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Speaker 4: Are they here?
Speaker 5: Are they gone?
Speaker 6: Who can say?
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Speaker 7: Wait, you fool, prince fade where the creek runs them
a lantern sways. Let the search begin, rustling leaves.
Speaker 4: But there's no one there, is.
Speaker 3: It the wind or the beast?
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the hollis got its eye on you. Monsters Where the
stories are torn?
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Speaker 3: This is Jeremiah Byron from Big for Society and you're
listening to Squatch and Holler, So get ready because it's
a good time. Man. I thought I needed to play that.
You know, Jeremiah is going through a rough time, y'all,
and he's a friend of ours, and just continue prayers
for him and as he you know, starts his journey
battling his cancer. So I you know, I hate to
see I hate see anybody sick. But man, you know
the good people that you care about, it it really
hits home, don't It's.
Speaker 9: It really does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and beyall, it's what a week? Oh my god.
So first off, Amanda has had visitors at the museum
two different times. Can you tell everybody what happened in
the museum this week or last week?
Speaker 10: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 9: So this week, I actually is today. I was supposed
to be off but ended up having to go in
and cover today. And Mike and Christina from a squatch
in Florida that we interviewed a couple episodes back dropped
in and it would just happened to be happenstance that
I was there, So that was really awesome. I got
to meet them in person and we you know, talked
back and forth, showed some pictures back and forth. So
it was a good time. Even though I was working
and I couldn't talk to him too much. But it
was cool still to get to see him in person
and say, how.
Speaker 3: Do It's always fun to meet people that you either
watch on documentaries or interview and you know, like, what's
weird is y'all Amanda and I have never met face
to face.
Speaker 10: Me you still face to face?
Speaker 3: Never We'll we'll try to get over to the museum sometime.
Speaker 9: Yeah, hopefully I can make it up to Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And uh Joe and Jesse.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they were there last week. So they actually
just posted that they got their new documentary that they
were working on that were they were up here in
North Georgia is coming out soon, so y'all check their
Facebook out and they got all the links and everything
to it there on the helmet holler.
Speaker 3: And what's fun is you know you're you're the same
as me. I'm sure you watch you watch these things,
and uh, you see these people do their thing, you
appreciate what they do, and then you meet them and
they're just regular folks.
Speaker 10: Really, it really is.
Speaker 3: It's and it's just like the people in chat we've that.
I love it. I absolutely love it and thank y'all
for being here. I know there's a there's a lot
of y'all here right now and the chats rocking and rolling. Uh.
We got Bruce Brown tonight. Uh, there's we could probably
probably do ten shows with him. I met him on
Crypti Wrangler. They interviewed me and and Bruce just amazed me.
I know the area he's from. I've been there many times,
and I I when I rolled into that place with
my job back in the day, I thought, this place
looks boogery, you know, some of those side roads and
a little bit just a little bit. Uh yeah, And
then now you learn, you know, heck, you've got people
seeing them out behind McDonald's sometimes in bigger towns that
the woods come up to. And I had no idea.
I mean, we had a we had an employee in
a meeting were in Nashville, and all the Middle Tennessee
reps were in there and all the big big wigs.
We had our meetings every two weeks. And so they
had sent this one guy to Dixon over just south
the l BL Wolf Springs and all that. And I
never had told anybody, you know, anything about it wasn't
any of their business, and I didn't figure they'd believe it. Anyway. Well,
he makes a comment there, like, Justin, why do you
want to change her outs? He said, I'm scared. He
was from Nashville. I'm scared, he said, I get on
those back roads and I'm scared of Bigfoot's gonna step
out in front of me or something or worse. And
everybody starts laughing. Well, I'm not laughing. And there's another
guy at the corner down here, not laughing, and he's
from almost Kentucky in North Tennessee, and I kind of
I didn't know. I kind of looked at him, and
he wasn't laughing either, and so they were giving this
guy hard time, and I said, hey, guys, y'all need
to lay off of him. Well why, I said, I've
seen one. I know they're real. He's I mean, it's
probably not going to get you in the van, Justin,
but you need to quit laughing at them. And so
the other guy that the room went quiet, and you know,
I don't like people picking on other people. So I
stepped up and took the heat. But they knew I
didn't bs and when I said that, they all got
quiet and was looking around. And years later, even though
I'm not there, I'm still friends with a lot of people.
That same guy that didn't laugh. He had never had
come and told me anything. But every time I post
something about his big foot or something like that, he
likes it on Facebook. So I have a feeling that
he knows something, but maybe one day like it. Yeah,
but anyway, we've got our little oh one thing. Y'all.
This blew my mind a couple of nights ago. Some
of you know my son hating, We had him on
a couple of weeks back, and he's met this girl.
You know, she's just amazing and we all love her.
And I was live on Coly Weber's show and he's
sending me messages and I found out they got engaged live.
So there's a short out there that you know, you
get a real reaction for me, and it's kind of
embarrassing for me to watch it, but it was.
Speaker 9: It was cute in my opinion. I thought it was adorable,
good because you were able to catch the live reaction
because your first like, oh crap, is something wrong because
just blowing your phone up and you're like hang on
a second. Then you realize what's happening and you're like,
oh god, oh wow, it's really sweet.
Speaker 3: And the and I was excited, and I was like,
I couldn't really I wanted to get up and talk
to them then, and it thank you very exit. I'm
so proud for him. He's twenty nine and he's he's
waited for the right one. I think he found her.
They're so they're so good with each other. But the
thing was how I realized what was going on. He
had talked to me a couple of weeks ago and
he'd already picked out the spot he was going to
ask ask her.
Speaker 4: And you know.
Speaker 3: When I saw he sent me the picture where overlooking
where they're at, And that's when I knew right there
on what had happened. So yeah, it was exciting. And
so y'all, we've got Amanda's Bigfoot News. I don't know
how far this one's is back, but let us play
the goofy intro here and now Amanda's Bigfoot News brought
to you by Squatch and HOLLR. I may try to
redo that one for you. So what do you got
for us tonight?
Speaker 9: So? I found this article earlier today when I was
trying to dig around and well find them to put
on tonight's show. So let me put it up on
screen here so everybody can look at it with me.
Speaker 10: Here we go.
Speaker 9: So Unfortunately, this isn't an actual photo copy of the
actual newspaper article. This is where somebody has transcribed the article,
which is good because I can read a little bit easier.
But I'm a nerd and I like the original one,
so hopefully I can find this one. So anyway, the
article is from November tenth, eighteen seventy, and this is
out of Pennsylvania, but it's talking about the wild men
of California. And a little bit of backstory on this one.
There's a couple of articles prior to this one out
of the same town in Pennsylvania, and they're talking about
a quote unquote gorilla that's terrorizing the area, and they're
giving it a lot of tongue in cheek and saying, oh,
it's probably just some of the college students dressed up,
and hey, you better watch out or he's gonna get shot.
You know, a lot of some of the same stuff
you hear about nowadays. But this one caught my eye
because it taught the excuse me, the journalist is reading
that they actually received the following correspondence to them because
of the articles, so I'm going to start from there
and read it for y'all. So I saw in your
paper a short time since, and I'm concerning the gorilla
which is said to be seen in Crow Canyon and
shortly after in the mountains at or Stemba Creek. You
sneered at the idea of there being any such critters
in those hills, and were I not better informed, I
should sneer too, or else conclude that one of your
recent prospecting parties had got lost in the wilderness and
didn't have and he says enough to find their way back.
I possibly assure you that this gorilla or wild man,
as you choose to call it, is no myth. I
know that it exists, and that there are at least
two of them, having seen them both at once, not
a year ago. Their existence has been reported at times
from the past twenty years, and I have heard it
said that in early days an orangutan possibly escaped from
a ship on the southern coast. But the creature I
have seen is not that animal. And if it is,
where did he get his mate import her on different ships?
And it goes on us. As last fall I was
hunting in the mountains about twenty miles south of here,
and camped five or six days in one place. And
I have, as I have done every season for the
past fifteen years, several times I returned to my camp
after a hunt and saw that the ashes and charred
sticks from my fireplace had been scattered about. And old
hunter notices such things, and very soon gets curious to
know the cause. Although my beddings and traps and little
stores were not disturbed, as I could see, I was
anxious to learn how or what it was that, so
regularly visited my camp, for clearly the half burned sticks
and cinders could not scatter themselves about. I saw no
tracks near the camp, as the hard ground covered with
dried leaves would show none. So I started on a
circle around the place, and three hundred yards off in
damp sand, I struck the track of a man's foot,
as I supposed bear, and of immense size. Now I
was curious, sure, and resolved to lay for the barefooted visitor.
We turned the page. Sorry this is a long one, y'all,
but it's a good one. So I laid in position
on the hillside about sixty or seventy feet from the
fire and securely hid in the brush. I waited and
watched two hours or more. I sat there and wondered
if the owner of the feet would come again, and
whether he imagined what an interest he had created in
my inquiring mind, and finally, what possessed him to be
prowling about there with no shoes on. The fireplace was
on my right, and the spot where I saw the
track was on my left, hit by brushes. It was
in this direction that my attention was mostly directed, thinking
the visitor would appear there, and besides, it was easier
to sit and face that way. Suddenly I was startled
by a shrill whistle, such as boys produced with two
fingers under their tongue. And turning quickly, I exclaimed, good God,
as I saw the object of my felicitude standing beside
my fire erect and looking suspiciously around. It was in
the image of a man, but it could not have
been human ever, so benumbed with astonishment. Before we just
don't talk like that, no more.
Speaker 3: Doing no, No, I like it.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: The creature, whatever it was, stood full five feet high,
the and disproportionately broad and square at the shoulders, with
arms of great length. The legs were very short and
the body long. The head was small compared to the
rest of the creature and appeared to be set upon
his shoulders without a neck. The hole was covered with
dark brown and cinnamon colored hair, quite long on some
parts that on the head, standing in a back and
growing close to the eyes like a digger's Indian. As
I looked, he threw his head back and whistled again,
and then stooped and grasped a stick from the fire.
This he swung round and round until the fire on
the end was gone out. When he repeated the maneuver,
I was dumb almost and could only look. Basically, he
was dumbfounded. Fifteen minutes I sat and watched him as
he whistled and scattered my fire about. I could easily
have put a bullet through his head, But why should
I kill him? Having amused himself? Apparently all he desired
was with my fire.
Speaker 10: He started to.
Speaker 9: Go, and having gone a short distance, he returned and
was joined by another, a female. Unmistakably when then they
both turned and walked past me within twenty yards of
where I sat, and disappeared into the brush. I could
not have had a better opportunity for observing him, as
they were unconscious of my presence. Their only object in
visiting my camp seemed to be amusing themselves with swinging
lighted sticks around. I have heard this story many times
since then, and it has often raised an incredulous smile.
But I have met one person who has seen the
mysterious creature and a dozen who have come across their
tracks at very places between here and Pacho Pass.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 9: Like I said, it's a little bit of a long one,
but but.
Speaker 10: Pretty good thing.
Speaker 3: But the thing that keeps popping up is the descriptions.
Uh what that was one hundred and fifty years ago?
Approximately longer than that, probably, Yeah, it was, yeah, about one.
Speaker 9: Hundred and fifty, one hundred and fifty, one hundred and
sixty years ago. I can't do the mass off the
top of my head.
Speaker 3: I didn't either. I was just kind of winging it.
But yeah, that's amazing. And to hear these encounter stories.
We hear people now that that come out and tell
us how it's how similar they are. And I like
the attitude, like he's like, he's I'm telling you what
I saw, don't tell me it was a rangutang or exactly.
Speaker 9: He's like, I know what I saw, And again, how
often do we hear that?
Speaker 10: Now? It is right, like you said, you know what
you saw.
Speaker 3: I know what I saw, right, and there's nobody that
can tell us any different. So we got We've got
a guy tonight, y'all that's been doing this for a
long time, and I'm gonna, uh just let him come
in and tell a little bit about himself and we'll
get into it. Uh. He's probably got so much we
you know, we won't get to everything, I'm sure, but uh,
what what's interesting about Bruce is where he grew up.
I've been in the area and some of his uh encounters,
He's been to your area researching in the past, and
he knows you know exactly where you are. Matter of fact,
back backstage, Uh he was researching not what like just
a few miles from where you're at right now.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: So we'll bring Bruce on. He's probably will probably put
him to sleep. Hey, Bruce's going good, Matt. I appreciate
you being here. Uh Yeah. The show, y'all, do is
Cryptid Wrangler. Yeah yeah, yeah, And y'all go go check
them out when you can. What nights do y'all do that.
Speaker 4: We do the we do the panel show Friday nights
at five Pacific time. I think that's like okay, eight here,
nine here.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, y'all, y'all scattered all over the country, like
some of some of us are, like, we are here. Yeah. Uh,
but that that's a that's but the technology. I say
this all the time. It's amazing that you guys can
get together, uh that far apart, you know, like Amanda
and I we've never met, but we can get on
here and log on and and share stories and listen
to and people get upset when you say stories. It's
your story. I mean, it's an encounter, but your your
painting a picture with words when you're explaining, it's basically
what it is. So so tell us a little bit
about yourself and uh, you know how you got into
this and I'm I'm guessing the area from it. It
probably started at a young age.
Speaker 4: Just I guess. Yes, I'm former law enforcement officer, uh,
police officer, deputy sure sergeant, sergeant of patrol, detective um hmm,
cheap and narcotics, homeland security. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's uh, that's a that's a
good list. And so what that tells me is, uh,
Bruce is a guy that uh wants to help people,
and he's inquisitive. He probably probably inquisitive and probably pretty
good at what he does. So when it when it
there's I think the surprise to me when I started
doing this is the amount of police officers, former police officers,
UH investigat have things happened to them just out of
the blue, and then they're like they have to continue,
like what are these things? You know? Why are they here? Why?
You know? Because we were always told they don't exist.
It's just it's just a story, it's just a movie.
And then something happens. If you've got inquisitive mind, this
is like Amanda that what happened to her when she
was younger. Now she works at a Bigfoot museum, so
at a co host of podcast, So tell us, tell
us kind of what when you first were exposed to
some of.
Speaker 4: This, Oh, I was My father was in the military
for thirty three and a half years and uh he's
from here in Tennessee and Bufflow Valley of Tennessee, and
we vacation every year back to Tennessee until he retired.
And plus He had a farm here on Holmes Gap Road,
which is in Straddlesmith County in Wilson County. My first
encounter was at my grandmother's place. I had to back then,
I won't want I don't want to make it sound
like I'm too old. I'm just about thirty years old,
about thirty something years ago. But anyway I was. You
got kites back then, you had to build them yourself.
You couldn't buy them already put together. So I built
me a kite. I was at my grandmother's and I
went out to back in the field at the edge
of the yard, a little hate builder. It's a plight,
and I couldn't get it off the ground. But these
three gorillas walked out off the creek up a little
banking over in the field with me. Well, I knew
not to look at in the eye stuff. Me and
Daddy watched Wild Kingdom and they were gorilla as far
as I was concerned, eight years old, and I was
After several attempts, I couldn't get my kite up, so
I took my kite back in to my grandmother. Said
I can't get my kite in there. And I said,
but and three gorillas come out and watch me. She says, anything.
Ain't no gorillas in Tennessee. And I said, oh, yeah, yeah.
I said, oh, we watched Wild Kingdom. As long as
you don't look them in the eye, you know, they
won't bother you, you know. And she said, no, there's
no grillas. I mean, no, no gorillas, and here you're
seeing something else. And so I didn't sass or nothing.
I just said okay. And she looked at my kite.
She said, well, you ain't got no tail on it.
And I said teal. She says, yeah, you got to
have a tail on it. So she got an old
sheet and cut me up three links of tail, tied
it on there and tied them in not She said, good,
take that back out there. And right well, she had
looked out the window to see if those gorillas were
still out there, and they weren't there. So I went
back after and after about two maybe three attempts, I
got the kite in there. As I was letting my
straining out, they come right back out and they got
closer to me. They was watching me feed that string out.
Then they started watching the kite, so I let I
flew it there a few minutes and come to the
end of my string and I was bringing it back in,
and I about twenty five or thirty yards before I
got the kite back in, it crashed. So I walked
over and got it, and they were probably twenty five
thirty feet from me. I just kept my head down
and wouldn't look at him.
Speaker 3: And the eye, Oh God.
Speaker 4: So I picked the kite up back in the house.
So Grandma said it worked this time. I said, those gorillas,
they sure did enjoy it. You know, they watched it too.
And she says, honey, there's no grilla is in Tennessee.
She said they only exist in the zoo. There's no
no gorillas in the United States. And I wasn't gonna
sass her, so I say, okay. Well, a week later
she takes me to my great grandmother's house and to
check on my parents great grandparents. And I was outside
and my great grandfather was a blacksmith, and he didn't
talk a lot, so he would say, boy, pull up
a chair, and I'd pull up a chair, and he'd
pull out a cedar stick and hand me a cedar
stick and an old pocket. Now, dull, you couldn't cut
butter with it. You know, he'd be whittling on his
and I'm trying to whittle on mine. And keep in
mind I'm eight years old. So my great grandmother she
calls for me, come on in the house and need
to speak to you. Okay, yes, ma'am. So I took
off in the house. Well, they didn't believe in electricity.
That was the devil's doing. So she had an old
cook stove and old whole old lamps for life. Well,
she had made me some biscuits, and she got down
some preserves and heated up me some honey and glasses
and brought me out a big old plate of cat
head biscuits. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh god, oh man, those are woodstoves. I've had
some of the best biscuits.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, she said, honey, she said, you ain't
seeing no gorillas. You send Harryman. And she told me
that she was full bloody Cherokee. And she told me
the Cherokee name Born, but I couldn't pronounce it, and
so she would refer to them as Harryman. So I underderstood.
And she told me what her ground father they told her,
and it was passed down that during a hunting party
went out. The family members went out on a hunting party,
and they'd killed deer and elk, and I think she
said a buffalo or two buffalo and brought them back in.
And they when they'd kill those animals still and kill
them out, they put them on a meat pole and
they would leave two of the the tribes members to
guard it overnight as long as you know, that was
their food. And she said that sometime during that night
the harry men come in and killed the tribes members
and got the meat. So the next morning they got
together a hunting party and they tracked them and found them,
and then they got into a battle, and I think
they killed two harry men and they ended up losing
another couple of tribes members but got part of the
meat back. So that was her explanation that And she
told me, she said, if you if you out like
that and you encounter them, this is what I want
you to do. She said, if you're close to the
house so the barn just don't acknowledge them and they
won't bother you. And if you're out hunting or fishing,
she said, I want you to you're fishing in the creek.
I want you to take a stick with a why
in it and hang some of those fishop in a
tree when you catch them for a gift, and they
will not bother you. Of course, I'm eight years old.
I'm not buying the story, you know, so I ain't
giving my fees away, right, So we went. When I
was twelve was when I really got into big pudding,
heavy heavy. I got obsessed with it so bad that
my daddy got mad at me over it. But we
were fishing in the backwaters of the Cumberland River and
there in Smith County, at the Jackson County line, and
we were catching bluegills, so across the lake. The lake
was down somewhat across the lake, I seen three more
walk out of the cattails and walk out and watch
us and walk back in. Well, Mom and Dad was
down down a few yards from they never seen them,
so Daddy, he was already a little upset with me,
so I wasn't gonna bring it up. So they turned around,
these bigfoot did and walk back into the cacktails and
back into the woods. So I sitting there catching brim
and they slowed up. So I walked up a backwater
to where a little creek come in, and I crossed
over the creek and went over there to work these
bigfoot and standing and there's tracks everwhere there. So I'm
sitting there catching bluegill again. And when I bring one up,
I catch him. I pitch him on the ground. I
catch him, pitch him on the ground. Well, I happened
to notice the little one out of the three was
about my size. He had walked back out on that
mud flat watching me in the creek. The way the
creek was, I had an old rock fence coming down
through her and was about eight ft of water in
the center of the creek. To walk up that mud
flat and get on that little old rock fence and
drop your barber down there, you can wear them bluegill out.
So I was catching and pitching them over behind me.
Looked around and there he is. So he's watching me.
His little one is watching me. He's my size. He's
watching me out on hooking thumbing, and he'd watched it
hit the ground and flop. All I got to think of. Well,
great grandmothers said leave him some m So I was thinking, well,
next time I catch, I'm gonna give it to you,
and so I caught one and took it off the hook,
and what a twelve year old could throw one for? Handed?
I threw it to him and he walked right down
to it, bent down like an Asian person, and he
picked it up and then walked into the woods. The
cat tails and went in the woods, and I've never
seen him again.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh my god, this is what is amazing. If
you'd have been twenty five years old the first time
you ever saw him and nobody to talk to you
sensibly about them, do you think you would have acted
that calmly as you did as a kid, and having
people in your family that kind of prepared you for it?
Speaker 4: I mean, because oh no, if I was, if I
had been thirty something years old, it scared me to death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting chills. But it's also I
love hearing this because, uh, you know, a lot of
a lot of the stories that are out there are
for the shock value and the fear and all that,
which that's okay, because you need to be careful. But
I love things like this because it's it shows another side, more,
a calmer side, more I won't say humanistic in a way,
but uh, that's amazing that it's just as I'm blown
away by that. And to be twelve years old and
and remember what you know your grandma said and share
with them that that's that you exactly child innocence. That's
but uh, after you did that, I mean, you hadn't
had anything bad happen. I know they probably probably just
you know, guessing here, it probably didn't feel threatened by
eight year old or twelve year old.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's that's probably one of the reasons why
they approached me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so throughout your life, you've been doing this
a long time, have you seen a lot of curiosity
from him, like we've heard from other people.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yes, uh this this is sort
of funny. But in a way it's not funny. Uh.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I gifted I gifted a big female on the Cumberlin
uh slim gems mm hm. And you know, and everybody
thinks about the yeah the Bigfoot commercial with Darrel the
Bigfoot right found his name, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: From that commercial.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but uh, I had several other incidents after that.
They were short ones, just a few seconds. And then
when I moved to my mom and daddy, when I
turned to fifteen, wouldn't let me move out of the
house unless they bought my first farm and they could
check on us. Of course, they had the keys to
my door and everything. And as I got to seventeen sixteen,
seventeen U School Superintendent Pupman County, Tennessee. He gets a
hold of me. He knows me well because mom and
daddy bought me a farm there in Buffalo Valley, Tennessee,
which is in Pupman County. He gets a hold of
them and he says, uh, Bruce, I needs you to
look into something for me. I said, sure, what you got?
You know, we sharecrop. I helped him with his tobacco,
Betty's cows of the winter time and stuff like that.
He's like, well, I got a bus driver and a
load of school kids every morning between sixt six thirty
or seeing a bear in a cub walk across the road.
And I said, well, said I've never heard a bear
in this country. And he said, Bruce, there ain't been
no bear in this country in over one hundred years. Well,
these kids are getting school and telling the teacher, and
so the teachers took the principal. The principal asked a
bus driver and he admitted to it. So the principal
called the superintendent. Well, his name was Walter Shanks, Public County.
So he gets a hold on me and he tells
me the bus driver's name and stuff. And I said, yeah, yeah,
I'll help you out on that. You know, I was
big into trapping and stuff. I knew if it was
a bear, I couldn't legally kill it because there wasn't
you know, there wasn't no season there. There wasn't supposed
to be none exist. So I know the man's land
that they were seeing the bear cross and the cub
cross over on two, and he is, all, I saw
a farmer, but he's a park ranger for ed Grevens
State Park. And so I get a hold of him
and I'll tell him what's going on, he said. And
he said when are you going to go? And I said,
I'm gonna go tonight. And he's a I had a
Johnny Walker caller, uh, And I said, I'm gonna go tonight.
Let's see if we can get an answer or steer
it up. And he was like, I want to go
with I said, well that's fine. More a marrier, you know. Well,
I go on to the house and I get my
stuff ready, my game callers and everything ready, and I
get a ring on the house phone. We didn't have
cell phones back then. And I answered it and it's him.
He said, Hey, my my brother in law. I worked
for Ford Motor Company and he lives right above you.
And said, uh, he got a brand new Ford Well
drive truck. He's gonna let us use it. I said, hey,
that'll work. He said, but now his son's wanted to go.
His son's eighteen or nineteen. I said, yeah, that'll work.
I said, we'll let him drive. If something happens that truck,
we can blame him.
Speaker 3: Man it head. I like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so because you know, a brand new truck back
in those days, you know that was that was nice. Yeah.
We got five guns together in a quilt and we
went up to this place and then you turned in
the barn lot. We left the gate open, and I
told the boys, said turn around and back up to
the upper side of the barn where we could see
the field behind the barn. And uh. I had a
down jack rabbit squill call, so I started playing it
and I told him my hands. We went up a nighttime.
It was up in the night in January, cold, cold, cold,
I'll never forget the temperature of seventeen degrees outside. And
I told that young boy, I said, I'm gonna take
his spotlight plug and plug it into cigarette lighter. Your
job is to keep us from unplugging it. And so
I cut the game collar on him. About ten minutes,
I heard some stuff just a few peed off the
back of the truck. So I reached sober and nudged
the man with me part ranger, mister George. I said,
we got something there at the back of the truck. Well,
back then, if you was a property owner and you
had coyotes and stuff like that, you was legally could
shoot him at night on your property. And he I
cut the well, he cut the spotlight. Only len't even
hold the spotlight. And there were a couple of coyotes.
We even had a bobcat and some other stuff there,
which was really unused because you don't have that kind
of mixture altogether. And so I was raised up ready
to take a shot, and he was too, and about
that time we heard this humongous scream. It sounded like
a twenty five hundred pound bull. Started out with a
low beller and went to a high screen. Well, I
tapped him on the shoulder and I said, hold on, then,
let's see what this is. We'll coming off this mountain
down a point. It was practically straight down. We could
hear tears, trees tearing up, and just it sounded like
a dozer. Ben drove off the top that hill and
I said, this sold up again and I told him,
I said, keep that spotlight on. Bought it, you know,
it just kept coming. Well, it stepped out in the
field just a few yards behind the truck, and it
was a massive, massive bigfoot, the biggest, the biggest one
I've ever seen since and now just massive. He lets
out this, he's sort of you could see him inhale.
When he exhales, it vibrates us. It's just tremendous. He
breaks and run towards a truck. Oh well, I reach through.
I reach around and grab the two forty three. George
grabs the thirty o six. We both come up at
the same time and we can't get in the truck.
He's too close. He's running at us. There's no way
we can get out of it. We've got no choice
but to shoot him. We raise up We got him
in the scope and we're picking the pull the trigger,
and he lets out this low pitch scream, went to
a medium to a high net locker and muscles. We
couldn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Wow. So you the young man that was sitting in
the driver's ship the truck that was driving. Back then,
those big three quarter tron trucks had those giant mirrors
on the outside of them. He's seen it through the
mirror and he drove off. Well, he drove off with
us standing up in the back. No keeping mine on
the top of the cab of the truck on the quip.
We had our other guns laying there. Oh yes. So
here he tears out through the barn lot and hits
the road and this thing is just right off the tailgate. Now,
when he took off, he threw me and mister George
against the tailgate. I was going over the tailgate when
mister George caught me. So as soon as he took
off and we hit that tailgate, we come out of
that what I call zap right, and he caught me
as I was going over the tailgate. Well, we hit it.
In the roads back then were dirt roads. Gravel dirt roads.
Wasn't no payment around for miles. So we're going down
this road at twenty five thirty mile an hour, and
this thing is keeping up with us. He's gaining, I
mean he's gaining. He's mad, he's screaming. So we go
around the curve. He's besch telling. We get up to
maybe forty forty five, and he's right there at us,
and we can tell I tell people whose hurt His
head was, Maddie, But he had a perfect braid around
his head. It was braided at heart. And he started
fading out faster that So we got up to forty
five or so on. Keep in mind we're all over
the road on the gravel roads. He just can't stay centered.
So we get to the guy's house that wants it's
a truck and the sun driving his son pulls in
the driveway, but doesn't cut the truck off and doesn't
put it in park. He just bottles out of it.
Oh yeah, so mister George is on that side behind him.
He jumps off, runs up and jumps in the truck
and puts it in park and cuts the truck off. Well,
the boy's daddy comes running out said, what happened? What happened.
So we're sitting there trying to tell him what happened.
Of course, I'm sure both of us as white as
ghosts because he just knew we was had. Yeah, this
was a massive This was a massive creature. The mama
comes running out of the house screaming there's something wrong
with her son. So we run in there. We run
in there to see what's wrong with him, and he
can't talk. His lips are quivering, his hands are shaking,
he cannot speak. He's in shock. He's look, he's looking
straight ahead. He's not acknowledging us nothing. So we're sitting
there talking to him, and after a few minutes what
seemed like thirty minutes of an hour, he finally stuttered
these words up. He says, it's coming to the house
and it's going to kill all of us. God, and
then he didn't say nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, uh, that's that's that's one of the bad
situations where you know, if you'd fell out, you might
not be here right now.
Speaker 4: Killed me, would have killed me. That that game caller
is the only thing I can think that set him
in that rage.
Speaker 3: So greg our buddy, you know, he lives in not
far from me. He he had a sound one time.
It's right behind him, right beside him, and he explained
it as a bellow roar, scream, howl, And you know
we've heard him and it my son described when he
heard one time. It started out like a big bull
for just a split second, like you said, bellerin and
then it goes up. And we're getting reports reports like that,
and we've heard it.
Speaker 9: And and the one that zapped me did did that.
I've never found anything that sounds like how that did.
Where it started out like a regular roar, I guess
you would want to call it, and then as it
went on, it just kind.
Speaker 10: Of went.
Speaker 9: Up into more of a scream type to it.
Speaker 4: Well, they'll start out but below your human hearing. You
will come into your human heiring and hearing, and then
go above that. By the time you hear it, you've
already been sapped mm hm.
Speaker 3: And you know when And we use terms like that
because we don't know what else to call it. I
know exactly what you're talking about. I've I've been frozen.
It wasn't with fear. Now, I've been scared enough in
my life. But you you can't move. You can't and
you don't in your brain's working, but you don't know
why you can't move, and it's it's terrible, y'all. H Bruce,
can you do me a favor? You got you got
the go tee like I do. Can you pull that
mic just off? It's scratching a little bit?
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3: I was to figure out what it was, I said,
I had, I did that one time.
Speaker 9: So but the question before we move on to the
next one, you mentioned a couple of things that it
was really interesting. You said, whenever it was chasing y'all,
y'all you know, got up speed there on the dirt road,
that it was that it phase phased out. Was that
as in like it started phasing like disappearing, or was
y'all just dusting it out from the dirt.
Speaker 4: He was losing speed?
Speaker 3: Gotcha?
Speaker 10: Okay?
Speaker 9: And then you said that he talked about how big
he was. Do you have any general idea about estimation
about how big you thought he could have?
Speaker 4: Well? We uh uh. The woman there made his hot chocolate.
Landowner who owned the land was a park ranger. I
told him we needed to go back up there. Because
we had two guns missing. And he said, I'm not
going back, and I said, your land, We've got to
go back. Yeah, And so after daylight, about seven o'clock,
he agreed to go with me, and we went back,
both heavily armed, and we found one of our guns
in the road with a busted stock, and we found
another one in the barnyard. Okay, it wasn't hurt. But
we also found tracks. Now, at that time, I wore
nine and a half to ten boot. Okay, I laid
my boot in its track sideways and still liked another
inch or better, being as white as that track put.
I put my tota heel lengthwise in it and still
liked another inch and a half being as long as
the track.
Speaker 9: Wow, that's a big boy.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: So do you think, Bruce, thinking back, the little details
tell part of a story. So those other animals, do
you think they were coming to y'all to get away
from him? Or were they You think they were coming
to the call and hungry because they thought something was injured.
Speaker 4: Well, this was in January, so I think they were hungry. Okay,
I don't know what that dying dying rabbit call. I
had a Johnny Walker game caller with a massive PA
system on it, so it can be you could hear
it from miles.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, was that was that lego back then?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm joking a little bit because we we we
could do the mouth stuff, but for a while, you know,
we're we're not too far from you, but we couldn't.
Uh but oh, you had a ranger with you anyway,
It don't matter with him.
Speaker 4: Long as you're on your own land, you're okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, got you all right? Yeah? But man, that's that's
I don't know. I don't even know what to say
about that because I can't. Here's who I'm thinking about,
because you you knew what it was. You just never
had seen one that big. The poor kid driving, ah,
I mean, when you're in that state, he could have
ran over when y'all he'd kept going, I mean, if
you fell out, he was leaving you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's gone.
Speaker 3: So so how did the ranger, the guy, how did
he handle it? Did? Did y'all talk about it much
after that?
Speaker 4: We did, and we would. We decided to keep it
quiet because of the ridicule, because what the his brother
in law and his sisters told about their son, the
way he acted and what we seen. They didn't go
over too good with in the community there. It would
find we didn't have no problems. It was the outsiders
that that give us a hard time over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and you know doing you know, his job,
public job, you know, and the job you were doing.
H I've had people tell me privately, I can't tell
this publicly because of my job, and what if they
think my state of mind is off? It could mess
up things I did for twenty years, you know, my job.
You like, I can say this is a former police officer.
He's not from the state, but that's his concern about
going public. He he'll be in chat with you know,
a chat name and all that. I've met him several
times up in Kentucky, and that's what he was worried about,
was all of these cases that he had and he
closed and people, you know, the criminals went to jail
to prison. He's like, I don't know what they would
do if they they heard some of the things and
and one of them' dog men. I mean, I'll tell
you I'm always transparent. I didn't know what to think
about that when I first heard about it. But I
have so many people that I know and trust and
investigate that looked me in the eyes and say, no,
they're real. They're real because and they'll tell you a
story and you're like, oh my god. So uh yeah,
that's a good question. Greg, the the the boy that
was driving, and the guy that was with y'all. Did
they have any more encounters later in life or was
the only one?
Speaker 9: Did the kids keep seeing the bears on the school of.
Speaker 4: Us too after that? After that night, I never was
seen again. So we talked with people who lived across
the street, this park ranger on there. It was a
rental house. He had an older couple living in it.
They moved out the next day. And then when I
was able to locate them in the little community of Boma,
Tennessee and talk to them, uh it was it was
using their driveway every morning at that time. And so
I went back to the bus driver and I said, listen,
I said, what did you see across the road? He said,
I sent a bear and cub I said, was a
walking on all fours or standing up? He said no,
it was on two legs. So I said, listen, be
straight with me, what did you see? And he said,
it's like you know, verst my job, that's take here.
You know. I convinced all the kids to say it
was a bear if they was gonna tell anybody, because
we didn't know what it was right, and so eventually
owned up to it.
Speaker 3: So there's a little blues in here. If they're if
they're comfortable in their area, they may be creatures of habit,
just like humans are. Uh you know, they find a
safe way to travel or you know, the bus never
heard them. So yeah, that's interesting. That's that's really interesting.
I look at uh in the story. Sometimes there's little
things that make you go, hm, you know, you write
it down. I see a man, do you she's writing
down things with a pen because it's it's not It
may not mean anything, but you'll be surprised at how
much these little things come up in other other stories.
But so from from that, from I know you've gone
other places to investigate, you know, uh, big foot dog man? Uh,
what what is? What is one of your favorite? Uh investigations?
Not not around your home that you might have you
may have to throw.
Speaker 4: Oh, I've got a bunch of them. Let me let
me think of one.
Speaker 3: I knew you did. I could tell by talking to
you a couple of weeks ago. I'm like, Bruce, been
doing this a long time.
Speaker 4: I've got we can get it. We want to do
big butter dog Man.
Speaker 3: We we can. We can do a big Foot and
then well we'll go into the dog Man. I want
to know you know, I told Bruce y'all before we
come on to talk to me about dog Man, like
I know nothing, because that's kind of where it's at,
and a lot of people are on the fence with it,
or some just don't believe it. But I've had to
change my attitude because of the people I know and
trusted the things they've told me. But yeah, start with
the Bigfoot and then we cant you lead follow up
with the dog men.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've had I'll give it some light, some lighter,
more interesting encounters to give some people out there, the
researchers and stuff, something to think about. Uh. On the
Cumland River, Uh, I made friends with a klan of
Bigfoot and the female. The big female was the head
of the clan, the male the males weren't. Oh. She routed,
She ruled the clan and mooving in her hair with
snail shells out of the creek and muscle shells that
she picked up off the river was woven in her hair.
Wow uh. And when we were want and we would
get close, she took a liking to me, and she
would keep the others back, well, the big males in
the apple mail. They would chatter and carry on like
a tree rocks, and she would just raise her voice
and like a scolding and keep them back. And at
one point we were within we sat down within five
feet of each other. I sat down on the rock
and she instead of her sitting down like a human,
she just squatted down on her knees and she would
a handsigal and as I would talk, she would pick
words up off of me. And after probably ten or
twelve meetings this past year, early spring this past year,
I had another meeting with her in the clan and
they had got a little bit closer to me, but
she was right against me, and she kept instead of
saying help like we said, she'd say hope, hope, and
then she'd hold her she would do like an Indian
and hold her fingers like that to her mouth. And
I kept telling her I didn't understand. Well, after about
forty five minutes there communicating or whatever you want to
call it with them, they got up and walked off,
and she led the way. They followed her. So I
followed them to a cave. And when I got to
the cave, they had already gone into the cave, and
I was right behind the last one. And then I
stopped just first second because the cave's dark. I needed
to get my light out of my penny pack. And
I got my light out and I started in and
I heard not in her, but another one's boy said no, no, no, Well,
this is what I heard, and so I left her.
I drove back home. I passed a pecon stand in Carthage, Tennessee,
on the side of Highway twenty five, and I got
home and got thinking about it. I was like, I
wonder if they were hungry because we didn't have a
good nut crop the year before, so more I thought
about it, Yeah, I'm gonna I drove back down there
and I bought two of the biggest bag of pecans
this guy had, and I drove back up there and
by the time I got to the cave, it was
just getting dark, dusky dark. Well, I started to open
a bag, and I announced myself being there. When I
opened that bag and started to pour it out, they
had a big flat rock that had a a three
to four inch deep hole by about four to five
inches wide, and you could tell they'd been crushing nuts, sir.
So when I started pouring, I didn't get probably four
or five pecans out of the bag when I heard
thank you, thank you, thank you. So I set to
both bags down at that time and didn't open the
other bag. I just set them there on my rock
and left. Well, I heard that all the way back
to my truck. Now you've got to keep in mind,
my truck's a good mile away. So then we come
into I was hearing it with my ears, but was
his mind speak telepathy because it was the same level
in volume.
Speaker 3: Right, but they're further away.
Speaker 4: They're along what they're a mile away?
Speaker 3: That's correct, that's wild. Well, there you go again. I
didn't know what to think about that at first, but
I'm on board now with possibilities because even my son
has heard something in his head that wasn't his voice,
and and what it said was referring to itself instead
of him, so it wasn't his thought and that freaked
that freaked him out, you know. But the more you're
the more you're exposed to some of it, the better
you can deal with it. And I know when you said, uh,
way she pronounced help, I heard hope, and the way
you said it, I'm kind of remembering. I was taking
aback a little bit because I heard what I think
now was the young one that messaged with us a
little bit and the mom and he didn't go whoop.
He went whoop, whoop like that, and she grunted at
him like shut up. You know, I didn't see him,
but I was listening and I hear this interaction. And
you know, I hate to talk about mine, I tell
it so much, but when somebody says something like that,
I've heard that similarity of this, this younger one maybe
trying to whoop, but he was. He was doing that
same mouth that sent whoop instead of you know, so
that's that's wild.
Speaker 9: It's almost like, or at least the one he was
the matriarch there. So as long as like she couldn't
get the l for help, so it can help our hope,
which is more throaty mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Wow. So how long how long did you interact with these?
Speaker 4: Oh? I still interact with them today. Okay, so yeah,
it's awesome. So do you.
Speaker 3: With you being comfortable around them? Do you so if
you go three states away and you have that calmness
about you, do you think that helps you that they recognize.
Speaker 4: Some people say I'm marked. I don't believe in the
marketing thing. I think it's how you carry yourself and
your thoughts, and I think they pick up on that.
They pick up on how you carry yourself and how
you act whether you've interacted with one somewhere else before.
So they're real smart on picking up on that stuff.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. You're you're like a
teacher here tonight, Bruce. I've got questions. So I feel
like after I spoke to one that was about forty
yards away, knew what it was, My son knew what
it was unmistakable, and I held my hands up, had
my dear rifle, you know, my strapped over my back
and spoke to it calmly and thanked it for letting
us share the land. And we're leaving. You can you
can won't be back for a few days. It's all yours, Bruce,
after that happened, everything's gotten weirder in a good way.
And I think it's wanting to make contact with us,
and I really do the things that have happened. What
would you suggest I do next time I go in
the area, Like should I talk in my head or
should I announce that we're there?
Speaker 4: I always talk out loud, okay? And once you come
into contact with if you talk out loud, they know
your voice. You can take people with you. And sometimes
it might take three days, sometimes it might take two weeks,
it might take two seasons, two years before they'll step
back out and let you see them because you brought
somebody with you. But they already know your intentions. Your
intentions are good. They have no problems with you. So
even with a weapon, when you throw your hands up
like that and showing respect, then what you want to
do when you go back in there to that certain
area and you know they're still there, is you want
to show respect, even make them a reef, a virone
reef and hang it up. And then if they give
you one in return, and they're ready to meet, and
you've got to be ready because this is going to
be very hard on your nervous system, because they'll step
right out within three feet of you and you think,
oh boy, well I'm dead.
Speaker 3: But no, it's hard not to think that because Bruce
and Amanda know how big they are. I know how
big they are, and you can't help but have a
little fear. So after I did that, after I acknowledge
that we knew there's been a lot of things. The
first thing it did in twenty twenty was throw a
rocket that's trying to run us out. But after we
kept going back, and after I acknowledge that, like, hey,
I know you're there, and we're not scared. Neither one
of us were scared. The next encounter, he was coming
across the ridge and he and what confused me is
if a pressure is sneaking up on you, or if
you're sneaking Bruce, if you're sneaking up on a deer,
you're not gonna say, hey, dear, we're coming. I'm coming.
I'm gonna get you. So this thing vocalized and then
seven or eight minutes later it vocalized again, and it's
closer to us, and I looked at Peyton, I said,
is he letting us know he's coming? What's going on
here because I don't know. That's why I like talking
to people like you. And then it's almost like it's
become cordial. You know. What I'm saying is that makes sense, Like,
h he knows we're not there to hurt him, right.
Speaker 4: Generally when they do the rock throwing, they're not throwing
at you. It might land a few people where it
gets to you. It might go over your head, it
might go to the left or the right. He wants
you to stop because you're messing up his hunting, or
you scared one of the clan members.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and I figure too, like, you know, you
could have a pretty good thing going and then some
hunter do something stupid and kind of mess it up
a little bit. But man, that's thank you for That's uh,
it's a feeling. I can't explain it, y'all. Going from
being terrified or at first being confused terrified and all that,
and now things are happening where I'm like, wait a minute,
I'll tell you what happened. My son took a picture
coming out. We go in one way, come out the
other way every time, and in the trail it's not
really a trail, but where we come down at the
edge of the field and where the woods stop. It's
where we walk. He sent me a picture there was
a cow jaw bumped mandible that had been broken where
you know, there's a place where his uncle pulls up
you know, dead animals and lets the animals take care
of it. Well, there it was stuck up in the ground.
It was stuck in the ground about three or four
inches and was here right in the middle of the trail.
This was after this other these other interactions. He sent
a picture and he's looking around. He's like me, it
wasn't an accident whatever, or whoever did it wanted him. No,
I'm not gonna say wanted him to see it. They
wanted it stuck up in the ground. That makes sense
it So would that be something you're thinking that it
might be acknowledging.
Speaker 4: It's opering friendship. If he's been in there more than
several times, it knows who he is. Yeah, so that's
a friendship thing. If they see he stuck it right
up in the path in the ground, then that's the
type of a friendship opering that is, that's if you
see if you see one, just tell him to hold
his arm out and do this meaning friends and then uh,
they'll understand what you mean.
Speaker 3: Well, well, something, Bruce, something, he told me. You know,
I always go with like these this intelligence and I
was shocked her down with emotion and stuff. After that happened, Bruce,
I might have told this on y'all show, but this
is this allt is tying together. Uh. He went in
and right before daylight, he had his headlamp on and
this thing's waiting on him, and so Peyton didn't know
what to do. I wasn't there, he's and he told
him out loud. I said, go on, I'm not here
after you. I mean, dear hunting, go do what you're doing.
And this thing turns around and gives this know like
it was disappointed, like well, like dang it, And wait
a minute, Peyton, this is weird. This thing is trying
to contact us. So anyway, thank you for We'll continue
to ask you. But when I get around people that
have this experience, I'm so curious on what we're experiencing
that I try to tie together. And I appreciate it,
but yeah, go ahead. I'm so sorry. It's just I'm
excited to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Well, one of my first well I'll give you my
first dog man encounter. I was hunting. I was go ahead, No,
I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I just I'm thinking about leaving while you took a
tell a story. It scared it.
Speaker 4: Well, this ain't too bad. The first I was deer
hunting in a tree stan uh in the New Midicine
community of Smith County, on my farm, and after daylight
I've seen a big dog coming around the hill towards me. Well,
the closer a guy. I realized that that's not a dog,
so I look through my scope at it. It was
a woolf and then when it got down within twenty
five yards of me, it had the features the front
legs and hands of a man. So I had a big,
muscular front arms on it. And it was probably about
eight foot long with his tail two thirds the length
of his body. So you know you're talking eleven foot
all together or better.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So he had gigantic hands, and I was using the
two forty three. This thing is a monster. You know,
this thing is big. I don't. I'm pretty sure I
could kill it with the two forty three. But if
I don't get a kill shot and drop it, yeah,
we've all shot right, we've all shot there. That's run
one hundred yards before they fell dead. You know, just
imagine shooting something like that.
Speaker 3: And he's not talking about a mishot. He's talking about like, uh,
heart gune shot, they'll.
Speaker 4: Run on yeah, heart lung yea. So I watched him
some more. He stared at me. He figured where I
was at, and he stared at me. And when he
took off running, he galloped like a horse. He didn't
run like a guy ode or a woolf. He galloped
like a horse. So I was a little bit unnerved
with that one. So I said, I'm gonna stay up
here in the stand a little while before I come down,
make for everything clear. Even though I could see the
fields to the left and the right of me, I
could see real good. Well. I stayed up there, probably
a good hire and a half. I come down, and
I've got my backpack and stuff, and I started around
the tree, and just right below the tree behind me
as a wet spot on the ground. He had circled
me and walked through that, and I didn't know what.
Oh my, So the only thing I could try to
measure his back paul prints, his front paw hands was
actually hands. So I had some Beanie Weenies and stuff
like that in my backpack, I term miss stuff like that.
And I had a paper plate, so I set the
paper plate over his paws, his back paws, and that
paper plate like, uh, the paws liked about a half
inch to three quarter was inch being as big as
that plate. And that's a standard size paper plate. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Wow, So it's crazy he was able to sneak up
on you like that. And right the woods was as quiet,
was quiet more than or more?
Speaker 4: Yes, all I did not hear.
Speaker 3: So, Bruce, what goes through your head? You know? Bigfoot's real?
And have you have you heard anything about stranger creatures
before this? Or what's going through your head sitting in
that tree stand?
Speaker 4: Well, at that time, they were called werewolves, you know,
and I'm thinking, okay, maybe I've seen something supernatural here, right,
you know, I don't know. And then I had some
more encounters with these uh were wolves. Later I found
out they were called dog men. And I was gen saying, honey,
and uh. It was about the twenty fifth or twenty
sixth of September, and as I was going around this
mountain bluff, there's a high bluff to my left, and
when I come across the holler and cut across that
point to see that bluff, there was a dog man
standing on that bluff with red glowing eyes, and he
spotted me right, He spotted me before I spotted him,
so he was looking directly at me. And then right
in front of me, of three or four feet was
this monster's popular tree, probably three foot thick. So I
ised him behind that poplar tree, trying to watch him. Well,
he jumped off that bluff and made a wide berth
around that poplar tree where I was hid. But when
he come around the lower side of that tree where
I could see, his eyes had went from red to
a amber gold.
Speaker 9: Interesting, and they were emitting their own light, like light shine.
Speaker 10: On it or anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a real dim light. So I
eased out there and I got back to the top
of the mountain and he's following me. So when I
get to the top of the mountain, there's a hay
build up here, and they had cut the hay, so
the hay it wasn't four or five inches tall, They
had just brafially cut the hay. So I said, if
I can get in the middle of this bitchy seventy
five acre haybuild. I might be able to get to
my vehicle without this thing attacking me. And all I
had on me was a snake killer. So I get
myself right in the center of this haybild, and I'm
walking a few steps, talking out loud, watching it all
around me. Nothing didn't seem I get to my car.
Right before I get into my car, I'm looking around.
Nothing didn't seem. So when I get my car, I
keep my car, my keys to my car under a
towel in the front seat, and when I sit down
in the bucket seat, I just reached under my figh
and get my keys. When I reached under my figh
to get my keys, put them in the niche and
turned ignition on boom. Something hit the side of my car.
Mm hmmm. So I look up because I'm looking down
starting a car. I look up and there's this massive
hand I called a paul massive hand on the front
windshield on the driver's side. His other hand was right
about right above my outside mirror on the driver's side,
and it tears down my mirror and my windshield is
cracking and pushing in mm hmm.
Speaker 10: So my gosh.
Speaker 4: So I've got my car started. I know I've got
to get turned around. So I put it reverse real
quick and turning around. When went off of this this
uh uh through the gate where they took the hay
in and out and hit this sort of a creek gravel,
red dirt road. Soon as I come out, uh, I
had to slow up to make the turn. When I
slowed up, he jumped on top of my car. So
I went just a few I can't. This happened so quick.
It could have been ten yards, it could have been
fifty yards. As I started around the curve, I just
sped up as quick as fast as I could without
losing the car, and slammed the brakes and turned the
wheel and slung him off. Well, from there, it's eighteen
miles to my house. So I go out of there.
I hit a state road. I get behind school buses
and by this time even it's three point thirty, so
I'll go all the way to the house. I get
to the house, I'm still processing this. It doesn't get
dark till like eight forty five something like that, and
I'm sitting there cliner. After I took a share and
I've made a cup of copye and stuff, and I'm
just sitting there thinking about, Now, what did I say?
How in the world did this dog man's eyes go
from red to amber gold? Okay, now he was an
odd color. He had one whole side of him that
was buckskin color. The rest of him was black.
Speaker 10: Interesting.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm sitting here trying to unwind, to
be honest with and figure out what that's.
Speaker 3: Two different types of camouflage turned one.
Speaker 4: Way right right?
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm sitting there and it gets dark maybe nine, nine, fifteen,
nine thirty, I can't really remember. And I've got a
mountain cur feist. He's probably fifteen to twenty pounds. Ain't
scared of nothing. Best world dog abrons. I'm sitting in
my recliner and the way my driveway comes into my house,
I can see anybody that pulls into my driveway, and
it's nighttime. Naturally they have their headlights on make it
even easier. Well, I'm sitting there and my dog's at
the back of the house barking, but he's barking like
it's somebody that pulled up. We all have them dogs,
country dogs. They bark a certain way, you know, if
it's an animal or a person pulled up or something.
And so I said, well, somebody's pulled up and they've
got by me, and I'll go to the back door
and flip the poor pat porch slight on. I opened
the main door and pushed the screen door opened the
dog room between my legs and the house. I was like, whoa,
you know, he ain't never done this before. He's not
a house dog. You can't keep him in the house,
you know, And he's my hunting dog. So I go
back and I get a flash light and I walk
out there and I look around nothing. There ain't nobody there,
and of course someone what secured this dog? He's never
done this. Well, he wants back out, so I let
him out to front. Well. I sat back down on
my recliner. I wasn't sitting there seven eight minutes maybe,
and he just lets out to squall like something is
turning him apart. So I keep a shotgun behind my couch.
I reached and got my shotgun and mean my recliner,
the ear lazy boy recliner. I got a table there
that's a stands and it's the drawer on it. I
got my shelves in it. I reached it and got
my sheld and I loaded a gun. When I opened
that door and pushed my storm door open, my dog
run in about knocked me down, got me out guard,
knocked me off my balance, and I stepped out there
and there was a dog man on two legs standing there.
Well it was it was the same one I seen
you in the woods earlier. So I was like, well,
we're too close. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna kill
him with a shotgun. So I was, well, i'll shoot
it up in there. I just shot there, and you
have to process all this in the middle of second,
you know. So I shot there. He come down on
all boards and took off running, and he went across
my garden and into the woods as well. He won't
be back. Well, I go back in the house and
just a minute or two the dogs want back out.
But then all of a sudden, he just stops and
he starts going from room to room and he's just
acting all weird, and I'm like, well, this this dog
man scared him to death. You know, I didn't think
he was scared anything. When he gets to my bedroom,
it's a norse facing window. He starts whining and grabbed
at the same time, backing up, sitting down, moved. Then
he'd moved towards the winder, do the same thing back up.
I was like, well, something, something, this thing's come back. Well,
I've got a window facing the east in the bedroom.
He moves over to that east space and winder and
does the same thing. He starts growling, starts showing his teeth,
but then he'll back up and whine. And I said, well,
and I still got the shotgun in my hands. It's loaded,
and I said, well, I'm gonna go out and slip
out the back door. I got me a better flashlight,
and the dog was focused on that east space and winder.
He wasn't moving, he was just locked right there. So
I walked out the back door real easy and come
around the corner of the house where I could see
my bedroom window, and there this massive rascal was. He
had his paws upon my gutter, you know, his broad
hands up on my gutter, and he's he could hear you,
he could hear my dog. And now keep in mind,
to show you how close this is, eight to twelve feet,
I shot him in the side with a shotgun. Okay,
he took off. He come down and took off on
all fours and took off. I said, well, maybe won't
be back tonight. So I stayed up all night and
next morning, right after daylight, I made me a pot
of coffee and we got a rocker glider on the
front porch. I walked out there and sat down on
a rocker glidder again processing all this, and I heard
a coyots squaw. Then I heard him holler, and I
was like, so, the sun's coming up from the east.
So I eased into the woods and I got on
the back side of a tree where the shade is
because it's coming up from the east and it's shading
the west side of the tree. So I hunk her
down there and I watched, and sure enough, he's up
in the top of a tree. So I turned around,
like he's back to the house, and I get my
two forty three rifle. And I had bought a fresh
box of shells a day or two before that, and
it held three rounds at a time. So I got
back down there. I found me another tree where I
could get in the shade where he couldn't see me,
and I started shooting at him in the top of
the tree, not to hit him, but to try to
get him down, because you got to keep this in
mind at this time, he's not hurt anybody, you know.
So it was you know, what do you say when
you shoot a dog man and kill a dog man?
Or if I shoot one and don't kill him, I'm
going to have my hands full. And I've got a
print back across the woods, the yard and the garden
back to the house, you know, just to get away
from it, which wasn't going to happen. So I kept
shooting at him, and he finally come out down the
tree between twenty feet from the ground and jumped and
he went down to heel a little piece and went
up another tree and I shot right above his head
into the bark bark blew. He fell back down hit
the spring branch. This time was going down the spring branch,
and I was shooting at him and reloading. And when
i'd hit the water and the mud and stuff in
the spring branch would blow up on him, he'd get
a little bit quicker. So I kept after him, and
when we went across two maybe three ridges before I
let up off of him, and I've never heard nothing
out of that one since.
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, reasoning, I laughed, I've seen I've had to
do codies like that. I didn't want them around, but
I didn't really want to hurt them either. And you're
talking about throwing hot lead at him and the gravels
hitting them and they catch another gear they start digging.
So a picture in this as you're telling this story.
Uh but good gracious, And so what about what about
other people in the area. People come to you, Yes,
that's seen seen this? Did any of them see the
same one with the color variation?
Speaker 4: No? I had one, the same one that was entirely
buckskin color, like the color of a deer.
Speaker 3: See. See, I'm thinking, because I don't know, when you
see all these pictures of these AI pictures of stuff
and dog men, they're black. Now I'm thinking these degum
cut hay fields and these sage brushed fields and all
this something like that could lay down and you walk
right by it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 9: Good gracious do it all the time with that color pattern?
Speaker 10: So why not?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we've we've got hands stuff and mowedem
and elderman a you know, deer foon.
Speaker 3: Uh So Garry said that the dog men heasta always
buckskin color too. Out in Oklahoma, I'm assuming where he's from.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then then I was in Pickett County and I
was off the top of a huge mountains long waist
to the bottom. Ah, you're you're by yourself. If something
goes wrong. There is no help, there's no sell phone,
there's nothing. I mean, you're just had. And I'm coming
around and I find this exceptionally why a deer trail.
I'm like, wow, you know this is why to be
a deer trail. And I'm thinking, I don't see any
deer tracks in it. Uh, I don't see any bear
tracks in it. And so I'm gonna follow and see
where it goes. So I follows around and I come
across the point and a grape vine coming off of
a tree. I see this little creature weighs probably fifteen pounds,
crawling down this grape vine and I walk up. I
walk up to it, and it's the weirdest thing I
ever seen. And I've got gloves in my panty pack,
and I take one of myle instead of putting it on,
I put it in front of my hand, and it's coming.
When it gets down low enough on the vine, I
can stick my hand up to it. It doesn't growl, bark,
or make any aggressive, but it's a puppy. And I'm like,
what in the world's a puppy doing this far back?
I mean, there's no way it can survive. And so
he come on down that vine a little bit. And
I'm talking about a big vine that you cut and
can swing out over the hollers on right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've almost killed myself with those before when.
Speaker 10: Trying to place on him.
Speaker 3: I was Yeah, I was always one that broke.
Speaker 4: So, uh, I pick him up. He's not aggressive at all.
I set him down in my lap and I'm looking
him over. He's missing his tail, that's all bloody. I
don't know if he got in an accident, something cut
his tail off or what happened. And he doesn't have
hair on him. He's a fur ball, you know, just
all fur real young yeah, yeah, so uh, I'm just
looking him over and I can't get over his front
uh uh legs. Uh again, he's got raccoon hands. You
know that started when I seen that, that started hair
on my neck. Come up, there's a Mamma somewhere. Yeah,
so that was.
Speaker 9: My exact first thought when he said, because find it
A straight puppy, like an actual canine puppy is one thing.
Speaker 10: But yeah, that where's Mama?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't be. Mama walks up. She thinks I
tore her kid's tail off. I'm in trouble, right.
Speaker 4: Right, that's all. So I'm setting there and examine. It's
in my lap, and I'm looking it over, and I'm realizing,
dog man puppy. M hm, it's gotta be. So I
take my thumb and my forepaen, and I raise his
upper lip up and I look in his mouth and
his bottom teeth is three his tusk his cane irons
are three inches long already, yes, And they go up
into a gum into a hole behind his bottom cane
ies his bottom. His top canines are hanging out the
bottom his bottom cane iines are going behind the top
into the holes. So his mouth completely he shuts with
the top ones hanging out. I'm going, good, gosh, what
have I got here? So I pulled the bird back
on his eyes to see what color they were, but
he didn't They were clear. They looked like glass marbles
there was. There was a pupil of blood vein. No
whites around my eyes or nothing. It was just you
could see a little white way in the back. But
I believe that was part of his skull or his
brain or something. And so I set him down on
the ground out of my lap. After I see that,
that's sort of you know, it was a freaky out
for a second or two, I.
Speaker 3: Would say, So it's freaking me out years later, sitting
here listening.
Speaker 4: So I set him on the ground and he starts walking,
but he's walking with his elbow in his front hands
touching the ground. But his back end is normal, like
a wolf. You know, he's got chips from a big
back paws, and he's got those long, incredibly long fingers
and on his front and he's walking up in the
printed leaves. Looks like a turkey bomb, you know, the
big end of the drumstick touching, and it narrows down
to the elbow, and then he's got a bigger forearm.
And it was just a tremendous looking thing to see.
Some I picked him back up and I see him
my lap and I start. I touched him between his
ears there and he's because his ears were flopped and
when I touched him between the ears, they laid back
even with his head, and I thought, wow, this is
this is this is crazy. Well, I set him back
down in my lap and I'm getting my phone out
because I'm gonna take a picture of this. Well, somewhere
in there I heard the noise. I wasn't sure what
it was, and it may not have been anything but
me being on full alert, because you got it, when
you're dealing with something like this, it's not scared as
common sense, you've got to be saved, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: So I decided that might be a bad idea. It's
time for me to get out of here. So I
picked him up and put him back on the vine
and he started he on his front PAW's hands. He
had fingernails just like we did, and they retracted and
grabbed that vine. But he had the flat and nails
and fingers like we did. Well, right up here was
his dew claw and it was a human thumb. So
that was the wildest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Okay, so something yeah, Eric, as if I was okay
because you said something that, Okay, let me tell you.
I don't know if I told you this, they've heard
it before. But when I was THE'LBO the first time
and I found over thirty big foot tracks, different sizes
on the way you can hear in the video. I
could see the tracks from like eighty yards away in
the mud, and I'm walking over there and I look down,
and when I say in the video, do they have
wolves here? Bruce, I saw the biggest canine track I've
ever seen in my life. You know what a number
probably like a number eight iron skillet looks like, yeah, okay, okay,
now it was definitely K nine okay, But here's the
problem with it. At the very back of it, about
four inches long, there was this appendage and it was
about an inch and a half two inches deep on
the back side of that paw, and it looked like
it was part of the paw. And you're talking about
like elbows and stuff touching, because I didn't know how
this print was made, because it didn't make any sense
if it happened to be the biggest wolf ever, what
is this thing that's part of it? It didn't make
sense to me. Does that make sense to you that
it had a I'd say it was about four inches long,
and it, yeah, it was. It was the weirdest looking
thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a thumb, I call it. You know, if
you if you actually had seen this dog man puppy,
you would know it was a thumb. And it's a
human thumb. That's a wild thing about it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, Erica. I went when he said that,
because I've always wondered when you see a million deer
tracks and when you see whatever, but there's something wrong
with one of them. You're like, oh, but it makes sense.
That must have hurt its foot and you know this
is out this way or it might have must have
been cut and the end of it, you know, like
I couldn't make sense out of this track. First off,
it was too big for anything, right, and then then
it had that impression, but it was part of it.
It wasn't like it was something else and it stepped
on it. It was all happened at the same time.
So wow, and we were in the right place for
it too. But yeah, see, I you know, I'm like
a lot of people, Bruce, I've dealt with I've dealt
with certain things, and you're talking about processing it and
it takes a while and then you move on to
the next part. But this this dog man thing, like
we had some man chat, it's hard for people to
wrap their head around because, like you said, we've seen
were wolves and movies. There are stories about werewolves, just
like there are Bigfoot. Amanda bringing up one hundred and
fifty year old stories where you can go back further
with the werewolves and there they sound like fiction. But
are they? And now now there's people or seeing things?
But why do you why do you think some people
see an The obvious answer is some people don't get
out as much as others. But why do you think?
Is it your energy? You think? Is it how you
care yourself? I mean the the only the one, uh
dog man that was mad, but the others I mean
that put I mean usually if you grab if you
grab a wild kitten, m h and it's two pounds,
it's gonna eat you up just by you know. It's
happened to me before, so I know I'm qualified, you know.
But I was bleeding and screaming and he wouldn't let
go of. I tried to he I thought I caught him,
but he caught me.
Speaker 9: But anyway, you saying that Roger actually makes me think, Bruce,
do you think that with having those glassy eyes like that,
with no pupils or anything, and that it didn't really
respond to you?
Speaker 10: Do you think that?
Speaker 9: And not trying to put words in your mouth or
I'm just thinking out loud here, do you think that
maybe it was blind or was something was injured with it,
or like maybe it was in shock from the injury
that it had that it were like I said, it
didn't react.
Speaker 10: To you messing with it.
Speaker 4: Uh, it wasn't blind. It could boller, It could botherer
my glove, okay, and it could bother me. I think
it was so young that the eyes weren't fully developed.
Speaker 9: That's very true as well. I know it's like with
kittens and stuff. They're almost you know, they're blue black,
really glassy looking, even right after they first open up.
Speaker 10: So very interesting.
Speaker 4: But the mother, the mother eventually caught up with me
and with her eyes. Then that made that sort of
changed my mind on a lot of things too. Uh.
I put the I put the putt back in on
the vine and let him go up the vine, and
I took off and I went across the point and
went into a holler and went up halfway on the
mountain side on that holler, and I heard a loud
scream which I recognized plight Off was a dog man.
So I got me a spot there and I hid,
and it come down the creek there and I was
hid and it it come down when I was on
all fours. When it come down, when it got directly
even with me, it raised up and looked at me,
and I couldn't figure out how it spotted me, So
I went behind a tree. As I started behind that tree,
it let out another scream. Well, I was got behind
that tree and I was looking behind the tree, and
it started coming up this hillside on two legs walking.
I was like, oh, oh, I'm in trouble now. So
I knew if I could make it to the top
of the hill, there was a bob war fence and
a Wooben warpence. A Wooben warpents was through a four
foot tall with a couple of strands of barbed war
on top of it, and on the other side of
that was a good ATV trail that was regularly used.
It was clean, and my vehicle was sitting on another
end of the mountain from that. So I come out
behind that tree and started up and it let out this.
What I heard was low to high. But by the
time I heard the low, it had sapped me. So
I started. My throat felt like it was swelling. I
knew it wasn't. I was breathing normal, but it felt
like I couldn't breathe. I was getting light headed, sick
at my stomach, so I just kept pushing. I got
on my hands and knees going up that mountain, and
then I crossed the fence. And when I got in
that heavily used woor wheeler ATV trail each and got
my gun. I was wearing forestry pants on, zipped inside
zipper and pulled my gun out. Well, this massive thing
gets to this fence. Now, this fence is a four
foot moving warpence for two strands of barber on top
of it. It steps across it like me and you're
stepping across a toy in the floor. So I far
around off in the area because I got a snake
killer a little twenty two and it didn't pay a
bit of attention to it. So I know, So I
know in a sapling thicket there a briar thick in
a sapling thicket. There's an old house and a barn.
So I made a bee line to that old house.
I got in that house, and I got in the
corner in one of the bedrooms, where I could see
two doors and two windows, and I said, now, if
it comes in here, I've got this eleven shot automatic.
I've got ten rounds left in it. If I can
make an eyeball shot. If it comes after me, I'll
try to drop it. I was in there for forty
five minutes. Nothing. Birds went to chirping. Everything. Okay, I'm
good to go. Well, I go without that bedroom, and
I step out the side door, of course, keeping mind
there's no doors and no windows left. So I stepped
out that side door down on the big stone and
stepped down in the yard. And when I got to
the corner, there he stood, or should I say she stood.
So I made a hard left and went back onto
the four wheeler trail and followed the poor wheeler trail. Well,
she got in the honeysuckles and then sappings and followed me,
stayed even with me. When I got so far around there,
I knew the next little mountain I crossed my truck
would be sitting there. So I was like, okay, just
keep talking out loud, don't show any peers, just don't
look them in the eyes. Well, I'm down like this
with my head down and probably ten twelve, fourteen feet
from me to my right, I'm looking when I'm looking
down and looking over to watch it about midways, I
wouldn't look it in the face. I seen two laser
dots on you, about a half the size of a
coffee cup on my chest. Oh lord, And I was like,
you know, I had my gun laying across me like this.
And then when I cut back over, I seen her
head move and I look down and I seen the
dots move. So every time her head would move, fews
look like laser dots would move. So I sped up,
go ahead, right.
Speaker 3: So Hillary always asks great everybody asks great questions. But
like with the puppy or even with the mom, now,
do you feel like they're like organic or a combination
of something? Like you know, you hear people talk about,
well the military may have modified this or that, or
what is your take? Because you've got when you talk
about a little lasers hits you in the chest, you know,
you know, that the laser. No, it's not normal, and
the lasers are spread out with distance or whatever. So
her eyes you're kind of close and she's big. What
do you think that is? I mean, I know I've
read reports digging into this, not into science, and some
human eyes we cannot see it with our eyes, but
they emanate light, small amounts of light. It's scientifically proven. Uh,
but not all colors eyes do that. So when I
found that, I'm like, well, maybe maybe some of these
things can do it because they're built different. What do
you do you have any idea? I mean you might,
you might already have an idea, but what are these things?
Speaker 4: Well that one could have been part supernatural or it
could have been somebody's asset, mean military.
Speaker 3: Because what's funny is no, it's not funny. But every
time we have a meet and greet the LBL, and
you know the stories from the LBL and all that,
some terrible things have happened there. We we have every
time we have military helicopters coming and checking on us,
circling low. It's obvious that there we know they're there.
You cannot know they're there. And it hit me with
this weirdness and some of the stories that uh, like,
like you just said, an asset, our dogs were acting weird.
This time, we had a few people my dog was
acting and way out of character. Had a couple more
that was doing the same thing. And I'm thinking, well,
are they keeping an eye on us like some people will.
Why are they keeping an eye on us? Or are
they protecting us from something?
Speaker 9: And if they're emitting the protecting their asset from something
or both?
Speaker 3: Right, because everybody there was armed, I mean there's there
weren't many people there that wasn't uh, And yeah, so
could it be to keep a confrontation from Now this
is spitballing, y'all, But this is from seeing things and seeing.
Like Bruce has said before, his dog he knew, he
knew his dog, he knew what his dog never did,
and it reacted weird to this. My dog has reacted
weird to something real close to us, Uh, way out
of character. And then I'm you know, squirrels in chat misty. Uh,
the first time we were at LBL, I'm watching the animals.
There's your first line of defense. And her dog, shallow
whipped around and stiffened up and looked back into the
You know, it's kind of like a saddle, a little
draw back in there or whatever you want call it.
And I'm watching her and I told him, Heather, I said,
I need to go over here and tell them. I said,
y'all need to keep an eye on her. And she
was hearing something back there. So yeah, and Ninja, I
know this sounds weird, but when you start like the
subject's not weird enough, but here you are sitting you know,
things exist. Then you start trying to connect the dots,
and it's it makes you feel crazy, you know. I mean,
Bruce is sitting there petting up what he thinks is
a puppy and it's got, you know, it's got, you know,
Oh my god, So what he I mean? I know
it's impossible. People always ask questions that it's it's impossible
to answer. But you've been around these things, and you've
been around the sasquatch or the Bigfoot. Do they overlap
in your area? Are kind of enemies.
Speaker 4: Some in some some areas they will overlap, but here recently,
meaning the last five or six years, especially since COVID
or right before COVID, the the big butt will we'll
twist the tree and put a twist in it, but
the dog man won't cross that twist. Now, if it's
broke over uh, the other big butts and stuff, they
don't have a problem with it. But I've noticed with
the twist, when I come up on the twist, if
I'm tracking a dog man, I come up on the
twist and I'm I'm having to backtrack because he's moved.
He won't cross that twisted tree.
Speaker 3: Okay, So is there is there any have you noticed?
Like talking to people that's research for years and and
having private conversations and telling them what we found, I've
started looking at these breaks and twists a little different
because of things I've learned. I've noticed that if we've
come up on a local, y'all have locusts over there, right,
real hard, big thorns, and ain't nothing gonna reach in
the locusts and break it with its hands, right, go,
how tough that is? Right, So Bruce knows we've had
that happen a lot. And what I've noticed, just where
we're at, if there's a break and the limb is
facing a certain way, you need to go look that way.
We found water sources, we found tree stands from other hunters,
you know, and it's almost like a directional in this area.
I realized it could be different. We've started noticing patterns,
almost like a directional marker. But there's one I don't know, Ian,
I don't know if you've ever seen this before, But
like a locust, you talk about the why in it
in the in the branch. So you got one growing
and has a y in it. It looks like something
took its hands and reached in those thorns, grabbed it
and snapped it down where it's both are pointing down.
And usually the threat or what or what I perceived
they would think of the threat is that way either
either side, you know. But have you ever seen the
why breaks down like that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen. I've seen the wires broken and ripped
off and took and put in the ground in front
of cave systems and stuff. And that's your friendlier plan,
a big butt okay, no aggressive ones.
Speaker 3: So this this why break on this ridge. Uh, there's
been many over the past few years, but this is
where we've got the friendlier one.
Speaker 4: That's how earlier. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, it's gonna
be real friendly. They've accepted anytime you see the wise
or the crosses, you know, stick crosses. Yeah, uh, gently
the feather up on the mountains, you go, you see
the wise. The closer down to the rivers, you'll i
mean EXAs, the closer down the rivers, you'll see the wise. Uh.
They're generally, uh, more human characteristics than they are animal.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a good friend that's in Ohio. He's
been doing this for a pretty good while. He's really smart.
He's been mapping those structure breaks like you're talking about.
It's certain elevations. You're the second person i've heard say
that certain elevations, if you go far enough and stay
at that elevation, you'll see another one. He said. He
doesn't know what it means, or he won't tell us,
but he's noticed that pattern too, just like you have
it at the different elevations, a different type of communication,
either amongst themselves or whatever. There's so much, there's so much.
Oh yeah, it's like a huge puzzle.
Speaker 4: And it's because it's because no two are the same.
They're all different personalities. They're like us.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 4: That is if you have them, some that will build nestis,
some that will build uh what I call TP structures, Uh, Jim,
then when you run across the tepeech structures, it's got
to be a massive one. Uh. That's where two clans
get together and they marry out to keep them keep
from inner breeding. So that tells you these things are smart.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think I think that shocked me more
than anything, Bruce is, uh, finding out how smart they are,
because I'm like, you know what you said. I've had
enough happen and talk to enough people that I'm just
like you. Why wouldn't they be as different than us
as us? Uh, you know we're me and you obviously
we're raised not far from each other because we talk alike.
We have some some of the things you're saying. Uh,
you know, I've been there, like with the tobacco and uh,
you know, you just have bigger heels than I do.
But but uh, that's that's why I feel comfortable with
you because yeah, somebody said, Bruce is it's kind of comforting,
But yeah, it's I want to talk to you more,
whether it's privately or you come back sometime, because it's
been when I when I met you, you know, on
the show a few weeks ago. Uh, Larry and Larry
and them didn't get to talk much because me and
Bruce was fast. I recognized pretty quickly. And one thing
I noticed, which everybody noticed is early on with you
is the way you carry yourself and the calmness. And
I know the training you've had and the things you've seen.
I worked for the Sheriff's apartment for two years and
because of that, I didn't continue because I wasn't built,
uh mentally to handle some of that. And it's just
it's just amazing to me. We're coming up on two
hours and I Daniel said, yeah, that's true. He didn't
get talking. Now, would you want to come back for
a part two? Sometimes? Yeah, yeah, this is this has
been great. I appreciate this.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I got a bunch I've got a bunch more.
I've got some of the worse. Uh my name was
called in the middle of that coon hunting and stuff
like that. So there's a bunch more.
Speaker 3: And see I ran in the woods as a kid.
We'd have coon dogs or whatever, and before I knew
about this stuff, you know, and it changed after that, y'all.
Thank y'all. I don't know what the gems are.
Speaker 9: Thank you it's something new with the with YouTube that
they're they're doing kind of similar to like TikTok and stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank y'all, a window and blazer and the bino
with the super chat. Thank y'all very much. So are
you and you're not far from Menville? You're probably closer
than I am.
Speaker 4: I'm probably oh our probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're Yeah, you're closer. I'm about to Uh
are you going to the the Crypticon down there in August?
You're gonna be there, Okay, I'll be there. Well, we'll
have a table set up. So I want to do
this for Randy. Uh Randy's been nice to us, and
I absolutely love the thing that what they put on.
I feel comfortable there a lot of people, come y'all.
If y'all can show up on August eighth at nine
am to six pm at the Millier Recreation Center, mcmidville, Tennessee,
you're gonna have a ton of people you can listen
to and talk to. And even if you don't go
listen to them, you can hang out and talk to
me and maybe Amanda. Maybe we don't know if she's gonna.
Speaker 4: Be there yet.
Speaker 10: I'm still trying I'm still trying.
Speaker 3: To look forward to meeting you. We can talk about
some other stuff, you know. I have plenty of questions,
like even like family stuff. How far are you from Smithville?
Speaker 4: I'm just north of Smithville, probably twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: So I've got I've got people I don't know family,
Jets and Williams. Williams and my grandmother and grandfather left
there not together and met here and then got married.
So I have Williams and Jets and all kind of
people I don't even know, uh that I'm kin to,
I'm sure, but yeah, I might come up your way
one time and we just have some coffee, and you know,
I don't want see no dog man for sure. But yeah,
thank you, thank you Bruce for being here. And and
y'all check out Crypto Ring the Crypti Wrangler.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: They're very nice people. Uh. I had a great time. Yeah, Yeah,
it's it's Uh, it's fun. You see Larry Lutter and
and chat and uh, I didn't know he was associated
at the time. Uh. And when you when you find
people that you're just sitting around talking about this stuff,
it's not we're not trying to you know, they don't
try to be flashy. We don't try to be flashy,
just just sit like sitting around the fire talking or
on the front porch. And I ain't sitting on Bruce's
front porch. I can tell you that. Yeah, no chuck
out there, no no.
Speaker 4: No no, but come up sometime we'll catch one riding.
Speaker 3: No, I'll be the one to call it now on
one for you. I'm out. I tell you what I
would like to do. God, is that young gentleman that
was driving that night? Is he still around? Is he
still alive?
Speaker 4: Ooh? I haven't heard anything out of him?
Speaker 3: And probably how did that affect his life?
Speaker 4: Bruise I talked to his daddy probably eighteen nineteen years ago,
and he said that instead of driving that way that
road going to work, he would drive fifteen miles. I
was waiting back to work, but he didn't go back
to work for six months. He wouldn't come out of
the house.
Speaker 3: Poor poor it. See when I get nervous, I kind
of chuckle a little bit. And when you're telling that story,
I didn't mean it any fence to anybody, but you
know what I'm saying, It's like put I try to
put myself in all of you guys place, y'all standing there,
you almost falling out, the other guy catching you, and
then wat y'all just witness and what you've just heard
and felt. And then you got the guy that snapped,
basically mentally snapped, and he's driving and you're trying to
hang on for dear life, and that's just it's just terrifying.
Uh well, I'm glad, y'all were all okay, so it's.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad he was driving that new truck.
Speaker 10: Joe right knew how to handle it for.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, that was a chest move like Bruce said, no,
you drive, buddy, all right, Thank you, Bruce, Thank.
Speaker 10: You so much, sir. This has been fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had a I've had a blast, even though
you've scared the crap out of me. But y'all and chat.
Thank you everybody on Spotify to be listening. Thank you
very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get nervous pretty quick. Uh that's all i'most
say about that. Like Forrest Gump, y'all, have a good night.
Speaker 9: Oh hang on, Suno advice. One more thing. So me
and Roger have been talking. So this is our fiftieth episode,
and he was like Oh, we didn't get to do anything.
Not that, Bruce, You're not special for our fiftieth episode.
Speaker 10: That's coming out all wrong those words back.
Speaker 9: So anyway, we decided we're going to do something special
for our fifty second episode, which means that is one
year that we've been doing squatdch and holler here on
Told Radio Network. So this even or tomorrow, I'm going
to put up a post on the Facebook page TikTok
and stuff like that, and we're going to do a
Q and a episode where y'all can ask us any
kind of questions you want, whether it's about us, about cryptids,
guests that we've had, any kind of questions that we
may have missed in some of the chats or stuff
like that. So I'm getting the word out since it'll
be in two weeks that we all have time to
muddle it over and hopefully we can get those get
those questions and get them together.
Speaker 10: For the show.
Speaker 3: Everybody except Very ex he's gonna ask me something I
don't know. I guarantee it. He asked you a questions.
Speaker 10: He send this a list like this, the questions.
Speaker 3: Very Very is so funny. It's like his questions will
be in three parts. I'm like, oh my god, which
part do I look at? Oh? Wow, thank you Elizabeth,
thank you, thank you. So yeah. But Amanda's in charge
of this, so I'm just I'm along for the ride.
I'm gonna participate and have fun. And uh, I'll let
her organize all that, and maybe she'll ask questions, uh
that she won't show me, and y'all can see my reaction. Yes,
all right, I'm gonna bring out my Tennessee and we
out here, y'all, down in the pines.
Speaker 5: Where the water runs black, where the moss sangs low
and the night leans back. The stores whisper about a shadow, tall,
big feet moving where the moon lad fault.
Speaker 6: Some say it be some saved ghosts in the trees.
Speaker 7: Some say it trouble blowing in with the breeze.
Speaker 5: But around here, man, we know the call or we
just calling friends. The squatching howler, so.
Speaker 6: Lie that and the cat tells sake the birth time,
the copper heads fading here Georgia fall.
Speaker 4: That ain't no man, and it ain't no dog.
Speaker 6: When the creek groll's cold and the shadows get taller. Yeah,
your brother in the squatting the legs wal' getting a
brave man footer. But I mind your staffing and squatching.
Speaker 4: How where body tell me stories about a thing?
Speaker 5: Ain't sauce to ten foot high with a timber y'all
red ice running like a summer's coat.
Speaker 6: Let track big enough to swallow your sober.
Speaker 3: The old folks laugh, say.
Speaker 6: Don't you fearfkrit has been living here for hundreds of years.
Treat them with respect when the moon gets smaller, and
they'll let you live in squatch and holler sold that fire.
Speaker 5: He let the swamp from roll.
Speaker 3: You can hear that beast right down in your soul.
Speaker 4: If you hear her grun up from the river.
Speaker 5: Carl it ain't no boat.
Speaker 3: Frost bark in the lord.
Speaker 6: Lettle swamp run still, and the crickets get salt to
y'all lie alone, and the smalling go the weather break
bay ties in the fools off from keep watch on
that spot in Haller. Some say guards it old pine ridge.
Speaker 5: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge the warm
thanks show.
Speaker 3: When the night comes down, something.
Speaker 4: Big still calls. It's grown.
Speaker 3: So bank that fire. Let the night get deep at
the willows, win.
Speaker 5: Other cuts or creeps. If you catch us glimps to
them at night.
Speaker 3: Holler just now, jahead, don't scream and holler.
Speaker 6: Because a while I'm on springing and the legends getting taller,
how wherever it rons in squatching, Holly, we ain't scared,
but we sure staying cautious down in the
Speaker 3: Dock on oun squatching Hollo,