Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist
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Our guest today is Moms for Liberty co founder Tiffany
Justice on why the left just can't seem to follow
the science when it comes to men and women, particularly
in sports today in other places in society. Welcome to
the Federalist Radio Hour, and congratulations Tiffany on your new
position with the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: By the way, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: It's an exciting opportunity for me to take all of
the things that I've learned over the past four years
with Moms for Liberty to the next level and make
sure that we help President Trump and his administration to
accomplish all of the goals that they've set out across
the country.
Speaker 1: Must make your head spend thinking about how much you
have learned, how much you have experienced, of course over
the last several years in this good fight for parental rights.
In fact, that's what you'll be doing right at the
Heritage Foundation leading the parental rights initiative there.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be leading a parental rights initiative there, building
a coalition across the country of like munded individuals from
many different aspects of life, from lawyers to advocates to
doctors who are concerned about different areas of wellness and
parental consent and information when it comes.
Speaker 2: To children in healthcare.
Speaker 3: So really bringing a lot of people together to take
a comprehensive look at parental rights. I'll tell you when
I ran for school board in twenty sixteen, I had
four children in three different public schools, and I had
absolutely no idea that that decision would lead me to
this moment. But during COVID, when I was on school board,
I saw that the government had absolutely no respect for
our fundamental parental rights. And when I say fundamental, that's
so important because these are rights that the government doesn't
give you that they certainly can't take away easily. These
are rights that are given to you by God to
direct the upbring of your children and the fact that
the government thinks that they can infringe upon those rights
so easily.
Speaker 2: It's just unacceptable.
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen all kinds of that infringement, of course,
over the years, and you see the deep state and
the swamp in Washington, d C. Fighting back, of course,
because well, frankly, we're watching rats being cornered right now,
and we know what rats do when they're cornered. But
that's a topic for another day. Let us start, if
we can, with my old home state, the Badger's State,
the state of Whisks. It has been a site of
political controversy on many occasions. It's a swing state, a
battleground state, very important in the political calculus for any
president or any candidate running for president. This governor in
Wisconsin for a long time. But the name of Tony Evers,
and let me begin with, if I could, with a
recent federalist story, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers wants to change
the word mother to inseminated person. Iver's executive budget bill
includes a section that would remove terms in state documents
such as wife, mother, father, and husband and replace them
with gender neutral terms including spouse, person and inseminated person.
The governor, after being widely and rightly criticized for this
late move on the identity politics front has doubled down
on this. You have some thoughts on this. I would
imagine Tiffany. Why he's not alone? Why is the left
doubling down on this stuff when they clearly lost big
at the polls in November on this hill.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I think it's shocking to most Americans. You know,
I've spent a little bit of a time in Wisconsin,
and what I've learned is that for the people on
the ground, this really is an eighty twenty issue. The
majority of people in Wisconsin absolutely want no part of
the woke mind virus and this idea of blurring the
lines between male and female. There's a representative in the
House in Wisconsin. Her name is Amanda ned Wesky. She
interestingly started as a vice chair of Mom's Liberty Chapter
and ended up running for House and one. And she
found that the word mother or is replaced at least
thirty times and the word father more than one hundred
and twenty times throughout the documents. So this isn't just
a war on moms and women. This is a war
on parents and family in general, and what your governor
said was, well, we're talking about, you know, in vitro fertilization,
and we need to be specific.
Speaker 4: But this is what the left does. They introduce. They
take the opportunity to introduce generative themes into the conversation,
whether it's the classroom or obviously a budget in a state,
but to change the words.
Speaker 3: That are used, or to change what those words mean,
in order to try to accomplish their progressive goal, which
again is to blur the lines between male and female,
to take away the power and protections of being a parent,
of being a mother and a father. Those are powerful words,
mother and father, and by kind of denigrating those and
taking them out of the conversation, it's easier to make
it seem like perhaps maybe children don't belong to their parents,
maybe they.
Speaker 2: Belonged to day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that And I wanted to touch upon that
because while Tony Evers, the governor of Wisconsin, goes about
to trying to clean up the mess that the political
mess for himself and liberals Democrats in that state, there
is a definite meaning here to all of it. And
I say this by way of a story I remember
covering a few years back in the Madison Area school district,
you had a teacher who had a sign on her
door or somewhere in the school that said, if your
parents do not respect the way you either the way
you identify your chosen gender, then I'm your parent. Now
I'm paraphrasing, but that was the meaning of what we're
talking about here. That's a real thought in the leftist
movement that you folks at for Liberty have been really
on the front lines fighting for a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think it's shocking for a lot of
Americans to even begin to think that the government thinks
they know better than us for our children. But you're
absolutely right. I've seen signs like the one you just mentioned.
I've seen teachers wearing or other adults wearing t shirts
that say free mom hugs. I got in a lot
of trouble when I commented and said, if you're you know,
if you're someone other than my child, you know, if
you're offering free mom hugs to a child and you're
not that child's mom, we've got a big problem here.
Speaker 2: You my rumor.
Speaker 3: And when I was on sixty Minutes, the gentleman who
was interviewing Scott Pelly brought that up and I said,
you know, it's just weird.
Speaker 2: It's really weird to be.
Speaker 3: Sending a message to children that somehow, if their parents
don't agree with what they're doing, that maybe those parents
don't count anymore. And ultimately, we know that when kids
get sick in a school, when kids are sick, they
go home to their parents. When kids have life, what happens.
Who's picking the LIFs out. It's not the teachers, it's
the parent. Parents care for.
Speaker 2: Their children and love their children more than anyone else.
Speaker 3: And the idea that the government is somehow, you know,
sending a signal that parents aren't important, or somehow that
parents is that secrets should be kept from parents, which
we know is happening around the country, including in Wisconsin,
is incredibly concerning and it absolutely.
Speaker 2: Has to stop.
Speaker 1: Well, Tiffany, you know this has been building and building
over the years. That's why you have groups like Moms Liberty,
That's why you have parents running for school board, thank goodness,
out there representing their children and children in the school
district in general. From this onslaught of the left. And
you know, it's I think it's amazing to the average
American to think about what is at stake, what is
being pushed here back to the whole notion of the
language of the inca seminated person. I mean you can
look at it and scratch your head and say, why
on earth would we be at this point. I think
legendary Hall of Fame Green Bay Packers football quarterback said
it best in responding to all of this with one word.
He said, nonsense. I think about yeah, think about Whalon
Jennings and Willie Nelson's Country classic imploring inseminated persons not
to let their non aborted clump of cells, as the
left would call it, grow up to be cow persons.
I mean, that's that's basically where we're at, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, I mean let's go a little bit further,
because I think it's important for people to understand. There
was a case that was before the First Circuit Court
of Appeals that just said that parents have no right
to know if the school is socially transitioning their child
behind their backs.
Speaker 2: This is really concerning.
Speaker 3: This is a case that everyone in America really needs
to know and understand that. In this case versus Lolow,
parents had challenged the school's policy of hiding gender identity
information of minor children from their parents, and the school
claimed that the policy was appropriate and necessary to ensure
a safe and inclusive school learning environment. The parents said
that concealing their middle school child's gender identity information interfere
with their Fourteenth Amendment substantive due process right to direct
their child's upbringing. Again, we have a situation right now
where courts are kind of not sure what role the
parents supposed to be playing in the child's life. So
while it might seem people can laugh and we can
say it's nonsense what Governor Evers is doing, it's the
same thing that Kamala Harris did when she sat down
at that table. If everyone remembers and said, you know,
my name is Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: I'm wearing whatever color shirt she was wearing in my
por she her.
Speaker 3: It's introducing this idea that this is something that we
should be doing, should be talking about, that should be
part of our normal language that we're using.
Speaker 2: And you know, while.
Speaker 3: Everyone might be laughinated laughing at this issue, we're still
talking about it. And when we talk about things of
this nature, unless we obliterate them, unless we get people
like the governor evers out of office, or you know,
we're able to strike the language out of the budget
bit and the bill in the way that he's introduced it.
You know, the left does make progress in some of these.
Speaker 1: Areas, indeed, and there is, as you mentioned before, pushback
against this. So these sorts of issues are not doing
so well politically for them.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 3: You saw Bill Maher, I think he said to the
gentleman that pod saves America.
Speaker 2: He was on a podcast and he said, you know.
Speaker 3: Basically, you guys are going to keep losing elections if
you keep trying to tell a parent that you know,
you know better than them for their child. And so,
you know, we're hopeful that that is the case, that
parents and people are really waking up and saying, wait
a second, who the heck do you think you.
Speaker 2: Are in our child's life? And so I am very hopeful.
Speaker 3: I think that the sports issue in general, you have
President Trump and the gender issue. You know, President Trump
coming out with that executive order, you know, saying we're
ending gender ideology in our schools. We're you know, stopping
the indoctrination that's happening, whether it's anti American doctrination and
critical race theory in schools or the gender ideology. We're
not going to allow boys on girls' sports teams. And
then you see that court in Kansas that vacated the
Biden Title nine rule. Once again another effort. Right, you
have the Biden administration rewriting Title nine that this is
the Department of Education, the Office of Civil Rights to
redefine sex to include gender identity and sexual orientation.
Speaker 2: How crazy that.
Speaker 3: The Department of Education thought they could come in and
rewrite a law, rewrite Title nine.
Speaker 2: That is totally unconstitutional.
Speaker 3: That's what that court said, and that Biden rule was obliterated,
and we went back to.
Speaker 2: The Trump twenty sixteen twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Title nine regulations that Betsy Devas had helped to put through.
But again another effort to try to change the way
that i'm Americans talk, which they hope will change the
way the Americans think enact.
Speaker 1: Do you think in Wisconsin in particular, that there will
be political ramifications at the polls coming up, because the
first test really of what we saw the outcome in
November is coming to Wisconsin and what promises to be
the most expensive state Supreme Court race in history, which will,
of course become the next most expensive Supreme Court race,
or it will, i should say, surpass the twenty twenty
three Wisconsin Supreme Court race for the most expensive race
judicial race in the country, and that race features a
battle for control of the court, whether liberals will continue
to control it or conservatives will. How much will this
parental rights and particularly this evers LA play into the
April first election in Wisconsin?
Speaker 2: Do you think I think there were.
Speaker 3: A lot of Americans I would say myself included. You know,
I ran for school board in twenty sixteen. I had
no idea what I was getting into. To be honest
with you, I had never served in government before, and
here I was, you know, coming into school board and
now seeing the way that government worked.
Speaker 2: I was shocked. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3: It was shocking to me to see the control that
the unions had. We'd had kids that were eating lunch
at school at ten fifteen. Why is that happening, Oh,
it's in the bargaining contract with the union. I had
no idea that the union was dictating those types of
the district right. And so that was kind of my
first foray into learning about government and the way that
government was infringing on our rights. And then I saw,
you know, obviously with COVID americans went on this journey
with me. We all kind of woke up together and
saw in twenty twenty a government that was much more
interested in protecting systems than in protecting people and our
rights and freedoms. And so I think for a lot
of Americans, we also thought that, you know, maybe bad
things are happening in different places, but you know what,
by the time it gets to the courts, everything will
be right because the courts will do the right thing.
The courts will you know, will always use the Constitution
as the guiding document.
Speaker 2: And but that's not the case.
Speaker 3: We've seen court rulings like I just mentioned in the
first second Court of Appeals, where there are horrible decisions
being made that are shocking to the American people that
the government, that the court would tell the government they
could do what they want with a person's child and
the parents don't matter. So I think what's really great
about what's happening in Wisconsin now is the.
Speaker 2: Fact that so many people are awake in paying attention
to the fact that.
Speaker 3: Electing good judges and having those judges be liberty minded
America first individuals are.
Speaker 2: Is very important.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that focus has really been there
for a lot of Americans for a long time, where
they just assumed that the court system would work its
way out and would do the right thing.
Speaker 2: And so yes, I think it absolutely. I think and
this this.
Speaker 3: Move is definitely putting a lot of attention to the
facts that there are people high up in government that
are going to make decisions in those courts in your state,
will end up making decisions about government officials and their actions.
And so people, if they want to have their voice heard,
need to be involved and they need to be voting
in these in these races in the Supreme Court race.
So yes, very expensive race, very important rates that will
really you know, as we watch President Trump and his
administration and cabinet members, they're all meeting right now, actually
first cabinet meeting. But as they you know, deregulate things,
as they push, you know, more power back down into
the states, like you're going to see with Linda McMahon
with the Secretary and the Secretary of Education. The President
Trump has said and want more power going back down
to the states, back to the parents. That state level leadership,
that is who you're electing at the state level. How
involved you are, is going to have a huge impact
on your ability to live a free and healthy life
in your state.
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Speaker 1: Our guest today is Moms for Liberty co founder Tiffany
Justice really on what is going on in parental rights
in America. Some significant victories obviously over the last few
years in this country, some big challenges as well. You know,
you mentioned the whole States rights issue, and that certainly
lost in the Biden administration. But then you have governors
in states like Maine, Janet Mills, and I think we've
all seen the video, We've all read the story about
the Democrat governor of Maine saying that she would see
President Trump in court because she, of course is a
vehement defender of men in women's sports, boys and girls sports.
And so, you know, we have this battle going on.
But you hear from the left now, which of course
was never much into states' rights until it came to
supporting these what the vast majority of Americans, I believe
look insane policies like the one we are seeing in Wisconsin.
They're claiming states' rights. What do you say to that,
the argument that Maine should have the absolute right as
a state to allow women men to compete in women's sports,
and to mutilate children and to allow school districts, you know,
to hide the child's identity and not have those important
conversations with parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say the same thing that President Trump says,
which was good luck. You know, she said she's complying
with state and federal law. He said, I am federal law.
We are federal law. And so he's been very very
clear on this issue, and you know, in that exchange,
it was just very interesting to me to see that governor,
you know, go up against the president and then the
President say, oh, and by the way, you may not
be elected for very much longer, because you know he's
going to make sure she's not. And it's important to
have that type of leadership to say, you know, if
you're not doing what the will of the people want,
we're going to come into even a state like Maine
and help the citizens of Maine have their voice heard.
I talk to main parents all the time. The Governor
Mills is very far away from what the majority of
people in Maine want. They do not have a well
functioning representative govern And then you see President Trump and
the Opposite of Civil Rights and the Department of Education
launch an investigation into Maine. And then we saw Pam Bondi,
Attorney General Pam Bondi say not only Maine, but now California,
and I believe it was New Jersey that the DOJ
is looking into. There are federal laws like Title nine
are there is a role for the federal government to
help to protect the rights and freedoms that the Constitution
grants to us as American citizens, and that isn't.
Speaker 2: Going to stop. And so while certain things are.
Speaker 3: As supposed to be the domain of the states, these
types of things like Title nine, like protecting women and girls,
like civil rights and general parental rights, these are things
where the federal government should and can weigh in, and
there's a role for them. And so again I say
to Governor Mills, good luck, Governor Mills, because I think
you're going to lose this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Governor Janet, of course is it's an interesting situation
in Maine. There's a petition drive for her recall and
they've got, as I read the story this morning, already
fifteen thousand signatures in a very short period of time.
The problem is, Maine is one of thirty states that
does not have a recall mechanism for governors. This is
something I know very well because I covered the infamous
leftist led recall of Governor Scott Walker, Republican, simply because
he went up against the public sector unions, the teachers' unions,
way back in twenty eleven. But the message is still
very clear, is it not? Even if there is no
mechanism truly for recall in May, no the message.
Speaker 2: Is clear that we're going to get involved in races
all over the country.
Speaker 3: That this idea that you know, while it's a blue
state and you know, we're not going to affect no,
the people have spoken.
Speaker 2: There was a very clear mandate.
Speaker 3: President Trump did well in Maine and there are a
lot of people that support him, and he mentioned that.
And you know, I saw another person, very interesting person,
Nicole Shanahan, who has been working closely with Bobby Kennedy,
and she said to a couple different people on XI Washington,
she said, you know, we're going to primary you.
Speaker 2: We're getting involved in races.
Speaker 3: You see people like Elon Musk, you know, two hundred
and seventy million dollars he puts into a presidential race
and starts with his America pack and a first pack
and really makes a difference. So I think you're seeing
new and different people getting involved in politics, and they're
willing to put some money behind some of these races
and make sure that we have better candidates for people
to choose from, and make sure that when you have
people that are not doing what the people in the
state want, that we make sure they don't get elected
again or and their friends don't get elected, and so
I think the landscape and politics is changing. People are
getting more involved. They recognize that they have to be
involved at that local level. But being involved in the
local level and making sure that people understand the issues
that are important and where other candidates stand on those issues.
Something like a school board election can affect all of
the different races up ballot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And really that's where Mom's
for Liberty got in the trenches and said, you know,
it's important to do all of this stuff at the
federal level, but the decisions that are impacting families lives,
children's lives daily happen at the local school of boards,
at the local county governments, at the you know.
Speaker 2: The local level.
Speaker 1: And I think Moms for Liberty and some other groups
parental rights groups have done an excellent job of finding
candidates to stand up for parental rights. But I would
assume that that is a constant recruitment battle. Is it
easier today? Is it just as challenging as it ever
was to recruit candidates for these local positions. I think
it is.
Speaker 3: Getting easier because people are aware of the fact that
it's something that they need to that needs to be
a part of their lives. I think for a lot
of people, as I said before, we were just kind of,
you know, living our lives, moms, dads, building businesses, right, working,
taking care of parents, doing different things, and running for office,
being involved in office with something somebodybody else did.
Speaker 2: Right, it was Oh, I'm not.
Speaker 3: A politician, but the truth of the matter is that
we need everybody to run for office and to be involved.
So I think just civic responsibility in general, people understanding
that they have a role to play and getting involved,
even like people like Elon Musk. You know today he
said I'm getting a lot of death threats. We know
that his tesla's stock has taken a hit, and yet
here he is standing up for what's right because he's
worried America is going to go bankrupt and he knows
he needs to help to fix it. So if Elon Musk,
can you roll up his leaves and get involved, all
of us can too. So I think from that perspective,
people's awareness of needing to run for office is important.
Speaker 2: Now are people doing it? Well?
Speaker 3: It is a big sacrifice, you know, it really does
change your life. I think is a wonderful thing. I
learned a lot when I served in office. But it's
not for everyone. So if you're listening to this and
you're thinking, well, you know what, I don't think running
up for office is for me. Find a friend who
maybe you think could run for office, and then help them,
because when you run for office, you do need a
lot of help. You need a steck terry, you need
a treasurer, you need a campaign manager, you need people
to help you with your advertising and promotion.
Speaker 2: And so there are lots of different.
Speaker 3: Things that you can do to help people to run
for office. And I'm really hopeful that I think more
and more people are going to step up and run
for office and run with other people so you have
a good slate of candidates, so you can really get
in there and flip a whole board. Like you said,
this Wisconsin Supreme Court race is going to change the
makeup of the board and can dictate that it would
become conservative, and that would be important because and the
same thing can happen at the school board level. You
can make a lot of change happen when you have
control of a board.
Speaker 1: It's a question I ask my guest a lot on
the Federalist Radio Hour because we talk about so many
fundamental foundational things. But you know, the question ultimately is
where are we going from here? But we can't get
there until we ask the question how did we get here?
And I'm going to ask you that, Tiffany, how do
you think we got here in America? Over these last
several years where we have a governor in a state
who is pushing gender neutral terms in seminated persons, exchanging
the term mother for inseminated persons, and you know the
battles that the left have waged, you know, in transgender
America and the medical mutilation of children. As we talked about,
how did we get here? Because it didn't happen overnight,
that's for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to say something first that I think everyone
needs to really listen to and hear and repeat. There
is no such thing as a transgender child. There's no
such thing as a transgender person. We have people who
are dealing with mental health distress, and we should be
compassionate with them and get them the help that they need.
But we've been foisted into this world of nonsense and
of pathologizing oftentimes just very normal things that people go
through which may be puberty, may be sadness, depression, and anxiety.
Normal things that we are literally raising children to think
need to be treated with medication and other things. So
we need to be really clear about the fact that
there are men and there are women. How did we
get here?
Speaker 2: It was very intentional.
Speaker 3: I mean I've watched and learned as there was a
very intentional push in the United States to take to
take us down a Marxist communist path, and the schools
have been used as a major part of that, with
people going into colleges and then teachers teachers colleges and
then making their way into the classrooms and then really
trying to turn education from education to activism. And you know,
there there are We could get into a lot of
the different people that helped to make that happen, But
the truth of the matter is that we just let
our eye off the ball. I think we got comfortable
in America, and as I said before, we got busy
living our lives and not realizing that there were a
lot of people that were getting involved, especially in these
local races, the teachers unions and others that do want
to radically transform the United States of America. They do
want a socialist country. I did an interview with a
young man. I normally take all of the interviews with
high school and college students. As a mom of four
now teenagers, I think it's very important to talk to teenagers.
And this young man said to me at the end
of the interview, which it was kind of a spicy interview,
he didn't I could tell he wasn't. He didn't like
me very much. He said, I just want to tell you,
missus Justice, that I disagree with everything that you think.
And I said, well, everything, that's a lot. I bet
if we talked for a minute we could find something
we agree on. He said no, he said, you don't
understand I'm a communist.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you go to make sense. You're seventeen
for communists. But the thing but at our summit that.
Speaker 3: We had in Philadelphia, the people that were protesting outside
of the summitit were the young, the young socialists, the
revolutionary communists. There is a real communist movement in the
United States of America, and they have put themselves into
different positions in order to be able to have power
and control. And the truth is that we have to
invest in politics and order to get power and to
maintain power so that we have better people serving in office.
So these decisions like Governor Evers and Janet Mills, these
decisions aren't being made that we aren't being our courts
aren't forced to have to deal with these types of
ridiculous things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, again, this is decades and decades in making,
I think, And you know, if you want to look
at it historically, you speak to it historically. You know,
there was the Red Scare that occurred in Cold War America,
the Cold War Cold War World, and you know, there
was this pushback that occurred because of the belief that
you know, rooting out communism in the State Department and
whatever had gone too far, that civil liberties had been
you know, had been broached. And I think there is
some truth to that, but I think that whole time
period allowed the left, the Marxist left in America, to
further infiltrate education systems, particularly public education systems in America
and higher institutions of education. And what did we get
decades later? We got you know, people backing terrorist groups,
students backing terrorist groups on Columbia's campus and campuses across
the country. We got a spike in anti Semitism, people
forgetting that the genocide that had occurred in pre World
War two, and in World War two we got this
whole DEI push that has infiltrated all of our systems
out there. It's a long time in the making. So
with all of that said, how do you go about
breaking that cycle, breaking that up, and making real change
to combat that losing agenda in America?
Speaker 2: So a lot of.
Speaker 3: People focus on the moms and the moms and the
dads and moms for Liberty, and the moms are doing
amazing work. First, they're the bravest, smartest people I know
across the country. They have stood up in a time
where we needed them.
Speaker 2: They have fought. I think of them as really the
soldiers of our time.
Speaker 3: Fighting at the front lines of the battle. But the
other part that we don't talk about enough, I think
are the kids and the fact that moms for Liberty,
moms and dads and parents all over the country are
raising the next generation of patriots.
Speaker 2: And so that's really what this is about. The Left
wants our children.
Speaker 3: They want to use the schools in order to drive
a wedge between the parent and the child so they
can introduce ideas and thoughts into our children's head that
will transform our country. And as you've said, with what
we saw on Columbia and college campuses across the country,
a horrible war on Jews, but broadly a war on
Western civilization. You know, the issue is never the issue.
The issue is always the revolution. And a good friend
of mine, James Lindsay, says that often it is good
to remember, and so we have to focus on the
kids and making sure that our children know one understand
the real history of America, how far we've come. We've
had bad things happen in our history, but we've overcome
them as a country. I think that's why some of
the critical race theory bothers me so much.
Speaker 2: I grew up in the you know, in the nineties.
Speaker 3: I was in high school and I was told you
could love who you wanted to love, mary who you
wanted to marry, have babies with who you wanted to
have babies with.
Speaker 2: And yet now we have children being.
Speaker 3: Taught in school that if their father's white and their
mother's black, that part of them is good, and part
of them is bad, part of them is oppressed, and
part of them.
Speaker 2: As an oppressor. I can't think of a worse thing that.
Speaker 3: You could possibly tell a young child, and that's not
what America is about. And so really it's up to
parents today now to make sure that we teach our
children how special and unique America is, how blessed we
are to live in this country, and the fact that
it's up to them now to pay attention to what's
happening and to always stay involved. The price of liberty
is truly eternal vigilance.
Speaker 1: You raise a very good point, because I am a
man of a certain age. I grew up in the ages,
went to school in the eighties, in the early nineties,
and I can tell you that what I learned in
school was, you know, basically the ideas that Martin Luther
King Junior and other civil rights activist I think rightly
pushed out there that it is the content of character,
not the color of skin, that got turned on its head.
We were told all the things that you mentioned about
equality and you know, judging people by their actions, not
their skin color or you know whatever. And I think
over the last several years in this country, the Marxist
movement and the Dei indoctrinators told us well Yeah, that's
all fine and good. But if you're white, or if
you don't fit in to the proper identity politics that
were pushing, you're the enemy. You're evil, you're wrong, you're
part of the systemic racism. I truly believe that. You know,
people got tired of that for a while. They were
so fatigued, I think, and they were so worried about
being called a racist, a bigot, or a homophobe or
whatever that they didn't want to engage. And then finally
they did, indeed, in droves, wake up and say, no,
I'm not a bad person. This is what I believe
in equality. I don't believe in Marxist equity. That doesn't
make me evil. Do you see that? Did you see
that going on? And was that in part why you
got involved in this fight?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my friends who are gay will
tell you that the civil rights movement amongst gay people,
the LGB part of our society wanted tolerance. They wanted
to be able to live a life as they chose.
They weren't looking to force the entire country to celebrate
their lifestyle. And yet now in schools that's what we
have happening, and so I think that that's been very
damaging to gay rights in America. When you have you know,
and let's be clear, lgb sexual orientation T transgender, This
is a mental illness and Q queer theory. Queer is
a political theory and you and it's and it's really
meant to destabilize our society. It's why that LGBTQ pride
flag never has an end to it. It's how you
get something called maps minor attracted people instead of pedophiles.
Because the queer theory, if somebody says they're queer, there's
no limiting principle to queer theory. That's very concerning. And
you know, a tree by its fruit, I'll tell you,
you know, to go back to what I was talking about.
As far as the students are concerned. There was a
young young boy in Tennessee who went through a nine
week civil rights module and the civil rights module was
his English language arts curriculum, if you can believe that.
Speaker 2: And he's six years old.
Speaker 1: He had.
Speaker 3: A white father and a black mother and said, I, mommy,
I don't want anyone to know that daddy is white.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And when you have a six year old that doesn't
want their dad to drop them off at school because
they don't want anyone to know that he's white.
Speaker 2: Because they feel such shame at that. That's a problem.
Speaker 3: This is a public school that is indoctrinating these children
to believe that. So, you know, it's very important, I think,
for us all to come together and to help our
children to live in this country that has lots of
different people, with lots of different races and religions, and
to find a way to live together.
Speaker 1: That's breathtakingly sad. I just I am so sad that
we are at this place in time after so many
real struggles, real struggles in the civil rights movement in
this country and elsewhere. And that's what it has come
down to, you know, the whole anti racism so called,
which is actual racism. That know, discrimination is wrong unless
it's the right kind of discrimination. That's what is at stake.
And you talk about defining the language, the left has
always been very good and that's the core of what
they do, changing the language, expanding the language with very nice,
flowery terms that are actually very evil at their core
in many instances. Back to our earlier the earlier part
in our conversation when we talked about, you know, children
or teachers trying to intervene in the lives of children
by saying, if you are not accepted for the way
you identify in your gender at home, i'm your mom, now,
I'm your dad now, that kind of thing. Well, as
we know, Hillary Clinton years ago used to say that
it takes a village to raise a child, which always
sounded so good to the left, but what they really
meant was it takes a village to take a child,
I think in many ways, and that is what is
at stake here, Is it not Tiffany, Because if parents
don't get into this fight, someone at some level is
going to take their child.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we should all be very very aware of
the concern. But I want to be clear about this.
I think the majority of teachers in America are fantastic,
and we have put on their plate more and more
and more every year. They don't want to raise other
people's children. They got in to teach children and it's
a wonderful profession. And so the majority of American teachers,
even in our public schools, I think, love the kids
and they respect parents, and they don't want any part
of this woke nonsense. So it is a small group
of educators who believe that they're activists who are doing
this work. And then we have the union bosses, the
teachers' unions. If you don't believe me that the union
bosses are pushing this nonsense, you should go look at
the agendas for their different early events that they do.
You can see what they're focused on, and reading is
nowhere on that list. When President Biden stood up in
the Rose Garden, I think it was teacher Appreciation Day
or something, he said, when they're in your classroom, they're
like your children. That's not true. And so parents just
to have to really have this set in their minds.
These are our children. You make decisions for them.
Speaker 2: If you go to the.
Speaker 3: Doctor with your child and the doctor asks you to
step out of the room to ask your child questions,
you need to tell them no.
Speaker 2: You need to send a letter to your.
Speaker 3: Child's school and say I do not want my child
meeting with any adults without my informed consent, without me knowing,
and meet given consent for my child to meet with
those adults. There are counselors and psychologists at schools that
are meeting with children. Oftentimes parents do not know that parents,
you have to stand up for your fundamental parental rights.
And I hope at some point we will turn the tide.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: What you're going to see with these executive orders President
Trump is putting out. He is answering the prayers and
concerns of parents across the country, ending radical indoctrination in schools,
protecting girls and women in private spaces. We have been
we were pleading with the President to do those things,
and he has come through. But now it's now that
it's time for Americans to do the hard work of
codifying these executive orders into law, Supporting our representatives and
our senators to make sure that these laws get passed
so the President can sign them into law, and then
to pay attention in the courts, to be plaintiffs, to
be willing to be plaintiffs, to stand up and report
when things are happening to our children in these schools,
and to really push past any concerns about retribution, because.
Speaker 2: It's true they are there.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had the Department of Justice calling parents
domestic terrorists, right They tried to silence us to protect.
Speaker 2: A failing system. They six the FBI on us for
Heaven's sakes.
Speaker 3: So parents need to know that now is the time
for them to stand up to have their voices heard,
to work with the Department of Education, the Department of Justice,
to work in their own communities to make sure that
their parental rights are going to be protected.
Speaker 1: You've been very generous to the time. I very much appreciated.
Final question for you, and it is the what's next question.
It's what's next for moms for liberty in this battle?
What's next for Tiffany Justice?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Moms or Liberty is going to keep doing the
work that they have set out to do, which is
to unified, educate, and empower parents to defend their parental
rights at all levels of government with a real focus
on education and making sure that our children are really
learning how to read in school, getting back to the
basics in school, and making sure that our parental rights
are protected at the state level. So I think you're
going to see a lot of action at the state
level this legislative session from moms at their state capitals,
working with as I said, there are representatives and their
state senators to make sure that bills are passed that
protect their parental rights and they kill bills that are
going to infringe upon those rights, and so I'm very
excited to see the progress that moms will make as
far as I'm concerned, I'm excited to lead this coalition
at the Heritage Foundation. Again, as I said, take all
of these lessons that I've learned and all of the
connections that I've made across the country and help to
weave a very cool parental rights tapestry. There are people
that I meet every day who don't know certain people
that they should know, or new people that are adjoining
the fight that want to get involved and have skills
and talents that they can use to help others. And
so going to help to make sure we have the
right people testifying on bills, going to make sure that
policy that's being made in the country is being made
in a way that does not infringe on our parental rights.
And I'm going to make sure that President Trump and
again his cabinet, his administration have the ability to execute
on all of those promises that they have made to
the American public, so we can make sure that we
keep those promises very good.
Speaker 1: I don't know of a more important fight than for
our children, first and foremost our parents, and our families.
Thanks to my guest today, Moms for Liberty co founder
Tiffany Justice, you've been listening to another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at
The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then,
stay lovers of freedom. I'm anxious for the fray.
Speaker 2: I heard the fame, voice the reason, and then it
faded away.