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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn.

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<v Speaker 1>With your host Corey Winfield, you know there was a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why that didn't work out, and you can look

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<v Speaker 1>back at it and go, yep. I'm glad that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out how I wanted it, because I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been horrible and co host Martine Winningfield fairly expensive membership

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<v Speaker 1>to Cold Gym when I was in college, but I

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<v Speaker 1>use that all time. It is the eighth of August

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. My name is Cory Winfield, joined with

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<v Speaker 1>a very special guest on the podcast today, the one

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<v Speaker 1>that only mister Richard Tate. Richard, I will let you

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<v Speaker 1>introduce yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Richard Tate. I started Cliffside Malibu back in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and four, turned it into a treatment center in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five from Amend's Only Sober Living, sold

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<v Speaker 2>it in June of eighteen, twenty eighteen. Was forced into

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<v Speaker 2>a five year retirement due to my non compete. It

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<v Speaker 2>was purgatory. It was actually worse than that. It was hell.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm back with something that we started from scratch

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<v Speaker 2>called Carrera Treatment, Wellness and SPA which is one of one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the first of its kind anywhere. And I purchased

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<v Speaker 2>an affordable treatment center called One Method Center with twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four beds. It's in network with a few things right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be in network with everything hopefully by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year. Our dream is really to scale

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<v Speaker 2>to one thousand beds with the in network program and

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<v Speaker 2>treat the military and take the homeless right off the

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<v Speaker 2>street and treat them. We're going to do a pilot

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<v Speaker 2>program of twenty five people right off the street. They overlap,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot of them are veterans, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do a pilot program. We're going to follow them

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<v Speaker 2>around for six months, and we're going to submit the

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<v Speaker 2>data to the city, the state, and the federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to let them know this is a

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<v Speaker 2>model for the country. I can't take the streets anymore, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't take them. Okay, I see a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about kids beforehand. Congratulations on your newborn,

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<v Speaker 2>big deal, huge deal. And when I see a child

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<v Speaker 2>in an encampment, my throat starts to close. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even take it. And I've lived here fifty eight years

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<v Speaker 2>in LA and you know, all my friends are here,

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<v Speaker 2>my famili's here. I don't really go on vacation, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I live in LA and with where the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>am I going? You know what I mean? It's the

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<v Speaker 2>most beautiful city in the world on a Sunday morning

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<v Speaker 2>at six point thirty when you drive about the city,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just beautiful. Now, we live in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in certain areas in the third world country, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just and I just can't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the same problem here in Traverse City, not

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<v Speaker 1>nearly on the scale that they have in LA, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting bad. And Traverse City is kind of known

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<v Speaker 1>as a vacation city. You know, there's there's some money here,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you got people living in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods camping out, and people are like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we going to do about those people? Other

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<v Speaker 1>places come in. I'm not going to name agencies and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, because what they do does help people.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they help people, that's a business too. If

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<v Speaker 1>you came to my restaurant, Richard, and you're in there

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<v Speaker 1>and someone came in and said, hey, at five o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pay you one hundred dollars for every

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<v Speaker 1>person that's in your restaurant, I wouldn't make it easy

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<v Speaker 1>for you to leave, you know what I'm saying. And

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<v Speaker 1>there is a business side to that as well. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes money to buy beds to put electricity on.

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<v Speaker 1>But when grants are coming through and people are getting

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<v Speaker 1>like five six million dollars and the end result is

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<v Speaker 1>the same every year, something's got to change. Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're providing a roof for someone said, that's cool, but

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<v Speaker 1>where's the next step? And I like the approach that

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<v Speaker 1>you're taking, man. And of course governments, cities, states, they

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<v Speaker 1>love that data, so I think that's very important. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you do too. You seem like a smart guy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to give that to them, to track the

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<v Speaker 1>program and say this is working, this isn't working, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know as well as I know, that's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to work for every single person, but when it works

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<v Speaker 1>for eighty percent of them, that could be huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it ain't gonna work for eighty percent of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for two thirds. Okay. If I can get

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<v Speaker 2>two thirds, and I think that's realistic, we can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got a lot of plans for it. My

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<v Speaker 2>buddy Ken Kraft has got over twenty seven hundred beds

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<v Speaker 2>right now with people living in them in La. He's

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the tiny homes all over LA. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just a hero. He's a hero, and he wants

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<v Speaker 2>me to do his wrap around services. So maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it there, and I'll just move my staff down

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<v Speaker 2>there to do that and get more of them. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really decided. I'm actually going. When I get back,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to give a talk in the Hamptons. But

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<v Speaker 2>when i'm back, I'm going to go with a film

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<v Speaker 2>crew and I'm going to check out these places so

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<v Speaker 2>that I have it and I can go back and

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<v Speaker 2>look at it. I've got a concussion. I forget everything,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have to go ahead and do that so

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<v Speaker 2>that when I miss something, I can go back and

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<v Speaker 2>look at it over and over and over again and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what this is. Talk to everyone who works

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<v Speaker 2>there and people that live there, get the vibe of it,

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<v Speaker 2>See what they need, what's good, what could be worked on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that kind of thing. But you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>dream man. That's why I came back. I ain't missing

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<v Speaker 2>any meals anymore. Okay, that ain't happening. The Ventanyl issue

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst. Okay. I've been telling people since two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and fifteen, fourteen whatever it is, maybe even thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is the worst epidemic we've ever faced, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to get worse. And cut two, I

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<v Speaker 2>come back five years later, it's exponentially worse. Okay. With ventanyl,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got car fentanyl, which is fifty times stronger

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that than ventanyl. And then you've got trank, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>which is xylazine, which is a animal tranquilizer, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why they call it trank mixed with ventanyl. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a flesh eating drug. You hunch over and like

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<v Speaker 2>literally like your knuckles are touching the ground and it

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<v Speaker 2>opens up sores in your arms and legs where you inject,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they just keep injecting into the sore and

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<v Speaker 2>you're literally looking at their bone and you can't save

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<v Speaker 2>anybody because narcan doesn't work with it. So and it's

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to get off. And most people that are

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<v Speaker 2>taking fentanyl and trank and car fentanyl don't know it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know it sure because seven out of ten

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<v Speaker 2>pills right now in powder have fentanyl in it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you go ahead and you buy a percocet and

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<v Speaker 2>you think you're getting a perkoset and you're not getting

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<v Speaker 2>a purchase at laced with ventanyl, right, And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>people are dying. You have to look at it like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always explain it the same way. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very disciplined and I stay on message. The chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>to make fentanyl are brought from China and they are

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<v Speaker 2>sent to Latin American countries, primarily Mexico. And then you've

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<v Speaker 2>got some guy in a half's mat suit with a

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<v Speaker 2>big wooden stick and a huge vat and he's stirring

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<v Speaker 2>the shit, right, very scientific, and then they load him

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<v Speaker 2>into pill form, right into molds. And think of it

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<v Speaker 2>like a chocolate chip cookie. You bite into a chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>chip cookie, You've got all these chocolate chips, the chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>chips are fed, and all you're dead. Sometimes you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get any chips, or one chip, well you're not that high,

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<v Speaker 2>so you take another one. Now you're dead. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not if people are going to be dying, it's

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<v Speaker 2>when they're going to be dying for sure. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just the worst epidemic we've ever had. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, trank is coming to a suburb near you,

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<v Speaker 2>so and not that that's going to make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>because these are going to be richer people or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Because everything gets desensitized everything. Remember back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like ten years ago, maybe nine

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<v Speaker 2>years ago in Connecticut, those first graders all got shot.

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<v Speaker 2>There were like twenty one kids that passed away in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple teachers and right then everybody, for me, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, that's it. That's where the country draws

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<v Speaker 2>the line. Okay, this is changing right now. Okay, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one five year olds first graders. Yeah, it's over ninety

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<v Speaker 2>percent of Republicans n r A members wanted background checks.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody did. Do you think anything got done? Nothing got done. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is just going to be the new normal. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We never in our wildest dreams thought we'd ever see

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<v Speaker 2>encampments on sidewalks, and now it's people just step over

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<v Speaker 2>people to get to where they got to go. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to leave this place better than you found it, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Portland's real bad people were actually vacation to

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia to video people on trink because it was so

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<v Speaker 1>bad you could just drive it on the street and

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<v Speaker 1>there they are around the corner, look like zombies, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is both good and bad because it's you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>brings light and attention to the situation. But think about

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<v Speaker 2>how the people there must feel, okay, being videoed, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like they don't have enough shame, Like their life isn't

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<v Speaker 2>shitty enough. Now it's broadcasted to the world. It's just,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's bad. It's bad all all of it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody who's new to the homeless population just on some

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<v Speaker 1>hard times man, you know, like get divorced, lose your house, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out there and someone gives them a cigarette. Well

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't know it was lace was something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're running around and then they're hooked, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, crystal meth is still huge here and

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<v Speaker 1>ice or whatever they want to call it. But it

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<v Speaker 1>just mixes right to the next thing. And when people

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<v Speaker 1>are I don't want to say dumb enough, maybe on

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<v Speaker 1>educated enough to realize, like you said, it's coming miscalculation

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<v Speaker 1>of community standards, I guess you know, oh, our standards

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<v Speaker 1>are better than that, And well, no, you don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>how this works, do you There is something that can

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<v Speaker 1>be out in front of it, you know, and we

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<v Speaker 1>can help those people when they do need it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying about the project that you have coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that is music to my ears, man. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're working with like behavioral facilities out there,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, some people I know here they need

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<v Speaker 1>like adult foster living, like they need a place to go.

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<v Speaker 1>They cannot care for themselves, some of them, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be they were just out there because of that, whether

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<v Speaker 1>drugs has taken their mental state to that place, but

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<v Speaker 1>they cannot care for themselves. They don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>wash themselves, they don't know how to pay rent, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to do these basic things that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I, yeah, sure we know how to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of these people don't. So I think you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting them to that next level, you know, and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of separating them out to like, Okay, this person has

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<v Speaker 1>a substitute disorder, this person needs a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>care than that. You know, this person has both. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Let's get back to common sense. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these people are this close, like a

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<v Speaker 2>hair from being homeless, right, and there's new people popping

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<v Speaker 2>the mentally ill and the drug addicted. It's people sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>and going to the YMCA and showering or getting a

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<v Speaker 2>and going to work and you know, trying to dig

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<v Speaker 2>something called a learned helplessness, which is just a fancy

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<v Speaker 2>It's like crawling into the fetal position, just being despondent,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we have to prevent. Not that we can't

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<v Speaker 2>fix that, but it takes a while. It takes what

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about paying the rent, but the shit

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<v Speaker 2>turned into crack couponts. I mean, that's just the way

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<v Speaker 2>shit like that, and you don't, you're a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of dick's, I was checking out the website for

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<v Speaker 1>the new place Quarreras, and I noticed, like, because if

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<v Speaker 1>it has Google reviews. And he had a few reviews

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<v Speaker 1>and then you had one guy give you a three star. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why you beef with Gary Ramirez? You know he put

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<v Speaker 1>his name out there, so I'll almost say it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, nah, that dude, never heard of him, never

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<v Speaker 1>been to our place, you know, Like, what the hell, man,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some dicks.

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<v Speaker 2>Out there, because there is no Gary Ramirez. See if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at it, you'll see he's never posted anything ever,

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<v Speaker 2>He's never He's a ghost. It's a created account. So

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<v Speaker 2>what typically happens here is I came back right and

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<v Speaker 2>destabilized everybody here.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They all think that because they're all half full, that

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<v Speaker 2>I've taken the rest of their business and nothing could

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<v Speaker 2>be further from the truth. They just don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>they're empty. And the reason they're empty is because a

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<v Speaker 2>couple things number one, Number one, they're empty because it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to advertise on Google anymore. People don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. I went ahead and did it the

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<v Speaker 2>old way and donkey it off one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand of my most favorite dollars in two months. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get one client that used to get me eighteen clients,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was pretty scared and I had to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. But I figured it out because I have

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty employees and I'm not going to fail, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I figured it out. But it cost me a

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<v Speaker 2>fortune to figure it out. Not everybody has. Not everybody

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<v Speaker 2>stupid enough to donkey off all their cash to figure

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<v Speaker 2>something out, Okay, but I have no respect for none.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just like to build things. So we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to build it. And so that's one. The second thing

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<v Speaker 2>is when I left in twenty eighteen, you are getting

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<v Speaker 2>paid about sixty seven cents on the dollar for every

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<v Speaker 2>dollar you build. Today it's twenty five cents on the dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right before when I left, the average length of

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<v Speaker 2>stay was just over twenty seven days. Today it's about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three days. So you know they're not approving more time.

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<v Speaker 2>They're paying you sixty percent less. And if you're working

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<v Speaker 2>on a twenty five or thirty percent margin like most

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<v Speaker 2>of these places are, now, you're losing thirty cents on

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<v Speaker 2>the dollar every month and you're slowly going out of business.

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<v Speaker 2>The people in treatment don't understand that. They don't get

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<v Speaker 2>it until it's too late, because census in the treatment

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<v Speaker 2>industry goes up and down. It's not a regular thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes up and down, so they just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a downturn, and then the downturn never goes back up,

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<v Speaker 2>and before you know it, you can't make payroll in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hours. And that's why I bought one method,

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<v Speaker 2>because they couldn't make payroll. So these are the two

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why people are struggling, the two major reasons. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>labor costs went way up after the pandemic. Nobody wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to work. Now everybody works, and they have to be

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<v Speaker 2>taught how to You know, everything when you don't do

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<v Speaker 2>something for a while, at atrophies right, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to be coached up and everything again, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why people are failing right now. And just to

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<v Speaker 2>illustrate that, when I left and sold Cliffside in eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>there were eighteen thousand treatment centers in the country. At

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<v Speaker 2>the end of last year. When I started again, it

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<v Speaker 2>was twelve thousand and change by the end of this

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty five percent of that happened in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Now cut to this year. I guarantee that by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year, when the numbers come out in

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<v Speaker 2>January or February or whenever they come out, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you now that there's going to be under ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand treatment centers. They're all going out of business. They

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<v Speaker 2>can't figure it out. You know. It's one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>have insurance contracts so that you know what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be getting right and you can provide the treatment

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to provide. It's another thing to not

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<v Speaker 2>know how to get clients. You're not paid a certain amount.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, they're not staying as long. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>That just means you need more clients, you need more volume. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the hardest thing to do right in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't if you don't have those two things,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in trouble right now.

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<v Speaker 1>First of one I went to treatment was out in California.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the name of the place. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in LA Well, the first one. They

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<v Speaker 1>sent me to some Palm Springs and they had their website.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked pretty thought, man, okay, this sounds good. So

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<v Speaker 1>I fly out there and what it actually was was

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<v Speaker 1>a motel six that they had converted into a treatment center.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get out there and I was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you did this to yourself. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to just suck it up. And the guy tell it,

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<v Speaker 1>throws me some some sheets and says, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>to make a bed and I say, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>know how to make a bed. And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here you go, you're in that room. So I go

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<v Speaker 1>in this room and I was the only one in

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<v Speaker 1>the room, but there were two other people coming that

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<v Speaker 1>that night apparently, And so I picked the bed that

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted and I looked down at it and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very thin mattress and there were bloodstains on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was again, you know, you did this to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you got to suck it up. So I

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<v Speaker 1>make the bed and then I lay there and I

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<v Speaker 1>started thinking, like, this is an all men's facility. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a women's facility, I can say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the monthly thing happens. But then I started thinking, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a men's facility. Like somebody get stabbed in

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<v Speaker 1>this motherfucker, you know, Like what is going on? Dope?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the fuck is going So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm laying there more and I'm still trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like tough myself through it, like you put yourself in.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, you know what, I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do this, you know, I don't think this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work for me. So I go out and I

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<v Speaker 1>started to walk to the office and let him know

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<v Speaker 1>like this isn't this isn't where I need to be

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not what your website look like. And

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<v Speaker 1>this dude walks up and he's like, yo, man, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a cigarette, you know, And I was like, well, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't you know, have sex with me when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not looking here you go. So I get some cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>and I watched in office. I'm like, yeah, this isn't working,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I was like, I gotta go and they're like, I, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna owe us for this, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like thirty grand or something. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a what we call false advertising, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to see a bill for this because I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>paying you guys nothing. And they're like, all right, get out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, can you guys call me a cab

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like nope. They just threw me right out

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<v Speaker 1>in the street. Arion Palm Springs and I call this

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<v Speaker 1>kept telling me, man, I'm not getting paid anything for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting he was making sure, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's the first thing a liar tells me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a liar. I've had people say that to

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<v Speaker 1>me and I'm like, okay, well you're a liar then, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>because we all lie about something and for you just

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<v Speaker 1>to say that right off the rip, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're a liar. But I call him up and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, what's up? So then they send me

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<v Speaker 1>to La. This dude drives down to get me, brings

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<v Speaker 1>me to LA. I was staying in this house it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Orange House. It was in the West Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and that was crazy, man, my first experience.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go through this whole intake process and the

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<v Speaker 1>lady's telling me that I need to be on some

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<v Speaker 1>want to quit drinking, and she was like, no, we

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<v Speaker 1>charge your insurance company for it. And when she said

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<v Speaker 1>that to me, and for the next probably three years,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not trust anybody, right, I thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>all for the money. And then eventually, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>get out of radio, I don't have insurance. I'm on Medicaid.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you got to be bounced around through the

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<v Speaker 1>state places, which some are okay, some aren't, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still maybe never trust them. And now, like I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of laugh about it now because I'm like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 1>place was early after my Medicaid money, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Medicaid they don't pay shit, you know, Like, but now

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<v Speaker 1>I look about it, it is kind of funny. But

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<v Speaker 1>that first experience, and that's why when we have people,

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<v Speaker 1>because what we do is we take people to them

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<v Speaker 1>from treatment. We have a recovery community center where we

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<v Speaker 1>let people host their own meetings. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>play with tonka trucks, bring them in. Let's go that.

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<v Speaker 1>If that can keep you sober, if you can build

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<v Speaker 1>a community and you can have fun doing it, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it. We don't have one of those meetings yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do have art, we have music. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we let them pick whatever they want, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>that treatment thing, you know, taking people to them from

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<v Speaker 1>treatment when they have no other way to get there

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<v Speaker 1>is huge, and we use recovery coaches to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have great conversations and sometimes we're driving all over

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<v Speaker 1>the state. You know, we're in northern Michigan, we drive

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<v Speaker 1>to Detroit, you know, it's four hour trip, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just talking. There's nothing we're selling this person

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<v Speaker 1>in the back seat, you know, and it becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>natural conversation and that is such a huge advantage for people.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're hoping to get some funny so we can

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<v Speaker 1>like track that and actually report that to the state

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, they all they love the numbers, so

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<v Speaker 1>you got to give them the numbers, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the funding to track that stuff would be nice. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's some grants out there and we're doing what we can.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such a huge thing, and the state looks

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<v Speaker 1>at it like, oh, well, you've just given transportation. They

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<v Speaker 1>say you can't bill for recovery coaching and gas mileage

424
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<v Speaker 1>because that's double dipping. And I'm like, those are two

425
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<v Speaker 1>different services, man, you know, and some of that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>can be very frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>But companies, just so you know, are built okay to

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<v Speaker 2>take money in and not let money out. The next

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<v Speaker 2>insurance company that gives a shit about you will be

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<v Speaker 2>the first. As far as you know, the bad actors

431
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<v Speaker 2>in our industry, there's a shit ton of them. There

432
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<v Speaker 2>are more bad actors, I would argue than not. That's

433
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<v Speaker 2>a horrible state of affairs for treatment in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know it's true. And the client facing people

435
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<v Speaker 2>that work in it treatment center, the therapists in particular,

436
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<v Speaker 2>are generally very good souls. Now, whether or not they

437
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<v Speaker 2>have the ability to help anybody is debatable. I think

438
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<v Speaker 2>only about certainly in the single digits, and I would

439
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<v Speaker 2>argue two or three percent of the people that actually

440
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<v Speaker 2>work in treatment centers have the ability to help anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But or a real alcoholic like me, somebody who came

442
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<v Speaker 2>in had a back surgery and took pills for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple months or three months or six months or whatever

444
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<v Speaker 2>it is, and it's got them right. They don't have

445
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<v Speaker 2>it because they're physically dependent. That's one thing. Okay, anybody

446
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<v Speaker 2>can do that, but the owners. But they're generally kind

447
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<v Speaker 2>souls and they're certainly not going to hurt anybody, and

448
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<v Speaker 2>they're going to just time matters, right, So they're going

449
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<v Speaker 2>to help people based on that. They'll meet people they

450
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<v Speaker 2>connect to, they'll have a therapeutic alliance that they'll meet

451
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 2>friends there for support. That's all good. But the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are shitty are generally the ownership. And there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>worse than Florida. People will call me and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to come to La you know, you

455
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<v Speaker 2>know there's this place in Florida, and like, hold on,

456
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<v Speaker 2>go to Georgia, go anywhere. Okay, literally anywhere but Florida.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Because there's so many bad actors in Florida. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who's righteous and who isn't. This is the home

459
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<v Speaker 2>of pill mills, where they were selling pill mills pills

460
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<v Speaker 2>in parking lots of fast food restaurants. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the labs where you know, you take a

462
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<v Speaker 2>cup of urine and you charge thirty nine hundred bucks

463
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<v Speaker 2>for it, and they do it. I mean, these guys

464
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<v Speaker 2>did it three times a day, so they're making twelve

465
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<v Speaker 2>ten grand, you know, after some cuts, they're making ten

466
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<v Speaker 2>grand aday just on piss. I mean they're in the

467
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<v Speaker 2>piss business. They're not in the treatment business. Now they

468
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<v Speaker 2>cut a lot of that down, so now you're not

469
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<v Speaker 2>getting paid on any of that. I mean I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lab until like twenty sixteen, two years before

471
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<v Speaker 2>I sold cliff Side. Everyone was charging thirty eight ninety five,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, twenty five, whatever it was, And we were

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<v Speaker 2>charging five hundred and seventy seven dollars because I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make certain that and I had an opinion

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<v Speaker 2>letter from an attorney that said I could charge seven fifty.

476
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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't even think that was right. I think

477
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<v Speaker 2>you could make one hundred dollars testing somebody twice a week,

478
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<v Speaker 2>and that was enough cushion for me to where I

479
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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't lose money. I don't want to make any money.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't want to lose money. But I did

481
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<v Speaker 2>want to know who the hell was loaded in my place,

482
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<v Speaker 2>and not wait a week to find out. I wanted

483
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<v Speaker 2>to know in you know, a couple of hours, because

484
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 2>we gave a shit about our people. But the owners

485
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>are usually the worst man. They just are. And it's

486
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<v Speaker 2>not because they start out being bad people. Maybe they don't,

487
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>but you have a bunch of employees and you have

488
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the stress of it, and you just, you know, you

489
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 2>take shortcuts, like not giving people back their money after

490
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>being there a day when they're you know, they were

491
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 2>lured there under false pretenses. And it's even worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they have something called the Florida shuffle right

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<v Speaker 2>where you know you got. They'll take in somebody with

494
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<v Speaker 2>great insurance or cash. The guy leaves the insurance company,

495
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 2>stop stops paying, the parents, stop paying whatever it is.

496
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 2>They leave, a girl, a hot girl is there right

497
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 2>to meet them, takes them, pumps them full of cocaine

498
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and benzos and alcohol opiates, you know, so that they're

499
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>poly substance users, right. That means that they use a

500
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>ton of shit, right, and a ton of different shit,

501
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and then they I'm back and they tell the parents

502
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh he's fucked up again. We need the help.

503
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Or he tells the insurance company. I'm sorry, you know,

504
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it didn't hold, didn't take. And that's the kind of

505
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>stuff that they do. They do the body brokering where

506
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 2>they're buying clients, all this stuff where they take their

507
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>breaks on the front end, you know what I mean,

508
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and they apologize for it later, and it's based out

509
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>of necessity for these people a lot of times more

510
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<v Speaker 2>than it is greed.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll make you angry.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, because I think I have a different outlook

513
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>on life. You know, I was typically a child. I

514
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 2>believed that, you know, our government representatives gave a shit

515
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>about us. I believe that they had the intestinal fortitude

516
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<v Speaker 2>to deal with major problems like homelessness and encampments and

517
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<v Speaker 2>you know, gun control and all that other shit. You know,

518
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<v Speaker 2>nobody's taking anybody's fucking guns. I mean, what the fuck.

519
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 2>There's more guns in this nation by miles than there

520
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 2>are people. Okay, good luck with that, always taking anybody's guns.

521
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>But do you really need a gun with a magazine

522
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 2>that can take out twenty one kids in five minutes?

523
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Twenty one first graders? Really that's what you need. So

524
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 2>when you talk about people body broke ying and doing

525
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>that other shit with these women, and everything. It's depressing,

526
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 2>but I've learned to live with my disappointment. It's sad.

527
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm disappointed, you know, and I'm doing the

528
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>best I can to, you know, get a foot in

529
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<v Speaker 2>the door. I may be on a commission for the

530
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>VA to where I me and this commission go and

531
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<v Speaker 2>we talk to the city Council and we make recommendations

532
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 2>on stuff like this. You know, they're not going to listen.

533
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 2>They don't give a fuck. But we're going to do this,

534
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to go We're going to exhaust all

535
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.279
<v Speaker 2>our legislative remedies. We're gon we're going to do this

536
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 2>one and we're going to do that one, and I'm

537
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<v Speaker 2>going to learn about it. A good friend of mine

538
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>will be the district attorney on November fifth. He's going

539
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 2>to beat the shit out of this freak gascon because

540
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 2>he's a good man. So the encampment's done. The smashing

541
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 2>grabs where you run into a place and steal nine

542
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety five dollars with a shit and traumatize

543
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<v Speaker 2>everybody in the store, and the knockover old ladies and

544
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 2>mothers with strollers and shit and traumatize all the employees

545
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>that's done this ventanyl thing. Okay, they're going to start

546
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 2>prosecuting for that. You know. I've been running a PSA

547
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>up in Sacramento to shame these folks to pass something

548
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>called Alexandra's Law, which is basically just a traffic ticket,

549
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and it basically what it says is, okay, drug dealer,

550
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>this is your one get out of jail free card.

551
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 2>But the next time you're fucked. And that can't pass.

552
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 2>It can't pass because the Democrats won't pass it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm the

554
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 2>adult in the room. I'm in the middle. I love

555
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>my Republican brothers and sisters. I love my Democrat brothers

556
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>and sisters. I just don't like the crazies on each

557
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>end of the poll. Let's not do crazy. Let's get

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00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 2>back to common sense, take care of each other, do

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<v Speaker 2>right by everyone, and leave this place better than we

560
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>found it. Okay, there's nothing to get here, there's only

561
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 2>to give. That's childlike thinking because people aren't acting like that.

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00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>They're too self interested and too polarized due to social media.

563
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<v Speaker 2>These are problems that we've got right now, and they

564
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<v Speaker 2>lead into and overlap into our areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again Richard Tate for joining me on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>For more on Richard Tate, Google them It's Taie.

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