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we are talking about Bigfoot today. However, this is a
little bit different side to the Bigfoot subject, which I
am extremely interested in. I only have kind of the
bullet points of some different theories and things that maybe
you've come across as far as where this might take us, right, Scott,
So what we're talking about today is the urban Bigfoot, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, it's such a it's a unique facet because
like when you think Bigfoot, what do you think the
Patterson Gimlin film, you know, deep in the woods, middle
of nowhere, isolation, And then when you switch over to
the urban aspect, it's like, wait a minute, are these
things literally everywhere?
Speaker 4: And that's where it starts to dive into.
Speaker 3: A how how are they in the urban area, How
are they you know, in the city, How are they
getting the burgers out of the dumpster behind the McDonald's.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, how is all this stuff happening?
How do they get here?
Speaker 3: And that's where all my nerddom of time travel and
how intergalactic things work and all that kind of stuff
comes into play. So like when you think Bigfoot interdimensional,
what do you think, Like, Okay, they're coming from ten
thousand miles.
Speaker 2: Away, right, yeah, you're thinking that the classic they they're
on the UFOs, they come to Earth to mind for
the gold kind of a theory that.
Speaker 3: I've heard before exactly, but now with the way I
look at it's more kind of like a like the
string theory. Maybe reality and dimensions are layered more like
like a shoe cabinet, so you know, like door one,
drive down at a door too, that sasquatch peeking into
our reality.
Speaker 4: So it's more of a linear adjacent reality versus Okay,
these there's no way they just traveled from the stars
ten thousand miles away. They're just walking from one cabinet
door into another. So that's why I think they're here,
and they have the ability to zip out because they
can just basically they know the secret to tapping through
the trap doors of our realities into theirs.
Speaker 2: So, Scott, how urban are we talking? What's the most urban,
densely populated, metropolitan urban bigfoot encounter that you've come across
so far?
Speaker 3: The one that I've come across is literally right here
in my hometown of Monroe, Michigan.
Speaker 2: How many people are in Monroe?
Speaker 3: Monroe probably has fifty or sixty thousand. It's I mean,
it's growing, it's not too big, but it's very urban.
You know, we have like a lot of the main
directory of walmarts and stuff are but there's still a
lot of farmland in the area. So it's kind of
like you have a city in the middle and you
got all of the green belts and stuff around it.
But still, I mean, it's still very urbanized, factories all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So where was this bigfoot? And what was he doing?
Or she? Sorry? I always say he.
Speaker 4: I mean they're there. There's girls and boys.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a tendency. If I see an animal,
I'm like, oh, he's so cute, and they're like, well
his name is Sarah, So thank you exactly. I don't
know why I do that, but I do. Okay, So
what was what was the Bigfoot doing.
Speaker 3: Honestly, this is in the back of my local park.
There's about six or seven miles of hiking trails back there,
and the further west you go it just becomes more
rural farmland. So even though you have like the city
designated walking paths, there's still property lines for farmers and
stuff where it's just tons and tons of woods. We
have found tracks zipping off into nowhere. I've had sticks
thrown at me. We've had them cross the path in
front of us, like thirty or forty feet Like it's
it's insane out there. And I don't know why my
area is so expansive. I mean, there's a lot of
layered phenomena out there. The bloodiest battle of the War
of eighteen twelve took place here, so we have a
lot of spirit activity, we have a lot of bloodshed,
a lot of old farmland. So I think that when
you get a lot of trauma in one spot, that's
just where the highest strangeness tends to flock to, and
where there's weird, there'd be bigfoot. So naturally we've had
portals out there. Coming out of the portals, I have
the video. I will send you that video I'm sure
you would love to see that. And there's just this
massive glowing ball with sasquash like beings walking right.
Speaker 4: Out of it.
Speaker 3: It's a forty seven second video. I'll send it right
to you. Feel free to do whatever you want with it.
Speaker 2: You probably know this about me, but I tend to
always compare things to a movie scene. So let's do
that right now. So I'm just thinking of the scene
in Poltergeist where at the at the top or the
bottom of the stairs when they she can see all
of these well, they are all peep. Of course they
were not Bigfoot and alien beings or whatever else is
in this portal, But is that kind of what this
footage looks like.
Speaker 3: It's almost like when I first looked in because as
a debunk I've researched Bigfoot for about thirty years. Like
I've always been a believer, but until you've had an
experience that's different than the rabbit hole just expands even further.
So I've always believed that Bigfoot existed. And when we
were losing my train of thought a little bit, I'm sorry.
This was the last day of school, and of course
it had to be a bit rough.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sorry, I'm already taking you on about
ten tangents. I apologize, You're fine.
Speaker 4: That's what we do. It's that the neurodivergence strikes again.
Speaker 2: Yes it does.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 3: But when we're looking at this portal, it's like, you
look at it and it looks like a glowing ball.
And as a researcher, what do we do? We debunk
what it's not first, that's the logical choice and explanation.
And I'm like, okay, there's natural gas lines out here.
Maybe there's some sort of natural reaction taking place. It
could be anything, knows, right, But then it started to grow,
So it went from like a white marble and it
just kept getting stronger, and it just kept on turning
into this giant orb. I would say in person this
thing was probably twenty feet across. It would have had
to have been, because we were a good eight hundred
meters away filming on full zoom with our cell phones.
Speaker 4: This wasn't even part of the plan.
Speaker 3: We were just walking out there and I'm like, all right,
let's do our usual hike where we get shit to happen.
But instead we're seeing this big glowing ball, and I'm
like Okay, dude, we're not going to get too close
because I don't know what this is, but we're gonna
get close enough to be able to identify what it
could be, you know. And I'm like, there's this massive
glowing ball of white light with crap coming out of it,
and you literally see these things, like if you're looking
at it, it would be their left the left of
the sasquatch just jumping into the tree line to the left.
Speaker 4: Of where this port was.
Speaker 3: M Wow, its like they're just swinging by to have
some fun for a little bit or whatever on the
way to wherever they were going. And there's tree breaks
out there to this day that would roughly be in
the location where that portal was. That I think would
be indicative of them jumping into the trees. I think
sometimes our tree breaks are just the sasquatch is too eavy.
I think the weight just doesn't hold on to the
sasquatch and sometimes the tree snaps. That's why you get
those sometimes like fifteen or twenty foot tall breaks. I
think there's just too much weight and they snap them over.
And I think that's what happened with this portal. But
there was probably forty or fifty things coming out of this.
And I'm Shannon, I'm not lying. I will still look
at that video probably like once every couple of weeks.
And that was two years ago, and I'm just like,
I can't put my finger on this.
Speaker 2: So and you know, I always ask if somebody brings
up a picture or video, is that just for me
to see or is that something I can cut in
so that everyone can see what's the situation?
Speaker 4: Sure, feel creat to share it with everybody. Excellent, I'm
all for everybody seeing this stuff for sure.
Speaker 2: Excellent. I will make sure to cut that animal time
mark this that everyone can see that. Thank you so much, Scott. Okay,
So what you're saying is when the portal appears, it's
not always ground level. Sometimes it's a higher and then
they're piling out of this portal I don't know the
right terminology, and trying to grab on to whatever's around.
Speaker 3: It's like, if I had you explain it, picture a
bus full of kids that just want to you have
to let the energy out, so we stop the bus
and let them go play at the park for a while.
That's the kind of vibe it was like, Bigfoot is
just swinging by coming out of a portal to play
in the woods for a bit before it goes back
to whatever dimension or area that it wants to go to.
Speaker 2: Is that the first time you've seen something like that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's still to this day.
Speaker 3: Portals that changed my theory on Bigfoot being interdimensional. A
lot of people think Bigfoot's just flesh and blood, but
I'm like, these look.
Speaker 4: Like Bigfoot coming out of a portal.
Speaker 3: Either they're interdimensional or they have the ability to know
where the doorways are here already. You know, like if
something else created a portal, they do have supernatural DNA.
As far as my like base on what I believe
Bigfoot is, they have the supernatural DNA, so they would
know where all of the doorways and wormholes and stuff
on this planet would be. In my honest opinion, rather
than your inter dimensional we know that your doors. We're
just going to use the doors that are already here.
Speaker 2: I mean that aspect of it makes sense, right. You
know where the doors are in your house, and so
do I in mind, So if that's the case, then
that certainly makes sense. So prior to you guys seeing
this portal, and obviously you're out for paranormal bigfoot purposes, right,
so you're kind of ready to go. You have cameras
ready if you need them, which high five by the way,
for capturing anything at all. That's very rare. Uh exactly
did you were you kind of in the flesh and
blood camp or were you kind of in the middle
of the road on that.
Speaker 3: I was in the flesh and blood camp for the
most part for a little while, Like I was open
minded to the idea that there was more to them
than that. But until you've actually seen something that shouldn't exist,
like a portal opening up right in a normal neighborhood
back of a park, your mind really starts to do
a tumble a little bit. You're kind of like, Okay,
now I got to figure out why here?
Speaker 4: Why now?
Speaker 3: Why these woods? Why this location? And I think knowing
a lot about the land helps us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting at the very least, and it's
not one hundred percent of the time, but it's a
lot of the time when you have these kinds of
areas that have UFO sidings and some bigfoot going on,
maybe some other cryptids. A lot of times it's some
bloody land. There's some really bad shisa that has gone
down via US and for whatever reason, maybe that creates
the tears and the portals. Do you think, what's your
theory on that.
Speaker 3: I think that that is possible. I do think that
happens a with like like look at Gettysburg. I think
when you have totally known war torn lands that have
had paranormal activity for as long as me being five
years old watching it on TV. You know, I can
remember going back and seeing Gettysburg and all that stuff
when I was little, and it's like, I think that
the bloodier and the more like massacres, you know, Native
Americans getting killed, just all the horrible acts of war
in general, that layered phenomena, and then you already got
a factor in what already could be there. If the
land already has spirits, now we shed more blood, Now
we're adding more spirits. You know, it's like a containment
area at that point. They're trapped there. In my honest opinion,
So I do think that's possible. But I think that
when it comes down to the portals and like the
rifts and stuff happening, I think a lot of it
is how do I how do I worant this. Oh,
let's let's let's do this. You have a you have
a tree line right, then you have a field, then
you have another tree line. That's a liminal space. We're
transitioning from a thick wooded area with cover to now
we're gonna be noticeable for a little bit, and then
we're back in the woods again. When you notice these portals,
they tend to be in openings like they tend to
be in clearings. And this was right down a straight
away where you have a tree line here and a
tree line here, and it's just like this big thirty
foot wide path that just goes straight and it's in
the middle of nowhere. Because I believe to the left
of that portal is where they tend to like hang
out more. And then when they come hunt, they come
through the cornfield, which coincidentally is right next to a runway.
This spot is right next to an airport assessment. So
I wonder if maybe that's entertainment for them. It's an
urban area, you know, they don't have TV. They're watching
the kids play soccer and stuff. So I think that's
that's where I'm at with that, And I apologize I'm
a little little like brainy today. It was kind of
a day at work.
Speaker 2: No, it's great. It's gonna match my energy because I'm
always all over the place, you well know. So that's
why I keep writing things down because as you're talking,
I'm like, oh gosh, there's another question. There's another question. Okay,
So does that mean that you think that they are
because they are leaving tracks behind, people have claimed to
have shot them and killed them. Now do we have
a body, No, but they claim this. Okay, so let's
assume they're telling the truth. They can leave hair behind,
and even strange DNA samples have been found. So then
when they're here, then are they they're part of the environment.
Now they are flesh and blood in that way.
Speaker 4: I think so, I think that.
Speaker 3: I mean when you call them the forest people, like
I hear forest people a lot, I mean, if you
think about that, you look at that literally they're part
of the forest. I mean, would they not have the
ability to completely manipulate any aspect of the woods. I mean,
we have cloaking, We have the ability to run through
like dry, crunchy leave areas without leaving so much as
a sound. These things move at a speed that is
just astonishing. And if you follow my page Urban Bigfoot
on Facebook, I have a lot of that stuff uploaded,
a lot of my evidence that we've captured, and you
can see where like even my buddy you'll go out
there by himself, I'll go out there by myself.
Speaker 4: We'll get different activity.
Speaker 3: We'll go out there together as a team, like we're
going to do tonight on another investigation, and we'll get
different activity when we're a team. So it's I like
to I like to play around a little bit with
the research and the and the method methodologies.
Speaker 2: I love that you said that, because that is a
question that I've asked people so many times, is if
you go out for bigfoot or I suppose it could
be for UFOs, you know, if they're doing the more
CE five type. Is how how does the activity change
depending on the dynamics of who is out there trying
to elicit the activity or experience the activity. Uh, doesn't
mean you're necessarily poking for it, so you know, I
like you said, if if you have a whole group,
it's different. If you guys are out at the same
time and you split off, it's different. So that's very interesting.
Speaker 3: It is and It's also interesting because like you'll be
walking down the trail and like he and I'll just
be talking, and I am convinced that that's when these
things start to do their activity, is when they know
you're talking. So he and I'll talk and they'll be
like a huge knock or they'll be something will be
like thrown in front of us, like just so you know,
you're not the only ones out here right now. It's
kind of like a little warning to let us know.
And I think that sasquatch reads our intentions. I think
that if you're going out there and you're truly just
a curious individual that genuinely has an interest in the
subject and wants to know what these things are, they're
gonna honor that. But if you're going out there armed,
even if you have the side mentality of what if
something happens, they pick up on that. And I think
that if you're a decent human being and you work
at it enough, you're probably gonna have an experience at.
Speaker 4: Some point in time.
Speaker 2: What if you take a gun out and you have
it in your mind. I mean, one hundred percent, to
the fullest extent. It's only for psychotic people or mountain
lions and you fully one hundred percent that's in your head.
Do you think that then that negates what you said
and they'll still come out and have some activity and
you'll have some experiences.
Speaker 4: I think that that would probably depend on the Sasquatch,
because I mean, if we've studied the site for about
four years, and I think that you kind of can
establish a relationship over time with them.
Speaker 3: I actually in February first of this year in Michigan
is so freaking cold. It was like twenty below in
February this year, and we're out there because if I'm
out there and nobody else's I'm finding stuff that nobody
else is finding. And I look over to a spot
right near where the gifting area is and there's a
wreath fifteen feet off the ground made out of the
vine from those trees hanging on this makeshift stick between
like a y tree like this, like something stuck a
hook in, set the wreath on it and said here,
come get it. Yoh, that's all over my We have
the reaction video on my Urban Bigfoot page. My buddy
actually film me walking out to it. We thought it
was an old like barbed wire fence.
Speaker 4: Like roll or something.
Speaker 3: Right, it was just because it's old farmland and I'm like, dude,
I gotta go in there and see what the heck
this is. And it's just just like four foot across wreath,
hand woven, twisted everything. And I'm like, I don't know
if it's a big foot, but I don't know too
many people that are, you know, making wreaths in southeast
Michigan in February.
Speaker 4: Either is it?
Speaker 2: Is it just a bunch of pine boughs or what
was it made of?
Speaker 4: I want I can go grab it. I'll go grab
it and.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh wow, oh it's it's quite perfectly circular except
for that part sticking out. It's really that's impressive.
Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy? I've had this since February and I
just keep it on display.
Speaker 2: Now, wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Actually the gun on a tree, like, was this left
for me?
Speaker 3: So I talked to another researcher and they said, make
one for them. That's their invitation for you to like
be the family like they after you. So now you've
got to put one back where they left yours. So
we made cooking back up there, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, yep, so truly, And I mean i've bigfoot
having the ability to weave is something that is I mean,
you've seen horse manes, the stories that people who have
went out to check their horses in the morning and
like the main was braided.
Speaker 4: So Bigfoot does tend to They do tend to kind
of beautify things a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think some of the girls have. Girl bigfoots have
been known to put shells in their hair and braid
their hair and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So what what all have you guys been leaving then?
To get eventually this wreath that you've been gifting.
Speaker 4: I started with.
Speaker 3: General gifting, but I didn't want the gifting to get
to where now they're relying on it. Now I'm going
to be on my next podcast is going to be
a horror story about them following me home. Yeah, because
I didn't leave anything, so just enough to kind of
show that they're appreciated, but not enough to make them
rely on it. And we started with I started with
watermelon and cantalope. Daryl Denton said that cantilope is like
their most favorite thing, and I'm like, all right, I'm
going to give.
Speaker 4: That a whirl, So we left that out there.
Speaker 3: I have like, there's a box and everything out there
that we just leave there, and I have the camera
rolling and I've actually caught I think I've caught them
on my trail cam too. People want to argue and
say that they don't like IR, they avoid IR. I'm like,
I don't think it's the R. I think they avoid
foreign objects in their house. They're like, what the heck
is this doing out here? Over time, though, if I
leave it there, which I did, and I put the
gifting box below it, that's changing.
Speaker 4: That's behavioral modification. Now they associate the camera with good
things instead of just being like, what's this doing in
my forest?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 2: That said though, with them getting used to the camera,
has there been times then that things have been taken
out of the box and you're going, well, there's going
to be there has to be something on the camera,
and there isn't mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There's even spots where you know, you can argue on
darkened footage that it could just be the grain, but
it almost looks like you can see something cloaked in
some of the slides on the SD card just kind
of gradually coming in front of it.
Speaker 2: But so I yeah, yeah, that's that definitely kind of
freaks me out a little bit. I don't know about you,
but the whole they go invisible, they can cloak, you know,
this whole predator shimmery type of a situation.
Speaker 4: Pretty terrifying to encounter that.
Speaker 2: A little freak. Boy, have you seen that?
Speaker 3: We yes, my buddy Jake has seen has had a
few cloaking incidents when he was out there.
Speaker 4: And I both have been out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's my best friend and my research buddy, and
we've had a lot of cloaking activity. There's been I've
been out there by myself, just out for a walk.
I wasn't even out there bigfooting. I was just wanted
to clear my head a little bit, you know, And
all of a sudden, the leaves just washed up off
the ground, almost like in a mini tornado. When I
heard a bunch of footsteps and I look over and
it's just leaves and there's nothing. I think they like
to play with us too, you know. I think they're
especially the juveniles, they tend to be the playful ones.
Speaker 2: So I know that people will be yelling if I
don't bring it up. But and I'm not saying it's
not Bigfoot, but you know, you have elementals and fay
and all these other kinds of entities that could be
out in the forest as well. So what's your thought
on There's no way to know, but trying to deduct
this seems like it's more Bigfoot. And this maybe seems
like more of a forest entity of some sort, I mean,
which you could say Bigfoot is. Of course, I'm just
saying if something separate than Bigfoot exactly.
Speaker 3: I think Bigfoot tend to be more curious, I think,
than a lot of the other cripets are because they
show that human intelligence. You know, they have like a
sentient ability to choose whether to be kind to you
or not, you know, you take something like a dog man.
They seem to be programmed. There seems to be a
one track mind. But Bigfoot has a very human element
to them. And I think that Bigfoot, if it's a Bigfoot,
they're gonna throw stuff at you. They have a warning system.
There's like a five step warning system for you to leave,
and I've pushed it to about three just for research purposes.
I do not want to go to five. And it
starts with throwing things. They'll throw sticks, they'll throw a
little pebbles and stuff at you. They start growling. Never
had a bluff charge. I think that's around level four
or five. But they will push trees over, like in
the path in front of you as a final like,
don't you get it? We don't want you here right now,
It's time.
Speaker 4: For you to leave.
Speaker 2: So what do you think level five is? Level five
you becoming a Louisville slugger, bat against a tree, or
they just take you somewhere, like you know, what's the
level five? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Level five?
Speaker 3: I think is more you're gonna get chased or possibly attack,
depending on what time of year it is. I'm not
sure if they have a breeding season, that would be
like the same timeframe that most animals would. Because you
got a factor in I mean, I believe, I believe.
If you want, I can give you a quick run
on what I think Bigfoot is and that might help
you see what it supports my research. I think Bigfoot
is a post flood biblical creation. I think that there
were two wars in heaven. You had the Book of Enoch. Obviously,
you had the watchers that came down to Earth. And
God flooded the earth. But it says in Genesis six
there were giants on those days and also afterward. Afterward
is referencing the flood. So if everything died in the flood,
how do we have more giants and creatures afterwards? Right,
That's where I think the devil gets kicked out of
heaven post flood, and that's a second incursion they talk
about in the Bible. So you have all these cryptids
pre flood. Now we have post flood cryptids because they
came down to Earth and they slept with women again
and animals. And now you also have this angelic DNA
from these fallen angels in them as well, which I
think that's where they get their strength and their speed
and all their cool abilities from. But they get their
intelligence from the human aspect, and they get their athletic
ability from the animalistic aspect. It's like a perfect creation.
But they were made to defy God's natural order of creation.
This was the angel saying, look what we can do,
and they weren't supposed to be made. That's what I
think Bigfoot is. They don't belong to a bloodline, they
can't be traced. It's a separate creation, entirely outside of
God's national order.
Speaker 2: So then we're probably we'll never We're not going to
get the DNA, We're not going to get the body,
will never quite really figure out what they are.
Speaker 4: Nas out there.
Speaker 3: I think the Kandahar giant is our secret to the
DNA for sasquatch partial DNA, because they obviously would be
Enoughholum descendants. They wouldn't be full, you know, full fledged giants,
but they would be Enoughlum descendants in my honest opinion.
So I think something like the Candahar Giant, which was
eleven hundred pounds and twelve feet tall according to the
if it happened, I mean, it's been going around enough
now to I really don't think it's just urban legend anymore.
A lot of people came out and talked about it.
I think that that would be partial DNA to help
finish Melba Ketchum's DNA study. I know Melba's controversial. I
get that, but she did a lot more for the
bigfoot field than that aspect than a lot of other
researchers ever have.
Speaker 4: Whether you believe it or not.
Speaker 2: At least she tried right exactly. She had a ton
of effort in there, no matter what.
Speaker 3: Exactly you and me sit here talking about it. She
actually went out there and tried something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's amongst a sea of just nothing but
shit talking. And there's that no matter what. So she
at least she did just she went for what she
believed in. So got to give her credit for that.
Speaker 3: At least she's interesting too. I mean that the DNA
studies interesting in itself. You know, Sasquatch allegedly was traded
around fifteen thousand years ago, which would have been right
at the end of the Pleo Sistine Ice Age era,
so we're looking at cavemen. So I think we could
probably effectively if her study is legit probably could trace
Bigfoot back pretty far. We just have to get that DNA.
And I do think the government probably.
Speaker 4: Has that DNA.
Speaker 2: Do you know if she's still doing any any work anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I have not seen her pop up anywhere. I mean
I hear pop up in discussion, but it's more of
a what do you think about the Melba Ketcham DNA study?
Not like what is Melbour doing now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so hypothetical. I like those. So say, say
you have this. You have a stage five clinger, right,
and you've you've really effed up, and this this dude,
this chick is mad. And do you think that this is,
you know, going down a whole nother rabbit hole? Of course,
But do you think that there are times when they
they do take people and it may not even be
because they're pissed at you? Maybe they just I mean,
don't they eat when they're here? And maybe one of
them gets lazy sometimes and he's like, you know what,
I'm gonna door dash me some food right now. I
don't want to go run after that deer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that's a possibility? Is that sometimes
what goes on in the wilds I do?
Speaker 4: I do, honestly.
Speaker 3: I do think that Sasquatch is largely responsible for a
lot of our strange missing person cases.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 3: But if you look at these places where these people
are going missing, it tends to be a more rugged
area anyway. And I think that Sasquatch is kind of
a geographical thing. My urban Sasquatch doesn't have to fight
for anything. We're not in the middle of Alaska. It's
not cold, you know. We have basically a wildlife refuge
loaded with animals, you know, in the back of that park.
So it's like they get a free meal. You're not
allowed to hunt back there. I mean, who wouldn't come
here to eat, right, it's a free pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that people don't. They don't like
to hear that anybody discussed bigfoot taking and eating people.
Speaker 4: Or you know, I mean look at the Gugway.
Speaker 3: The Gugway is notorious for allegedly having a pension for
human flash.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's such a dark sye to it. And
one of your Oh wait before I go there, hold on,
because I want to go to this point. Thank you
for the beautiful bullet point lessie you sent me.
Speaker 4: By the way, Tangent eight coming right up.
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, And this just kind of butts
against what we were just talking about. But sudden disappearances
in the more urban and slash rural corridors, right, Like
we were just starting to touch on that. But a
big thing that has been going on is like people
in Austin. Look what's going on in Austin, right, They're
going missing and they're ended up in the river.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that happens in more places than just Austin. And
it's not always they end up in rivers. Sometimes they
just they aren't captured on camera, or they are and
then no one will sees them afterward. That's when I
start to get into the other and not blaming Bigfoot
for everything. You know, like, how how far out or
how here's a better way to word it, how big
or how urban does it have to be before then
you you count Bigfoot out right, then you go, well,
that's something else true.
Speaker 3: I mean, but when we look at all the cryptids,
and I mean, and you and I've been doing this
stuff for a long time. I'm still learning about new cryptids.
There's things I've never heard of, and like, how did I,
who spent eighty percent of my life buried in this stuff,
not know this? So, I mean, there's so many things
out there we don't know that we have to we
have to basically blame them for a lot of these disappearances.
But maybe if Bigfoot's interdimensional in that sense though, walk
into Washington, DC, take a kid step back into your
Kentucky portal.
Speaker 2: That's what I was just gonna say, is why can't
that portal then be in the middle of Chicago somewhere
or down a back alley somewhere, right, I mean, is
that does your mind go there? Sometimes too?
Speaker 4: It does?
Speaker 3: But because you can't, I mean, we can't limit ourselves
with this because we don't know enough about it to
be like it's this or it's that. I have to
be open minded to literally all of the possibilities. And
if that means that my course of research has to
change because there's like new evidence or something that makes
me have to divert from my path, you know, I'm
going to do that too.
Speaker 4: Wet.
Speaker 3: We have to be dedicated to the research that my
mind goes all over the place with that stuff, you know,
like Dennis Martin in the Smoky Mountains, the Dennis Martin case.
I researched the Dennis Martin case for a long time,
and I'm thinking it's nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 4: We're in the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: Dennis goes missing playing hide and seek in plain sight,
and then there's a Green Beret unit there training. Were
we really going to have a Special Forces unit in
nineteen sixty nine when we needed all the bodies fighting
the Vietnam War just to go after a kid? I
think the den Smartan case was a containment issue, and
that's why the green Berets were called because they claimed
there was a hairy, raggedy looking creature or man carrying
a child sized slump over their shoulder. Could have been
a gugway, you know, Denis Dennis would be the reason
to Okay, we're sending the guys to get Dennis. That's
not the real reason we're sending the you know, we're
sending the green Brays and they get the thing that
took Dennis.
Speaker 4: That's what I think happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you look at a lot of these cases,
you're not going to spare green Berets during Vietnam for
a child rescue mission. That would have been local government,
that would have been park rangers, that would have been
National Guard. They would have not went to a top
tier special operations unit just for a ten year old child.
Speaker 4: The shittiest that sounds, they wouldn't, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since they just happened to be there. Strange
yeah timing. Uh, Okay, So how about this, uh, the
tent hole theory and slip notes, Let's talk about that
a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yes, this one, I love this.
Speaker 3: This is where my nerd brain explodes. Okay, inside the
tent is normal reality. You're inside your tent, you're camping,
it's normal reality. Outside of your tent, crap's weird. There's
weird things going on, but you're safe inside your tent.
Now let's say you get like a pin hole in
the side of your tent. Now that phenomena starts to
leak inside. Now you're experiencing the things that you were
protected from. I think that's where all these places on
Earth were, Like I'm two feet in front of you,
but your watch is one second slower than me type
things are going on. I think that's where a lot
of that comes into play. And I think that's the tent.
We live in our reality, but occasionally there's a pin hole,
and our reality is the tent, and that's when we
get the high strangeness overlap. And that's where that ties
into my interdimensional theory of them being adjacent to us
in different realities, rather than they're coming from Jupiter.
Speaker 4: No they're not. No, they're not.
Speaker 3: They're they're basically, if you take a map and you
fold Washington onto Michigan, they're essentially walking out of Washington
into Michigan. It's more of a layered model. You know
what a three D versus flat is? How is how
I think that works.
Speaker 2: So they've just they just know how to do that,
and we simply just don't.
Speaker 3: Exactly and do we have the capacity. Sure people we've
had on this earth, you know, Edgar Casey, there's so
many people that would have probably had the ability to
find that out. And I just think that the tenthole
theory for people that don't understand how weirdness can happen
in normal places, that's exactly why you just happen to
be on like a fracture or some sort of where
time behaves slightly differently, because people view time as an
abstract thing and it's just not You know, if if
you look at time like it's its own separate element,
it completely changes the way you look at a lot
of things.
Speaker 4: So one of the past peature happening at the same time, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, simultaneously, rather than this happened, then, this is happening, now,
this will happen. No, it's all happening at the same
time in different realities.
Speaker 2: The stuff gets so trippy in mine bendy right, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well because one of the sub bullet points here says
temporary localized breeches. But when we're talking about like where
your portals pop up, those would be more what you
mentioned before that, which is just thin veil locations that
are permanently thin. And that's like like my door over
here is always where that door is. But then you
say there are temporary locations where then a door would
appear on this side and then they can come through there.
So why can they create those temporary door locations? Do
you think or is there some kind of a special
event that may happen.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of a if I'm sitting in
square B and sasquatches and square A just above me,
and he he can just open up the trap door
to my ceiling and peek in. They know where that
door is. They know how to slip from one dimension
to the next. And you know, if you if you
believe what cern and all of them are doing, you
know they might be tapping into that kind of stuff too.
But ultimately I think that they just know where the
doors are. They just know how to manipulate time and
space to their benefit. You know, it'd be like using
telekinesis to bring something to you instead of walking across
the room to get it. I think that's their mentality
is work smarter, not harder, just to take the path
of these resistance like ours is.
Speaker 2: Would that be so nice to learn Scott did be
able to move things like that, That would be incredible.
Speaker 3: If you want to go down to Kentucky and just
open up a little like slip note and just jump
in and yeah, that'd be fantastic. We need to get
a sasquatch and question them and see if we can
learn this knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially as much as I hate the process of
flying on airplanes, I would love.
Speaker 4: That be fantastic.
Speaker 2: So we've already touched on this, but maybe you want
to expand upon it. The last bullet point here is
why high strangs may cluster around certain locations repeatedly.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's what ties into my like the war theory, battles
have taken place there. I mean, we have a lot
of a call to activity around here. Satan Warship was
very big around here for a while. It's taken place
out there. I know spots where it's happened. And all
you're doing is opening up more doorways to an already
high strangeness infested location. And I think the reason they
stay that way is because it's really easy to open
a door to the other side, but it's really hard
to close it. And I think people just get in
over their heads sometimes and don't realize that, and then
the locations just remain completely tainted. It's just that layered phenomena.
War abuse, you know, prohibition, slavery, all that stuff just
creates a horrible, horrible territory. And that's where all of
our weird creatures like sasquatch, for whatever reason, tend to
flock around.
Speaker 2: So this part may be my favorite bullet point out
of all of it, and it is the subterranean movement
corridor theory. Okay, so we have portals that one anything subtraanean.
It creeps me out and I love it. At the
same time, I just I'm like, nope, but yes, So
we have the portals, they have the door, they come
in the front door. They're let loose upon our plane
of dimension, our reality. But where they travel is, according
to you, more the subterranean movement when they can right
so out of sight, out of mind, a little bit
easier travel. Maybe at least some of the time, So
let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Like around here, there are massive cement callberts under a
lot of the ground for drains that are drainage pipes,
and they're probably a good eight or ten ft wide
eight or nine feet tall, so the water would get
to be about maybe three feet tall in them. So
they all connect to major tree lines, major waterways, and
they all pop out where there's game trails as well.
So how how can I cross a field without leaving
any sort of signature that I was there, without using
my special warping powers or anything like that. I'm gonna
walk through this massive hole that just walks under the airport,
and then I'm gonna pop out at the other side
there's a game trail. Take my deer, walk back in
the walk back in the calvert, go back to where
I was. I think that that's where they use the
railroad tracks for too, the deep ends of railroad tracks.
You could walk down there and never be spotted. They'd
use natural camo when they can, And I think that
they don't use the teleportation aspect as much, unless like
maybe we're getting like one from another side of the
state or something that's coming here. You know what, I mean, like,
I think that they're using the calverts as travel points,
and why wouldn't they They're already in key locations. We
travel unseen, right by the water, right by a food source,
right by trees and cover.
Speaker 4: I mean, why not?
Speaker 2: So Scott, you know when and I think you've already
kind of mentioned this, I think in the beginning, But
you know, you'll have like a trackway that's only two
tracks and then there's nothing to jump to, there's nowhere
to go, and it just ends, and there's no reason
for it to end. It cannot be, it doesn't seem possible.
But then you're talking about them choosing to travel underground
or you know, next to a railroads something like that,
to not leave tracks or ease of travel, but when
in reality they have this incredible ability to they take
two steps and where they go I don't know who
where do they go? Does that mean that there are
I mean, you don't know, but I'm just asking hypothetical
levels of different levels of ability there or a lack
of energy or yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's I think that's reasonable to say for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, if if I see, you know, we're following
tracks for a quarter of a mile and suddenly there's
just nothing. There's no there's no depressions in the grass,
there's no depressions in the leaves. Walking off into the woods,
that's probably where one of those doors are, to slip
back into an adjacent dimension, you know, Like they walk
along and it's like, oh crap, maybe they didn't want
to leave their footprints, so they're looking down like all right,
time for me to go, and they just zip out.
And then that's why we don't have an explanation for
why the trackway ends.
Speaker 2: So that's them fully leaving our plane, more than likely
not moving to another area of the woods. I mean,
maybe they could if they go portal to portal, But okay,
if you.
Speaker 3: Look at that, like if there's a doorway here where
the tracks are, I mean, they could easily glitch into
that one and you know, pop.
Speaker 4: Out one hundred miles away. Who knows, right.
Speaker 3: But if again, if you look at it, like reality's
layered and adjacent and it's not distant like our brains
naturally want to go to like literally you and me,
like we're here just above us as bigfoot. Literally they
could be listening to us right.
Speaker 2: Now, who knows, right, Like I want to see you.
Speaker 4: Yes, come on down.
Speaker 3: We need proof, thank you, and I don't want a
body to do it.
Speaker 2: It does make you wonder, uh, why wouldn't they be
seen then more in a very very urban setting like
on the Vegas Strip.
Speaker 3: I think that honestly. I mean I'm not a huge
fan of people. You're probably not a massive fan of people. No,
I mean it's our crowd is about who we're fans of,
you know, our our little weirdo family. Yeah, that's that's
the kind of people we like. I think that it's
just like when you start to build, you know, we
start to build buildings. These things are here before we were.
When you start to take away the natural resources in
the land, you're going to cross paths with stuff you've
never seen before we started our lives. You know, they
start to intercept and we don't. Really there's nothing we
can really do about it. So when you start wiping
out the resources, now these things have to go inter
dimensional because there's less places for them to hide now.
But I think they want to largely avoid people because
that's their outcasts. You know, they don't fit into society.
That's why they were sent away more or less so
I think they're avoiding people and they want to stay
out of sight as much as possible. But if you're
looking for them, you know, like me and we have experiences,
I think that they're eventually going to really reveal themselves
to you, as long as your intentions are clean, as
long as you're not trying to get a body or
trying to make it. Like I never got into going
on podcasts or Bigfoot research because I wanted to get rich.
I got on because I wanted to yack about stuff
that nobody else wants to hear, you know, like I
don't want to hear about big foot anymore, babe.
Speaker 4: Okay, fine, I'll go on a podcast. I hear you.
Speaker 2: I hear you on that one, that's for sure. So
what do you this is a huge hypothetical. What do
you think is on the other side of that, that
that side of the portal for them?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. And I know there have been
people I've talked to people who've allegedly like walked through
portals and it wasn't like they went into a different
time zone or anything, but it was almost like things
went slow and hazy, like walking through a fog kind
of like the the Remina Triangle reports that you can
that some people talk about like time just kind of slows.
That's but from their end, that's a really good question.
I've never thought of that. That's a that is a
really good question.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite episodes. It was long ago and
he was in India studying snakes and he's a biologist
and there he's out with a group of people and
he walks into this tall grass area very Stephen King askue.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: He walks into the tall grass and there's a lookout
tower with a couple of his he's the boss, he's
the lead of this project for these I think it
was for I can't remember snake. I don't want to
misspeak anyway, big ass snake. Right, And he walks into
this tall grass and he can tell things are just
different all of a sudden, and everything goes completely quiet,
like you said, just everything just kind of closes in,
gets real quiet, and he's trying to talk to his
subordinates that are up in this tower and they cannot
hear him, and uh, it's it's a whole thing but interesting. Yeah,
he eventually see any I believe he kind of got
almost to where he felt like he was trapped in
this weird liminal space, this muted I called the muta place.
The muted places is what it's called. He got out,
but he said it was one of the trippiest things
that had ever happened to him, which I would imagine.
So yeah, no, I mean, I'm right there with you.
I very little enough has happened to where I know
that there's other things out there, of course that we
cannot explain. But I'm I'm no, it's not weird. I
get you, I totally do. It happened long enough to
where he goes, this was screwed up, This was not normal,
and then he was able to get out of that.
But are there people that now not only could they
not hear him, but obviously they they weren't interacting with
him in any way, shape or form. And He's like,
I'm the boss. There was no, that wasn't the dynamic.
There wasn't this funny, funny haha game that was going on.
Then are there? Yeah, It's like he just he just
wasn't there. So does that mean then that people can
walk through these things accidentally and then they just don't
come back. Maybe you know, he found his way out
of this weird space, but maybe not everybody.
Speaker 3: Does, no, because I mean, let's be honest, when you're
going in the woods to go for a hike, er
hunter fish or whatever, the last thing you're planning on
is just walking out of this dimension. Yeah, and you know,
leaving nothing behind that ever showed you were there. I
mean that, which again that brings us to four one one.
You know, when you take the Missing four one one,
whether you like Dave Politis or not, whether you believe
Dave's legit or not, the phenomena is real. Like we
don't have to We don't have to believe the guy
to believe the phenomena, you know. But when you take
the missing four one one cluster map and you place
it over top of the major subterranean cave systems in
the United States, it is strikingly similar apple Achian pharaoh people,
all this stuff. People are bigfoots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the Hadels, That's what it is. And
that is on the no list. The Hadels are always
on the no list. No, thank you, No threw that. Oh,
you know, and if these cases are documented properly, is
the ones where and going off of Ash's experience in
this muted place that I called it.
Speaker 3: That's a good name, the muted place. I think you
got a book idea right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that was included in paramalgamation actually because
I just, man, was that one really stuck with me?
But you know, the people that go missing, their searching
grid patterns, dogs, the whole thing, right for days, weeks,
whatever it is. They know they've gone over this area
however many times, and then somebody weeks, months, years later
is walking down that same area where all these people
were looking for this missing person or child heaven forbid,
and there is a skull cap or a backpack or
a whatever of this and you're going somebody walk back
and place it there.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was it always there? But because it was in this
other place, it was just invisible at that time, Like, well,
what's really going on there?
Speaker 3: Interest like intersecting strange phenomena coinciding with disappearances of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a broad subject. Yeah, you could do
a whole second show about that alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is that one gets that one gets really
really deep and dark because so many times it's just thinking.
Speaker 3: Well, when you listen to someone when you're like, Okay,
the dude's already got hypothermia.
Speaker 4: So why do I mean.
Speaker 3: I do know that certain stages of hypothermia throw you
into a state of mind where I need to take
all my clothes off. You start to become disoriented, So
I do get that aspect of it. But if you
already have early stage hypothermia, you're still aware of what's
going on. You still know, hey, I need to I
need to warm up.
Speaker 4: You know I need to get out of here.
Speaker 3: Why are people going twenty miles in the opposite direction
uphill or something when they already have hypothermia. Like a
kid goes missing, here's here's the start of the trail.
He goes missing a mile up and he's found twenty miles.
Speaker 4: To the east.
Speaker 3: Like something's carrying it. That's the only way I can
make sense of it. It's being carried. Somebody's being carried
and left there. We're finding pelvis'es inside of streams, people's
footbones inside their shoes. Like I couldn't begin to give
you an explanation of what's going on in the middle
of nowhere. I mean, if this were like New York
or something, it's probably the mob. But being in the
middle of the woods, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: Like and that.
Speaker 3: I don't like not having answers or I mean, I
know I don't have the answers. I don't like not
having theories. I don't like having something that I can't
give you an idea about. So that means that makes
me have to dig into it further.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why this is a good convo, because I
keep throwing all these millions of questions that you're not
gonna know the answer to, and you you're good it
playing along. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Hey, absolutely, I can be.
Speaker 2: The worst with theories and trying to land on one
because it depends on who I speak to. You know
that day that that interview. I can flip flop and
my mind can be kind of swayed this or that
because I just I we don't know. And I think
it's good to be open minded with all of this stuff. Okay,
The last bullet point includes ancient texts and folklore connections.
Speaker 3: This is where my I have sitting right over my
bookshelf have quite a few of these books. This is
where the Book of Enoch comes into play. This is
where the alleged lost Book of King Ogg comes into play.
The last of the Rafayim giants after the flood. These
are all these old texts. Literally, they more or less
talk about cryptids being created in these texts. I cannot
remember precisely what verse in first Dnoch. There's three books
of Enoch. First Enoch is the only one that's really
relevant to the crypt side of things that we have
an interest for. Second Enoch is we're about the cosmological
hierarchy of heaven, and thirty knocks about Enoch turning into Metatron,
the archangel, one of the archangels, if you believe that.
But it says in one of the after they bred
with the women and they had giants, it said they
began to defile themselves with the fish of the sea
and the beasts of the earth.
Speaker 8: That's DNA manipulation if I ever saw it. That's where
your your mermaids, and your sirens come from. All these
things were never supposed to exist. And it all starts
with the fall before the flood, when the two hundred
watchers landed on Mount Herman and decided to take wives
and essentially defy God's instruction entirely. I think that's where
it all began. And then when we move after the flood,
Lucifer gets kicked out of Heaven. Let's have a new.
Speaker 3: Incursion from what happened however, many years before the flood,
and let's do it again.
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 3: And that's why we still have all these creatures here.
Mermaid sightings aren't going up like crazy mermaids are going up.
Dogmen might as well just be a regular puppy. There's
so much of them being seen anymore, you know what
I mean, They're so regular.
Speaker 4: That's where I think it came from, honestly, is those
old texts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dog Men definitely just seemed to follow, as you
said earlier, just ONEm one pattern there experiences, people's experiences
with them, for the most part, not always, but for
the most part followed the same the same track, that's
for sure.
Speaker 4: With doc men too.
Speaker 3: I've only ever had like one or two dogmen encounters,
and honestly, one of them wasn't even encounter. You know
how much evidence you find going back over your recordings
after your investigations over you the crap you'll find in
the frames is just ridiculous. We had a dog man
in one of the frames when we're out on a
bigfoot pike late at night, huge ears, massive eyes. You
can see like the skin in your legs where it's
very lean and muscular. And I'm like, so, go Fallen soldiers,
Satanic warship, bigfoot activity, bloody wars, prohibition, slavery. I have
a whole freaking Twilight Zone season back there.
Speaker 2: Would you is that photo? Would you be willing to
share that as well?
Speaker 4: I'll send you everything that I have?
Speaker 2: Okay, excellent, excellent, make I will I will cut that
in well, Scott, if you don't mind, could we close
with a couple more encounters that you feel just are
really impactful.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll actually share my very first encounter with you,
this one. This is the one that really opened the
rabbit hole even deeper. It was July of twenty twenty three,
and you had just gotten back from Ohio recently. I
know for you exactly. I was down in Athens, Athens, Ohio,
which was like thirty.
Speaker 4: Miles from Hocking Hills.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Me and my girlfriend were like, you know what, let's
get out of the city. Let's go into an off
grid Airbnb. I picked the most off grid Airbnb.
Speaker 4: I think. Ever, we had to hike into the woods
about a mile just to get to oh, the cabin.
Speaker 2: You couldn't take a vehicle there.
Speaker 4: No, not unless you have like an ATV or something.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry because I talked at the same time
you stepped on you. What were you You were explaining something.
Speaker 4: Oh, no, you're fine.
Speaker 3: No, And you go back out there about like half
a mile a mile, and I'm like, baby, sure you
want off the grid. This is like wrong, turn off
the and I walk up you have it's just a
little staircase. It's basically like a super strong like tent
structure on top of.
Speaker 4: A deck, and it's solar powers. So you're pretty much
but yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: And we were out there and I'm like, dude, this
is I want to get off the grid with you.
But I'm also gonna do a little squatching just so
you know, like if this is gonna be Squatchy woods,
this is gonna be squatchy woods.
Speaker 4: The Ohio grass man, you know, all of the encounters
that went on down there.
Speaker 3: And We're sitting around the fire and I grab a
chunk of wood and I'm just kind of being partially playful,
and I'm like, all right, babe, I'm gonna do some
weird stuff and do some wood knocking.
Speaker 4: And she's like, what's wood knocking? It gave her a
quick rundown.
Speaker 3: So I took a piece of the firewood, did some knocking,
nothing happened, did it again. About five minutes later, we
got three or four knocks back. And even my girlfriend,
who's the most massive skeptic in the world of bigfoot,
was like, Okay, something definitely knocked back. And I'm like,
there's no humans out here for miles. I don't know
what it could be. That's not even that's just a
little bit. That's not even like the fun stuff. That's
just the maybe something could happen. We got some knocks,
you know, that's a start. And then we're sitting around
the campfire just right outside the door, and I'm talking
about bigfoot. I'm taking photos and I'm recording and you know,
just hopefully maybe catch something on the evidence when I
go over it later when we get back home, that
sort of thing. Stuff starts moving in the woods at first,
something and it's just deer, you know, coming around the
cabin because it's in the middle of nowhere. It's still
pretty much wild out there, and I just got nervous.
I'm like, we're being surrounded by something. I don't know
what this something is. Might be a deer, might be
a coyote, might be Let's go inside the cabin for
the night and you know, just call it. Later on
that night, I hear scratching and you know those tiny
little knocks, those little locks on camper doors, like it's
just one good yank, you're breaking that bad way right off.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the kind of lock that was on that cabin.
Speaker 3: Something grabbed the door, gave it a yank, and for
whatever reason, God willing, obviously that door didn't didn't break,
it didn't open. I'm like, okay, this is interesting. I'm
not leaving right now. I'm not hiking a mile out
at two o'clock in the morning to get to the
car or wait until daylight. We wait until daylight. And
then later on about three three point thirty, something grand
right into the side of the cabin like just never mind,
just wall.
Speaker 4: We're talking kool aid guy like that. And I just
hear this massive we felt the whole shed just like
gently slide a few inches to the left oh the dead.
You shifted it. And I'm like, okay, we're turning off
all the lights. We're gonna sit here until morning. At
some point we passed out.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend wakes me up, shaking me, and she's like,
something's outside the window. She's like, I heard footsteps walking
up and this window is about nine feet off the
ground because we're elevated. She said, I footsteps are walking up.
She said, I saw something put its hand up by
the window. And then I woke you up and you said,
what no more noise as nothing, and it was gone.
Speaker 5: Mm.
Speaker 3: That was And I'm like, I knew Bigfoot was real.
Now Bigfoot is real real and I have photos from
that as well.
Speaker 4: I can send you.
Speaker 2: How freaked out was she?
Speaker 4: She was really freaked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine she probably didn't like that very much.
That whole thing.
Speaker 4: She did not like that very much.
Speaker 3: We were gonna go hiking at Hocking Hills the next day,
but nobody got any sleep, so we ended up just
going home instead. She was being a skeptic and having
something happen is different, you know, like being somebody that
largely probably doesn't believe in Bigfoot. She's the kind of
show me the evidence type of person like, I'm not
saying it's not real, but I need the cold, hard
truth to believe it. After that night, I think now
she's we've upgraded her to open minded skeptic instead of
closed minded. She's like, what could have just walked up
to my window, Scott, that's like nine feet tall and
just walked away into nothing. I'm like, I've been telling
you this for years, babe, bigfoot that was squat.
Speaker 2: What did she see out the window?
Speaker 4: She saw it like a like a hand out line
and it was a massive hand.
Speaker 3: And I was like, bigfoots to know one for touching
glass and peeking through windows and campers and all that
kind of stuff. They're curious creatures, and I think that
we interrupted one really being curious when she woke me up,
and then it was like, oh crap, and then it
takes off.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of pictures from there too.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if if it was especially a
darker well, I mean, you can't see much outside of
a dark one to win away. Let's face it, you're
in a fish bowl. Essentially, you're just on display. It
makes you wonder if she just saw the hand but
you know, the rest of him was you know above
and you know if if his chest is the rest
of whatever is behind the hand, she may not be
able to detect the rest of the body instead of coming.
Speaker 3: Out if you're seeing him, sorry to mean to cut
your massive hand.
Speaker 4: That's where they That's what the focus is on. Yeah,
the focus isn't on.
Speaker 3: What it's attached to. We're still getting past the hand
part alone what it wants to, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he thinks fragmented like that.
Speaker 3: My brain is always moving. I'm constantly like three moves ahead.
So I'm like, it's just a big foot, babe, go
back sleep. Like she's like, how can you just go
back to sleep? What if there's a big foot.
Speaker 4: At the window?
Speaker 3: Because this is what I do, baby, this is what
I look for this stuff. I'm out in the woods
at four in the morning looking for these things. Like
that's a that's a win for me. It was terrifying
because I always believe but that was my first experience.
Trying to run through the side of the cabin is
what really got me.
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So if the whole thing moved, Yeah,
that's why I was thinking about your poor girlfriend, because
she's just out of here, that just wanted to have
a nice relaxing time and then all this shyse is
going down. Yeah, because at the windows nine feet up,
it makes you think like was it doing one of these?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And she just couldn't see the rest of it, as
you say, because this is what's actually touching the glass
and what she could see the most of So that's
where my mind is instead of it just like reaching
up and high fiving a window. It probably the bresid
It was probably there, but thankfully, honestly she didn't see
a face or something like that. I think, Yeah, that's
when things get elevated for people big time, is because
I ask everybody that, and I know you have too,
well did you want to see the face? And a
lot of people going hell, no, what I want to
see the face? You know, there's just a whole other
level of that could go very badly to where you
don't want to go back out in the woods anymore.
It really screws people.
Speaker 3: Up because most people's encounters are like, hey, I was
out hunting or hiking or something and I encountered one. Yeah,
you know, most people go in the woods, not even
considering the fact that there could be bigfoot out there.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 3: That's the last thing on their mind, you know. They've
never given a second thought to bigfoot. It's just a legend,
it's just folklore. And then they become believers, and then
hundreds of thirty years is totally quit. Personally, I like
the fact that I believed always first because that allows
me to basically prepare myself for what can happen in
this field. So if it does happen for me, that's
a win as long as I go home safe, as
long as my team goes home safe.
Speaker 4: Or good, you know.
Speaker 2: So on this, I'll just call it a yurt for
lack of whatever. I don't even who knows what it
was actually made of. But where it was hit was there, dirt,
was there?
Speaker 7: Mud?
Speaker 2: Was there? Scratches and indentation the side work permanently? Oh really?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Could it be fixable? Probably, like if you heated it
up or whatever, you could probably bend it back out.
But it's like put a car door dent.
Speaker 2: How big was the dent? Was it like a like
a like a big shoulder.
Speaker 4: It was picture meat running at you like that sort
of a thing.
Speaker 3: So it was a good two or three feet wide,
and I'm like, all right, we're not going to come
to this one again. Actually, yeah we are. I'm going
to come more packed with more gear this time. Whoa
out there and see? Honestly, even she did believe it
or not, she did she like, I would like to
go take a bunch of thermal cameras and some trail
cams and see if we can catch anything.
Speaker 2: Good for her. She's a bad ass. So it just
the two of you to try to replicate the situation.
Then Okay, that's smart, that's that's very smart.
Speaker 3: More but with more gear, you know, Yeah, didn't have time.
Now we will, Because to be honest with you, I
was half serious about doing some big footing. Like the
other half was like, yes, it's mostly for fun and relaxation,
to show a little bit.
Speaker 4: But the other half was there could be some squatchy
activity there.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 4: I was just a hotbed of sasquatch of course.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Hawking Hills. How close to Hawking Hills
is this.
Speaker 4: Place roughly seven miles?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's nothing for them, especially if they go
in and out of portals by the way, exactly Hawking
Hills and this is like foothills, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is uh, this is like there's a
lot a lot more caves around than things. Yes, go
in and see those nasty cave spiders.
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of spiders.
Speaker 2: Oh god, neither.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I don't understan dand people that go into caves. We
for one of our shoots for UFOs, we went into
the most legit cave I had ever been in, and
the further in we got there's those damn there's cave crickets,
which are also hideous, but there there were these They
kind of sort of looked more like daddy long legs,
so they weren't quite as bad, but they were everywhere.
And I'm just going, this is this is a lot
of nope for me. I think maybe give me the
hadel instead.
Speaker 4: And weird do it for the weird. We got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do spiders, man, No.
Speaker 3: No creepy and out here in these Michigan woods, honestly,
they're right along the path. So like if your headlamp
is angle just right, you'll see the like the silky
shine o, you're gonna have them on your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, you're not getting me this time. Used
to whack it down exactly.
Speaker 3: That's the worst part about squatching in the summertime, all
the spider webs. You're walking through, all your constant peeling
crap off your face, not thinking about where the spider
might be.
Speaker 4: We're not even going there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's if you don't you don't whip them
onto your back because you just walked into that. Except
oh my gosh, well, Scott, make sure to mention any
of that. You mentioned your Facebook group and all that,
any of your socials that you want to mention and
how people can can find you and contact you if
you want.
Speaker 4: That, of course, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean I would like to step out and kind
of branch off into helping people, like anybody that has
activity but they don't necessarily want to go to like
a big name team or something to go check it out, cause,
let's let's be honest, a lot of those TV groups
it's all propaganda, you know, Like.
Speaker 4: You guys, small town monsters.
Speaker 3: You guys are freaking awesome because you're bringing the reality
to the people. It's not like Expedition Bigfoot, where Hollywood
has a say and we're filming today and filming tomorrow
and mashing it into one and shoot like I like
it raw and realistic. You know, you can follow me
Bald the Bald Philosopher, Yes, the Bald Philosopher eighty five
on Instagram, and you can follow the Urban Bigfoot Facebook
page and it's public. So just don't bring your shenanigans on,
but come on in a safe place to tell your
story and share your evidence and just any questions you
might have.
Speaker 2: Excellent. I will make sure to link that. And yeah,
I appreciate anything that you felt like sending along. I
suppose at the very least the portal video and then
the dog man photo. Those are the big two that
we mentioned.
Speaker 4: I have some great prints too. I'll send you great
print shoots.
Speaker 2: Okay, excellent, Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much with the dermal ridges.
Speaker 2: So where where When are you and your girl going
back out to that yurt?
Speaker 4: Probably the next month or so.
Speaker 2: Woo oh boy mm hmm. Okay, well keep me in
the loops. God, I got it.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Definite.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep in the loop anyway. Me and me
and Jake, my buddy, we're actually going out there tonight.
Speaker 4: At school. I'm done. I'm done para professionally until September.
Speaker 2: Let's go have something is nerd time.
Speaker 4: We love nerd time.
Speaker 2: We love nerd time. Yes, we don't get enough of that.
That's why we even just like to talk about this stuff,
which I would love to have you come back on
for any any updates. I know that you're gonna be
collecting more encounters and hopefully you have some more of
your own, but not too terrifying of encounters. We want
you to keep wanting to go back out into the woods,
right absolutely, Okay, last question? What was that? What did
you say?
Speaker 3: It was something about I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 4: Bad at that too. I'm bad too, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2: It helps me in on video, but it's not it's
not always perfect. But last question, and I know you've
heard me ask people this, Are you afraid that you
will have one of those kind of encounters that then
you don't want to go back out into the woods
and you don't want to keep asking these kinds of
questions and collecting these encounters.
Speaker 4: Not at all. I have zero fear of having one
of those encounters.
Speaker 3: That's one of those things that I'm not going to
stress about something that hasn't happened yet. If I do
have an encounter like that, we'll handle it accordingly, you
know what I mean. But it's not going to keep
me out of the field. If anything, it is to
make me want to get back out there. I mean,
I'm former military, you know, I have a lot of
different ideas on things. To me, the scarier that just
reinforces the fact that they're real. You know, that just
reinforces that something out there you can't explain that you
don't have a scientific explanation for exists, and you could
be on its list of foods if you're not careful.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Therein lies the problem, right because what yes, but no,
I respect that answer, and that's certainly my same answer,
you know, until that happens. I don't get to push
very much because of where I live. But when I
when I do go out, I'm always trying. I do
hope that something happens.
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh for sure. Well, now though, you have
the possible urbans, so keep your eye out for the
urban stuff too.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm so so.
Speaker 4: I was given this name by my parents.
Speaker 9: My business I was out of college. I've done these
things in my profession. I've producing Little Black says, forget it,
that's something her story, that's all gone, that's all possible.
And I want to see the Amelia when nobody knows
who that is is because we don't.
Speaker 4: Except for listening from out it.
Speaker 9: And something on that is but that that's a really
but that again, it's as fascinating to this question.
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 5: That does not mean.
Speaker 9: We shall see how they play with the success will
buy the cots to get you to come out of your.
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Speaker 10: Specifically, people for example, are quite divided on us.
Speaker 9: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral grow you will sadly become someddly different.
Speaker 5: There being somewhere else.
Speaker 9: They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting
here now, are really convinced.
Speaker 5: That you're the same person the folding at the door
half an hour.
Speaker 10: Ago, you'll be reincarnated.
Speaker 9: If you're liberating the wells now.
Speaker 5: That you're done. The past has instant, the future does insistence.
There is only the present.
Speaker 9: That's the only arenia that is the zen masters don't.
Speaker 5: Get d in the space center. The string does not
become the sound, because there is something an embrous massas.
Speaker 9: Where he says, when you settle down in the train
to read your newspaper, and so you're not the same
person while ago and live in the plan. If you
think you are, you are linking your moments up in
the change. And this is what buyds is the wheel
of both when you know that every moment which you
are is the only moment this cons in des are
the last will say.
Speaker 5: From somebody, I can have a walk across the room.
Speaker 9: And he came back, and he says, where are your foot?
Speaker 5: They've gone?
Speaker 4: So where are you?
Speaker 5: Who are you?
Speaker 10: When we are asked who we are, we usually give
Speaker 9: A kind of recitation of an Instagram stress