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<v Speaker 1>Imagine the place where you can escape for a day,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Ologized, it's your old dad over here, Ali Ward,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not recording in my closet today, can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sixteen floors up in a hotel in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's midnight on a Friday night, and I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>here for work shooting this new show. If you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the very end of each episode, I usually tell

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<v Speaker 2>secret to the people who stick it out past the credits,

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<v Speaker 2>so you may have heard it last week. And if not,

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<v Speaker 2>more on that when they let me tell you legally

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But I'm excited about this episode wiggling its

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<v Speaker 2>way into your consciousness is a good one. This ologist

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<v Speaker 2>isugh like. Imagine when an Italian chef kisses his fingertips.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so good. Also, if you hear any weird sirens

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<v Speaker 2>or the people in the hotel room next to me

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<v Speaker 2>coughing or doing other things. Sorry. Okay, So fish they're

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<v Speaker 2>out there, they're underwater, they're deep in the sea or

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<v Speaker 2>skimming the surface of lakes with fins, and they got

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<v Speaker 2>fleshy lobe fins and sharp noses and sometimes blobby faces

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<v Speaker 2>and big teeth and sucker mouths, and we really like them.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people love them, and I like fish, but I

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<v Speaker 2>love the people who love fish. I love them. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a creep for fish people, the way that their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>light up when you talk about swim bladders and larval

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<v Speaker 2>stages and biodiversity. So I was giddy as hell to

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<v Speaker 2>talk face to face about fish. But while we're talking creeps,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to our intro segment, Creeping your Reviews, in

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<v Speaker 2>which I thank you all for leaving reviews on iTunes.

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<v Speaker 2>It really helps get ologies up in the charts. Since

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<v Speaker 2>launching this kind of dream project in September, this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty much hovered in the top thirty or twenty

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<v Speaker 2>science podcast on iTunes, which is a very big deal

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<v Speaker 2>for me and my heart. Thank you for putting it

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<v Speaker 2>there with your ratings and reviews, and by subscribing and

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<v Speaker 2>telling a friend it really matters. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>read the reviews that really tickled me. I am going

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<v Speaker 2>to say Rare Cactus said, infotainment, entercation, whatever your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>portmanteau is for the intersection of learning and laughing. Ali

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<v Speaker 2>Ward lives in that space, and I thought her use

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<v Speaker 2>of portmanteau's really moved me. Also, portmanteau is a portmanteau whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about it sometime. I also want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>shen Yan who said this is the holy grail of podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>like no pressure, so much wisdom and knowledge to be

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<v Speaker 2>gained with every episode. I've listened to over four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>different podcasts in a frantic, desperate search to find meaning

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<v Speaker 2>and clarity in my daily life. This podcast delivered those

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<v Speaker 2>goods and spades, and now I finally feel better about

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<v Speaker 2>my nightmarish existence and have the inner fortitude to do

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<v Speaker 2>normal things like take out the trash. Thanks Ali, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for that review because it's relatable. Sometimes you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to take out the trash during this nightmarish

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<v Speaker 2>existence of life on planet Earth right now, and you

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and I relate and high fives. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>because you are one, so says all Ward. Okay on

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. First, the etymology of ichthyology pretty straightforward. Ichthys

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<v Speaker 2>means fish in Greek. It also sounds like a cat sneezing,

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<v Speaker 2>like ichthys. Do it? Do it right?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Eke these right?

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever? Okay? So this ologist let me into the bowels

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<v Speaker 2>of a natural history museum, to the very basement where

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<v Speaker 2>she walked me through Florida ceiling gray metal shelves filled

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<v Speaker 2>with jars of fish suspended in these amber, chunky liquids,

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<v Speaker 2>past these articulated fish skeletons. Apparently the collection the museum

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<v Speaker 2>is over five million specimens of just fish, which weigh

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pounds, so they got to put them

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<v Speaker 2>on the bottom floor because they're so heavy. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing with museums. What you see on display is the

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<v Speaker 2>tiniest fraction of what they really have. So much is

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<v Speaker 2>kept in the back in libraries and warehouses is like

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<v Speaker 2>a catalog for research. So we pulled up some chairs

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<v Speaker 2>in this little library and this ologist, Honestly, she has

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<v Speaker 2>the regal presence of Robin Wright, but she has the

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<v Speaker 2>timing of a comedian, and she has the obsessive fish

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of a savant. And I just could not get

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<v Speaker 2>over her. I couldn't get over her. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>gear may. So you'll learn about the touching relationship between

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<v Speaker 2>a fish and a shrimp that I want to write

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<v Speaker 2>a quiet indie movie about why you should never name

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<v Speaker 2>a species after yourself, What seafood you should not eat?

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<v Speaker 2>The worst fish husbands peeing in the ocean embarrassing mating strategies,

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<v Speaker 2>a fish where they got five million goddamn jars, and

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<v Speaker 2>how you can save the planet. You and me. So

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<v Speaker 2>we cover a lot of ground, and by ground I

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<v Speaker 2>mean ocean. So let's dive in with ichthyologist doctor Chris Beacker.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are an ichthyologist.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I study fish. How often do you? People spelled that wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty much every time. And it's very awkward to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>there's two hs in that, because that kind of doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>make sense of people two ages? What it's what? What?

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's constantly misspelled. It's misspelled on my badge,

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<v Speaker 4>is it really? Yeah? It was on my old badge.

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<v Speaker 4>The one I have now is fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, how long did it take you to notice?

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<v Speaker 4>I know, oh, I always know. I noticed it right away.

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<v Speaker 4>I know this is right away. But it didn't bother me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so common.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been an ichth theologist? Since birth?

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<v Speaker 4>Since? Yeah? Since ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Chris has worked at the Natural History Museum of Alley

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<v Speaker 2>County for almost twenty years, and she's been studying a

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<v Speaker 2>specific group of little fishies for almost twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a long term relationship with fish. How did

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<v Speaker 2>you fall in with this gang of fish?

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<v Speaker 4>The fish that I work on are called Gobi's and

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<v Speaker 4>they are a group of reefishes and stream fishes. They're

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<v Speaker 4>found all around the world. I fell into them completely

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<v Speaker 4>by accident. I was fascinated with larval fish. I was

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<v Speaker 4>fascinated with a tiny little larvae that you know are

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<v Speaker 4>so complicated and yet and yet tiny. I was living

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<v Speaker 4>in Hawaii, I was working on a master's degree. I

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<v Speaker 4>was studying a larval fish called Chinlaria.

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<v Speaker 2>Shinlaria definitely sounds like a disease you'd pick up at

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<v Speaker 2>a college party, but it's actually one of the smallest

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<v Speaker 2>vertebrates in the world. So how eaty bitty is this fish? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it only weighs about a tenth of a gram when

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<v Speaker 2>it's fully grown. So it's everywhere in the Pacific and

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<v Speaker 2>in the Indian oceans. And the common name for it

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<v Speaker 2>is stout infant fish, which I feel like is a

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<v Speaker 2>really good insult if you're feeling fancy, So okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're so tiny, how do you even see them?

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just like a clear little shimmer in the water.

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<v Speaker 4>When I went out to catch them, I asked a

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<v Speaker 4>guy who knew about these fish what they look like,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said, go down in the water and look

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<v Speaker 4>for the shimmer like steam rising off a boiler pan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you find these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep. You go out there, you pull a net through

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<v Speaker 4>that shammer and you come up with shin laria. Or

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<v Speaker 4>you can go out at night and just pull a

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<v Speaker 4>plankton net. So I did a lot of night plankton.

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<v Speaker 2>Work INAII in Hawaii. Did that not suck?

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<v Speaker 4>It was the best, except for the time that I

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<v Speaker 4>almost hit a whale.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened.

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<v Speaker 4>It was nighttime, but there was just like a whale

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<v Speaker 4>and her calf kind of parked in this channel, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was trying to go out, and you know, when

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<v Speaker 4>it's dark, you don't really see the black shape of

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<v Speaker 4>a whale in the water. It's difficult. I did not

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<v Speaker 4>hit the whale. Let me be clear. I did not

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<v Speaker 4>hit the whale or the whale calf. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a federal crime to touch a whale.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it illegal to touch a whale? Appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be an affirmative. So it's illegal to feed or attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to feed any species of marine mammal. Now in some

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<v Speaker 2>states it's illegal to even approach whales within a few

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<v Speaker 2>hundred meters, so essentially operate as though all whales have

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<v Speaker 2>restraining orders against you. So it's not illegal, however, to

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<v Speaker 2>look at pictures of them and dream about them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they're thinking of you too. But whales

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<v Speaker 2>are fish, So back to fish. Were you always into fish? Well?

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<v Speaker 4>I was, And as I said, I was working on

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<v Speaker 4>this fish called Shinlaria. And it turned out at the

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<v Speaker 4>time it was not known. It was so weird that

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't known what kind of fish. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>real yeah, no one knew that. There were some theories,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was like, what is this weird thing? And

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, oh, you know, everything's fine as long as

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<v Speaker 4>it's not a gobe. Because gobi's were so complicated. There's

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<v Speaker 4>so many, there's thousands of species, it's a huge group.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all tiny. And when I finished my master's degree

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<v Speaker 4>that same year, so it was determined that it was

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<v Speaker 4>a gobe. I went away to grad school for a

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<v Speaker 4>PC I ended up working on gobe's the whole time,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm still doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were like, please don't be a gobe.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it was a goobe and then it was

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<v Speaker 4>like Psyche, the universe is like psych You're gonna work

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<v Speaker 4>on the hardest group of fishes there is. Suck it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the world needed you, fish needed you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of those things that turned that was absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>terrifying and turned out to be the best possible answer

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<v Speaker 4>because Gobi's are so fascinating and variable. They do anything

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<v Speaker 4>like any evolutionary thing you want to study, a gobi

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<v Speaker 4>is doing it pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have fish growing up as pets?

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<v Speaker 4>I did. That's how That's how I got into I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's what started this madness because I remember when

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<v Speaker 4>I was just a little kid, maybe five years old,

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<v Speaker 4>like staring into a fish tank. We had some little

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<v Speaker 4>little you know, ras boras or sort of little darter

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<v Speaker 4>fish in the tank and just staring at it and

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<v Speaker 4>like being sort of frightened because I couldn't understand how

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<v Speaker 4>this little tiny thing could be alive and like breathing water.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember just just tripping balls on the idea that

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<v Speaker 4>there were animals that were breathing water, And from that

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<v Speaker 4>And then when I decided to go to get a

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<v Speaker 4>But I was recently. I recently had found my high

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, there was a signature. There were like three different

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<v Speaker 4>learning about fish. One and said, oh, you know, enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>And here you are in Los Angeles, right ologists.

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<v Speaker 2>And the closest competition I found was these two guys

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<v Speaker 2>of Tracy Morgan appreciated biodiversity. I love exotic animals, and

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<v Speaker 1>Us here on a planet.

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<v Speaker 4>It keeps me from watching TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to watch the animals sometimes. Let's back up

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<v Speaker 2>and can you tell me what a fish is?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? A fish is a vertebrate, which means it has

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<v Speaker 4>a bony skeleton with a backbone. It's a vertebrate that

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<v Speaker 4>lives in the water. That's about well, that's about it,

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<v Speaker 4>although it obviously doesn't include some water living vertebrates like whales.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishes breathe water.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have lungs. They're part of a clade called

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<v Speaker 4>the bony fishes are part of a clade called ACTIONOPTERIDGII.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what was that word acting after agi, which means

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<v Speaker 2>ray finn fishes. It kind of sounds like the first

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<v Speaker 2>Janngle Jimberheimer Schmidt. Right, Okay, back to it.

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<v Speaker 4>Which describes some characters of like the way the fins

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<v Speaker 4>are arranged some kind of details of the bones, but

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<v Speaker 4>basically they're a vertebrate animal in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a whale.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not a whaler, a dolph and right, or a

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, or your dog at the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly as soon as you have a backbone or in

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<v Speaker 2>the water, you become a fish. Well, no, I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to think so. So this is a very I

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<v Speaker 2>mean going back to like when you were a kid

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<v Speaker 2>and you were marveling at the tank. This is such

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<v Speaker 2>a basic question. But how to fish breathe?

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<v Speaker 4>That's not a basic question. That was a complicated Okay. Gases,

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<v Speaker 4>so they need oxygen. They're like us. They need oxygen

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<v Speaker 4>to run their cells. They absorb oxygen from the water,

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<v Speaker 4>but that's more difficult than absorbing oxygen from the air.

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<v Speaker 4>Although remember our lungs are wet like air, we also

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<v Speaker 4>absorb oxygen from water. It's just a thin scrim of

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<v Speaker 4>water inside a lung.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, heads up, you got moist as hell lungs now,

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<v Speaker 4>But fishes have a very frilly complicated blood enriched gill

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<v Speaker 4>sort of filament looks like feathers, like a filament. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you've seen them on an axilotte right just inside the head.

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<v Speaker 4>And the purpose of that is to exchange have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of surface area, exchange with water and oxygen diffuses

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<v Speaker 4>from the water into the blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then what is the deal with a fish bladder?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so you mean a swim last, swim swim blast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>fishes have swim bladders, well not all, but most of them,

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<v Speaker 4>and those are for regulating buoyants. He because remember, fishes

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<v Speaker 4>live in sort of three D. They move side to side,

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<v Speaker 4>they move forward and back, but they also move up

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<v Speaker 4>and down. Oh yeah, you know, compared to the fishes,

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<v Speaker 4>we're sort of just like in flat land, Like we

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<v Speaker 4>move like just in a few directions. But fish are

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<v Speaker 4>actually basically always.

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<v Speaker 2>Flying underwater, never wearing pants, flying without ever falling. I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. Like fish have the best lives. They

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<v Speaker 2>have the best lives. They also have swim bladders which

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<v Speaker 2>fill with gas and floats them up and down kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a functional whoope cushion.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of the time. And it's there are also some

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<v Speaker 4>types of fishes that can actually gulp air and put

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<v Speaker 4>it into their swim bladers. But obviously that's not going

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<v Speaker 4>to work for a fish that lives, you know, one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred feeple of surface. So there's two different kinds.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite strata of fish, like in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of pelagic or and I will will have to

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<v Speaker 2>remember and look up again, like what the zones are,

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<v Speaker 2>but like in terms of ocean zones. Yeah, okay, quick

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<v Speaker 2>quick rundown of ocean zones, just in case you're ever

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<v Speaker 2>your coworkers or your new significant other siblings. Okay, The

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<v Speaker 2>ocean zones are roughly epipolagic at the top, these parts

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<v Speaker 2>get sunlight, so plants grow there. The majority of ocean

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<v Speaker 2>life lives in this zone. Goes down about two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>meters or around six hundred feet for US non metric Americans. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Below that are the mesopolagic, bath pelagic, abyssle, polgic, and

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<v Speaker 2>finally the very very bottom, which are the hatel zones.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the deep dark. So there you go. If

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<v Speaker 2>anyone ever wins Jeopardy or a bet, you owe me

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<v Speaker 2>exactly one American dollar payable in coins if need be

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<v Speaker 2>for this information, you are welcome. Okay, So what is

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<v Speaker 2>her favorite?

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<v Speaker 4>I am It's I'm super basic. I like the near

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<v Speaker 4>shore stuff. I like the shallow water stuff. I like

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<v Speaker 4>the coral reef stuff. I like the inshore up into

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<v Speaker 4>the streams. I'm getting into river fishes more. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>interesting because most of life on the planet is right

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<v Speaker 4>around the earth, the air water interface, right like near coast,

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<v Speaker 4>close to the ocean, and then you know, right right

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<v Speaker 4>around there is most of the air, terrestrial life and

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<v Speaker 4>bird life. I mean, you start to get too high

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<v Speaker 4>and there's nothing same thing. When you start to get

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<v Speaker 4>too deep, there's not as much. It's all kind of

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<v Speaker 4>right around that bands where those things are.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never really thought about that, just thought, I guess cool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>You know why I was thinking that because I was

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<v Speaker 4>I was driving down pH and I was looking at

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<v Speaker 4>one thing I never tire of. Is this the glint

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<v Speaker 4>of the sunlight off the water, and it looks like

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<v Speaker 4>a skin. And I was thinking about the skin of

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<v Speaker 4>the water and how it looks like a solid thing

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<v Speaker 4>and how everything lives. You know, the closer to that,

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<v Speaker 4>the better MM hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you go to the ocean a lot living in

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<v Speaker 2>LA because I know we're near downtown and I get

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<v Speaker 2>to the ocean like once a year. Like, how are

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<v Speaker 2>do you surf every morning? Are you most in there? No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, I don't usually if I'm going into the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you what kind of what is a day

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<v Speaker 2>like for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, right now, I'm just in the office. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of like some of its lab work, some

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<v Speaker 4>of its spreadsheets, some of its emails. Sometimes I have

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<v Speaker 4>to photograph things. I've been writing a lot lately, which

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<v Speaker 4>is really nice. I have if I'm traveling a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of times I will travel to visit museum collections or

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<v Speaker 4>visit colleagues, and in that case, I will go into

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<v Speaker 4>someone else's collection and look at the jars of fish

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<v Speaker 4>and take fish out and examine them and look at

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<v Speaker 4>them in certain ways. And then if I'm in the field,

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<v Speaker 4>it's work, work, work. It's like dive, dive, dive, fish,

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<v Speaker 4>fish fish.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been diving. But what does it feel like

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<v Speaker 2>down there? Does it feel like freedom, does it feel

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<v Speaker 2>like cozy.

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<v Speaker 4>Feels like you're flying? Yeah, it's cold, I'll say that

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<v Speaker 4>it's cold and you have to, you know, wear a wetsuit,

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<v Speaker 4>wear a drysuit, be careful. But it is the thing

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<v Speaker 4>that people often don't realize is that when you're in

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<v Speaker 4>the water completely submerged for a long time, the water

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<v Speaker 4>really sucks the heat out of your body. So you

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<v Speaker 4>gotta you gotta be thermally insulated. That's why you often

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<v Speaker 4>see divers wearing big suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it true that divers and surfers do pee in them?

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<v Speaker 4>I get asked this skill lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, and those okay.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why I would say, I say this is like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like peeing in the shower. It's like, you can't

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<v Speaker 4>honestly say that it never happens. I couldn't, like I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't like look you in the eye and swear to

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<v Speaker 4>you that I've never done it. But I try to

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<v Speaker 4>keep it to a minimum. I would do it. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean the fisher doing it, the fisherre doing it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but the fish. It doesn't get trapped on the fish's body.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you're gonna when you're in the field and

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<v Speaker 4>you're like you're in hell and gone New Guinea and

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be there for a month and you've got

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<v Speaker 4>like one or two wet suits and you're wearing them

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<v Speaker 4>every day. Yeah, yeah, try not to, you try not to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good to know. I appreciate the candor that isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that is a question that would have plagued me. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have been driving home being like I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>would ask that makes it feel better, okay. Saltwater fish

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<v Speaker 2>freshwater fish. I think we don't think about it until

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<v Speaker 2>it comes time to have Perhaps one is a pet

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, oh, if you have a saltwater aquarium,

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<v Speaker 2>you are a millionaire.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a whole different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you have a bowl with a fish in

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<v Speaker 2>it that costs a dollar. Like, what is the what

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<v Speaker 2>is the difference in how they live and how they

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<v Speaker 2>breathe and exist, the difference in how.

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<v Speaker 4>It has to do with osmo. What's called osmo regulation,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the regulation of salt basically in your body

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<v Speaker 4>and outside your body. So the kidney, you know, pumps

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<v Speaker 4>salt one way or the other. Freshwater fishes live in

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<v Speaker 4>a situation where they've got too much salt relative to

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<v Speaker 4>the freshwater around them. Saltwater fishes have less salt than

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<v Speaker 4>the water around them, so they just have to be

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<v Speaker 4>careful with their kidneys. Some of them go back and forth.

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<v Speaker 4>What oh yeah, well salmon right, salmon go down, they

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<v Speaker 4>go up the river, they have their babies, they wash

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<v Speaker 4>back down, they live some time in the ocean. They

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<v Speaker 4>switch back. Lots of gobies do this too, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>how do they do that? They have badass kidneys, that's how.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know, I never knew. I always thought like

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<v Speaker 2>once they got to a brackish zone, they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of here. Some do okay. Yeah, I've seen

420
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>salmon spawning in a stream, and I've always wondered, like,

421
00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.400
<v Speaker 2>clearly that makes them so vulnerable to predation if you

422
00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:18.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted sashimi was just like any of them. I mean,

423
00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:19.799
<v Speaker 2>how screwed are they when they do that?

424
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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean you've seen the bears. Yeah, just scooping them,

425
00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.279
<v Speaker 4>just scooping them up. Just watch them, just watch them

426
00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.839
<v Speaker 4>go by, grabbing them one by one. There's a lot

427
00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.720
<v Speaker 4>of them. Yeah, and some of them make it and

428
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.880
<v Speaker 4>some of them don't. But a lot of them make it.

429
00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.079
<v Speaker 4>And also you know, a lot the ones that do

430
00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.359
<v Speaker 4>make it, they'll have hundreds and thousands of eggs, and

431
00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.720
<v Speaker 4>so that's kind of how fishes deal most of the

432
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:45.279
<v Speaker 4>time with the lottery of having children is that they

433
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<v Speaker 4>have a whole bunch and just hope that some survive.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Right, they're like by good luxia, Yeah, have fun.

435
00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, okay bye.

436
00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.279
<v Speaker 2>See. Also, the enormous Catholic broods on either side of

437
00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.599
<v Speaker 2>my family lineage, so many. It's like some of them

438
00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.240
<v Speaker 2>will probably be fine when it comes to the little guys.

439
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:05.839
<v Speaker 2>You study a lot of little guys. You showed me

440
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.640
<v Speaker 2>some cool specimens. Is that also a numbers game? I

441
00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.640
<v Speaker 2>mean they're kind of are they kind of lower on

442
00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the food chain, right, it's kind.

443
00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.240
<v Speaker 4>Of a it's a value laden term. It's evaluating.

444
00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Yes, yes they are.

445
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.519
<v Speaker 4>They are. It's their food for a lot of other things,

446
00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.759
<v Speaker 4>it's true. Yeah, And there's a lot of them. There's

447
00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.839
<v Speaker 4>a lot of them. There's so the larger group that

448
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:29.160
<v Speaker 4>they're a part of is maybe twenty, say, twenty five

449
00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.279
<v Speaker 4>hundred species, and the total number of bony fishes is

450
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<v Speaker 4>like twenty five thousand, so that little more so that's

451
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<v Speaker 4>ten percent of fishes right there.

452
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<v Speaker 2>How many fish species have been identified.

453
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<v Speaker 4>So, like I said, twenty twenty six thousand in that ballpark. Yeah,

454
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.240
<v Speaker 4>there's more all the time. People are finding more all

455
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<v Speaker 4>the time, and there's more out there we don't know

456
00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:46.960
<v Speaker 4>about it. I mean, there might be fifty thousand out

457
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.440
<v Speaker 4>there that we just haven't we haven't gotten them yet.

458
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.079
<v Speaker 2>And you just walked me through the collections. You have

459
00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.160
<v Speaker 2>five million specimens here in jars.

460
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<v Speaker 4>Yep, where do you get the jars? Well, you know

461
00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:01.319
<v Speaker 4>that's a good th't that's a very good question. You know,

462
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.519
<v Speaker 4>if you're talking about like a straight eight to squad eight,

463
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 4>you want a gallon, you want a big hinge one

464
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.680
<v Speaker 4>with a lid that's different different places, But a general

465
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 4>bottle in here in Los Angeles, cells, cells jars.

466
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, curiosity and procrastination got the better of me and

467
00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I googled general bottle supply. Why not? It's legit. Now,

468
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.319
<v Speaker 2>if you ever get lost in a catalog of jars,

469
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:27.440
<v Speaker 2>whoo short tall amber, cobalt blue lidded, narrow boy, howdie

470
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>woo jar heaven, this will change at least one of

471
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:32.799
<v Speaker 2>your lives out there. I'm convinced. Do you ever have

472
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>to take like donations like hey, if anyone's got any

473
00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:37.200
<v Speaker 2>big pickle jugs like.

474
00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.160
<v Speaker 4>Drop off, that's exactly what we don't like to do

475
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.359
<v Speaker 4>only because the you know, let me tell you the

476
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.519
<v Speaker 4>problem is not the jar, it's the lid. Oh, glass

477
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.960
<v Speaker 4>jar is a glass jar. You gotta think about your

478
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.319
<v Speaker 4>closure to some serious collection management. Gotta get that lid

479
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.279
<v Speaker 4>nice and tire. You wanted to have a nice liner.

480
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:54.000
<v Speaker 4>It's important.

481
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh or else you've got all kinds of evaporation happening exactly, Okay,

482
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Now what happens when and say an oar fish washes

483
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>up side note? An oor fish is this long, long, long,

484
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes up to eleven meters or over thirty feet.

485
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:17.359
<v Speaker 2>That's like a three story building, long, bony, snaky looking

486
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.880
<v Speaker 2>fish that lives in temperate or tropical waters. Now, when

487
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>they're sick or dying, they tend to come up to

488
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the surface just to be like it's the end. So

489
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they're at the surface, and they fueled all these old

490
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:36.039
<v Speaker 2>pirty rumors of sea serpents. They also have these two

491
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 2>long fins on their bellies which look kind of like

492
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>canoe oars. Google image search them and then tell me

493
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:46.640
<v Speaker 2>if you emitted a scream like Homer Simpson. And it's

494
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a specimen that everyone is just crazy for, Like what

495
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.960
<v Speaker 2>do you do what happens is usually we get a

496
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>phone call and they'll say, this is great fish.

497
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 4>Do you want to come get it? Do you want it?

498
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.559
<v Speaker 4>We've had stuff wash up, you know, or fish, sharks,

499
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 4>various things. Sometimes fishermen will catch some weird thing and

500
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.880
<v Speaker 4>they'll call us and we'll go get it, and then

501
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 4>we'll like, we have you. There's some pictures on my

502
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 4>I have an Instagram account at sackfish t J A

503
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 4>C K Fish then that I post like behind the

504
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 4>scenes fish's stuff. And one of the pictures on there

505
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 4>is us prepping the oar fish, so great big fish.

506
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 4>We had to have a tank especially built and we

507
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.559
<v Speaker 4>fixed it and we put it up on display upstairs.

508
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I love that fish.

509
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 4>It's a great fish.

510
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean I used to be as a volunteer. I

511
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>would get stationed there a lot.

512
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 4>Did you really did you know that? You know, so

513
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 4>you know how it has those long oars? Did you

514
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 4>notice that one of them is broken? And our collection

515
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 4>manager had to like plastic surgery fix it with a

516
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 4>drinking straw, with like a piece of drinking straw. It

517
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 4>was a little bit of like mortuary, you know. Body, yes, yeah,

518
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 4>body preparation for display I've.

519
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Heard that there's I just heard that there's an ology

520
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>for that of the It's like cosmetology and pantatology combined.

521
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>By there must be I must get what it's called.

522
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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know anyone did that for or fish.

523
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>By the bye, that ology is desirology, and I just

524
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 2>want to give props to Meghan Rosenbloom of Death Salon

525
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>for the heads up on that. Also. I used to

526
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.920
<v Speaker 2>volunteer at the museum talking to kids about this ar fish,

527
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 2>and I never ever noticed the drinking straw. But after

528
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>this interview at the museum, I went upstairs and I

529
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>looked for it and I saw it and I loved it.

530
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>So a photo will be up on the ologies Instagram

531
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>because you got to see this you would never notice. Man,

532
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I love that dead fish. This one time a little

533
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>girl looked at it and then she looked at me

534
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and she asked, is it dead? And I told her

535
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>yes and died naturally. And then she asked me, is

536
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 2>the fish in heaven with my grandpa? And I said, man,

537
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I hope so, because that sounds like a real party,

538
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>little dude. I love the idea of her grandpa like

539
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>listening to disco drink it as seagrums and sevens just

540
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>with a dead ass sea serpent. What's the craziest fish

541
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you've ever seen?

542
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Irl? Something called a hulafish?

543
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:00.039
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

544
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 4>Okay? A hula fish is a small refish that lives

545
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 4>in Australia and it is only found in Australia. And

546
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I'd never heard of it. I've never seen it. And

547
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 4>there's just like a couple of years ago, I'm sending

548
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 4>fish all this time and I've done in a crime

549
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 4>in Sydney and I saw this fish in the tank

550
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 4>and I had no idea what it was like, no idea,

551
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 4>And that's.

552
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 2>A weird feeling, right given you know what I do.

553
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And I just stared at as.

554
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 4>Stared and start and it was like I was five

555
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 4>again looking at this tank, going how is this possible?

556
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 4>What is this alien thing? Yeah? Hulafish freaky looking and

557
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 4>it looks like nothing. It's a little got blue and

558
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 4>white stripes, but it moves in a very sinuous way

559
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.240
<v Speaker 4>like a hula answer, hence the name.

560
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's where they got it exactly. I saw a

561
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>video and a hula fish does have moose? Have you

562
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>ever gotten to name the fish.

563
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I have named several fish.

564
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>How do you do? Where do you come up with it?

565
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

566
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.240
<v Speaker 4>Let's see. One of them I named for the color.

567
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 4>One of it I named for the locality. There's one

568
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 4>that i'm naming right now that I just showed you

569
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 4>that I'm naming for the guy who worked on it, Midgley.

570
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you get to name anything after yourself.

571
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.039
<v Speaker 4>That's considered poor form? Okay, yeah, that's Gonta the perform

572
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 4>I have three seasons named after me by people.

573
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. So if you have a fish named

574
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 2>after you, it's because someone else is like ding, you

575
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 2>deserve this, But if you do it, you do yourself.

576
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 4>You're a douche. I never that.

577
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so great.

578
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 4>You got it if you really can. I mean, and

579
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 4>if you really care about such things, you just make

580
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 4>a deal with your buddy, like you know. But people

581
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 4>don't even really do that. I mean, that's again, that's like,

582
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 4>that's pretty, that's tacky.

583
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea. Are there any that have been

584
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>named recently where you know they'll name one after like

585
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>David Bowie or I don't know.

586
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 4>There's a genus of Gobi's called Zappa Oh really, Yeah,

587
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 4>that's a while that's from a while ago.

588
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>How I wonder why did he get a because.

589
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 4>The guy who studied them love Frank Zappa Boom. And

590
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 4>the awesome thing is it's a mud skipper. Do you

591
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 4>know what that is? No, these crazy amphibious fish they have.

592
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 4>They have these googly eyes on top of their head

593
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 4>that they can like suck back down, these little water

594
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 4>cups and their faces they come out of the water.

595
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 4>They live in mud. They live in the mud. They

596
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 4>live on land most of the time, and they just

597
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 4>kind of around and they fight each other, and they

598
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.680
<v Speaker 4>have these crazy little fis displays, and they're like this big,

599
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 4>just a little kit they're tiny.

600
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like half the size of a candy bar.

601
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 4>They're far, they're itty bitty, and they're ferocious, ferocious.

602
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite fish?

603
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 4>I have several favorite fish. Have you ever seen a wahoo?

604
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.079
<v Speaker 4>It's beautiful. It's beautiful a way, who is kind of

605
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 4>like a tune. It's a great, big, silvery pelagic fish,

606
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 4>and it's just spectacular. It looks like a torpedo. It's

607
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 4>like a silvery torpedo. I really like mud skippers. I

608
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 4>like shrimp phobe. Some of the shrimp gobies I work

609
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 4>on are just beautiful, very delicate, you know, colorful fishes,

610
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 4>and they do all kinds of weird things.

611
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, what's the what's their relationship with shrimp?

612
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 4>Shrimp? Gobi's live with shrimp and burrows. The shrimp builds

613
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 4>the burrow and the gobi lives with the shrimp. So

614
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 4>it's a symbiotic relationship, like a mutualistic relationship. They help

615
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 4>each other.

616
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, they're like Burton nerdy, they are.

617
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 4>And gobi's actually do this a lot. There's gobies that

618
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 4>live in sponges and sea urchins and you know, all

619
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 4>kinds of different places. They like, they're friendly, they like

620
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 4>to participate in mutualisms. And a goby and a sh

621
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.119
<v Speaker 4>shrimp will the gobi is actually the watch dog. So

622
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 4>the shrimp is blind. Oh this is this a great story.

623
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 4>The shrimp is a blind This is nature, this is evolution,

624
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 4>this is just all This is our world we live.

625
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 4>This is a planet we live on with these things,

626
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 4>which is kind of like just blows my mind. This

627
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<v Speaker 4>is fishes. I think of my fishes every day with

628
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<v Speaker 4>that sort of tone, like this is on our planet

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<v Speaker 4>with us. Are these creatures so shrimps and gooby's. The

630
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<v Speaker 4>shrimp is blind. The gobi watches, sits on the bottom

631
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<v Speaker 4>and watches and is a guard dog. The little shrimp

632
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<v Speaker 4>builds the burrow and takes care of the burrow. And

633
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<v Speaker 4>they are in touch with each other. They communicate via

634
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<v Speaker 4>a tactile communication system, a touch system. What the antennae

635
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:47.640
<v Speaker 4>of the shrimp are very long, and the antennae of

636
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 4>the shrimp. As the shrimp, you know, scrumples around and works,

637
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 4>it keeps in contact with the gobi's body, and the

638
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Gobi will flick its tail or move or dart back

639
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<v Speaker 4>and forth to let the shrimp know what's going on

640
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.839
<v Speaker 4>if there's danger, if you can come out no way

641
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 4>con cent true.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you guys been able to figure out what different

643
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<v Speaker 2>flicks mean?

644
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<v Speaker 4>Well, not exactly, but you can see them. If you

645
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 4>watch them, which I have done many many hours doing,

646
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 4>you'll see the gobie like one hard flick is basically

647
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 4>there's danger, and oftentimes the Gobi and the shrimp when

648
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 4>they're sitting together, they just the gobey will move a

649
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 4>little bit and the shrimp will you know, keep in touch.

650
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 4>But it's real gentle like they'll almost kind of sing, yeah,

651
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 4>it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, like little

652
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 4>little gentle movements.

653
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<v Speaker 2>I just got goosebumps, like the full body goosebumps. That's crazy.

654
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<v Speaker 2>That's bananas now is that language? When?

655
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's language? Oh yeah for shirts language? Of course

656
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 4>they're communicating.

657
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>God, that's nuts.

658
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<v Speaker 4>They're rare in collections because they're very, very difficult to catch.

659
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Are they just too quick?

660
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 4>They're very quick?

661
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 2>So then do you have to just have certain nets

662
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<v Speaker 2>like you were saying, plankedon nets or set up traps?

663
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 4>That doesn't work. Actually, you have to use a spear gun,

664
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<v Speaker 4>a spear gun. You have to use a spear gun.

665
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 4>It's it's this crazy complicated way. You have to go

666
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 4>down there with a spear gun. You fit the spear

667
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 4>gun out with like a blade or a like a

668
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 4>pented dent like prongs, so it's like almost like a shovel,

669
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<v Speaker 4>and the sand is very loose, and the goby's very

670
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 4>fast and very good at its job. And you what

671
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 4>you do is you wait. You have to wait, let

672
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 4>them calm down till the shrimp and the gobi you're

673
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 4>both out of the burrow and then you shoot the burrow.

674
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 4>You shoot the burrow, the fish and the shrimp run

675
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.519
<v Speaker 4>and then you chase them and you catch them one

676
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 4>by one.

677
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, So you might be doing that all day.

678
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's very difficult.

679
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I have the dumbness question. Please dinosaurs, Right, we've got

680
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>a meteor boom, dinosaurs, goodbye. Fish under water the whole time,

681
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>so they were just chill and fine. There were losses, okay,

682
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>there were losses, okay.

683
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 4>But not to the extent that the terrestrial anomurs animals

684
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 4>suffered in the Cretaceous Tertiary extinction. The media that killed

685
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.480
<v Speaker 4>the dinosaurs did affect fishes. In fact, it killed a

686
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of the bigger predatory fishes, larger sort of top

687
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 4>of the food chain fishes. There was an event a

688
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 4>lot earlier, at the n Permium extinction that that was

689
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 4>much worse for oceans. So it was just a different

690
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 4>type of extinction, different different causes. So yeah, it was

691
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 4>a more like there were like volcanoes and sulfur and

692
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 4>climate change and the ocean got acidic and it was

693
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 4>very bad. And that's kind of what we're watching out

694
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 4>for now because those things are very very bad and

695
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 4>that kills a lot of the ocean life.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So there was the n permium and then there

697
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>was the cape kk yeah exactly. Okay, Yeah, I didn't

698
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<v Speaker 2>know the difference between them. Thank you very much of that.

699
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure people ask you this day in and day out.

700
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<v Speaker 2>Do you eat fish?

701
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<v Speaker 4>Yes? I do eat fish, Okay, for fish, I always

702
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 4>recommend this is and it's serious. I mean, this is

703
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 4>one again one of those things we got to watch

704
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 4>out for. What the ocean. Don't eat most kinds of

705
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 4>wild cott tuna, do not eat orange roughy. For your convenience,

706
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 4>you can go to seafood watch dot org. Okay, and

707
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.640
<v Speaker 4>the Monterey Bay Aquarium has a list and it's always changing.

708
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 4>They're always updating it. But a lot of farmed fishes

709
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>fine to eat. You know, it's it's done responsibly, you know,

710
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 4>ecologically conscious. And you can also check and see if

711
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 4>it's if the seafood that you're buying is MSc certified

712
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.199
<v Speaker 4>Miss Marine Stewardship Council.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, Okay, I didn't know about that. Ye what about fish?

714
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Fish is getting it on? There's some weird, weird behavior

715
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>any that you tell people at cocktail parties.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a lot of the gobies that I study are

717
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 4>sex changers. What, yes, they will start out a lot

718
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 4>of them, the ones, some of the ones that live

719
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 4>right off our coast are start their lives. They're all

720
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 4>born as females, and then the biggest one turns into

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00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 4>a male. Yeah, no way, and it kind of runs

722
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 4>the hair. And then if he dies, the next biggest

723
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 4>female turns into a male. And there's ones that go

724
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 4>the other way too that they're all male except for

725
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 4>a big female.

726
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>How do they do that?

727
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.599
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just like you know, the freshwater saltwater.

728
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 4>They have a really good kidney, you know, male and female.

729
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 4>They have a really flexible gonad and it just changes.

730
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Do they have an X and Y chromosome?

731
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 4>They do, Yeah, they have a system that's similar to ours.

732
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 4>But the thing is is that, I mean, remember a female,

733
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 4>female's the ground state. I mean, being male is kind

734
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 4>of like a like an extra little birth defect that

735
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 4>gets like hammered on there at the end. And so

736
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 4>turning turning a female going and turning too a male

737
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 4>going is what happens to all human males.

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00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, uh, misogynists boo.

739
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, Yeah, you can switch it. The gonuts come

740
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 4>from the same tissues. You can switch them back and forth.

741
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 2>That's true. I forget that. So the biggest one I

742
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 2>wonder if they do it by by will? Are they

743
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>like boop? Okay, here I go.

744
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, they start to feel it, they start to

745
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 4>feel it.

746
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Boom oh unbelievable everyone, And you know everyone always talks

747
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 2>about the anglerfish. Yeah, the male just kind of grows

748
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>into the female.

749
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

750
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Is that a good one for cocktail parties?

751
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

752
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, people people know that. They're like, you know, the

753
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 4>only problem is people know that one. Now that's kind

754
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 4>of old news.

755
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, to sum up the lore of the anglerfish in

756
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a few seconds, here we go very unsightly but majestic

757
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>deep sea lady anglerfish has this glowing, dankled angle on

758
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.800
<v Speaker 2>her head and a vicious underbite with these jagged ass teeth.

759
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And the male is tiny and he could barely feed

760
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 2>himself with his little baby mouth. So he finds a

761
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 2>lady anglerfish and he gnaws into her side, thus dissolving

762
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>his lips and her flesh and fuses them into one,

763
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and then he just kind of feeds off nutrients in

764
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 2>her blood. Gets absorbed into her body and then supplies

765
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>her with sperm when she needs it. He's kind of

766
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like that sad, sad guy at last Call. But it's

767
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>dark and you feel ugly, so you go with it forever.

768
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to think about what is a cool fish fact.

769
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 4>I talk about mud skippers, which are crazy that they're fish.

770
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I read one story about how there's some oh god,

771
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.639
<v Speaker 2>now I can't remember, some fish who holds her eggs

772
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 2>in her mouth.

773
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, cardinalfish. Cardinalfish do it. Jawfish do it. Is fantastic.

774
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 4>They will go sick lits. Sickle fishes, which you might

775
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 4>know from aquaria, will sometimes to do it. It's just

776
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 4>a way to keep the eggs safe.

777
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes I've heard that a man will trick

778
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.639
<v Speaker 2>a man. A male fish will trick a female fish

779
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>into thinking there's food. She opens her mouth and then

780
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 2>he just is like, surprise, just surprise, I've fertilized your mouth.

781
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Does that happen.

782
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 4>What usually happens is that the eggs, yeah, it can. Well,

783
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 4>Usually what happens is the eggs can't fertilize right away either,

784
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 4>because she'll lay the eggs. He'll fertilize them and she'll

785
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 4>scoop them up, or she'll scoop them up and then

786
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 4>he'll fertilize them in her mouth. You can picture that, right, Yeah, sure,

787
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 4>it's biology. It's not bad.

788
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't judge, I mean, but the main thing with

789
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>fish is you've got to make a lot of babies

790
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>hope they survive exactly exactly.

791
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 4>And the idea is that the lower the amount of

792
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 4>care that you put into your babies, the more you've

793
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 4>got to have. Right, So, like if you're just gonna

794
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.639
<v Speaker 4>blow them out too the wind, like a seed or

795
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 4>fish egg, you know, into the water, you gotta have

796
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of them. If you're gonna take care of them,

797
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 4>you might have fewer. And if a mouth breweder is

798
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 4>just gonna have a calp, be hindred, whereas a spawner

799
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 4>broadcast spawner might have a couple thousand a broadcast spawner

800
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 4>broadcast spawner broadcasting to you, yes.

801
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Is that just like holding eggs out of a moving

802
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>car and you just see.

803
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 4>It's like you salt the fields just everywhere.

804
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Although sharks have those cool sacks.

805
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sharks, sharks are have some lay eggs like that,

806
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 4>and some actually have live young and some fish have

807
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:25.960
<v Speaker 4>live young too. They have a few live young, but

808
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 4>it's rare.

809
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>And sharks are fish. Sharks are fish? Does that ever

810
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>trip people up? I always feel like sharks are in

811
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>their own category because people are there. They have such

812
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>a different place in society than the rest of the fish,

813
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you know.

814
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 4>Well, and they aren't different. I mean, they are a

815
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 4>different evolutionary group than fishes, that's true, but they are

816
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, And like I said, most people the general

817
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 4>term fish. They just think, oh, it's a vertebrate animal

818
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 4>that lives in the water, and they're maybe not anything vertebrate,

819
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 4>but like you know, an animal like us with like

820
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 4>heads and a back and limbs and eyes. So yeah,

821
00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 4>sharks fall into that category.

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<v Speaker 2>In that case, I have so many questions from listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your questions all right, so I'll just rapid fire, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>as quick as you can answer great, although sometimes I

845
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<v Speaker 2>know these are complicated questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay.

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00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Greg wants to know how has climate change affected fish

848
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 2>species and fish populations across the world, and how are

849
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.679
<v Speaker 2>plastic and other pollution affecting fish biology and health.

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00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Number one, fishes are moving like we will see things

851
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 4>off the coast California, we never used to see because

852
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 4>they came from warmer waters to the south. So with

853
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 4>fishes that can move, our moving in response to climate change.

854
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 4>What is plastic? Very very bad? The number one thing

855
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 4>that I would say to people when they say to me,

856
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 4>what can I do sort of for the planet and

857
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.679
<v Speaker 4>for the oceans, is watch it with your plastic. Keep

858
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 4>your plastic. Like, if you are using plastic, fine, but

859
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.280
<v Speaker 4>recycle it, don't you know, don't let it get into

860
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 4>the ocean. Be careful what you let into the waterways.

861
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I went to Hawaii. I got to go for a

862
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 2>job and I got to see I know. I was

863
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>mostly in hotels and in donut shops. It was it's

864
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a weird job, but I but I walked by the

865
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.119
<v Speaker 2>marina and it looked like a beautiful aquarium and like

866
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.320
<v Speaker 2>a Durrito's bag just floated by, and I was like,

867
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 2>this is a picture of dystopia. What have we done?

868
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 4>Plastic is very bad and it bugs me, bugs me

869
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 4>like emotionally like it upsets me. So yes, please, please people,

870
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 4>be careful with your plastic. Just recycle it. It's not

871
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 4>even that hard. Just recycle it. Just recycle it. That's

872
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 4>all I.

873
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Ask once again, recycle it. If you're like everything is bad?

874
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>What do I do? I feel you? I feel you?

875
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 2>So I looked it up. According to Greenpeace, here are

876
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>some other ways you can cut down on plastics. You

877
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>can carry a reusable bottle. We use a bunch of

878
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 2>bottles all the time. You can say no to plastic straws,

879
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 2>say no to disposable cutlery. You can avoid things with

880
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>microbeads and carry a shopping bag. Look at that boom.

881
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>You're already a better person, better than you were fifteen

882
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 2>seconds ago. We did it. We save the planet.

883
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Yay.

884
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I also asked doctor Thacker in an email later something

885
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to address. It's regarding flesh colored, rope looking

886
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>slimeballs which feed on decaying matter, which I hear is

887
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>spectacularly gross to witness. So has she ever seen a

888
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>hagfish eating it a whale? She said, I have never

889
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>personally seen a hagfish eating a whale. But they do

890
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>scavenger those carcasses down in the deep, and it's busy.

891
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Mainly they really go at it. Lots of hagfish flailing,

892
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>she says. Right now, there's a bunch of hagfish having

893
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 2>a whale picnic and the dark depths of the ocean.

894
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Is that crazy and you're just like making a sandwich

895
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and there's just a hagfish being like, this is my

896
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 2>life anyway? Okay, Brian Edge wants to know the populations

897
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>of any species changed for the better since orgs like

898
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Monterey Bay Aquarium Seafood Watch have come around.

899
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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, yes, absolutely. And one of the beautiful things about

900
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 4>the ocean and working, you know, with fish and thinking

901
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 4>about fisheries and climate change and whatever, and you know,

902
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 4>even horrible scary things like coral bleaching, is that if

903
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 4>we take action the problem, it will help, the problem

904
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 4>will get better. Fisheries are rebounding that that have been protected,

905
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 4>so it's definitely worth it.

906
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Is there a hope for coral reefs?

907
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

908
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, oh good, Yes, it is.

909
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.159
<v Speaker 4>It is. It is. It is a failure of will.

910
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 4>It is not a failure. It's not that we don't

911
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 4>know what to do. What we need to do is

912
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 4>watch it with the carbon emissions. It's just that we

913
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 4>don't have the will to do it. But if we

914
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 4>were to take care and you know, cut that down,

915
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 4>we would we would see some recovery in the coral reefs.

916
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 4>I have no doubt you never hear about the ozone

917
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 4>hole anymore. Remember that word. Yeah, yeah, and that's because

918
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>that's because CFC's got banned and it hell and boom

919
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 4>problem solved.

920
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh good to know that's actually that gives me a

921
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of hope. Mm hmmm. Michael Satambaga asks, throwing some

922
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>shade here, why does some tilapia taste like mud while

923
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>others don't.

924
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 4>It depends on what it's eating and how it's farmed.

925
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he's right, And like some cafesh you taste

926
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 4>tastes terrible. You want to you want to go eat

927
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 4>an alligator. You want to get yourself a farmed alligator.

928
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Don't eat a wild alligator because they just eat garbage

929
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 4>and like pig carcasses. It's yucky ool.

930
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that same problem with salapi. Do the

931
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 2>farmed ones just eat like cereal and stuff?

932
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 4>They do? Yeah, they're like you know, and they have

933
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 4>like you know, alligator spa days and they eat good food.

934
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I couldn't seem to find out what farmed

935
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 2>alligators eat, but I did manage to find some Southern

936
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 2>swamp boat captain hopping out in a muscle tank top

937
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 2>into the bog water and feeding alligators marshmallows out of

938
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>his mouth. And now I know that hell exists. H

939
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Jenna Kawala Calton. I say her name wrong every time

940
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I read it. Jenna. Okay, this is a I once

941
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>heard this when I was twelve things. But can fish

942
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>not feel pain or do they just have short memories?

943
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 4>This is a common misconception, and the answer is, of

944
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 4>course they feel pain. Of course they feel pain fish.

945
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 4>You have to feel pain. Otherwise when a predator starts

946
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 4>running at you, you wouldn't feel it and you just

947
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 4>get eaten. So yes, they do feel pain.

948
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>How are their memories?

949
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, probably not that great. Okay, but I mean, let's

950
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 4>just you know what, let's just not hurt fish, right, Yeah,

951
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 4>don't make them feel pain. Don't make them feel pain.

952
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 4>Why do they need to feel pain?

953
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>What kind of brains do they have?

954
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 4>They have brains like ours, but simpler, but the same

955
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.760
<v Speaker 4>basic the same basic you know road map, same basic nerves,

956
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 4>same basic vertebrate brain, So.

957
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>They can feel pain. I'm sorry fish. Joe wants to

958
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 2>know there are some highly weird species in the deep ocean.

959
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite one you like to bring

960
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.599
<v Speaker 2>up at parties, which I think I just asked you this.

961
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, Joe, No, that's okay. The deep sea fish is.

962
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.039
<v Speaker 4>The thing about deep sea fish is that's hilarious is

963
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 4>that most of them are small.

964
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, really a little if.

965
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 4>I just yesterday I was looking at a fossil, beautiful

966
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 4>fossil of something called a hatchet fish, and there's one

967
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 4>about the size of a silver dollar in our collection.

968
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 4>It's got these beautiful little light organs and crazy teeth

969
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 4>like even a You know, your average angler fish is

970
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 4>not going to be any bigger than your fist, oh

971
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 4>for the most part, and you're sort of toothy dragonfish

972
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 4>looking thing. You know, those might be I don't know,

973
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 4>those might be the size of a hot dog, maybe

974
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 4>six seven, it's just long, not that big. Really, not

975
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot of them smaller.

976
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Now, Zoe Teplick wants to know aquariums, good or bad.

977
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Do fish suffer the same impact of captivity as mammals,

978
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and is a benefit of studying fish in captivity worth

979
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the harm it can cause the fish?

980
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, fish, It's true, fish can get bored.

981
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 4>It's not as bad as like a polar bear, polar

982
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 4>bear in a studio apartment. You feel sad, right for

983
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 4>the for the polar or something like a wolf, or

984
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, something that requires a big territory. It's not

985
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 4>quite that bad, but they don't like being in captivity,

986
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 4>It's true. And the bad thing about keeping fishing captivity,

987
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 4>as far as I'm concerned, is the pet trade. I

988
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 4>used to keep fishing, then I stopped because I found

989
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 4>out about the terrible practices in the petrade. What happens, well,

990
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.400
<v Speaker 4>you just done. Guys will go on and dynamite fish.

991
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 4>They'll siganaide fish, will just kill tons of fish. They

992
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 4>get a few, just to get a few, and then

993
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 4>they'll get shipped across the ocean and they'll be sick

994
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 4>and it's just awful.

995
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>It's horrible.

996
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 4>I know.

997
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>You dynamite, you kill a bunch and then whatever's alive

998
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 2>you take. Yeah, that seems like a terrible idea.

999
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 4>It is, it's it's but it's cheap and it's quick.

1000
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh and the idea is that the percussion of the explosion,

1001
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, can stun the fish and then the fish

1002
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 4>will float up and they just can't they swoop them up.

1003
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 4>That's terrible. Yeah, so, and that doesn't I mean, that

1004
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 4>doesn't happen everywhere all the time, but it does happen,

1005
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 4>especially for species that are in the pet trade.

1006
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 2>What about aquariums like you know, sanctioned on a Rey

1007
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Bay Aquarium. How do you feel about those? I, you

1008
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 2>know what, I like them.

1009
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 4>And the reason is that fishes are so alien and

1010
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 4>the undersea world is so bizarre. I want people to

1011
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 4>be able to see it. I want people to look

1012
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 4>at those rock fish, look them in the eye, you know,

1013
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 4>think about the planet that they that we we share

1014
00:47:58.760 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 4>in common.

1015
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 2>So for being ambassadors to the public exactly then. But

1016
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>just like a fish tank in your dentist office, a fish.

1017
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Tank in your dentists office, I mean there's and it's

1018
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:10.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of like fish that you eat. There's fish that

1019
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 4>are farmed that are bread for captivity for pets, you know, goldfishes,

1020
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 4>all this fancy goldfish things like that. There's plenty of

1021
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 4>saltwater fishes that are that are bread in captivity. And

1022
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.519
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. I mean keep again, keep keep a fish,

1023
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 4>keep a pet, look at it, appreciate it, understand it,

1024
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 4>learn about it. Just don't, you know, don't eat a

1025
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 4>wild catt tuna and don't don't care for a dynamite raised,

1026
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 4>dynamite hunted fish.

1027
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I never knew that was a thing. That's so mean. Yeah,

1028
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Casey Hanmer wants to know why do fish have so

1029
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 2>many bones all caps? Also, why are salmon so amazing?

1030
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.719
<v Speaker 4>Fish do have a lot of bones? I mean, I

1031
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 4>suppose that's just what works for them. It's not. It's

1032
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Speaker 4>not again, it's not sort of a value judgment. The

1033
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 4>auto be flexible. They move in a lot of different directions.

1034
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.880
<v Speaker 4>They have, you know, a lot of muscle motion going on.

1035
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.119
<v Speaker 4>Like I said, they live in three D updown, on,

1036
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 4>side to side, back forward. And why are salmon so awesome? Yeah,

1037
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, salmon are very old. Oh salmon, salmonoforms. It's

1038
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 4>an old group. Lot of cool things all around the world.

1039
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 4>And again it's kind of amazing that something can go

1040
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 4>back and forth been fresh and salt water.

1041
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>He wants to know. Also, why do some fish have

1042
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>two co dominant mating strategies, the alpha and the sneak.

1043
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 4>That is a complicated question. Okay, what he's talking about

1044
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 4>is a male and a female fish will mate and

1045
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 4>have babies, and the male oftentimes has to expend energy

1046
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:34.920
<v Speaker 4>to do that. He's got to show off. Maybe he

1047
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 4>makes a little territory, makes a little nest and it

1048
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 4>does a little fancy dance and the lady says, oh,

1049
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.320
<v Speaker 4>that's beautiful, and then lays her eggs. If you are

1050
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 4>a sneaker male, you can get away with circumventing that.

1051
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 4>And what a sneaker male does is just jumps in,

1052
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.119
<v Speaker 4>sprays the semen, fertilizes the eggs, and whips out of there.

1053
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 4>What a fuck boy, right, okay, this is the fuck

1054
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 4>boy of the animal kingdom. No effort, just like you up.

1055
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:07.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's two am, bam in and out and

1056
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.639
<v Speaker 4>it's it's a strategy usually used by smaller males that

1057
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.119
<v Speaker 4>can't sort of do a territory or do the behavior.

1058
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 4>They don't want to spend energy. But they'll sneak in

1059
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 4>and have a mate. They'll sneak in and have a mating.

1060
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 4>It's no good, no good, no yeh, Yeah.

1061
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 2>It happens in a lot of species. Mike Millshouer wants

1062
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to know do fish sleep?

1063
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 4>They do?

1064
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>They do?

1065
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 4>They do?

1066
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1067
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.440
<v Speaker 4>You sometimes parrot fish will kind of you'll see them

1068
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 4>on the bottom at night. They like wrap themselves in

1069
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 4>this bubble of mucking in, nice and cozy and just lovely.

1070
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, they'll they'll, you know, they doze off. I

1071
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:49.519
<v Speaker 4>wonder if they dream they must write some big uh,

1072
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, big plagic fishes. They'll just you know, obviously

1073
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 4>they don't go down to the bottom to sleep, but

1074
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 4>they'll just you know, they'll doze off a little bit

1075
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 4>at a time. They'll sleep in little bursts.

1076
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bet they have so many shark nightmares.

1077
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, I wonder, right, I wonder what that must

1078
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 4>be like.

1079
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I know, do you ever have to talk people down

1080
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>from sharkphobias?

1081
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes? Yeah, but most people are pretty reasonable about it.

1082
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the statistics are like so slim.

1083
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Every yeah, exactly, And at this point everyone knows that,

1084
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're more likely you know, to fall off

1085
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 4>a curb and break your neck than get yeah, beaten,

1086
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 4>you get eaten by a shark.

1087
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, stay out of the water, I suppose, But hmm nah.

1088
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Else bin Hey wants to know what kinds of fish

1089
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 2>are the most ethical? Oh to keep his pets. I

1090
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 2>love my beta fish, but whenever I'm in a pet

1091
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>store and see all the betas and their tiny cups,

1092
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I feel sad. I want to take them all home.

1093
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Should I contribute to that market or should I get

1094
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 2>a different kind of fish next time? Are beta raised

1095
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 2>in captivty?

1096
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.559
<v Speaker 4>Excellent question, and thank you for being so you know,

1097
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 4>so responsible. Yeah, betafish are raising captivity. Go ahead and

1098
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 4>have as many as you like. Okay. Yeah.

1099
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.079
<v Speaker 2>She also said, why are octopi so freaking scary? And

1100
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 2>do you think they'll take over the world? That's a

1101
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>question for a touthologists, right, get this?

1102
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, that is a very good question. Here is

1103
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 4>the reason that we are not living in servitude to

1104
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 4>our cephalopod overlords. Even the biggest giant squid only lives

1105
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 4>for five years.

1106
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 3>What.

1107
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.320
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I just found this out.

1108
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Squids, octopuses they have very very.

1109
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.199
<v Speaker 4>Short life spans. They got to go, They got to

1110
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:12.719
<v Speaker 4>grow up, they got a mate, They gotta get it

1111
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 4>done because they're not hanging around it. The minute I

1112
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 4>heard that, I thought, holy shit. If one of those

1113
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 4>things ever figures out and lists one hundred, we're aft, We're.

1114
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Out of here.

1115
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:21.760
<v Speaker 4>It's over for us.

1116
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they'd be better at computer programming than us.

1117
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.599
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it wouldn't even make computer parking. It would be

1118
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 4>like telepathic control of everything.

1119
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you think they're aliens?

1120
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm not qualified to make that assessment.

1121
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 4>It could be, it could be, Okay.

1122
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Craig wants to know how has uh oh, he wants

1123
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to know how has farmed salmon, tilapia and catfish affected

1124
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 2>their species? But I feel like we kind of addressed that,

1125
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:45.719
<v Speaker 2>right Yeah, yeah.

1126
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, farm fisher or fine. The species is fine, It's good, okay. Yeah.

1127
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Craig Minami wants to know has a discovery that southern

1128
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.920
<v Speaker 2>California is a nursery for great white sharks increased your

1129
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:57.360
<v Speaker 2>research into their habits?

1130
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 4>Not me personally, but plenty of people. Yeah, oh yeah,

1131
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:01.840
<v Speaker 4>this is a great place to be if you want

1132
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 4>to work on sharks. Like I said, we're getting fish

1133
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 4>up in soun of the California that used to be

1134
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 4>found much farther to the south, including hammerhead sharks. The

1135
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 4>sharks will follow the seals, I mean the big fishes

1136
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 4>follow the little fishes. They follow the prey items. So

1137
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.199
<v Speaker 4>a if the seals move around, the sharks will go

1138
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 4>after him. The white sharks dang.

1139
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 2>John Worster wants to know when a fisherman catches a fish.

1140
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>The hook usually goes in the lip of the fish.

1141
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Do the fish feel pain when that happens? That's a yes. Yeah,

1142
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>he says, I don't go fish anymore, so the answer

1143
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>will not affect me at all.

1144
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for again, thank you for these these comments.

1145
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 4>I love because they're responsible. You know, these are these

1146
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 4>people are trying to do the right thing. They're caring,

1147
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 4>and I encourage this.

1148
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like fish are people are sensitive to

1149
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 2>fish because people know that they are getting boned with

1150
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.039
<v Speaker 2>climate change. You know.

1151
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, well good, yeah, I mean that's great that

1152
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 4>I encourage that. Well done people.

1153
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Chamberlain has a personal question. She asked fish ever

1154
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 2>bite people, specifically bass or other dwelling fish. I'm trying

1155
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to sett a little bit. I'm positive a fish bit

1156
00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:06.119
<v Speaker 2>me while we were swimming in Whitewater Lake in Wisconsin

1157
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 2>last summer, but my husband disagrees.

1158
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 4>It's definitely possible to the fish bit you. It's definitely possible.

1159
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Jessica's husband, you have been proven wrong.

1160
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 4>They'd have to be u you know, a little confused.

1161
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 4>But maybe the water's muddy, fish bumps ind you bite it? Yeah, couldppen?

1162
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean they don't usually obviously attack things bigger than themselves.

1163
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.880
<v Speaker 4>They usually eat little insects. But yeah, it's possible a fish.

1164
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 4>Goodbite you sure fish? You know, see a little see

1165
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 4>your finger.

1166
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Some take a little bite, little level. Well don't And

1167
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, yeah, yeah, she got a fish kiss.

1168
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly you shouldn't be sad about it.

1169
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Be happy. Krista Chrexler asked do seahorses actually mate for

1170
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:41.920
<v Speaker 2>life and why do the males carry the babies. I'm

1171
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 2>basically wondering, why are seahorses so cool?

1172
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, there's so many reasons. What a great

1173
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 4>group of fish those are. They do not mate for life,

1174
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 4>they'll mate with many different females throughout their life. Why

1175
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 4>does the male carry the babies? You know, I'm actually

1176
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 4>not sure they did. They've got a pouch. They do

1177
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 4>carry them around you usually, So something like that can

1178
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.599
<v Speaker 4>be explained by the idea that the female can make

1179
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 4>more young because of it somehow. You know, Mason movie,

1180
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 4>she has many clutches going at a time. I'm sorry,

1181
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry that one you have to google.

1182
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a great one.

1183
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let me good question. That's a good question.

1184
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I love that she's maybe outsourcing. Yeah, you know what

1185
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean. Side note, I have long thought that fashionable

1186
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 2>stay at home dads wearing baby porns walking kiddos down

1187
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.679
<v Speaker 2>the block to the cold pressed juicery while their mom

1188
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.639
<v Speaker 2>is out kicking ass should be called colloquially seahorses. What

1189
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.119
<v Speaker 2>do you think, Like, Melanie's husband is a total sea horse,

1190
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 2>he's the best. Well, yeah, I quit my job at

1191
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the tech firm and I'm just seahorsing for now. Well, uh,

1192
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Julie's at the oncology practice. Like, can we start that please?

1193
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Billy Marino asked to fish develop emotional attachments to other fish,

1194
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>such as those they are related to, or even those

1195
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 2>that they're are in a school with. If so, how

1196
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 2>do those emotions manifest for us to study?

1197
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.239
<v Speaker 4>Like do the go be in the shrimp like they?

1198
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 4>I feel like they would have to write, but I

1199
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 4>think there's no evidence of that. In fact, even fishes

1200
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 4>like fish will protect they're young if they know they're

1201
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 4>they're young. But some fishes, actually the young have to

1202
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 4>exhibit a different coloration pattern and show a different behavior

1203
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.360
<v Speaker 4>just so that the adult doesn't think they're an enemy

1204
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 4>or a prayer. Oh wow, So yeah, you know, I

1205
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 4>don't know. I don't think so. I mean, you fish,

1206
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 4>two pair bond, they'll pair bond for sure, Like two

1207
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 4>an enemy fishes in an an enemy. Those guys will pairamond.

1208
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 4>They must feel something. Yeah, they can't just be dead inside.

1209
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 4>There must be something. Yeah.

1210
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're cold blooded, but they're not cold hearted.

1211
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 4>That's that's it, exactly, Ali perfectly put. I feel like,

1212
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 4>if you pair bond you can feel love. You must

1213
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 4>be able, would you yeah? Exactly.

1214
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we've settled that. That's it.

1215
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 4>That's solidly, scientifically settled. I'm a doctor. Now.

1216
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Alicia or Sheevil, asks what's your favorite scary or weird fish?

1217
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 2>She loves personally the wolf eel.

1218
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 4>Just for the visual.

1219
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Wolf eels are kind of this like granite colored gray

1220
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>long eel normal, but when it comes to that face,

1221
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 2>they have this angry countenance of Stadler and Waldorf, those

1222
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>two muppets who sit in the balcony and judge everyone.

1223
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 2>They're great, please look them up. And then tattoo went

1224
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 2>on your back.

1225
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:19.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay, first of all, great choice. Okay, my scariest fish

1226
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:25.280
<v Speaker 4>is related to childhood imaginary trauma. I am terrified a stonefish.

1227
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Stonefish are tropical, they live in the sand, they're camouflage,

1228
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.599
<v Speaker 4>they have big spines, and they're deadly venomous. W yes,

1229
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.320
<v Speaker 4>and I, for some reason was terrified of stepping on

1230
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 4>a stone fish, which is kind of like being terrified

1231
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 4>of being my great white shark.

1232
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.079
<v Speaker 2>They'll never it's not gonna happen. When am I ever

1233
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna get Probably never? So have you gotten over it?

1234
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:48.559
<v Speaker 4>Not really?

1235
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, when you wear what are their habitats.

1236
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 4>Into Pacific reefs? Mostly?

1237
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1238
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I just beeral careful when I'm walking around.

1239
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Do you wear like little footsy footsy booties.

1240
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're a little fitty. But if I'm walking, but

1241
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 4>usually I have swim and soon we'reing fins.

1242
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, they probably can't stab you through a fin.

1243
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.480
<v Speaker 4>No, nine, Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. It's an irrational fear.

1244
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Stone fishes, stone cold fishes.

1245
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:13.519
<v Speaker 4>That's it.

1246
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Kelly last questions, It says, I have a billion

1247
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<v Speaker 2>questions because I'm training at an aquarium. Oh well, great,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, But she.

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00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Needs to know needs to know about lumpfish. Why are

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00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>they that color? I had never seen one until recently.

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00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 2>She's fascinated, she said, specifically the teal color, and why

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00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>are they jelly like? And why do they make good caviar?

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00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 2>What is a lumpfish?

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00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 4>Oh she's talking about Okay, all.

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00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, So Aaron's talking about a fish called Cyclopteris lumpus,

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00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.760
<v Speaker 2>which come on that name, the name wins. They're also

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00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.760
<v Speaker 2>called lump suckers, which is another a plus insult in

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00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.239
<v Speaker 2>a pinch when you can't swear. So they must have

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00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 2>healthy self esteems to deal with the name. But can

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00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you imagine if our species was called like a lump ape?

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00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>How savage is that lumpfish or like whatever? Anyway, they

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00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>are lumpy and they suck things, and the caviar is expensive,

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<v Speaker 2>and not much is known about them. So I hereby

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<v Speaker 2>implore Aaron Kelly you're listening, please become an chthyologist and

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<v Speaker 2>study them, no pressure. She's talking about a deep sea fish.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that much about though, So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was there's a lumpfish that lives off the coast

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<v Speaker 4>here that's really cute and bright orange, which in this

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00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, in our cal forest, that's kind of a

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00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 4>camouflage color. But yeah, this one lumpish caviar I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta look it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>If do you have any advice for someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>who is trying to be an chthyologist? Learn how spellet Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Learn has spell a number one? Yeah? Learn? Take a

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00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 4>lot of biology classes. You know, go take as much

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00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:44.920
<v Speaker 4>organism biology as you can and get out in the

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00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:46.840
<v Speaker 4>ocean as much as you can and swim and die.

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00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Learn to die. If you want to be a professional

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00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 4>marine biologist, learn how to dive. Get good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I have never been diving, but I have

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00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>someone who's listener who offered to take me diving.

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<v Speaker 4>It's amazing.

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00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, should I go?

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00:59:57.960 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you should totally go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's amazing. But if you need there's if

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01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.320
<v Speaker 4>you need to work, you know, doing it for work,

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01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 4>you gotta really like you study it, you gotta mean it. Yeah, yeah,

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01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 4>you gotta study it. But just but but it's wonderful.

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01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Definitely go diving.

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01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.519
<v Speaker 2>What do you hate about your job? What are you like?

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01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>This part sucks?

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01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Like what? I have an easy, easiest answer. Okay, malaria

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<v Speaker 3>in a word, malaria. I got malaria in the field

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<v Speaker 3>one time.

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<v Speaker 4>It sucked and in fact I didn't I had the

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01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.280
<v Speaker 4>kind of I caught its tropical malaria, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of malaria where it can go you get infected,

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01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.599
<v Speaker 4>it can go in your liver and hide. And so

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01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 4>I didn't actually know I had malaria until like ten

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01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.400
<v Speaker 4>months later. I'm like in my house reading a book,

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01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:45.840
<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden there was a spike in

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01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:47.880
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and four degree fever and like shaking, like

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01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 4>I was having a seizure. Horrible, no idea what was

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01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 4>going on. My husband spotted it right.

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01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Away, and did is he a scientist?

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01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? He he troubles. He's a marinebil just als, so

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01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 4>he studies snail, so he troubles with me. He was

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01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.800
<v Speaker 4>in field with me. Oh yeah, he's gone. We do

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01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 4>all our field work together. And I went to the

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01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 4>doctor and I tried to explain to them that I

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01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 4>had malaria. But you later in Los Angeles, they thought

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01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 4>it was crazy.

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01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:09.280
<v Speaker 2>What did they think it was?

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01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 4>They thought I was nuts. They thought I had the flu,

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01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 4>They thought I had maybe I had meningitis. And then

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01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.119
<v Speaker 4>you can to diagnose malaria, they have to take a

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01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:21.679
<v Speaker 4>blood sample while the parasite's active, while you're having the fever,

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01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 4>while you're having the shaking, and that happened at night.

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01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 4>I had to go to the emergency room. They didn't

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01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 4>believe me. They were like, you're insane. I said, please, please, please,

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01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.159
<v Speaker 4>just take a blood sample. Finally got them to take

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01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:33.800
<v Speaker 4>the blood sample, and then I just bounced because I

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01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 4>was pissed. And the next day, early in the morning,

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01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.360
<v Speaker 4>phone rings, it's County Health. So do they have to

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01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.360
<v Speaker 4>put you into registring? They wanted to know what the what.

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01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:47.239
<v Speaker 4>They wanted to know what I was doing turning up

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01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 4>in Los Angeles with the malaria. I said, I was

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01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.199
<v Speaker 4>in New Guinea, but it was ten months ago, eleven

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01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 4>months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you get just the shit bitten out of

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01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you when you were there?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's horrible. There's so much malaria in New Guinea.

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01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 4>And we had take and I was taking anti millarials,

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01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:03.679
<v Speaker 4>but I wasn't taking strong enough ones. There are some

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01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 4>really strong ones that also tend to cause psychosisops And yeah,

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01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.519
<v Speaker 4>you can't be being psychotic when you're diving. You'll get killed.

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01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.400
<v Speaker 4>You'll get you get killed, or you'll kill someone else.

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01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, Oh that's not a good pair. So

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01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.880
<v Speaker 4>I took a chance roll the dice loss ended up

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<v Speaker 4>with malaria.

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01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 2>There.

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01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 4>It is worst thing about my job.

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01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Malaria. Did you how long are you out with malaria?

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01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 4>Once you take the meds, it goes away right away.

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01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so you'd easy to treat. You don't get

1349
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 2>to like binge on a season of anything. Oh my god,

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01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 2>no god, all for the love of fish worth it.

1351
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 2>What do you love of your job? What's the best best, best, best, best.

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01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.039
<v Speaker 4>Best best best part? And there are so many. It

1353
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.079
<v Speaker 4>is a great job. It's just figuring these things out.

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01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.159
<v Speaker 4>I love learning about the fish. I love figuring out

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01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.679
<v Speaker 4>their evolution. I love figuring out how the evolution of

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01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:52.039
<v Speaker 4>fishes correspond to the evolution of the planet and through

1357
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 4>geologic time. I love the work I do popularizing science.

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01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 4>I love, you know, doing the Curiosity show on our

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01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 4>on our YouTube channel. I love posting all the behind

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01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.840
<v Speaker 4>the scenes stuff on Instagram. I love the people I

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01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:04.960
<v Speaker 4>work with. It's a blast.

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01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Where are you off to next?

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01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, next, I'm going to Actually I'm going to London,

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01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.480
<v Speaker 4>which is just for collections work, and then in the

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01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.119
<v Speaker 4>fallow be going back to Australia to work on some

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01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 4>of the Australian stream fishes that are there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, do you how long are you in

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01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Australia when you're when you're working the usually like a

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01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 2>month or two. Do you come back with an accent?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, No, Let's see what I come back with.

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01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.960
<v Speaker 4>I came back with an appreciation for frions and meat

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01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 4>pies and totally blase by kangaroos, blase about that whatever.

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01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 2>They're so meta everywhere. Yeah, what's free on a friand.

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01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 4>Is a kind of muffin. It's a little baked muffin.

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01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:39.679
<v Speaker 4>It's made out of almonds. It's really good.

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01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Why do we have them here?

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01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:46.400
<v Speaker 4>Get on me? Yeah, I don't know. Colokies show people

1378
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 4>pick this up. Freons they're so.

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01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Good, you guys, you guys, come on, why aren't we

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01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:58.000
<v Speaker 2>all eating freons. They're derived from French Financier cookies and

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01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>their almond meal and egg whites. But they're also kind

1382
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of like a muffin and they come in raspberry and lemon,

1383
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 2>and oftentimes they're gluten free, in case you live on

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01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the West Coast where gluten's illegal and bonus, I highly

1385
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.519
<v Speaker 2>suggest you look up recipes on YouTube because everyone making

1386
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 2>them has Australian accents and they say things like this

1387
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 2>recipes super easy to mike, so I'll give it a go.

1388
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.519
<v Speaker 2>And if you haven't tried making free on's before, we

1389
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.079
<v Speaker 2>should give it a go because it's so simple to do.

1390
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:27.599
<v Speaker 2>All right, that's my new mission. If I find myself

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01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 2>in a donut shop somewhere, I'll working. Yeah, which happens?

1392
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And how can people find you?

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01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.239
<v Speaker 4>You can? Well, I'm on our westside NHM dot org.

1394
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 4>I do a little behind the scenes show called the

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01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Curiosity Show, which is at NHM dot org slash Curiosity Show.

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01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:51.679
<v Speaker 4>I'm on Instagram and Twitter as thacfish thhackfish thackfish and yeah,

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01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:53.719
<v Speaker 4>come and come visit the museum, you know, come look

1398
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 4>at our exhibits, come look around, take it behind the

1399
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:56.960
<v Speaker 4>scenes store. Maybe I'll show you our collection.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, yeah, seriously, if anyone has it's like

1401
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.360
<v Speaker 2>a love of fish. I took a tour at the

1402
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 2>NHM and ended up volunteering here and like, I can't

1403
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 2>tell you, it was a life changer. So if there's

1404
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 2>a museum nearby, sign up to volunteer. It's one of

1405
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the best things I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's wonderful. Yes, I agree, completely, absolutely, come.

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01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.920
<v Speaker 2>On down, totally change my life. Thank you so much

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01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 2>for doing this.

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01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:23.320
<v Speaker 4>Oh you're so welcome. My pleasure, my pleasure at joy Yeah, Gobi's.

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01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Ugh, how obsessed with her? Are you right? I'm like

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01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.960
<v Speaker 2>fully so follow her on the platforms. Catch the Curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>Show on YouTube and to follow Ologies, We're at Ologies

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at Ali ward one L

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter Instagram. You can join the Ologies Facebook group

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01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 2>where we all talk about the episode. We share weird

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<v Speaker 2>links and gross pictures. It's a wonderful group of folks.

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01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.039
<v Speaker 2>No one in there is a clotwad which I love.

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01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.000
<v Speaker 2>To support Ologies. You can head two ologiesmirch dot com,

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01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.840
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01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:02.480
<v Speaker 2>a donation if you want at patreon dot com. Ologies. Also, honestly,

1421
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 2>just tweeting, instagramming, telling friends about the show helps it

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01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 2>grow so much. It's crazy to me to see the

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01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.039
<v Speaker 2>numbers go up every month. Do spread the word. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you as always to Steven Ray Morris for editing, Aaron

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01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Talbert and Hannah Lippo for running the Ologies Facebook group,

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01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Shannon Feltis and Bonnie Dutch for running Ologiesmerch dot com.

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01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Nick Thorburn wrote and performed the Ologies theme song. He's

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<v Speaker 2>in a band called Islands. It's a very good band.

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01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 2>You stuck it out through their credits. Thank you. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my secret of the week. Right now. I

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01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:41.760
<v Speaker 2>have a blanket over my head because this room is

1432
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.400
<v Speaker 2>really echoey, So I've been recording this entire thing with

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01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 2>just a full blanket over my head. And I can

1434
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 2>hear the people in the room next to me, and

1435
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I think one of them has a flu because she's

1436
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.599
<v Speaker 2>been coughing a lot and she stopped coughing, and I

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01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know if she just straight up died. And I

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01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.039
<v Speaker 2>also don't know if they can hear me, but I'm

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01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.800
<v Speaker 2>really nervous that they can. I'm also not wearing pants

1440
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.760
<v Speaker 2>because I just forgot to pack pajamas, so it was like,

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01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just no pants, so what. Also, I turn the

1442
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 2>heat up in hotels to like eighty degrees. I don't

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01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 2>really know why I do it. It's just it's so cozy,

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01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:23.199
<v Speaker 2>but I am sweating. Okay, thanks so much for listening. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>go out ask smart people all the dumb questions you want.

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<v Speaker 2>They love it, and do join us next week, where

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01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I will maybe be wearing pants. I'm not gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>any guarantees. Bye bye, pack adermatology, hombology, crypto zoology, lithology

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<v Speaker 2>and technology, meteorology, pathology, ethnology, zereology, elinology,