Speaker 1: So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio, and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk after show
podcast where we saved all the best things that we
can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the gun Talk after show.
Speaker 2: He's after showtime where we have just two of us.
Today we finally got rid of that woman.
Speaker 1: Does that mean I only have to play half of
a fanfare?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dot it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Michelle's not with us today. I mean it's not
It doesn't sound right when you said Michelle's not with
us anymore. A little final says little final. No, she's
just not here today. Okay. Got a big thanks to Mark.
Are your buddy Mark for helping us out run on
the board today or running the phone.
Speaker 3: So we appreciate that, Thank you, sir. So interesting topic.
Speaker 2: I'd loved it when somebody said, you know, well, do
you have an AR fifteen or is it any good
for self defense? And I said, well, do you have
an AR fifteen? And you're for a private note to
be going, do I have a n Air fifteen as
in singular?
Speaker 1: Well you know because and then later, and then later
you made a reference here. Now do you have it
for home defense? But maybe you have it for sporting
use or for competition I'm thinking, or one for each?
Speaker 3: Yes, well, and that is in fact, how did I
end up with? I am?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do have it in multiple least a dozen ars,
And I know that sounds like a lot, except that
you know you're allowed fourteen clubs in your golf bag.
Speaker 3: So yeah, each has a different use, So I.
Speaker 2: Think up to fourteen this shouldn't be a problem at
I'll no, one's your question that at all?
Speaker 1: Okay, See I was thought I was thirteen, anchry that
I could have been cheating.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's thirteen. Well, plus your partner's cutter,
it's fourteen total, and now you can carry fewer if
you want to. But you know, I need to have
all the clubs in my bag. I can, so I
have a lot of reasons for bad shots.
Speaker 1: See, I can play. I thought exactly. I thought it
was thirteen clubs altogether, and I've still been carrying eighteen.
But that's not the point. I could have been cheating differently,
but no, it.
Speaker 3: Has it been helping you carrying eighteen.
Speaker 1: In a cart, it's fine, but end of my score. No,
I told you when I went golfing, first time I
ever golf that broke a hundred and I haven't since.
Oh no, really, no I sucked. I enjoy it because
I do with the kids and my friends. I'm not
out there to get you know, I'm out there to
do the best I came. I'm out there. But if
I have a lousy day. I had a lousy day,
it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 2: Well, and you got to adopt that edge because there
are some people who when they hit a bad shot,
it messes them up and they just have a fit
and throw clubs and all that, and you going, you
need to go away, You need to go do something else,
because this is supposed to be fun.
Speaker 1: Now, if you're a golf club vendor, that's great. It's
a freaking clubs perspective. Yeah, there you go, exactly right. So, yeah,
I got you know. Of course we have ars.
Speaker 2: Now you can get them in all these different calibers,
and so it's like, okay, well I got a nine
milimeter are and five.
Speaker 3: Five six a fair racket, and I went a.
Speaker 2: Blackout at a grindle out of this and I was like, oh, okay,
four fifty bailwoff or something.
Speaker 1: And if you're blessed enough to be one of those folks,
please keep your mags totally identified, like sharp beyond him
or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably generally not an issue, but there are
certain combinations where it can be an issue. So exactly right,
I probably need to go back in. I think of
all the ones I have, the one I don't need
is like need, well, just haven't shot it in twenty years?
Is that the Olympic Arms Car fifteen. It's just a
little bit short thing. And there are so many guns
now being made that are frankly better. You know, everybody
from Ruger has the Harrier Line smith, the Weston has
its rifles and you can get them really small with
collapsible stocks. And of course now you can get an SBR.
It doesn't cost anything extra. Yeah, yeah, tax wise, right,
you don't have to pay the tax used to be
a file form on it, and you got an SBR.
And I do like the idea of an ar SBR
with a suppressor, and you.
Speaker 1: Don't have to get as larger as of suppressor as
most folks think. They think suppressor, they think fourteen inches
hanging off the end of your muzzle. Oh yeah, no, no, no,
they're way better and smaller.
Speaker 2: Well, you get a four or six inch. But understanding
that that's still not hearing safe.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, I'm it's reduction, Yes, exactly, massive reduction
it is.
Speaker 3: And really I'm not even sure.
Speaker 2: Most even a big suppressor on a rifle using supersonic
AMMO can be hearing safe.
Speaker 1: Right, well, of course, explain why, I'm well, yeah, right, Well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, if the bullet's going faster eleven hundred pe per second,
it's breaking the sound barrier, and so there's a pressure
takes care of the muscle blast. But once the bullet's
out of the muscle and going down range, it makes
its own big noise with this crack of the rifle. Now,
if the bullet's going slower than eleven hundred fet per second,
then it's not breaking the sound barrier barrier and you
could be really.
Speaker 1: Quiet, hence the term subsonic.
Speaker 2: Subsided AMMO, and you get an extra benefit. I was
mentioning as we're finishing out the show, the idea of
a lever action in three fifty seven magnum. I can't
believe you have one, I know, but you shoot thirty
eighths in it, and that's subsonic AMMO. And you get
an additional benefit on the sound side over like an AR,
because when an AR goes off or any semiauto, the
action opens up and that's youre to exect the empty
But when it opens up, it exposes that noise to you,
and so it's a little bit louder it with a
closed breach like a lever action or a single shot
or even a pump. Now, all that gas is going
forward through the barrel and out through the suppressor, so
those are inherently quieter.
Speaker 1: Same reason why it wouldn't work very well on a revolver.
Speaker 2: Yes, you got all those gases coming out out of
the side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: People do put suppressures on revolvers, and I guess it helps.
Speaker 3: But I can't.
Speaker 1: It's reduction.
Speaker 2: It's so it's like, okay, it's not as quiet as
it could be.
Speaker 3: There was.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, Well, you know something else that
we don't discuss. It's kind of a given for us,
but I mean for folks that are new into it
or something. When you do go with subsonic, you also
substantially decrease your range.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, well you've got a slower bullet, you've got
less energy, less range, all the rest of it, no.
Speaker 1: Doubt, but you need to know that going into it.
Speaker 2: Right in they for instance, like a three hundred blackout
with a subsonic load, and three hundred you're really talking
one hundred yards effective range.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Now, if you put a super sonic load there, you
can make a tudor yard rifle, And that I guess
is one of the benefits of a three hundred blackout rifle.
You have choice of AMMO, so you can go with
a lighter bullet and have more range, or the really
heavy store bullets and make it truly quiet.
Speaker 1: Well, what I do is that when I hunt with
sonic as opposed to subsiding, I usually go around distribute
hearing protection for the deer and the wildlife. So the
following day, when I'll be shooting and I'm still polite, you.
Speaker 2: Are so fawful, I'll tell you, well, I'm not sure
you actually have thoughts. But that's a whole different question.
Speaker 1: Altogether, not cohesive ones at least.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, exactly right, So huge week with
no third Circuit. I mean that they crushed New Jersey's
semi automatic rifle band And yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: And now we've got an.
Speaker 2: Actual circuit split, got the Seventh Circuit going one way
the Third Circuit going the other way. Whether that matters
a lot, I don't know, since the Supreme Court has
already accepted our case. So it's not that it's moot
because the arguments, and look, the arguments made in this
Third Circuit case in the decision are really interesting. You
know what's most interesting about it. This hundred and whatever
it was, ninety page decision was written by a woman
left liberal judge who was appointed by Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a Trump appointee, not a right we're talking
a left wing. But she had the intellectual honesty to say, look, this.
Speaker 1: Is what the law is and this is how we
have to I might not like it, however, Yeah, that's good.
That's good to know they're out there.
Speaker 3: It's terrific.
Speaker 2: And you know, Mark Smith kind of made the allusion
to it, but we didn't really get into it that
this still would not have happened had it not been
for the Trump appointees on.
Speaker 1: The Court, because people and Lindsey Graham.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course we're Lindsay Graham with the Bret Kavanaugh.
But I'm talking about like on the Third Circuit, all
these judges there.
Speaker 1: Trump Trump apartments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got all these judges, dozens and dozens
and dozens of judges that have been put on the bench,
the federal benches by Donald Trump in his two terms,
and those are critical to what's going on right now.
I know that we're some of us are not perfectly
happy with Donald Trump. I get that, and Lord knows,
I wish that he would make his speeches like a
quarter of the Lenk so he'd quit talking. At the
same time, he has done a lot for us. This
Department of Justice has done a lot for us. So
it is foolish and frankly, it's a little bit immature
to rail about Donald Trump this and Donald Trump that.
If you like the Second Amendment, you gotta acknowledge what
he's done for us.
Speaker 1: You could say he's an effective egotist, and you'd be right.
Speaker 3: Hmm. Interesting, that'd be a good license plate if you
get to fit on that.
Speaker 1: I'll take results like that.
Speaker 3: There you go. Howld on to that fot, let's take
a quick break. We'll get back to that.
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Speaker 2: All right, so we're back. It's Jim Kinzie and me.
And you said you have some kind of prediction you
want to make, all right, go for it. Well, yeah, yeah,
we had that early too.
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know if it's a prediction as much
of as a dinner bet with you. Okay, what I
think is going to happen with the Supreme Court taking
on this case, we're pretty conference going to win, although
all that could change with midter. Who knows what's going
to happen between now and then, but it looks great.
I think they're going to be pre instead of like
Mark said, you know, keeping this segmented where magazines and
handguns will come down the road. Right, we'll take care
of the ar and that'll set precedent and then we
use that as our basis to for the other cases.
I think the Supreme Court's well aware of that. And Mike,
here's my prediction. I think they're gonna nip it in
the bud. They're going to rule how we thought. And
in addition, they're going to take on these catch so
they don't even have to take those other cases coming up.
They'll say, and magazines are considered arms, and they'll kind
of roll it into one thing and move it down
the road.
Speaker 3: That I don't know that they have the ability to
do that if it was not brought before them, but.
Speaker 1: If they do it by definition, and if they're saying
and for those you know, I'm not using legal speak,
but for those that are curious, here's some examples of arms.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they certainly could do that and say they're arms.
That would be interesting. We'll follow that and see, I
understand what Marcus saying. He says a lot of times
you just say, look, people quit pushing. It's like he
keeps saying, stop with the machine gun thing. We will
not win on machine guns. I understand that you want them.
I get that, but we're not going to win. And
what we don't want is a bad precedent out there.
So just you've got to be patient. He says, Look,
we're going to get the air fifteens. Then we're going
to get suppressors before we get magazines, he said, because
and I listen to these lawyers, they're tell me, look,
this is the way we have to proceed to do it.
Speaker 3: Another way is to court. What could be a catastrophic.
Speaker 1: Loss because you're setting precedent that you'd be used against
you forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly right. Yeah, so you know we'll see.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of are some of our favorite largest we
have Coastus Morris on here all the time. What today
is his birthday? And I saw h a note and
I said, oh, you share a birthday with Sam Colt
and Gaston Glock.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Those two shared birthday. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Colt and Gaston Glock two people who changed
the direction and changed the history of firearms development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, and that's something. But the only one
on their part, you would be Browning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if I remember the dates right,
that Glock was born one hundred and fifteen years after
Sam cult was.
Speaker 1: So they didn't hang much at conventions.
Speaker 3: Probably I didn't do that. Yeah, they talked it well
they do now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sam Colt said, yeah, that plastic thing that's never going
to have catch up. What are you doing out there.
Oh yeah, I love the old saying. You know, they
say God made the men and Sam Cult made him equal.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, there are people, it's kind of a side trip here.
There are people who actually still carry a single action
revolver for self defense.
Speaker 3: Good, very many good. It would be slow. I mean
it's like, okay, but but if you're.
Speaker 1: The stubborn guy or gal, that just has to have
because that's the first gun you ever had, the romance
of it, whatever the reason, and I'm going to carry
that or nothing. It doesn't carry that.
Speaker 3: And I do know people who carry him in the
back country.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I'm gonna have this primarily for critters
and then maybe for people. But like a you know,
forty five cult or a forty four Magnum in a
single action revolver is still mighty good. Bear medicine or
even a four fifty four Cassoule Man. There's not fit
in Wyoming called Freedom Arms, and they make the most
fabulous single action revolver. I mean there they're about two
grand and but entertainment for the four to fifty four
cassole and they're really really accurate and very strong. And
in that cartridge you can then load forty five COLT
and download soft and yep, you can soft it up,
and you with forty five COLT you can get little
uh light loads like for Cowboy action shooting, and that
becomes just like a little pop gun, which the four
fifty four cassole is not. That is a big recording
beast of a revolver.
Speaker 1: No doubt. And there's people that carry those.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean I have one that
I bought, or actually I was going to use it
for elk hunting, and then after I got it, found
out that the area that I was going to hunt,
which is back behind the cabin here, it's it's private land.
Speaker 3: Even though it's private land, it is.
Speaker 2: Lined off off as part of the national forest where
you can't hunt, even though it's not national forest. It's
this weird regulation. I didn't know about that until I
bought a revolver because I was going to use it
in the special what they call it short range weapon season.
Speaker 1: That's probably the most creative BF story I've ever heard
for buying a revolver to yeah, of course, whatever.
Speaker 2: So now I'm going, okay, I'm not gonna hunt with
it here. Where are you gonna do it? I don't know,
because it's like this is very specialized. When you got
a six and a half inch barrel beast of a revolver,
and of course I obviously had to get a chest
holster for it, you know, so I've got all the
gear everything ready to go.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure you with lots of gear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking, amazing man of many flashlights.
Speaker 2: There you go, and turnicuts. By the way, we just
had a horrific accent by that. I'm not going to
get any details on it. But a young woman got
chopped up by a boat on the lake. Yeah, probably
got her and people were able to save her life
with tourniquets on her legs.
Speaker 3: Awesome, lost both of legs. They had to be amputated.
Speaker 1: But she's alive.
Speaker 3: But she's alive. So tourniquets are a big freaking deal.
Speaker 1: That's horrible.
Speaker 2: It's horrible, and you know, but I'm glad there were
people there that knew what they're doing and had what
they needed. And by the way, people the stopped. The
lead classes are free and they're everywhere and they're usually
about a half day. It's not a big deal. So
if you can possibly sign up, take all the members
of your family. Why would you take your members of
your family? Because they're the ones who are going to
be working on you. You're probably not gonna be working
on you. You might, but more than likely who's gonna
be with you your friends and family, So take them
to the class. I had a Scooba instructor who said, yeah,
he says, make sure that all the members of your
family know how to do CPR, because that's just gonna
be with you to do it on you.
Speaker 3: Oh good thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of works that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. You've been shooting at all? You've been working.
I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've been been doing crazy stuff, helping out mom and traveling.
Been traveling more than shooting. Yep, I must, I must confess.
I'm not real proud of that. But you know where
you prioritized him you could travel and shoot. You're you're
driving right right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just saw slowed down a little bigcause of me
and I and I don't have to lead as much.
Speaker 2: There you go it as you go slower, you can
reduce the Actually we laughed, but Ryan did a thing.
They were shooting. I think it was Daniel de Fence
and they were in high speed boats shooting ars. Wow,
and they were he was exploring the area of reverse lead,
where you have to aim behind something because because if
you're a forward momentum yes, exactly right, Yes, reverse lead
is actually a real thing.
Speaker 1: Is substantial or I mean depends on the speed obviously, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. But anyway, that's kind of interesting. They
could be, you know, in a safe environment, it would
be fun to explore that.
Speaker 1: Right, unless, of course, it's simultaneously happening while there's a
video crew shooting from helicopters at boats on the water.
Speaker 2: That would be not the time you want to be
out there, probably not, that's when. And have you seen
the videos that of the US's drone boats. No, oh yeah,
they have got a cool video came out last week.
Three drone boats going into a shipyard in Iran and
all of them blowing up at the same time. They
are boats that are unmanned and they're going in and
they're coordinated. They all get there at the same time.
I'm thinking, drone boat. That'd be a good target, be.
Speaker 1: A good band name. We're drone boat.
Speaker 3: Drone boat. Oh yeah, right, what kind of music would drone.
Speaker 1: Boat playing, probably bagpipe summer comes back.
Speaker 3: I thought you said music.
Speaker 1: Wrap bagpipes. Oh doublin do my, Oh my god, there
you go.
Speaker 3: Well let's see.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: On the personal front, I am recovering from the back
that went out a week ago. But holy cow, that
thing makes a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're talking about that and corneal scratch has got
to be.
Speaker 2: So no shooting for me this past week because when
you can't stand up straight, you can't really go shoot.
But we're getting there.
Speaker 1: It's going to get there into it like you start
with subsonics and you work your way back up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get airsoft, you don't go really shoot inside.
I like it's but the other problem with air soft
is that I don't have a cat.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: Well you gotta have a target. So now I have
irritated half of the listeners out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's just the cat people. I should say, all
us dog lovers are. Yeah, I see there, that's right,
because dog lovers will then one only wants a count, right, yeah,
but only to ten and then we have to take
our shoes off.
Speaker 3: Oh there's that too.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Well, look, you have yourself a fabulous week. I appreciate
you and uh you know, as we say, we couldn't
do this without you.
Speaker 1: Well we uh we have a good time work and
sometimes I'm thinking, this is my job, this is like
really cool, this is like fun, exactly right. Look what
we get to do. Yep, yep a man, take.
Speaker 3: Care of them.
Speaker 1: Be safe. We'll catch you next time for the gun
talk after show.