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Speaker 1: We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hello it and is welcome back to another edition of

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the PSO. I am the team. You're te Low Tom Fitzgerald,

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and I'm here with the Low and your te Lo Lorenzo.

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Mark has my lovely husband, how are you love husband?

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Speaker 2: Wonderful.

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Speaker 1: There's a little nip in the air, which is exciting.

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It's finally getting shund parts. I'm kind of ready for it,

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and we have things to discuss.

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Speaker 2: First.

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Speaker 1: Of course, once again we're a little late on this

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podcast because of all the construction next door, but I

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think with the colder weather they're starting to slow down.

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Speaker 2: Did we mention our Halloween collection has been It's been

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so long that.

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Speaker 1: We yes, we mentioned in the last podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still adoring love.

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Speaker 1: I already should go to Instagram. Lorenzo's taking pictures of

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all or Halloween stuff. We have a range of topics

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to discuss today because this podcast is going up a

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little bit later than we plan. Some of them aren't

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the freshest topics in the world, but they're still ongoing.

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We're gonna talk a little bit about Bad Bunny and

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all the ridiculous Brujaja surrounding his halftime show for the

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Super Bowl, which isn't even in for what three months,

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And we are going to talk a little bit about

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Kia Knightley, who does not know how to answer unpleasant

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questions and is facing a bit of a backlash at

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the moment. And we're also going to take the time

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to talk about her latest film, The Woman in capin ten,

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which dropped on Netflix about two weeks ago, because that

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discussion is likely well, I can't discuss movie if we're

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not going to discuss the twist and how it turned

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out and everything. So that's going at the end of

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the podcast. Right now, We're going to kick things off

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with Lorenzo's TikTok times. He has two celebrity stories that

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he dropped on me just a few minutes ago, one

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of which I know about because I followed it, and

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the other one I don't know anything about, and I

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once he gave me the particulars of it, I was like,

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you know what I'm dropping out of that one? You

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talk about it. So let's first talk about Kristen Bell

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Yes and Dex Shepherd.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's TikTok getting offended about everything and you know rightfully,

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so in a way, I think in this case, Christen

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Bell and Dex's Shepherd, they they posted on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Can I just stop? I'm sorry, but just to drop

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this in here. They have a long history that told

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them being a weird couple that say weird on you

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don't even know how to parse what they're saying. I

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think a lot of what they do is they think

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they're being funny. They like the attention, and they like

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being seen as a weird couple in Hollywood. All right,

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I'll shut up.

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Speaker 2: That is true. And they said other things in the

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pets but anyway, they posted happy twelve wedding Universe three.

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She posted to the man who once said to me,

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I would never kill you, and the whole thing happening

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when during the domestic violence Awareness month.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to read the rest of it? There's

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a whole quote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to find it. Oh, happy twelfth wedding

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and versus the men who once said to me I

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would never kill you. A lot of men have killed

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their wives at a certain point. Even though I'm heavily

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incentified in device to kill to kill you, I never would.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Putting aside the domestic Violence Awareness which isn't I'm

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not suggesting that this is not a reason to be

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offended by it. Is actually the number one reason to

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be offended by it. But I'm not going to suggest

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she knew that when she posted it, or that.

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Speaker 2: She never knew anything.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but did you know it was domestic violence Awareness

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month before this?

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I'll I'll tell you something. I don't

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care what monthy. I agree with that we're being aware

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of this should not be the.

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Speaker 1: Fact is way I said, put inside domestic Violence Awareness Month.

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I mean, I'm not saying that's inconsequential to it. But again,

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I don't think everyone listening to this knew that it

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was Domestic Blends Awareness month. Having said that, your point

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is correct. Making jokes about domestic violence and murdering your spouse,

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guess what I mean. Long marriage between two people, you'll

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make jokes to each other, absolutely not about murdering each

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other or but oh my god, I could kill you

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right now. Of course you say stuff like that, but A,

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you don't really share that kind of stuff if you're

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joking around, and B this was a weirdly detailed kind

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of take on it. You know it wasn't just sometimes

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you drive me crazy and I could kill you. Like

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that's that's normal spouse stuff. Even if it does come

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off weird on social media, I.

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Speaker 2: Would never post this. I mean, fans have people following.

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Speaker 1: They like that sort of weird facts.

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Speaker 2: And some people defended them saying, well, don't you know them,

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they're they're comedians, that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: They're not comedians.

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Speaker 2: Well whatever, they're funny or whatever. However they said it,

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it's stupid funny.

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Speaker 1: Isn't a free pass to just say any stupid offensive thing?

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where you think you can just go and do anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even if if she had said, uh,

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you know, uh he said he would never kill me,

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that's you know, that's kind of okay. But when you

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go on and that's no. My point is that in

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your head maybe that's okay. But then when you go

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and continue saying a lot of men have killed their

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wives at a certain point, I mean, you're really you know, elaborating, right,

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I mean, you're really detailing a lot of things here

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that you shouldn't and and it just no matter how

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you say it, it's it's a it's it's not a

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great thing to say at all.

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Speaker 1: No, I like I said, I think they're just goofy

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ass attention seekers who like to be seen us as

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weird and they have had just a long history of

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making weird comments or anything. I mean, I would not

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read anything into this. I'm not reading it, are you.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: There's anything dark in their marriage. No, they just have

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a dark as of humor and they like to be

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weird in front of people.

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Speaker 2: I think they're just being funny. But when you are

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a public figure, when you have when you have a

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social account, you need to be more aware aware of

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what you say, especially because you have fans. You know,

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you don't know what's going on with your fans.

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Speaker 1: I mean what your social media numbers are. But I'm

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sure it's in the millions, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, which it's famous period. I mean, she has a

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very famous show right now, right uh. And it's just

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not I don't know, not the thing to say, not

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funny at all.

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Speaker 1: But as you noticed, she has a new show that

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I mean, she has a new season of her popular show,

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and maybe that's dropped and suddenly we're doing this weird

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thing for attention.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it. I hate to say this, but

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that's how PR works.

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Speaker 1: That's how yeah, m you don't have to be weird

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and offensive to get good PR though, all right, speaking

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of offensive, Sabrina.

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Speaker 2: Carpeenter, Yeah, so we're we're offended now with that, Sabrina Corportter.

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And I see it. You know, you have to explain

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to me so that I can see. But Sabrina Carpet

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was on Saturday that Live. She was the host and

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also the performer, and apparently she did really well. People

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were saying how great she did and blah blah blah,

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and then she saw sang one of her songs and

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the whole set was was Japanese inspired, which to me,

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right there is a red But yeah, I don't understand people.

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You have all these people around you PR, people you know,

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helping you, and nobody said, you know what, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Maynd with Japanese cultural imagery.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I would never do that. I would never you know,

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it's not gonna go well anyway. So she had this

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set and apparently the flour was the tatami U floor

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met the Japanese floor mets and according to the Japanese culture,

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you're not supposed to step on them, uh with choose

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on and apparently everybody on stage had choes on, including her.

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how can you not do a little research and understand that,

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you know, that's not something you do and if you're

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going there, if you're going to get inspired by some culture,

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you know, you should do a little bit of homework

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and be a little more respectful. And I totally agree. Yeah,

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you know, I didn't know much about it, but now

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I do because everyone is talking about it, and some

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Asian people came and explain, you know, on TikTok and

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made comments. So I don't understand. I don't understand, like

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why why you know, why would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Why would you put yourself in that? Has she apologized

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or anything.

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Speaker 2: No, because everyone now is taking to tell a swift approach,

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which is like, don't say anything, let it go away eventually. Yeah,

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that's the way people are dealing with things right right now.

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Speaker 1: That's how people are dealing with everything right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's the thing. It's a trend now, you

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just let it go because it's so absurd, right, and

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the next one is coming. The next train is coming,

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and so you have to let that train go.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't get I mean, it shouldn't give them free pass

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to be culturally insane.

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Speaker 2: However, I totally agree, but it's just where we are

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right now. Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, these things

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are planned by a ton of people, rehearsed everything, meaning

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to get to that point. I don't understand how you

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don't have someone in your team to say it, to say,

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you know, uh, let's do a little more research on this. Yeah,

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are we okay with this? Let's call let's call Asian

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fran and this.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, I did want to jump in

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and say, in terms of cultural appropriation and a well

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planned team, that louver heist.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, oh my god. Anyway, that's also something

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everyone is talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we were both like, it's not really

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our purview, but let's song is going to make a

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movie out of that someday. Oh and I should reveal.

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We're going to Paris in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So we're very excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a very short everyone says the same thing,

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that's not enough time in Paris. It's five days. And

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the thing is, this was one of those points and

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miles things where it's like, let's just put together an

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entire trip that we don't have to pay for. And

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the last few we've been traveling a lot. In the

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last few trips were long, like ten days to two

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weeks long. And that was actually really hard on our cats,

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who are used to having us at home all day

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every day. So it's not that it's not that we

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never leave the house, but you know, they are so

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bonded to us that ten to twelve days without us,

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they had some meltdowns. So we're only going for five days.

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But we've been to Paris before. It was very very

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early in our relationship. We were only I was thinking

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about it today. We were two years into our relationship

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and a year away from moving in together, and we

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went to Paris, and I always think of that. To me,

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that was our honeymoon equivalent. I thought we had just

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met now, but we were together two years wow, and

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we haven't been back. We haven't been back since then,

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so I didn't I do want to go back, you know,

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go back to Paris and do a little bit more.

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But this time I said, you know what, I have

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like three things I want to see. The Louver was

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not one of them because I knew it would eat

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up a whole day. And I said, the rest of

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the time, I am fine with just sitting in parks

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and cafes, begettes and croissants and drinking wine. And she

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you know, that's it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to relax.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see Notre Dame because they refer

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you know, they redid the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And we saw it how it was before.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go. Instead of going to the

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loub We're going to the Mucid that. I love that

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museum and it's doable. Right a second, I don't even know, Well,

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you want to go to the Eiffel Tower, which is

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really funny because when we went back then, that's why

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you were a big snob and you were like, no,

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everybody goes there. So we we went to Paris, but

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we never went to the Eiffel Tower, and now you're

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a big no. We got near American tourist, I know.

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Speaker 2: But we got near it, and I was like, oh,

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I know, I don't want a picture I don't want that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's not you know, now I do.

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Speaker 2: Now you do anyway?

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Speaker 1: Oh you want the T shirt and the magnet and

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the Christmas ornament. You want to go and do all

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the touristy things. No. Yeah, So we had said right

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from the I had said right from the jump when

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we planned this, I was like, let's not try and

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do the Loop. It just eats up so much time

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and everything. And then this happened and I was like, well,

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now I kind of want to go to the Loop.

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Speaker 2: I know, well back to the Loover thing. It's really incredible,

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the incredible, Yeah, that these people were alder park a

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fucking truck, put a.

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Speaker 1: Walk away with Crown jewels and then dropped the crown.

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They want to do the streets of Paris like jewels,

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just dropping off the break a window. That's a muppet caper.

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It's not even fair.

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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous. And and all this stuff is coming

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out that uh, you know that the the staff was

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complaining they were understaff, overcrowded.

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Speaker 1: That the security alarm actually worked, but I guess they

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must have moved in and out so quickly that they

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never got caught.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that you have a truck with a

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letter outside and and that didn't bring any bell I

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mean like come on, or.

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Speaker 1: That you could just access those windows. Those windows were

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just easily. What did they do? Did they break it

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or did they saw it open? I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: I saw it open and then they got in and

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it was like the whole thing was like seven men.

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And the thing is that the music. It's packed with tourists.

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So these people heard, I mean all the noise and

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all the stuff they saw them coming, and can you

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imagine that's just so bizarre. The last thing is bizarre.

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I think I don't understand how a museum like it's

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the most famous museum in the whole freaking world.

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Speaker 1: I was reading some I don't know, I mean really

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I don't know anything about this, but I've been reading

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up on it, and there they interviewed some experts on this,

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and they said this does not smack of like expert

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international jewel theory. This this is like a literal smash

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and grab jewel. And so that fascinates me because who

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would come up with this idea and then have the

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nerve to do it. Listen, I don't necessarily want to

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romanticize this, But I will be completely honest about this.

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I'm not really shedding any tears over crowns and jewels.

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I'm just not if they were works of art. And yes,

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I understand that jewelry design can be works of art.

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But we went to see the crown jewels at the

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Tower London last year and they were stunning. But I

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was nauseated.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sorry to have gone to see them, but

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after that, I was like, I'm never really going to

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pay money to see something like this again.

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Speaker 2: You also, I wish we were nauseated by a lot

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of things.

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Speaker 1: But I'm generally just all the European jewels were culturally appropriated,

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the stolen from countries, the exploitation involved to create those things.

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Not to mention the stunning you know, income level, You

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know that it represented the fact that society was so

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much more stratified when these crowns sat on heads and

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people were dying in the mud, while these people were

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walking around with fucking banks on their heads. So I

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don't have a hugely romanticized idea. I get that they

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are historically significant. I get that they are culturally significant

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in France, and that the country itself might be feeling

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a bit wounded by this. I think it's an embarrassment

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because let me just I just want to say, if

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it was artwork, I would be appalled, right, but if this,

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I'm actually I'm more amused than anything. Sorry to all

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the French out there, but I am. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I know, I well today, I mean, you know, the

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things they're doing at museums, like you know, throwing paint

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at paintings and stuff like that. I mean, I don't

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even know anymore, but I think it's an embarrassment for friends.

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You know, this is their point of view because it's

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it's just like.

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Speaker 1: It's such a symbol of the love is such a

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symbol of their country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a huge part of the history,

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you know, all the Napoleon stuff, the crowns and all that.

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The fact that you know they were they left on scooters,

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you know, and drapping crowns scooters and the dropping stuff,

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and that's why they found one of them, and it

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it I don't know. I have a ton of questions

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because first of all, like do they know it's specifically

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what they were getting or they just figure out that

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that window was easy way in and then they grab whatever.

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I doubt because I feel like they knew exactly what

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they were going for, and I don't know, maybe they

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had help inside help, who knows. I mean the fact

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that these people were part a truck up that that

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surprised me. That you don't have security around the museum

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to see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is I think, I say,

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but there is a certain sense of a superiority involved

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here that, you know, just lazy superiority that well, we're

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the louver who would do this, and they really didn't

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have the kind of security in place that a place

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like that has. I think I think that you could

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make the case that there was a little bit of

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French superiority that that tripped them up in this case.

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But you know, I'm pissing off the French enough as

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it is.

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Speaker 2: The irony is that you go to museum in specialty

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in Europe and they're so like protective of everything like.

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Speaker 1: That you don't mean you touching anything, but apparently you

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can smash windows and.

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Speaker 2: They they're they're kind of like sometimes rude to you

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when you all can and and you know, they search

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you and all that stuff. I get all that, but

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meanwhile there's someone putting a ladder outside.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, the reason this happened is because no

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one ever thought it would happen. So I really don't

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think there's gonna be a rash of ladder thieves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, europe fine truck and ladder fine, nobody thought of that.

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But you don't have security outside walking around them, walking

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around the museum to see what's going on outside, you know,

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around the walls, windows and all that. I mean, it's

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just bizarre. And the whole thing about them saying that, oh,

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they're going to dismantle all these pieces and jew you know,

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jams and all that melt the gold, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I said by now that most of it is recoverable,

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it's probably not going to get recovered, and.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe maybe someone with a lot of money

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bought them.

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Speaker 1: And I have to say that I don't let me

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put it to you this way. Fascinate by who would

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pull this off. But I'm not offended by it. And

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there's a part of me that's like, yeah, go, I

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hope you managed to, you know, sell all this stuff off,

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But no, I don't feel that much. I'm not the same.

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I just don't feel ooh boo, who crown jewels. I

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just don't feel like I said any work of art,

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I would probably and yeah, I'm going to get disagreement

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on this, and people are going to say the Crown

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jewels are works of art, but they are also some

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of the most exploitive items in the history of the world.

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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe that's why they did it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they did it, And that's why I'm

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kind of like, I'm willing for a little while to

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give this a statement, a sort of romantic gloss to it.

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And I'm torn because part of me is like I

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want them to get away with it. Not not one

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hundred percent, not really, but part of me really wants

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them to be caught because I'm like, who are these guys?

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I need to find out who do they look like?

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Brad Pitt and George Clooney, like, well, who are these guys?

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Do they look like your idea of like jewel hus

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guys or are they just a couple of thugs who

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had a smart idea?

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are the questions. And did you know

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exactly what you were looking for or you just thought

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that that window was an easy way.

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Speaker 1: In or no, they knew what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: Are you making a statement here? That's why you got

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crowns and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Could be But someone would have put out a statement

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by now this had really been a right.

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Speaker 2: And again I also questioned that you know, there's a

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ton of billionaires out there who would pay anything for

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that kind of stuff. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing. I mean, that's the kind of

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thing that you know, you get some corrupt billionaires, as

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I thought, Oh, I'm sorry, but I repeat myself, if

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you get some billionaires who are willing to hire a

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team to do this for them. Yeah, the list of

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sics is ye, sky high. Anyway, enough titillation. We're going

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to take a short break and then we're going to

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get back to pop culture and we're going to talk

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about Bad Bunny. We'll be right back. We're back, And

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I was going to say, we're here to bat around

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the stale news of Bad Bunny's Super Bowl concert and

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the controversy surrounding it. But how stale can it be

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when the concert is still three months away? Right, it's

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not a concert, it's a halftime show, still three months away,

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and there's still I just read before we've turned on

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the mics that there's a new petition to get him

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taken off. So Bad Money one of the most popular

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recording artists in the world right now, and I'm pretty

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certain he's probably the most popular Spanish language or Latin America. Yeah,

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I would imagine probably of Yeah, he's got a huge,

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huge fan base, which makes him a perfect choice for

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the halftime show, because you want someone with a lot

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of appeal to them, not with a niche appeal, but

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with a lot of appeal. And he applies. He absolutely

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applies by every standard. However, this is twenty twenty five

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in America. We are an increasingly overtly racist country in

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the sense that it has become in more and more

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common and easier for racist to just come out and

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say whatever rac friggin thing they want to say, and

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that includes everybody at the top echelons, our government and media. Hooray,

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So bad Bunny is. You know, he's not what I

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would call a controversial artist at all, but he is

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an artist. He's a Puerto Rican artist who refuses to

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sing not really well. He chooses to sing all of

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his songs in Spanish, not to frame it that he

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refuses to speak in English or sing in English is

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actually a little no.

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Speaker 2: He's just his music is in Spanish.

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Speaker 1: It's culturally Puerto Rican. His music a lot of it

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pulls from his own culture. He knows that his fan

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base is largely Latin American in Spanish speaking, not all

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of them, of course, because like I said, he has

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a huge crossover appeal. And you know, an artist can

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sing in their language, American or not. So many Americans

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seem to have a problem with the fact that there

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are huge portions of our country where Americans speaks Spanish,

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and to get annoyed that Puerto Rico is one of

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those places is just so backwards. It's it's really frankly

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un American. Put aside the racism to claim that Porto

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Rico doesn't never write or shouldn't have the right to

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make Spanish their primary language.

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Speaker 2: It's just the whole thing started, which is laughable, with

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the fact that they were saying, well, you know, we

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should choose an American.

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Speaker 1: He is an American.

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Speaker 2: Well he's an American, and you know, and something else.

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The prick was part of the United States. Yeah, they

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always forget that. They don't think New Mexico was part

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of the United States. If you don't want parts of

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your lynn speak another language, don't claim them then yeah,

474
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you know, it's part of the United States, and they

475
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speak Spanish there. That's it. Now.

476
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Speaker 1: Before the MINC's flipped on, Lorenzo and I talked back

477
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and forth about the fact that he would be performing

478
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entirely in Spanish for the Super Bowl halftime show, which

479
00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:41,440
I'm pretty sure is something that has never been done.

480
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,599
I pointed out that Jalo and Shakira were did the

481
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halftime show several years back, and I know part of

482
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that was in Spanish. Some of the songs were partially

483
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in Spanish, but as you noted, they were partially in Spanish,

484
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,240
and it was a different you know, the country wasn't

485
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it's a different is right now back then.

486
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: And in fact, Bad Bunny was invited when Jennif Philips

487
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,920
and Shakira s thing. I guess he was one of

488
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960
the guests in twenty twenty.

489
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:09,799
Speaker 1: Oh, he was on stage.

490
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was That's my understanding.

491
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: I seem to recall that.

492
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I think the main difference here is that

493
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,960
they both sing in English mostly and and they also

494
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,960
incorporated Spanish into the songs, and he is one hundred

495
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percent Spanish Spanish speaking.

496
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Speaker 1: I believe he has learned English. I know early in

497
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,920
his career he didn't know much. He didn't know much English,

498
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,440
and he didn't feel that he needed to use it

499
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in his interviews.

500
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Speaker 2: Which it's something you know, that's not the point, right, Yeah.

501
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: But I think that's sort of thing sets sets racist

502
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people off.

503
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,799
Speaker 2: Well right now, you know, anything Latin is triggering all

504
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:44,279
these people.

505
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they're bombing Venezuelans and.

506
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so I let's not even so choosing someone

507
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,200
who only sings in Spanish and all that. It's you know,

508
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,079
that's not what they want, and they're they're, you know,

509
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,559
they're complaining about it obviously.

510
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: So that petition, and there are several of them, turning points.

511
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,839
USA Charlie Kirk's organization is going to put on some

512
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,960
alternate halftime show, although it is unclear where it would

513
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,880
be hosted or if it would be broadcast. I don't

514
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,160
even see how that happens. And now there's another petition

515
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,960
that I just read an hour ago. That's fifty thousand signatures,

516
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,960
as Entertainment Weekly breathlessly covered and I was like yeah,

517
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,039
I think you need more than fifty thousand people to

518
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,640
watch the Super Bowl pay for those ads, fifty thousand

519
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,880
signatures to replace Bad Bunny with the country western singer

520
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,279
George Strait, who is seventy three years old, like not

521
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,359
broad appeal people. And that's what's sort of laughable about

522
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,799
this is that all the attempts to substitute someone else

523
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,920
or to push him off the stage are like the

524
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,880
most niche performers with no following. I have thought about

525
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,680
this about whether the NFL or whoever is in charge.

526
00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:58,880
I honestly didn't look it up. I don't know who

527
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,440
was in charge of making these decison for the super Bowl,

528
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,000
although I cannot imagine the NFL is not involved, and

529
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:07,839
that is not an organization that's like, yeah, let's piss

530
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,000
off Trump, let's piss off the mag of people. So

531
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:13,559
I really don't think he was picked to piss anybody off.

532
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,200
I do think they were naive, but they didn't think

533
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,720
there was going to be some sort of backlash.

534
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. Maybe they maybe they're enjoying it.

535
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean gets back to the

536
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,079
American Eagle thing. I don't really think the NFL is

537
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,759
looking to piss off anybody like the super Bowl is

538
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:32,079
not a political statement. The halftime show is about popularity.

539
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine them picking him and not expecting it.

540
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: That's my point though, I mean, I think maybe they

541
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,599
were naive or something. I don't know.

542
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: These people are never naive anyway.

543
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: Why would they want backlash for the super Bowl? Why

544
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,519
would they invite that?

545
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: The thing with bad money is it? I'm I'm I

546
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,480
don't know much about his music, to be honest. I mean,

547
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,599
but I do love what I've heard. But I enjoy

548
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,319
every time he's saying he's a.

549
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,079
Speaker 1: Great performer because it's very live and you know, and

550
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,200
say as hell.

551
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,799
Speaker 2: And it's just great music. But I'm not a fan,

552
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,000
and honestly, I can't even name one of the songs.

553
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,160
But he's great on stage, a lot of presence, you know,

554
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,400
He's just great. Yeah, So I can see why they

555
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,160
chose him. I do understand why people would kind of

556
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,279
like question someone singing in Spanish the whole time. I

557
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:18,240
can understand that.

558
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: I'll be honest and admit that he would help his

559
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,319
case if he hadn't come out and said that he

560
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,880
wasn't going to sing a single word in English, because honestly,

561
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,440
it is the Super Bowl.

562
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,759
Speaker 2: It feels a little odd. I mean, we're talking about

563
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,440
the super Bowl here, and you know.

564
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: It's not a Spanish be it's not it's not soccer

565
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,759
or or you know, it's not a Spanish sporting event.

566
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,079
Speaker 2: And as other people pointed out, it's not an international event.

567
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,160
That's what I mean. I know, the Olympics or something

568
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,000
big with international people.

569
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to take this line of

570
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,039
the conversation too far because it does get into you

571
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:52,720
have to speak English when you're in America, and I

572
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,839
don't believe that. And I don't believe you need to

573
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,640
sing so, you know, in English to be at the

574
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,440
Super I do think coming out and making a statement

575
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,319
that you're not going to sing in English at all,

576
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,119
I think you are asking for a certain level of

577
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,400
controversy there. And I don't know, I don't know what

578
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,759
the correct thing. I don't want to make concessions to

579
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,799
people who are whose opposition to him is entirely racist

580
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:17,240
in tone.

581
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,519
Speaker 2: Well maybe he'll bring guests with something like that. People

582
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:22,279
were saying, well, maybe he'll bring Jennifer Lop.

583
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,799
Speaker 1: Business, anybody like if that's fine. But again though it's like, well,

584
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:29,839
we'll accept it if there's a white girl or something

585
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,839
like that there. It's so problematic, But I don't want

586
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,839
to give. What I'm saying is it's so problematic to

587
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,160
try and parse this using the framing that the racists

588
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,720
have used. He is an extremely popular, hugely successful recording artist,

589
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:49,240
and that alone makes him an appropriate choice for, you know,

590
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:54,400
for the venue. I Aside from that, it's like, I

591
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,640
can understand people being a little briskly about him not

592
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,079
singing in English for this event. This isn't you know,

593
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,039
but not to the point that I think there should

594
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,119
be anything should be done about it. I just don't

595
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,720
think there's a single thing that should be done about it.

596
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,759
And I hope everybody ignores all this stupid bullshit.

597
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the problem here, the main problem here

598
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,160
is that people are very open about the racism these days.

599
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,839
It's very scary and there nobody's hiding anything anymore. And

600
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,839
you know, they're going after this guy for various reasons.

601
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,039
Speaker 1: And no, his music is not political, right he has made.

602
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,240
His one comment was he's not performing in America because

603
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960
he's afraid. He has so many Latin American fans. He's

604
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,160
afraid I are going to arrest people at his shows,

605
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200
and yeah, that is political, but that's also exactly what's

606
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,680
happening in the country. He's not wrong. And then of

607
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,079
course Christinome came out and said that she was going

608
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,440
to arrest people at the super Bowl blah blah blah blah,

609
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,839
which is just bullshit. They're trying to scare people, like really,

610
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:50,440
they're going to start pulling people out of their seats

611
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,799
at the super Bowl. It's it's just all it is

612
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,599
is indicative of the complete morass of culture and politics

613
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,519
where in right now in this country. Just a mess, mess, mess,

614
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,559
mess mess. And my solution is, yes, we can par

615
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,359
some of this as you and I just did, but

616
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,039
that's actually no. Let's just tell these people no, your

617
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,960
fucking assholes. He's a hugely popular singer. Shut up.

618
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: Maybe everybody tune in right, well, that's the thing. Maybe

619
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,480
some other time, people, I mean, how long is this thing?

620
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,079
Twenty minutes?

621
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a little bit longer than that.

622
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 2: Whatever, half an hour? I mean, like you know, it

623
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,240
would have been just half an hour of your time.

624
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,359
And then you question, huh, you only go over to Fox.

625
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: And where they're gonna have you know, but not this

626
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,559
kid Rock and George Straight and you can watch.

627
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: That obsessive you know debate for months.

628
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: No, there should be no debate. I know you and

629
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,000
I just tossd a few things around, but honestly, at

630
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,559
the end of the day, there is no debate because

631
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,000
you're conceiving. You're conceiving the framing to racists. There's nothing

632
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,119
wrong with him being up there. It makes completely sense,

633
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,480
for complete sense for him to be up there. And

634
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,519
he is not the first person to sing in another

635
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:58,039
language at the Super Bowl. So shut up, all of you.

636
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,319
That's all I have to say, honestly. And I hope

637
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,920
we wear something super hot. I know he'll probably wrap

638
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,279
himself in the Puerto Rican flag. Oh god, yeah, I'm

639
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,640
almost certain he'll probably do something extremely Puerto Rican in tone,

640
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,480
which I know.

641
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: That's yeah.

642
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,039
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take another break and then we're going

643
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,880
to come back and oh, miss Kiera Knightley much to

644
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,880
say about her. We'll be right back. We're back, and

645
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,759
now we're going to talk about Miss Kiera Knightley. I

646
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,359
just want to say one thing before we start. I

647
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,960
was watching women in The Woman in Cabin ten which

648
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,759
we're going to get to in a in a while.

649
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:36,079
And I really like her as an actress. She's incredibly

650
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,519
watchable as an actress, even in middling work. But I

651
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,119
especially like her latter work, where she has gotten away

652
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,440
from all those period pieces that she was doing earlier,

653
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:49,400
because she is so great at playing like stressed modern women.

654
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,880
It's she almost and she's one of those actresses who

655
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,079
in some ways seems to embody a certain class and

656
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,200
type of woman. So she's playing in the in The

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,200
Woman in Cabin tenant, she's playing this stressed out, you know,

658
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880
London reporter. And then in that the one she did

659
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
last year, Black Doves.

660
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Which I haven't watched twenty times.

661
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: No, dressed out London spot like. She's just good at

662
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,200
that stuff. So this week or no, actually a couple

663
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400
of weeks ago. Actually again we're a little stale with

664
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,240
this stuff. She was doing press for The Woman in

665
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,519
Cabin ten and at the end of an interview a

666
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,279
reporter asked, and I have to say, I really should

667
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,839
have shouted out the reporter because it was it was

668
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,799
well presented and well asked in a way that didn't

669
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,720
feel like a gotcha. It just felt like I need

670
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,000
to follow up on this, And she asked her, I

671
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,960
have one more question. You're doing? Who is she playing?

672
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,799
Do you know she's doing audio for one of the

673
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,279
Harry Potter audio adaptation it's.

674
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: A professor something I forget.

675
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Well, they're all professors. I mean she stop playing one

676
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,920
of the kids. It actually doesn't matter. She is in

677
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,960
and I doubt it's a small part. So she's doing

678
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:59,680
the audio versions, these audio adaptations of Harry Potter. And

679
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,759
someone was asked ask her, this reporter as her, well,

680
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,200
what do you say about the people who have problems

681
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,319
with you know, people who are working on JK rowling stuff?

682
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,599
And again, if you don't know this, can't imagine if

683
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,240
you're listening to us that you don't know this. But

684
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,920
if you don't know this, Harry Potter author JK. Rowling

685
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,079
is a billionaire who has spent the last decade using

686
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:26,079
her enormous wealth to attack trans people and to get

687
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:32,480
laws overturned in England and so essentially, and she has

688
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,920
been very open that she will continue to use any

689
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,960
money she makes on this cause, to which she is deeply,

690
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:43,000
deeply devoted. She sees it as feminism because she feels

691
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,319
that she is protecting women from the curse of transgenderism

692
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,839
and that she's protecting them from all this horrible transgender

693
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,599
rapists which only exist in her fucking mind.

694
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that mean, just say one more thing about her,

695
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,640
because I can't even say her name. It started with

696
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,880
her very like life Lee pointing out the issue with

697
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,640
trans people like, oh, I know, I think they asking questions. Yeah,

698
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,279
I'm just asking questions. I truly believe they have the

699
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,160
right to exist. I'm just ques gone at this point,

700
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,119
that is all gone now. It's all full own hatred

701
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,720
towards trans people. You do not deserve to.

702
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,839
Speaker 1: Like every freaking billionaire, with the exception of Taylor Swift,

703
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,200
she has had her mind poisoned by social media. Yeah,

704
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,000
and they get on social media and they have all

705
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,200
this money and they think the entire world is supposed

706
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,799
to bowl down to them. And you get on social

707
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,119
media and people are it's it's an open square. People

708
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,880
can say anything they want to you, and people are

709
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,079
feral on social media.

710
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: She's kind of quiet now about it, but she kind

711
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,079
of she tries.

712
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,599
Speaker 1: She's got project, but she tried. No. I mean, you know,

713
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,839
the woman Rowling. She's got projects. They're doing an adaptation

714
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,079
of HBO.

715
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: She's kind of quiet. Now what I mean by that

716
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,759
is that she kind of tried to expand her hatred

717
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,440
towards more queer people.

718
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

719
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,519
Speaker 2: And then you know she dialed it back, She doubted

720
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,680
back a little bit because she was ready to expand she's.

721
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,519
Speaker 1: Nothing for her next opening. She has not been chasened

722
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,320
on this. In fact, there's no reason for her to

723
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,320
feel chasened on this, because Harry Potter fandom snaps up

724
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,920
anything the video games, you know, any sort of adaptation.

725
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,039
Speaker 2: I see that all the time. I see people going

726
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:27,079
to all these things, you know, Harry Potter everywhere in Europe, here, everywhere,

727
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,400
and they go because they read the books. They're fans

728
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,039
and you know, and they feel like they can separate both.

729
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Well, this is not a case of separating the art

730
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,000
from the artists, because the artist is using the money

731
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:41,039
you pay her exactly to hurt people, to destroy lives.

732
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:46,239
This isn't hypothetical, This is all documented. She has made

733
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,679
it very very clear that this is what she is

734
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,400
using her money for, and she has already made inroads

735
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,320
into getting laws changed in England. And if she is

736
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,079
successful in that, more billionaires are going to start throwing

737
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,320
their money into this, which we have seen them do

738
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,719
just to destroy the lives of queer people and Latin

739
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,800
American people and black people. This is all part of

740
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,239
the same continuum of a bunch of billionaires deciding to

741
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,760
take on the divine right of kings. And I'm sorry,

742
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,519
but the only I think we're only going to break

743
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:25,360
this the same way we broke the divine right of kings.

744
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,079
And that's the most revolutionary thing I'm going to say

745
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:36,280
on this podcast anyway. So kier Knightley's response was she

746
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840
clearly was caught off guard and she didn't have a

747
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,519
good response. And oh, Carrie, here's a little bit of advice.

748
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,000
There is no good response. You could have workshopped this

749
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,480
to death, and there is no good way of saying, yes,

750
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:51,480
I am taking money from a known transphobia transphobe, and

751
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960
this money that will be made off my work is

752
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,199
going to be used to destroy people's There is no

753
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,679
answer to that. So instead she gave this efensively boilerplate response,

754
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,760
which was I believe we all have to learn to

755
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,760
live together. And I'm going to say it well, bitch,

756
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,159
you are working for someone who is ensuring that we

757
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,880
can't live together. This isn't about a difference of opinion.

758
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,320
It's not like people are saying, how can you work

759
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,360
with someone who feels this way? It's how can you

760
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,039
work for someone who is doing the things that she's doing.

761
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,960
It's not about learning to live together. It's about not

762
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,800
you not doing work that causes harm to other people.

763
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. First of all, she was very dismissive.

764
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,360
You have to watch the vdo to understand, and you

765
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,039
can say, well, you know, British people tend to be

766
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,719
a little sarcastic and you know, some weird humor about things,

767
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,440
and maybe that's what came across.

768
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she's she's an international stick.

769
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,599
Speaker 2: She says, I'm very sorry, and this is the point

770
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:53,239
that we're all going to have to figure out how

771
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,800
to live together, aren't we. Well, yeah, and do you

772
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,079
think that woman is trying to figure out how to

773
00:36:58,159 --> 00:36:59,599
live together with other people? She's not.

774
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,119
Speaker 1: That's the point. Trans people are being driven out of

775
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,039
their homes and communities. They are being denied medical care,

776
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,280
they are being denied uh, you know, their hormones and

777
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,039
that sort of thing. Everything you claim and JK Rowling

778
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,400
is getting that done. She's using her money to get

779
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,119
that done. And if you don't think she's doing it

780
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,760
in America, you're very naive.

781
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she keeps going. And we've all got very

782
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,000
different opinions. Again, this is not about opinions. So I

783
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,119
hope that we can all find respect. Do you think

784
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:30,199
she's no, And do you think she's respecting the trans community.

785
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,320
She's not. So this was all wrong. And you know,

786
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
people were making the point on TikTok saying, you know,

787
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,039
we need to we need to stop, uh, you know,

788
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,280
harassing these people. They they need to you know, they

789
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,800
they're allowed to make their choices of work or you know.

790
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,199
Speaker 1: They are not allowed to have those choices go unquestioned

791
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:51,800
by the public.

792
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,119
Speaker 2: And you know, I and I honestly feel like I'm

793
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,000
disappointed because I think I think I love her work.

794
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,039
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of British stars. I'm disappointed care

795
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:02,519
and Nightley.

796
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:07,119
Speaker 2: I really like her. I think she's great, you know,

797
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,639
very talented. I find it very intelligent. I do.

798
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: And then there's the whole we should point out that

799
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,039
there was an entire HBO adaptation right that, I don't

800
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,800
know if you hear the phones ring, there's an entire

801
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,400
HBO adaptation that's being worked on right now with an

802
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,159
enormous cast, a very well known British actors, all of

803
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:28,840
whom I have lost respect for because they all gave

804
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840
the same sort of boiler plate Well, I don't know

805
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,280
anything about it, which is bullshit. If you're in England,

806
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:35,480
there's no way you don't know who JK. Rowling is

807
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,760
and what she's done. There's no way.

808
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: That's the thing. You can't claim that you don't know

809
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:43,039
what's going on. I mean, everybody knows what's going on.

810
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: Come on, and you took the money. You wanted the money,

811
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,400
and you're.

812
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: Telling me that your publicist of somebody said, well, here's

813
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,440
an offer, but let's talk about it before you make

814
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,639
a decision. Right, You don't have that person.

815
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: You figured you could write it out, or you figured

816
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,079
that the fandom was big enough that it wouldn't matter,

817
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:00,760
and you know what, you might be right.

818
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 2: Again. I mean, and I can understand if you are you.

819
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,880
I can sort of understand if you're an up and

820
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,800
coming actor who is taken this opportunity to you know,

821
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
start your career and you don't want to think about

822
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,119
these things. But you are a well established actor.

823
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost, well not, it's not true, but a lot

824
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,599
of the casts of the adaptation on HBO are some

825
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,159
fairly well known, well established actors. Except for the kids,

826
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:27,519
of course.

827
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,199
Speaker 2: I don't think you need the money.

828
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,199
Speaker 1: And I just want to say it's well known that

829
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,320
part of the reason JK. Rowling pushed for this second

830
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,679
adaptation of her work is because all three of all

831
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,400
the kids that were in the first ones spoke out

832
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,920
against her transphobia, and she's not speaking to them anymore.

833
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,119
So she wants a nice, new, clean version, yes, where

834
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,840
everybody buys into her transphobia from the beginning, because no

835
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,840
one's going to speak out against it. Now they've all

836
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,239
accepted the checks from her. She has a nice, obedient

837
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,320
cast that will not speak out against her or try

838
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,079
and stop her from what she's doing. It is so

839
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,960
insidious and it's grotesque, and I almost feel bad that

840
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,679
we're going to segue into reviewing Karen Knightley's film. But

841
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,400
I struggle with this because I'm I'm not sure I

842
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,719
would agree that we're supposed to boycott all of these

843
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,960
actors work, because I honestly don't. I'm not sure that

844
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
would get through to them. I think the main thing

845
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,880
to do is to boycott anything having to do with Ralling.

846
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,800
If you boycott all of Karen Knightley's movies, well, then

847
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,199
she's just an unpopular actress. If you boycott this one thing, yes,

848
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,880
then it sends a message that this one thing is

849
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,559
a bad thing to do.

850
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: You have to go I mean, you can be disappointed

851
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,800
with her, against her, but you have to go against

852
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,000
the thing itself, right, you have to go against what's

853
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,760
causing the root.

854
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: It's not for me to tell people who they should

855
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,840
support and not support. I'm just saying that from my perspective. Yeah,

856
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,800
that they're going to do another season of that blacked

857
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,440
up show, and I loved it so much that I

858
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,840
will watch, Oh my god, I love this sh and

859
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,639
we're going to sit here and review her her new movie.

860
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440
And I'm not sure who else I didn't bother looking

861
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
up the entire cast of the HBO adaptation. I know

862
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,599
John Lithgow is in it, and he made some very

863
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,360
disappointing things. He said some very disappointing things. I know

864
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Nick Frost is in it and again, I'm probably not

865
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,800
going to boycott their entire uh you know, body of work.

866
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,519
I think it's more important to keep your boycott's focused

867
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,880
on anything JK. Rowling does. But that's not I mean,

868
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,280
that's what I'm doing. Do you want to talk about

869
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,360
do anything else to say about that?

870
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Or no? I do feel like I was going and

871
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,719
I was reading the list of all the actors who

872
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,639
are part of the audio project, and you know you

873
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,480
have Kit Harreton for example.

874
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: Right, I couldn't remember it.

875
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you could have gone. You can

876
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:50,960
make the argument that, well, they didn't go after him,

877
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,480
but I don't know.

878
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: He wasn't doing pressive.

879
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: He's not doing any interview yet. Maybe they'll they'll question

880
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,400
him later.

881
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure the next time he has a project, right,

882
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,840
they're going to all of these people are going to

883
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,960
have this question follow them, right, although I think a

884
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,440
lot of them are going to try and make sure

885
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,440
that journalists that it's struck like they won't do publicity

886
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,079
John's unless that question isn't asked, which you know that

887
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:12,679
could be just as bad happens.

888
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I just I just feel like that,

889
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:18,719
you know, her answer that she.

890
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: Didn't know what was going on, and that she she

891
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,000
really didn't expect it. I mean silly to me, very

892
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:23,800
very silly to me.

893
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean honestly, just say you don't want to

894
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,559
answer that question. You're not prepared to answer that question.

895
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,480
I mean, I think that's even that's more honest than this.

896
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: We all need to live together things, which is just offensive, is.

897
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Because it's just yeah, it's it's it's bullshit.

898
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,679
Speaker 1: All right, Lorenzo. Uh, it was his suggestion, he said,

899
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,760
why don't why don't we wrap this up by watching

900
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,679
The Woman in Cabin Intent He had already seen it.

901
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is that it's it's it's a book. Uh.

902
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:52,480
And I was actually very curious about it. I'm not

903
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:56,079
saying you don't know that it's a book, but uh anyway, Uh,

904
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,719
I just I was, first of all, I love her work,

905
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,599
and I was very curious to Uh, I was dying

906
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,280
to watch this movie. And then I was, you know, disappointed.

907
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,599
But go ahead. I'm sorry. It didn't mean to to

908
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,119
rupt to you.

909
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,119
Speaker 1: No, that's all right, I'm sorry, tabs, but it's right

910
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,000
in my tab hunter our cat is, but it's right

911
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,880
in our face. What was I gonna say, oh, so

912
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,599
Lorenzo said, well, you know, why didn't you watch this?

913
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,280
So I watched it last night, and I remember I

914
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,800
clicked on it on Netflix and I was like, oh,

915
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,559
an hour and thirty five minutes, that's that's a movie

916
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,480
after my own heart. This is gonna be great, I

917
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,599
because I just was only in the mood for something short, uncompact,

918
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:41,960
and it looked like a decent thriller. So we're going

919
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,039
to eventually spoil this. I I'm trying to start off

920
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,840
by saying, what I recommend this to someone, because I

921
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,840
think it's such a deeply flawed movie that I'm like,

922
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,599
on the other hand, there were it's a Netflix movie,

923
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,360
it's a folding laundry movie. Clearly by design, it is

924
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,880
a folding laundry movie.

925
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,079
Speaker 2: I was.

926
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I was just oh god, it was so many missed

927
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,960
opportunities with this.

928
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:04,679
Speaker 2: I thought it was very predictable.

929
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,079
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into that part yet, because

930
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,719
I want to talk about the twist. I'll just say

931
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,559
let me start off by saying this, it had everything

932
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,519
on paper that should have made it a great spectacular cast,

933
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,719
incredible locations. I mean, it looked beautiful. They were on

934
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,800
a yacht on a cruise, and they were literally on

935
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,199
a yacht on a cruise, so it was all these

936
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,519
breath taking locations and it was like a billionaire shot.

937
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:35,039
So it was gorgeous, unbelievable. Cast guy Piers, Hannah Wattingham,

938
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:41,280
a whole bunch of people were in it. And the

939
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,239
setup is great. The premise was great. It was a

940
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,639
bunch of wealthy people on a yacht and Kiera Knightley's

941
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,280
character thinks that someone went overboard, but no one can

942
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,280
but there's nobody missing on the boat, and she insists

943
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,119
that she saw a woman that nobody else saw on

944
00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:01,880
the boat. All of that great, I mean, spect specular setup.

945
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,519
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I'm all in for that

946
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,800
so much so that with the location and the cast

947
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,159
and the premise, you've got to kind of work to

948
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,599
screw that up. And I do think director Simon Stone

949
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,960
with Stone, it's very interesting to me because I was like, oh,

950
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,280
it's so short, that's great, it's gonna be really compact,

951
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:32,639
and then literally every character and the slightly convoluted setup

952
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,280
of the story was in place. I checked four minutes

953
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,880
into it. Four minutes into it, you find out that

954
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,840
Kiera Knightley is a London journalist who's traumatized by something

955
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,079
in her past and she needs a break, and she's

956
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,000
invited on this cruise ship which is nothing but millionaires

957
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,960
because the owner of it's not cruise ship, yacht because

958
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,360
the owner of the yacht's wife is dying of cancer.

959
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:58,400
And this is some sort of fundraiser. I don't even

960
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,440
know what that is. And Kiera Knightley and her ex

961
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,320
boyfriend who she hasn't seen in months, have both been

962
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,639
who was a photographer photo journalist, have both been invited

963
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,840
onto this boat to document this moment. All of that

964
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:19,599
and every single character, every millionaire on the boat were

965
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:23,920
all introduced by minute four. That is ridiculous. That is

966
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,559
like ridiculous. I do love when a film doesn't take

967
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,880
too long to set things up, And in the beginning

968
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,280
of the film, I was like, well, this is kind

969
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,079
of brisk, and then I'm like spending the rest of

970
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,320
the movie trying to figure out what everybody's names are

971
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,480
and what the point of all this was. It had

972
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,599
real heft to it. There was a real sense of

973
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,119
menace to it, being stuck on a ship with nothing

974
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,159
but super powerful people who all seem to have it

975
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,840
out for you, because that was Kiera Knightley's perspective. That

976
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:05,280
is great tension, great love it, but things moved too quickly.

977
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,480
I'm not going to reveal what the twist was just yet,

978
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,679
but I was surprised at where the twist came, which

979
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,679
was roughly at the halfway mark of the film.

980
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: Right, But then it got really weird, like towards Dan,

981
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:16,599
and then.

982
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: The setup completely collapses. It just collapses. So I can't

983
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,519
talk further until I get into more specifics. So why

984
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,280
don't you talk a little bit about the general stuff

985
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,760
before we get into the twist and the ending, because

986
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,119
I'm assuming some of you if you don't want to, no, no, no,

987
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,000
I mean what did you think of the Castle's say?

988
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,559
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I I enjoyed it because I

989
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:39,719
I we posted on our site and I couldn't wait

990
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,320
to watch it, and because as you said, it looked beautiful,

991
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,440
very stylish, great cast and and kind of interesting story.

992
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,039
Reminded me a lot of of I know Erkley, Poor Roe,

993
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,920
and you know, and and it I got to Chris

994
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,360
that whole thing exactly know who's done it type of thing.

995
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,280
But it then it fell apard because certain things didn't

996
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,880
make sense.

997
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: And you know why, he could have made one choice

998
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,199
as a director that would have had the whole entire

999
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,000
movie make sense. And I'll get to that because it

1000
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:09,880
reveals the twist, the one thing.

1001
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, And I also agree that everybody else didn't

1002
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,440
have much to do or say. I mean, they're just

1003
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:15,719
hanging around the boat.

1004
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,639
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have Nanna Wattingham and I know

1005
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,320
or and google Google about the raw was she had

1006
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,960
like two lines in the whole thing. She wasn't on

1007
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,880
the boat, she was Kira's editor. I do want to

1008
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,480
address that point, especially with you bringing up Agatha Christie.

1009
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:33,920
If you're doing a story like this, like literally every

1010
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,960
person on the boat was just unpleasant the second you

1011
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,119
met them, and that's that's makes sense. They're all wealthy

1012
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,840
millionaires and she wasn't, so of course they're going to

1013
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,159
be snotty to her. But Agatha Christie knew something when

1014
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,000
she would get a group of very wealthy, privileged people together,

1015
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,800
very unlikable people together, is that you need to make

1016
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,360
them entertaining to watch and read. Event right, they have

1017
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,400
to be fun, bitchy people or so bizarrely whatever they

1018
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,079
have to be captivating. Everyone of them was a cliche.

1019
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,920
None of them had more than five lines. I mean,

1020
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,960
they were just and they were just sour, nasty, wealthy people.

1021
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,119
No other I'm not asking to sympathetic portrayal, and there was.

1022
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:15,159
Speaker 2: No black and white perspective. They all started hating.

1023
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,199
Speaker 1: Her immediately immediately, and it wasn't because they were all

1024
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,400
in on something. It was just assholes. Yeah, she was.

1025
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: Just you know, distracting them or or annoying them or whatever.

1026
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,280
But it's just so weird. Nobody questioned her or really,

1027
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,000
I mean, they just got annoyed with her because she

1028
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:32,559
was you know.

1029
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the pacing on this was just bizarre, and

1030
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:38,880
I mean one thing you really have to get right

1031
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,159
with a thriller is the pacing. You have to ratchet

1032
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,400
up that tension. And when they revealed the twist halfway

1033
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,559
through it, I was like, I'm you lost a lot

1034
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,400
of tension with that, So let me you know, this

1035
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,440
is the end of the podcast, so if you don't

1036
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,159
want to hear that, you can just love you mean

1037
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:58,920
it by bye. But we're spoilers now. Okay, So all

1038
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,280
through the first half of them thing, I was like,

1039
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,920
why is everybody being shot from so far away? All

1040
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,079
the characters were in long or midshot. There wasn't a

1041
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,599
single close up except for Kieran Knightley's face and her

1042
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,159
boyfriend's face. And see, that's the kind of thing I know.

1043
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,519
And the light one was very dim on this yacht,

1044
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,880
and I I was kind of and it felt like

1045
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,000
a stylistic choice because it was so consistent, and I

1046
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,440
kept trying to unpack it, and I was like, why

1047
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,400
did everyone so far away? Why is he doing this?

1048
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,159
And then the twist came before I mention it. Did

1049
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:30,599
you did you figure it out?

1050
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: No?

1051
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to give him credit. The reason he

1052
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,239
shot her from so far that was the reason he

1053
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,239
shot everybody from so far away is because halfway through

1054
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,320
the story spoiler, the wife who's dying of cancer gets

1055
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,960
thrown overboard and someone else is brought into impersonator. And

1056
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
that was shocking to me.

1057
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: I did yeah, I did not. I didn't see.

1058
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: And I listen. It's hard to fall. I'm not the brag.

1059
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,880
It's hard to fool me with stuff like that, very hard.

1060
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,840
And like I said, I was right on the birds

1061
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,119
of because I did notice the second time she spoke

1062
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,559
to the wife. She made up comment about being on medication,

1063
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,119
and in the previous discussion, the wife had said she

1064
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:14,559
had stopped all medication. So I was like, oh, whatever

1065
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,599
this is. She can't keep her story talked about.

1066
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:18,519
Speaker 2: She couldn't remember that they had a meeting that she

1067
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:19,599
had said, I couldn't.

1068
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,639
Speaker 1: Remember the lyrics to some song, and I was like,

1069
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,679
I don't know, she can't keep her story straight. But

1070
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,679
I didn't think it was a completely different woman, and

1071
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,000
it was. It was a completely different actress, and that's

1072
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,000
why everything was shot far away, And I was like, okay, clever, yes,

1073
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,360
But then that reveal is revealed at the halfway mark,

1074
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,920
only to care a Knightley. Nobody else knows it, and

1075
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,119
then I'm stuck with half of the film going. I'm sorry.

1076
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,880
I mean, that works if you keep her far away

1077
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,719
and in the dark, but all these people are sitting around

1078
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,039
the table and this is supposedly one of their oldest friends, right,

1079
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,039
And while the two actresses did have a remarkable resemblance,

1080
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,119
I'm sorry, that's not it. I mean, you're getting into

1081
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,920
Clark Kent himself with glasses, and that might work for Superman,

1082
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,440
but a thriller like this where the entire story hinges

1083
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,000
on nobody noticing. Nobody noticed that it was two different women.

1084
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,159
In fact, the only person that figured it out was

1085
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,559
Kiera Knightley, who had never met either of these women before,

1086
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,559
but everybody else on the boat had been friends with

1087
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:22,239
her for decades. Completely utterly falls apart. And it's a

1088
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,679
real shame. And I said, all he had to do, really,

1089
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,360
all he had to do cast the same actress. It's classic.

1090
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,280
It's classic thriller. Doubles story, is you just cast the

1091
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,159
same actress. Yes, you have to buy into that there

1092
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,760
are two people who are completely identical, but that's what

1093
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,320
the story hinges on. So yeah, that's the buy in.

1094
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,760
Like I said, the two actresses, I'd look them both up.

1095
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,159
They actually don't look all that much. I mean they're similar,

1096
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,519
very similar bone structure, but they were made up to

1097
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,400
look alike. They both had their heads shaved and that helped.

1098
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,400
But no, that story falls apart. Everyone's like sitting right

1099
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,800
next to her, people who have known her for twenty

1100
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960
years or whatever, and they can't tell that it's a

1101
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,760
different woman.

1102
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: Right, And once they hit are off the boat, then

1103
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,440
forget it. That the whole thing it's gorgeous.

1104
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,519
Speaker 1: They go to Norway to this incredible location to have

1105
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:18,400
a gala dinner and absolutely stunning. This is when I

1106
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,920
was like, oh my god, this is all so wasted.

1107
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,800
Amazing cast, fun set up, stunning. Look, this could have

1108
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,239
been a killer thriller.

1109
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. People were saying that it's

1110
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,639
much better. The book is much better, of course they

1111
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:30,760
always say this, but maybe it is maybe something.

1112
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: But you don't have that issue of two different people

1113
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,880
playing you know. Yeah, that immediately removes you from the story.

1114
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it couldn't be translated, you know into I don't know.

1115
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: And then it gets to this thing with Guy Pears

1116
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,920
holding a knife to the fake wife's throat in front

1117
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,880
of entire like one hundred people. Okay, what's the end

1118
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,679
game here? This is dumb. I know, we got into

1119
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,360
stupid shit.

1120
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: Now, it was stupid towards the end of the last

1121
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,719
twenty minute, Yeah, with the knife and the whole thing. Yeah,

1122
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,239
it was just so ridiculous.

1123
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: Care nightly, incredibly watchable, perfectly perfect in this. I mean,

1124
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,199
that's that's the role she's born to me to do.

1125
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,039
Guy Piers is always going to be the perfect sleazy

1126
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:09,159
husband he's great at that. In fact, he's so good

1127
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,320
at it that literally from the start, you're like, well,

1128
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,519
whatever's going on, he's behind it, right, even though he

1129
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:15,639
was very charming.

1130
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:22,119
Speaker 2: Potential, Like I said, maybe the book is better, great cast,

1131
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,719
but it just didn't have enough.

1132
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: It didn't pull together and that that twist does not

1133
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,280
work at all. But if you haven't seen it and

1134
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,360
you're folding laundry or something like that, or you're you're like,

1135
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,159
that's what I do, sick on the counts, full of medication,

1136
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,599
it would probably be great for you. Like I said,

1137
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,440
it's her, it's that location, it's that cast. It's not unwatchable,

1138
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,320
but if you think about it, it's it's just dumb.

1139
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,199
It's just dumb. And the pacing on it is extremely

1140
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,199
extremely weird.

1141
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah pretty, but yeah empty.

1142
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,079
Speaker 1: I think part of that is that weird pacing is

1143
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,360
because he needed to keep you from figuring it out

1144
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,639
or something. And again, to his credit, Simon Stone, I

1145
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,400
did not. I was actually shocked. But it doesn't hold

1146
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,119
up at all because there are.

1147
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,639
Speaker 2: So many things. The boyfriend, you know, the boyfriend telling

1148
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,920
everyone what she told him, and.

1149
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I was like, throw that guy overboard? What is going

1150
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,679
on there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean she was a woman

1151
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:20,480
in peril, but a lot of it was down to

1152
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:27,079
everyone around her being stupid. Anyway, I think that's it.

1153
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,159
I think we've covered everything that we wanted to cover

1154
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:30,519
this week.

1155
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

1156
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. We'll tell you a little

1157
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,199
bit more about our upcoming Paris trip, and we'll have

1158
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,400
more ship to complain about, like we always do. Until then,

1159
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,239
I'll take care of yourself. Love you mean it.

1160
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:58,159
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye