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<v Speaker 1>The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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<v Speaker 2>The population of atheists in this country is going through the.

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<v Speaker 1>Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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<v Speaker 3>I put my hand on a book and made a wish.

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<v Speaker 1>And working together for a more rational world.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna beg your indulgence. You know I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>begging your indulgence. Have you noticed I'm always throwing myself

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<v Speaker 2>at your feet and saying, Okay, I need a little understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to do it again today. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the audio from a recent YouTube live stream. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've launched this Monday night, six pm Central video live

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<v Speaker 2>stream called Seth Andrews on a Tangent. And you're familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with the format because I do about twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes on whatever subject is on my mind, and then

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<v Speaker 2>take your calls on whatever subject you want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about and of course we were talking about the Pope,

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Pontiff, who is in critical condition. He's in

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<v Speaker 2>very poor health, and I had thoughts about the church

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<v Speaker 2>and the Pontiffs. So I start with that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to play you the audio of that for today.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are two reasons. First, it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>great show and I thought the podcast audience would really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. Second, Lee, I need to free up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bandwidth because of a very busy month of March,

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<v Speaker 2>I am traveling. I'm a little scared about getting on

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<v Speaker 2>a plane these days, watching the headlines. Every time I

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<v Speaker 2>wake up, there's a new incident. This plane crashed into

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<v Speaker 2>a chopper. This plane landed and freaking flipped over and

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<v Speaker 2>caught fire. This plane almost crashed into another plane on

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<v Speaker 2>the tarmac. I was telling Forrest Valci, who's also doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of travel, I'm like, how long is the

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<v Speaker 2>drive from Oklahoma to Phoenix? You know, Tulsa to Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tempted, Tulsa to our land. You know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna look it up. Drive time Tulsa to Orlando, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, seventeen hours, forty eight minutes, one two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty point eight eight miles. I would normally have scoffed,

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<v Speaker 2>but lately, you know, eighteen hours didn't sound all that

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<v Speaker 2>long to me. Somebody posted a meme and said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should renormalize everybody breaking into applause on the

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<v Speaker 2>plane after it lands. You know, that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel. But anyway, I know it's say statistically, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still the sleafest way to travel. I know all that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just my emotional side, my lizard brain that's

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<v Speaker 2>been thinking about it. But Secular Arizona invited me to

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<v Speaker 2>stand on the capital steps and speak about secular values,

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<v Speaker 2>state church separation and why all the bullshit going on

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<v Speaker 2>with the Christian Nationalists and the Zealots and everybody's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to turn Arizona and the other forty nine states into

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<v Speaker 2>a freaking Christian church. How they are betraying the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 2>the intent to the founders and pretty much all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm honored. I'm going to go down there and

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<v Speaker 2>do that on Thursday the sixth, ten o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The weekend of March the fifteenth, Orlando is the Florida

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<v Speaker 2>freethont Conference. I'm going to be officiating a wedding in

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<v Speaker 2>San Antonio near the end of the month, getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the month of April. It's going to be crazy anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>with all of the events on the calendar, too many

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<v Speaker 2>for me to mention here in detail. Phoenix, Orlando, Alexandria, Virginia, Minneapolis, Calgary, Alberta, Seattle, Washington, Wichita, Nashville, Sarnia, Ontario,

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<v Speaker 2>Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. All of these and others as

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<v Speaker 2>they are scheduled. You can find the details and links

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<v Speaker 2>at the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events. So today's audio

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<v Speaker 2>from a recent live stream is going to allow me

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<v Speaker 2>to finish my speech or the Capitol steps in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I will play that for you when I return.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for listening. Good evening, everybody. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're safe and well. Been watching the headlines about

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<v Speaker 2>so much going on in the world, but people are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Pope. So that's what I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about here in the opening monologue. As we wait

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<v Speaker 2>for people to call in on the switchboard, if there's

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<v Speaker 2>something that is on your mind you want to chit

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<v Speaker 2>chat about, please do so. Pope Francis eighty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in the hospital critical condition, double pneumonia, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>know he's eighty eight. So now you and I are

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<v Speaker 2>having this conversation like, okay, all right, is this when

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<v Speaker 2>it begins again? Somebody on Facebook said that we had

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<v Speaker 2>been through four pope in our lifetimes. Depending on your age,

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<v Speaker 2>that seems like a lot of popes. That's many popes

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<v Speaker 2>in our lifetime. And if we lose the pope, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for the papal conclave to come in and

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<v Speaker 2>select a new pope. Now, if you've seen the film

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<v Speaker 2>Conclave with Ray Fines, you've already had a sneak peek

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<v Speaker 2>and do a little bit of what it's like behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes. But I have a problem with pope selection

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<v Speaker 2>on a number of fronts. First of all, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is true with the canonization of the Bible books and

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<v Speaker 2>so much more. Why are human beings voting on God's will?

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<v Speaker 2>That God's will? Why would you need to vote? And

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<v Speaker 2>then why would there ever be a disagreeing vote? If

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit was guiding all of these faith leaders, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>they be in unison wouldn't there be unanimity. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>it only men they get to vote on God's will?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are the women? Why do they have to vote

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<v Speaker 2>in a locked room? The ceremoniously go and lock the door.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that about? Why does it have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>secret vote? What's that about? I don't understand? And who

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<v Speaker 2>came up with the culty batshit ritual for pope selection.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote about this in my twenty fifteen book Sacred Cows.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe it's been ten years since Sacred Cows

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<v Speaker 2>came out. The hettle chapter on the pope and some

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<v Speaker 2>wild wanky Catholic tradition specific we talked about pope selection. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was two years after Benedict had had abdicated.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't die. Normally, the pope has to kick off

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<v Speaker 2>and then you replace the dead pope and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the traditions and the church denies this, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>long been rumored that there is a position in the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic hierarchy for someone called the Camerlengo. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>not kidding, but according to many who say that they

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<v Speaker 2>are informed about the history of the Church, when a

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<v Speaker 2>pope dies, there is a designated camera lengo, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>goes into the room where the dead pope is lying

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<v Speaker 2>and they tap him three times on the head with

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<v Speaker 2>a hammer, just to make sure he's dead. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>not true, it needs to be true. And how do

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<v Speaker 2>I get that job? Who gets to knock a hammer

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<v Speaker 2>on the dead but just tap him? Who gets to

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<v Speaker 2>do that job? I want to be a camera lingo. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the church is kind of like, oh, well, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>really do that. Let them continue to deny. I will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to believe that it still goes on today. But

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<v Speaker 2>when Benedict abdicated, they had to go and they had

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<v Speaker 2>to find a new pope, and so they began this

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<v Speaker 2>wacky wanky ritual one hundred and fourteen men and go

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<v Speaker 2>in the papal conclave and they sit in here in

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<v Speaker 2>this room, and they cast their ballots, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>count the ballots, and they take the pellets and they

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<v Speaker 2>put them in this will fire box and burn the ballots.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they haven't agreed on who the new pope

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be, they have these canisters that they

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<v Speaker 2>shove into a furnace with a pipe that goes out

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the building, and the color of the

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<v Speaker 2>smoke that goes out the top communicates to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world whether or not they have been successful

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<v Speaker 2>in designating a new replacement Supreme Pontiff. Black smoke means, ah, ow,

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<v Speaker 2>we have no pope. White smoke is what we want. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>What blows my mind is this with every pope selection, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>with every pope death, appointment and selection whatever, the media

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<v Speaker 2>goes nuts. It is like the lead story on all

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<v Speaker 2>the major networks, national networks, many local networks, the Pope,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pope, the Pope, the Pope, and they have cameras

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<v Speaker 2>drained on the chimney coming out of the papal conclave

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<v Speaker 2>voting area. And when they see the black smoke, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you can just watch. You can just watch the smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>It's black twenty four to seven. And there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who leave this window up waiting for the moment when

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<v Speaker 2>the black smoke turns to white smoke, signifying yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>vote has been unanimously received, we have a pope. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't understand it. And then they celebrate with cheers

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<v Speaker 2>and tears and fanfare over a selection that affects the

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<v Speaker 2>everyday lives of nobody. Nobody. Yeah, you think about how

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<v Speaker 2>little attention most Catholics act actually pay to the church.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that most practicing Catholics are not really practicing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we also know that the Catholic Church does not

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<v Speaker 2>promote or encourage Bible literacy. You know you're not. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't prompt people go and dive into the scriptures and

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<v Speaker 2>glean truths and we will come back and discuss and

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<v Speaker 2>debate richer in our knowledge of Christ. They don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You go in, you sit down, your genuflect, and you

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever, and they dole out a few more souls,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you go off to your beer and bingo. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're done. And then you can send as much as

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<v Speaker 2>you want and hit the confessional reset. Slates wiped clean.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I can go out and I can do all

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<v Speaker 2>the shit I want till the next time I confess.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the catholicture. But we know that a huge

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of people in the Catholic Church ignore most of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff the Catholic Church tells them to do. Don't divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, screw, I'm going to sign the paper right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's separate. I'm done. No women in leadership. How many

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<v Speaker 2>of the women who are Catholics have positions or jobs

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<v Speaker 2>which include women in leadership positions. There are offshoot to

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church that have elected or appointed or allowed

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<v Speaker 2>priests who are female. They stand against the whole of

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican. Intoxication is

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<v Speaker 2>a sin. Catholics are like, oh, that's terrible, past the

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<v Speaker 2>wine and weed. Please LGBT people being gay as a sin.

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<v Speaker 2>You think most Catholics give a shit whether somebody is

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<v Speaker 2>hetero or non hetero. They just don't. What the Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>Church does has almost no meaning in their everyday lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Right cultural Catholicism. You show up, you attend Mass, you

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<v Speaker 2>and dory and smile, big hog, great sermon, sir or

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<v Speaker 2>ma'am if you're in one of the more progressive pods.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you go back and you know, you might

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<v Speaker 2>wear the crucifix, you might have a picture of the

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<v Speaker 2>Virgin Mary or something. It's really a non thing, which

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<v Speaker 2>might explain its popularity. A religion where you get to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the club without having to really do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But people are interested, they're fascinated by the pope of

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<v Speaker 2>the religion. They largely ignore and people who are not.

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<v Speaker 2>Catholics are obsessed. People right now are like, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>condition of the Pope? And I don't wish any ill

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<v Speaker 2>will on Francis. I'm not that guy. I go back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth on Pope Francis, and I wrote about this

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<v Speaker 2>in Sacred Cows. We have seen over the last ten

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<v Speaker 2>years he would come forward and personally say something that

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<v Speaker 2>was more charitable than the church historically has said. He

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<v Speaker 2>would make a position or take a stand, or say

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<v Speaker 2>something really egalitarian, and we would be like, well, that

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<v Speaker 2>and they all go behind closed doors, and he would

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, well, you know, the Catholic Church says

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<v Speaker 2>that the Pope is infallible, but infallible doesn't mean infallible,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've got all these wacky apologetics to define what

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<v Speaker 2>and when he says shit, they don't like that the church.

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<v Speaker 2>do judge gay people, but with Francis, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he is the head of a seventy three billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar corporation with a long history of rapists. There has

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<v Speaker 2>I can't give the pope a pass on the crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>the heinous crimes of the Catholic Church. Right, And now

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<v Speaker 2>and one way or the other he's going to pass away.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching that Monty Python skit the other day with John

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<v Speaker 2>I substituted Pope. You know, you know he's passed on.

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<v Speaker 4>The pontiff is no more. He has ceased to be

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, someone needs to do that everyone's going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>their minds. The media is going to totally focus on

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<v Speaker 2>this when there's so much other shit going on in

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of old, nasty, creepy, virgin people in robes

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<v Speaker 2>and big hats are going to cast votes to determine

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<v Speaker 2>what God's will is because God didn't show up to

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<v Speaker 2>a point the pope to begin with, and we are,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason going to act like we care. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, we have a new pope. I'm just struck

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<v Speaker 2>by it. I'm really fascinated by it. Catholicism is not

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<v Speaker 2>known for normalcy anyway. Right. I talked in my speech

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<v Speaker 2>Convention two years ago, about communion and how Catholics believe

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<v Speaker 2>in transubstantiation. They believe that when you eat the cracker

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<v Speaker 2>and the wine, that this it transforms. God just miracles

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<v Speaker 2>it as it goes down the gullet. The cracker becomes

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<v Speaker 2>flesh and the wine becomes Jesus' blood. Now, this has

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<v Speaker 2>been totally refuted by any examination of stomach contents that

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<v Speaker 2>has ever been done. And there was an organization. They

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of a wacky organization. I think they were Rallian,

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<v Speaker 2>but they actually carried out an experiment and they monitored communion,

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<v Speaker 2>wine and crackers as they were eaten to see if

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<v Speaker 2>there was any transformation that took place. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>you're well ahead of me. You know that there was

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<v Speaker 2>no transformation that took place. And then the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 2>is like, well, it changes, but it's not detectable as

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<v Speaker 2>a change. Yet another miracle. What an amazing thing that is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's physical properties transform. But the next miracle is is

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<v Speaker 2>that we can only perceive the original properties and not

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<v Speaker 2>perceive the transformation in our insect like mortality, our inability

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<v Speaker 2>to grasp the mind and miracles of God. The miracle

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<v Speaker 2>must look like it never happened. This is the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. And now we're coming up on Lent. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in the wilderness before he embarked on his adult ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>if he pops out there, he is, he's in the manger.

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<v Speaker 2>He got you know, all of this fanfare, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he just freaking disappears for three decks. Nobody knows what

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus did. Then then he comes back. Aha, Now I

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<v Speaker 2>am preparing for my ministry on earth, now that I

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<v Speaker 2>am thirty years of age. And he wanders off into

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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness for forty days, he does not eat, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is occasionally tempted by the devil. The devil's tappening

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<v Speaker 2>on the shoulder, going, why don't you prove your god

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<v Speaker 2>like powers?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, all you got to do is do this

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<v Speaker 2>and do that. And God is like, thou shalt not

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<v Speaker 2>tempt the Lord thy God. I don't know why you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do it, or why would he care what Satan

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<v Speaker 2>even listen to the guy? But why not just do it?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Fine, you want to see me do my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all powerful. Hey, how don't I stay like you

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<v Speaker 2>can just totally put him in his place. But beyond that,

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<v Speaker 2>this was the humility of Jesus as he communicated with God,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant God was talking to himself. I and the

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<v Speaker 2>Father are one. Jesus and God are the same person.

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<v Speaker 2>God impregnated the virgin, which wasn't a virgin, with himself

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<v Speaker 2>to have himself birthed so that himself or he could

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<v Speaker 2>then die and be resurrected himself to save us from

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<v Speaker 2>the hell that he himself created. So now Jesus is

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<v Speaker 2>in the wilderness, He's praying to himself, dear me, I

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<v Speaker 2>lie down here. I'd throw myself prostrate before the inhumility

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<v Speaker 2>to prepare me for my ministry on the earth. Please

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<v Speaker 2>me give me what I need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do this weird stuff for a god to say. Catholics

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<v Speaker 2>are like, oh, we got to honor this. Jesus made

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<v Speaker 2>such a great sacrifice. So for forty days, and it

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<v Speaker 2>starts on a different day every year, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's March the sixth, the fifth of the sixth this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes through I want to say the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 2>or nineteenth of April. That's Easter weekend. And they say

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<v Speaker 2>ash Wednesday and you know what ash Wednesday is. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I ever have to ask what the date is because

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<v Speaker 2>you see a bunch of fucking Catholics walking around with

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<v Speaker 2>ash smeared on their forehead. Ash in this in the

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<v Speaker 2>face of a cross. And this goes back to the

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<v Speaker 2>scripture right from Ashes. I'm trying to remember the paraphrase

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<v Speaker 2>of the verse, from Ashes thou hast come, and to Ash,

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<v Speaker 2>thou shalt return, something along those lines. It's in the

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<v Speaker 2>Book of Genesis. Somebody look it up for me and

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<v Speaker 2>check me. Ash Wednesday twenty four hours wearing ash like

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<v Speaker 2>it's totally normal, running around with an ash cross on

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<v Speaker 2>their freaking forehead. After that, they finish with thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>days of denying themselves something. I'm giving this up for

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<v Speaker 2>lent and the shit they call denial. It just blows

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. Yes, I mean Jesus fasted in the desert

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<v Speaker 2>or well over one month by myself will honor his

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<v Speaker 2>great commitment. I will give up coffee. I will have

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<v Speaker 2>no coffee for forty days. Yes, Lord, I am obedient

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<v Speaker 2>in the eyes of God. I looked up websites. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a blog coming out about this in early March.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing my research I saw there are whole Catholic websites

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<v Speaker 2>with advice recommendations on shit that you can deny yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to qualify for giving it up for Lent. It's a punchline.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a few examples. I, in order to feel just

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<v Speaker 2>a measure of the discomfort of the Christ, will sleep

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<v Speaker 2>with fewer blankets on my bed for Lent. I will

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<v Speaker 2>eat these six ounce fil a, but I will I

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<v Speaker 2>will skip dessert for Lent. I will not go shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not buy anything on Amazon for forty days

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<v Speaker 2>for Lent. I will not drink beer. I will not

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<v Speaker 2>use Facebook. I won't use cuss words. I refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>swear until after April to nineteenth, and then fuck it.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not take hot showers. There are people who

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<v Speaker 2>will only shower in cold water from March the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>to April the nineteenth because they think Jesus would be

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<v Speaker 2>honored by that. Explain it to me. One website recommended

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<v Speaker 2>that you only take the shitty parking spaces. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh look there's a slot right up front. No. No, I,

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<v Speaker 2>in my righteousness honoring the Christ, I will go way

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<v Speaker 2>out here to the bf E and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make myself walk three hundred yards, because that's what an

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<v Speaker 2>obedient and faithful servant would do. Bad parking for God,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot make this shit up. So if the pope dies,

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<v Speaker 2>well there be some kind of a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>sacrificial mourning ritual and the grieving process.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh Francis has postive. I will now park in the

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<v Speaker 6>parking lot of a completely different retail establishment and.

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<v Speaker 4>Walk a half a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you Jesus. Mostly, I'm just struck by how

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<v Speaker 2>often we people are just distracted by the bright shiny thing,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't we. You know, people are starving in the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>got uh was it NATO or the UN. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think who had who today voted to condemn Russia

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<v Speaker 2>for its invasion of Ukraine, and the United States was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't. We voted against it. Our own presidents calling

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine a dictator for being invaded. It's like calling the

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<v Speaker 2>rape victim the predator. You know what, if you address provocatively,

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<v Speaker 2>you had it coming. That's exactly what Trump is doing

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<v Speaker 2>with freaking Ukraine. We've got an anti vaxer in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of health. We've got conspiracy theorists running rampant in the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>them with the nickname Big Balls. I think, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was reassigned to some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>special advisor position. These people, they're doing a tap dance.

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<v Speaker 2>They're playing the sims with our financial information. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>world's on fire. And if this guy dies, the planet

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<v Speaker 2>of nearly eight billion people is going to put on

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<v Speaker 2>their twenty four hours smoke cams and they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be obsessed waiting for the moment when the black

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<v Speaker 2>cloud turns white because a bunch of creepy old Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>virgin dudes voted somebody else in. It's just bizarre to

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<v Speaker 2>me anyway. In my heart, I wish Francis no ill Will.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, part of me's thinking eighty eight is a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good run. What's the average a life span of

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<v Speaker 2>of the American men. I think it's seventy seven something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, you make eighty eight, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you passed your expiration date by eleven years. Powell, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good. And if you believe in heaven, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>part already waiting for you anyway. So I mean, why

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<v Speaker 2>are people grieving? And it's not like people knew him

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<v Speaker 2>personally anyway, So if he passes away, why would there

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<v Speaker 2>be wailing at the Vatican steps. I don't understand any

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<v Speaker 2>of that, but it looks to be the season where

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<v Speaker 2>we may see the people conclave go back in their

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<v Speaker 2>room and start blowing more smoke. What a great metaphor

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<v Speaker 2>for the Catholic Church over the past two thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's the rant or monologue. It wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>a rant. It was just my thoughts for what they

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<v Speaker 2>were worth and your calls on the other side of this.

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<v Speaker 2>We began today's conversation talking about the Catholic Church, but

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners wanted to talk about a lot more. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got Russell. I think it's Russell at six' one, FOUR

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<v Speaker 2>i get that. Right, yes appreciate your, call my. Friend

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<v Speaker 2>Episode i'm happy to SAY i have, not But i'll

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<v Speaker 2>ask what happened on the Latest Joe rogan.

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<v Speaker 7>Episode Apparently Joe rogan was saying that he doesn't mind

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<v Speaker 7>banning fact. CHECKERS i don't really understand what he's talking.

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<v Speaker 7>About apparently he was, like if a source comes from

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<v Speaker 7>a news network LIKE cnn AND msnbc THAT i don't like,

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<v Speaker 7>them it must not be true and it's all just

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<v Speaker 7>some evil, conspiracy you, know at all because they disagree with,

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<v Speaker 7>me they must be pushing some sort of eel conspiracy

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<v Speaker 7>that what they're state is not.

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<v Speaker 2>True so if it's, disconfirming it's part of a deep state.

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<v Speaker 2>Plot but if it's, confirming then it's absolutely. True is

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<v Speaker 2>that the?

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<v Speaker 7>Vibe, yeah but it's, like you, KNOW i don't really

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<v Speaker 7>trust What Fox news says and what write. Parks this

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<v Speaker 7>is just kind of my. Bias but it's, like just

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<v Speaker 7>because it's On Fox news the pride part doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 7>mean it's not. TRUE i, MEAN i can always look

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<v Speaker 7>up their sources to see what they're saying it is.

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<v Speaker 7>Correct but, yeah some people kind of live in their echo.

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<v Speaker 7>Chamber or it's, like if this is being told to

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<v Speaker 7>find a new source THAT i don't, like then it

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<v Speaker 7>must not be. True you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, well and this gets. STICKY i wrote about this

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<v Speaker 2>in another book THAT i published in twenty twenty Called

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<v Speaker 2>confessions of a Former Fox News, christian where we dissect

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<v Speaker 2>right wing propaganda networks masquerading as, News Fox, News, Newsmax,

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<v Speaker 2>oa n right wing, radio et. Cetera And Fox news

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<v Speaker 2>simply does not have the, equity the reputational equity for

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<v Speaker 2>me to take them. Seriously i'm not saying that other

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<v Speaker 2>networks don't have BIASED i don't have, flaws they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>gotten things. Wrong BUT i will say that if it

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<v Speaker 2>Is National Public, radio or if it's The Associated, press

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<v Speaker 2>or even The New York, times wars and, all despite their,

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<v Speaker 2>flaws they have more reputational equity for being investigative journalists

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<v Speaker 2>and for presenting facts in a more fair. Manner and

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<v Speaker 2>these things have been measured so we can, say, oh

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<v Speaker 2>it was On Fox. News, well you AND i have

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<v Speaker 2>every reason to hold up our hand to, goh wait a,

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<v Speaker 2>minute wait a. Minute you, know do you have a

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<v Speaker 2>more reputable source for? That but it's also true that

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<v Speaker 2>we can be creatures of bias and confirmation when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the stuff that we see that we agree

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<v Speaker 2>about ON cnn AND, npr et. Cetera we got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep our eyes and ears. Open BUT i think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just fine for you to, Say i'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it On. Fox there are more reputable organizations THAT

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<v Speaker 2>i can glean this information. From and you, know it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because people who are more, progressive more, liberal actually

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<v Speaker 2>are statistically prone to get their news from a greater

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<v Speaker 2>variety of. Sources they're more prone to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>do this network and that, network and they might do

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<v Speaker 2>more even local and regional. News they just have a

465
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<v Speaker 2>wider palette by which they are able to receive, data

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<v Speaker 2>where conservatives tend to lock more into one or two

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<v Speaker 2>conduits of. Information i'm not trying to, stereotype but that's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Trend and so you, know you AND i meet A

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<v Speaker 2>Fox news there there's a chance that maybe they've been

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<v Speaker 2>locked in a propaganda window and a tunnel and they

471
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<v Speaker 2>simply don't know what the rest of the world looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Like SO i don't know as Anything i've said made

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<v Speaker 2>any sense to. You you got any other, thoughts BECAUSE i,

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<v Speaker 2>MEAN i welcome your input as. WELL i don't have

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<v Speaker 2>all the answers on.

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<v Speaker 7>It by, yes have you ever seen that latest episode

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<v Speaker 7>With Sam. Harris he was talking to a woman who

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<v Speaker 7>was selling her a book particulars Like, Lies God BELIEVE

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<v Speaker 7>i think there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Third, Yeah Catherine, STEWART i interviewed her as well as

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<v Speaker 2>she heard new Book Money lies In. God, Yes i've also.

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<v Speaker 7>Seen your episode where you interviewed with, her but, Yeah

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<v Speaker 7>Sam harris also had a little episode with, her and

484
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<v Speaker 7>he was talking about, how like The New York, times

485
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 7>yeah it could be a bit, biased but, like, uh

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<v Speaker 7>if it makes my little, mistake the conservatives will be, like,

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<v Speaker 7>oh they made this one little, mistake so it must

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<v Speaker 7>may not be. True But Fox news and breitbarte a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of a lot of other right leading new. Sources

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<v Speaker 7>they can say whatever bullshit they want to and it

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<v Speaker 7>don't care because it just confirms their. Biases and the

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<v Speaker 7>PROBLEM i have with people Like Joe rogan is that

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<v Speaker 7>he just kind of assumes that you know that what's

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<v Speaker 7>being told him is truth because it's being told by

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<v Speaker 7>a source that confirms his.

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<v Speaker 8>Bias you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, WELL i Think i'm being charitable WHEN i say

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<v Speaker 2>That Joe rogan is as sharp as. Marble that guy

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<v Speaker 2>falls for every batshit conspiracy theory that comes. Along it

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<v Speaker 2>boggles my mind that he is as popular as he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is and what really hurts is that he has given

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<v Speaker 2>such a platform to anti, science conspiracy, theory and often

503
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 2>corrupt cranks who were doing real damage to the, culture

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<v Speaker 2>and then he befriends them when he, says, Oh i've

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<v Speaker 2>been buddies With Alex jones for twenty. Years, MAN i

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<v Speaker 2>know the. GUY i just keep, Thinking Jesus, christ how

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<v Speaker 2>tone deaf can you be in this culture of where

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<v Speaker 2>hate is so. Rampant i'd like to see The Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Harris Catherine stewart. INTERVIEW i bet he drew out some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff THAT i wasn't even able to get. To sam's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty smart, guy but not all sources are the. SAME

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<v Speaker 2>i think one of the best defenses is to use

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of. Sources have those sources who are checking other,

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<v Speaker 2>sources don't be afraid to read disagreement and be aware

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<v Speaker 2>of our biases at the front. END i think once

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<v Speaker 2>we are cognizant of the fact that we are emotional meat,

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<v Speaker 2>bags we are evolved primates with flawed, brains it helps

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit to get in front of. It

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<v Speaker 2>but you, know you keep fact checking on your own out,

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<v Speaker 2>there and if you learn something we didn't know, here

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<v Speaker 2>let us. Know, Okay, Russell, Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll make sure to call you again IF i get the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chance all, right have a good. One we'll see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Later a super. Chat by the, way thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your. Support patreon dot, com Slash Seth andrews

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<v Speaker 2>or if you superchat me in the next forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes is where we're going to. GO i will read

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<v Speaker 2>your superchats personally on the, air And i'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>start with gimpyg. Gaming gimpy, gaming what are your? Games

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<v Speaker 2>de eia edicts will make working impossible for the. DISABLED

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<v Speaker 2>DISTRICT R e three twenty years. Ago it hurts, man

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<v Speaker 2>you know. What let me read something THAT i posted

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for that nine dollars ninety nine cent super.

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<v Speaker 2>Chat that really does mean a. Lot i've been in

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<v Speaker 2>this weird. SPOT i was talking To natalie Where i'm,

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<v Speaker 2>LIKE i don't want to be, dramatic but you, know

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<v Speaker 2>if they're going after what they call Anti christian bias in,

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<v Speaker 2>GOVERNMENT i figure it won't be long before they they

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<v Speaker 2>do Anti christian what they call Anti christian bias in

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<v Speaker 2>the culture as a. Whole so what happens If YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>decides to shadow ban me or you, know Oh google

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<v Speaker 2>now is going to delete my page because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>deemed hate speech or advertising is. Denied so, oh we'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you, broadcast but you can no longer make a

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<v Speaker 2>living doing what you. Do let me pull this up

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<v Speaker 2>here because it had something to do WITH. Theei PLEASE

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<v Speaker 2>i beg your forgiveness and patience for just. Moments oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there it is helpful context on diversity. Programs some of

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<v Speaker 2>WHAT dei is ramps and sidewalk curb, cuts subtitles and

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<v Speaker 2>captions for your television and, phone family, restrooms changing tables

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<v Speaker 2>in men's, restrooms breastfeeding and pumping stations and, accommodations floating paid,

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<v Speaker 2>holidays pay equity and, transparency parental leave time and pay

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<v Speaker 2>coming back to a job after birthing a, child not

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<v Speaker 2>having to just accept workplace, harassment work accommodations for a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of, disabilities flexible work, arrangements size inclusive chairs and

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<v Speaker 2>facilities non smoking, areas and the end of smoking. Indoors

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<v Speaker 2>being able to have medical professionals and your co workers

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<v Speaker 2>use your preferred, name not just queer people have those

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<v Speaker 2>wellness programs and, incentives more relaxed and inclusive dress code,

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<v Speaker 2>policies rooms to pray or meditate at work in other public,

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<v Speaker 2>places employee recognition, programs employee network resource, groups large print

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<v Speaker 2>materials for the, site impaired materials in different, languages multiple

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<v Speaker 2>religious options at hospitals or no religion. Option accessible bikes

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<v Speaker 2>and public transit. Accommodations business is not becoming fully cash

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<v Speaker 2>less because some people deal in cash only and don't

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<v Speaker 2>have bank, accounts company covered mental behavioral health, resources and

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<v Speaker 2>so much. More THAT'S dei diversity equity. Inclusion WHAT dei

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<v Speaker 2>is not hiring an underqualified person for a job just

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<v Speaker 2>because they're a person of, color hiring based on race

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<v Speaker 2>just to meet diversity. Goals this is illegal and it

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<v Speaker 2>is not a new fat or. BUZZWORD dei work has

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<v Speaker 2>been going on for, many many years under different. Names,

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<v Speaker 2>ANYWAY i thought that was really good and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>again for the super. Chat C s says how much

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<v Speaker 2>of an. Impact do you Think christianity has on keeping

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<v Speaker 2>people badly educated to the point where they voted for

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<v Speaker 2>the same scammer Con man. Twice that's a good. Question

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<v Speaker 2>but having been indoctrinated as a kid In christian, SCHOOL

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<v Speaker 2>i will tell you THAT i was in an ideology,

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<v Speaker 2>first not an education first, environment AND i was programmed

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<v Speaker 2>to retake this country for. Christ. NOW i don't THINK

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<v Speaker 2>i would have Bought, trump BUT i did believe we

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<v Speaker 2>were A christian. Nation the founders Were, christian and my

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<v Speaker 2>job was to go and incorporate myself into the culture

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<v Speaker 2>to help restore A christian. Nation and there might have

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<v Speaker 2>been some people who totally sold me a bill of

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<v Speaker 2>goods THAT i then. Bought AND i do think in

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<v Speaker 2>doctrination is a big piece of the mag of. Puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>and ALSO i think high control religions prime people for savior.

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<v Speaker 2>Figures christianity is an authoritarian. Faith you've got a male

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<v Speaker 2>authority above, all and then that authority sets in place

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<v Speaker 2>under him other, authorities often, men and we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>just bow, down you, know we kneel and obey because

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<v Speaker 2>that's What god. Wants and it's no mistake that many

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<v Speaker 2>authoritarians throughout history have invoked the name Of. God, hey

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<v Speaker 2>it's not my idea That i'm in charge sitting at

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<v Speaker 2>the high throne on the high mountain telling everybody what

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<v Speaker 2>to do and calling all their resources and dominating and.

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<v Speaker 2>Enslaving you, know it's not my. Fault it's simply What god.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants so, YEAH i think there's a lot of truth to,

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<v Speaker 2>that AND i think it's one of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>we need to defeat superstitions and mythological, thinking bad, idea,

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<v Speaker 2>is udo, science. Etc because we want people rooting more

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<v Speaker 2>in the real, world and once they do, that then

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<v Speaker 2>they're more. Prepared we are all more prepared to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to tackle real world. Problems oh, Wow i'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to make SURE i say your name. Right is it

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<v Speaker 2>Frozen theia Or? Frozenthea? OH i like that?

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<v Speaker 7>Better.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosenttheia, Lovely you've been one of my biggest inspirations for

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<v Speaker 2>the past thirteen. Years you've always been very just in,

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<v Speaker 2>kind and your commitment to common sense just been a

618
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 2>really refreshing tone we need more. OF i appreciate you,

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<v Speaker 2>Well You're you're very generous to. Me i'm just a

620
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>guy with a big, mouth and you, know the ability

621
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 2>to communicate is about ALL i. Got i'm not a.

622
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 2>PhD i'm not a. Scientist i'm not that. Guy i'm

623
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.639
<v Speaker 2>simply someone who came out of a very intense religious

624
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>background and had something to say about it and felt

625
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i had something to contribute to the. Conversation and you,

626
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>know there are so many people out there smarter than,

627
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 2>me and that's WHY i bring them on the show

628
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>and let them do so much of the. TALKING i

629
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>sit back AND i rubbed my chin AND i, said,

630
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<v Speaker 2>hmm that's most. Interesting Mess let me ask you another,

631
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>question and THEN i said Back kelly At avery code

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three, Seven, hi are you? There, Hi, yes this Is. Kelly, Hi, kelly.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Welcome what's on your mind? Today?

634
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 9>Hi, well at the beginning of the, program you were

635
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 9>talking about the strange custom Of catholics with putting the

636
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 9>ashings on their, foreheads and it just me thinking about

637
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 9>This instagram account and also a TikTok account for this

638
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 9>lady who Is Jewish orthodox and her name Is Miriam,

639
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 9>ezagui AND i looked it up a few minutes, ago

640
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 9>and she actually has two point three million followers on.

641
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:25.639
<v Speaker 9>TikTok and so she has an enormous, following and she

642
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 9>talks about her life as An Orthodox jewish. Woman AND

643
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 9>i started following her content several months, ago AND i

644
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 9>found it. Fascinating and she talks about so many very

645
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 9>unusual customs That i've never heard of. Before and one

646
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 9>of these customs involves the fact that she in her,

647
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 9>videos this Lady, miriam she has long brown. Hair and

648
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 9>what you discover when you're watching the videos is she

649
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 9>has several videos where she reveals but that long brown,

650
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 9>hair which looks like her real, hair is a. WIG

651
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 9>i learned from these videos That Orthodox jewish women after

652
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 9>they get married have to hide their hair so the

653
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.519
<v Speaker 9>rest of their lives from anyone that's not like close immediate.

654
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 9>Family it might just be, men but any and all

655
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 9>MALES i think that are not close immediate. Family so

656
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 9>at all times when she might be in the presence

657
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 9>of any of those, people she has to cover her.

658
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 9>Hair but the way she can cover it sometimes she

659
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.599
<v Speaker 9>uses a scarf or something to fully cover, it and

660
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 9>other times she uses a complete, wig like a very you,

661
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.559
<v Speaker 9>know very, expensive you, know very nice. Wig she has

662
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 9>multiple different wigs that she, wears but her hair has

663
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 9>to be completely fully.

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00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Covered it's okay for someone, That like IF i got

665
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>turned on by a, wig like if it's long, hair

666
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 2>brunette hair or. Whatever if it's not actually attached to her,

667
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 2>scalp but it's a, wig that's. Okay but if it

668
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:01.119
<v Speaker 2>was organic to her, body if it was actually part

669
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 2>of her, scout that's the sin or that's a. Problem

670
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 2>is that what's going?

671
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 9>On, yes that's exactly. RIGHT i don't you. Know it

672
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 9>might be disrespectful to her others to call it mental,

673
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 9>gymnastics but it's very fascinating to hear sort of the

674
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 9>explanation that she OSes to justify, it because she does

675
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.719
<v Speaker 9>call it modesty, cult like a modesty. THING i think

676
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 9>she would say, that but she talks about that in

677
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 9>a positive, way of, course and she explains that to,

678
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 9>her this is not at all about covering up her own.

679
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 9>Beauty she, claims this has nothing to do with. Beauty

680
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 9>she's allowed to look, beautiful which is why she's loved

681
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 9>to wear these very nice wigs that make her look very,

682
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 9>nice because it's actually about somehow preserving her hair for her,

683
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 9>husband but occurring to her, religion she's still allowed to look,

684
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 9>Beautiful so it's such a strange like.

685
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Contradiction tell me the last name. Again i'll look up

686
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the channel WHEN i get a chance. Tomorrow Miriam.

687
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<v Speaker 9>WHO i don't know how you pronounce, it but it

688
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 9>looks like it's pronounced ethically and it's. Easy a g. U.

689
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 9>I i actually really loved following her accounts very, much

690
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 9>SO i thought it was very, interesting AND i liked

691
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:18.039
<v Speaker 9>her personally until one DAY i was On instagram AND

692
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 9>i saw her doing an ad For Praguer. You AND

693
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 9>i don't mean to tell you why that's. Bad AND

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00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 9>i was really disappointed because she seemed like she seemed,

695
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 9>like in spite, of you, know maybe very strict traditionalist

696
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 9>types of, views she seemed like she has a lot

697
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 9>of sentiments that she'd expressed, about you, know the importance

698
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 9>of you, know maybe diversity and accepting other cultures and,

699
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 9>people and you, know she seems sort of liberal minded in.

700
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:42.239
<v Speaker 3>A lot of.

701
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 9>Ways SO i was just really horrified and disappointed that

702
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:46.760
<v Speaker 9>she was doing ads For Praguer.

703
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>You, WELL i don't think mental gymnastics is an overstatement at.

704
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 2>All it sounds like she could be on The. Olympics

705
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>BUT i am curious So i'll go check out the

706
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>channel WHEN i get a chance. Tomorrow but thanks for

707
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 2>bringing that to my. Attention, NO i. HADN'T i heard

708
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 2>the wig thing. Before real hair, bad but real hair

709
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>on a wig that came from someone else. ACCEPTABLE i

710
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>don't really understand the logic, there but thanks for telling.

711
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 3>Me.

712
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Kelly it's interesting, stuff, right she has.

713
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 9>Several videos about. It, Sure i'll pro and. All thanks

714
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 9>for having me.

715
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>On all, right we'll catch you, later all, right thank,

716
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>you good. Night Orthodox judaism's wacky. Anyway like on The,

717
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>sabbath you can't touch an elevator button if you're An Orthodox.

718
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Jew that is considered, kindling because you're not allowed to

719
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 2>do anything that starts a. Fire well with the electrical

720
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 2>connection with the circuit that's connected on an elevator, button

721
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that is considered, kindling and you're not allowed to do

722
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that On. Sabbath SO i shit you not on The.

723
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Sabbath there are buildings that have elevators that from a

724
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 2>certain hour OF i think It's friday Through saturday night

725
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 2>wins The. SABBATH i think It's friday night Through saturday.

726
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Night the elevators stop at every floor for twenty four

727
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>hours because you were not allowed to do. Work you're

728
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>not allowed to touch the elevator buttons, litvators you have

729
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>to stop at every floor fifty story. Building, ah sucks for.

730
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 2>You you don't get to press the. Button there were

731
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>ovens that have something called A sabbath. Mode look at

732
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the manual of your. Appliances i'll bet your, oven if

733
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 2>it was purchased in the last ten, years is what

734
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>they call Stark kosher, certified which means that the oven

735
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>will stay warm so that you don't have to touch

736
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a knob or turn on a burner because you are

737
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>not allowed to do so on The SABBATH i which is.

738
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Crazy there was a family In New. York they weren't

739
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 2>allowed to turn on light, bulbs or felt they weren't allowed.

740
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.000
<v Speaker 2>To had a family like seven. Kids so what they

741
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 2>did Is friday, night they lit a shit ton of

742
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>candles in this house and while they were, sleeping one

743
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.199
<v Speaker 2>of the candles got tipped over on an how burned

744
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole house, down killed everybody Because god didn't want

745
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 2>him to have a light. Bulbond. Yeah mental, GYMNASTICS i

746
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>think one of the one of the ones that blows

747
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.599
<v Speaker 2>my mind the. Most is the tradition Of. Kaparote this is,

748
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 2>bizarre and again this Is Orthodox. Judaism. Okay so the

749
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>idea is that humans have a sinful, Heart we have

750
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>sin that accumulates in our heart and we need to

751
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>be atoned. For so in The kappa road to, tradition

752
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you grab a, chicken live, chicken and you have a little.

753
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Booklet i'm not making it. Up you have a booklet

754
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and you say some sort of a chant or, prayer

755
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and this is supposed to transfer the iniquity of your

756
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>heart into the. Chicken, okay so, you're, oh we have

757
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>so sorry for my. Whatever i'm not going to look

758
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 2>it up, now but there's a specific recitation that you.

759
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Do sin goes into the. Chicken then there's somebody on

760
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>site with a knife or a razor. Blade they cut

761
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the head off the chicken and this is supposed to

762
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 2>be a blood atonement to cleanse. You THEN i think

763
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 2>most of the time they end up like throwing these

764
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the chicken bodies in the gutter that they just. Do

765
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it's horrible what they. Do but a lot of times

766
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 2>they donate the chicken to poor people to feed the. Poor,

767
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 2>well if you give poor people a chicken that's full of?

768
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Evil did they have to then get a fresh chicken

769
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and have a whole new kappaoat ceremony and then cut

770
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the head off the chicken and then they give that

771
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 2>chicken to poor, people and then they need another chicken

772
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>to a tone for that, chicken and on and on

773
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 2>AND i have so many questions medal gymnastics and how

774
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 2>who thinks that shit? Up who woke up one day and,

775
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.320
<v Speaker 2>said you know, WHAT i, Know i'm. Unworthy somebody get

776
00:49:49.400 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>me a. Chicken, Awesome brett three one, Seven thanks for?

777
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Waiting are you there's?

778
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 7>Zam can you use a?

779
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 2>ROOSTER i would guess it's. Interchangeable you, know maybe The

780
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>lord does not discriminate between nine chicken and nine nine

781
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>hen and nine.

782
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 8>Rooster with fourteen roosters and two.

783
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Chicken you live on a farm a, ranch well.

784
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 7>Sort of now it's just just a. House BUT i

785
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 7>got some.

786
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Chicken.

787
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 8>Anyway i'm calling about my son and like we haven't.

788
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 10>Raised him religious or. Anything he's, sixteen got his driver's

789
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 10>license and he started going to a youth. Group AND

790
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 10>i don't. KNOW i was Raised, Unitarian my wife was Raised,

791
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Speaker 10>presbyterian went to A catholic private. School but we never,

792
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.079
<v Speaker 10>like we haven't been members of a. Church we haven't

793
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 10>raised him in a church or. Anything but he just

794
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 10>started going to a youth group On sunday. Nights he

795
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 10>Knows i'm an. ATHEIST i don't know what to. DO

796
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 10>i don't know how to get vince him out of.

797
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.800
<v Speaker 10>It but he started going to a youth group at the.

798
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 10>School now he's going to a youth group On sunday.

799
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 10>Nights and it's like a lot of his friends are

800
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 10>all pretty, religious and he's got on his, phone you,

801
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 10>know on your screen on your. Phone it's got like

802
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 10>A bible vers on. There trust in The lord with

803
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 10>all your heart because he's been reading The bible on

804
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 10>his phone.

805
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Lately and that approach THIS i don't. Either my first

806
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>thought is at the age of, sixteen in some ways

807
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the bird has. FLOWN i, mean you're looking at essentially

808
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 2>a pre adult and somebody who is probably going to

809
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>push back or resist if they feel you are resisting.

810
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Them you, KNOW i have a feeling your son is

811
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 2>not going to receive, well you're, going what the hell

812
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>does he feel safe to have conversations with you or

813
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 2>does his guard UP.

814
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 8>I had a conversation This. Saturday we were seeing righting

815
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 8>up the chair, lift AND i was talking about how,

816
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 8>well if a person is spiritually hungry leave, anything and

817
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 8>trying to explain what that.

818
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>MEANS i myself would approach, it not with declarative, statements

819
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.280
<v Speaker 2>but at first with, questions what's your perspective on where

820
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>we as human beings came? From and how do we know?

821
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 2>That what are your thoughts about? This AND i would

822
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 2>do a little prep in, advance not loading the, questions

823
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>but just kind of having a plan of attack to, say,

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<v Speaker 2>well you, KNOW i myself have explored these AND i

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a different. Answer But i'm. CURIOUS i

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<v Speaker 2>think this is probably one of those scenarios where the

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<v Speaker 2>more they feel they're being approached is a, peer the

828
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>less defensive they will. Be the more you use questions

829
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>instead of declarative, statements the less set back on their

830
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<v Speaker 2>heels they might. Feel your son might, feel but you,

831
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 2>know at, sixteen this is a ride that he may

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<v Speaker 2>have to sort of finish on his. Own but it's

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00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>very important that you live a, loud proud life according

834
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<v Speaker 2>to your own values in full, view because if and

835
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<v Speaker 2>when he does boomerang back out of the, church going,

836
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 2>oh this is, bullshit because that often. Happens you, know

837
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody will spend a few years in the faith and

838
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden they'll, realize, oh wait a,

839
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 2>minute you, know the newness is worn, off AND i

840
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Know i'm being manipulated and this makes no logical, sense

841
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and then they'll kind of snap. Back you can be

842
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>ready for, that but approach your son as a friend with,

843
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.559
<v Speaker 2>questions and try to use language that keeps him off the.

844
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Defensive keep the conversation short and, pleasant and kind of

845
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.119
<v Speaker 2>see where it. GOES i think you're right, now IF

846
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 2>i can use a religious, TERM i think you're kind

847
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 2>of planting, seeds seeds of, doubt seeds of skeptical. Thinking, okay,

848
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>yeah thanks a.

849
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 8>LOT i think that sounds. Good just ask more questions

850
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 8>Than i'm telling him to, say.

851
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 2>And romain built in a. DAY i would not get

852
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 2>sucked into a long, ass really, intense, knockdown drag out

853
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of. THING i, would especially at the, beginning in

854
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.679
<v Speaker 2>order to make sure that he knows it's not an.

855
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>AMBUSH i think you keep it, light you keep him,

856
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>short and then you talk about how stuff and then

857
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>you return to it, later and then return to it

858
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.599
<v Speaker 2>again later and go deeper and deeper each. Time but

859
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>at first, ESPECIALLY i just skip off this stuff for

860
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>a few minutes and make sure he knows it's not an. Ambush, okay,

861
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.480
<v Speaker 2>okay thanks take, Care. Brett we'll see you. Later when

862
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you see the street epistemology, videos you know With Anthony, magnebasco.

863
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Etc you, know they don't go out and beat people

864
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>or they have a baseball bat and they meet them

865
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>on the. Street they just start, Casually, hey can we

866
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<v Speaker 2>talk about a few things that's, Interesting and when they

867
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<v Speaker 2>hear something that might be one of the stupidest things

868
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 2>ever uttered by human, beings they don't look them in

869
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the eye and say that's one of the stupidest things

870
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 2>that's ever been uttered by human. Beings they, say, well

871
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>how did you get? There how do you know? That

872
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 2>where'd that come? From? Well that's interesting to. Me what

873
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>would you say to? This there is utility in trying

874
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 2>to keep people from shutting. Down stand by short. BREAK

875
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.360
<v Speaker 2>i will be right back as we hear from more

876
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 2>of our listeners after. This this is the audio of

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00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Our monday night live stream six Pm. Central it is

878
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>a video stream supposedly usually exclusive to. YouTube bookmark the next.

879
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Show you can just go to YouTube dot com slash

880
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.679
<v Speaker 2>The Thinking atheist and we'll see You monday, night six O'clock,

881
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Central anna at four zero. Four thanks for. Waiting are you?

882
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 5>There, yes, Yes i'm.

883
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Here we can hear each. Other what's on your?

884
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Mind what do you want to talk?

885
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 5>ABOUT i am born And raisina In Eastern, europe In,

886
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 5>romania and WHAT i want to talk today is what

887
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 5>a dictatorship tels, like BECAUSE i have the experiences THAT

888
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 5>i experienced that myself WHEN i was a. Child our

889
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 5>former dictator we really like to be praised and we

890
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 5>had to sing songs about. Him but With, trump it

891
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 5>really feels worse than it was back. THEN i felt

892
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 5>like people are burning reality here more than they did

893
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.880
<v Speaker 5>back In. Romania AND i feel like people don't realize

894
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.559
<v Speaker 5>that we're falling into that all of dictatorship and they

895
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 5>are waiting for someone want to come and help them

896
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:33.599
<v Speaker 5>and save, them and there won't be anybody saiding because

897
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.320
<v Speaker 5>we have to save ourselves because our in our. LIVES

898
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.239
<v Speaker 5>i used to remember when my stud is to, say,

899
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.000
<v Speaker 5>well The americas are gonna come And they're gonna save,

900
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 5>us and guess, what they. Didn't and it is so

901
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 5>heartbreaking to me BECAUSE i have lost all of my,

902
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 5>friends every single one To. Munga they want somebody to

903
00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 5>save them from. Poverty they want somebody to give them

904
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 5>their here's a. Problem this is Mister. Trump he is a.

905
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.239
<v Speaker 5>Billionaire he's an accomplished. Billionaire he's gonna save. Me you,

906
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 5>know why would he be here other than to save.

907
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.639
<v Speaker 5>Me he's just a good. Person AND i also think

908
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 5>that there are also people here are, intoxicated are high

909
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 5>on the on The american. Dream if you only work hard,

910
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 5>enough you also can be a. Millionaire SO i think

911
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 5>in their mind there are failed. Millionaires AND i have

912
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 5>actually spoken to my friend AND i, said don't you

913
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 5>think that you, know it's not fear that the billionaires

914
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.440
<v Speaker 5>get to have all the money and they pay you

915
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 5>low wages and they get rid of you when they

916
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 5>don't need you. Anymore and they, said, well let's not

917
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 5>blame the. Rich that's what people told. Me and back

918
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 5>home In, romania we used to have, this you, know class.

919
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:57.440
<v Speaker 5>Consciousness we all knew that we are in this dictatorship.

920
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:03.199
<v Speaker 5>Together so it does all THE i mean when the revolution,

921
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:08.920
<v Speaker 5>HAPPENED i was fourteen and my brother was, fifteen and

922
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 5>it WAS i remember it Was, december and we were all,

923
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.719
<v Speaker 5>out my, mom my, dad my, brother, myself all the

924
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.480
<v Speaker 5>kids in my neighborhood were all out. Demonstrating and my

925
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 5>father never even told me to stay home be. Safe

926
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 5>you know why because they knew that it was the

927
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 5>do or. Die if we don't get out of the

928
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:33.599
<v Speaker 5>stage shot, now we are never going to catch another.

929
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:38.920
<v Speaker 5>Break AND i see this, happening AND i raised your

930
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 5>alarm AND i told, people, hey this is nothing to joke. About.

931
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.519
<v Speaker 5>This don't just sit and looking on and wait for.

932
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.280
<v Speaker 5>Somebody you have to get. Out and you know this

933
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.000
<v Speaker 5>is still, fresh you can still move. This but people

934
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 5>are still apathetic and theyre had like this bystander where

935
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 5>they just wait for somebody is to do. Something they

936
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.360
<v Speaker 5>don't even want to make phone calls to their elective.

937
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 5>Representatives AND i just know this is going to slid

938
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 5>into fascism so. Fast And i'm just so broken hearted

939
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 5>because people are going to lose a lot and they

940
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:15.760
<v Speaker 5>don't know.

941
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 2>IT i appreciate a perspective from the inside. Out it's

942
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:23.440
<v Speaker 2>weird seeing people worship their own chains and this lie

943
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>that the billionaires actually care what happens to the. Commoners,

944
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>RIGHT a guy with four hundred thousand million dollars cares

945
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 2>about those people who are just scraping by paycheck to,

946
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>paycheck trying to. Survive it's a weird, disconnect isn't, It?

947
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Anna it is mind.

948
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 5>BOGGLING i have lost even people who Are. Democrats they

949
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 5>tell me that you're just you don't. Understand they don't

950
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:48.199
<v Speaker 5>understand how our system.

951
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.280
<v Speaker 2>WORKS i Think Carl sagan talked about it, right how

952
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.639
<v Speaker 2>we're going to live in an information society where nobody

953
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.559
<v Speaker 2>knows how anything, works and we're going to end up being.

954
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Slaves AND i look all around AND i, think, boy

955
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that man is a. Profit And i'm hugging you from

956
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 2>all the way over here In. Oklahoma my heart just

957
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 2>breaks WHEN i think About. Romania But i'll tell, you you,

958
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.719
<v Speaker 2>know let's not give. Up BUT i think perspective so

959
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 2>helps us determine the path, forward and your perspective is important.

960
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Here thanks for sharing, it and thanks for calling, well.

961
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.280
<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for having me AND i really

962
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.079
<v Speaker 5>appreciate everything that you. Said and the last, thing even

963
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 5>need to put one sign in your window THAT i

964
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.599
<v Speaker 5>love the usbas OR i LOVE pa or. Something so

965
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 5>when people who have been fired from their jobs walk

966
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 5>by a home and they see, you know, that, Son they,

967
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 5>SAID i love you AND i see. You it's important

968
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 5>BECAUSE i know. Everybody there's a lot of federal workers

969
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 5>who are about to lose their jobs where they're losing their.

970
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.400
<v Speaker 5>Job SO i think it's so important to be there

971
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 5>for one another and thank you for having.

972
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Me you're, precious and thanks for calling so. Much we'll

973
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 2>see you. Later everybody put a heart in the chat For.

974
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:08.079
<v Speaker 2>ANNA i Heart anna such an important human perspective on

975
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 2>the inhumanity that's going on around. Us so watch the Chant.

976
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 2>ANNA a bunch of heart's coming your. Way let's. See

977
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:18.840
<v Speaker 2>i'm running out of time. Here i'm on the tennis

978
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.079
<v Speaker 2>court in forty. Minutes we're playing an indoor match, tonight

979
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 2>BUT i do Have john on the. Line we'll see

980
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if we can get at least one more. In john

981
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 2>at eight oh, Six are you.

982
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 3>There, Yes i'm here as.

983
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Well i'm, well my. Friend let's talk what's on your.

984
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.519
<v Speaker 3>Mind first, OFF i just want to thank you for

985
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 3>everything you've. Done i've been listening to your channel on

986
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.480
<v Speaker 3>and off for well over a. DECADE i remember exactly

987
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 3>WHEN i, started thank, you thanks for. Everything it's an.

988
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.199
<v Speaker 3>Honor real, QUICK i might be the bad guy for this,

989
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.800
<v Speaker 3>episode BUT i wanted to go over basically the rise

990
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 3>of like Secular trump. SUPPORTERS i, mean obviously you've already

991
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 3>talked About Jill. Rogan Elon musk is a secular. Guy Dana,

992
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.519
<v Speaker 3>white the leader of THE, Ufc he's a secular, guy

993
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.199
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of these people do not have any

994
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 3>religious connection and in effect bragged about their lack of,

995
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 3>religion you, know in previous. Years and, SORRY i have

996
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:06.599
<v Speaker 3>like a bunch of points HERE i wanted to, make

997
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 3>but one of the biggest ones was there's a book

998
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 3>that just came out By Jonathan ROUCH i think his name.

999
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Is he's A jewish. Atheist but the point of this,

1000
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 3>BOOK i think it's Called Christianity's Broken bargain With, democracy

1001
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 3>and it talks about basically lowering rates Of christianity and

1002
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.760
<v Speaker 3>how he believes that's a bad thing because he claims

1003
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.920
<v Speaker 3>that despite certain areas becoming more, secular they're still susceptible

1004
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 3>to a lot of authoritarian things Like. Trump, obviously he

1005
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 3>specifically cites certain states in The Rust, Belt, nevada they're

1006
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 3>pretty lesser religious states compared to the you, know The Bible.

1007
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Belt these are swing states that normally have gone blue fairly,

1008
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.440
<v Speaker 3>often but now they've swung red despite being the least

1009
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 3>religious they've been in you, know. Decades what is your

1010
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:51.000
<v Speaker 3>opinion on.

1011
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:55.800
<v Speaker 2>That, WELL i think if someone is not, religious it

1012
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.559
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean to me that they have secular. VALUES

1013
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.039
<v Speaker 2>i don't know The Gelon musk believes in any god,

1014
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 2>anywhere but he is not a man of secular. Values

1015
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.719
<v Speaker 2>he does not honor state church. SEPARATION i don't think

1016
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.239
<v Speaker 2>he gives a shit about The. CONSTITUTION i don't think

1017
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.559
<v Speaker 2>he has one iota of respect for human, rights WHICH

1018
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 2>i would call secular. Values but we have seen some

1019
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 2>people who are not religious who have lined up Behind Donald.

1020
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Trump you, know not believing in a god is not

1021
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 2>a guarantee that you're rational or a, skeptic or a

1022
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.800
<v Speaker 2>humanist or even a good. Person BUT i, KNOW i

1023
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:36.280
<v Speaker 2>have noticed that we do see more of a religious

1024
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:40.039
<v Speaker 2>fervor Around Donald, trump and we saw more of a

1025
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 2>wider variety Around kamala during the. Election BUT i, mean

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01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 2>are you asking me If i'm seeing a surge of

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01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:49.880
<v Speaker 2>people who are not religious who have Become.

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<v Speaker 3>TRUMPERS i can only speak from my own experience with

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01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.599
<v Speaker 3>that Because i'm from to be, Fair i'm From, texas

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01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.000
<v Speaker 3>so it's kind of a painted pool of. People BUT

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01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:00.320
<v Speaker 3>i went to a wedding fairly, recently right after the,

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01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.679
<v Speaker 3>election and of the nine best men who are the

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01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 3>GROOMSMEN i guess for this, wedding virtually all of them

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01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 3>are not. Religious they were all kind of like your

1035
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.199
<v Speaker 3>blue collar, cops police, officers military, guys so they kind

1036
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.480
<v Speaker 3>of skew conservative, anyway but none of them are. Religious

1037
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.199
<v Speaker 3>some of them go to, church and virtually all of

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01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.199
<v Speaker 3>them voted For. Trump so that's kind of my Point

1039
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:22.800
<v Speaker 3>i'm trying to make here IS i feel like they

1040
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 3>have all the markings to you, know in, theory we always,

1041
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 3>said you, know With america becomes less, religious we would

1042
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.960
<v Speaker 3>become more enlightened and so. Forth but my go to

1043
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.480
<v Speaker 3>evidence is that's not necessarily the case because a lot

1044
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 3>of guys are not religious and they still Like.

1045
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Trump, Sure i've seen that THERE'S. US i, mean they're

1046
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:44.280
<v Speaker 2>relatively small but loud atheist group that the Big trumpers

1047
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:47.159
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of noise and. WHATNOT i don't. Know

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01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.719
<v Speaker 2>i'm not a. SOCIOLOGIST i find that your anecdote is.

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01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Interesting it's a lot of how people formulate their values is.

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01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Cultural SO i think it's very possible that you can

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01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:03.280
<v Speaker 2>be in a culture that isn't overtly, religious nobody really

1052
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 2>cares that much about, it but it is more of a,

1053
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:09.440
<v Speaker 2>conservative blue collar probably A i don't. KNOW i think

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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 2>we can speak to culture outside of religion and know

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01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:16.599
<v Speaker 2>that there is A trump. CULTURE i tend to think

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01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:21.199
<v Speaker 2>that most OF maga has a religious component to, it

1057
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:24.280
<v Speaker 2>or they have a religious. Background there seems to. Be

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01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the. Puzzle now what's really interesting to

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01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 2>me is just over a month into The trump, presidency

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01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>we are finally starting to see some of those, people

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01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:37.199
<v Speaker 2>even the highly religious. Ones they're pissed because now they're

1062
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 2>starting to lose their. Jobs and the farmers that are,

1063
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 2>like what the hell happened to my? Subsidy and the,

1064
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.239
<v Speaker 2>crops the foods rotting on the, warehouse doc and everybody's going.

1065
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 2>ON i didn't realize this shit would happen to, me

1066
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.840
<v Speaker 2>right as they say they fucked, around and now they're finding.

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01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Out and even the religious. ONES i saw a sermon

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01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 2>by a pastor and he made his whole Freaking sunday

1069
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.800
<v Speaker 2>sermon about the insanity that was going all. Around and

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01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.119
<v Speaker 2>he's As christian as they. Come the guy was just

1071
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 2>a pulpit Pounding bible literalist. Believer SO i don't, Know

1072
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 2>it's it's messy out, there but it's SOMETHING i can

1073
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:12.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly keep my eyes open for and to see IF

1074
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:16.119
<v Speaker 2>i see more secular people who Are trumpers THAN i had.

1075
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Anticipated but my experience has not been.

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01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.559
<v Speaker 3>That, Okay, YEAH i just wanted to get my perspective

1077
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:23.800
<v Speaker 3>because the Assumption i've always thought, was you, know it

1078
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 3>was more enlightened people, get the less religious people, are

1079
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 3>that would cause more states to swing. Blue but it

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01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 3>seems like at least in this, election despite being less religious, overall,

1081
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 3>supposedly it seems, WELL i, mean it's.

1082
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Messy look how many people stayed, home, RIGHT i, mean

1083
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:44.480
<v Speaker 2>we're not taking those people into. Account and if you

1084
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 2>look At kamala and Then Third, party more people voted

1085
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Against Donald trump than voted for. Him SO i don't

1086
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.800
<v Speaker 2>see a mandate in that. Vein but, AGAIN i would

1087
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.519
<v Speaker 2>like To i'd like to actually see An Andrew whitehead

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01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 2>or another sociology speak to, that because you do bring

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01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.920
<v Speaker 2>up an interesting. Possibility is there a shade of maggot

1090
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that is overtly Non? Christian and what does that look?

1091
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Like is it? Geographical is there some other metric in?

1092
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 2>PLAY i don't know something to think, About, John thanks

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01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 2>for bringing it.

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01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Up, Man, yeah, THANKS i appreciate.

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01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.559
<v Speaker 2>It, no thanks for. Calling we'll catch you. LATER i

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01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:22.880
<v Speaker 2>must beg your, forgiveness my beautiful, friends BECAUSE i am

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01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 2>jetting out the door for me And. Linus, Gracie, Katz

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01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:31.239
<v Speaker 2>natalie to you and yours much, love have a good,

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01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:31.840
<v Speaker 2>night to see.

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