaker 2: Right, right, And this is this book is not a biography, right,

538
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,400
this is not like the life of John Madden. This

539
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:58,960
is you telling stories of maddenisms. I don't know what

540
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,039
else to call him. It just like how things that

541
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,799
he said on the air and where it would go

542
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,799
and with direction is And as you stated earlier, it

543
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,160
was like, this is a conversation.

544
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,319
Speaker 3: It's not an interview.

545
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know the kind of conversation you know,

546
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,680
I know there's a phrase talking story, you know, talking

547
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,519
story where you're just hanging out with people. You're sharing

548
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,880
your live story, their live story. It's the funny thing

549
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,319
you saw, the thing you couldn't understand, you know, it's

550
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,400
it's it's what I love. It's just hanging out and talking.

551
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,079
John loved that too. He was an incredible observer, you know,

552
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,519
of everything, you know, the world around, in the human condition,

553
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:40,039
all of it, and so he loved to talk about that.

554
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,559
So some ofod he just was baffled by. Some of

555
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,319
it he flat out and said, I don't get that,

556
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,920
you know, I don't get Grits was one that he

557
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,559
told me one time, and I shared that with Peyton Manning,

558
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:51,960
who I was able to get to write the forward

559
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,680
for the post. Yeah.

560
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about that, Like.

561
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:56,279
Speaker 1: What do you mean he doesn't like Grits? I said,

562
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:57,920
I don't know, man, I mean he's not around to

563
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,240
ask anymore. And Peyton's going, now, I'm not down with that, man,

564
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,359
I love Grits, not going. Yeah, me too. And I'm

565
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,920
not even from New Orleans and didn't play at the

566
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,240
University of Tennessee. You.

567
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:14,319
Speaker 2: So the forward in the book is by Peyton Manning. Yeah,

568
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,200
congratulations on that. That is quite a coup.

569
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: Well, I have to thank Steve Mariucci for that. Fred,

570
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,480
here's a quick backstory. I'd never written a book before.

571
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,960
I know that no freaking clue of what it meant

572
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,920
to write a book. I pitched one very well known

573
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,279
agent and her response was, I don't know. John Madden's dead,

574
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,599
isn't he? And I said yeah. But I apparently wasn't

575
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,559
able to explain what it was I was trying to

576
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:37,920
do with the.

577
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: Bo You didn't have the good elevator pitch going right,

578
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:40,599
We'll think.

579
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,599
Speaker 1: I did, or it was a pitch that didn't fit

580
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200
a narrow box. It wasn't about It wasn't an oral history.

581
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,119
It wasn't you know whatever. It was just my story

582
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,400
about my life of John Madden and why he did radio,

583
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,839
and the funny stuff and why stuff he said. And

584
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480
so during the pitch meeting, it's a zoom call with

585
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,440
these editors from Triumph Books, and I can tell her interested,

586
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,359
or else they wouldn't have scheduled the call. And I

587
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,839
know they're interested because the publisher is on the call,

588
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,640
not just the younger editors. And the questions I'd been anticipating,

589
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,160
I'm answering. And then they say, well, who do you

590
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,839
think you can get to write the forward? I was

591
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,240
so naive about this whole process. I thought they went

592
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,079
and got somebody to write the forward. I didn't know

593
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,519
that was my job as the author. Just oh wow,

594
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:29,400
the time is that dumb? So I said, I'm well,

595
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,359
maybe Tony LaRussa, because he's a friend of John Madden's. Well,

596
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,519
saying that to a group of book people in Chicago,

597
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,559
where Tony had recently flamed out as the manager of

598
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,720
the White Sox. And by the way, they're North Siders,

599
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:42,759
not a good move. I can see their faces.

600
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: All drops are white SOX twice.

601
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right.

602
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,039
Speaker 3: Right, And it was a competitor in Saint Louis.

603
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah not yet, not a Chicago win, not a good

604
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
good name, right, So okay, now I'm now I'm scrambling.

605
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,640
I'm thinking, uh, well maybe al Michael's. Uh you know,

606
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240
because worked with John and I had a couple of

607
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680
possible entrees to Al. I thought, wow, okay, and then

608
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,559
I just threw Peyton's day Man. I said, or Peyton Manning.

609
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,960
Man They all lit up. You can get Peyton Manning.

610
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,799
I'm going I'll try it. I got off that call

611
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,519
and I immediately text Steve Mariucci and I said, Mooch,

612
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
do you think you could get me to either Al

613
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,079
Michaels or Peyton Manning to write it forward for the book?

614
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,200
And much knew about the book in general. And all

615
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,920
I got back was I'll try. And then I didn't

616
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920
hear from him for like three months, and I'll try.

617
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,359
As the shortest communication I've ever had with Mooch.

618
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 2: So wait, give a little backstory on Mooch, because again

619
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,880
golf audience may not know, may not follow the NFL.

620
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: So Steve Mariucci from Iron Mountain, Michigan, where His boyhood

621
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,359
friend was Tom Izzo, who became the basketball coach at

622
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,079
Michigan State and won national championships. So you've got a

623
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:58,440
parallel story there, these two boyhood buddies and John Madden

624
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,799
and his boyhood friend John Robinson, who won a national

625
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:06,319
championship coaching USC is in the College Football Hall of Fame. Remarkable, right,

626
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:09,640
two different hairs from two different parts of the country.

627
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,039
Madden and Mariucci need a I think Mariucci was the

628
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,680
offensive coordinator of quarterbacks coach with the Packers at the time.

629
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,359
John was still doing national broadcasts and he was just

630
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,119
taken by Steve Marriuchi. They famously got on the bus

631
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,400
one day, the Madden Cruiser to tour Green Bay and

632
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,640
Mariuchi is going to sho him where everybody lived. Allow,

633
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,519
that's where That's where McCarthy lives over there, Brett Farr

634
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,079
lives in that house. And then you know they're pulling

635
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,720
the Madden Cruiser up like in Culda Sacks in Green

636
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,559
Bay and having to back out.

637
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: Or if you've ever been to Green Bay, have you

638
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680
ever been spent time there? Yeah, she's not what you

639
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:44,640
call a big city.

640
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,519
Speaker 1: No, take any suburban neighborhood anywhere and put a football

641
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:49,880
stadium in the middle of that's green.

642
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,079
Speaker 2: It's bizarre because it's I worked there twice. At the stadium,

643
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,319
they did fan festival, and I worked there twice. And

644
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,160
you like, you get out of the airport and to

645
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,039
go to the hotel, you cross the street from the airport.

646
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not a big deal.

647
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: And then to get to the stadium, you come out

648
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,279
of the parking lot of the hotel. You turn left,

649
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,960
You go down about a quarter mile. You turn left

650
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,680
at the first signal, you go down another half mile.

651
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,799
There's another signal, you turn right, you go a half

652
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:19,440
mile again, and you're at this stadium.

653
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: There is an entire three five thousand seat stadium.

654
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,119
Speaker 2: Right it's an eighty thousand seat stadium with one hundred

655
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,480
and three thousand people in the entire town. So I

656
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,359
always figured the best job to have is to break

657
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
into houses on Sunday because.

658
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: Nobody's the only no one's going to be home because

659
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
they're either at the game or working at the game.

660
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: There just a few out of town guests who didn't

661
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,319
like football or was right. So anyway, madd and Steve

662
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,599
Berriouchia and Mariucci that day has brought with him a

663
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,880
bag full of pasties, Cornish pasties, which are meat pies

664
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,000
that were brought over to America by the Cornish miners

665
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,640
who populated the Upper penninsul Love, Michigan and Iron Mountain.

666
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Mariucci's hometown has got a lot of that heritage. Mariucci said,

667
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,400
heritage is Italian. Madd needs one of these, and he's smit.

668
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,799
He's a freight mooch. You know, he probably ate three

669
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,559
or four or eight of them, to be honest. There

670
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,240
begins a bond which then begins to include Bacci, which

671
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,440
Steve Mariucci is into. He gets Madden engaged, and Madden

672
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,200
now starts to play Boggi. What they came up with

673
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,039
was the world's greatest fundraiser, with all due difference to

674
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,720
every way too long golf scramble fundraiser anybody ever suffered

675
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,759
through a day at the BACI tournament is better because

676
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,240
guess what, You're not out all day. Your matches last

677
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
thirty minutes in between eating, drinking and hanging out. It

678
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,960
would be as if after every shot on the scramble

679
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,720
you could eat, drink and hang out instead of back

680
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,200
to the clubhouse for the auction, right, and so they

681
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,759
turned this thing into a multimillion dollar fundraiser and of

682
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,759
course engage people who Bachi's kind of easy to learn,

683
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,240
a lot easier to learn than golf, and so you know,

684
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,519
that became the nucleus of the of their relationship and friendship.

685
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,719
And Steve Mariucci coach. He was the head coach at

686
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,480
University of California, then for the San Francisco forty nine ers.

687
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:14,960
Then he had a job with the Detroit Lions and

688
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,880
I'm forgetting whether he was head coach or general manager

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,039
or whether. And then he's now working on the NFL

690
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:22,719
network as an analysts and he's really one of the

691
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,840
best because he's enthusiastic and smart and doesn't take himself

692
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,000
too seriously.

693
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,159
Speaker 3: Right, And so he led you to Peyton Manning that

694
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,280
he came through.

695
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,039
Speaker 1: Well, he finally did mnth's go by months. Thanks for

696
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,440
keeping me on track, by the way, I can tell

697
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,679
you're a professional. Let's go by. And I've not heard

698
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,039
from him, and I thought, I'm screwed. You know, now

699
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,360
I'm trying to reach out to my third level sources

700
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,000
on al Michael's and that isn't working. And one day

701
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,639
I get like three texts and three missed calls from

702
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,480
Marucci Peyton. O'll look, you gotta get a hold of

703
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,039
right away. And so I reached out to the number

704
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,039
for Peyton's assistant that mooch gate me. She was awesome.

705
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,119
She said, here's how it's going to work. Peyton will

706
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,960
give you about twenty minutes on the phone. Then you'll

707
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,039
write it up and you'll send it over for approval,

708
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,400
and he'll approve it whatever changes need to be made,

709
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,440
and then you go, Well, I kind of cheated because

710
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,880
I kind of wrote it a little bit in advance,

711
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,559
just trying to pull in a few of the threads

712
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,119
that were in the book. And also, you know, kind

713
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,559
of do I wanted to make sure, you know, and

714
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:26,880
things like that were in there, right, So I did,

715
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,320
and then I had to call with Peyton and he

716
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,559
told me a few more things that I had weren't

717
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,320
out there in the public sphere, including talking about a

718
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,599
photo that he keeps on his desk at his office

719
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,519
outside of Denver, of him and that and the two

720
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,559
of them. I might be able to well, anyway, it's

721
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,920
in the book, and when it turns out I thought, well,

722
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,039
that's a personal photo and I'm the seeking permission from

723
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:48,800
Peyton to use it. Oh yeah, you can use it.

724
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,719
My editor at Triumph Books does some digging. He says, well, actually,

725
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,519
that's a crop out of a foreshot of John and

726
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,519
Peyton and Philip Rivers of the Chargers and whoever else

727
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:04,159
was on the brocass in Indianapolis. Peyton's like skinny back

728
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,719
when he was still with the Colts, looking at John

729
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:15,119
like puppy dog. And anyway, I right up the forward.

730
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,519
I send it to Peyton. Honest to Godfred it's like

731
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,880
five minutes. I get a response from Emila, the assistant, saying,

732
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:22,800
Peyton says it's great. There are a couple of things.

733
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,719
He thinks you didn't get quite right, can you? So okay,

734
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480
I send it right back. Five more minutes. Peyton says

735
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,519
it's good, he loves it. And and then for our

736
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,719
worldwide launch event, I thought, man, it would be great

737
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,880
if we got Peyton' start going to be there. But

738
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,119
what if we'll just get Peyton to record a video

739
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,440
same thing. Five minutes Peyton says, he'll do it, you know,

740
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:41,119
just send him.

741
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 2: Her outgoing answering machine.

742
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just send him a script, and you know

743
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:48,639
I did, and you know you were at the event.

744
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,199
Peyton nailed it, brought down the house.

745
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: Nailed it.

746
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: And he's an important figure in this whole John Madden's

747
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,400
story because I think he is the heir to John's

748
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,119
mantle as sort of the soul and conscience of pro football.

749
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,599
He loves the game dearly. He's also a new generation version.

750
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,360
You know. But if there had been an opportunity to

751
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
do a you know, a Peyton Manning cast back when

752
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,039
John Madden was starting, John Madden would have done the

753
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,119
Madden cast that he would have killed, right. You imagine

754
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,159
you or me or anybody just sitting with John doing

755
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,960
what Peyton and Eli do you know, on the sidelines

756
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,639
of a of a broadcast. John would have been great

757
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,239
at it. But John was great at all the other

758
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,960
stuff he did do. Peyton's just a new version.

759
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I kind of you know, I

760
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,800
listened Troy Aikman to me. When I'm listening to him,

761
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,760
I'm like, I hear.

762
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: Madden in him.

763
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,159
Speaker 1: Well, there are two guys, tro John loved Troy Aikman

764
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,639
during the years when Troy was playing. I know he

765
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,039
helped Troy. With the beginnings of his broadcast career, John

766
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:52,960
had a kind of a short list of these people.

767
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:58,400
He just identified them. Troy, Peyton, Brett Farr, you know

768
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,840
who I know is following out a favorite a lot

769
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,760
of way. But John and Brett Farve really got along

770
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,760
quite well. Andy Reid and John are like this where

771
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,000
I'm sorry. You know, there's a list of them. Rod Rivera,

772
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,039
the former cal Line banker coach in the NFL. I mean,

773
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,159
these are people that John just identified as good people.

774
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,920
He would always say about somebody, he's one of the

775
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,559
good ones, and it that's high praise, you know, one

776
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:24,239
of the good ones.

777
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: I mentioned that.

778
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: I've been listening to the audio book and listening to

779
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,519
your voice, and you break into Madden all through the book,

780
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,320
and you really get good at it. You know, as

781
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,800
the book progresses, you're getting better and better through it.

782
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,679
Speaker 1: I've started out at zero because I didn't think I

783
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,880
was going to have to read the maddened parts. I

784
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,800
thought they would surely hire somebody else with a different voice.

785
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,679
Speaker 2: So, you know, is it okay for me to ask

786
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,840
you why in the audio book? You know, you've got

787
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,280
hours and hours, hundreds of hours of audio of you

788
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,320
and John that it's not in the audiobook is yeah.

789
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: No. When I started the project, I assumed that were

790
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,360
there to be a book contracted all in an audiobook

791
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,519
in particular, that we would just port the audio that

792
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,760
I had over into the book. You know, I used

793
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,000
the transcriptions of the audio to write the book book.

794
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,519
But what it turned out was that there had been

795
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:28,880
an arrangement between the Maddeness State and Hollywood basically for

796
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,440
the rights to all things John Madden to be licensed.

797
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,920
And you know, there are at least a couple of

798
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,000
movie projects, one for sure, big one, and then some

799
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,639
documentary stuff underway. Now I don't know that the radio

800
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,840
stuff will ever appear in these things, but it might. Write.

801
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,559
So it was made clear to me that the audio

802
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,280
would be off limits. You know, we're not here and

803
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,840
there for personal appearances, but that to commercialize it in

804
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,639
that way wasn't going to happen, so kind of not

805
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,039
my problem. At that point, I thought, Okay, you know,

806
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,400
I'm not a big audiobook consumer. I don't mean any

807
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,079
disrespect to those who are. I just like to hold

808
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,880
a book and maybe I listened to too much audio

809
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,440
over my years radio. Actually myself and so fast forward

810
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,159
to this past July. The book is only three months

811
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,920
away from from publication, and I get an email I'm

812
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,119
in France at the time, from my publisher's office and saying, oh,

813
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,079
we've just about wrapped up negotiations with the audiobook publisher

814
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,199
Recorded Books, and they would like you to read the book.

815
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,960
I thought, oh, kind of hoping it would be Tom Hanks,

816
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,280
Matthew McConaughey.

817
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,039
Speaker 3: Or you know, no, no, no, you're better.

818
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,119
Speaker 1: Anyway, So I said, Okay. The day comes and I

819
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,480
and I and I reached out to the producer of

820
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,159
the audiobook saying, can you find somebody else to read

821
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,039
the Mad part? I recommended our mutual friend Mike Sugarman,

822
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,440
who has a little bit different voice from out I thought,

823
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,480
could read the mad part without trying to do a

824
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,719
mad impression, just read them in a voice and tone

825
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,119
that were a little different from my No, I think

826
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,840
probably that just out only do it. Maybe a budget thing,

827
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,880
I don't know. So I get into the recording studio

828
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,480
and I'm thinking, well, surely there'll be a director here

829
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,039
or producer to kind of, you know, say try this

830
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,920
a little more of that. I want you to feel

831
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,480
this no.

832
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,679
Speaker 3: I've done a couple.

833
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,199
Speaker 2: I've produced a couple of audio books, my wife's and

834
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,679
another one. And the other one was I had a

835
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,079
producer here and I had to build out my studio

836
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:30,880
and you know, like to make sure it worked right.

837
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:35,519
And this bridge like goes over every single word to

838
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,920
make sure you get it right, because people there's a

839
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,679
lot of people who listen to audiobooks and read along

840
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,159
the book.

841
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,519
Speaker 3: Oh no, so you can't.

842
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,679
Speaker 2: You can't diverge from what's on the printed page. You've

843
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,079
got to be exact on what's on the printed page.

844
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: This is amazing. Well, you know, when I got there,

845
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920
there was a twenty twenty four version of Fred Green

846
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,239
in the nineteen eighties. I've got a recording engineer. He

847
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,840
was a terrific young guy, and he's very, very diligent.

848
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,840
You know, he catches my mistakes. And I'm just trying

849
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,440
to kind of channel my grandpa reading to the grand

850
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,880
kid's style because I've never done this. And then, i mean,

851
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,079
without really thinking about it, I hit the first Madden

852
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,280
quote and all I can do is kind of try

853
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,639
to maybe be a little different and get back to

854
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,719
meeting reading the story. So I kind of thought I

855
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,280
figured there took two and a half days to record

856
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,360
eight and a half hours. Eh.

857
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,199
Speaker 3: It hard work, hard freaking work, even for a broadcast

858
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,239
veteran like you. Hard work.

859
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for had a long stretch. For me,

860
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,000
would be thirty seconds of speaking in a time. It's

861
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:44,960
not like a podcast where you got to talk all

862
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,559
this time. Right, So I assume they're going to send

863
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,480
it off to recorded books and so many back there

864
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,360
is going to go oh no, no, no, no, no

865
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,800
no no, go back to square one. As it turned out,

866
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,719
they asked me to come in and do like five

867
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,480
little pickups, you know where I obviously got the wrong word,

868
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,519
and now I realized because it was going to be

869
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,000
the word that somebody was reading in the book, and

870
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,880
that was it. And I haven't heard it yet. All

871
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,800
some people who have been listening, they've been enjoying it.

872
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:21,320
And I'm telling you.

873
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm really enjoying the audiobook. I

874
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,079
do like audiobooks, but I'm a podcast guy. So early

875
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,840
on in Golf Smarter's life, I had Audible as a sponsor,

876
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,840
and the research started coming out that people who listen

877
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,559
to audiobooks don't listen to podcasts. And people who listen

878
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,199
to podcasts don't have time to listen to audiobooks. They're

879
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,280
very time consuming and they and they just you find yourself,

880
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:48,599
like when you're in an audiobook or even in a

881
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:52,079
podcast series, you find yourself doing things where you can

882
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,239
stretch out time to be able to listen for long

883
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,199
periods of time.

884
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: I saw one of my neighbors driving around the block

885
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,280
three times the other day.

886
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: Listen to that was a podcast.

887
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,119
Speaker 1: It I had to be I'm sure it's all smarter,

888
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,159
but no, it was not say it was.

889
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: But let me just say in the book book, the

890
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,920
hardcover book, it's hardcover only at this.

891
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,639
Speaker 1: Point so far. Yeah, yeah, it works. I guess downstream

892
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,840
if it does well enough, then you know, a softcover paper.

893
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:21,639
Speaker 3: That would be a beautiful thing.

894
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,639
Speaker 2: And it's really awesome to see on the side the

895
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,400
side cover here and just to see your name with Madden.

896
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: It's like, so cool, man.

897
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: But I can't tell you how flattered I am because

898
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440
in the section that has in the middle of the book,

899
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,440
there's a section of photos and the first photo is

900
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,519
the one of me and John. I was so flattered

901
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:43,840
and I.

902
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: Was like, I am said that they lead well here's

903
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,880
another interesting point about about writing a book. Again, something

904
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,199
I didn't know. You know, I got to supply my

905
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,599
own photos. Now yeah, what yeah, there it is, I

906
00:44:54,599 --> 00:45:00,000
mean photo it says so much. And the first of all,

907
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,480
back the thread of the story that we told early

908
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:04,800
in the book about your relationship with John and the

909
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:12,519
radio station. But here's big Goofy Madden and I.

910
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: In my hebro.

911
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: Or as a friend said to me recently, whoa, you

912
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,280
had dark hair? Like, go to your room, what do

913
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,559
you mean? I had dark hair on both of.

914
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Us in the zeros and somebody wrote into the show

915
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,199
one time, I said the guy with the white hair,

916
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,079
and I'm going, whoa.

917
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: I know it's like, oh, yeah, that's me.

918
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, But yeah, I learned that you got to supply

919
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:39,039
your own photos. And so fortunately I had two different

920
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:41,159
friends who shot a lot of mad events, and one

921
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,920
of them, you know, wanted some compensation, which I don't

922
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,679
blame him for the other one was flying with it,

923
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,400
you know, not being compensated. They were willing to go

924
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,480
on and license a couple of photos. So I know

925
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,119
that there was a higher budget for this book than

926
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,519
many of the other books that friends have come across.

927
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,639
Have written where they literally had to go pay their own,

928
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:03,159
you know, licensing fees for photos if they was in

929
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:06,000
the book. So I mean, I feel really fortunate about that.

930
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,599
This publisher, you know, Tryump Books. They do a lot

931
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,440
of titles around sports. They've been really great to work

932
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,000
with and you know everybody, I haven't heard a bad

933
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,119
word about them from other authors who've worked for them.

934
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,199
So you know, got a great book wayed to be

935
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,320
written about sports, you know, pitch them.

936
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well, there is an entire chapter in the book

937
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:26,639
dedicated to golf.

938
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you know Fredick too. As I was

939
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,840
sorting out all of these thousands of recordings and they're

940
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,519
all transcribed, So now I've got this massive database of

941
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,159
text separated by each air date. So I knew when

942
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,000
given the show had aired because we'd recorded or we'd

943
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,559
saved them under a file name that had the air date.

944
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:48,960
But now where do you start? This is a big haystack.

945
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,199
You know, we're all the needles. So I began to

946
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,000
kind of organize themes that I remembered him talking about,

947
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,880
and golf was right at the top of that list.

948
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,760
Wow talked about golf a lot, and he he loved

949
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,639
a H the at and t H you know, Pebble

950
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,400
Beach pro am. He became very good friends with Davis

951
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,639
Love the third, who he loved not just as a golfer,

952
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,360
but as a guy to hang out with because d

953
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,159
L three apparently really really liked to eat, and if

954
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,159
you really really like to eat, your friends with John

955
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,840
Madden in John Madden's corner. And so you know these stories.

956
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,360
There were stories about him, you know, fighting his way

957
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,840
around the course down at Pebble Beach. He had all

958
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,960
of his secret hide the ways you can to remember

959
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,280
he was doing that back in the eighties, so things

960
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,400
weren't hadn't quite as exploded, you know on the PGAH

961
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,159
or the way they have now. The money was it

962
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,239
was still pretty good money, but it was a different world,

963
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,159
you know, like everything was, I guess in the eighties.

964
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,800
And so there are stories about him, you know, gawking

965
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:50,599
at guys at the driving range and thinking equipment is

966
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:54,039
the answer, This will fix everything, and then realizing no,

967
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,440
it's not the answer. But the first cell a lot

968
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,480
of the equipment, don't they Those are observations that anybody

969
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:03,719
who's been afflicted by golf, you know, I think all

970
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,519
of us who play the game, whatever level we play

971
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:07,840
it at. I mean, I guess there might be some

972
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,719
people way up at the top who don't get the

973
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,039
inherent weirdness of golf. But if you play the game

974
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,559
the way most of us play, you know, golf's weird.

975
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,719
I mean, who goes out there with a stick and

976
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,760
tries to hit a round thing all the way down there,

977
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,480
and then the miracle of being able to do it

978
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,199
even in five strokes on a power four, to go

979
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,960
from here to all the way there into a little cup.

980
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,880
It's insane. Who you know? Who embedded this thing? Why

981
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,480
do we do it? It's all okay, And John just

982
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:31,599
laughed about all that.

983
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: I've just come really, and I've said this for years.

984
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: It's like the ball.

985
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's the hardest sport I've ever played, and

986
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,840
the ball's just sitting there.

987
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it's not even moving.

988
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,599
Speaker 2: But I just realized recently, if it moves, you're completely

989
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:48,239
freaked out.

990
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, John. One of John's favorite things was

991
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,679
to say, you know, in golf, they tell you got

992
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,920
to be perfectly still and stand up. That's the opposite

993
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,920
of every other sport I've ever played, where you got

994
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,960
to get down low and be moving right.

995
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:14,039
Speaker 2: And you and many people could go on and on

996
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,719
and on about John.

997
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,559
Speaker 3: But there's two things that I want to bring up.

998
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: One you kind of under your breath listening to you,

999
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,119
you know, read the book, but it's your voice. You

1000
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:31,679
mentioned that you and your wife did this eleven thousand

1001
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,760
mile road trip. I don't know about this.

1002
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: What did you?

1003
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,679
Speaker 3: When did this happen? And how did that?

1004
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:39,199
Speaker 1: Now?

1005
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,119
Speaker 2: Let me just say that going to this the book

1006
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,400
launch event the other night, which was fantastic and I

1007
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,880
loved it and great seeing people that I hadn't seen

1008
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,639
in many years. One of them, which was your wife, Well,

1009
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,039
I haven't seen since college.

1010
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:54,159
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1011
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't think i've seen her since college. And I

1012
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,400
walked up to her and she looks at me and

1013
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,119
she goes, I recognize you.

1014
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 3: And I said Fred Green. She screamed, she burned out.

1015
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't but you know, and then

1016
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,159
we joked about how when I knew her, when you know,

1017
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,360
when we were in our early twenties, that you know,

1018
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,760
we kind of looked alike. And I'm like, oh no, no, no, no.

1019
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,280
The pictures that I've seen of your son as a

1020
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,440
teenager looks exactly like I did as a teenager.

1021
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: But true, it's very weird. I don't even want to

1022
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,960
get that deeply into genealogy, so I'm afraid I'm going

1023
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,440
to find out that I'm related to you. Yeah, which

1024
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,280
we threw it everything.

1025
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: Actually, my brother and Ali last name is bunker.

1026
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,079
Speaker 1: Well. You know, so as I was nearing retirement and

1027
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,079
this was now in COVID. You know, my last was

1028
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,840
in June of twenty twenty one, so everything was kind

1029
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,320
of weird. We'd gone through a year and a half

1030
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,480
a weird at that. Yeah, And John always had a phrase.

1031
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,920
John always would say, if you say you're going to retire,

1032
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,199
you've already retired. He didn't understand a farewell tour of

1033
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,360
an athlete saying this will be my last season and

1034
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,719
then you know, getting the keys to the corvette and

1035
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,760
the fishing boat and all that at every ballpark around

1036
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,639
the league. In John's mind, you you ran through the

1037
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,760
finish line every year, and then you took stock and

1038
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
if that stock taking legend to decide that's it, then

1039
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,199
you walked away. And he did that with the Raiders,

1040
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,559
and he did it again with NBC at the end

1041
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,360
of his television career. So that was always kind of

1042
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,480
a back of my mind joke. If you say you're

1043
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,880
going to retire, you've already done it. Well, I sent

1044
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,320
word to him that I was going to retire. By then,

1045
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,719
he'd already stopped doing radio. So we were just I'd

1046
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,440
see him once in a while, but I'd got to

1047
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,840
watch football games. We texted from time to time. I'd

1048
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,880
get a message out of nowhere from John and you know,

1049
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,960
it was it was, And so I told it my

1050
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,360
wife and I had decided, and I think, you know,

1051
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:52,320
June of twenty one, COVID had drove a lot of

1052
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,599
the decision. Let's just get in the car and drive

1053
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,280
around the country and catch up with friends and family

1054
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,880
we haven't seen in some cases in many years. Seat

1055
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,719
places we've never seen, like the Deep South and and

1056
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,679
the Blues Trail and Memphis. And you know, our friend

1057
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,159
Ted Robinson, the great Emmy Award winning sports announcer. His

1058
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,039
wife Mary grew up on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan

1059
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,599
and still has a home there, and they would retire

1060
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:20,880
to that home every summer, retreat to it, I guess.

1061
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,079
And so we said we're going to we talked about

1062
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:24,599
it for your let's to spend some time with Ted

1063
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,719
Mary up but you know, Michigan. Anyway, we did all

1064
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,159
this Stopton Green Bay, took a photo outs in the stadium,

1065
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,639
Send it to John, send it to mooch and eleven

1066
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,840
thousand miles later. But along the way before I left,

1067
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,119
John texted me and said, uh, before you go on

1068
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:44,639
the trip, read Travels with Charlie by John Steinbeck. And

1069
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,519
that had all he had always said, that, that book

1070
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,239
and the notion of seeing America in Steinbeck's case with

1071
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,519
his poodle Charlie, with his camper pickup camper while he

1072
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,119
was already I think he might have already had the

1073
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:58,880
Nobel Prize. By that, I mean this was a you know,

1074
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,679
John Sidebeck wasn't to beg or when he did this

1075
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:06,679
helped John Madden see a way of seeing America, you know,

1076
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,639
get out and walk the real people and Virginia. Turns

1077
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,119
out John's widow was either an English or creative writing

1078
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,199
major at cal Poly, and Steinbick was her specialty. She said,

1079
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,599
collective I picked books, So I wrote back to Coach.

1080
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:22,320
I said, well, I read Travels with Charlie a long

1081
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,519
time ago. Coach and he wrote right back, read it again.

1082
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,760
So I thought I bought a copy. And my deal

1083
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,920
was every night on the trip, I would read a

1084
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:32,960
chapter or some of a chapter before going to bed,

1085
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,519
and often I have a text coach. My wife did

1086
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,920
all the driving. By the way, also important to note, wow,

1087
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,960
she prefers to do the driving. I'm all right with it.

1088
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:41,719
I like to drive, but I'm good with having the

1089
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,280
iPad and the navigation in my lap, and you know,

1090
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:46,679
on the roadside, I can look it up and tell

1091
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,239
her what it was. So fast forward to you know,

1092
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,199
nearly in the end of the trip, we're coming into

1093
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440
New Orleans, and I just was finishing the book, and

1094
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,719
what I had forgotten about the end of Travels with

1095
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,639
char is the last chapter, I think is the story

1096
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400
of and I believe it's Ruby Bridges, the young black

1097
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,280
girl who you know, was desegregating a lily white school,

1098
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,440
and the vicious racism that was going on in New

1099
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,199
Orleans and in the South at that time. Steinbeck writes

1100
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,639
about vividly I'd forgotten that from my earlier reading of

1101
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,199
the book. I'd kept the gauzy, hazy memories of you know,

1102
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,639
roadside America. And then it all snapped together because what

1103
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,239
Coach was telling me was there's an important message in

1104
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,639
this book beyond Roadside of America. And you know that

1105
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,559
that speaks of who John was. I mean John, you know,

1106
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,199
he didn't care what were, what gender, you or any

1107
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,039
of them. Now if you, if you fit John's model

1108
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,559
of what a good human being is, you were in

1109
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,519
and you know the Raiders.

1110
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,079
Speaker 3: Who was a teacher. He started out as a teacher.

1111
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's possible to see a version of John Madden's

1112
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,719
story in Virginia's story that ends at you know, Nipomo

1113
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,800
Middle School down there in the central coast in California,

1114
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,760
with a long career as the pe coach, and Virginia

1115
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,440
becomes the principal. I think in that version of the story,

1116
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,360
I don't think the principal, or maybe Virginia's the superintendent.

1117
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,199
But you know, that could easily have been the way

1118
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,719
this thing came out, you know, because that was there

1119
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,880
was ever any attention to become everything he became.

1120
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I hate wrapping up on something

1121
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,960
that's not part of the book, but because I really want,

1122
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,119
I really want people to read this book. I hope

1123
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:36,559
you have a great success with this again. It's called

1124
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,840
Mornings with Madden, My Radio life with an American Legend

1125
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:40,639
by Stan Bunger.

1126
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 3: What didn't you you you briefly mentioned this earlier. What

1127
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,639
didn't make it into the book?

1128
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there are probably one hundred iterations of

1129
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:53,880
other uh stories that fit within the silos. You know,

1130
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,519
the golf chapter, the dog's chapter, the eating chapter that

1131
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,400
that didn't make it in. You know what got left out?

1132
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,159
A lot of what got left out Fred, to be honest,

1133
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,880
was just the day to day's stuff that at the

1134
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,800
time seemed kind of important. Oh, you know, a new

1135
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,800
contract for or somebody got traded, or you know, who's

1136
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,239
going to start its news sports news, right, but you

1137
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,480
know what, the fact that that sport snooze, sports snooze, right,

1138
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,800
even if it had been news news. A lot of

1139
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,280
it was stuff that, you know, guess what a month

1140
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,760
or there's a lesson there, right, this is just today's stuff.

1141
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,960
It's going to go away. What sticks? What matters, what's eternal?

1142
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,960
I guess the literal answer to what didn't make it

1143
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:41,519
into the book would be John's appearance with us in

1144
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,639
the morning of nine to eleven, where he was in

1145
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,480
New York City at the Dakota where he had an apartment,

1146
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,639
and you know, we're at our wall to wall coverage

1147
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:54,480
of this incredible real time tragedy. I'm doing this myself

1148
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,760
at the radio station, pulling in feeds from here and there,

1149
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,320
trying to keep an eye on live video feeds, and

1150
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,519
eight fifteen comes up, and I probably didn't even know

1151
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:03,519
what it had come up. And at some point somebody

1152
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,639
in the newsroom said, you know, assume we're not doing

1153
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:11,079
mad today because you know, and I think my might

1154
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,119
at first said yeah, yeah, yeah, we're too busy, and

1155
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,039
then I think I don't know whether somebody reminded me

1156
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,280
he was in New York or if I said, wait,

1157
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:19,920
he's in New York and he can do this, and

1158
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,440
they said, yeah, yeah, he's ready. So we put him on.

1159
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,119
And what he had done, of course, was gone down

1160
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,760
the street and walked around on the Upper West Side

1161
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,280
and seen people covered with soot and ashes, fleeing with

1162
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,280
horror on their I mean, and he told that story

1163
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,239
on the radio in a way that you know, not again,

1164
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,159
not a train journalist, just the world's greatest storyteller. And

1165
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,480
you know the reason it's not The book is it

1166
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:51,079
never got saved. The recording system we had at the

1167
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,800
time would record at eight fifteen for about fifteen minutes,

1168
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,400
and since we didn't do it right at eight fifteen,

1169
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:00,400
it didn't get recorded. Everybody was running around easy that

1170
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,519
day and nobody thought to hit record anywhere. I keep

1171
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,400
living with the hope that somewhere there's some radio junkie

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who somehow recorded this, or maybe like in that movie Contact,

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you know, where the message coming to the broadcast comes

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back from space one hundred years later or whatever. You

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know that this John Madden, which to me, You know,

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it's the most unlike John Madden thing of all the

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things John madd never did, but the most John Madden

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00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,320
thing John Madden never did. Tell a story in real

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time with empathy and with precision. Doesn't get any better. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And you said something in the book I need

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to I need to slap your wrist on this one.

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You said you were jealous of me. You said you

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00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,239
were jealous of me out of college. Oh yeah, Like

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here we are fifty years later, dude, and you became

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the star. You were a Bay Area legend and in

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the in the Radio Hall of Fame here in the

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Bay Area they don't recognize production.

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Speaker 3: Guys were only there for a decade. I was gone out.

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I left radio after a decade, but still you became

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the star, so you wan't to talk about jealous Well.

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Speaker 1: Fred, thank you. I mean the truth is I was

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a kid who read everything, hed get his hands on,

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asked too many questions and never shut up. And you know,

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,400
guess what they'll pay you to do that, it turns out. So,

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I mean, I was super lucky to see where I

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came from. But I was quite jealous of you early on,

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because you know, we left college in nineteen seventy seven

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and I set out into all these small towns where

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I was making literally four to fifty dollars a month

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I think, at one of my first jobs, and you

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were working in San Francisco, and I'm thinking, God, if

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I could just get to sacker matter, because you know,

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the radio game was played by market size. I ever thought, Oh,

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I'll stay here in South Lake Tahoe. Great place to live,

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but I mean they didn't pay much in radio. Meanwhile,

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my friend Fred and my other friend Jim, you know,

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00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,320
while our other running mate from college and occasional golf buddy,

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00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,920
you know, we're working in San Francisco, and I just

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thought these guys have got it. I screwed up, you know,

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so I was a little sealless.

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Speaker 2: No man like when people tell me, oh, my son's

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01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,960
graduating college and you got a job at Google, It's like, no, no, no, no, no,

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no no no.

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Speaker 3: You want to end up at Google. You don't want

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01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:18,280
it to be your first job.

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Speaker 1: No, Fred, There's something to that. And that's why it's

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so much fun to do this with you, because what

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I do order about your career is, you know, going

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01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,559
back to bed, let's circle back. You know, never work

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01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,880
a day in your life if you can help it, right,

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01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,760
but more importantly, find your passion and then let that follow.

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And you've done this, you know, through all of your

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,280
various endeavors. I mean, the fantasy play by play one

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01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,119
was my whole time favorite. You know, I do radio

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01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,880
booth and pretend you're the broadcaster and walk away with

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,559
the tape. Oh, by the way, Fred gets paid when

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you do it. This was just genius stuff. And the

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fact that you're still passionate about communicating and the podcast

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,880
is awesome. I mean, I love the fact that you

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ranged over all of the ask everything that's golf adjacent, right,

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01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,119
and you know if you love golf, well, okay, let's

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01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:11,719
spin from that anyway. Kudos to you for sticking with it,

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:18,840
and in this twenty eight thousandth episode, all.

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Speaker 3: Right again the book Mornings. Please buy it, please help

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my friend out.

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: The great news is I didn't set out to make

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any money, and every author I met recently said, don't expect.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: Don't expect.

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01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I tell people all the time, do you

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want to do a podcast, don't do it for the money.

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01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:37,880
So the book is called Mornings with Madden, My Radio

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,719
life with an American Legend, by my old friend and

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,639
golf buddy, Stan Bonger.

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01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: Stan, thanks so much, and congratulations Fred.

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01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me continue to get success

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01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:49,199
to you.

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01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:55,039
Speaker 2: Of course, I'll leave a link to the book on

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01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:58,239
Amazon and the show notes, and don't forget the audio book,

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01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,960
which I listened to and is also very entertaining. Thanks

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,199
go out this week to Nick from Lack from starvor Pa,

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01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:11,400
who received all three gifts for recording this week's episode intro.

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01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,079
You too can become a Golf Smarter Ambassador just like

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Nick and receive all three free gifts by either opening

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a future episode, or leaving an honest review from wherever

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01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,519
you follow golf Smarter. As you probably know from your

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01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:31,119
own experience, listen to reviews are the single greatest way

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to discover new podcasts.

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Speaker 3: If you write a view, make.

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Speaker 2: Sure you send me an email telling me where I

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can find it and what you said, and once we

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01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,360
confirm that, I'll get back to you with all of

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01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:47,280
your gift details. Some great questions are coming in about

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01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,840
our upcoming golf Smarter adventure to the Robert Trent Jones

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Trail next March. Really hope you can join me for

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three beautiful rounds of golf between March twenty six to

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the thirtieth, twenty twenty five, just outside of Birmingham, Alabama.

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Of all of the work that Tara and Allen of

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TMI Golf did to research and book this trip, one

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of the most compelling elements is that during the entire stay,

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we're only in one location, the alluring renaissance Birmingham ross

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details pricing an itinerary at TMI golf dot com slash

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Golf Smarter. That's TMI golf dot com slash Golf Smarter

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01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,599
and get back to me with any other questions that

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01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:40,960
you may have, or make sure that you put in

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01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,320
your reservation. Have you ever heard of the ain Point

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,239
putting system? Sure you have, because it's been so successful

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on the tour and with all of us recreational golfers too.

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01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:54,239
Speaker 3: Well.

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: This Friday on Golf Smarter Mulligans, we go back into

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01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,679
our archives for the first of a two part conversation

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,880
from January of twenty thirteen with the creator of aim Point,

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,400
Mark Sweeney. In part one, we'll get the full orientation

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and learn that it's introduction was not an obvious slam dunk.

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Speaker 4: Golf Channel picked up aime Point in January of seven,

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and you know, I told my wife in December of six,

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01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,599
I said, if they don't pick this up, I'm done.

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01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:25,880
I'm out, because I'd already kind of been through CBS

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and NBC and they were really the last network. The

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01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,159
problem with TV is there's only really three people to

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01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,039
choose from. You have three customers, and if they all

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01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,159
say no, then you're done. You're in business. And I

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,480
was literally within days of just giving up and moving on.

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Speaker 3: Could you have really walked away from it.

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01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:40,039
Speaker 1: At that point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well at that point, I mean, I loved it,

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but if there's no business for it, you know, you're

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01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,000
start to death. If I couldn't prove a legitimate business,

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it was time to move on, like it or not.

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Came down to really really a couple of days and

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around Christmas of six and Golf Channel didn't say, Hey, great,

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01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:58,320
we know we'll do this three year deal. They said,

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we'll do it one tournament.

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Speaker 2: That's Part one with Mark Sweeney this Friday, arriving right

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Golf Smarter. We're doing some heavy lifting on our website

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right now. It's a mishmash of things, and my web

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developer has just like hat it with me. So what

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I'm gonna do now is I'm going to redirect you

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to our distributors page that provides the complete list of

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But if you have any questions about our adventure, updates

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01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:37,559
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