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Speaker 1: So you've made it through three hours of the regular

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show on terrestrial radio, and you wanted a little bit more.

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So that's why you found the gun Talk after show

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podcast where we saved all the best things that we

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can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and

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Jim for the gun Talk after show.

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Speaker 2: He's after showtime where we have just two of us.

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Today we finally got rid of that woman.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean I only have to play half of

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a fanfare?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Dot it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Michelle's not with us today. I mean it's not

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It doesn't sound right when you said Michelle's not with

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us anymore. A little final says little final. No, she's

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just not here today. Okay. Got a big thanks to Mark.

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Are your buddy Mark for helping us out run on

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the board today or running the phone.

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Speaker 3: So we appreciate that, Thank you, sir. So interesting topic.

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Speaker 2: I'd loved it when somebody said, you know, well, do

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you have an AR fifteen or is it any good

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for self defense? And I said, well, do you have

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an AR fifteen? And you're for a private note to

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be going, do I have a n Air fifteen as

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in singular?

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Speaker 1: Well you know because and then later, and then later

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you made a reference here. Now do you have it

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for home defense? But maybe you have it for sporting

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use or for competition I'm thinking, or one for each?

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, and that is in fact, how did I

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end up with? I am?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do have it in multiple least a dozen ars,

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And I know that sounds like a lot, except that

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you know you're allowed fourteen clubs in your golf bag.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, each has a different use, So I.

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Speaker 2: Think up to fourteen this shouldn't be a problem at

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I'll no, one's your question that at all?

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Speaker 1: Okay, See I was thought I was thirteen, anchry that

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I could have been cheating.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's thirteen. Well, plus your partner's cutter,

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it's fourteen total, and now you can carry fewer if

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you want to. But you know, I need to have

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all the clubs in my bag. I can, so I

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have a lot of reasons for bad shots.

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Speaker 1: See, I can play. I thought exactly. I thought it

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was thirteen clubs altogether, and I've still been carrying eighteen.

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But that's not the point. I could have been cheating differently,

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but no, it.

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Speaker 3: Has it been helping you carrying eighteen.

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Speaker 1: In a cart, it's fine, but end of my score. No,

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I told you when I went golfing, first time I

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ever golf that broke a hundred and I haven't since.

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Oh no, really, no I sucked. I enjoy it because

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I do with the kids and my friends. I'm not

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out there to get you know, I'm out there to

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do the best I came. I'm out there. But if

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I have a lousy day. I had a lousy day,

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it's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you got to adopt that edge because there

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are some people who when they hit a bad shot,

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it messes them up and they just have a fit

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and throw clubs and all that, and you going, you

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need to go away, You need to go do something else,

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because this is supposed to be fun.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're a golf club vendor, that's great. It's

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a freaking clubs perspective. Yeah, there you go, exactly right. So, yeah,

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I got you know. Of course we have ars.

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Speaker 2: Now you can get them in all these different calibers,

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and so it's like, okay, well I got a nine

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milimeter are and five.

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Speaker 3: Five six a fair racket, and I went a.

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Speaker 2: Blackout at a grindle out of this and I was like, oh, okay,

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four fifty bailwoff or something.

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Speaker 1: And if you're blessed enough to be one of those folks,

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please keep your mags totally identified, like sharp beyond him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably generally not an issue, but there are

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certain combinations where it can be an issue. So exactly right,

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all the ones I have, the one I don't need

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is like need, well, just haven't shot it in twenty years?

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little bit short thing. And there are so many guns

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now being made that are frankly better. You know, everybody

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from Ruger has the Harrier Line smith, the Weston has

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its rifles and you can get them really small with

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collapsible stocks. And of course now you can get an SBR.

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a file form on it, and you got an SBR.

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with a suppressor, and you.

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Speaker 1: Don't have to get as larger as of suppressor as

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most folks think. They think suppressor, they think fourteen inches

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hanging off the end of your muzzle. Oh yeah, no, no, no,

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they're way better and smaller.

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Speaker 2: Well, you get a four or six inch. But understanding

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that that's still not hearing safe.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, I'm it's reduction, Yes, exactly, massive reduction

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Speaker 3: And really I'm not even sure.

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Speaker 2: Most even a big suppressor on a rifle using supersonic

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AMMO can be hearing safe.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, of course, explain why, I'm well, yeah, right, Well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, if the bullet's going faster eleven hundred pe per second,

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it's breaking the sound barrier, and so there's a pressure

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takes care of the muscle blast. But once the bullet's

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out of the muscle and going down range, it makes

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its own big noise with this crack of the rifle. Now,

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if the bullet's going slower than eleven hundred fet per second,

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then it's not breaking the sound barrier barrier and you

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Speaker 1: Quiet, hence the term subsonic.

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Speaker 2: Subsided AMMO, and you get an extra benefit. I was

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mentioning as we're finishing out the show, the idea of

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a lever action in three fifty seven magnum. I can't

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believe you have one, I know, but you shoot thirty

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eighths in it, and that's subsonic AMMO. And you get

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an additional benefit on the sound side over like an AR,

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because when an AR goes off or any semiauto, the

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action opens up and that's youre to exect the empty

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and so it's a little bit louder it with a

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closed breach like a lever action or a single shot

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or even a pump. Now, all that gas is going

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forward through the barrel and out through the suppressor, so

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those are inherently quieter.

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Speaker 1: Same reason why it wouldn't work very well on a revolver.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you got all those gases coming out out of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: People do put suppressures on revolvers, and I guess it helps.

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Speaker 3: But I can't.

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Speaker 1: It's reduction.

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Speaker 2: It's so it's like, okay, it's not as quiet as

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Speaker 3: There was.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, Well, you know something else that

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we don't discuss. It's kind of a given for us,

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but I mean for folks that are new into it

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or something. When you do go with subsonic, you also

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substantially decrease your range.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, well you've got a slower bullet, you've got

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less energy, less range, all the rest of it, no.

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Speaker 1: Doubt, but you need to know that going into it.

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Speaker 2: Right in they for instance, like a three hundred blackout

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with a subsonic load, and three hundred you're really talking

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one hundred yards effective range.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you put a super sonic load there, you

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can make a tudor yard rifle, And that I guess

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a lighter bullet and have more range, or the really

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heavy store bullets and make it truly quiet.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I do is that when I hunt with

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sonic as opposed to subsiding, I usually go around distribute

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hearing protection for the deer and the wildlife. So the

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following day, when I'll be shooting and I'm still polite, you.

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Speaker 2: Are so fawful, I'll tell you, well, I'm not sure

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you actually have thoughts. But that's a whole different question.

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Speaker 1: Altogether, not cohesive ones at least.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, exactly right, So huge week with

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no third Circuit. I mean that they crushed New Jersey's

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semi automatic rifle band And yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: And now we've got an.

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Speaker 2: Actual circuit split, got the Seventh Circuit going one way

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the Third Circuit going the other way. Whether that matters

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a lot, I don't know, since the Supreme Court has

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already accepted our case. So it's not that it's moot

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because the arguments, and look, the arguments made in this

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Third Circuit case in the decision are really interesting. You

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know what's most interesting about it. This hundred and whatever

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it was, ninety page decision was written by a woman

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left liberal judge who was appointed by Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a Trump appointee, not a right we're talking

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a left wing. But she had the intellectual honesty to say, look, this.

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Speaker 1: Is what the law is and this is how we

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have to I might not like it, however, Yeah, that's good.

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That's good to know they're out there.

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Speaker 3: It's terrific.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Mark Smith kind of made the allusion

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this still would not have happened had it not been

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for the Trump appointees on.

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Speaker 1: The Court, because people and Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course we're Lindsay Graham with the Bret Kavanaugh.

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But I'm talking about like on the Third Circuit, all

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these judges there.

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Speaker 1: Trump Trump apartments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got all these judges, dozens and dozens

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and dozens of judges that have been put on the bench,

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the federal benches by Donald Trump in his two terms,

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and those are critical to what's going on right now.

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I know that we're some of us are not perfectly

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happy with Donald Trump. I get that, and Lord knows,

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I wish that he would make his speeches like a

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quarter of the Lenk so he'd quit talking. At the

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same time, he has done a lot for us. This

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Department of Justice has done a lot for us. So

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it is foolish and frankly, it's a little bit immature

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to rail about Donald Trump this and Donald Trump that.

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If you like the Second Amendment, you gotta acknowledge what

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he's done for us.

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Speaker 1: You could say he's an effective egotist, and you'd be right.

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Speaker 3: Hmm. Interesting, that'd be a good license plate if you

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get to fit on that.

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Speaker 1: I'll take results like that.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Howld on to that fot, let's take

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a quick break. We'll get back to that.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we're back. It's Jim Kinzie and me.

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And you said you have some kind of prediction you

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want to make, all right, go for it. Well, yeah, yeah,

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we had that early too.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know if it's a prediction as much

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of as a dinner bet with you. Okay, what I

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think is going to happen with the Supreme Court taking

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on this case, we're pretty conference going to win, although

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all that could change with midter. Who knows what's going

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to happen between now and then, but it looks great.

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I think they're going to be pre instead of like

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Mark said, you know, keeping this segmented where magazines and

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handguns will come down the road. Right, we'll take care

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of the ar and that'll set precedent and then we

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use that as our basis to for the other cases.

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I think the Supreme Court's well aware of that. And Mike,

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here's my prediction. I think they're gonna nip it in

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the bud. They're going to rule how we thought. And

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in addition, they're going to take on these catch so

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they don't even have to take those other cases coming up.

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They'll say, and magazines are considered arms, and they'll kind

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of roll it into one thing and move it down

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the road.

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Speaker 3: That I don't know that they have the ability to

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do that if it was not brought before them, but.

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Speaker 1: If they do it by definition, and if they're saying

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and for those you know, I'm not using legal speak,

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but for those that are curious, here's some examples of arms.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they certainly could do that and say they're arms.

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That would be interesting. We'll follow that and see, I

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understand what Marcus saying. He says a lot of times

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you just say, look, people quit pushing. It's like he

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keeps saying, stop with the machine gun thing. We will

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not win on machine guns. I understand that you want them.

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I get that, but we're not going to win. And

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what we don't want is a bad precedent out there.

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So just you've got to be patient. He says, Look,

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we're going to get the air fifteens. Then we're going

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to get suppressors before we get magazines, he said, because

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and I listen to these lawyers, they're tell me, look,

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this is the way we have to proceed to do it.

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Speaker 3: Another way is to court. What could be a catastrophic.

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Speaker 1: Loss because you're setting precedent that you'd be used against

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you forever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly right. Yeah, so you know we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of are some of our favorite largest we

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have Coastus Morris on here all the time. What today

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is his birthday? And I saw h a note and

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I said, oh, you share a birthday with Sam Colt

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and Gaston Glock.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Those two shared birthday. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Colt and Gaston Glock two people who changed

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the direction and changed the history of firearms development.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, and that's something. But the only one

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on their part, you would be Browning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if I remember the dates right,

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that Glock was born one hundred and fifteen years after

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Sam cult was.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't hang much at conventions.

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Speaker 3: Probably I didn't do that. Yeah, they talked it well

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they do now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sam Colt said, yeah, that plastic thing that's never going

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to have catch up. What are you doing out there.

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say God made the men and Sam Cult made him equal.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are people, it's kind of a side trip here.

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There are people who actually still carry a single action

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revolver for self defense.

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Speaker 3: Good, very many good. It would be slow. I mean

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it's like, okay, but but if you're.

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Speaker 1: The stubborn guy or gal, that just has to have

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because that's the first gun you ever had, the romance

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of it, whatever the reason, and I'm going to carry

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that or nothing. It doesn't carry that.

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Speaker 3: And I do know people who carry him in the

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back country.

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I'm gonna have this primarily for critters

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and then maybe for people. But like a you know,

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forty five cult or a forty four Magnum in a

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single action revolver is still mighty good. Bear medicine or

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even a four fifty four Cassoule Man. There's not fit

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in Wyoming called Freedom Arms, and they make the most

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fabulous single action revolver. I mean there they're about two

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grand and but entertainment for the four to fifty four

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cassole and they're really really accurate and very strong. And

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in that cartridge you can then load forty five COLT

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and download soft and yep, you can soft it up,

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and you with forty five COLT you can get little

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uh light loads like for Cowboy action shooting, and that

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becomes just like a little pop gun, which the four

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fifty four cassole is not. That is a big recording

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beast of a revolver.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. And there's people that carry those.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean I have one that

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I bought, or actually I was going to use it

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for elk hunting, and then after I got it, found

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out that the area that I was going to hunt,

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which is back behind the cabin here, it's it's private land.

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Speaker 3: Even though it's private land, it is.

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Speaker 2: Lined off off as part of the national forest where

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you can't hunt, even though it's not national forest. It's

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this weird regulation. I didn't know about that until I

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bought a revolver because I was going to use it

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in the special what they call it short range weapon season.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the most creative BF story I've ever heard

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for buying a revolver to yeah, of course, whatever.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm going, okay, I'm not gonna hunt with

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it here. Where are you gonna do it? I don't know,

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because it's like this is very specialized. When you got

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a six and a half inch barrel beast of a revolver,

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and of course I obviously had to get a chest

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holster for it, you know, so I've got all the

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gear everything ready to go.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure you with lots of gear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking, amazing man of many flashlights.

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Speaker 2: There you go, and turnicuts. By the way, we just

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had a horrific accent by that. I'm not going to

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get any details on it. But a young woman got

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chopped up by a boat on the lake. Yeah, probably

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got her and people were able to save her life

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with tourniquets on her legs.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, lost both of legs. They had to be amputated.

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Speaker 1: But she's alive.

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Speaker 3: But she's alive. So tourniquets are a big freaking deal.

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Speaker 1: That's horrible.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible, and you know, but I'm glad there were

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people there that knew what they're doing and had what

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they needed. And by the way, people the stopped. The

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lead classes are free and they're everywhere and they're usually

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about a half day. It's not a big deal. So

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if you can possibly sign up, take all the members

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of your family. Why would you take your members of

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your family? Because they're the ones who are going to

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be working on you. You're probably not gonna be working

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on you. You might, but more than likely who's gonna

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be with you your friends and family, So take them

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to the class. I had a Scooba instructor who said, yeah,

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he says, make sure that all the members of your

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family know how to do CPR, because that's just gonna

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be with you to do it on you.

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Speaker 3: Oh good thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah kind of works that way, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. You've been shooting at all? You've been working.

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I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I've been been doing crazy stuff, helping out mom and traveling.

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Been traveling more than shooting. Yep, I must, I must confess.

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I'm not real proud of that. But you know where

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you prioritized him you could travel and shoot. You're you're

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driving right right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I just saw slowed down a little bigcause of me

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and I and I don't have to lead as much.

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Speaker 2: There you go it as you go slower, you can

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reduce the Actually we laughed, but Ryan did a thing.

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They were shooting. I think it was Daniel de Fence

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and they were in high speed boats shooting ars. Wow,

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and they were he was exploring the area of reverse lead,

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where you have to aim behind something because because if

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you're a forward momentum yes, exactly right, Yes, reverse lead

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is actually a real thing.

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Speaker 1: Is substantial or I mean depends on the speed obviously, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. But anyway, that's kind of interesting. They

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could be, you know, in a safe environment, it would

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be fun to explore that.

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Speaker 1: Right, unless, of course, it's simultaneously happening while there's a

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video crew shooting from helicopters at boats on the water.

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Speaker 2: That would be not the time you want to be

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out there, probably not, that's when. And have you seen

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the videos that of the US's drone boats. No, oh yeah,

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they have got a cool video came out last week.

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Three drone boats going into a shipyard in Iran and

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all of them blowing up at the same time. They

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are boats that are unmanned and they're going in and

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they're coordinated. They all get there at the same time.

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I'm thinking, drone boat. That'd be a good target, be.

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Speaker 1: A good band name. We're drone boat.

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Speaker 3: Drone boat. Oh yeah, right, what kind of music would drone.

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Speaker 1: Boat playing, probably bagpipe summer comes back.

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Speaker 3: I thought you said music.

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Speaker 1: Wrap bagpipes. Oh doublin do my, Oh my god, there

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you go.

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Speaker 3: Well let's see.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: On the personal front, I am recovering from the back

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that went out a week ago. But holy cow, that

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thing makes a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we're talking about that and corneal scratch has got

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to be.

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Speaker 2: So no shooting for me this past week because when

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you can't stand up straight, you can't really go shoot.

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But we're getting there.

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Speaker 1: It's going to get there into it like you start

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with subsonics and you work your way back up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get airsoft, you don't go really shoot inside.

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I like it's but the other problem with air soft

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is that I don't have a cat.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Well you gotta have a target. So now I have

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irritated half of the listeners out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's just the cat people. I should say, all

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us dog lovers are. Yeah, I see there, that's right,

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because dog lovers will then one only wants a count, right, yeah,

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but only to ten and then we have to take

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our shoes off.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's that too.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you have yourself a fabulous week. I appreciate

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you and uh you know, as we say, we couldn't

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do this without you.

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Speaker 1: Well we uh we have a good time work and

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sometimes I'm thinking, this is my job, this is like

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really cool, this is like fun, exactly right. Look what

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we get to do. Yep, yep a man, take.

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Speaker 3: Care of them.

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Speaker 1: Be safe. We'll catch you next time for the gun

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talk after show.