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Don Al Dickson, Double D of the Daily Heralds have
double d.
Speaker 2: Well. I'm in the bowels of the Delta Center, so
I'm hoping you're hearing the Okay, but happy holidays, t
you have been and happy Colony Sataki Week.
Speaker 1: I guess right, Big Kilanie Satake Christmas Week, Ladies and gentlemen,
It's the Kloni Satake Christmas for Cougar Nation. Your reaction
to the news that Kilanie's been extended. He's going to
be your head football coach, well, the Cougar Nation's head
coach for the foreseeable future. I don't know for how long, right,
is it ten years? Is it fifteen years? But I
think it's going to be a long time, a long
while before we see another head coach in Provo.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I keep thinking about is how unique
this situation is for BYU and and it's fans, and
it's program because of the NIL, because of the transfer portal,
because of all the money it's flowing. It's just it
was an unusual situation and an unprecedented situation, and I
think most BYU fans were like us in the media,
going well, I mean he might go, he might go.
And then he decided this day with the stipulations and
the requests that he had for the administration to fulfill,
to take care of his guys, his assistant coaches and staff,
and to come up with more money for al this
program wants to be competitive, they want to be successful,
and they know what the path is to get there.
And as I remarked, when by made that jump to
the Big twelve, or at least announced they were making
that jump back in twenty twenty one, it meant that
the board of trustees was on board, like, yeah, let's
do this, knowing that it was going to require a
greater commitment. Well that commitment just increased this week. It's
higher stakes now and higher requests. So it's just a
really interesting time to be covering this program and to
see what the Brethren are willing to do create a
great football program and then want Kilani to be the
one in charge of it. And I don't blame him,
he's the right guy for the job.
Speaker 1: Love that breakdown from Double D. Do you think the
whole Cougar coaching staff. Family stays together this offseason, right,
it seems like the focus was less on Killanne, I
would say to a certain degree, right, and more so
on the staff and the nil dollars that would be
allocated to hopefully retain his coaching staff. Do you think
that everyone stays together and we're all one big, happy
family into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I would say probably, But there's always gonna be an
opportunity for somebody to maybe be a head coach. And
if there's the out opportunity, that might be something that
would you know, supersede their commitment to Byu and Kilane
and getting an increase in salaries. Being your own boss,
that's something that appeals to just about everybody, even you Ben.
You like being your own boss. That could definitely pull
somebody in some direction, because this coaching carofel is still
spinning and will continue to spin all throughout the month
of December and coming into January. As teams that the
trickle down effect happens. You know, somebody gets hired, that
creates an opening to hire somebody else that creates an opening,
and it might hit the YU and that their assistant
coaches might somebody might get an opportunity to be a
head coach somewhere, but not not leaving to be an
assistant somewhere else. I don't think or a coordinator of
that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be someone that wants to level
up right and become a head coach of an institution,
no doubt about it, Darnell. The signing class, Okay, the
signing class is pretty impressive at top twenty class. You
remember the twenty ten class, which was similarly ranked with
Jake Heaps, et cetera. What makes this class different than
the twenty ten class? Do you think.
Speaker 2: What makes it unique here? Especial?
Speaker 1: You mean, what makes it like? Okay, so what happened
with that class? Did the class live up to it?
Did the fast take it to like BYU was coming
off of, like the momentum and I should have prefaced
it with this six to nine double digit win seasons
four years in a row since twenty twenty. Okay, BYU's
had double digit win seasons four out of six years now,
two back to back, and we're seeing kind of the
same momentum occurring this go around. What's the difference between
last time and this time?
Speaker 2: Well, in my mind, the major difference is the transfer
portal and nil. The opportunities for these guys to go
elsewhere and make a lot of money is a big deal.
But they never had that opportunity at b YU. When
they brughn in Jake Keatson that group, it was the
promise of let's go in a championship, let's do something
unique and special. That was all the by you had
to offer and to add more to offer. I mean,
obviously we know being a member of the Church of
Jesus Christ colatterday Saint probably brings guy. I don't feel
like they are obligated or want to have that experience.
But now that there's fash involved, a lot of money
and opportunities to make more money, be what you can
offer all of those things, and so I think this
group may be solved more solid from top to bottom
than that class was maybe a little top heavy. And
because of the fact that coaches like to go out
into the transfer portal and bring players in, I think
that it's making a little more select for those high
school kids to get to the next level. And if
you are selected to come to a Division I school,
a power conference school, then you're I think pretty good
and ready to go and understand what needs to happen
for you to be successful. So those are some things
that I kind of see is a little bit different
at this point in time between those two classes that
I think it's a little more from top to bottom,
a little stronger. And these are the elite of the
elite because of that transfer portal iss I.
Speaker 1: Got to get your perspective on this because I think
you could you can provide some truth and knowledge in
this regard. So, okay, So this is a monumental thing
that just occurred with Kilani, the momentum, with the recruiting,
but it also comes with some questions for many. I
call them the builders of the Kingdom. Right, these are
the people that it's all about the faith. It's the religion.
All this temporal stuff, it doesn't matter, you know what.
It definitely not sport. Right, music is different, Right Music,
Academic academic efforts and scientific endeavors, medicinal efforts, those are
all different than athletic talents being utilized or being invested
in or being highlighted. Right, many builders of the king
that they look at this and like, why are we
investing in athletic Why are we spending so much filthy
luke or on this idolatrous sport? How dare they? Why
would the Border trust these approve anything of the sort.
The report's coming out that Kilani's making nine million, Kevin
Young four point three to five million, nil offerings of
ten to fifteen million plus rev share from TV and
look the t the athletic department eats what it kills,
it's self sustaining. There are no ties, no offerings given
unto the Athletic Department that is continually re emphasized that
this is this is the hobby of alum and fans
everywhere to kind of buoy it up and to aid
and support it because we're passionate about these athletic talents.
But I feel like, you know, you can give some insights,
like where's the balance is this? Is this going to set?
Is this going to bifurcate more of like the traditional
maybe BYU fan top dude, good to see you. Hey,
wait right here, you come up, come here. I want
you to get on the on the line with me, sir.
We got a bau fans showing up here. Get on
a headset here. I wanted to get your perspective on this,
because I feel like, you know these people, these are
some of your people, Darnell, you know the nil transfer
portal world. You don't like it. You don't like all this,
the filthy luker that's being thrown. It's ruining the sport,
the altruistic nature. And maybe we need to focus on
the things that really matter and have balance in all things.
Give me your thoughts on all the things that I
just mumbled and jumbled together.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that comes to mind is
is there are probably I would I would estimate that
in years past, the board of Tristes would not have
approved this kind of a move. I think that maybe
those guys have evolved just a little bit into you know,
what the current situation is, which is good to know
that there's opportunities for them to kind of examine what
it means and how it influences members of the church
and the university, and if they see the benefits. And
I think they're logical human beings as well as spiritual,
so they see the benefits to the university and to
the church to be successful in athletics and to be excellent,
and that doesn't mean winning a national championship. Per se.
It means competing at the highest level and having success
and showcasing what the way you do things to the world.
And I feel like that's probably why we're in a
situation we're in now where the Ward of Trustees is saying, yes,
let's invest more, let's keep going. This is working. It's
not just working on the field, is working off the field,
and I think I have to for them to understand
and to believe that this is the right move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an interesting dynamic, right, Like what's your
personal opinion on it? Are you do you feel do
you feel like BYU Athletics and ba's institution the border
of trust there are they moving in the right direction
as it pertains to this. I mean, your a member
of the faith, you attended by you you're you're a
sports writer and columnist and you've been covering sports for
a long time. Off it's something you're passionate about keep
your independent journalistic integrity obviously, but you have a good
perch and a good evaluation of all of this. I think.
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it. You know, there was always
the feeling that be why you can't be successful at
that level because they won't do what other teams are doing,
which at the time was against the rules. You couldn't
pay players, you couldn't go out and influence players to
come to your school from another school. There wasn't the
avenues or the processes for that to happen, and it
was against the rules. So be why you didn't. Now
it's not against the rules, and be where you're showing
we can play this way. If we invest in this
this program and these programs in our athletic department, we
can be very successful because of how we are and
the kind of kind of people we are and how
we do things. And so I don't think it's a
bad thing. I think it obviously has the influence and
be negative way on some people. And I know there
are BYU fans who kind of thrown up their hands like, look,
I don't I can't invest this much more money in
being BYU fan. They're asking more of YU fans. They
want they want to be paying more for tickets and
and they wanted to be supporters in a more, you know,
more financial way than they've done in the past. And
some people have thrown up their hands and said Nope,
this is where we get off, and so other fans
are willing to step in. As long as that's the case,
then it will keep moving forward. And as long as
be what you continues to try to do it the
right way, which they will mean they won't make mistakes.
We will see mistakes being made and and things make
color them in a bad light, but they're prepared for
those to be. You know, those who oppose what they're
trying to do to be negative with them. But at
this point I see BYU just all they're doing is
trying to be the best version of themselves that they
can be within the rules, and there's nothing wrong with it.
I think the college athletics are terrified of what b
why you can do with the kind of access I
really do is.
Speaker 1: That why they're stiff arming them from this college football
playoff access. They're putting them at eleven. They will not
move them from eleven. They won't move them up, they
won't move them down. They're like, yeah, it's a nice
little program. Those Mormon boys. You know, they're mature. They
got a lot of money down there in Provo, but hey,
they ain't getting into our college football playoff cupball club. No,
way no.
Speaker 2: How I was just talking to Chad Lewis for a
story I'm working on, and he said, just remarkable to him,
how the discussions today are very similar to what they
were when he was playing in the mid nineteen nineties
and b why he was trying to break through into
the Bowl Alliance. It was the same thing happening, and
here we are, you know, twenty years thirty years later,
and it's the same discussions about me, why you're not
receiving They're just due And you know, we heard the
yes man announcers say, well, they simply have to go
beat Texas Tech in the A Big twelve Championship game
and them will be in. Well that's not an easy task,
but if that's the route they're given by he's going
to do everything they can to get there and to
do that and once they start breaking through, I don't
think there's any stopping them. And that's why I say
that the college sports isn't ready for what BYU can do.
And if they continue to grow, and they've shown they're
willing to put in the effort to continue to grow
by signing up Kilani for this long term contract and
giving him what he wants. Guys are limit with this
program in a lot of different ways, not just football poll.
Speaker 1: Of the day. I just thought of this is inspirational.
I think, which group of people want to see the
complete destruction and removal of athletics within BYU and the
Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter of the Saints as
the sponsoring institution of by Is it a Utah fans
because they're losing, They've lost three in a row, they're
losing recruits. There could be flips here momentarily, they're losing
in nil they're losing. They're just losing, right, and they're like, ah, man,
now b YU is going to become the USC and
we're going to become the UCLA of the Big twelve
like the former Pact of anyway. All right, So that's
number one. A Number two the nerds, the kingdom builders
that hate sport and the idolatrous nature of athletics at
BYU as B like you know, they're they're academics, they
are seekers of truth of science, academic and theology. But
they hate modern day gladiatorial worship. They hate it. They
want to see it completely done away with because sports
do not build up the Kingdom. There's no talents that
God has given unto man athletically that we should have
any money allocated to period or number three, the college
football cabal, the oligopoly that doesn't want anything to do
especially higher academia. Right, you're talking about these big time brands. Uh,
universities not all that conservative by data, you know, data
shows not all that conservative. Okay, very left leaning player
And I'm a centrist. I'm a pragmatist. I'm a realist. Okay.
I just see the riding on the wall, like they
don't like me. BYU was stiff on forever right. Bigotry
religious uh uh uh, you know, religious bigotry, et cetera.
Like who not lit We like eighties love BYU. University
presidents do not want anything to do with BYU. Right,
is it that group that just wants to see b
YU go away? A B or C. What do you
got for me?
Speaker 3: Dar?
Speaker 1: Now, I know it's a philosophical question. This is a
tough one. This is maybe my best poll of the day.
I'm gonna give myself credit here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with with a combination of B
and C.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you can go d all the above. If
you want to.
Speaker 2: No, no, I want to go. I want to go
B and C. And here's why. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
so C, those people may take college sports in the
direction BYU can't follow. I don't know. I mean, I
never thought we'd be in a situation where we are now,
where the players are getting paid and there's money coming
from all different areas, and the transfer portal is a
wide open thing. I mean, I had to laugh when
people were talking about the NCAA by just signed for
basketball a G League player to come play for them
next year. And I'm thinking this is the same group
that five years ago suspended Julie Chiles for nine games
for filling out improper paperwork. I never thought we'd be
in this spot. So I'm saying the C group could
take college sports in the direction where BYU goes. We
can't do that. It's not ethical, it just doesn't seem right.
And that would be the group B that would say that,
And they have a lot of influence at BYU because
it is an academic institution. So that's my answer to
your question. And I can't predict anything, but that's what
I would say would lead me to believe that those
two groups combined might be able to pull something off
in the future or B why you says we just
can't do that.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. There's another constituency that
I did not bring up, but sometimes it does fold
into I would say maybe the first group, and that
is the x MOS and anti MOS the and they're like,
I just want to you know, see them just fail
at everything. B YU and the church. You know, anything
that they do wrong, right, they're going to point in
and say, hey, like, yeah, see you're not living up
to your standard. You know, you're not living up to
the standard that you set for yourselves. You guys are fraudulent.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They just want to see burned down, just all burned down, right.
Speaker 2: And then I can I can think of another groups
they kind of silence.
Speaker 1: You have.
Speaker 2: A group is the special interest groups that were so
opposed to be why you joined the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: The Iowa State Special Interest Group, the LG group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a group that that had a
really big influence. I think the first time be why
you came up for it at least the last year,
and then the UYU managed to lacate those feelings and
move on through and and so there's another there's a
lot a lot of luck. Why you would you look
at it that way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this. I had a deep conversation with
someone who I love and appreciate and trust. I said,
look like, okay, what what has been the what's the
biggest issue? Maybe that, uh, the biggest problem, the biggest bottleneck,
the biggest impediment for maybe growth and that that that
that that the church that you describes the Letter of
Saints faces in this modern era or forever since the
it's inception. What what has been the biggest issue maybe
for even more rapid growth? And uh uh, you know,
the the expanse of no one hallowed hand will stop
the work of progress. What's what's stopping the work from
from progressing? In your opinion?
Speaker 2: Darnell, Oh, I thought you were talking about your friend
you were talking to? Was answer? And you want me
to answer that?
Speaker 1: Well? No, I mean, I like, yeah, I know, I'm sorry.
I asked a question I was pondering, and I was
gonna say I was discussing no and and it's rhetorical
a little bit. But at the same time, I don't
know what do you think, like, what what do you
think about that?
Speaker 2: When here's what comes you know, here's what comes to
mind is is we know the wheels at b YU
sometimes move slowly. And I remember when b Y you
replaced Dave Rose and it was what two weeks before
we got Mark Pope signed and sealed, uh and in
the press conference, and we were amazed at that, like
how did that happen? When it has to go through
all of these silos and it has to go through
the brethren up in Salt Lake. You understood why there
was a reason why it was slow anyway, and then
this one they get it done in what a day
and a half with Colin. Yeah, so maybe also the
biggest impediment was was the machinations and the process.
Speaker 1: Well as it was athletics one hundred percent. No, But
I'm talking about like the general church. Like if I
look at the marketing efforts of the church right where
they've allocated bandwidth and and and support, like you know
they've changed over the years, right, I remember to meet
the Mormon's campaign. I'm a Mormon campaign, remember that, Like
we're spending a lot of money to what to normalize,
to humanize, to to have it, you know, kind of
the tentacles reach out and say, hey, like we're just
like everybody else. We're normal. We're not We're not a
bunch of you know, overly religious, crazed zelots with multiple
lives and and uh absurd theology that it doesn't make
any sense, and you know what I mean, Like it's
this normalization humanization element, and so like as I was
having this discussion, I think that's the biggest thing, right,
And and in my opinion, like from what I've seen
how how the churches operate, they want to have more yeah,
like tentacles out there far and wide of real human
contact and anecdotes, because we're only as good as our anecdotes, right,
We're only as good as our human experience. Right. There's
seventeen million Mormons. Half of those don't even go to
church anymore, they're not even affiliated with the church anymore.
And then half of those, you know, seven eight million
are are in the United States. America's for formulas, so
as it pertains to the United States of America, you
have four million active lds amongst three hundred and fifty
million people. And so there's so many misconceptions about who
Mormons and Latter day Saints are right, would you agree
with that?
Speaker 2: Sure? And maybe not as many as there used to be,
but yeah, I think that that's there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it is there, right, And so
like what I said was, okay, like you want as
many human interactions as you can get with the platforms
that you have. On one of those platforms, you know,
it's the it's the the Tabernacle Choir, it's young ambassadors,
it's it's missionaries going out and serving right and proselyting
and all those things. A part of that's BAU athletics too,
and then the alumni chapters that are serving in those
communities and raising funds and raising foods of stuffs and
and impact in the community, serving right and and and
all those things and creating human connection in those communities
and normalizing and humanizing uh, those members of the church
by serving right like and we're seeing more of that,
uh through this process. And then then so I think
of that, and then I also think of what's the
what's the most where is the most diverse place that
exists within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
What's the most diverse place on earth.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going, really don't.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm going add a c follow me. It's
it's the it's the b YU Athletic Department. Okay, that's
the most diverse place. That's the most diverse place on earth,
for for the Church of Christ latery Saints.
Speaker 2: Right, divers diverse in the sense of what there are.
Speaker 1: This city programs, ethnicity okay, uh, culture, languages like yeah, eldest,
non eldest, Polynesian, Blacks, Latinos, right, like I And you
bring all that together and it's extremely impactful. Aj Debonsa
goes to church one week introduce.
Speaker 2: Missionary prep class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like, like, how do you normalize the humanize?
You bring other people that aren't of the faith to
to b Yu and you let him experience the fruits
of the faith and then they go out into the
world and then they impact like, dude, you're wrong, You're right.
People have Dave Portno it comes to Provo, Big New Kickoff,
interacts with Claude. He's like, I love he danced his
way into my heart. Is Dave PORTNOI the most morally like,
superior spiritual man? No like, but like all of a
sudden he becomes an advocate for BYU, maybe the faith
and and and maybe we soften his heart to whatever
it is that he thought about Latter day Saints in
the first place. And b wait in the first play,
and what type of impact could you have? I saw
the self righteous rammy up to Mormons, weep whale and
nash teeth. As Connor MacGregor showed up to BYU's Marriott
Center for a basketball game, They're like, Wow, dare you
He's an evil and horrific man. I'm like, man, did
you not study the life of Jesus Christ and who
he served, who he ministered to? Did you get did
you miss that part of the of his life? Like
like he was also criticized for hanging out with people
that he shouldn't supposedly be hanging out with anyway. I
know this is a rant, but like we're talking, you
know the role of athletics, I guess within the church,
within BYU. And I think when you take all of that,
all those thoughts that I have together, like, okay, it
makes sense if we're doing it the right way, even
though we're gonna fall short and the student athletes are
gonna fall short. You're gonna have a Jake Ritchlof situation.
You're gonna have a situation with maybe a Duy here there,
like it happens like these are. We're in the fallen
state and no one's gonna be perfect, and we're not
going to live up to the standard that we set
for ourselves. But it's all about the end goal and
eternal perspective in and hopefully introducing more people to the
fruits of the faith in my opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Good fruits. I was just gonna say that ben is
what does what does it produce? What does the athletic
de farm produce? It produces good human beings they can
to step out of the world. And yeah, and that's
that's the goal. And if people see that, they can
maybe accept the fact that we're different and and and
just realize that we're just people trying to be good
and trying to be the best version of ourselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then and think of all your favorite
players that that play to b YU tied Emmer didn't
come to b y U l d S. And I'm
not saying, hey, you got to bring people in that
aren't LDS and then baptize them and like chalking it up.
But we got another one. We got another one. Yeah,
you know what I mean. But it but it's offering.
It's kind of like what Gordon B. Hinkley said, like,
take all your truth, take all your happiness, bring it
here and let's see if we can add onto it
and maybe you'll like it. You know, you don't know
what you don't know to you know, Jamal Willis, Caylin Hall,
Curtis Brown, my teammate, right Like, that's what I mean.
That's another is a huge component of it in my opinion.
So Darnell I was. I always learned something from you, man.
Love talking to you.
Speaker 2: Well. I feel I feel like I should be sitting
next to you to kind of steel your aura as
you're discussing this so I can get a better grip
on it because I want.
Speaker 1: To embrace you right now.
Speaker 2: Hard, it's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to embrace you, man, Love you, Appreciate you.
I love talking Cougar beats with you. Darnell Dixon, Ladies
and gener thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Double d all right, we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a YU fan here. I want that
mic close up to your face. Can you hear me?
What I was saying here brother, uh, And we'll get
to a break here momentarily, but I want to give
a big Cougar roar to this awesome fan that just
stopped by Ken Harris dropping off some some goods here
to the road home. Appreciate you tuning in. Ken, tell
us a little bit about yourself here as I bring
that mic up a little bit closer to you.
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drive on the road quite a bit. I actually come
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was on my way down to visit over at the
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could just sit here and listen to you.
Speaker 1: It's fun, dude. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks for letting me kicking the all above too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and you're the one they said it.
I was like, I'm kind of going through these random poles.
Sometimes I put them out right. Sometimes some of them
are good, some of them are bad. Right, let's be honest,
but I think that's a good one because there are
a lot of people that just want to see it
go away. And I'm like, wait, like it brings way
more good than and creates more positive fruits than it
creates bad fruits.
Speaker 3: I was thinking as we were sitting we all want
to CP way, you get into the conference playoffs, right
right into the college playoffs. Yes, but we are also
lots of missionaries out there. We're used to knocking on
that door and them not respond. No.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there thinking about that. So anyway, Hey,
I really appreciate what you do. It's fun.
Speaker 3: I heard uh, your guy on the other end.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so val hell coming up next, But can't
we salute you man, appreciate you, God blessed, thanks for
coming in and giving you back. And then hey, yeah
I got uh. I want to get your address so
I can send you some Royal Army brand too. Grab
a piece of pizza and then all text you and
then uh, okay, send me your address so I can
drop some some swag on you. Cool. Appreciate my guy,
Ken Harris. Ladies and gentlemen, shout out to him for
stopping by. We'll go to break guys, uh please don't
go anywhere. Want to remind you guys though, that we
have tickets that we want to give away to the
uh AN event at the Delta Center coming up here
shortly in December. Shout out to the Salt Lake City
Slam doubleheader. It's at a Utah Valley University playing University
of cals and Barbara twelve pm and then Utah State
will face Illinois State University at three pm in salt
in the Salt Lake Slam at the Delta Center December thirteenth.
Listen to Bryce ba Nucci at eight twenty am throughout
the week for chance to win your tickets. That's right,
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