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Don Al Dickson, Double D of the Daily Heralds have

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Speaker 2: Well. I'm in the bowels of the Delta Center, so

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I'm hoping you're hearing the Okay, but happy holidays, t

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you have been and happy Colony Sataki Week.

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Speaker 1: I guess right, Big Kilanie Satake Christmas Week, Ladies and gentlemen,

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It's the Kloni Satake Christmas for Cougar Nation. Your reaction

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to the news that Kilanie's been extended. He's going to

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be your head football coach, well, the Cougar Nation's head

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coach for the foreseeable future. I don't know for how long, right,

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is it ten years? Is it fifteen years? But I

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think it's going to be a long time, a long

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while before we see another head coach in Provo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I keep thinking about is how unique

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this situation is for BYU and and it's fans, and

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it's program because of the NIL, because of the transfer portal,

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because of all the money it's flowing. It's just it

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was an unusual situation and an unprecedented situation, and I

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think most BYU fans were like us in the media,

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going well, I mean he might go, he might go.

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And then he decided this day with the stipulations and

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the requests that he had for the administration to fulfill,

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to take care of his guys, his assistant coaches and staff,

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and to come up with more money for al this

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program wants to be competitive, they want to be successful,

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and they know what the path is to get there.

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And as I remarked, when by made that jump to

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the Big twelve, or at least announced they were making

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that jump back in twenty twenty one, it meant that

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the board of trustees was on board, like, yeah, let's

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do this, knowing that it was going to require a

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greater commitment. Well that commitment just increased this week. It's

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higher stakes now and higher requests. So it's just a

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really interesting time to be covering this program and to

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see what the Brethren are willing to do create a

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great football program and then want Kilani to be the

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one in charge of it. And I don't blame him,

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he's the right guy for the job.

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Speaker 1: Love that breakdown from Double D. Do you think the

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whole Cougar coaching staff. Family stays together this offseason, right,

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it seems like the focus was less on Killanne, I

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on the staff and the nil dollars that would be

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that everyone stays together and we're all one big, happy

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family into twenty twenty six.

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opportunity for somebody to maybe be a head coach. And

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if there's the out opportunity, that might be something that

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would you know, supersede their commitment to Byu and Kilane

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and getting an increase in salaries. Being your own boss,

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that's something that appeals to just about everybody, even you Ben.

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somebody in some direction, because this coaching carofel is still

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spinning and will continue to spin all throughout the month

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of December and coming into January. As teams that the

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trickle down effect happens. You know, somebody gets hired, that

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creates an opening to hire somebody else that creates an opening,

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and it might hit the YU and that their assistant

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coaches might somebody might get an opportunity to be a

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head coach somewhere, but not not leaving to be an

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assistant somewhere else. I don't think or a coordinator of

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that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be someone that wants to level

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up right and become a head coach of an institution,

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no doubt about it, Darnell. The signing class, Okay, the

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signing class is pretty impressive at top twenty class. You

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remember the twenty ten class, which was similarly ranked with

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Jake Heaps, et cetera. What makes this class different than

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the twenty ten class? Do you think.

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Speaker 2: What makes it unique here? Especial?

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Speaker 1: You mean, what makes it like? Okay, so what happened

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with that class? Did the class live up to it?

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Did the fast take it to like BYU was coming

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off of, like the momentum and I should have prefaced

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it with this six to nine double digit win seasons

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four years in a row since twenty twenty. Okay, BYU's

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had double digit win seasons four out of six years now,

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two back to back, and we're seeing kind of the

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same momentum occurring this go around. What's the difference between

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last time and this time?

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Speaker 2: Well, in my mind, the major difference is the transfer

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portal and nil. The opportunities for these guys to go

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elsewhere and make a lot of money is a big deal.

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they brughn in Jake Keatson that group, it was the

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promise of let's go in a championship, let's do something

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unique and special. That was all the by you had

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to offer and to add more to offer. I mean,

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obviously we know being a member of the Church of

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Jesus Christ colatterday Saint probably brings guy. I don't feel

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like they are obligated or want to have that experience.

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and opportunities to make more money, be what you can

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offer all of those things, and so I think this

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group may be solved more solid from top to bottom

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than that class was maybe a little top heavy. And

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because of the fact that coaches like to go out

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into the transfer portal and bring players in, I think

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that it's making a little more select for those high

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school kids to get to the next level. And if

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you are selected to come to a Division I school,

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a power conference school, then you're I think pretty good

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and ready to go and understand what needs to happen

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for you to be successful. So those are some things

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a little stronger. And these are the elite of the

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elite because of that transfer portal iss I.

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Speaker 1: Got to get your perspective on this because I think

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you could you can provide some truth and knowledge in

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this regard. So, okay, So this is a monumental thing

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that just occurred with Kilani, the momentum, with the recruiting,

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but it also comes with some questions for many. I

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call them the builders of the Kingdom. Right, these are

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the people that it's all about the faith. It's the religion.

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All this temporal stuff, it doesn't matter, you know what.

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It definitely not sport. Right, music is different, Right Music,

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Academic academic efforts and scientific endeavors, medicinal efforts, those are

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all different than athletic talents being utilized or being invested

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in or being highlighted. Right, many builders of the king

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that they look at this and like, why are we

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investing in athletic Why are we spending so much filthy

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luke or on this idolatrous sport? How dare they? Why

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would the Border trust these approve anything of the sort.

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The report's coming out that Kilani's making nine million, Kevin

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Young four point three to five million, nil offerings of

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ten to fifteen million plus rev share from TV and

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look the t the athletic department eats what it kills,

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it's self sustaining. There are no ties, no offerings given

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unto the Athletic Department that is continually re emphasized that

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this is this is the hobby of alum and fans

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everywhere to kind of buoy it up and to aid

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and support it because we're passionate about these athletic talents.

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But I feel like, you know, you can give some insights,

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like where's the balance is this? Is this going to set?

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Is this going to bifurcate more of like the traditional

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maybe BYU fan top dude, good to see you. Hey,

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wait right here, you come up, come here. I want

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you to get on the on the line with me, sir.

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We got a bau fans showing up here. Get on

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a headset here. I wanted to get your perspective on this,

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because I feel like, you know these people, these are

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some of your people, Darnell, you know the nil transfer

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portal world. You don't like it. You don't like all this,

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the filthy luker that's being thrown. It's ruining the sport,

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the altruistic nature. And maybe we need to focus on

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the things that really matter and have balance in all things.

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Give me your thoughts on all the things that I

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just mumbled and jumbled together.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that comes to mind is

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is there are probably I would I would estimate that

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in years past, the board of Tristes would not have

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approved this kind of a move. I think that maybe

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those guys have evolved just a little bit into you know,

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what the current situation is, which is good to know

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that there's opportunities for them to kind of examine what

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it means and how it influences members of the church

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and the university, and if they see the benefits. And

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I think they're logical human beings as well as spiritual,

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so they see the benefits to the university and to

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the church to be successful in athletics and to be excellent,

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and that doesn't mean winning a national championship. Per se.

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It means competing at the highest level and having success

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and showcasing what the way you do things to the world.

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And I feel like that's probably why we're in a

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situation we're in now where the Ward of Trustees is saying, yes,

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let's invest more, let's keep going. This is working. It's

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not just working on the field, is working off the field,

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and I think I have to for them to understand

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and to believe that this is the right move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an interesting dynamic, right, Like what's your

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personal opinion on it? Are you do you feel do

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you feel like BYU Athletics and ba's institution the border

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of trust there are they moving in the right direction

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as it pertains to this. I mean, your a member

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of the faith, you attended by you you're you're a

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sports writer and columnist and you've been covering sports for

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a long time. Off it's something you're passionate about keep

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your independent journalistic integrity obviously, but you have a good

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perch and a good evaluation of all of this. I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it. You know, there was always

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the feeling that be why you can't be successful at

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that level because they won't do what other teams are doing,

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which at the time was against the rules. You couldn't

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pay players, you couldn't go out and influence players to

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come to your school from another school. There wasn't the

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avenues or the processes for that to happen, and it

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was against the rules. So be why you didn't. Now

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it's not against the rules, and be where you're showing

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we can play this way. If we invest in this

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this program and these programs in our athletic department, we

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can be very successful because of how we are and

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the kind of kind of people we are and how

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we do things. And so I don't think it's a

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bad thing. I think it obviously has the influence and

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be negative way on some people. And I know there

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are BYU fans who kind of thrown up their hands like, look,

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being BYU fan. They're asking more of YU fans. They

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want they want to be paying more for tickets and

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and they wanted to be supporters in a more, you know,

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more financial way than they've done in the past. And

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some people have thrown up their hands and said Nope,

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this is where we get off, and so other fans

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are willing to step in. As long as that's the case,

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then it will keep moving forward. And as long as

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be what you continues to try to do it the

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right way, which they will mean they won't make mistakes.

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color them in a bad light, but they're prepared for

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those to be. You know, those who oppose what they're

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trying to do to be negative with them. But at

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this point I see BYU just all they're doing is

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trying to be the best version of themselves that they

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can be within the rules, and there's nothing wrong with it.

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why you can do with the kind of access I

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really do is.

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Speaker 1: That why they're stiff arming them from this college football

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playoff access. They're putting them at eleven. They will not

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move them from eleven. They won't move them up, they

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won't move them down. They're like, yeah, it's a nice

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little program. Those Mormon boys. You know, they're mature. They

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got a lot of money down there in Provo, but hey,

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they ain't getting into our college football playoff cupball club. No,

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way no.

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Speaker 2: How I was just talking to Chad Lewis for a

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story I'm working on, and he said, just remarkable to him,

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how the discussions today are very similar to what they

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were when he was playing in the mid nineteen nineties

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and b why he was trying to break through into

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the Bowl Alliance. It was the same thing happening, and

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here we are, you know, twenty years thirty years later,

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and it's the same discussions about me, why you're not

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receiving They're just due And you know, we heard the

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yes man announcers say, well, they simply have to go

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beat Texas Tech in the A Big twelve Championship game

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and them will be in. Well that's not an easy task,

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but if that's the route they're given by he's going

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to do everything they can to get there and to

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do that and once they start breaking through, I don't

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think there's any stopping them. And that's why I say

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that the college sports isn't ready for what BYU can do.

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willing to put in the effort to continue to grow

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by signing up Kilani for this long term contract and

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giving him what he wants. Guys are limit with this

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program in a lot of different ways, not just football poll.

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Speaker 1: Of the day. I just thought of this is inspirational.

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I think, which group of people want to see the

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complete destruction and removal of athletics within BYU and the

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Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter of the Saints as

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the sponsoring institution of by Is it a Utah fans

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because they're losing, They've lost three in a row, they're

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losing recruits. There could be flips here momentarily, they're losing

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in nil they're losing. They're just losing, right, and they're like, ah, man,

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now b YU is going to become the USC and

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we're going to become the UCLA of the Big twelve

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like the former Pact of anyway. All right, So that's

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number one. A Number two the nerds, the kingdom builders

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that hate sport and the idolatrous nature of athletics at

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BYU as B like you know, they're they're academics, they

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are seekers of truth of science, academic and theology. But

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they hate modern day gladiatorial worship. They hate it. They

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want to see it completely done away with because sports

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do not build up the Kingdom. There's no talents that

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God has given unto man athletically that we should have

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any money allocated to period or number three, the college

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football cabal, the oligopoly that doesn't want anything to do

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especially higher academia. Right, you're talking about these big time brands. Uh,

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universities not all that conservative by data, you know, data

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shows not all that conservative. Okay, very left leaning player

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And I'm a centrist. I'm a pragmatist. I'm a realist. Okay.

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I just see the riding on the wall, like they

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don't like me. BYU was stiff on forever right. Bigotry

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religious uh uh uh, you know, religious bigotry, et cetera.

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Like who not lit We like eighties love BYU. University

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presidents do not want anything to do with BYU. Right,

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is it that group that just wants to see b

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YU go away? A B or C. What do you

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got for me?

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Speaker 3: Dar?

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Speaker 1: Now, I know it's a philosophical question. This is a

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tough one. This is maybe my best poll of the day.

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I'm gonna give myself credit here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with with a combination of B

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you can go d all the above. If

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you want to.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I want to go. I want to go

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B and C. And here's why. Okay, okay, okay, okay,

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so C, those people may take college sports in the

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direction BYU can't follow. I don't know. I mean, I

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never thought we'd be in a situation where we are now,

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where the players are getting paid and there's money coming

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from all different areas, and the transfer portal is a

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wide open thing. I mean, I had to laugh when

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people were talking about the NCAA by just signed for

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basketball a G League player to come play for them

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next year. And I'm thinking this is the same group

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that five years ago suspended Julie Chiles for nine games

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for filling out improper paperwork. I never thought we'd be

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in this spot. So I'm saying the C group could

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take college sports in the direction where BYU goes. We

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can't do that. It's not ethical, it just doesn't seem right.

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it is an academic institution. So that's my answer to

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your question. And I can't predict anything, but that's what

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I would say would lead me to believe that those

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two groups combined might be able to pull something off

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in the future or B why you says we just

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can't do that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. There's another constituency that

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I did not bring up, but sometimes it does fold

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into I would say maybe the first group, and that

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is the x MOS and anti MOS the and they're like,

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at everything. B YU and the church. You know, anything

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that they do wrong, right, they're going to point in

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and say, hey, like, yeah, see you're not living up

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to your standard. You know, you're not living up to

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the standard that you set for yourselves. You guys are fraudulent.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They just want to see burned down, just all burned down, right.

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Speaker 2: And then I can I can think of another groups

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they kind of silence.

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Speaker 1: You have.

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Speaker 2: A group is the special interest groups that were so

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opposed to be why you joined the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: The Iowa State Special Interest Group, the LG group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a group that that had a

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really big influence. I think the first time be why

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you came up for it at least the last year,

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and then the UYU managed to lacate those feelings and

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move on through and and so there's another there's a

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lot a lot of luck. Why you would you look

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at it that way?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this. I had a deep conversation with

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someone who I love and appreciate and trust. I said,

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look like, okay, what what has been the what's the

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biggest issue? Maybe that, uh, the biggest problem, the biggest bottleneck,

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the biggest impediment for maybe growth and that that that

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that that the church that you describes the Letter of

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Saints faces in this modern era or forever since the

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it's inception. What what has been the biggest issue maybe

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for even more rapid growth? And uh uh, you know,

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the the expanse of no one hallowed hand will stop

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the work of progress. What's what's stopping the work from

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from progressing? In your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Darnell, Oh, I thought you were talking about your friend

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you were talking to? Was answer? And you want me

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to answer that?

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Speaker 1: Well? No, I mean, I like, yeah, I know, I'm sorry.

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I asked a question I was pondering, and I was

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gonna say I was discussing no and and it's rhetorical

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a little bit. But at the same time, I don't

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know what do you think, like, what what do you

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think about that?

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Speaker 2: When here's what comes you know, here's what comes to

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mind is is we know the wheels at b YU

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sometimes move slowly. And I remember when b Y you

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replaced Dave Rose and it was what two weeks before

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we got Mark Pope signed and sealed, uh and in

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the press conference, and we were amazed at that, like

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how did that happen? When it has to go through

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all of these silos and it has to go through

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the brethren up in Salt Lake. You understood why there

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was a reason why it was slow anyway, and then

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this one they get it done in what a day

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and a half with Colin. Yeah, so maybe also the

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biggest impediment was was the machinations and the process.

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Speaker 1: Well as it was athletics one hundred percent. No, But

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I'm talking about like the general church. Like if I

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look at the marketing efforts of the church right where

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they've allocated bandwidth and and and support, like you know

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they've changed over the years, right, I remember to meet

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the Mormon's campaign. I'm a Mormon campaign, remember that, Like

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we're spending a lot of money to what to normalize,

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to humanize, to to have it, you know, kind of

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the tentacles reach out and say, hey, like we're just

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like everybody else. We're normal. We're not We're not a

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bunch of you know, overly religious, crazed zelots with multiple

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lives and and uh absurd theology that it doesn't make

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any sense, and you know what I mean, Like it's

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this normalization humanization element, and so like as I was

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having this discussion, I think that's the biggest thing, right,

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And and in my opinion, like from what I've seen

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how how the churches operate, they want to have more yeah,

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like tentacles out there far and wide of real human

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contact and anecdotes, because we're only as good as our anecdotes, right,

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We're only as good as our human experience. Right. There's

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seventeen million Mormons. Half of those don't even go to

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church anymore, they're not even affiliated with the church anymore.

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And then half of those, you know, seven eight million

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are are in the United States. America's for formulas, so

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as it pertains to the United States of America, you

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have four million active lds amongst three hundred and fifty

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million people. And so there's so many misconceptions about who

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Mormons and Latter day Saints are right, would you agree

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with that?

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Speaker 2: Sure? And maybe not as many as there used to be,

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but yeah, I think that that's there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it is there, right, And so

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like what I said was, okay, like you want as

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many human interactions as you can get with the platforms

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that you have. On one of those platforms, you know,

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it's the it's the the Tabernacle Choir, it's young ambassadors,

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it's it's missionaries going out and serving right and proselyting

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and all those things. A part of that's BAU athletics too,

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and then the alumni chapters that are serving in those

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communities and raising funds and raising foods of stuffs and

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and impact in the community, serving right and and and

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all those things and creating human connection in those communities

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and normalizing and humanizing uh, those members of the church

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by serving right like and we're seeing more of that,

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uh through this process. And then then so I think

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of that, and then I also think of what's the

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what's the most where is the most diverse place that

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exists within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

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What's the most diverse place on earth.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going, really don't.

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Speaker 1: I know. I'm going add a c follow me. It's

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it's the it's the b YU Athletic Department. Okay, that's

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the most diverse place. That's the most diverse place on earth,

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for for the Church of Christ latery Saints.

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Speaker 2: Right, divers diverse in the sense of what there are.

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Speaker 1: This city programs, ethnicity okay, uh, culture, languages like yeah, eldest,

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non eldest, Polynesian, Blacks, Latinos, right, like I And you

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bring all that together and it's extremely impactful. Aj Debonsa

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goes to church one week introduce.

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Speaker 2: Missionary prep class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like, like, how do you normalize the humanize?

476
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You bring other people that aren't of the faith to

477
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to b Yu and you let him experience the fruits

478
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of the faith and then they go out into the

479
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world and then they impact like, dude, you're wrong, You're right.

480
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People have Dave Portno it comes to Provo, Big New Kickoff,

481
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interacts with Claude. He's like, I love he danced his

482
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way into my heart. Is Dave PORTNOI the most morally like,

483
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superior spiritual man? No like, but like all of a

484
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sudden he becomes an advocate for BYU, maybe the faith

485
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and and and maybe we soften his heart to whatever

486
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it is that he thought about Latter day Saints in

487
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the first place. And b wait in the first play,

488
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and what type of impact could you have? I saw

489
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the self righteous rammy up to Mormons, weep whale and

490
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nash teeth. As Connor MacGregor showed up to BYU's Marriott

491
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Center for a basketball game, They're like, Wow, dare you

492
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He's an evil and horrific man. I'm like, man, did

493
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you not study the life of Jesus Christ and who

494
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he served, who he ministered to? Did you get did

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you miss that part of the of his life? Like

496
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like he was also criticized for hanging out with people

497
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that he shouldn't supposedly be hanging out with anyway. I

498
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know this is a rant, but like we're talking, you

499
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know the role of athletics, I guess within the church,

500
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within BYU. And I think when you take all of that,

501
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all those thoughts that I have together, like, okay, it

502
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makes sense if we're doing it the right way, even

503
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,960
though we're gonna fall short and the student athletes are

504
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gonna fall short. You're gonna have a Jake Ritchlof situation.

505
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You're gonna have a situation with maybe a Duy here there,

506
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like it happens like these are. We're in the fallen

507
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state and no one's gonna be perfect, and we're not

508
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going to live up to the standard that we set

509
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for ourselves. But it's all about the end goal and

510
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eternal perspective in and hopefully introducing more people to the

511
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fruits of the faith in my opinion, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Good fruits. I was just gonna say that ben is

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what does what does it produce? What does the athletic

514
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de farm produce? It produces good human beings they can

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to step out of the world. And yeah, and that's

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that's the goal. And if people see that, they can

517
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maybe accept the fact that we're different and and and

518
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just realize that we're just people trying to be good

519
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and trying to be the best version of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and then and think of all your favorite

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players that that play to b YU tied Emmer didn't

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come to b y U l d S. And I'm

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not saying, hey, you got to bring people in that

524
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aren't LDS and then baptize them and like chalking it up.

525
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But we got another one. We got another one. Yeah,

526
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you know what I mean. But it but it's offering.

527
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,200
It's kind of like what Gordon B. Hinkley said, like,

528
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take all your truth, take all your happiness, bring it

529
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here and let's see if we can add onto it

530
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,720
and maybe you'll like it. You know, you don't know

531
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,839
what you don't know to you know, Jamal Willis, Caylin Hall,

532
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Curtis Brown, my teammate, right Like, that's what I mean.

533
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,839
That's another is a huge component of it in my opinion.

534
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,839
So Darnell I was. I always learned something from you, man.

535
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Love talking to you.

536
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Speaker 2: Well. I feel I feel like I should be sitting

537
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next to you to kind of steel your aura as

538
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,000
you're discussing this so I can get a better grip

539
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:35,400
on it because I want.

540
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Speaker 1: To embrace you right now.

541
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Speaker 2: Hard, it's hard.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to embrace you, man, Love you, Appreciate you.

543
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I love talking Cougar beats with you. Darnell Dixon, Ladies

544
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and gener thanks so much.

545
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Speaker 2: Double d all right, we'll see you soon.

546
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a YU fan here. I want that

547
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,400
mic close up to your face. Can you hear me?

548
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,519
What I was saying here brother, uh, And we'll get

549
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,279
to a break here momentarily, but I want to give

550
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,319
a big Cougar roar to this awesome fan that just

551
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:04,039
stopped by Ken Harris dropping off some some goods here

552
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:09,119
to the road home. Appreciate you tuning in. Ken, tell

553
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us a little bit about yourself here as I bring

554
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,720
that mic up a little bit closer to you.

555
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no, I just listened to your show every day,

556
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,640
drive on the road quite a bit. I actually come

557
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,720
visit the Sky dealerships and do business with them, and

558
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oh you do. Yeah, they're a great group. So I

559
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,480
was on my way down to visit over at the

560
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Chrysler Jeep Dodge store there, and I was listening to

561
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,519
the radio. I'm like, I gotta stop and grab some

562
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,720
stuff and bring it in because I really enjoy I

563
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,720
could just sit here and listen to you.

564
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Speaker 1: It's fun, dude. I appreciate it.

565
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,839
Speaker 3: Thanks for letting me kicking the all above too.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and you're the one they said it.

567
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I was like, I'm kind of going through these random poles.

568
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,319
Sometimes I put them out right. Sometimes some of them

569
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are good, some of them are bad. Right, let's be honest,

570
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,480
but I think that's a good one because there are

571
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:49,720
a lot of people that just want to see it

572
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go away. And I'm like, wait, like it brings way

573
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,279
more good than and creates more positive fruits than it

574
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creates bad fruits.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking as we were sitting we all want

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to CP way, you get into the conference playoffs, right

577
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,559
right into the college playoffs. Yes, but we are also

578
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lots of missionaries out there. We're used to knocking on

579
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that door and them not respond. No.

580
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Speaker 1: I was sitting there thinking about that. So anyway, Hey,

581
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I really appreciate what you do. It's fun.

582
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Speaker 3: I heard uh, your guy on the other end.

583
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so val hell coming up next, But can't

584
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we salute you man, appreciate you, God blessed, thanks for

585
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,480
coming in and giving you back. And then hey, yeah

586
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,039
I got uh. I want to get your address so

587
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,200
I can send you some Royal Army brand too. Grab

588
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,000
a piece of pizza and then all text you and

589
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:33,799
then uh, okay, send me your address so I can

590
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920
drop some some swag on you. Cool. Appreciate my guy,

591
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Ken Harris. Ladies and gentlemen, shout out to him for

592
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stopping by. We'll go to break guys, uh please don't

593
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go anywhere. Want to remind you guys though, that we

594
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,359
have tickets that we want to give away to the

595
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,279
uh AN event at the Delta Center coming up here

596
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,640
shortly in December. Shout out to the Salt Lake City

597
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Slam doubleheader. It's at a Utah Valley University playing University

598
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,440
of cals and Barbara twelve pm and then Utah State

599
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,000
will face Illinois State University at three pm in salt

600
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,519
in the Salt Lake Slam at the Delta Center December thirteenth.

601
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,279
Listen to Bryce ba Nucci at eight twenty am throughout

602
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,039
the week for chance to win your tickets. That's right,

603
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,599
let's go to break. Don't go anywhere more to get

604
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:18,200
to This is Cougar Sports one of three nine ninety eight

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point three