Speaker 1: This is the Matt Thomas Show with Ross ten oh
one in the AM and h Town.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome into a Thursday edition of The Matt
Thomas Show with Ross Bottles.
Speaker 3: Score tonight inside Tota Center the Santonio Spurs one eleven
and the Houston Rockets ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Teach not only was it the Spurs whom we hate,
but it was also important in the Western Conference standings.
Speaker 4: There was a ton of Spurs fans in the building.
Speaker 2: And the game started after eight thirty, So I mean
you had to be in the Toyota Center late last
last night as the crowd filed out, with like under
three minutes to go to watch your team completely crumble
in the fourth corner and fall to the San Antonio Spurs.
Speaker 4: If you made it, Hello.
Speaker 2: And welcome into the Matt Thomas Show with Ross here
on Sports Talk seven. I need Ross virial with you.
I will be here for the full four hours. Who
else will be here, Well, we will see. Chris Gordy
should be joining shortly. He's gonna come hang out. I
asked both of the Adams to hang out for an hour,
and I didn't get a straight answer. I got a
whole lot of nodding, And why don't.
Speaker 5: You do it?
Speaker 4: No, maybe you should do it?
Speaker 2: So will and Adam show up at one pm? And
which one will it be? Who's to say? We'll see
you coming up at one o'clock here on Sports Talk
seven night. In the meantime, Jonathan, you're gonna be here
for the full four hours, right, So I mean, as
long as it's me and you, we can hold it down.
We can batten down the hatches, will be all right. Yes,
we got this, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We'll be all right. We got this.
Speaker 2: So Jonathan is gonna bring us the new news at noon,
coming up at noon. Look at this is like the
earliest I've ever warned you. I think, I think I
appreciate it. I's a gold star. I think Jonan's gonna
bring us the news at noon. Coming up at twelve o'clock.
We will have Joel Corey coming up at eleven o'clock. Now,
he works and writes for CBS Sports. He is kind
of the the capologist of CBS Sports, NFL contracts and
salary cap experts, and you can find him on Twitter
at Corey Joel cor r Y. He's gonna join us
coming up at eleven o'clock. He wrote a really interesting
article on paying Will Anderson and then also paying CJ. Stroud,
What that would look like for the Houston Texans, whether
or not they should do it, and all that different stuff,
but kind of the the economics of football. With Will
Anderson's deal not necessarily pending, but a contract extension, he's
up for one, as is CJ. Stroud. What's gonna happen there?
We will hear from him coming up at eleven o'clock.
I'm excited for that. Of course, it is Thursday, so
we have I just don't get it coming up at
eleven o'clock as well. And we also have you folks
on the phone lines. If you would like to get in.
We can talk a number of different things. They're open.
It's seven to one three two one two five seven
ninety is the phone number, seven to one three two
one two five seven ninety. So we do have a
number of things to get to. As I said, we
will start off talking about the Houston Rockets and that
loss last night. I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little
bit worried because what happened in that fourth quarter for
the Rockets. Uh for all intents and purpose, is a disaster.
Kind of funny mirroring the game on the twentieth, so
what eight nine days ago now at this point, rather
than the game on the twenty eighth, where the Spurs
got up as much as sixteen in that game against
the Rockets, and then in the fourth quarter they couldn't
do anything in the fourth and they couldn't score a lick.
Rockets came roaring back and won the game, and it
made it not look as close as the final score reflected.
Then you flip it on the other end, Rockets going
into the fourth quarter, I think they were leading by
two and then the fourth quarter was just and it
was a disaster.
Speaker 4: There's no other way to put it. You get out
score twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 2: Hide your children, hide your wives, hide your pets, hide everyone.
When I give you these fourth quarter numbers for the
Houston Rockets, four of twenty three from the field seventeen
point four percent. That is not acceptable. That is not good.
Over two from three were the Rockets as well. And
you're sitting there saying, what happened? They only took a
couple of threes. How did they go so cold shooting?
Four of twenty three from the field. Well, I'm glad
you asked. The Spurs began to use a defense that
was pretty interesting and I don't know that every team
can pull it off. But more on that in a second.
They put Victor wimbin Yama the five on a men
Thompson the rock. It's one, yes, the five guarding the one.
Why did they do that? Well, unfortunately, you don't have
to respect a men Thompson's jump shooting at all. So
they had Victor woman Yama sagging way off of a
men Thompson. That way, you're kind of shutting down his
driving lanes, which he can do a good job of driving.
By the typical NBA defender, he's gonna euro step, he's
gonna throw in a couple of fakes. He's gonna, you know,
throw in use his pivot foot and go and whirl around.
And he could also just blow by people and fly
to the rim. Unfortunately, not the case with Victor wimban Yama.
I know, we hate him here here in Houston. We
wanted him here, and then now he's on the other
side and his arrival and he's down I ten, So
we have to trash the guy and act like he's terrible,
but he's a very good defender.
Speaker 4: He can lock down the paint.
Speaker 2: He's got basically like an eight foot wingspan, so it's
very difficult for him to just go buy him for
a men Thompson to go buy Victor w Baniama and
then even if he does, Wmby can recover and block
shots and effect shots with his with his length. So
Wimby was sagging way off of a Men Thompson. And
then you know, the Rockets have their their pet stets
that they like to use with Kevin Durant and Alprin
Shan Goon and having them screening off each other at
the top of the key.
Speaker 4: They were doing that.
Speaker 2: The Spurs were switching that and ending up with Stefan
Castle on Alprin Shin Goon, which should be a matchup
we should favor. But Stephan Castle did a very good job.
Alprin Shin Goon wasn't very good in the period either,
and the Rockets just couldn't get anything going. Kevin Durant
won for four in that fourth quarter, A Men Thompson
one for seven, Alprin Shan Goon zero for five. Those
are your big three. We talked about that this week
on The Matt Thomas Show, with Ross like that, that's
a big three men. Thompson eighteen points per game, First
Team All Defense, Kevin Durant, one of the greatest players
to ever walk the planet, in outbrunching good and All Star.
You cannot have those guys combined for two for sixteen
in the fourth quarter. And the Spurs did a great job.
It was a wonderful defensive wrinkle from Mitch Johnson, and
not every team, as they said, is going to be
able to do that. But it has me a little
bit worried because the Rockets didn't have any answers for it.
They just looked completely bamboozled. They were taking ten seconds
to get into every single offensive set in the fourth
quarter and they were just looking lost and throwing up
a bunch of shots that had no chance of going in.
It's not like they just had a bunch of wide
open threes and things didn't look good. They were not
getting open shots. I mean, coming into the game last night,
this is the number five offense in basketball. So is
it a concern. Yes, we can also say, oh, it's
one game. It's also the Spurs. They're uniquely equipped to
defend the way that they did in that fourth quarter.
So it's not going to necessarily be a problem against
I don't know the games coming up tonight against the
Atlanta Hawks. Then you have some Pacers and some whatever
else in the future schedule. That's great and all well
and good, and I would agree with that, But also
I'm not worried about the Atlanta Hawks and the Indiana
Pacers in the in the in the Charlotte Hornets in
January and February, You're worried about the San Antonio Spurs.
Come April and May, you're worried about the Oklahoma City
Thunder who have a lengthy big and Chet Holmgren, who
you can maybe employ some similar type of defense. Not
necessarily the case with the Denver Nuggets. But you're not
talking about the regular season and the Rockets going to
be okay, which I think they are. They're still going
to finish to the top four seed. All is going
to be hunky dory, but it is going to be
in the back of my mind with the Rockets and
trying to get to get to that upper echelon. The
goal isn't to make the playoffs. The goal isn't even
to make the first round or second round. The goal
has win a championship. That's gonna be one heck of
a hard goal because of how good the Oklahoma City
Thunder are and how tough the West is in general.
Speaker 4: But last night was not good.
Speaker 2: And of course it's the last quarter that I've seen
of Rockets basketball, so it's gonna leave a really bad
taste in my mouth, and I'm not feeling good after
watching the end of that game. So Imahidoka did address
it in the post game last night, talking about that
defense that was used by the San Antonio Spurs. Will
play you some of that audio as we go along,
because that was just ugly. You lose against Arrival, you
lose against Wimby, who you want to beat. You got
a bunch of Spurs fans in your building, and oh,
by the way, you could have gotten You were two
games behind San Antonio in the West. You could have
made it just one game and now you're three. So
January game. Not the end of the world, but not
feeling great last night about Rockets basketball. Okay, we're gonna
take a quick break here on The Matt Thomas Show
with Ross as I mentioned coming up. At eleven o'clock
we got Joel Corey, CBS Contra and Capologist. He's gonna
talk to some Will Anderson and CJ. Stroud. Eleven thirty
we have I just don't get it as well. Twelve
we got the news at noon. Chris Gordy gonna join
at some point one of the Adams at some point
as well.
Speaker 4: Jonathan Allen is here.
Speaker 2: You can get on the phone lines if you want
to hang out, give me your thoughts where there'd be
the rockets or anything else going on. Of course, those
Will Anderson and CJ. Shroud contracts we're gonna talk about.
Got some NFL news to get to, and you know
we're gonna talk about college football with Chris Gordy in
the fold as well. So phone lines open, anything you
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And again on the phone lines seven one three two
one two five seven ninety. All right, I saw Cole
Thompson I mean distracting my producer quite frankly, Jonathan in
there talking too. Yeah, that's fine. I forgive you and
I I had it. I was going to ask you
off air, but I was like, you know what, let's
just go ahead and do it on air. Cole Thompson,
the Morning Drives that we're.
Speaker 6: Calling it, I thought it was actually what did what
did empty call it?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: He calls it something different every day, which I mean,
I gets it's a funny bit to him, but I
mean for the camaraderie and uh, I just we should
all be solidified together. Team teamwork makes the dreamwork here
at Sports Talk seven ninety. I would like to just
consistently call it whatever the hell that the show is
called The Morning Drive. I'm not up in the morning,
so I don't catch The Morning Drive, and then I
have like a four minute commute, and normally I'm listening
to music. So nothing personal to you or Dan, but
I don't normally catch the show. I'm sure it's spectacular.
You feel you'd listen between six and ten. Anyways, I
wanted the update because you.
Speaker 4: Had the I'm sorry, on Fry, are you still sleeping
on the couch or is anything.
Speaker 6: Okay, no, we made up for it. What's funny was
is that on Friday.
Speaker 4: I don't need to know how you made up, but
go ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, on Friday. Her so she works as a drilting director.
She doesn't want to dance and everything like that, and
she's about to go into competition mode and apparently.
Speaker 2: Shot autition mode. Is that like when Lebron Dets deletes
all his social media.
Speaker 6: She literally just does not go on social media or
text me. Oh wow, She like she'll leave it five
in the morning. I won't see her until the next
until the summer.
Speaker 4: Okay, concern you at all?
Speaker 6: Okay, good, I've been to one of those contests.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 6: It is steroid. It is like think of like dance moms,
like the t think of that on steroids. Okay, after
she does for a living, I'm like, just just text
me if you win or loose, give me, give me
the hell out of it.
Speaker 4: Dance moms.
Speaker 6: Huh yeah, that level of psychology.
Speaker 4: It's that bad bay.
Speaker 5: Where is this? Can I go?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You can go? All right?
Speaker 4: You think Sean brings some wine?
Speaker 6: Do you want to pay forty bucks to go to
the competition problem?
Speaker 4: Can I get in wine. Can I get in wine
and some cheese cracks?
Speaker 6: I s don't think you could do that. I think
that maybe wine coolers that you have dance moms.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I need a wine and a pineapple favorite
maybe probably Okay, that wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 4: Dance moms are going to want those two. But anyways,
so you're all good.
Speaker 6: I'm good because now somebody else pissed her off when.
Speaker 4: It came to the dance. So you deflected.
Speaker 6: I got to deflect, like I don't want to talk
to you tonight, but I don't want to talk to
you because I'm mad about something else. And then come
forty eight hours, I mean twenty four hours later, she's like,
I'm over it. That's so I kind of got off
scott Free without.
Speaker 4: Even fully got you.
Speaker 2: It was a distractor technique exactly, Like that's smart, that's
actually a vet move.
Speaker 5: Cole.
Speaker 6: I actually said to the mom that decided to piss
her off, thank you.
Speaker 4: I want to send her. I want to send her.
Speaker 6: I want to send her a twenty dollars gift card
because of now, she was the bane of Kirsen's existence.
Speaker 2: So you want to get in trouble with your wife again. Oh,
you sent this woman twenty dollars? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Why are you sending this off? Because if she pissed
you off and I got out of the door.
Speaker 4: Okay, well I'm glad you're off the couch. That's all
I needed. All right, thank you? Apiate. I don't know
anything to plug. What's that?
Speaker 2: What's the big fun heritage segment tomorrow Friday on the
Morning Drive?
Speaker 6: Ooh, I'm probably gonna lose my mind over more Bill
ball check stuff because I think it's stupid. I know
your co host is very content for a year.
Speaker 2: I'm not content, hint, and I know I know I'm not.
I'm saying I'm not content. But also I don't think
it's some great travesty. Okay, I don't think it's a travesty.
Here's what I will say.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what you're young. Go ahead, here's what
I will say.
Speaker 6: I think it's stupid that you don't have to then
come out and say I was the one who vote
against it.
Speaker 2: The secret votes everywhere, No, no, no, if you have
to take you a Hall of Fame secret, Basketball Hall
of Fame secret.
Speaker 6: I'm the same way with all of them. If you
have the gall to say that you do not believe
that this person belongs in the Hall of Fame. I'm
totally cool with it. Be able to go ahead and
take the brunt of the forest.
Speaker 2: You can if you want, like that Kansas City writer
came out and became publicly. Yeah, But also I don't
you shouldn't be beholden to public pressure either.
Speaker 4: So I do like this secret vote.
Speaker 6: See, I'm not for it. I'm for it if you
feel anything because because because why would you do it?
Speaker 4: Because then you wouldn't stay true to yourself.
Speaker 2: If you have this vote, somebody is taking upon you
to say, hey, you know what, you know Ball, and
you can disagree with him that they know Ball, right,
they're saying, but if you're giving a Hall of Fame vote,
they're saying, you know Ball. We want you to give
your vote one true to yourself, and the best way
to do that is to make it a secret vote,
because if you're making it public, then you're going to
be beholden to public pressure and that's going to influence
your thinking.
Speaker 6: But then I think that that works because here's the
bottom line. I don't know if you know this ross
bullying in society is a great thing, then that's what happens.
Speaker 2: They will follow you and don't get your portocross. No,
bullying's not great. Bully bullying has me on Instagram and
I don't want.
Speaker 7: To be on it.
Speaker 6: He gets fantastic in the right secret circumstances.
Speaker 4: Actually coming across.
Speaker 2: I'm coming along on Instagram though, because bullying is getting
me off Twitter, because I'm sick of all you people
on Twitter. You six said human beings with nothing better
to do in your life. But coming to I mentions
because Victor win Miyama Rocket should be scared.
Speaker 4: Of him, I tweet the Victor Rocketson's scared of Victor Wimbyona,
which say, aren't they go right after him? He had
a great game, Sure he had, like I don't know,
twenty eight and sixteen. It's not like he dropped a
fifty and twenty Spurs fans coming into I mentioned out
of no.
Speaker 6: Where, I still searching Woden. I mean, get out of here.
Speaker 2: I got to mute five thousand Spurs fans who are
who are spending their nights. It's midnight, go to sleep,
hug your children, they don't have take dog for a walk.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: All right, they don't have to do anything else but
but come out and find me in your mention.
Speaker 6: They have nothing to do but at sports.
Speaker 4: Anyways, what were we talking about?
Speaker 6: Something about Hall of Fame voting, which, by the way,
I'm I'm for the bully because guess what happens if
you bully them long enough, they're going to take your side.
Speaker 2: That's that's not good because you know why the public
is stupid? The public is the public is wrong about
almost everything. Are they wrong about Bill Belichick not being
a Hall of Fame coach? He is a Hall of
Fame coach. And guess what he's gonna get in next season?
He'll be in in a year. Okay, take your time,
get your affairs in order. You want to go and
go book your flight to Canton, cole because he's coming
next year.
Speaker 4: We're so passionate about it. I mean, you're up in arms.
Speaker 2: There's like seventeen social media videos and ah you put
up about it.
Speaker 4: So you're so up in arms.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, book your flight to Canton, get your leather
helmet on, and go out there and go to the
Hall of Fame next year. Shit, you followed me on
Twitter at mister Cole Thompson. Yeah, mister Cole Thompson, go ahead,
all right, there he goes all right. Didn't mean to
go that long, but I did want the update. It's
good to hear that Cole is off of the couch.
That was my main concern. I'm worried about the young man.
I mean, it's not easy getting up early. You got
that morning pressure, I mean, morning drive, major market. It's
a lot of pressure. And then if you're sleeping on
the couch and there's like, I don't know, unicorn stuffed
animals in your back, it's it's just not feeling good.
So I'm glad he's doing okay. And he's wrong. I mean,
he's not wrong. Upset about Bill Belichick, I get it
up in arms and acting like it's the greatest travesty
in history.
Speaker 4: No, a lot of a lot of you youngins.
Speaker 2: How old were you in two thousand and seven, Jonathan five? Okay,
so you're five years old? Yeah, so you have no
memory of the Spygate scandal, No shocked? Okay, you remember
deflake Gate? Okay, Well, there was an even bigger scandal
before that in two thousand and seven called Spygate.
Speaker 4: I mean it was a massive, massive scandal.
Speaker 2: They got doctor draft picked, Bill Belichick got fined five
hundred thousand dollars, and the Patriots got fined like two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. They were illegally taping. I
think it was the Jets, and then there were reports
that like up to forty games they were doing this.
So yeah, you're illegally taping opposing opposing walkthroughs and trying
to get signals and trying to break down their defense.
Speaker 4: Sit out a year. You didn't get banned for life,
not like he's not going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: It was bad. I would have voted him. I don't
have one of the fifty votes to vote him in.
He would have gotten my vote. He's the greatest coach
of all time.
Speaker 4: Cheating.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. I'm sure
there was coaches back in the nineteen sixties. I don't
know George Hallis and I don't know, Okay, Vince Lombardi.
I don't want to desecrate his hallowed name, but you
know what I'm saying, Like, I'm sure there are a
number of coaches doing anything they could to win all
throughout the history of the NFL, and probably things we
don't even know about, so he would have gotten my vote.
But to call it a human tragedy that Bill Belichick
of all people, has to sit out one year because
he didn't get eighty percent. He'll get it next year
and we're all gonna be fine. All right, quick break
here on the Matt Thomas Show with Ross. You want
to get in on the phone lines. I saw a
couple of you on hold but dropped off. You want
to come back, you can. We can talk some Rockets, basketball, anything.
Y'all want to get to seven to one to three,
two one two five, seven ninety is the phone number
we can talk about the Belichick thing, mentioned the Rockets
collapsing in the fourth quarter against the Spurs last night
as well.
Speaker 4: Chris Gordy going to join, I don't know. At some point.
Speaker 2: We got Joel Cory coming up at eleven o'clock. He's
going to talk about that CJ. Stroud contract and the
potential for or the Houston Texans to signed both he
and Will Anderson Junior. That's right, we are guaranteed human.
You think AI get out sports takes this good come
on now, or sports takes this bad, depending on how
it goes. All right, Welcome back to the Matt Thomas
Show with Ross Hero on Sports Talk seven ninety. Matt
is in Atlanta with the Houston Rockets right now. They
are on a back to back, as they lost last
night to the San Antonio Spurs, completely collapsing in the
fourth quarter. Chris Gordy will be joining along at some point.
I mean, I guess I'm trying to get every single
employee who works for the station at some point here
on this show. Thanks to Cole Thompson for dropping in
for a second there. Jonathan Allen's hanging out with me
for the duration we have. I just don't get it.
Coming up at eleven thirty and at eleven o'clock it
is cbssports dot COM's NFL Contract NFL Contracts and Salary.
Speaker 4: Cap expert Joel Corey.
Speaker 2: He's gonna come on and talk about his Will Anderson
and a CJ. Stroud article that he wrote about the
Texans and their their ability or the possibility of signing
both of those. Obviously, Will Anderson at this moment seeming
like such a so much more of a no brainer
than CJ. Stroud Phone lines open for you at seven
one three two one two five seven ninety seven one
three two one two.
Speaker 4: Five seven ninety So I had the audio last night.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I talked about it in the first segment. Rockets fell
apart in the fourth quarter against the San Antonio Spurs.
If you fell asleep, well you didn't bust much in
the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: Uh honey, I gotted off in the fourth quarter. Good.
Speaker 2: They got destroyed twenty seven to thirteen in that fourth quarter.
There they combined of four I'm gonna bring it up again,
was it four twenty four or four four of twenty three?
Excuse me? Yeah, four of twenty three in the fourth quarter.
And as I kind of outlined in the first segment,
what they were doing defensively is they were using they
were using their five victor wimbin Yama to guard the
rockets one Amn Thompson because Wimby is uniquely equipped to
sag off of Amn Thompson and then help everywhere else
because of his length and defensive prowess. So you don't
have to respect the men Thompson's jump shooting and a
men was sagging off of them and then he was
going on and helping, and I think the basketball technical
term used by Udoka here is flood. He was able
to flood other places because you don't necessarily have to
respect him in Thompson and then a men Thompson what
he does when other teams do, when other players do
that is he goes and he finds avenues for basket cuts,
and he was doing that. But Wimby was doing a
good job of keeping an eye on the men Thompson,
watching those ask it cuts, covering those and he can
just I mean he can he can guard one endo
the floor or the other just about with his length.
So it was a very difficult situation for the Rockets.
The Spurs were also switching Kevin durantan Alpern Shingoon actions
and they weren't able to get any kind of rhythm going.
They were horrible in that fourth quarter. As I said,
they went four of twenty three from the field. So
I want to it's kind of fun to listen to
im Adoka, and when he's asked a question, he he
does a good job of, I mean, being open and
honest first of all, but you can kind of tell
by the tenor of his voice certain feelings that Emay's field.
So I want to play a little game here with you, Jonathan,
like what what is what is going through e May's
mind as we kind of go through this SoundBite. All right,
So first of all, I think he sounds a little
upset to start. This is him ask getting asked about
that defense, that the that the San Antonio Spurs were
using on him.
Speaker 4: Just not don't get stagnant.
Speaker 9: We still have to keep playing and regardless of who's
setting the screen up, be considered with the small and good.
Speaker 4: Advantage with Kevin those guys. And it just sounds like
a little frustration in his voice at the very beginning,
like just just just don't get stagnant. You see, it's
almost like he's yelling in the he's yelling in the
the huddle with that first part.
Speaker 10: Yes, No, it seems like he's trying to hold his tongue,
make sure he says everything. Pr you know, that's how
I can find again and vice versa.
Speaker 9: Man got to be a handler and move one around
and screen handle do a little bit of both. And
I don't think we were setting good screens from men.
Speaker 5: He would just go.
Speaker 9: Underneath and didn't get much out of that, and then
Opera and they kind of pushed him off the block
won't be flooded, and and we didn't get anything there
on the elbow, you know, surprised we didn't get better
positioned with Albi Alpi in his ISOs did a good job.
I think Castle and Barnes, those guys getting up under him.
Didn't really get to a spot, and he started shooting
some elbow floaters and hooks from there.
Speaker 4: Not a great shot for us. Yeah, all right, so
pretty better fact, but get the very and I mean
not so subtle shot at out, not alprinching Goon. I
mean yeah, alperrinching goon, like he's getting some elbow shots
that they're just not good shots for us.
Speaker 9: Didn't really get to a spot, so we started shooting
some elbow floaters and hooks from there.
Speaker 5: Not a great shot for us.
Speaker 2: So you can hear the frustration in Ema Doka's voice.
So he wants better screens, he wants them to get
into better spots. So it seems like they're gonna try
to do something a.
Speaker 4: Little bit better. But that was just that was a disaster.
Speaker 2: On ESPN Late Night, Rockets collapsing against the San Antonio Spurs,
wanting to win because it's the Spurs, all the Spurs
fans in the building, and wanting to win because it
would have helped in the Western Conference. You would have
been just one game behind them, who would have been
in the two seater. I'm not sure if the Nuggets
would have snuck up to the two seat at that point.
But you lose to the Spurs and now in the
season series, you're behind them at two to one.
Speaker 11: Mister Gordy, Yeah, I will give Mitch Johnson credit. Yeah,
I did not know Mitch Johnson. I was not familiar
with your game. He is a really good coach. I
mean that that's Furs team to go from what they
were last year and the year prior to what they
are now.
Speaker 4: The put the Popovich days behind you.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 11: This guy's got this thing Humming and Castle to Fox
has been great. I mean, and Wemby's they're very deep
team too. Yeah, but but how about their defense. They
made that fourth quarter? They made every shot uncomfortable for
the Rockets. I mean, guy and guys pulling up, Like
I know, Durance got the mid range down, but like
you know, Alpi and Amen are trying to do it.
Speaker 4: I'm going, guys, this is that ain't your game? Like
go to the freaking rim.
Speaker 11: Go And then when a men was trying to get
to the rim, he couldn't get there comfortably.
Speaker 4: They were doing a great job. Five block shots for
Victor wimen Yama. They were clogging up the paint.
Speaker 2: And I mean a weakness that can get exposed of
this team is some some consistent shooting depending on who's
on the floor, and especially when a men Thompson and
Alprin Shangoon are on the floor to game.
Speaker 4: You don't have to respect the three point shooting either
of those they were.
Speaker 11: I mean a man had was on an island. Yeah,
he was out there all by himself. They're like, go ahead,
shoot it.
Speaker 4: I mean, and he wouldn't. He didn't take a sal three.
That is a part of his game.
Speaker 11: He's I mean, look, we got all the rest of
the season, but in the off season he has got
to develop him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been saying he's in his fourth year now,
I mean we haven't. We've been saying that for a
for a Janis for like twelve years. Russell Westbrook his
entire career. Who else John Moran his entire career. I
think it's one of those things that, hey, if it
hasn't happened by now, I'm not sure that it is
going to happen.
Speaker 11: But there's god. I mean, like Anthony Davis come out
of college, had no range of There are guys who developed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but within four years was he shooting well. I
don't know, I'd have to go look that up, but
I think but you're four, he was hitting threes. So
that that and everybody's their different case. There are guys
who can come on. I think Jason Kidd is one
that comes to mind. He was a terrible three point
shooter his whole career. Then when he was like old
Jason Kidd with the Mavericks, he became a good three
point shooter. I think Lonzo Ball was terrible early in
his career and he kind of he re he basically
reinvented his entire shot, which is probably what a men
Thompson is going to have to do.
Speaker 4: Sometimes.
Speaker 2: At some point you're gonna maybe have to to stuff
down your ego and figure something out if you want
to make that part of your game, because maybe it's not.
There's not even any guarantees that it's gonna work. Everybody
has their ceiling. It is for a third three point shooting.
The highest ceiling ever is Steph Curry and then everybody
else has the ceiling below that.
Speaker 11: But what kind of happened was as soon as like
we saw when a man got that block he shot
blocked by Wemby. Yeah, then he was hesitant. It was
like he was he had an open look, but he
was like, oh, I don't know, there's Wemby. He's not
four off. He might come out of nowhere to block this.
And it was like once once he's in your head,
now he's really got you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was not fun to see.
Speaker 2: And Rockets have one more matchup with the San Antonio Spurs.
They're now down two to one in the season series.
So uh, back to the drawing board and no rest
for the weary. That's maybe a good thing. They can
flush fourth quarter out of their minds and get ready
for the Atlanta Hawks. That's the seven o'clock start here
on Sports Talk seven ninety. I'll have you for the
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quick break here on the Matt Thomas Show with Ross
Chris Gordy is hanging out. We've got Joel Cory gonna
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mean for the Houston Texans their cap situation.
Speaker 4: I mean, just he's on his face. I mean, you've
already paid Stingley.
Speaker 2: Nicole Collins is on a decent contract, but I don't
know when he's going to be wanting some extra money
as well. I mean, who knows, Jalen Petri, You've already paid, right,
So as far as money, it's obviously headlined by those
two guys.
Speaker 4: At some point Kamara Laster is going to want some money.
That'll be coming up as well.
Speaker 2: So interesting with the Texans, especially not having a whole
lot of wiggle room in terms of the cap, but
they can restructure some guys. So we'll talk about that
coming up at eleven o'clock here on the Matt Thomas
Show with Ross seven one three two one two five
seven ninety. Is the phone number seven one three two
one two five seven ninety.
Speaker 4: I meant to ask you, did you see the uh
the fromber buzz out.
Speaker 2: There Fromber is going to sign with the the Miami Marlins. No, okay,
what's the fromber buzz?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 11: Latest report last night? Is the San Francisco Giants really
making progress?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: So they had Johnny Quato for so many years with
long hair. They want a long haired pitcher back, right,
And the part of the contract is that he has
to keep his extensions in.
Speaker 11: He can never take them out. I I'm gonna still
hold out. I'm gonna hold out prediction that pictures that
catchers report and Fromber still does not have a team.
Speaker 2: Okay, he could wait, I mean because injuries have That's honestly,
it feels like not the worst idea to wait for
some sort of major injuries because elbow discomfort. How many times,
like take a drink every time your elbow discomfort during
spring training?
Speaker 4: It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's been happening the last couple of years all over
baseball has been happening with the Astros, and somebody's gonna
be like, you know what we need to we need
a frontline starter.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's some of the advice that he's getting.
I don't know. I'll just say I'd I'd rather see
fromber in the NL than have to face him. Why
in the AL Why is that? I just he's a
really good picture. I'd rather be Okay, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: But that's the funny thing to me because a lot
of the fan base I'm not talking about you Gordy,
acting like he's the worst pitcher in the history of time,
and it's like, okay, look at the numbers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had some blow ups, for sure.
Speaker 2: And literally the second I started really defending him like
he hadn't blown up in months, he's he blew up
like five times in a row, and he threw at
his catcher.
Speaker 11: So so I'm done defending him in that way. But yeah,
there were some guys that you just look at and
you go, they were fantastic here. But it's run its
course and it's still finished. Like top ten in the
sy Young O for like three four years in a row.
He was a pretty good run. Well, now he's not
gonna get paid, thankfully. I didn't put anything on the
bet I made with man. It was mid season.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he's gonna get over five and
a half yards, and then I hears I should say,
and then he literally blew up, like almost immediately and
then hit his catcher in the chest.
Speaker 11: Even though it was a good season for him last year,
his highest el RA since twenty nineteen. What was it
like three seventeen ish or someree six six? Okay, three
six to six. That's still good.
Speaker 7: What was it?
Speaker 4: What is a war?
Speaker 12: What is it? Good?
Speaker 4: Three eight? That's a good war. That's good.
Speaker 2: He's a little older though, he's thirty two now or
something like that. Yeah, just turned thirty two in November.
So I don't expect any kind of I mean, you.
Speaker 11: Take relatively healthy his career too, right, Like, Yeah, he's
been a workhorse, never really missed like long significant time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been over one hundred and seventy five innings
basically every year the last four years. But that's also
something you have to worry about. You have to you say, Okay,
I wonder where they testing fate, where they even weigh
that right, like, oh, he's been so healthy, he's a workhorse.
Can you say that's predictable or can you You can
spend it both ways that oh.
Speaker 4: Well you know what, Nah, he's he's he's to do.
He's due for an injury. It's been too long, he
hasn't broken down. You just don't know. You don't have
those long term workhorses in baseball anymore.
Speaker 11: I'm uh, I'm excited to get to spring and just
kind of see what the what this pitching staff is
going to look like, and you know it's it's gonna be,
it's gonna be interested.
Speaker 4: There got some battles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about the rotation. I think it's going
to be better than we're all thinking because it's not names.
I mean, Tattuyo Imai is a nice signing and that's
going to be good, I think. And then Javier will
see but you're starting with Hunter Brown, then you go
to Burrows and Weiss and I feel like I'm missing
another name somewhere, like they are gonna have.
Speaker 4: So Hunter Brown's your one. Yes, do we put Imi
into the two.
Speaker 2: I mean, I should depend on how you're feeling you
put him to or a Christian Javier probably gets a
nod as somebody who's been here a long time. If
he's not looking like a complete disaster in spring and
he's looking like old Christian Javier, that we know that
he can be.
Speaker 4: If he's looking like hell reptil, we're I'm good with that.
Spencer arraghedtty raghetty. I didn't mention that's right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you've got and they're gonna go to a
six man rotation at the very start of the season,
and even we had Joe a spot on at FanFest
and he said, I would expect to be in a
six man rotation more often than not in the season.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's like the new way.
Speaker 2: Rather than getting like a one and then like a
really good two, three, and then you know four or five, whatever,
Just get like two through six are like threes, Like,
just get a bunch of really good pictures and then
hope they work out, rather than trying to get a
bunch of stud pictures. You get a bunch of really
good arms rather than studs who can go down and
get hurt.
Speaker 11: Now, with depth your conversation with Ryan Wise was that
he's a starter, right, Yes, he kind of made it
known he has no interest in being a multiplate.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, he well he didn't say it that way,
but yes, he wants to be a starter and he
was told to build up to be a starter.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so let's talk this up. So our five man rotation, yes,
Hotter Brown, it's gonna be six. Okay, Well let's do six.
Hotter Brown, yes, tatsu am I, Yes, Christian Javier that's three,
Spencer Edraghetti.
Speaker 4: Four, Mike Burrows. Mike Burrows.
Speaker 11: I mean he he was strong for the pirates, Ryan.
So that's your five. So your six candidates are Ryan Weiss,
Jason Alexander. Oh yeah, it was really good for you
for down the stretch last year. Lance McCullers junior, don't laugh.
Speaker 2: Get ready to learn minor league deal, buddy, I mean,
I'm sorry. I love Lance McCullers Junior. I backed him
and I hope he was gonna come back. But he's
got he's got DFA written all over him.
Speaker 11: And then the kind of trio of triple A like
I'll call him the four A guys blue Ball AJ
blue Ball, who I think is knocking on the door
of being really good, like he was great last September.
Colton Gordon, who's had moments. You know, Yes, I think
he's so he could get better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, get a place in Sugar Lank and then miss
most almost all last year. JP. France. But you know,
I think there's they can develop something there space Cowboys
legend JP Franz. I'm not worried that worried about him either.
And then what what do they do with Nate Pearson?
Is he a starter or a reliever? So yeah, you've
got options. That's good.
Speaker 2: And I just man, if Lantma Colors Junior somehow can
get back to some of that lightning in the bottle,
I just I just don't see it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we all gave him a leash. We all were like, ah,
here we go. But just the injury on top of injury,
and I think, and I get it. I I poo
pooed on a lot of the fans who like poo
poot on him, But it was I think we're all
to the extent of man, we've tried, We've given him,
as you know, and he's getting paid well, I mean
it's it's you know, it's I think just the reality
is the thing that sucks is as good as he
was that July fourth game in l A against the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: He was awesome that day. And it's like, if we
could find that guy again and just be consistent.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, if he just simulate the games as he's
in Dodger Stadium, It's it seems like he all he
loves pressure, Yeah, he loves pressure.
Speaker 11: And then home game on a Saturday against the Twins,
not much. But the other one to watch he's not
on the door. We will see him this year, Miguel Uloa.
Speaker 5: Let's go with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, this rotation is gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: I'm barring, of course, we have to say the caveat
barring a rash of injuries like last year.
Speaker 11: Where was it three players with Tommy john for the
Astros last year too, run O Bloco, Hayden was a
Nesky binder, Walter Alter.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then you're talking about the guys who were coming
back from Luis Garcia.
Speaker 2: Urrighetti got hurt, Josh Hater got hurt. Luis Garcia unfortunately
just never could recover.
Speaker 11: Jose aer Kety gone, Rose er Kety gone, but not
forget who was the other end that hobby or came back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he was just kind of up and down,
all right, So hopefully that doesn't happen this year. Okay,
we're gonna say quick break here at the top of
the hour when we come back. Joel Corey, CBS Sports
NFL Contracts and Cap Expert. Should the Texans sign c J. Stroud?
Would the Texans signed c J. Stroud and Will Anderson?
And how that's gonna impact cap for the Houston Texans.
That's coming up next here on Sports Talk seven nights is.
Speaker 4: The Matt Thomas Show with Ross. Hour number two of
The Matt Thomas Show.
Speaker 2: Ross Here on Sports Talk seven ninety Matt Thomas traveling
with the Rockets. He is out or he's in Atlanta
right now as they're licking their wounds from the loss
last night to the Spurs. Chris Gordy hanging out with
me right now, and we are pleased to be joined
by a previous guest on this show, although it has
been a while. Joel Corey is the CPS Sports NFL
Contracts and Salary Cap Experts. You can find him on
Twitter at Corey Joel That is Coe r R y Joel.
Appreciate the time as always, longtime no talk. Yeah, thanks
for having me back, all right, we do appreciate it,
all right, So let's go ahead and get right into it.
We'll Actually I was talking with my coost before this,
like we were trying to figure out okay, so can
you explain?
Speaker 4: Both CJ. Stroud and Will Anderson are up for a
fifth year option.
Speaker 2: So the Texans I believe, have until May second, and
then after that they it's just a no go that
both of those guys could be free agents, which is
they're probably not going to let happen of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the rookie contracts are for four years. First
round picks have a fifth year option after the third season.
You have up until May second to go yes or
no for the fifth year option. The no brainer is
Will Anderson, they will pick up the fifth year option. CJ. Stroud,
I know the last two games were horrendous, but his
body of work over the three years and the price
of the fifth year option suggests they will pick that up.
So they will not be free agents after the twenty
twenty sixth season if they both end up continuing to
playunder their rookie deals.
Speaker 4: All right, let's start with Will Anderson, then we'll get
to the fun one with CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud. It seems pretty obvious. I mean, first team All Pro,
twelve sacks career high. Not only that the opposite of CJ. Stroud,
and that Stroud wasn't very good in the playoffs. Will
Anderson was completely dominant in the playoffs. So we expect
some sort of mega deal to be happening. And I
had your article that I was reading as I said,
you expect him to maybe kind of in a way
reset the market as far as edge rushers and how
hard are the Texans going to push for trying to
get something done before that May second deadline.
Speaker 5: Well, he's a guy that should be your top priority.
Last year with Derek Stingley junior, they got that thing
done so early it was in March. They hadn't even
exercise the fifth year option. So if i'm Will Anderson,
I'm like, hey, this is the president you set with
all Pro defensive players who are first team All pros
in their third year. I want the same type of
treatment in terms of timing and what you did rutive
to the marketplace corners first, Stanley Obviously edge rushers for
Anderson with me, So yeah, he's gonna try to reset
the non quarterback market. I expect there to be some
pushback from the Texans given how much that are escalated
last year. This time last year, the highest paid edge
rusher was Nick Bosa at thirty four million per year.
Now it's Michael Parsons at forty six and a half
million per year. Wow, that's almost a thirty seven percent increase.
That's practically unheard of, So they may want to slot
him in kind of like the Texans did not the Texans.
The Lions did with Aiden Hutchinson, who came in at
forty five million per year, did not top Michael Parsons,
and that deal was done in the middle of twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 4: Do you kind of look at this Joe with it?
Speaker 11: And they have Daniel Hunter still very much in the
middle of his prime and playing fantastic for him, But
obviously he's at a high dollar value. But this will
be basically the last year of his deano. They added
a couple of void years, but uh, do you kind
of look at it, as a capologist says, Okay, the
Will Anderson big money starts up as soon as the
Danil Hunter money comes off the books.
Speaker 4: Kind of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the where you're going to structure it that
the cap number is not going to take a huge
jump for a couple of years. But Hunter's interesting that
she brought him up. He's gonna be thirty two during
the middle of the next season. He's not showing any
signs of slowing down. If you let him play out
this year's deal, then he's he's walking because to franchise
him in twenty twenty seven, it's going to be a
little over thirty seven and a half million dollars and
that will happen.
Speaker 2: That kind of drives our point home about how I
mean this. You don't want to say they use the
word waste, but it was an elite all time Texans
defense and you just couldn't get anything out of the offense.
And then that leads us to CJ. Stroud. Of course,
the headliner. The offensive line was bad, the running game
was bad. You had Nico Collins hurt in that Patriots
game as well, so it wasn't all CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud.
Speaker 2: But when you turn the ball over four times in
the in the first half before we get cut kind
out of the ends and ounces. As far as options
of contract, where do you think the Texans weigh that
Joel as far as the body of work to where
he by many metric qbr A quarterback rating, touchdown percentage,
interception percentage. In the regular season, he had a bit
of a bounce back season from a sophomore slump, but
then those playoffs happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Part of the problem is he had his best year
when he was a rookie, and you were thinking he's
on an upward trajectory and he hasn't had a year
like his rookie year since. And then you compound the
problem by having back to back two of the worst
playoff games I've seen for a quarterback in recent history.
It kind of rivaled with sam Donold did the last
week of the regular season last year and the playoff
game against the Rams last year, which he's definitely bounced
back from. But yeah, you don't want to be going
into the offseason potentially trying to get a new contract
off of that ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what are the options in for the Texas
right now as far as the fifth year option they
can do that? Do you think there is any possibility
they do some sort of extension where he's not getting
paid fifty sixty million dollars a year. David Mulligetta is
his agent, and we know he's a guy who's been
very good at getting quarterbacks paid.
Speaker 5: Well basically whatever position he has generally. But good luck
with that because mullagetto resented Deshaun Watson, who's the last
time in Texas did a big quarterback deal thirty nine
million per year at the time made Watson the second
highest paid player in the NFL. Granted, Watson was coming
off a much better year or two that the nineteen
as a third year player than Watson is now, but nonetheless,
Mullagetta is thinking, hey, let's look at the totality the circumstances,
not be prisoners of the moment, have recency bias. For
my three years body of work is better than Trevor
Lawrence is three years when they got paid. This is
what Mullagatta will probably be thinking. You're saying, if they
do top contract extension and Trevor Lawrence after a third
year where the Jaguars imploded down the stretch, missed the playoffs,
he didn't play at the same level he did in
the second year a made him in a tie with
Joe Burrow as the highest paid player five million per year.
Then shortly thereafter, Dave Mullagetta took Jordan Love, who had
one good second half of the season his first year
as a starter, played well in the playoffs. Ties those
two guys at fifty five million per year before Dak
Prescott tops everybody. So he's not gonna look at anything
besides one of these top of the market deals is
the key, Joel with a CJ.
Speaker 11: Stroude, as young as he is, still like if we're
talking long term contract extension, is the key higher aav
at like a four year deal as opposed to a
five or six year deal. Like how I'm just kind
of looking at some of the current contracts out there,
and Jordan Love at twenty five, like you just mentioned
fifty five million year, but four years, I wonder you know,
it feels like more teams are leaning towards that four
year deal as opposed to those five or six year deals.
Speaker 5: Well, typically teams want to lock up their best players
score as long as possible. And Love was a changing
of the guard because you had when Trevor Lawrence did
his deal, you were coming off a bunch of five
year deals Jalen Hurts five year extension, Lamar Jackson five
year deal as a franchise player. Then you had Joe
Burrow Justin Herbert got their done after the third or
both five year extensions, So that environment was five years.
So if Trevor Lawns wanted a four, all the data
pointed to a five, then you had Tua get a
four year deal. Jared Goff get a four year deal,
which allowed Jordan Love to go four. So this is
a case. If I'm the Texans, I would kind of
be looking at it from the standpoint that, yeah, if
we wait and CJ. Stroud has a career year, yeah
we're gonna pay more. But Kyler Murray be my cautionary tale.
His agent pushed to get a deal after three years,
and he's probably not gonna be with the Cardinals next year.
The Rams had buyer's remorse. Well, Jared Goff did his
after three years, and he took him to a Super Bowl.
At least got them he was the quarterback when they
weren't a Super Bowl, and Philly cut bait with Carson
Wentz pretty quickly after doing his rookiy contract after three years,
so because of how things have gone south, sometimes I
might be inclined to wait. Anderson's my top priority. If
have to pay more in the long run to be
sure that CJ is the guy, then I would have
more peace of mind doing that.
Speaker 11: Talking with Joel Corey on one of the best when
it comes to talking NFL contracts and salary cap been
doing a long time, of course, CBS. It is interesting though,
Joe the one of the big copics that came up
here in Houston after Stroud's less than stellar postseason is okay,
should should we pivot? And you look at what a
Sam Darnold's doing right now. Obviously he was a hired
assassin with Minnesota last year was very good, and now
he takes the Seahawks to the super Bowl. It is
interesting that concept of when you have your quarterback, you
feel like, oh, maybe we gotta pay this guy just
to keep him because we don't like the alternative. But
to your point, Kyler Murray, the cautionary tale, I mean,
Trevor Lawrence had the nice resurgent year this year, but
prior to this year, I think people were wondering as
should they have paid him?
Speaker 4: And then a TUA down in Miami. You look at
that situation and just comes Man, it feels like the
norm now is even if you're questions about this guy,
you pay him because you just don't know. It's better
than the alternative, which is the unknown.
Speaker 5: You get the nail on the head. Fairly unknown has
been driving a lot of quarterback decisions. And I'll use
one going back a few years at the time, eighteen
million per year. Believe it or not, it was a
lot for a quarterback. I forget exactly what year it was,
but Jay Cutler got an extension. Yeah, and it's like,
you really want to give Jay Cutler that type of money,
and that's what happened. So yeah, that factors in the equation.
But CJ. Stroud's really young, so you don't there's nothing
that says you have to do a quarterback extension at
the earliest possible instance. You can wait. Lamar Jackson ended
up being the rare quarterback who plays through the fifth
year option. Andrew luck back when he was considered a
franchise quarterback, didn't get a deal, which maybe and the
highest paid player until going into the fifth year options.
So you don't have to do the deal today, you
can exercise some caution. Let's say Stroud is starting to
play on the fourth year, the rookie contract starts lighting
it up early in the year, you may revisit it
then if you don't want to do it right now,
if the numbers of the David that I suspect David
Mullagata will be asking for.
Speaker 2: You know, we've also seen a situation where guys have
gotten let go. You mentioned Sam Darnold, I mean, Baker Mayfield.
We have Jared Goff was traded, but he wasn't thought
of as an elite guy with people did like.
Speaker 5: He was a throw in, and yeah, it was just
a matter of time before he was done in the Trent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's it's not like they thought that he was
gonna be so, I mean, it's it's interesting that the
dichotomy where you don't want to end up in that
situation where you cut bait with CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud and he thrives somewhere else.
Speaker 2: But also at the time when those guys came, they
weren't making sixty million dollars, so it kind of makes
it easier to build around that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you also have to think of the fact
that the cap has gone up since those guys signed,
so we're relative to cap inflation. I know the quarterback
market has gone haywire, but still sometimes that gets lost
in the equation. You have the fifth year option. It's
gonna be extremely reasonable costs for a starting quarterback. It's
not gonna be an elevated amount because that Pro Bowl
from Stroud's rookie year doesn't factor into increasing the costs.
He was not an original ballot Pro Bowler. So it's
gonna be the basically the average of the third through
twenty of highest paid quarterbacks. And I'm simplifying it a
bit for the option cost and depending and it's gonna
be The exact number depends on where the cap is set,
because it's express the percentage of the cap. But it's
gonna be roughly twenty five to twenty six million for Stroud.
That's a reasonable number for a quarterback as a salary.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 2: He is Joel Corey a great expert on NFL contracts
and the salary cap for CBS Sports. Joel, thanks for
the time, it's been too long. I'm sure we'll bother
you pretty soon with the CJ. Strouds situation as it
continues to develop it and just go ahead. Let the
folks know what you got going on the website and
where they can find your stuff.
Speaker 5: Okay, you can find it at cbssports dot com. I've
got an article out right now on fifteen notable veterans
who could either be traded or released. And then I
do an annual contract awards and that will come out tomorrow.
Speaker 4: All right, thanks a lot, Joel, appreciate the time. We'll
talk to you down the road.
Speaker 5: All right. Thanks for having me, guys, all right, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: There we go, great stuff with Joel Corey, fascinating stuff
where the Texans are probably just gonna have to wait
on CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud. I mean they are going to have to wait.
You can't sign him now.
Speaker 2: But I mean those names do scare me that we
mentioned Gordy, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff to a
lesser extent, Gino Smith. But Geno Smith was good with
the Seahawks a year ago before being a disaster.
Speaker 11: And the point is golf ended up. We're seeing the
best of golf in Detroit. We're seeing the best of
Sam Darnold now in Seattle, last year in Minnesota, Daniel Jones,
we're seeing the better version of in Indianapolis. So some
of these guys change the scenery helps, But you know,
do you want to take a gamble that you're going
to get one of those outcasts that improves down the
road as opposed to investing in your guy?
Speaker 4: But what if CJ's the next two? What if he's
the next Kyler Murray?
Speaker 2: And what if you want to cut bait with CJ.
Shroud and find that next guy? Mac Jones is a
name that' been floated. So a lot of stuff to
parse through here, especially as we said, bad offensive line,
bad run game. Inexperienced play caller Nico Collins was heard.
Eventually Dalton Schultz was heard in that game as well.
You had heard offensive line that was already bad, bad
situation for CJ. Shroud. Can he improved? All right, we'll
talk about that. We have other stuff to get to
as well. We get the news at noon coming up
at noon with Jonathan Allen. We have I just don't
get it coming up at eleven thirty, and we also
have your phone calls seven one three, two, one two
five seven ninety the phone number seven one three two
one two five seven ninety. Week one starter for the
Houston Texans September of twenty twenty seven is who Chris
Gordy September of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: That's c J. Stroud September of twenty twenty eight. Still
c J str Oh.
Speaker 13: I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that I made some gut feelings. I was
really down on c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2: I mean, the playoff games were so bad, so bad,
and you don't want to forget what they were in
the moment. I mean, you just really don't because they
were awful. And I don't know if I'm just I'm
just coping or if I'm looking for hope because I
am battle Red Ross and then I'm a Houston Texans fan.
But I say it because it's true, running game awful.
What did Woody Marks have like seventeen yards on fourteen
carry something like that?
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 11: You gotta be fair. Look, drag May's up and play
played great thist postseason.
Speaker 5: He has not.
Speaker 4: His team has picked him up. And as good as
the defense played, you know, some other guys could have
done some other things to pick their guy up.
Speaker 11: Now, drag May wasn't throwing interceptions like crazy like c J.
Stroud was that day. But it's why I go back
to like home field matters. I don't think Stroud plays
that bad if that game is at an RG, I
just don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was two road playoff games, damn man, just
just two bad disasters.
Speaker 4: And and the Nico Collins.
Speaker 11: I mean, Collins's over there right, He's one of the
best receivers.
Speaker 4: No running game, No Nico Collins on the road, his
seattle here of Jackson's myth and Jake the has to
miss a game.
Speaker 2: That's what I keep going. What if what if we
we like went into a warp time warp and CJ.
Stroud starts this game. I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Now, if we flip them, probably probably the Seahawks lose.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Yeah, Seahawks lose to the not to
the forty nine of the Rams. But if we put
Sam Darnold and into this situation with no offensive line,
no top weapons, no running game, and a play caller
who's calling a second ever playoff game, I yeah, Texans
probably lose that game too. Now, I don't think he's
gonna throw four interceptions. But also, if you play that
game with CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud ten times, he's not gonna throw four interceptions ten times.
That was about the worst possible outcome, man, And that's
what's kind of so hard to kind of wrestle with
with sports, because we've seen it. The Rockets played on
January twentieth against the Spurs. The fourth quarter they looked great.
Wimby was terrible, shot five to twenty one. Then literally
eight days later he looks like a superstar. He had
zero block shots, by the way a wee can change ago.
Last night he's got five block shots, sixteen rebounds. He's
getting in the line like crazy. Rockets do a good
job of being him up quite frankly and then keeping
him under thirty points. But it's completely different.
Speaker 2: So the Rockets and Spurs played two different times in
the same building and two different outcomes, Like it can
happen that if the Patriots and Texans played ten times,
it'd be ten different outcomes.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we just had to happen.
Speaker 2: We had to see what probably was, if not the worst,
at least the probably the second worst outcome.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I again, I just I think the mission for
this team needs to be one the obvious. You can't
start the season zero and three. You can't dig yourself
that big of a hole. And as good as they
played down the stretch of the season and got hot
and all that, man, just to know that two more
wins your way, you have home field and I isn't everything,
but it is. It matters, particularly in those playoff games
in January.
Speaker 2: Particularly when you have a bad offensive line who needs
to be better at communicating.
Speaker 11: I mean, look, people were was the big topic this week.
People were bringing up all we played these playoff games
and domes. They're just too important. They're too important for
the Texans playing in a controlled environment like anergy.
Speaker 4: I think matters. Yeah, and you go back to it Ross.
Speaker 11: I mean that stupid Tampa game you should have won,
you know, like how that game played out, you lose
by one. Yeah, but there's a lot of games you
should The game against Denver you probably should.
Speaker 2: Stroud didn't get hurt especially uh yeah, but you could
have easily lost the Jaguars Davis Mills.
Speaker 4: The opener, you were one play away from possibly win
of that game.
Speaker 2: Bill's game, they could have lost easily Rams game. They
I'm not Rams Rams game they did lose. I'm talking
about the Jaguars game, So yeah, it can go either Raiders,
they could have lost tough. They try to give that
game up. They try to yack up that Chargers game too,
getting up fourteen. I think they were just a one
score game type of team and things didn't unfortunately swing
their way. But you have a situation where in Carolina,
like they built around Bryce Young, they got him, Ted McMillan,
they drafted xavierly Get, they got some offensive linemen in
the building. You got Chewba Hubbard and Rico Dowdell. Like
they they they're giving him the best opportunity to try
and be successful over there in Carolina. So I just
think you'd like to see something similar here, especially starting
with the offensive line and then going with the run
game as well.
Speaker 11: The realities of this is you needed two more wins.
If you had beaten Denver and you had beaten pick
any of those other games, Tampa or whoever, you're fourteen
and three and you're probably you have home field, and
we're talking about playoff, the playoffs running through NRG.
Speaker 4: To me, that is the goal.
Speaker 11: If you can get to that, that's where you control
your destiny. I feel like this team would be playing
for the super Bowl right now if if they had
had home field throughout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's un Fordre all right, Stephen in Port. Let's
get him real quick ahead of a break we have.
I just don't get it coming up next? What's up Stephen?
Speaker 5: Oh Steven?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, hello, my friends.
Speaker 14: There we go.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 3: Longtime listener.
Speaker 8: First, I know I've called before, Cordy. It's actually great
to hear you on.
Speaker 14: I just wanted to talk a little bit about I
wanted to cool my head a little bit on the
Stroud because I was so mad for.
Speaker 8: A couple of weeks there.
Speaker 14: But so I don't understand why so much of this
blame is being tossed on him when the interior line
was terrible versus the Patriots, And I'm just.
Speaker 8: Wondering, what the what do you guys think about our.
Speaker 14: Off season projections as far as getting some veterans in
on the interior line, Jake Andrews, he didn't do it
for me.
Speaker 8: I don't think he does it for thirty one other
in starting teams either. Basically, I just want to give.
Speaker 5: My props to DJ.
Speaker 8: I think he was trying to do too much.
Speaker 14: I think I don't think he was fully healed from
that concussion.
Speaker 8: I think he was in his own head.
Speaker 14: But he's got the talent, and I don't think they
should break the bank on him, but I think they should.
They should extend him in some fashion, and I think
they should do it sooner than later so they can
do it at a at a lower amount.
Speaker 8: And I just want to see what you guys thoughts
are on that, And that's.
Speaker 2: That's that it all right, Thank you, Steven. Yeah, they
they could. Look they were kind of what they did
with Nico Collins. They're like, the breakout's coming with Nico Collins.
So let's get ahead of this. Let's get him at
a good market price where we're betting that we are
going to win on this deal.
Speaker 4: And that worked for the Houston Texans. Yeah, I just
I just don't see that willing to take a discount
like that's just not likes to get paid.
Speaker 2: We had Joel Cory on at the top of the
hour and he mentioned like Davi's gonna be saying, hey,
look at this Lawrence deal, look at this other deal,
look at these other deals, like the we need to
get paid and if.
Speaker 4: They hit the market.
Speaker 11: Nobody's talking about Stroud's struggles like his campus going.
Speaker 4: Man, did you see this guy's rooky air?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 11: Man, see how young this guy. He's only gonna get better.
He's only gonna get better.
Speaker 2: Like I expect his fifth yeah, his fifth year option
to get picked up, and then if he has a
good year next year, they'll try to work out an extension.
That's that's kind of how I expect it to play
out at this point. But the situation about around him
was horrible.
Speaker 4: There is no denying that.
Speaker 11: Are you real quick on the the out outdoor atmosphere
and snow and all that? You think we should push
for more dome games.
Speaker 2: I guess Mike Florio wants neutral site games like in Miami,
New Orleans and all that stuff for the championship games.
Speaker 11: I'll say this, it's not crazy because we do it
with the with the super Bowl, and there's a reason
why the super Bowl sites are always Miami. Yeah, we
say football, but when it comes to that, Mason Dixon,
unless you got a dome like the Kings, right or Yeah,
you get a new stadium built and you have a dome,
So I I think it's fun for the spectacle, Like
if the Texans were in that game, I'd be pissed,
since it was Broncos Patriots, and I didn't care.
Speaker 4: I thought it was entertaining. And like the the they're
punting the ball as a doom.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a truck ramming into the stadium when
they're punting the ball and everybody's and the guy's getting
high fives for punting at thirty yards.
Speaker 4: It was crazy, man, But I think it's fun for
the spectacle of it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you want actual, good, best football, you
could possibly do something with the neutral side. I think
Matt Thomas said that no way, no chance on how
that would ever happen. I think if you get money involved,
I will never doubt. I will never try to short
change the greed from NFL owners, and it would be
better football.
Speaker 5: It would all right.
Speaker 2: Quick break here on the Tomas Show with Ross. You
have something in your life or in sports that you
just don't get.
Speaker 9: What is that?
Speaker 2: Why is that happening? I don't understand why this is
so popular. I don't understand why this keeps happening. You
can bring it to the table seven one three, two,
one two five seven ninety is the phone number. Seven
one three two one two five seven ninety. What don't
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Speaker 1: Do you have something in.
Speaker 15: Your life that you just don't get No need to worry,
no need to press. We will just does the topics.
Just see if we comprehend the things that they can
use our friends.
Speaker 3: It's time to stay.
Speaker 4: I just don't get it, all right, It's that time
of week.
Speaker 2: Do you have something in your life or something that
you see, or something in the sports world or something
outside of the sports world that's not top politics though,
that you just don't understand. You don't get it. Why
does this keep happening? Why is this so popular? Bring
it to the table, tell us why don't you get it?
Seven one three or you don't get it, We'll tell
you if we get it or we don't. Seven one three,
two one two five seven ninety is the phone number
if you want to get in a seven one three
two one two five seven ninety. Gordy, since you are
a guest, I will throw to you first, what is
something that you just don't understand?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 11: The first one is the eleven morons that voted not
to put Bill Belichick into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I will say, well, we don't even know if it's eleven.
I wonder do we ever get a new We just
know that it was calculated. It was fifty voters, and
eleven of them had to I thought, because well, I
thought it was at least eleven because he had to
make he had to make eighty percent, and he not.
That's what did somebody like to try to try to
figure it out.
Speaker 11: Oh, there's somebody who's been running a list of the voters,
and and he's got a list of the positive you know,
the people that that have affirmed on social media or
whatever that they definitely voted for him, one of them
being John McClain.
Speaker 4: He has outed himself as a four Bill BELLI that's good.
I I will say that I get it. I would look,
if I had to vote, I'm voting Bill Belichick in yes,
Like that's the easiest of easiest things.
Speaker 11: And it just it gets stupid over the whole the
spy gate, the flay gate, even if you think that
that was a little bit of an edge, I'm sorry,
did they didn't win Super Bowls because of spy game?
Speaker 4: I just I don't think so either. But you still
cheated if you cheat the game.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's getting banned from the Hall of
Fame if I said you got if I said, hey,
a head coach got a draft pick taken from his
organization and was fined five thousand dollars and so he
had to wait for one year penance and to get
in the Hall of Fame. That to me doesn't seem
that crazy. I think it's because Spygate was so long ago.
If it was like five years ago and it was
the same exact offense, it would be fresher on everyone's
mind and it would make a lot more sense because
I'm with you. Like when I first saw it, I
was I saw JJ Watt, this is unbelievable, Tom Brady,
I can't bah my god. I got Pat Mahomes whoever else,
And I was like, yeah, I was with him. I
have my pitchfork out.
Speaker 4: I was ready.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I read about oh the spy I even
forgot about Spygate.
Speaker 4: She probably people holding grudges about that, but it's.
Speaker 11: Just it's it's I get over it. Like he's the
greatest coach of all time. But it's the same thing
with Barry Bond, Like I go back to Barry Bonce,
Barry buonce was the greatest football player of all time,
your grace hitter of all time, even if you take
out the steroids. So I just feel like he deserves
to be in regardless, Bond should be in the Baseball
Hall of Fame, and then Bill Belichick again when nobody's
won as many super Bowl Like, just he deserves to
be in first ballot.
Speaker 2: I don't care what your opinion is on Yeah, all right,
I will go next. I'm gonna go with a football one.
I don't get why these NFL owners are not learning.
Every year there's more and more and more head coaches fired.
I mean, are we that caught up and looking for
the next best thing? Where Sean McDermott, I mean you
have you had ten vacancies out of thirty two, ten vacancies.
Raiders still haven't hired a coach, Cardinals still haven't hired
a coach.
Speaker 4: What are these owners? Who are these owners that are
thinking I need the next best thing.
Speaker 2: I have to fire my coach so fast and they're
getting fired so quickly now to where you end up
scrambling like the.
Speaker 4: Raiders and the cardinal. You're getting the tenth best candidate.
You're the Cleveland Browns. Oh, we're all smart. We're gonna
fire Kevin Stevanski, two time AP Coach of the Year,
who has a dominant def and you're giving him Shador
Sanders and Dylan Gabriel at quarterback. You fire him for
Todd Munkin. Is Todd Munkin an upgrade of Kevin Stefanski.
I don't think there's a person on the planet that
thinks that the thing. When are these owners gonna learn
that just moving on to the next best thing is
not always the greatest idea. It's like they're a teenager
in the dating world going to girlfriend after girlfriend after girlfriend, Like,
come on, man, be adults here. I don't get how
this has gotten so out of hand. I'll throw you
on more NFL retreads. I don't get it.
Speaker 11: Why is one man's trash another man's treasure. It always
happens to start. Robert Sala sucked as a head coach
with the Jets, but the Titans went, no, man, there's
something there, and then fast forward. Let me give you you,
Let me give you a headline two and a half
years from now, Yes, Robert Sala fired as Titans head coach.
Speaker 2: Now the biggest red tread we can think of. We've
mentioned earlier in this segment.
Speaker 5: At check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fired with the Browns, and he was great with
the Patriots. But I would I'm trying to think of
who else say.
Speaker 4: It's more missus than it's my party going to the Steelers? Oh,
my god, exactly the Steelers. Well, now, the Steelers didn't.
Speaker 2: Fire Mike Tomlin, so I can give them a I
can give a bit of a nudge a pass on
that he was let go. Who is the second most
successful even are currently head coach?
Speaker 4: Now, Kyle Shanahan's only been with the Niners, right, I
know he bounced around as that offensive coordinator. Oh, Dan
Quinn with the Commanders a nice year one. If you
have backwards hat guy as your NFL head coach, I'm
a little bit wary of that.
Speaker 2: Would you say that Mike Rabel retread? But he shouldn't
have been fired with the Titans?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: Would you say Gary Kopiak with the Broncos crowd, they
won a Super Bowl? Now, they didn't win it because
of his great offensive game plan and they had an
all time dominant defense where Warrd Phillips winning Super Bowl
with Gary I'll give you the best retread, what Andy Reid.
That's gotta be going, Yeah, there's so yeah, it can work.
Speaker 11: But I would say, but I'm saying more the retread
of you sucked the first time as a head coach,
Sean Payton get hired fired, No, he retired with the singers, right, Okay.
I'm just saying with the guys that clearly failed as
a head coach and then they go back as a
d C or at OC and they're good again, and
then they go, ah, what are we missing?
Speaker 2: This guy needs to be our head coach. Yeah, well
he sucked the first time. McCarthy is the prime example
of that, I think. I mean, there's no way that
works out.
Speaker 4: I mean Stefansky had what one good year in Cleveland?
He was coaching the year twice he had two good years.
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 11: My buddies who were Saints fans are like Robert or uh,
Stefanski is the Falcons coach.
Speaker 2: Doesn't scare me. I think he's good. I think he's
a really good offensive game planner. I think, yeah, like
I said, two times, he won the coach of the
Year in twenty twenty and twenty twenty three with the Browns.
Speaker 4: Oh, here's some other retreads that never worked. Jeff Fisher.
Speaker 2: Oh, hey, come on, Manvy Smith. Hey, that was they
were just looking for a name, didn't they. Did they
pivot from David to the Levee Smith when it was
when they were the Josh McCown stuff was going down?
Or was that when they pivoted to David Keully. I
can't recall. I'm gonna throw up. That was actually a
very dark era of the Texans. I don't eve want
to talk.
Speaker 4: David Kelly gets another head coaching out. He is on
the ranch. Oh, he's getting interviewed somewhere. Did they get
he got out with the Raiders, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Somebody new now you had to fire old man Pete Carroll.
I mean you were wheeling them up to the stadium
for goodness sakes.
Speaker 4: Why you know John Gruden, Let's just put his name
back out there. Yeah, David Cully is out chilling. And
what was that TI I'm trying to pull up that
high school he was coaching at Nashville somewhere. Yeah, I
can't remember. Yeah, White County.
Speaker 5: I'm in.
Speaker 2: I'll buy White County High School sitting on his buyout
cash to carry him.
Speaker 4: Remember a few years ago, people were there last Jim
Caldwell's name again. Can we oh my god, like, why
do we do this?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: I don't know?
Speaker 4: And here's it's exacerbary even more.
Speaker 14: Ross.
Speaker 11: If you take a year off and go do media,
your name gets hot again, You're fired NFL head coach.
Speaker 4: Go do media for a year, your name will pop
up again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Salah McCarthy, Harball, Jeff Haffley, Todd Mounkin, Joe Brady elevated,
you have Jesse mentor Kevin Stefanski, and then you have
two vacancies.
Speaker 4: That's ten new head coaches next year at a thirty two.
I like John Harball.
Speaker 11: But Ross, if I made you put one thousand dollars
right now, will John Harball make the playoffs as the
head coach of the Giants for the next five years?
Speaker 2: Would you go make the playoffs five years? Yes, win
a championship? Still tell no, I would say odds are no, honestly, Yeah.
It feels a little lit like John Harball the game
passing by a little bit. Same thing from Tomlin so
seven and ten good leader of men type coaches.
Speaker 11: Football five hundred. But they just miss a wild cart spot,
like I could see that.
Speaker 4: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a good coach, he's got time, he's
not that old. Was he in his sixties? So uh,
we'll see with John.
Speaker 11: Said like I'd rather I like the Joe Brady higher Yeah. Shoot,
I like Todd Mulkin, Like take a chance on somebody
first time head coach.
Speaker 4: As a post of the.
Speaker 2: Retreads, Yeah, all right, Jonathan, we forgot to get not forgot.
We didn't have time. We ran out of time to
get yours.
Speaker 4: Jonathan.
Speaker 2: We'll get you when we come back. You guys want
to get in? What is something you just don't get?
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Speaker 4: Don't you get?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: As you'll know, I'm gonna try, guy man. So real quick.
The reason why I did track and why I fell
in love with the.
Speaker 2: Sports school record holder SFA folks, all right, put some
respect on his name.
Speaker 4: Well, just hit me out.
Speaker 10: And the reason why I do this and I love
track in just the Olympics in general, is because of
what athletics is supposed to be. It's supposed to be
the great Like as a human, you are doing something
that no one else has done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's why I sports. You're excelling at that, right,
So the pushing the humans limits.
Speaker 10: And so with the football and all these sports being
relatively new to you know, old running, throwing, whatever, whatever,
you have, integrity you have to uphold. So when it
comes down to Lam's armstrong doing peds, performance handy drugs,
gets all his Olympic mails tooken away.
Speaker 9: Uh huh.
Speaker 10: If Michael felts to do the same thing, everything's getting
taken away. If you same bolt did the same thing,
he would not be known as the fastest man on Earth.
Football and football is coach, coach. You got your military
versus my military. We go out it see who's stronger,
who gets more points, but wins. If Belichick is the
one ruin his entigty and ruin an entigity of NFL.
He shouldn't even be sniffing the Hall of Fame. If
they really will about it, you can be upset with it,
but I just don't understand the point of oh, because
he won this many things. No, this is the WWE,
this is supposed to be the NFL, one of the
greatest sports in the world. The same with MLB. MLB
they're doing steroids. Oh Barry Bonds. Oh yeah, he's a
cool spectacle. But are you even an athlete at that point?
Are you really a human, god given athlete? You're not
at that point. You are trying to rit the game,
and in.
Speaker 4: Itself it's distasteful. And I see why those people didn't
vote again, And that's what I just don't get.
Speaker 2: You don't get why he shut Yeah, look, I get
why people are like, oh, upset, But now Gordy's talking
about this guy who's like he's on a witch hunt.
Speaker 4: This guy's like, all right, I have a chop counting
up all the public votes who didn't vote for Bell Belichick.
Right now, I just say, put your name on it.
If you're gonna have the balls to go.
Speaker 5: Make him.
Speaker 4: Wait a year.
Speaker 2: I think I think Jonathan makes a good point where
to where if you get if you get a stain
where Pete you took pds once.
Speaker 11: How much of a stain was on they sent some
cameras to an opposing price. Well, it was a major scandal.
Take a little bit forget ball. It was a mass
It was a massive national story.
Speaker 4: They had a draft pick taken away, had a draft
pick taken away, and you get fined five hundred thousand dollars.
The biggest they won a Super Bowl because of spy games.
Speaker 10: I didn't say that, but think about the history, as
he said, thirty years on the line. Let's say that
said thirty years on the line, and we go, okay,
who's all the fames?
Speaker 4: And you go to Belichick.
Speaker 11: Oh wait, He's give you a little spoiler, Jonathan. The
Steelers of the sixties and seventies were all popping royds.
There are guys in the Hall of Fame that took steroids.
Speaker 4: So like, that's true. We can't get high Horse in
twenty twenty six and be like, whoa, you're not taking
him out of the high You're not getting on a
high horse. He's getting in the Hall of fame that
he's not banned for life. He's gonna get in there.
Bill says, I couldn't hear over all these rings. No
one will ever have that many super Bowl rings. Nobody,
nobody's gonna talk to nobody's even gonna talk about this
in ten years.
Speaker 2: It's a one year penance. He gets held out of
he gets held behind the velvet rule. They didn't let
him in the club for one hour. All right, hey,
you're not on the list. No, no one should ever
be first ballot ever, that's ridiculous. Alright, ballot, no one is.
Speaker 4: No he is, he should be, But who can.
Speaker 11: Don't come to me with Tony Dungee or Sean Payton
or any these other morons.
Speaker 4: No one should ever be.
Speaker 2: Why Why do two words make it so much that
much of a difference. He's not gonna put they put
that on your gold jacket, first ballot. I don't think
it's it's that big of a deal to.
Speaker 4: You, Gordian.
Speaker 10: If there's another coach says to go win eight super
Bowls just like Bellot today, but no scandal at all.
Shouldn't he be a But I'm just saying, if this
is a hypothetical if that happens, and shouldn't he be
more first ballot, then no, this is.
Speaker 11: Gonna be some dumb ass voter that puts himself on
a solo thinks his opinion matters. He's gona well, I
think you should have to wait. Y'all bring the same
energy when jose Al Tuove's got to sit around and
waits like, well, nol Tuve didn't take part in.
Speaker 4: The cheating, but he let it happen.
Speaker 2: First of all, yeah, those are apples and oranges because
it was a it was a team driven, scheme driven scandal.
If we're talking about aj Hinch being held out for
a year if he ever makes the Hall of Fame,
I wouldn't be shocking. We're talking about Alex Korra absolutely
should be held back. He did two cheating scandals.
Speaker 4: With two twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Josel Tuve was part of a player driven uh scheme
and did not participate in it.
Speaker 4: But also, I will say on the same token, I know,
I mean, oh yes, he did. It took him a
long time. I want to orchestrate it. So if jose
Al Tuve, if I know, we're gonna get our pitchforks
out here, in Houston, and you're gonna say, I don't
get it, Josel.
Speaker 2: Tuve needs to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna tell you, because
I just have to be unbiased. I have to be myself.
Speaker 4: I would get it. I would get it. I would
vote him in. I don't get a vote. I would
have voted Bill Belichick in. I don't get a vote.
That's where I am on it.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: We do have tick quick break here on the Matt
Thomas Show with Ross here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Matt Thomas is out as he is with the Houston
Rockets in Atlanta. Chris Gordy, appreciate you hanging your hanging.
Speaker 4: Out a little bit later. Are you bouncing on this?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 4: He's got it. He was very busy guy, like fifteen
minutes to get too. That's okay.
Speaker 2: And Will and Adams show up at one o'clock. I
asked both of them, and then I got a bunch
of like silent looking why don't you do it?
Speaker 4: No, maybe you should do it.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: Will there be an Adam at one o'clock. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can handle it, and that means you
guys can come in and be a co host for
a couple of minutes. You want to talk some ball
with me. We got the Bill Belichick thing people are
still fired up about. Is Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4: Getting slided the greatest travesty in football history? Or he's
gonna be fine. He's wait a year.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: You know what, Go hang out in Kane Kun with
your girlfriend. All right, go figure out how to lose
more games North Carolina. You've got yet stuff to do
with his time. He didn't have to be in Canton
in August or whatever. All right, So we're talking about that.
Rockets collapsed against the Spurs last night. We got other
NFL stuff going on as well. We had an interesting
conversation with Joel Corey talking about CJ. Stroud and Will
Anderson's extensions. Anything you guys want to get to. Phone
lines are wide open for you. Seven one three two
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Speaker 4: Twelve oh three in h Town. What's happening in lunch timers?
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome in to our number three of The
Matt Thomas Show with Ross without Matt Thomas, but it's
with Ross. I'm here hanging out solo for this hour
and perhaps more. We shall see as we go along.
Phone lines are open. Two one, two five seven ninety
is the number if you'd like to get in. Seven
one three two one two five seven ninety. We've been
talking about Bill Belichick. I do uh, I have put
a tweet out at Sports RV. We're gonna talk about
that in the next segment.
Speaker 4: It made me laugh. Uh what I saw.
Speaker 2: I screenshot at it. I did a little Google searching
and I screenshot at it. You can check that out
on my Twitter at Sports RV. So we have some
Belichick stuff to get to. Of course, the Rockets collapsed
last night. What else is going on in the sports
and news including those things. That's where we turned to
a Jonathan Allen for the News.
Speaker 12: Noon.
Speaker 4: What's up, Jonathan? Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: I know, it was a really good point by you
to to put make the players, uh be holding to
the same standards. I mean I saw the coaches to
the players because I mean it was a major scandal.
They got a draft pick taket all that timee and
he's still going to get in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Exactly, And I just feel like it's being old Belichick,
you know what I mean. I know I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I'm with yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, Blake, We'll get to you in a second.
But right now, we got the news at noon with
Jonathan Allen. What are the top sports news items of
the day.
Speaker 10: Jonathan all right, let's get the way Rockets fall down
to San Antonio one eleven to ninety nine, getting completely
taken over in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: If you watch the game, you know what happened.
Speaker 10: E May wasn't really too hot about the defense, and
he's been the screen about this all season long.
Speaker 4: Just not don't get stagnant. We still have to keep playing.
Speaker 9: And regardless of who's setting the screen to I'll be
considered with the small and good advantage with Kevin those
guys and vice versa. Man got to be a handler
and move around and screen handle, do a little bit
of both, and I don't think we were setting good
screens for our men. He would just go underneath and
didn't get much out of that, and then opera and
they kind of pushed him off the block won't be flooded,
and and we didn't get anything there on the elbow.
You know, surprised we didn't get better at positioned with Albi.
Speaker 4: So talk to me.
Speaker 10: He's the basketball guy. Man, What's what's going on, dude?
Off the halftime, Okay, everything was gonna be good. Yeah,
you went to sleep. It was a fourteen. It was
the good, good thing. You went to sleep. You'd have
to watch that disaster. I want to claw my eyes
out in the Toyota Center. That offense was so bad
four of twenty three in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it
was the It was the defense of Wimby guarding a men.
You have the five on the one, but sagging off
of them because you don't have to respect Amen Thompson's
three point shooting. So that allows Wimby to sag off
and not allow the driving lanes for Amn Thompson. That
allows him to help off of Amen Thompson because you don't.
It clogs up to spacing.
Speaker 2: You can leave if Amn Thompson's in the perimeter to
try to space things out to let Kevin Durant or
outpry Ching Goon operate in the elbow or in the paint,
then you don't have to Wimby can be there because
he doesn't have to guard Amn Thompson at the three
point line. Then it's a five on four situation. So yeah,
Rockets were not doing a great job adjusting to that.
And then you also had some switching defenses on the
outprinching Goon and Kevin Durant actions that they were running
and Stefan Castle, by the way, Wimby is the headliner
of why this defense worked for the San Antonio Spurs,
But Stefan Castle did a great job of being physical
and beating up on Alprin Shangoon, who who he should
be able to handle and score over. But Shangoon. I
had the fourth quarter stats. I think it was what
they were combined, one of sixteen or whatever it well,
two of sixteen. I think maybe in the fourth quarter.
You had all of them not performing well. In the
fourth quarter of that game. They completely collapsed and it
was bad offense from everyone, but especially from who are
supposed to be your big three. Kevin Durant, Amen Thompson,
Alprin Shangoon are supposed to be your big three. None
of them could get anything going in that fourth quarter.
And the Rockets. They just lost the game. It's not
like the Spurs scord like twenty seven. It wasn't anything crazy.
But when you have Durant one of four, Shangoon Ozero
of five and the Men one of seven, Yeah, you're
not gonna get going.
Speaker 4: What else is in the news.
Speaker 10: Uh, I don't know if you saw our friend Chandla
Rome for the Athletic had gave his astros projected twenty
twenty six lineup, and I just want to really yeah,
so I did not see that. Yeah, it was a
couple of hours ago. Starting off, he's got Pina, of course,
I'll tovey. Yeah, where's he at?
Speaker 4: Second?
Speaker 10: Okay, Alvarez, I'm going in order, by the way, this
is start Alvarez uh huh, Correa Diz yes, Walker yes,
Smith okay, Cole huh.
Speaker 4: And then Myers okay, so Zach Colon left, Jake Myers
in center, m catches being Diaz and Salazar's that means
no esac paradus. He I'm I'm I don't know. I'm
just I'm.
Speaker 2: I understand that. Certainly for opening day it makes sense
you gotta give them a shot. But having eastak paradis
is one of your top three hitters. I'm sorry. I
love jose Al Tuovey the history, but Eastech Paratus at
this point in their careers is a better hitter than him.
And Jeremy Penne and Jordan Alvarez are yord On is one. Obviously,
I'm probably putting pain to Payne or Parade is number two.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 10: This is gonna be a it's gonna be fun. This
is gonna see it fun. How to see this works out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes around that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And in that article, as you said, from Channel Room
of the Athletic, Houston's infield surplus seems untenable. It's uh
not Corey Channeler Room quite the word Smith. By the way,
he's worth the He's worth the price. I literally only
subscribe to the Athletic for channeler Rome. So a high
compliment to mister Rome. He's such a great writer. It
does such a great job covering the Houston Astros, really does.
I wish they would get beat writers every day, beat
writers for the Rockets and the Texans, but they don't
because they gotta pay Ken Rosenthal's salary.
Speaker 4: But that's fine.
Speaker 2: But anyways, Uh, great coverage is always from Channel Room there,
and yeah, I logically, hey, Christian Walker is your first baseman.
He's a Gold Glove caliber first base. Like, I don't
know how you can stick keep estock praise his stick
out of the lineup consistently. It just doesn't make sense
long term. But that that is certainly interesting. Jake Myers
and center Zach cole In left for the Astros, says.
Speaker 4: Chandler. Rum what else you got uh have? As well?
Speaker 10: Just some laid back Texans news from Jonathan and Alexander
Alexander excuse me, uh, saying that Joe Mixon insists he
will return for the twenty twenty six season, which would
be amazing.
Speaker 2: But I mean John Alexander is saying that Jonathan and Alexander. Yeah, no,
that's okay, I mean he yeah, he's uh. I think
you know, yeah, Johnathan is.
Speaker 4: That some people don't like some Jonathans don't like that
his Twitter handle is John in Alexander, but I think, yeah,
he goes by Jonathan. But I think, you know, Jonathan
Alexander doesn't fit in a Twitter handle. It's a lot
of it's kind of wordy, a lot of characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry you know from
Jonathan to Jonathan, I will call him Jonathan.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you say that, Joe Mixon. Say that again.
Speaker 10: Joe Mixon in sixty will return for the Texans twenty
twenty six season.
Speaker 4: Did Nicko exist that? Does he know he's getting? You know,
it's eight million dollars off the cap if they get
rid of him.
Speaker 10: I'm finding I'm finding topics. I'm trying to give it
to you. I don't I'm I'm not sure if I
would believe that either.
Speaker 2: But I'm so a thirty year old running back coming
off of a major foot injury where it seems like
there was at the very least if he didn't shoot
himself in the foot.
Speaker 4: Literally, come on, Jonathan, there's no way that happened, right,
There's no way.
Speaker 5: I mean, what.
Speaker 4: It's like, very dark. It's been a widespread.
Speaker 2: Little bit, but that I mean, if somebody gets shot
in the foot and ends up at the hospital, people know,
right it's got then they get filed in a police
report somewhere.
Speaker 4: Hippolaws. Man, I don't know, I don't know. I don't
know because I mean, I'm staying with it because okay,
that's only well, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm right.
Speaker 2: It's only we only put a small bed on it
because Matt seems super confident. I'm gonna tell you a
little secret about Matt if sometimes he does get a
little inside information here and there that he was so
confident too, I know. So I'm telling you I'm a
little scared because Matt here's the whispering wins around Houston
a lot. Definitely give him credit on that, So I
could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm one hundred percent right.
That's why I only bet.
Speaker 4: Coffee on it. But it just seems insane that that
would happen. Yeah, but that's the news at noon.
Speaker 10: Not too much topics going on unless you got something
you consented to, folks.
Speaker 2: But all right, there you go, thanks for the news
at noon there, Jonathan. All right, Blake, we see you
on hold. We'll get some asstros stuff with you. You
guys want to get on hold, you can as well
as I'm flying solo right now, so.
Speaker 5: You wanna come hang out, don't give you the floor.
Speaker 4: Will be yours.
Speaker 2: We gave out that Chandler rome projected lineup that does
not have esoch paratus in there to start the season.
How are we feeling about that? We've been talking about
the rotation early on in the show as well. Of
course we've been talking about the Rockets lost to the Spurs.
I mean a lot of stuff going. It's supposed to
be the slow time of year, but hey, we are
humming on all cylinders here on The Matt Thomas Show
with Ross. Anything you guys want to get to seven
one three two one two five seven ninety is the
phone number seven one three two one two five seven ninety.
Ros Vria with you Jonathan Allen as well, flying solo
for the moment to The Matt Thomas Show with Ross.
Speaker 4: With no Matt Thomas but with Ross. I'm trying to
figure out O the way to make this like the
extreme even longer of a description of the show.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm here. You guys can send me a tweet
if you'd like at sports RV. I'd also appreciate a
follow on my Instagram at sports RV as well. I've
after neglect neglecting it for years, I've been trying to
build it up, so I would appreciate a follow, just
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I'll follow you back. Seven one three two one two
five seven ninety is the phone number if you want
to get in. Seven one three two one two five
seven ninety. We'll get to the Belichick stuff. A funny
Google search I did you can find on my Twitter
at sports RV. A couple of people in holding very patiently. Blake,
appreciate you holding through the break, Blake. The floor is yours.
Speaker 4: Hey, Ross, how you doing today? But I love the
show man, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It's a beautiful day to be alive
and I'm doing great man, Thank you.
Speaker 12: And my question is why do you think the Ashos
asked Jose Ltuve and Carlos Korea to not participate in
the World Baseball Classic.
Speaker 4: Now the Final? Now it came down.
Speaker 2: The first initial report from Brian McTaggart was that Jose
al Tuove was adhering to the wishes of the Houston Astros.
Then Chandler Rome broke his story that it was an
insurance issue for Carlo's Caorea he could not get his
contract ensured in case he got hurt. And then Chandler
Rome followed up with another report, saying that it also
was the case with Josel Tuve that he was unable
to get his contract insured in case there was some
sort of insurance issue. Here, I'll read I'll read you
the tweets that I was pulling them up here. Josel
Twove's absence from the WBC, which Brian McTaggert first reported
on Monday, is also due to insurance issues. Sources told
The Athletic that was Chandler Rome and then he also
said Carlo's career failed to.
Speaker 4: Receive insurance on his contract.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much of it was the
astros wishes how much of it was the contract issues,
but it's being reported that there were insurance issues for
both Carlos and Josel Tuve.
Speaker 4: Get I get you.
Speaker 12: And then one more question, man, how do you think
why do you think from Burvaldez hasn't been signed yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine it's just because he's average, He's
asking for a lot of money in a lot of years,
and he's thirty two. Look, there are a lot of
question marks, right, I mean, he opted out of the
qualifying offer which from Ervaldez as well within his rights
and should have done to go ahead and see the
market and at the worst one year, twenty one or
whatever million dollars would be what fromer Valdez would be
able to get there.
Speaker 4: Gordy brought it up. I don't know who this source.
So do you remember who? Gordy said?
Speaker 2: The San Francisco Giants were being floated as a possible
I forgot. I forgot, okay, so I would have to
go back and look around that. But fromer Valdez, there's
a number of factors working against him. Let's start with
the on the field. Well, I guess this stuff happened
on the field too, but you know what I'm saying
on the mound as far as throwing and all that stuff.
He's thirty two years old. He has been a workhorse
four straight years. He's been one hundred and seventy five
innings or more last four years thirty one, thirty one,
twenty eight, thirty one starts. I mean, that is a
workhorse that has been great. And the three of those
first four years at the caliber of finishing top ten
and the cy Young did not do it last year
and and slipped in terms of an era of three
sixty six, which is the highest he's had since his
second year in the league when he was twenty five
years old in twenty nineteen, So he had his worst
year he's had in four or five years. He has
piled up a whole lot of innings, so you're worried
about wear and tear. He is thirty two years old,
So do you want to hand a thirty two year
old a five six year contracting big money? And that's
what he's asking for. And that's all before we get
to the fact that he unraveled on the mound far
too often and he it looks like he got intentionally
crossed up with his catcher, saysar Salazar, and hit him
in the stomach. Now, both of them said that that
wasn't the case, even though Ateroids Frommer said, oh, it
was my mistake, you know, I got the wrong signal,
and then says Ar Salazar said, oh, it was my mistake.
I had the wrong Sinal was like, hey, both can't
be telling the truth. Somebody's gotta be lying here. So
I don't know who knows if there's more whispers around
the league about what happened or getting to the bottom
of that stuff, But I mean, it's it seems like
it would be a precarious situation, like do I want
to sign this thirty two year old too big money
who does have a lot of innings on his arm,
who also is prone to unraveling and then possibly being
a bad teammate.
Speaker 4: Do you think that took his stock that low after
he did that? Yes, it costs me a bet. Now
me and Matt didn't bet anything middle of the summer.
The middle of the summer, Robert is like rolling on
all cylinders. See this is I'm just cursed with bets
with Matt. I don't know, it's just not great. It
was like the middle of July. His era was under three.
Speaker 2: He had had like seven or eight really good starts,
ors like eight out of nine really good starts, and
then August happened.
Speaker 4: We made the bet. I was like, oh five over
five and a half years. Man, he's cruising.
Speaker 2: Then he completely unravels against Boston and he had that
horrible start in Detroit, and then I don't even remember
what started, was that he got crossed up with his catcher,
and it became national news. Like every every baseball content
creator on the planet, like Doug's Baseball podcast in des
Moines Iowa, like everyone was talking about it.
Speaker 4: Everyone is bad and that's bad PR.
Speaker 2: And whether you like it or not, PR matters when
you're handing a guy long term contract. So yeah, he
and I don't know who his agents are. I'm sure
asking for they're wanting six years or something like that,
but I don't know that it's being that people are
willing to give out those free agent contracts, and especially
not to fromer Valdez, who now we sit here on
January twenty ninth. He does not have a home. Reports
though that the San Francisco forty forty nine ers San
Francisco Giants are interested and fromer Valdez as a possible
landing spot. All right, let's keep going on the phone line.
Seven one three two two five seven ninety is the
phone number you want to get in. Seven one three
two one two five seven ninety. Broderick, next up?
Speaker 4: What's up? Broderick?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 1: Ross?
Speaker 7: I was about to call you mad, my bad bro,
but before I get into my rockets point like you
were saying, I wh I remember that game with Forever.
He was just man and he threw the ball left
to catch him, Like Bro, everybody saw it like, so, yeah,
that's enough about that though, still clip Crushhitty put to
the rockets. I think yesterday was the first time since
maybe his first year that I think I actually saw
me and like look hesitant as it pertained to winby.
Now my question, unless I was wrong, didn't Wiby have
like four files in the third quarter?
Speaker 4: Yeah? With nine minutes left in the fourth quarter he
had four files?
Speaker 5: So third quarter, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: So what I would say is we should have like
a men or anybody that should have tried to get
that Pheel filed, but they all backed up. But when
you got him on the ropes already at four files,
he's frustrated because we can see it. Try to get
that phel foul and get him out the game. So
that's pretty much what I was gonna say, is it
pertains to winby, but he did what he do? I
mean seven five?
Speaker 5: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 7: Shit? Go? I love you to death. I'm glad we
got you, but you can't be getting bullied by ste
fund Castle Like, no, he's too little, bro. You gotta
put him in the rim. If we watch you back
when be under the rim, you definitely can get closer
to the rim as it pertains to stefund Castle. So
we need you to not get mad because you're not
getting the car and force the official to make it call.
Speaker 4: Just keep going to the pret Yeah, you know, I'm sorry,
brod It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, man. It's it's it's I mean,
that fourth quarter was horrible. They couldn't get anything going.
As you said, Wemby, now I understand. Yeah, men maybe
could have gone more at him. He was a little
bit hesitant and and the rockets.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is, Broderick, that game, uh nine ten
days ago at TOYOTA'SA nobody was scared of Wimby. They
were going after him, and they did throw up a
lot of shots and they got but he started piling
up the blocks and it did seem like they got
in his mind. And they they were physical with him
for the especially the first half and a lot of
the third quarter. And Wimby was he was rattled, like
you said, he was falling all over the place.
Speaker 2: He was flopping and falling over the ground and Alprin shingoons,
throwing away, throwing spinning dunks while he's all on the floor.
Like they looked like the Rockets of Wimby, and then
something happened in that fourth quarter where it just it's
like he woke up or the Rockets fell asleep. I
don't know, man, it just seemed like a completely different
match up in that fourth quarter than the rest of
the game.
Speaker 7: And then they gambled a little bit more too in
the fourth quarter, because I saw when he may got
mad at Okogi. But not only that. It's like if
you White, well, you was at the Toyo Andersoner, so
you saw it. I don't know if you noticed it,
but what Harper had like three or four drives back
to back where he got down here, nobody was in
the paint. You gotta get back and protect the paint,
like Alpy. Okay, your shot got blocked on one end
and you didn't get the call. We don't have time
for you to complain.
Speaker 8: You gotta go.
Speaker 7: Somebody got even if it's not Appy, Hey, a me
and a Kogy whoever rotate to the to the to
the paint.
Speaker 3: That way, Harper can't get a free run at the paint.
I mean, little dude, the ring he was, he was
looking like a season vex in the fourth quarter. Get
to repeat it lay up after layup, like, come on, now,
we gotta do better.
Speaker 5: As a team.
Speaker 7: I have a lost pay.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lose pate.
Speaker 7: Just we need to play, like he may say, stay consistent.
We need to play at one way the whole time.
Whether your shots are follering or not, you still need
to get back and hustle. And it was pretty clear
that Alfie like he when he wouldn't making shots, he
wasn't getting back like simple as that kinter front running
like you said, he's spending all he got winby on
the floor. You're doing what you're doing, reverse dugs, you
puffing your chests out. We need that same energy all game,
whether you're making a shot or missing the shot. Your
job is to play with the same effort. So yeah,
we couldn't get nothing going. But our effort lacked in
that fourth quarter. And it's gotta start with the married people.
If this is when, if this is Alpi and supposedly
kd T Alpi, you gotta go, bro you gotta go.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, thanks all for y'all, man, Thank
you Broder, I appreciate it. Yeah, look, everybody, there's a
lot of blame to go around. In that fourth quarter.
Nobody was good. I mean, the offense is so bad.
You want Kevin Durant to get more than four shots.
He was only one of four. A men Thompson one
of seven, like he was trying to get up some shots,
but they were going with the five on one defense,
as in the center on the point guard and sagging
him way off and then Daringham like a men Thompson.
I think the one bucket he scored, I think it
was over Luke Cornett, So I don't think he scored
on Wimby that whole fourth quarter where Wimby was guarding
him a lot, and it just they will completely out
of sorts. And Amen Thompson talked about it, and there
was an article written about it. I'm sorry, I don't
know there was a new beat reporter for the Chronicle
for the Houston Rockets. I'll try to find him. He
wrote an article on it, and I intend to read it.
And I don't normally do this for regular season games.
I normally only do this for playoffs. I go to
the games when I'm working pre imposed home games for
the most part, and I was there last night and
it's great. I encourage all of y'all to go to
the Toyota Center. You can see so much more. You
could see Wemby in his frustration, but you could see
that he was kind of resolute, like he wasn't going
to let it keep him down. He was going to
keep trying and keep battling and keep getting back up.
And then he had a great fourth quarter unfortunately for
us here in Houston, and you could see the more
pensiveness and tentative actions from the Rockets in that fourth
quarter when the defense really changed them up. So I'm
going to go back and I'm going to watch this
game tonight again before the before watching the game against
the Hawks. That's how interested I am to kind of
see how this played out and kind of get a
little bit more on it because I was at the game.
You can't pause, you can't rewind. There are certain things
you catch in the arena that you can't catch at home,
and vice versa.
Speaker 4: So I'm just intrigued.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 9: It was so.
Speaker 2: Interesting to see how the Rockets could not put the
puzzle pieces together.
Speaker 4: It was like a riddle they could not solve, Like
Wemby's hanging way back in the paint and now he's
he and off in onto Shingoon and Kevin Durant like,
what do we do? We can't do anything?
Speaker 2: So ye had he made Doka speaking after the game
about some possible solutions, I mean Thompson as well, but
they were they were just puzzled, bewildered, flummixed, whatever you
want to say. It just wasn't great for the Rockets
there in that fourth quarter, and it was not fun
to see. But yeah, angles to cover on that, as
Broderick mentioned, we could talk about Alpi, we can talk
about the men, we can talk Abou Durant, we could
talk about the defense. It wasn't up to par last
night for the Rockets, just one game out of eighty two.
But these are measuring stick games. It was important for
the Western Conference, so to drop that one with that
loss in the fourth quarter, certainly not the way we
wanted it to go. All right, quick break here on
the Rockets was gonna say, Rockets wrap, I'm such a
Rockets mode. How the bad Thomas show with Ross here
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game got ru his four or ruined what was a
great performance where he was flying all over the place.
They're playing all these amendtoms and highlights, throwing and gliding
and dunking the ball down. Anyways, we'll talk about that.
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We've had some fun stuff. We're talking about the Astros
in the projected lineup for the Astros one point zero
from Chandler Rome of the Athletic No ESOC Paratus in
the opening day lineup as predicted by I believe Matt
Thomas and I were arguing about this. I just don't
know how you keep esk Estock's Paradis out of the lineup.
But I understand Christian Walker better defensive option, but uh,
there's a logjam right now in the infield and long
term it just seems like a very difficult situation for
the Astros to try to figure out, even channeler Rome
calling it untenable or saying it seems untenable, all right,
seven one, three, two, one, two, five seven ninety is
the phone number? Biscuit holding longest?
Speaker 4: Is next up? What's a biscuit?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 8: It was a ross hey man? Before I get to
my rockets. Man, when you talk to that guy again
about cj UH and the extension or whatever, ask him
what would be the difference, Like how much would they
say by extending him early or how much could it
cost them if CV had a good year and they
didn't extending him late, Because I know, like with the
Cowboys situation, they didn't want to give that money and
then that go out and have a great year. Now
you really got to pay them. So what's the difference
would it be. I'd be curious to see what thing
was and if it was not much, then it's I
guess it's worth the gamble. The second thing I would say, uh,
getting to a Johnson and your news of the day,
I don't hear nothing about the cougars man.
Speaker 3: Cougar has got a big road.
Speaker 8: When last night they b TCU on the road?
Speaker 4: What's the teacher you ranked?
Speaker 8: I don't know what they're ranked, but it was a
win they you know, it's it's a quality win on
the road. Twelve.
Speaker 7: Good Win.
Speaker 4: All right, congratulations to the Cougars.
Speaker 8: There you go, there you go. Now to the Rockets
and Ross, you can help me with this man. What
happened was that Wendy was playing on one man's own
right now. They rules in the NBA to to you know,
combat that, right, but Thompson, from my you know it's perfected.
I think Thompson would have to be above the three
point line. I mean above the free throw line, outside
the three point line to get Wemby out of the paint.
Because what happened was last night they turned the Rockets
into a jump shooting team. They're like, winmy gonna be
in the faint. Were cutting everything off the paint. We're
gonna force ut. We crowd all the shooters because if
you get biased, we got big boy back there waiting
on you. Now, this is the thing Ross and House
telling him earlier, Thompson has got to start and I
don't even have to be a three pointer. He has
got to start hitting some jump shots. Everything can't be
a layup. Everything can't be going to the hole. Wendy
wants Day was there in the shoot He let the
free throw line by hisself. You gotta shoot that at
least become a threat. If you don't do it, they
just gonna continue to pack the pain. And it's gonna
force sing Gloom to not be in a good situation
because he I think he wasn't worried about castle. He's
worried about the man standing behind the castle. You know
what I'm saying. And that's what the issue is. You
know you you got and then even Duran Wen being
labor to come off people and he blocked Duran shot
on want a men range shot, So you Thompson has
got to start shooting some jumpers.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 8: He can't just everything.
Speaker 16: Can't be a layup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's easy.
Speaker 2: But you can't snap your fingers and just have him
be a jump shooter all of a sudden biscuit like
he's not good at it.
Speaker 8: Well that's something he got to work on, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're to work on it. He works on it.
But he can get him up all he wants.
Speaker 2: If they're not going in in an NBA game, then
he's gonna be sitting down. But I guess if you
said a man Thompson took ten minutes in the in
the fourth quarter and he went one for ten.
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna be happy with that.
Speaker 8: But guess what, ross, They're not gonna go in if
you don't attempt him. He was tenthing harder shots. In
my opinion, he was trying to throw over Wimby and
try to get old. That's not gonna work, man. Just
take the open jumper, take the chance. Confidence.
Speaker 4: He took something. He was one of seven in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: They floaters trying to go over. I just pull up
and shoot. I'll go back and watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have I am actually, actually I'm gonna go
back and watch this game because I am intrigued. Like
I said, I was there and I was more horrified
than anything in that fourth quarter. So I am interested
to go back and I'm gonna watch the whole game
when I get I got a little homework assignment for
myself when I get up too.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Actually, the first I'm gonna work on the pregame I
have tonight at six o'clock.
Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna I'm gonna rewatch that game.
Speaker 8: I am so I mean, it was at least I
count at least four or five times where he dribbled
to about like the Freako line and he looked, he hesitated,
and he kept on dribbling around, and it's like, man,
take that shot. Even if you take it, sat going
in them now jabart and now maybe they can get
the offensive rebound and Windy come out, you know.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and another good point from Broderick that
he made is he was in foul trouble. Get try
to get a foul, even if you get your shot blocked,
try to try to figure out a way to get
him his fifth and six fouls.
Speaker 8: I think he tried that, but weinby was you know,
and they wasn't calling in some of the state it
was some contact and it wasn't you know. But you
gotta take the open shot.
Speaker 5: That's my point.
Speaker 8: You gotta take that way. Your teammates can maybe get
the rebound. But if you don't take it and you
dribble back out and then you force to the KD
now we're in the shot clock. Were up against it,
and now he got to force up a shot. That's
what Seam I saw happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just pulled up his shot chart. The one make
I'm pretty sure it was in the restricted area. It
was on Luke Cornett and he only had one other
shot in the restricted area. Of his seven, three of
them were well outside, very long two's, and then a
couple kind of long to ten to ten to fifteen
footers in the paint. So yeah, not the shot chart
you want to see for a men Thompson.
Speaker 4: This is. This is a Kevin Durant shot chart. We're okay,
this is a Men Thompson shot chart. We have some issues.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he got to get better at it. Man, at
least gonna be, you know, all star calliber player. He
got to be to get open jail.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks a lot, biscuit, appreciate you getting in.
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety. Is
the phone number seven one three two one two five
seven ninety. Yeah, he's got to get better. We can
say that he works on it. I mean a Men Thompson,
he's he He certainly is someone who no one's going
to question his work ethic. So so at some point
though I'm not saying he is at his ceiling, but
you just have to wonder. The good news is, and
I've talked about this earlier this year, is the free
throw shooting numbers have gone way up. So that tells me, hey,
if he's improving his free throw shooting. Maybe he can
prove improve his all around shooting, because he's gone up
from sixty eight percent of the free throw line to
eighty percent. But he's shooting nineteen percent from three from
the left corner. He's six of thirty this year. From
the right corner, he's three of seventeen. These are corner threes.
Who's supposed to be the easiest threes in the league,
and he's well well below average from those, and mid
range isn't great. He can knock some of them down,
but not enough to where it's efficient to where you
want them taking a shot. It's basically only a handful
of players in the NBA you want taking long twos
because they you need to make them over fifty percent.
Kevin Durant is one of those. I mean, Thompson is
not all right. Seven one three two one two five
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We've been talking uh Astros, We've been talking Texans. We've
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Speaker 4: He didn't make the Hall of Fame. We've been talking
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Speaker 4: Been talking some rockets, talking some astros, having a good time,
just hanging out talking some sports.
Speaker 2: It's not that serious, you know. Don't got to be
like these freaking weirdos on Twitter. Spurs fans a gig
getting into my mensions, and I knew this was gonna happen.
I was like, as soon as I tweet this, when
Victor Wenmbnyama's I gonna go off. The Rockets were going
at Wimby, they were roughing them up, They're being physical
with him. They they were keeping him from scoring in
the first half. They did a good job of scoring
and not being afraid of him in the first half
as well. And I when I'm tweeted, there are many
teams that are afraid of Victor Weinmbinyama. The Houston Rockets
are not one of them. And then somehow Tarry Easton's
mom found it and it got retweeted by hers, and
I was like, oh no, this is an NBA Twitter sphere.
I literally that happened, Johnathan, And I see you making
a face literally when that happened. Yeah, she's very active
on Rockets Twitter, so I don't know. Somebody must have
retweeted it, and then she saw it, so she retweeted it.
She doesn't follow me, So as soon as that happened,
I'm gonna tell you a secret, Jonathan, I literally went
to go mute the conversation. I was like, oh, here
comes Spurs fans.
Speaker 12: Here.
Speaker 2: Some Raptors fan was coming after me, I'm like, Raptors fans, really, yeah,
what are y'all doing? Okay, hang out, go go have
some poutine, okay, and work on your conversion rates with
us dollars. We don't need you here talking to me
about Victor wimbin Yama, a Frenchman playing in the United
States and you're in Canada.
Speaker 4: All right, I don't need to hear it spurs fans.
Speaker 2: I get it to some degree, but some of them,
I was like, I was just like going to their
profiles and they're just finding every single Rocket's account and trolling,
and it's like you're either sixteen years old or you're
a damnage human being or both.
Speaker 4: So I'm really getting better, Jonathan.
Speaker 2: It's just ignoring the noise, muting the people, not letting
them affect my day to day life. So I literally
just muted the conversation. The old me would have even
went back and checked the mansions just to read them
and then not responded.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna do that.
Speaker 2: I'm staying away because I'm the Rockets aren't scared of
Victor Wimbanyama. Did he have a good game, yes? Did
he go off for fifty and twenty and ten and
have a quadruple double. No, so let's not act like
he's uh, you know, I had the game of the
century and you're putting up like Wilt Chamberlain number graphics
with Victor Winbnyama. Yeah, he had twenty eight sixteen five blocks.
He had a good game, and they came back and won.
But Rockets aren't afraid of Victor Winbinyama. Although maybe that
fourth quarter defense contradicts my previous statement. All Right, seven
one three two one two five seven ninety is the
phone number seven one three two one two five seven ninety,
James incline. That's years of Matt Thomas's number one favorite caller.
Speaker 5: James, go ahead, Yeah, in case you missing Matt Thomas,
I thought i'd give you some Matt Thomas conversation, like
you're gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 16: Be Matt Thomas.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to the show. It's Rossby Real
with you and Matt. Good to have you back.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Do you like ketchup on your hot dog?
Speaker 5: Russy?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 4: I now, Matt is actually Matt, I know you are
very anti ketchup on the hot dog. I don't normally
do it.
Speaker 2: I'm normally a mustard guy, and then maybe a little
relish if I may, perhaps a stone ground, perhaps a
spicy brown, but no ketchup.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I agree with you there, Rossia.
Speaker 5: Do you like your hot dog longer than the bun?
Speaker 2: No, I'd like equal bun links. You don't want it overstuffed?
Speaker 16: Yeah, but no one's gonna complain about a big wiener.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like I would like. I just said,
you don't want it. You don't want it, you don't
want more, way too more. We much wiener for the bun?
Speaker 16: Okay, ross Jennifer Connelly, Jennifer Anston or Jennifer Gardner.
Speaker 4: In their primes.
Speaker 16: Connolly, Yeah, yeah, that's fine Connolly and Garner. I'm thinking
Jennifer Garner. I'd picked Jennifer Aniston, but she's more like
a friend to me. But anyhow, that's my inmotation of
Matt Thomas.
Speaker 5: Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, James. We'll catch him at the improv.
Make sure you tip your waitresses. Wasn't it wasn't that bad.
I'm gonna give him the comp points honestly. Now he's
got me thinking Prime Anderson, Uh yeah, and friends friends,
Jennifer Anderson. Let's just say young teenage Ross was a
big fan, and we're just gonna leave that there. But
Jennifer Connolly also I think criminally underrated his history has
gone on because somebody was trying to who was trying
to say, she's not even attractive. I think it was
Madame Shmandon that she's not even good looking. Yeah, no, no, no,
Jennifer Connolly, Oh no, I don't remember. Now, somebody's tweeting
in ketchup does not belong on hot dogs. But if
you do it, it's not just whatever. I'll do it
with mustard. I won't do ketchup by myself. If you're
doing ketchup by itself on a hot dog, you're six, okay,
yeah you want me to? How about I chop it
up with a little plastic knife for you too, Little timmy,
come on that day. You're being a child. If you're
having just ketchup on a hot dog, ketchup with mustard
and with relish. I can get behind that as a
flavor mix. Also a little off the board. It's not
bad barbecue sauce.
Speaker 4: You've ever done that? But ketchup?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: Anyways, on that note.
Speaker 2: Which Adam joins the show next who did me a
favor and came in early to hang out and chop
it up and talk some sports. You will find out
next here on the Matt Thomas Show with Ross without
Matt Thomas with an Adam which one.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned. It's the Matt Thomas Show with Ross. All right,
your long anticipated wade is over. Which Adam made it
here for the fourth hour of the program of The
Man Timas Show with Ross High, I am Ross, and
here I am Adam, and here is Adam. Hey, all right,
it's Adam Wexer. There was a guy on Twitter said,
everybody knows it's gonna be wex.
Speaker 13: Well, like you, who is still entertaining our listeners just
after midnight. Last night's out of center for quite some time.
Speaker 4: Yes, you were, so. I do appreciate you being here.
I didn't even notice.
Speaker 2: Actually, that game, it didn't slide, right because the previous
game is blow out. Okay, so no five minutes slide.
It started forty two, very emotional early game did not
have a slide. Yes, thirty point blowout. Lebron James tears
in his eyes as the Cavaliers destroyed the Los Angeles Lakers,
and yeah, we had a lot of stuff to cover.
Adam Wexer appreciate him hanging out. As I said, the
Joel Corey conversation was good. We're gonna bring that to
you folks coming up at one point thirty phone lines
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five seventh ninety seven to one three two one two
five seven ninety So we will start with that Rockets game.
Wex because you worked it and I was there as well.
I actually don't normally do this for playoff game, only
for playoff games that I'm actually gonna go back and
rewatch because I'm so intrigued. That defense that the Spurs
were using with Mitch Johnson was very smart. Wrinkle Amen
Thompson the one guarded by the five victor winbin Yama,
allowing him to sag off into the paint and the
Rockets just couldn't, and then switching actions on Kevin Duran
and albrynshing Gun. The Rockets are horrible in that fourth quarter.
All right, we gonna how concerned do we have to
be that this is some sort of key to unlocking
defending the Rockets offense? Of course, not everybody's got a
Victor Winmbinyama, but there is an Anthony Davis at.
Speaker 4: Ched Holmgren, a Rudy Gobaert.
Speaker 2: There are some teams who can employ similar type bigs
with length against the Rockets in those situations.
Speaker 13: You're a smart person, and I hope all of your
listeners realize that because it is a two part situation.
I don't even think the three teams you mentioned with
those three players can do it. I think there's a
possibility maybe Oklahoma City could do it with Chet, but
I don't think there's any chance that the Timberwolves can
do it with Rudy. Victor's just, in my opinion, light
years better than Rudy Gobert, and if he's sagging off,
then Amn Thompson on the Rockets. We'll figure out the
best way to do it. It was very smart. It
also requires the other players to do their job. And
a lot of people were asking you last night and
then again this afternoon and questioning it all over social media. Well,
why did an Alprin Shangun just back down Castle when
he was defending him. Well, because Castle's much stronger than
Victor webbin Yama. If you hadn't noticed most players are.
Any player who's built well that six' four and above
is stronger Than victor Webbin yama in terms of holding
your defensive. Position he's a great defensive, player but he's
not a, strong physically strong defensive. Player why do you
Think alprinsching Goon ha spent the last three years pushing
him under the? Basket because he, can so can. Everybody
so they took that defensive matchup away from The rockets
smartly and having him sag off of Men thompson obviously
takes a men out of things to a certain extent
if you're not doing anything to help, him and then
it takes anybody else who's trying to get into the
paint out of some of the things you'd like to,
do Because victor's just gonna double if, Necessary he's just
gonna drop off even further From Amen. Thompson rockets probably
could stand to not have a men at the three point.
Line if the defensive players ten feet away from, you
why don't you make it six feet away from?
Speaker 6: Him why don't make it five feet away from?
Speaker 13: You AND i think closing that gap to a certain
extent might have at least made him play more. Honestly
and then, thirdly AND i think you'd, agree almost every
team that has capable wing and physical, wing athletic, wings
they're all Denying Kevin durant the. Ball and thirty seven
year Old Kevin durant IS i think he's getting a
little tired and frustrated of being tired of pushing these
guys off of him BECAUSE i don't think any official
is going to call these. Fouls probably. Shouldn't no different
than what happens To Steph. Curry they just get it
inside his jersey and they just don't get. Off that's
their whole defensive. Philosophy if we get up in his
grill thirty feet from the basket and stay, there then
we're wish you. Luck the other Four rockets try and beat.
Speaker 2: Us, yeah THAT'S i, mean that's what When Kevin durant
was not wearing A Houston rocket's, Uniform that's What Hemye
dooka would do to defend. Him and that's how they
Defend Victor. Wimenyama and those are the two GUYS i
believe they they have some sort of, analytics like the
highest wrist releases in, basketball It's wimby one And durant,
Two so you're not going to contest their, shot so
you might as well get into their, body get into their,
chest and get physical with. Him AND i, think do
you feel Like Kevin durant is is there some wearing
down because he's still very. Efficient the scoring numbers are,
there but just as you, mentioned kind of laboring around the,
court you're seeing some. Frustration it's not easy for him
to score like it was younger in his. Career he's getting,
there and thankfully he's one of the shooters to ever
walk the, planet so he can still knock down those
shots even with guys draped all over. Him but it
just it doesn't seem maybe even as easy as it
was earlier.
Speaker 4: In the season for him to get his. Looks.
Speaker 13: No in this month Of january Is you're. Right the
numbers are still. There he's having a great scoring. Month
he's had last couple of. Games he had a bad
first half Against memphis and then came alive in the second.
Half last night was the opposite and was six to
eleven in the first, half and then he And, shanngoon
who had identical first, half neither one of them could
make a shot in the second. Half so maybe in
terms of, THAT i think one thing that's working For
houston but Against kevin is he still plays, defense so
he doesn't take the other end of the court off
like so many other players at this stage of their.
Careers due he's still an awesome Called lebrono like that
a Lebron, well it's not. NEW i, Mean i've been
doing it for five years at.
Speaker 4: Least it's.
Speaker 13: Unbelievable it just is magnified when he has another younger
player who does the same thing In. Luca for The,
rockets it's part of who they, are it's part of
what they. Do last night was a little bit odd
in that they Took the reason why The rockets had
the lead that they did is because they didn't turn
the ball over because The spurs were they made everything
they shot last night from the start to the. Finish
rockets made their first seven. Shots oh my, god they're
never gonna.
Speaker 12: Miss.
Speaker 13: Awesome they're up by. Four because The spurs were shooting
well over fifty. Percent it was just a matter of
The rockets weren't giving them extra possessions with bad turnovers
until the fourth, quarter and The rockets were doing as
good a job as they normally do rebounding the. Basketball
the number of rebounds was no problem last. Night the
number of offensive rebounds was no problem last.
Speaker 6: Night they didn't.
Speaker 13: Convert they had what seven more offensive rebounds than The,
spurs and one fewer second chance point or two fewer
Second it's usually it doesn't work that. Way and all
this discussion in minutia and really intense basketball analysis is,
awesome but we might also acknowledge one obvious.
Speaker 6: Thing The spurs are. Good, Yes spurs have. Talent, yes
The spurs.
Speaker 13: Have the best group of talent they had in like a.
Decade they finally started. That they spent about six years
in the lottery of taking just awful, players and then
they took Gwembin, yama and then they Took Stefan, castle
and then they Took Dylan.
Speaker 6: Harper hit hit.
Speaker 13: Hit If Dylan harper wasn't hurt And Cooper flag wasn't
the whole offense In, Dallas Dylan harper could have easily
been in The rookie of The year. Conversation he's, Ivy
he's very likely to make first Team All rookie this.
Speaker 6: Year that's why they're so.
Speaker 13: Good their veteran players are all falling into their respective,
roles Adding Luke cornett was, very very, smart and they're
eight or nine. Deep WHERE i said this last night
on the. Broadcast they don't start their five best. Players
they probably start three of their five best. Players and
Then Kelden, Johnson Dylan, harper And Devin vessel all come
off the bench and they dominated The rockets.
Speaker 2: Bench, yeah well that's the thing, too it's the. Depth
and then they don't Have there was Four rockets played
over thirty five. Minutes Zero spurs played over thirty five.
MINUTES i literally in the third, QUARTER i was, like, oh,
Wow Mitch johnson doesn't care about winning this. Game, Man
he's just gonna go with and to indicate. It, Wo,
man he doesn't. Care they're playing the long.
Speaker 4: Game you know that's. Smart you know they're gonna lose,
tonight but that's really smart from The. Spurs they're in
the two. Seed they're not worried about winning this. Game
and then they came back and won and Still wimby
didn't play thirty minutes and AS i, mentioned nobody played
over thirty five minutes in the. Game it's, Honestly i'm
a little. SCARED i hate.
Speaker 2: Talking about how good The spurs are because we're In,
Houston but as you, said they're really, good and they're really,
deep and they're going to be, dangerous and especially, when,
if and when they do it in the, playoffs if
they're Unleashing victor Wembin yama to whatever, extent they don't
even have to do, it because they didn't do it
last night on the road beating a very Good rockets
team and he played twenty eight minutes in thirty six.
Speaker 13: Seconds, yeah a lot of things to look, at and
definitely things from this game and several of the games
that preceded, It obviously the future Without Steven, adams Which
emay addressed before the game a little. Bit they lose
at home for only the fourth time and isn't at
where they are at twenty eight and. Seventeen there's only
three teams better than them in The Western. Conference there's
only one team better than them in The Eastern. Conference
and of those four losses they've come to those, teams
those exact four, teams the only four teams that have
a better record Than houston are the only teams that
have won a game here At Toyota.
Speaker 14: Center.
Speaker 4: Wow WELL i didn't know.
Speaker 12: That.
Speaker 4: Wow this is why we come To Adam lexer for
this level of. EXPERTISE i appreciate.
Speaker 2: It so, yeah, look but that's also that's the broader
conversation we were talking. About, Okay, wimby they can't you,
Know wimby is maybe the only team that can be
as effective as they were employing this. Defense maybe other
teams can try it won't be as. Effective but, ALSO
i mean we mentioned The Oklahoma City. THUNDER i don't.
Know The nuggets obviously can't do. That but these are
the teams you're worried. About you're not worried about The
atlanta as, well The Atlanta. Hawks you want to beat
them to. Night but your goal isn't to beat The
Atlanta hawks and The Indiana. Pacers it is to beat
Those San Antonio spurs and Those Oaklahoma City thunder and
hold The larry O'Brien.
Speaker 13: Trophy, yeah it's definitely a. Factor those teams aren't Beating houston.
Flucishly those teams are definitely outplaying The. Rockets and, again
everything we look at to, date you, know outside of
the last four or five, games is a little bit
irrelevant because The rockets just became a new team back
on the twentieth When Steven adams went. Down if there's
if there's no move to be, made then the group
that you have last night the healthy, group because that's
not the group you're going to have. Tonight then that's
what The rockets have to work. With you're gonna play
more small. Ball you're not gonna be as good of
an offensive rebounding. Team you're far less likely to Give
Clint capella twenty to twenty five minutes a night as a,
given which you did With. Steven you don't do that
With click played eight minutes in the first, half didn't
play in the second half until garbage.
Speaker 4: Time so you're saying It's Jeff green. Season Jeff green's
gonna save The rockets.
Speaker 13: Season they put a team together the day they traded
For Kevin, durant and they have to change everything they
hope to do now because two of the key components
of that, team two very key. Pones you want to play, physical,
tough rebounding, basketball you lost one of the most important
pieces to do. That you want to play, smart few turnover,
qualities half court offense basketball Because fred's out. There that
obviously hasn't been the case the whole. Season so they've
been in adapt to what we have mode the whole
year and there's no end in.
Speaker 4: Sight, yeah all right Now i'm. Depressed all, right quick.
Speaker 6: Break here are also twenty eight and Seventeen The.
Speaker 2: Matt Thomas show With. Ross Adam wexer is here and
we're talking some. Rockets we have other stuff to get.
To I'm curiouser's perspective on The Bill belichick. Thing we'd
mentioned The chandler rome. Projected he had the Projected. Rosster
but with the, lineup we can talk about that and
we'll have That Joel cory. Conversation you guys on the,
phone if you'd. Like it's seven one, three two one two,
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The Matt Thomas show With, ross one seventeen in THE
pm here On Sports talk seven. Audio, oh they're still
all over this ON Espn. News all, RIGHT i GUESS
i can bring it up Because Chris gordy was very
passionate about. This my take has, been Mister, wexler That
Bill belichick is A hall Of Famer Bill. Belichick IF
i were a voter for The Pro Football hall Of,
fame would have gotten my vote for The hall Of.
Fame but also literally you can check on My twitter
at SPORTS. RV i went and put In google what
is the biggest scandal IN nfl? History GOOGLE ai Said.
Spygate the biggest scandal IN nfl history is generally considered
to be the two thousand and Seven spygate, scandal where
The New England patriots were caught illegally filming The New
York jets defensive. Signals it resulted in unprecedented fines For
Bill belichick five hundred thousand dollars and the team two
hundred and fifty thousand, dollars plus the loss of a
first round draft.
Speaker 4: Pick so if you were at.
Speaker 2: The helm and involved in the what is Arguably i'm
gonna go With Aaron hernandez killing a guy or multiple
people as like a bigger, scandal or maybe EVEN i don't,
Know Michael vick electrocuting and killing, dogs BECAUSE i, mean
the literal death of living beings was meeted out in
those situations rather than a guy flipping on a video.
Camera but at the very least thought of as one
of the biggest scandals IN nfl.
Speaker 4: History so if he's gonna have to hold out a
year and he's still gonna get into The hall Of,
fame what's the big? Deal? Not what's the big? Deal
but it's gonna be everybody's gonna be. Fine we have
to get all up in arms about.
Speaker 6: This, yeah there's so many different arguments to. Make will
he add it? Eventually?
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay so he didn't get in the first, time big,
deal as you just made. It are there actually reasons
why someone could SAY i don't want to vote for
him and they're going to stick to those reasons every
year because if they're, NOT i don't really understand. It
but you brought up one of the reasons why could
have also added to Flate gate to, It and so
there's some items. There if you really want to make
a case that this head, coach despite his accompliment, ACCOMPLISHMENTS
i don't think he deserves My hall Of fame.
Speaker 5: Vote.
Speaker 13: Period, okay we'll hear. THAT i think it's pretty tough
to make that argument considering what reality, is and then
the manner in which they put these people. In, well
they've changed the voting process, Again they've changed the voting. Pool,
again they've lumped all these people. Together there's senior committee football,
players three of them this go around With Roger Craig
yes And Ken anderson And Elsie, greenwood and then there's a,
coach and then there's also a. Contributor and you're asked
to put all these different types of whatever you want
to call them into your only. Vote and you can
only vote for three because three can get. In all
five can't get and you can't just say does he
belonging or not because once you say he's, in and he's,
in and he's. In, well now the other two it
doesn't even. Matter they can't get. In you can't vote
for them because we limit how many you can vote.
For SO i think there are a bunch of different
arguments to, make AND i think they all still are.
HOLLOW i have five names in front of. Me i'm
going to vote for the people in order that are
most deserving of The hall Of. Fame and maybe some
of them on my list aren't, deserving SO i don't
have to worry about. Them the most deserving name on the,
list in my, opinion Is. Belichick of these FIVE i
have to look, at SO i don't really think it's so.
Speaker 2: Difficult, yeah how many sacks Of Bill belichick have, though
as opposed To Elsie, greenwood wex come, on that's.
Speaker 6: You, know that was a huge argument that many of
these voters.
Speaker 4: MADE i lean to the.
Speaker 13: Players, Now Elsie, greenwood let's take him for, example since
everybody in here In houston should hate, him even though
he's a nice, guy played for The, steelers part of
the most unbelievable collection of talent defensively THE afc maybe
has ever, seen and won a lot of foot games
and is A Super bowl, champion is an elite, player
and he seems like he's just in a group of
a bunch of other elite, players which we always, see
which is one reason why he didn't get into The
hall Of. Fame what is perceived as a more conventional,
Way belichick's not in a group of. Anybody there's nobody
in his. Group there's him and there's everybody. Else Elsie,
Greenwood Roger Craig Ken anderson are in a group of
other players that did exactly what they. Did If Elsie
greenwood gets, in there are ten edge rushers better than.
Him If Ken anderson gets, in there are forty quarterbacks
better than him in the. Hall If Bill belichick gets,
in there's no coaches better than.
Speaker 2: Him, yeah LIKE i, said he has my. VOTE i
just the outrage AND i would continue to vote for.
Him or BUT i understand where there are people who
there was the sentiment of as you, said there Was,
spygate then there was Deflake gate as, well WHICH i
don't know if that was More Tom brady or, WHOEVER
i don't. Know so is he gonna be held out
for a.
Speaker 13: YEAR i Think bill was down the hall saying or
having someone go down the hall and, say this is
A i don't want to know about this.
Speaker 2: Situation, PROBABLY i, mean, okay, yeah he deflated the ball
a little bit to get a better.
Speaker 4: GRIP i, mean can't let's move. On that's WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Mean this a performance, enhancer?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah have you not made that baseball? Argument like we heard? That?
Yeah ACTUALLY i.
Speaker 13: Thought it was what do we want from our baseball?
Players the best performance?
Speaker 4: Possible that's, true that's what we, want, right you know
what we should do a full steroid. LEAGUE i like,
that and you do the ball.
Speaker 2: Whatever you but, YEAH i mean To jonathan was bringing
this up earlier when we were talking about. It, if,
yeah If Barry bonds is out of The hall Of
fame for, Life Roger clems is out of The hall
Of fame for, life And Bill belichick.
Speaker 4: Has to wait a. Year he can go to kan
koumb With Jordan. Hudson he's gonna have a good. Time
he can go and do some more recruiting form Near North.
Carolina he's gonna Be, okay he's got my. VOTE i
agree with. You he's the greatest football coach of all
TIME nfl and he should be.
Speaker 2: In but there also was not, spygate the. Flakegate The
bengals accused him of using videotaping in twenty, nineteen The
broncos accused him in twenty ten of videotaping like he
also wasn't just a one oh if we flipped the
cameras on an accident this one, time it was a,
big major.
Speaker 4: Scandal SO i ain't crying For Bill. Belichick as the
Way i'm putting.
Speaker 13: It, yeah that every conversation we've had about it on
the eight team at least has included, That, well it's
not LIKE i feel sorry for, Him like everyone that
has all this outrage is not. Him he hadn't said
one word about. It nobody from his. Camp if there
is one who has said anything about, it it's everybody
else that's up in. Arms but it is every possible
group of. People there's media up in, arms there's players
up in, arms there's former coaches up in, arms There's
hall of famers up in. Arms everybody seems to at
least be on the same. Page that's outside of this
group of fifty. Voters now he can just give the uh,
uh The isaiah. ANSWER i THOUGHT i had the criteria
to be, selected.
Speaker 9: BUT i was.
Speaker 13: Not So Bill pollyon Is Michael, Jordan, yes, Exactly Michael.
Jordan The Michael jordan of the NFL's hall Of fame
vote Is bill Pollyh, God.
Speaker 2: Now i'm really. CONFUSED i really don't three year Old Bill. Pollyan,
yeah what is he? Doing how is he? Campaign? Well
how does this campaign? Start did you just call everybody?
Individually is he on the horn With john McLean saying
don't vote For Bill?
Speaker 13: Belichick and aren't these, voters Especially john McClain and so
many voters who are like. Him they've covered this league for.
Decades they have their own. MINDS i know this is
a big lobbying. Effort, yeah you're lobbying for this, player
and you're giving people something else to think. ABOUT i
want people to make up their own. Mind i'm all
for gathering, information But Bill pollian was able to get
that many. People we're actually crediting, Him, yeah for making
people not vote For, Belichick like they can't think for.
Themselves they're taking his word for. It they're going with
what he. SAYS i find that a little hard to.
Speaker 2: Believe, well he was a great general manager who Had
Peyton manning for onto his, lap, yes and walking that
he was up against The patriots teams.
Speaker 13: All these, years and why he may have a beef,
hmm that Is, yeah he has to then have us
all believe they weren't doing.
Speaker 4: Anything but you can only win one Super bowl With Peyton.
Manning come, on.
Speaker 13: Man Jimmy johnson And Bill kawer And bill didn't do this,
recently but a long time ago when he was on
A tv they seem to sound, like, yeah this was
not that. Uncommon we tried, it but we didn't really
gain anything from it or think that it, worked so we,
stopped Which jimmy, said WHICH i think was basically. A,
WELL i don't want anybody to investigate, us So i'm.
Speaker 4: Just gonna tell you we didn't do.
Speaker 6: Anything we didn't think there was an advantage from. It
but just, kidding prink.
Speaker 13: Caller like every it's it does have some elements of The,
astros like we know other teams did. It why because
this is a competitive professional sports. League whatever advantage you
think you can, gain you're going to, do and you're
probably gonna push it all the way to the as
far as you.
Speaker 4: Can you don't believe you're gonna get. Caught, yeah weren't
they running like telegraph lines and nineteen ten's back in the,
Day like it's A brooklyn And Brad grooms are caught
in a scandal.
Speaker 6: HERE i mean there was a baseball scandal in the.
Speaker 4: Teens, yeah there was two. Exactly literally they threw The World.
Series you ain't, cheating you ain't, trying all, right real, Quick,
keith we got like you don't want to know who
did get, in which is somewhat ironic because one week can. Change, Well,
robert you Think Bob kraft got, IN i guess he probably.
Speaker 13: Will make for a more fun ANGLE i would all, Right, Uh,
keith real, Quick, keith what's?
Speaker 8: Up two questions and THEN i hang up and.
Speaker 5: Listen number.
Speaker 8: ONE i know That tom was supposed to be a
great talent, evaluated BUT i think they made a big
mistake With joy And Fanny.
Speaker 5: Smith he's a.
Speaker 8: Bust, secondly he's on a minute's.
Speaker 4: Restriction give him some.
Speaker 5: Time man's got an.
Speaker 8: Ankle when he gets, in he does absolutely.
Speaker 5: Nothing he's gonna.
Speaker 4: Work into a. Rhythm key.
Speaker 5: All, right what?
Speaker 4: Else that wasn't? Me my hands are, Up. Jonathan you
can be my, Witness. JONATHAN i didn't do connection Went.
SOUTH i didn't do, THAT i Promised keith BECAUSE i.
WAS i actually was getting out my document ready to
write down more of your hair brained.
Speaker 13: Predictions, YES i know That keith didn't realize he had
called Into Dorian, Finney smith's, agent so it was a
little bit of a block there for. HIM i, mean
you can't deny the actual. Resulting he's played very poorly
for this. Team he's out there to knock down threes
and defend and he's not doing any of. That it's
it's been difficult with his. Injury it's been difficult to
get into a, rhythm get regular minutes be a party off.
All that's, true but he, also you, know he's getting
wide open shots and for a good, reason three AND.
Speaker 2: D wing with no three and NO. D but other than,
that he's doing. Great All, Right we're gonna take a
break here on that note when we come. Back great
conversation With Joel, COREY Cbs SPORTS Nfl contracts And Salary Cap.
Expert what Will Will anderson command if The texans tried
to extend? Him what should or could The texans?
Speaker 12: Do WITH.
Speaker 2: Cj, Stroud we'll get to that next here On Sports
talk seven ninety and The Matt Thomas show With.
Speaker 4: Ross welcome Back Matt Thomas show With.
Speaker 2: Ross here On Sports talk seven, Ninety Ross virial with
You Adam wexler hanging out as.
Speaker 4: Well earlier.
Speaker 2: TODAY i wanted to bring you guys some of this
conversation because it was a while ago and it was
a great conversation With Joel. Corey he is WITH Cbs
sports as THE Nfl contracts And Salary Cap, expert talking
about The texans in the, offseason coming up with C
J stroud With Will Anderson, junior starting off talking about
exercising the fifth year option and what exactly that means
for The.
Speaker 5: Texans, yeah, well the rookie contracts are for four. Years
first round picks have a fifth year option after the third.
Season you have up Until may second to go yes
or no for the fifth year. Option the no brainer
Is Will. Anderson they will pick up the fifth year. OPTION. Cj.
STROUD i know the last two games were, horrendous but
his body of work over the three years and the
price of the fifth year option suggests they will pick that.
Up so they will not be free agents after the
twenty twenty sixth season if they both end up continuing
to play under their rookie.
Speaker 4: Deals all, right let's start With Will, anderson then we'll
get to the fun.
Speaker 5: One WITH.
Speaker 4: Cj.
Speaker 2: Stroud it seems pretty. OBVIOUS i, mean first Team All,
pro twelve sacks career. High not only that the opposite
of C. J, stroud and That stroud wasn't very good
in the. Playoffs Will anderson was completely dominant in the.
Playoffs so we expect some sort of mega deal to be.
Happening AND i had your article THAT i was reading
AS i, said you expect him to maybe kind of
in a way reset the market as far as edge,
rushers and then how hard are the text is gonna
push for trying to get something done before That may second.
Speaker 4: Deadline, well he's a guy.
Speaker 5: That should be your top. Priority last year With Derek Stingley,
junior they got that thing done so early it was In.
March they hadn't even exercised the fifth year. Option so
if I'm Will, Anderson i'm, like, hey this is the
president you set with All pro defensive players who are
first Team all pros in their third. YEAR i want
the same type of treatment in terms of timing and
what you did retive to the. Marketplace corners For stingley,
obviously edge rushers For anderson with. Me, so, yeah he's
gonna try to reset the non quarterback. MARKET i expect
there to be some pushback from The texans given how
much that are escalated last. Year this time last, year
the highest paid edge rusher Was Nick bosa at thirty
four million per. Year now It's Michaeh parsons at forty
six and a half million per. Year, wow that's almost
a thirty seven percent. Increase that's practically unheard. Of so
they may want to slot him in kind of like
The texans did not The. Texans The lions did With Aiden,
hutchinson who came in at forty five million per, year
did not Top Michah, parsons and that deal was done
in the middle of the twenty twenty five. Season do
you kind of look at This joel with?
Speaker 11: It and they Have Danil hunter still very much in
the middle of his prime and playing fantastic for, him
but obviously he's at a high dollar. Value but this
will be basically the last year of his deal on.
There they added a couple of void. Years but, uh
do you kind of look at it as a capologist, Says,
okay the Will anderson big money starts up as soon
as The Danil hunter money comes off the, books kind of.
Speaker 5: Yeah because where you're going to structure it that the
cap number is not going to take a huge jump
for a couple of. Years But hunter's. Interesting now she
brought him, Up he's going to be thirty two during
the middle of the next. Season he's not showing any
signs of slowing. Down if you let him play out
this year's, deal then's he's. Walking because to franchise him
in twenty twenty, seven it's got to be a little
over thirty seven and a half million dollars and that won't.
Speaker 2: Happen that kind of drives our point home about how
this you don't want to, say they use the word,
waste but it was an elite all Time texans defense
and you just couldn't get anything out of the.
Speaker 4: Offense and then that leads us TO. Cj.
Speaker 2: Stroud of course the. Headliner the offensive line was, bad
the running game was. Bad you Had Nico collins hurt
in That patriots game as, Well so it wasn't ALL.
Speaker 4: Cj.
Speaker 2: Stroud but when you turn the ball over four times
in the in the first half before we get cint
kind out of the ends and. Outs as far as
options of, contract where do you think The texans weigh That?
Speaker 4: Joel as far as the body of work to.
Speaker 2: Where he By Mini METRIC qbr cup a quarterback, rating
touch down, percentage interception. Percentage in the regular, season he
had a bit of a bounce back season from a sophomore,
slump but then those playoffs.
Speaker 5: Happened, yeah part of the problem is he had his
best year when he was a rookie and you were
thinking he's on an upward trajectory and he hasn't had
a year like his rookie year since and then you
compound the problem by having back to back two of
the worst playoff Games i've seen for a quarterback in recent.
History it kind of rivaled With Sam darnold did the
last week of the regular season last year and the
playoff game against The rams last, year which he's definitely
bounced back. From but, yeah you don't want to be
going into the offseason potentially trying to get a new
contract off of that.
Speaker 2: Ending, yeah so what are the options in for The
texas right now as far as the fifth year option
they can do? That do you think there is any
possibility they do some sort of extension where he's not
getting paid fifth d sixty million dollars a. Year David
mullagetta is his, agent and we know he's a guy
that's been very good at getting quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Paid well basically whatever position he has. Generally but good
luck with that because mullagedto resented De Shaun, watson who
was the last time In texas did a big quarterback.
Deal thirty nine million per year at the time Made
watson the second highest paid player in THE. Nfl, Granted
watson was coming off a much better year twenty nineteen
is a third year player Than watson is. Now but
Nonetheless mullagetta is, thinking, hey let's look at the totality the,
circumstances not be prisoners of the, moment have recency. Bias
for my three years body of work is better Than
Trevor lawrence is three years when they got. Paid this
is What mullagatta will probably be. Thinking you're, saying if
the if they do talk contract extension And Trevor lawrence
after a third year where The jaguars imploded down the,
stretch missed the, playoffs he didn't play at the same
level he did in the second. Year he made him
in a tie With Joe burrow as the highest paid
player five million per. Year then shortly Thereafter Dave mullaghetta
Took Jordan, love who had one good second half of
the season his first year of a, starter played well
in the. Playoffs ties those two guys at fifty five
million per year Before Dak prescott tops. Everybody so he's
not gonna be looking at anything besides one of these
top of the market.
Speaker 4: Deals is the. Key joel with A.
Speaker 11: Cj, stroude as young as he is still, like if
we're talking long term contract extension is the key higher AAV,
at like a four year deal as opposed to a
five or six year. Deal Like i'm just kind of
looking at some of the current contracts out, there And
Jordan love at twenty, Five like you just mentioned fifty.
Speaker 4: Five million, year but four.
Speaker 11: YEARS i wonder you, Know, phil like more teams are
leaning towards that four year deal as opposed to those
five or six year.
Speaker 5: Deals, well typically teams want to lock up their best
players for as long as, possible And love was a
changing of the guard because you had When Trevor lawrence
did his, deal you were coming off a bunch of
five year. Deals Jalen hurts five year, Extension Lamar jackson
five year deal as a franchise. Player then you Had
Joe Burrow Justin herbert got their deals done after the third,
year both five year. Extensions so that environment was five.
Years so If Trevor lawrence wanted a, four all the
data pointed to a, five then you Had tua get
a four year, Deal Jared goff get a four year,
deal which Allowed Jordan love to go. Four so this
is a case If i'm The. TEXANS i would kind
of be looking at it from the standpoint, that, yeah
if we wait AND. Cj stroud has a career, year
yeah we're gonna pay. More But Kyler murray be my cautionary.
Tale his agent pushed to get a deal after three,
years and he's probably not gonna be with The cardinals next.
Year The rams had buyer's remorse With Jared goff did
his after three, years and he took him to A
Super bowl at least got them he was the quarterback
when they were in A Super, bowl And philly cut
bait With Carson wentz pretty quickly after doing his rickey
contract after three. Years so because of how things have gone,
south SOMETIMES i might be inclined to. Wait anderson's my top.
Priority if after pay more in the long run to
be sure THAT cj is the, guy THEN i would
have more peace of mind doing.
Speaker 11: That talking With Joel corey one of the best when
it comes to TALKING nfl contracts and salary cap been
doing a long, time of, COURSE. Cbs it is interesting,
Though joel the one of the big copics that came
up here In houston After stroud's less than stellar. Postseason,
okay should should we? Pivot and you look at what
A Sam darnold's doing right. Now obviously he was a
hired assassin With minnesota last year was very, good.
Speaker 4: And now he takes The seahawks to the Super.
Speaker 11: Bowl it is interesting that concept of when you have your,
quarterback you feel, like.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe we gotta pay this guy just to keep
him because we don't like the.
Speaker 11: Alternative but to your, Point Kyler, murray the cautionary, TALE i,
Mean Trevor lawrence had the nice resurgent year this, year
but prior to this, YEAR i think people were, wondering
ass should they have paid?
Speaker 4: Him and then A tua down In.
Speaker 11: Miami you look at that, situation it just Becomes, man
it feels like the norm now is even if you're
questions about this, guy.
Speaker 4: You pay him because you just don't. Know it's better
than the, alternative which is the unknown.
Speaker 5: You need to nail and the head fear of the
unknown has been driving a lot of quarterback. Decisions And
i'll use one going back a few years at the,
time eighteen million per, year believe it or, not was
a lot full. QUARTERBACK i forget exactly what year it,
was But Jake cutler got an. Extension, yeah and it's,
like you really want to Give Jake colin that type of,
money and that's what. Happened so, yeah that factors in the.
Equation BUT. Cj stroud's really, young so you don't there's
nothing that says you have to do a quarterback extension
at the earliest possible. Instance you can. Wait Lamar jackson
ended up being the rare quarterback who plays through the
fifth year. Option Andrew luck back when he was considered
a franchise, quarterback didn't get a, deal which maybe the
highest paid player until going into the fifth year. Option
so you don't have to do the deal. Today you
can exercise some. Caution let's Say stroud is starting to
play on the fourth year The roocke, contract starts lighting
it up early in the. Year you may revisit it
then if you don't want to do it right, now
if the numbers of the day THAT i Suspect David
mullagatta will be asking.
Speaker 2: For you, know we've also seen a situation where guys
have gotten let Go you Mentioned Sam, DARNOLD i Mean Baker.
Mayfield we Have Jared goff was, traded but he wasn't
thought of as an elite guy.
Speaker 5: With people did like he was a throw, in and,
yeah it was just a matter of time before he
was done in The.
Speaker 4: Trent, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Exactly so it's it's not like they thought that he
was gonna be, SO i, mean it's it's interesting that
the dichotomy where you don't want to end up in
that situation where you cut bait WITH.
Speaker 4: Cj stroud and he thrives somewhere.
Speaker 2: Else but also at the time when those guys, came
they weren't making sixty million, dollars so it kind of
makes it easier to build around that.
Speaker 5: Guy, yeah but you also have to think of the
fact that the cap has gone up since those guys,
signed so relative to cap. INFLATION i know the quarterback
market has gone, haywire but still sometimes that gets lost
in the. Equation you have the fifth year, option it's
going to be extremely reasonable costs for a starting. Quarterback
it's not going to be an elevated amount because That
Pro bowl From stroud's rookie year doesn't factor into increasing the.
Costs he was not an original Ballot pro, bowler so
it's gonna be the basically the average of the third
through twenty of highest paid, quarterbacks And i'm simplifying it
a bit for the option cost and dependent and it's
gonna Be the exact number depends on where the cap is,
set because it's express percentage of the, cap but it's
gonna be roughly twenty five to twenty six million For.
Stroud that's a reasonable number for a. Quarterback is a
Salary all? Right there you.
Speaker 2: Go Joel, COREY Cbs SPORTS Nfl contract And Salary cap,
analyst joining us here earlier on the. Show great conversation with,
him wanting to bring that to you. Guys gonna take
a quick break here when we come back the final
segment Of The Matt Thomas show With. ROSS i want
Someone wex's reaction talking about what's going on WITH. Cj
stroud And Will anderson and The Houston. Texans we'll get
to that before we get out here on The Matt
Thomas show With. Ross good, gracious we are listening To
The Matt Thomas show With.
Speaker 4: Ross, Hi i'm The ross part of. That good to
be with.
Speaker 2: You Adam wexler as. Well he's neither part of any of,
that but he is hanging out AND i appreciate. Him
good conversation With Joel corey in the last. Segment SO
i don't know if we need to role play this
necessarily or anything, wex but how do you think conversations
because there has to be some contact Between David mulligata
and C.
Speaker 4: J stroud in this.
Speaker 2: Offseason joel kind of mentioned how other contracts would be
brought up of guys who did get paid, early to
Where Trevor lawrence is a good, example and, REALLY i,
mean is there any chance of textan to try to
get anything, done to try to do kind of not
exactly apples for, apples of, course but Paying Nico collins
earlier saying there's going to be a breakout year so
that you can kind of get in front of that
and win on the deal to where C. J stroud
does bound bounce back because we have a really bad
taste in our mouth from the playoff, games but he
wasn't that bad all season. Long to wherever he does bounce,
back it's gonna cost you even more in the long.
RUN i don't think there's any such thing for a.
Quarterback if he's, good you pay, him and it doesn't
even matter What i'm.
Speaker 6: Out it really.
Speaker 13: Doesn't he's gonna get paid a. Ton they're gonna be
the highest paid player on the roster by a. Lot
whatever the going rate, is even if it's to A
Trevor kyler. Whomever it's fifty, million or it's fifty, five
or in a year it's. SIXTY i just don't think
it matters at. All you're gonna pay him no matter,
what as long as they play. Well now they're not
there now, NOW i don't think there's any advantage to
trying to, say, well if he's good and what a
deal that we.
Speaker 6: HAVE i don't think they're looking at it that, way.
Speaker 4: DON'T i just.
Speaker 6: DON'T i think they are more concerned with the downside
of signing.
Speaker 4: Him we all know what that.
Speaker 13: Is you could be stuck with a quarterback and the
decisions that come with how much dead money can we
eat because we now have decided we just can't win
with this quarterback. Anymore and MULTIPLE i, Mean miami's, there
The cardinals are. There every, year probably one to two
teams is in that. Situation who has gone long term
with a quarterback WHO i think we all knew there
were still questions, about and there were with both of those.
Two now you brought Up, lawrence as Did. Joel there
were questions With Trevor. Lawrence probably as it looks right
now With Liam cohen and everybody, there it looks like
it's gonna work.
Speaker 9: Out.
Speaker 13: Now they've also gotten him first round Pick Brian Thomas. Junior,
yeah traded For Travis. Hunter they traded For Jacoby myers
and extended.
Speaker 4: Him don't sleep On britain strange now he is a
waiver wire.
Speaker 13: God on the back of his jersey it, SAYS i
play tight end like the other twenty five in the
league that are all the.
Speaker 4: Same, hey come, on why.
Speaker 11: Is he any?
Speaker 4: Better i'm just.
Speaker 2: Case they had a good running game too With Travis.
Speaker 4: Ateen and that's the thing. Too we're talking About Trevor.
Speaker 2: Lawrence oh he got all these he got all these,
weapons and he got an elite play, caller and then
they have a good running, game and all of a
sudden he's playing.
Speaker 4: Better funny how that.
Speaker 13: Works it is funny because The, TEXANS i think, clearly
have tried to do all but one of those. Things
they traded For Joe, mixon obviously Reup Nico. Collins they've
attempted to find the right play, caller but they've chosen
a first time play caller in both instances since. C.
Speaker 6: J stroud has been.
Speaker 13: Here now one of them is already on a second
try a Season miami this upcoming season For Jeff. Hackley
so those are the things they probably could have done
a better job. On but now if you, DO i
mean that's clearly gone and over. With they're not changing
ocs this. Offseason BUT i know that's a conversation we
have all. Had could they Have should they have been
in the mix for some of these, veteran experienced play
callers that were on the marketplace.
Speaker 4: This off, Season, yes they should, have even if you
have to admit a. Mistake Nick, casserio Not Nick, kyley
even though maybe they don't.
Speaker 6: Think it's h but if they don't have background In New,
england they.
Speaker 2: Or John carroll on the resume. Either all, right wex
appreciate you hanging. Out all, right you could hang out
for another four. Hours he's not going, anywhere so you shouldn't.
Either thanks, Too Chris gordy for hanging out earlier in the.
Show thanks To Joel cory for joining us as. Well Thanks,
Dude Jonathan allen for hanging for the duration as. Well,
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