Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: Tonight's account is from a retired detective who has come
Speaker 1: face to face with an interesting area in the Adirondacks
Speaker 1: of New York, bigfoot activity, and so much more. You'll
Speaker 1: not want to miss this episode, so stay with us,
Speaker 1: all right, Big the Society. You've got the privilege of
Speaker 1: talking to Dave today. Dave is an individual that has
Speaker 1: an interesting background. He's from the southern Vermont in eastern
Speaker 1: New York area and he's been a lifelong hunter and outdoorsman.
Speaker 1: Also has a background of being a retired police officer
Speaker 1: where he was a detective for many years. So welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, Dave.
Speaker 2: How's it going, man, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. We were talking a little bit before we started
Speaker 1: recording that it's pretty rare to be able to get
Speaker 1: individuals talking about Vermont on the show. So really glad
Speaker 1: to have you on the show today and just to
Speaker 1: hear some different things about what you've experienced and what
Speaker 1: you've heard. You know, I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: pass things over to you, Dave, and feel free to
Speaker 1: you know, take us back to the first account that
Speaker 1: you'd like to share and what exactly happened that day.
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2: The first one who is on the Vermont side. It's
Speaker 2: probably in the late eighties, reflecting back probably eighty seven
Speaker 2: eighty eight, and there's an area in southern Vermont the
Speaker 2: people that listen called the Bennington Triangle, more specifically Glostonbury Mountain.
Speaker 2: So at the time that time, back in the late eighties,
Speaker 2: my brother and I had decided to go hiking, and
Speaker 2: basically there's a fire tower on top of Glossombury and
Speaker 2: we're looking to do the shortcut via the snowmobile trails
Speaker 2: to get to the top versus the long I think
Speaker 2: it's twelve thirteen miles if you come in from either
Speaker 2: the north or the south. And so we were going
Speaker 2: to do this just as a quick overnight and we
Speaker 2: had gone up there for the most part following a
Speaker 2: log road. Then we were trying to do the cross
Speaker 2: country method and it was getting a little bit later,
Speaker 2: and we didn't have a whole lot of gear with us.
Speaker 2: It was summertime, so we basically had some rope start
Speaker 2: or piece of plastic. I think my brother had a
Speaker 2: military poncho or something like that, and it also looked
Speaker 2: like it was going to be storming here shortly, so
Speaker 2: we had to quit something to eat, set up our camp,
Speaker 2: and probably an hour or so later it did start
Speaker 2: raining thunderstorm, and we just basically called it a night.
Speaker 2: Through the night after it rains, it's very quiet. The
Speaker 2: grounds went Obviously, I was woken up and by something
Speaker 2: stirring around in our little camp area. The other thing
Speaker 2: is we we had to hike quite away in around
Speaker 2: to find a flat spot big enough for two of
Speaker 2: our little ten type things, and so we didn't have
Speaker 2: a lot of room between them, I would say no
Speaker 2: more than six feet, and whatever was moving around was
Speaker 2: was moving kind of around the circumference of the camp site,
Speaker 2: and then at one point it was actually between the
Speaker 2: two tents and laying on the ground, I could actually
Speaker 2: feel the impact of the when when the foot hit
Speaker 2: the ground, I could just feel it in my body
Speaker 2: and at the time just remember thinking what is that?
Speaker 2: And nothing really, nothing else happened after that, listened to that,
Speaker 2: and eventually it just kind of went away. And so
Speaker 2: in the morning when my brother and I were talking
Speaker 2: about it, I said, did you hear that too? And
Speaker 2: he said yes, And we did a quick little recount
Speaker 2: of the area to see if we could see tracks
Speaker 2: or anything like that, and there was nothing. The only
Speaker 2: odd thing that we did find was like the stone
Speaker 2: post of a house or a cabin at some point
Speaker 2: that was maybe seventy five yards away. But nothing, no tracks,
Speaker 2: anything like that. And I've hunted my whole life since
Speaker 2: very young. There's basically three animals deer, moose, and a
Speaker 2: bear that could that are on the large side.
Speaker 3: I've hunted in Alaska, so they.
Speaker 2: Will walk through a camp, but this just didn't sound
Speaker 2: like a moose. A bears very quiet in the deer
Speaker 2: certainly with the human set is not going to go
Speaker 2: anywhere near that. So Clostenberry's quite tall for a mountain
Speaker 2: in the northeast, it's a little over thirty seven hundred feet,
Speaker 2: and I would say we were probably two thirds away
Speaker 2: up somewhere on there on one of those little shelves
Speaker 2: at the time. You know, back then, the Big Vote
Speaker 2: was a thing, but not really on the front pages
Speaker 2: of everything, not common, and I never put that together.
Speaker 2: Just we just wrote it off and moved on and
Speaker 2: didn't really think too much about it. That's kind of
Speaker 2: my Vermont side of that is.
Speaker 1: That is very interesting, Dave. And it's an area where
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned the Bennington Triangle and there's so
Speaker 1: many weird things that happened in that area. Probably listeners
Speaker 1: are aware. I know Small Town Monsters is coming out
Speaker 1: with a documentary soon on it. But I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got missing people, you've got Bigfoot reports, you've got all
Speaker 1: sorts of really weird stuff. Were you then at that
Speaker 1: time in your life? Were you interested in Bigfoot or
Speaker 1: aware of it or what was your relation to the
Speaker 1: topic at that time?
Speaker 2: At that time, I was certainly aware. I think when
Speaker 2: I was very probably a teenager, we went and saw
Speaker 2: I May Butcher the name, but the legend of Bobby Creek.
Speaker 2: I was aware of the Patterson Gumblin pictures. But I
Speaker 2: think there was some TV shows that might have had
Speaker 2: some big push stuff too, But it certainly wasn't on
Speaker 2: my on my radar.
Speaker 1: Gotcha so Stormy, Rainy. Were there any weird smells out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary during that time?
Speaker 2: You know, thinking back to it, Uh, the only thing
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound weird, but like stale air, Like the
Speaker 2: air was just still and stale, like a very human room,
Speaker 2: walking into a human room.
Speaker 1: Gotcha And it wasn't like a I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think of the last storm I went through out in
Speaker 1: the Midwest. Not like an ozone type, you know, when
Speaker 1: there's lightning strikes and you smell that ozone. Nothing like that.
Speaker 2: No, okay, no, you know, we were uh that area
Speaker 2: kind of it's on the eastern edge of the Hudson
Speaker 2: Valley Hudson River Valley, so you can see quite a
Speaker 2: ways out through depending on what other mountains might be
Speaker 2: in your way. But so we could see the storm
Speaker 2: in the valley.
Speaker 3: And as it came.
Speaker 2: But I don't recall any lightning anywhere near us, but
Speaker 2: we could see some.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm definitely sure. It's it's such a beautiful area.
Speaker 1: When you were looking around for tracks the next day,
Speaker 1: did you notice any let's say, maybe any any broken
Speaker 1: branches or anything that would have shown that something large
Speaker 1: would have been walking through the area off the trees.
Speaker 2: And no, and no moose tracks. You know. Since then,
Speaker 2: since that time, I've kind of reflected back and like
Speaker 2: I said, I've hunted Alaska with moose, and I know
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for or you know, is whether it's
Speaker 2: a cow or a bull they'll just charge right through
Speaker 2: and they'll break stuff as they go along. So but
Speaker 2: there was nothing and we didn't even see any kind
Speaker 2: of tracks. You know, if it was a move, you
Speaker 2: would see the impression in the ground, and we saw nothing.
Speaker 1: Was there any Did this affect you emotionally in any
Speaker 1: way after? Is it maybe just a thing where you're
Speaker 1: just like, well, that was kind of odd hearing footprints
Speaker 1: and not seeing anything after.
Speaker 2: At that point in time, Yeah, that's really what it was.
Speaker 2: It was like, well, that was weird and I can't
Speaker 2: really explain it, but okay, and you know, since learning
Speaker 2: more about that area, because the years progress, you know,
Speaker 2: you can make an argument that it was definitely a
Speaker 2: weird experience and I don't have answers for.
Speaker 1: It, absolutely, And what you just said is kind of
Speaker 1: similar to what I'm about to ask, you know, And
Speaker 1: after this time, it sounds like then you became a
Speaker 1: police officer or detective specifically, and so you're constantly looking
Speaker 1: at anythings into two things. Did you did you at
Speaker 1: any point look back at this time and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's something else that happened close to this
Speaker 1: area that was reported regarding bigfoot or something else. Any
Speaker 1: connections like that.
Speaker 2: The only thing a guy I knew one day, you know,
Speaker 2: we were just we're just literally talking and we're talking
Speaker 2: about weird things up on the mountain and this would
Speaker 2: have been well into the two thousands, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was riding my ATV up there, and you know,
Speaker 2: I saw this and it was a flip phone and
Speaker 2: it was a picture off a flip phone. And he's like,
Speaker 2: what is this? And I looked at it and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's big and it's brown and
Speaker 2: it looks like a gorilla.
Speaker 3: And I tried getting that.
Speaker 2: Picture from him, but he since passed and it's gone
Speaker 2: to wherever now. But you know, and I told him
Speaker 2: about the experience with something walking through our camp, and
Speaker 2: you know, it would have had to have been something
Speaker 2: very good on its feet, because these tents weren't very
Speaker 2: far apart and only talking the foot or two between
Speaker 2: the two tents, and to walk between them without knocking
Speaker 2: things over is.
Speaker 1: Almost like it was able to walk in a straight line.
Speaker 1: It would have to, yes, exactly. Hmmm. I love hearing
Speaker 1: stories like that where it's like you saw something on
Speaker 1: a flip phone, because you know, in that time, you
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about AI photos or anything like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it was a different time when it comes
Speaker 1: to bigfoot photos. Even though stuff could be faked, it's
Speaker 1: I think you had a less of a chance of it.
Speaker 1: So that that's so, it looked very similar to a gorilla.
Speaker 1: You were saying things you've seen before.
Speaker 2: The picture. The color was like that of alliance that
Speaker 2: that can brown color. And it was very muscular on
Speaker 2: its front half and it was squat The front half
Speaker 2: was taller. It was like a gorilla stands almost and
Speaker 2: you know, the back was at an angle. It was
Speaker 2: definitely going down on all fours. And and again I
Speaker 2: don't know of any animals that are up there. The
Speaker 2: state of Vermont probably has mountain lions up there, and
Speaker 2: that's what you know, it could have been a rather
Speaker 2: large mountain lion. They'll deny that they're there, but they're there,
Speaker 2: you know, because the quality of the picture wasn't that great,
Speaker 2: but it clearly was a large animal. Wow.
Speaker 1: So it was definitely it was a front front view
Speaker 1: of of whatever was in that photo. Then yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: gotcha any any and I know you said it was
Speaker 1: a low detail of it, we were able to see
Speaker 1: that the head or the face at all.
Speaker 2: Uh. And and again it looked just like a gorilla's base.
Speaker 2: It was if I was looking at the picture, it
Speaker 2: was a side profile shot looking to the right, and
Speaker 2: the animal or whatever it was was looking right straight,
Speaker 2: like completely to the right of the screen. So I
Speaker 2: had a good profile shot. It's hard to judge size
Speaker 2: or judge distance based on that picture, but forty to
Speaker 2: fifty yards maybe, And you know, it had that I
Speaker 2: hate to sound like everybody else, but that cone head
Speaker 2: shape with the extended jaw right, and that's really what
Speaker 2: it looked like.
Speaker 1: That's wild, That is absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: The thing that impressed me was just the muscular of
Speaker 2: the shoulders and like the arms seemed to be very muscular.
Speaker 1: Since that time, have you ever seen any other piece
Speaker 1: of meat? Yeah, that comes close to what you saw
Speaker 1: in that Uh, in that photo, I.
Speaker 2: Have not having come from that area. There's always stories
Speaker 2: and stuff. There was a story of one supposedly crossing
Speaker 2: Group seven. Somebody supposedly admitted to that dressing up in
Speaker 2: a suit and crossing. We don't, I don't know, gotcha.
Speaker 1: So and so you're saying there's Over the years, you've
Speaker 1: heard other reports uh from this this Bennington Triangle area
Speaker 1: southern Vermont as well. Did you ever get any any
Speaker 1: calls or anything when you were an active police officer
Speaker 1: or detective that you're like, oh, the one that might
Speaker 1: be connected to uh to Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Not really. We did have a couple of people getting
Speaker 2: it get lost stuck in there because our area would
Speaker 2: have covered that. And you know, unfortunately, everybody that was
Speaker 2: lost was lost for just a short period of time
Speaker 2: and we were able to get them out, you know,
Speaker 2: with the agencies that were involved. So nobody when I
Speaker 2: was active, there was nobody that was lost never found.
Speaker 1: That's good, I mean, that's the best. That's the thing
Speaker 1: you want to hear is that the people that were
Speaker 1: lost were able to be to be found. I mean,
Speaker 1: so often the story is different than that. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially if you get out in places like the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: But you know, after you had this this is odd experience,
Speaker 1: How did this affect the rest of your life when
Speaker 1: it comes to Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: I would say that as Bigfoot became more of a
Speaker 2: thing and more socially accepted, I had thought back to
Speaker 2: that and said, you know, maybe because I don't have
Speaker 2: an answer as to what went through there, And so
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is that I'm more open to the
Speaker 2: idea now. That area is not too far from Whitehall, so,
Speaker 2: you know, which is supposedly one of the hot spots
Speaker 2: in the Northeast. So I look at it as, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that's very probable that there was something there. And
Speaker 2: the other thing is, you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: stats kind of person in statistical probability and different things,
Speaker 2: but Vermont is very for There's a lot of mountains,
Speaker 2: a lot of forests where something could in fact travel
Speaker 2: very easily from north to south with no problem not
Speaker 2: be seen.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and yeah, I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize how wild it can get in that area of
Speaker 1: the Northeast. So I definitely definitely agree with you on that, Dave.
Speaker 2: There's a reservoir on the backside of Clawstonbury that we
Speaker 2: used to go fishing at, and you know, it's a
Speaker 2: fourteen mile ride just to get to the reservoir of
Speaker 2: just a dirt road, so it's very vast up in there,
Speaker 2: and people just don't realize you can get turned around
Speaker 2: pretty easily.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. We took a trip over there when I had
Speaker 1: visited New England a month or so ago, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. Once you drive into Green Mountain National Forest, Uh,
Speaker 1: you can just go and go and go, and it
Speaker 1: is very daunting area for the for the northeast is
Speaker 1: very I would say, it's very easy for something to
Speaker 1: hide out in there and for people not to see it.
Speaker 1: I did notice a lot of prior camp sites in
Speaker 1: that area had been shut down for different reasons, so
Speaker 1: that was interesting as well. But uh, Dave you said
Speaker 1: that you you also have another interesting experience too to
Speaker 1: share about an area kind of close by, but uh,
Speaker 1: maybe a little a little further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone friend has a a hunting camp and it's
Speaker 2: it's basically the center of the Adirondack Mountains and and
Speaker 2: that's what it choose for is uh hunting area. It's
Speaker 2: a small cabin on some lease logging land and he's
Speaker 2: had it for about five years ago or five years now,
Speaker 2: and the first couple of years, you know, we're just
Speaker 2: kind of learning the lay of the land. That would
Speaker 2: be myself, him and another guy that would go up
Speaker 2: there primarily, and there's some others that go later, but
Speaker 2: I've not yet met them, So he relates this story
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I got there about a week later. I live in
Speaker 2: South Carolina, so it's a pretty good hike for me
Speaker 2: to get from there to New York now or Vermont.
Speaker 2: But I do make it up there a couple of
Speaker 2: times a year. And so a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: he and a friend, the other guy that's in the camp.
Speaker 2: It was opening weekend of their season, I believe, so
Speaker 2: late October, and they were just up there. It might
Speaker 2: have been the weekend before opening weekend. I'm not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure, but it was the end of October
Speaker 2: and they were up there and they'd had a few
Speaker 2: beers and they're sharing war stories and what have you,
Speaker 2: and about midnight they decided to call it a night
Speaker 2: and go to bed. So I'll give you the layout
Speaker 2: of the camp. First. It's on a killed that it
Speaker 2: slopes to the back, and on the back of the
Speaker 2: camp there's a door, but there's no steps or anything yet.
Speaker 2: It just opens up and it's probably seven foot drop,
Speaker 2: maybe eight foot drops if you were to walk out there.
Speaker 2: Windows on either side. The bedrooms are more to the back,
Speaker 2: the back corner and along the wall is one room,
Speaker 2: so that's where the beds are, and in the other
Speaker 2: room there's a wood stove in like a camp sink
Speaker 2: and a little stove and that sort of stuff. In
Speaker 2: the front door has a twist lock and a dead bowl,
Speaker 2: and the dead bowl is a pain in the neck
Speaker 2: to get open. You really have to pull on the
Speaker 2: door to get its a lot. It's just difficult. So
Speaker 2: on that particular night they go to bed in. About
Speaker 2: an hour later, my friend, he says, he tells me
Speaker 2: he wakes up. He's standing outside. He's got his shorts on,
Speaker 2: his T shirt, and he's standing there in his socks,
Speaker 2: and he's kind of gazed a little bit and starts
Speaker 2: yelling and for the other guy. You know, I forgot
Speaker 2: to add that they started the wood stove. It's just
Speaker 2: good to keep the warms up the camp a little bit.
Speaker 2: But it had gotten hot in there, so they had
Speaker 2: cracked the windows, which have some screens on. And so anyway,
Speaker 2: he's outside and yelling for the other guy, and he
Speaker 2: ultimately opens up the front door and goes up there,
Speaker 2: and my friend, who stand there in his socks and
Speaker 2: again a little bit confused as to how he got there.
Speaker 2: His socks weren't muddy. If he had walked through the
Speaker 2: front door, Uh, he would have had a very difficult time,
Speaker 2: and he would have needed his keys to lock the door.
Speaker 2: The guy that came back out, his friend or our friend,
Speaker 2: said the door was still locked. The dead boat was
Speaker 2: still locked when he went to get the owner. And anyway,
Speaker 2: they're a little rattled by this, and they go back
Speaker 2: inside and they're looking and none of the flashlights in
Speaker 2: the camp. Fork is light that he keeps primarily wasn't working.
Speaker 2: And there's always a couple of headlamps hanging up, you know,
Speaker 2: in case somebody gets a deer or something. He's an
Speaker 2: extra one. None of those who are working. And after
Speaker 2: a while they finally drift off and go to sleep.
Speaker 2: He thought it was around four o'clock. So in the
Speaker 2: morning they get up and the kind of looking around
Speaker 2: the outside of the camp so on that let's see,
Speaker 2: it would have been the southern wall. There's a window
Speaker 2: in that screen door or the screen had been opened.
Speaker 2: The window had been open, but the screen was pulled
Speaker 2: off the upper left corner from the top down. That's
Speaker 2: fairly tall. We measured it and it's you know, between
Speaker 2: eleven and twelve feet for something to reach up there
Speaker 2: and pull that screen down. The interesting thing is is
Speaker 2: he said that they saw a handprint on the screen
Speaker 2: the size of a basketball. He has no idea how
Speaker 2: he got outside, no recollection of how he got outside.
Speaker 2: You know, I've asked him how many beers did you have?
Speaker 2: And he said we had luck too, so and again
Speaker 2: I you know, we're good at busting each other's chops,
Speaker 2: So I said, are you guys pulling my leg now?
Speaker 2: And my friend's over six foot there is no way
Speaker 2: that he fit through that little hole, you know, Like
Speaker 2: if he had was trying to play a prank on
Speaker 2: the other guy and get through that hole, there is
Speaker 2: absolutely no way. And he has bad kneeds from the army.
Speaker 2: So had he jumped out of there, he would have
Speaker 2: been in a pile outside had not been able to
Speaker 2: get up. My friend was actually a little rattled by that,
Speaker 2: which kind of surprised me. He told me he wasn't
Speaker 2: going back up there by himself, and he really didn't
Speaker 2: for a little bit. So I was able to get
Speaker 2: there the next week, I believe it was, and we
Speaker 2: were doing some it was probably two weeks, and we
Speaker 2: were getting ready to my friend and I were getting
Speaker 2: ready to go out for the morning and had our coffee.
Speaker 2: What have you? And our phones charged overnight. Now sale
Speaker 2: service isn't the great it is up there. It's actually
Speaker 2: pretty bad. Unless you get to the top of a
Speaker 2: couple of the mountains, you can get some service, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't drain them. And and I had shot my
Speaker 2: wife at tax and was getting, like I said, getting
Speaker 2: ready to leave, and next thing I know, my phone's
Speaker 2: power is at two percent. And my friend checked his
Speaker 2: and his is the same same thing, Like they're both drained,
Speaker 2: not dead, but drained, and post them like, what's going
Speaker 2: on with that? And I guess my desire to hunt
Speaker 2: was more than my desire to figure out what was
Speaker 2: going on with the phones. And we went our separate ways,
Speaker 2: and you know, when we met back up later that morning,
Speaker 2: he said, Hey, we're happen to your phone? And he said, well,
Speaker 2: it was a couple hours later, an hour and a
Speaker 2: half something like that. He said, my phone came back
Speaker 2: to full power and minded as well. So I've had
Speaker 2: phone since they'd come out, and I've never had one
Speaker 2: to do that, so especially to of them at the
Speaker 2: same time, I'm really not sure what would have cause that.
Speaker 2: So the year before that, so that would have been
Speaker 2: three years ago now, I believe. He said. I mentioned
Speaker 2: the back door, and there's a house out behind the camp.
Speaker 2: It is very dark out there, and generally you're not
Speaker 2: wanting around too far out there after dark, and so
Speaker 2: as guys, oftentimes we would just use the back door,
Speaker 2: open it up, take care of business. Well I had
Speaker 2: done that, and I was standing there and I'm watching
Speaker 2: these lights in the sky. It was almost like in
Speaker 2: the shape of a W, like each point on a W.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden they start dancing all
Speaker 2: over the sky and going at right angles and different things.
Speaker 2: And they stayed long enough for me to yell to
Speaker 2: Scott or my friend, and he comes over and looks
Speaker 2: at it and sees them doing the same thing. And
Speaker 2: he has a military background and four drums ways away
Speaker 2: from there, and I said, any chance in the military messing
Speaker 2: around and he's like no.
Speaker 3: So this went on probably.
Speaker 2: Thirty seconds maybe, and they were just at one point
Speaker 2: they just basically dissolved and disappeared. Now that direction would
Speaker 2: have been to the west. There is really not a
Speaker 2: lot out there for many miles to the west, so
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that was all about. And then
Speaker 2: last year, my friend was up there with his dog
Speaker 2: and he had gotten a new bird dog, and he
Speaker 2: was up there by himself, and there's the camp is
Speaker 2: built on a side hill with a log road, and
Speaker 2: then there's this pretty significant mountain to the east and
Speaker 2: kind of a bowl between two mountains to the west,
Speaker 2: and a creek down in the bottom and some pines
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, good size. And he was
Speaker 2: up there with his dog, and in that valley below
Speaker 2: the camp, he said he heard this long, loud how
Speaker 2: and that's what he just described it as. And he
Speaker 2: said he could hear like trees being broken, branches being broken,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and his dog is a hunting dog.
Speaker 2: His dog took off and went for the door for
Speaker 2: the camp and wanted inside. He said this went on
Speaker 2: for a couple of minutes, and he went and grabbed
Speaker 2: a weapon of some sort and went back out. He
Speaker 2: actually called me the day that happened, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: try to record it if you can, and he called
Speaker 2: me from right up there, and he never did get
Speaker 2: it recorded. And you know, I used to do forensic
Speaker 2: interviews with the cases, so you try not to ask
Speaker 2: leading questions. And I just suggested to him go to
Speaker 2: YouTube play some supposed big foot hollows and sounds and
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and and you know, see if
Speaker 2: you can find something that matches or an animal sound
Speaker 2: that matches.
Speaker 3: And you know, it was I don't know, probably a.
Speaker 2: Week later it comes back and he says that I
Speaker 2: think it's at Ohio sound. He said it sounded just
Speaker 2: like it. So that was rather interesting to me. And
Speaker 2: that was just last year. And I went up the
Speaker 2: week after or let's see, I was there. I got
Speaker 2: there on election day, so November fourth, and and nothing, nothing, no,
Speaker 2: And I was there by myself for most of.
Speaker 3: The time, and you know, I didn't have.
Speaker 2: Any issues at all. So this year, in June, so
Speaker 2: just a month to go, we had gone. I'd gone
Speaker 2: up there. My friend was up there, and we're kind
Speaker 2: of getting ready getting the camp, some things that we
Speaker 2: wanted to do with the camp. And he had a
Speaker 2: contractor guy that had a skid scare and we were
Speaker 2: going to fix the if you want to call it
Speaker 2: a driveway where it loops in front of the camp,
Speaker 2: and the way the land is it gets kind of
Speaker 2: soggy right there in front, you know. So hence, like
Speaker 2: this story earlier where he had gone outside, his feet
Speaker 2: would have been muddy had he been there walking around
Speaker 2: with his socks out there. But anyway, we had this
Speaker 2: guy uh coming up and it was a Friday, and
Speaker 2: he did his work with his machine, and they were
Speaker 2: him and his worker. We're going to spend the night.
Speaker 2: Nine thirty. He went out to his truck to get
Speaker 2: some stuff, and he said he got a very uneasy
Speaker 2: feeling about being there, and like something was watching him,
Speaker 2: and he could actually hear some stuff stirn around. He
Speaker 2: didn't say that he saw anything, but my friend and
Speaker 2: I were talking about it after the fact, and this
Speaker 2: guy was supposed to spend Saturday night and did not,
Speaker 2: So we don't know if maybe he got a little
Speaker 2: spooked by that, because my friend did tell him about
Speaker 2: some of the strange things that happened the next day,
Speaker 2: but nobody had said anything to him about some of
Speaker 2: the strange things that happened, I can't before that, so
Speaker 2: he was completely oblivious to that sort of thing. And
Speaker 2: you know that Saturday, I had taken the side by
Speaker 2: side down the road because I was looking and going
Speaker 2: to look at a little spot where to put up
Speaker 2: a trail camp. And as we come back around to
Speaker 2: the camp, it's two three miles back in there, there
Speaker 2: was a bear right there in the road and the
Speaker 2: dog was running beside the side by side. So when
Speaker 2: he sees us, he turned around and he stood up
Speaker 2: unassigned legs and just kind of looked at us for
Speaker 2: a few seconds. And there is no way that a
Speaker 2: bear could have reached that window. It's just not They're
Speaker 2: just not that big. And this was probably a two
Speaker 2: hundred pounds bear. So yeah, that area has certainly got
Speaker 2: some weird things happening. It seems to center primarily in October,
Speaker 2: late October. So that's the story of the camp. Wow.
Speaker 1: How tall would you estimate that bear to be when
Speaker 1: it was on its hind legs.
Speaker 2: He's probably four foot between four and four and a
Speaker 2: half feet. You know, he wasn't right up there tall tall,
Speaker 2: but he was kind of on his unches a little bit,
Speaker 2: and he wasn't moving. I had to yell at the dog,
Speaker 2: and you know, I finally yelled at the bear and
Speaker 2: he finally took off, so he wasn't afraid.
Speaker 1: Wow, So you have this area not only potential Bigfoot activity,
Speaker 1: but some kind of either lights in the woods or
Speaker 1: UFOs in the sky, something weird like that. It is
Speaker 1: a very very strange area. Have you looked to see
Speaker 1: if there's been reports in that area by other people
Speaker 1: of strange things? I know you said that it's in
Speaker 1: the adirondackx somewhere.
Speaker 2: There are a few other camps up in the area.
Speaker 2: So my friend one day he was he met up
Speaker 2: with one of the other camp owners and uh, the
Speaker 2: other guy had had a feudy drink and and my
Speaker 2: friend posed that question, you know this some weird things
Speaker 2: up here, and he just got an eye roll. So,
Speaker 2: and there's another guy that that we just back in June.
Speaker 2: We kind of I'm trying to walk him down that
Speaker 2: path to see if he would say anything, and he hasn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't and he's a lifelong I think he's a
Speaker 2: lifelong resident there of the closest town.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, has you know experiencing and hearing about these weird
Speaker 1: things happening around this cabin. Has it affected you going
Speaker 1: up there in any way? Or what's your what's your
Speaker 1: viewpoint now going up to this area? I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to travel all the way up from the south.
Speaker 2: You said, yes. I think at this point I'm more
Speaker 2: curious trying to figure out what impact is going on,
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe I'll never know, but more curious
Speaker 2: and just kind of looking for answers. I think prior
Speaker 2: to the weird stuff, and I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: any connection between the lights and what had happened to
Speaker 2: my friend. But prior to that, if you had asked
Speaker 2: me what bigfoot was, I would have said a flesh
Speaker 2: and blood animal. And I guess I kind of maybe
Speaker 2: opened that door to something else. Now I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's one of those things that makes
Speaker 1: you wonder, especially when you hear something like the guy
Speaker 1: that found himself outside and the door is still locked.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not many logical I mean, I really
Speaker 1: can't think of any logical explanations for that man. That's
Speaker 1: just pretty weird stuff.
Speaker 2: And he has an extensive military training where he spent
Speaker 2: time in the field. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: put too much information out there, but he was highly trained,
Speaker 2: now leave it at that, so for him to be
Speaker 2: a little bit rattled, it makes you wonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, anyone that's been up in that area. Have
Speaker 1: they started to have things happen afterwards that are unexplainable,
Speaker 1: like at home, Like all of a sudden, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: now there's weird stuff happening at at our home residence.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2: And you know, after he relayed that story to me,
Speaker 2: I did some quick looking online and stuff for the
Speaker 2: Adirondack Mountains and there's nothing really specific about you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the woods being hontaged or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So it's very dark because there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: popular population in that area. So uh, you know, you
Speaker 2: can see the stars very well. There's not a lot
Speaker 2: of aircraft traffic, if anything. I've I've heard the mill
Speaker 2: carry jets overhead and actually see them, so they go
Speaker 2: do their things. Sometimes that's during the daytime, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's again, that's a very remote area up in here,
Speaker 2: day walk for miles.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating account, and I think even even coolers
Speaker 1: when you have accounts like this where it is continuing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are going to keep going up
Speaker 1: to that area at certain times of years, and it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see if it continue, if weird things
Speaker 1: continue to happen or you know, yeah, I'd love it
Speaker 1: if you were able to keep in touch if things
Speaker 1: continue to occur up there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we were discussing plans for this year's season already,
Speaker 2: so there you go.
Speaker 1: And Dave, I want to make sure you know before
Speaker 1: we we close out our time that you were able
Speaker 1: to share everything that you had wanted to share on
Speaker 1: the show today.
Speaker 2: I believe so.
Speaker 1: Yes, fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming forward
Speaker 1: and for sharing a few just very interesting things about
Speaker 1: an area of the country we don't hear a lot
Speaker 1: about on this show, Southern Vermont and the Adirondacks. And
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and definitely keep in touch
Speaker 1: if things continue to happen up there in the Adirondacks.
Speaker 2: Dave, I will, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you
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Speaker 1: Dave's stories are the kind that stay with you, not
Speaker 1: just because of what walked between the tents or what
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