Speaker 1: Sarah Lace, adult film star, content creator, co host of
Speaker 1: the Burbank Misfits podcast, and my guest for the evening.
Speaker 1: You know exactly where you can find her at I
Speaker 1: Am Sarah Lace. Links to all of her social media
Speaker 1: and her website are in the episode description below. Please
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Speaker 1: otherwise they stop coming on the show. Sarah, it's a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on this evening.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Matt. Honestly, it
Speaker 2: has been a while since I have been a guest
Speaker 2: on a podcast. You know, usually I'm the one interviewing,
Speaker 2: But I are you excited for this?
Speaker 1: Number one complaint on my channel is, Matt, you asked
Speaker 1: a good question and then you followed it up with
Speaker 1: six more right next to each other, and she couldn't
Speaker 1: answer it. So it's good to have someone on who's
Speaker 1: a talker, who I can just ask a question. Just
Speaker 1: shut up, Matt, shut the fuck, don't say anything. Go
Speaker 1: let her talk, Sarah. Let me start with the super
Speaker 1: basic question. Okay, you're living in a vanilla life. At
Speaker 1: some point, normal boring you decide you need a change.
Speaker 1: How did you initially get into the adult entertainment industry
Speaker 1: and what field was it? Was it camming, stripping? Did
Speaker 1: you immediately go to start shooting for the big guys?
Speaker 1: Like where did you cross, not in a negative way,
Speaker 1: cross that line from the standard world into the industry.
Speaker 2: Funny enough, this actually is going to turn into a
Speaker 2: long story. Okay, the job I had before this, I
Speaker 2: was actually in the military. While I was in I
Speaker 2: was only doing photo shoots, usually bikini stuff some implied dude,
Speaker 2: but during that time it was never fully nude. But
Speaker 2: at some point my photos started going around and obviously
Speaker 2: people were enjoying it, but obviously that's not what they
Speaker 2: wanted for someone in the military. So we ended up
Speaker 2: parting ways and I kind of was like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: in a sense, I'm free, so let's do this. And
Speaker 2: I had a few friends who were models as well,
Speaker 2: and they, you know, they filmed some fetish stuff, some
Speaker 2: amateur scenes, and they kind of helped me get into
Speaker 2: that side of the industry. So I evolved from regular
Speaker 2: modeling to nude and then I actually started my very
Speaker 2: first scene. My friend I was supposed to go with
Speaker 2: her kind of just like as an escort because she
Speaker 2: was supposed to do like a bondage scene, some kind
Speaker 2: of some light BDSM floggy and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: she had bruises from a previous BDSM scene that she
Speaker 2: did a couple of days ago. But I was unbruised.
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything like that, and so they didn't
Speaker 2: want to call the scene then and there, and they
Speaker 2: kind of just looked at me and were like, Hey,
Speaker 2: the opportunity is here. Would you like to film some
Speaker 2: fetish stuff? And at that point it was non penetration,
Speaker 2: but it was still like just like a little teas
Speaker 2: or an appetizer to what the industry was. And I
Speaker 2: truly truly enjoyed myself. And so from there I was
Speaker 2: just like, you know what, let's do this, you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe I'll stirt off with some solos. And then
Speaker 2: I hopped onto like amateur scenes and stuff like that
Speaker 2: and really just evolved to who I am now.
Speaker 1: So let me ask, this is not something I knew.
Speaker 1: I've done so many of these interviews I've talked to,
Speaker 1: like some of the queens of like BDSM and this
Speaker 1: and that. You can't have And I guess it does
Speaker 1: make sense. The girl you came along with you can't
Speaker 1: have bruises going into that scene. Is that do you
Speaker 1: think that's part of like the allure of the porn?
Speaker 1: Like you have this quote unquote clean like no marks
Speaker 1: or anything girl, and then you're marking her during the scene.
Speaker 1: Or was it not like a marking scene?
Speaker 2: So that scene wasn't necessarily a marking scene, but for them,
Speaker 2: they were thinking more about the actual the health and
Speaker 2: wellness of the actress. Oh yeah, like you're going to
Speaker 2: have to be tied up for three more hours and
Speaker 2: you already have bruises, which means that you know, your
Speaker 2: blood is quatty and there's stuff going on in you
Speaker 2: bodies trying to heal already. We can't be damaging your
Speaker 2: body even more during this healing process.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy that my first thought was, what's going
Speaker 1: to fuck up production? Now, let's move on to the
Speaker 1: next girl. I am not a monster, but I immediately
Speaker 1: was in that business mindset. I get it. Being in
Speaker 1: that mindset, you're like, hey, we got to get the
Speaker 1: shit done. You know today. I want to bring that
Speaker 1: up later because I want to talk about doing your
Speaker 1: own content and what it was like, you know, to
Speaker 1: switch over or to try and step into that world.
Speaker 1: But so let me ask this. This question's on here
Speaker 1: and you kind of gave the job backstory, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. But my question is, did you have any
Speaker 1: jobs before you got into the industry and did you
Speaker 1: take any of those skills and translate them to the
Speaker 1: adult world. Now you were in the military, what did
Speaker 1: we get? Did we get like organization? Like are you
Speaker 1: able to you talk? See? This is what I do?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yes, I feel like I can definitely be
Speaker 2: hyper organized. I do think that sometimes that can be
Speaker 2: a fault because I will make so many lists and
Speaker 2: keep going and be like, Okay, for one day, I
Speaker 2: eat this list. Other days stuff like that. But one
Speaker 2: thing about me is I always try to do my
Speaker 2: research the best in my ability. So for example, we
Speaker 2: had this podcast, I actually have it on my schedule
Speaker 2: where our podcast is scheduled fifteen minutes earlier. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: so I always try to be fifteen minutes early two things,
Speaker 2: or for example, for this I use those ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes in order to set up my equipment and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's the military definitely has helped me with scheduling, organization, structure.
Speaker 1: Insurance chew oh endurance is what that is interesting now.
Speaker 1: I just put this theory in my head and I've
Speaker 1: never thought of this before, but I always I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: let me try and come up with something unique for porn.
Speaker 1: And my last idea wasn't great. It was like Airbnb porn.
Speaker 1: It was like a lot of stationary cameras kind of
Speaker 1: around the house and you play up a scenario. And
Speaker 1: then another girl was like, they do that shit already
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, all right, that's dumb. So
Speaker 1: what about porn star boot Camp? Have they done that yet?
Speaker 1: Or if you grab like girls who want to start
Speaker 1: only fans and we get them like a little bit
Speaker 1: more in shape, we get the endurance up. Nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with them, and there's all kinds of body types. I
Speaker 1: don't want to defend myself every time. I love everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone's good. But we're telling these girls up a little
Speaker 1: bit more. We teach them about structure, about waking up
Speaker 1: early quick, get on chatterbait quick, d you know like
Speaker 1: we do that. Is there anything like that? And can
Speaker 1: we turn this into content?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think that we have that just yet.
Speaker 2: I know that there are some kind of like reality
Speaker 2: style shows where they have people kind of like fake
Speaker 2: dating can get together or whatever. But I don't think
Speaker 2: we've done any kind of corn start boot camp. But
Speaker 2: what you were saying about endurance, though, is there's more
Speaker 2: than just physical endurance. There's mental endurance as well. So
Speaker 2: this boot camp would definitely be for all sizes if
Speaker 2: we do decide to do that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And
Speaker 1: all right now, if this is too personal, please would
Speaker 1: tell me to dial back because I've heard this before.
Speaker 1: Are you? And again, I'm not going to delve deeper.
Speaker 1: I just want to make a greater point. Are you
Speaker 1: what they refer to as a legacy military brad or
Speaker 1: were you the first one in the military. I only
Speaker 1: asked that because you have a ton of performers in
Speaker 1: this industry. Anna Fox is who I think of who
Speaker 1: is a military brat. I believe Alex Falks got out
Speaker 1: of the military. There's been a few that I've actually
Speaker 1: like talked to. Is there something in that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: First off, first question, did you grow up like a
Speaker 1: military bret moving around at all?
Speaker 2: Or No? I actually was not. I'm actually first generation citizens,
Speaker 2: So okay, in a sense, my generation is the first
Speaker 2: ones to kind of make something of themselves within the US.
Speaker 1: That's great, and that's I mean, that is the American dream,
Speaker 1: you know. Literally, however, whatever you can do to make
Speaker 1: your way through the world, like you know, whoever's going
Speaker 1: to judge you isn't paying your fucking bills, so fuck
Speaker 1: almost right, Okay, So then I wonder what it is
Speaker 1: I need to do a deeper dive into that. You'll
Speaker 1: be in my group, my test group of people who
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, former military, what caused you to decide
Speaker 1: to do this? Blah blah blah? All right, makes sense? Good.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it, military people, you're
Speaker 2: running all that, you're dealing with things that are a
Speaker 2: high energy, high adrenaline. Yeah, and if you think about
Speaker 2: the fight and flight responses, what happens after that is
Speaker 2: the want to reproduce. Actually, it's just that human instinct.
Speaker 2: So in a sense, like after the adrenaline's gone down
Speaker 2: from the day, you kind of just want to fuck.
Speaker 1: Smartest breakdown I've heard of that, Yeah, that makes total
Speaker 1: sense to me. I bet the horniest dudes in the
Speaker 1: world are like under sea welders. A guy who's just
Speaker 1: in an intense situation and he comes up and he's like,
Speaker 1: I got to throw it in something. Please right now? Uh,
Speaker 1: let me ask this. And again, I don't like to
Speaker 1: delve too deeply, even though my show it's called Going Deeper.
Speaker 1: But what type of girl were you growing up? Were
Speaker 1: you like a shy good girl or like could people
Speaker 1: kind of telescope this might be a career path for you, Like,
Speaker 1: oh god, there's that Sarah Lad's girl again.
Speaker 2: Funny enough, I was actually that shy, nerdy girl kind
Speaker 2: of like a do gooder. I mean, I still skirted
Speaker 2: around the rules to an extent, like I was doing
Speaker 2: other people's homework for them, like I was getting paid
Speaker 2: good in that side hustle. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, I didn't just let people freely cheat. I
Speaker 2: still try to also make sure that they knew what
Speaker 2: they were learning or like whatever I'm supposed to. Like,
Speaker 2: if I'm supposed to write an essay for them, I'm
Speaker 2: still gonna kind of like tutor them on what that
Speaker 2: essay is about. They understand it, and then I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna write the essay for them and they'll give me
Speaker 2: like twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: Nothing blows me away more than interviewing performers who it's
Speaker 1: just so funny because you have the outside perception of performers. Right,
Speaker 1: here's my ignorant, thumb caveman perception. Sarah Lace wakes up,
Speaker 1: she goes to set, she does her hair, she fucks
Speaker 1: a guy, she comes home, and then she gets paid
Speaker 1: millions of dollars and you go, well, that does sound
Speaker 1: like a pretty good job. But when you actually look
Speaker 1: at this, what's so funny to me is I asked
Speaker 1: that question because I want to hear if like, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: you had a lot of boyfriends, or oh you couldn't
Speaker 1: keep a relation. Your answer was, oh, I would ethically
Speaker 1: do people's homework for them as long as I can
Speaker 1: explain it to them as well. It's like, oh, all right,
Speaker 1: so how do we connect the dots to here? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it was I was in that shy bubble
Speaker 2: for so long that I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me just have my moment. Like, because I'm usually
Speaker 2: from Texas, and when I started, I was in California,
Speaker 2: so I was like, this is a whole new world. Sure,
Speaker 2: let's explore it. I'm an adult, I'm responsible, I know
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, and even my friend who took me
Speaker 2: to that first bud SM scene. She taught me all
Speaker 2: about like the rules for Kenson everything. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, what's a safe practice, Like there's paperwork and
Speaker 2: testing and so much involved. Let's do it, you know,
Speaker 2: let me let me try this in a safe manner
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you just described what sounds like a
Speaker 1: good set. Again, my idea was immediately like, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: get a new girl in here. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see those No, no, no, it was for her safety. That's
Speaker 1: a good set. Let me ask you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to ask you to name anyone specifically, but I
Speaker 1: assume you have also worked on bad sets in your career. Yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: What separates a good set from a bad set mostly
Speaker 1: like the most glaring thing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the simplest thing will be if they do not
Speaker 2: have a videographer wow, Or if their paperwork just kind
Speaker 2: of looks a little off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you have it.
Speaker 2: Like signed paperwork before, sometimes you will look at it
Speaker 2: and you'll be like, this looks like it's been photo
Speaker 2: copied like a million different times.
Speaker 1: You know, copy of a copy of a copy. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so just I mean, saying this line here sounds worse
Speaker 1: than it is, But creating the perception of professionalism is
Speaker 1: what should be right. Come to you with fresh paperwork,
Speaker 1: you know. The one complaint I heard from a girl
Speaker 1: the last interview I did, she said she showed up
Speaker 1: to a set and there was a dirty shower. She said,
Speaker 1: bare minimum, just make the shower clean. Someone clean out
Speaker 1: the shower because I'm going to want to wipe all
Speaker 1: this off afterwards, and I don't want to get in
Speaker 1: some grimy, shitty, you know shower. Have the facilities nice enough, right?
Speaker 2: That is true, That is definitely true. But there's certain
Speaker 2: things like that that are out of their control. You know,
Speaker 2: like sometimes they're given a location or the location they
Speaker 2: originally planned ends up not working, so they find something
Speaker 2: at the last minute, and you kind of just work
Speaker 2: with what you have. So I feel like sometimes you
Speaker 2: kind of like lower your expectations just so you're happy.
Speaker 2: But I feel like in general, there is something about like,
Speaker 2: as long as the set is safe, I'm fine filming
Speaker 2: whatever random role play we're about to do.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a there's some producer on a
Speaker 1: podcast right now going like Emphtex Kinko's was closed, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't make copies and I had to print out
Speaker 1: an extra one and Sarah hated it. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's okay, okay, all right, let's do a thing I
Speaker 1: like to call look.
Speaker 2: So my complaint for that though.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Paper was like this, yes, and this was what I
Speaker 2: worked with.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so they need even like size it properly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm already half lying. So I was like, I
Speaker 2: can barely read this. That was that was the complaint.
Speaker 2: It was say anything like too bad, But I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're just working with this. True, that's right, Paperworkugh.
Speaker 1: Sarah, I want to do a thing I call stat check.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. These numbers are entirely wrong. It
Speaker 1: is from the Internet Adult Film Database, which is kind
Speaker 1: of like the Internet Movie Database, but for adult films.
Speaker 1: Here's what they don't include. I don't know, like half
Speaker 1: the scenes you've shot, like none of the of stuff,
Speaker 1: like whatever. I'm just using it as a metric as
Speaker 1: at this date and time, these were the numbers of
Speaker 1: your career. And then a year from now when we
Speaker 1: check in and you're drowning in av and Awards. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Sarah, things really took off. Huh wasn't
Speaker 1: that wonderful? Sarah Lace. You have shot one hundred and
Speaker 1: eleven scenes. You have worked with twenty nine women, You've
Speaker 1: worked with fifty two men, been nominated for three AV Awards.
Speaker 1: I only stay AVN because all the others, I just
Speaker 1: it's too much of balance. You are you are, I believe,
Speaker 1: a nominee or a winner of an Urban X as well.
Speaker 2: Nominee.
Speaker 1: Okay, good enough, that's fair, just being recognized as good
Speaker 1: three noms, no AV and wins. Yet not yet, we're
Speaker 1: saving it. Say there you go. Does anything stand out
Speaker 1: to you? And maybe the answer is no. As your
Speaker 1: defining scene to this point, is there anything that fans
Speaker 1: most you know, commonly come up to you and be like,
Speaker 1: your shot on this thing was fucking aught? Da da da.
Speaker 2: I will say the one that probably changed the trajectory
Speaker 2: of my career was actually the my bang Bro scene
Speaker 2: was my first like truly professional scene. I was not
Speaker 2: e made, you know, cleaning up summer pipes, we'll go with.
Speaker 2: It was an anal scene which I had only filmed
Speaker 2: a couple of times before, so it was you know,
Speaker 2: it was definitely a big scene for me to do
Speaker 2: and it actually ended up being a top betner ad
Speaker 2: on the Hub.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that one definitely changed, like also how I
Speaker 2: performed as well?
Speaker 1: How did it change how you performed?
Speaker 2: Because I was actually able to be with like even
Speaker 2: more professional performers who you know, like they they filmed
Speaker 2: differently as opposed to at that time it was a
Speaker 2: little amateur me.
Speaker 1: Sure, Again, if it's too much to delve, you don't
Speaker 1: have to explain it. But how is it different? Is
Speaker 1: it just having more people on set, professional equipment or whatever.
Speaker 1: Is it them doing like sticking to a schedule versus
Speaker 1: like collaborations you would do, or maybe even a thing
Speaker 1: you're establishing yourself. How does it separate from that? It
Speaker 1: just everything is in the next level, honestly. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is definitely a big boost up. They don't have like
Speaker 1: a specific schedule, but they'll give you a call time
Speaker 1: and usually at that time you get in the makeup chair,
Speaker 1: you get your hair and your makeup done, and that
Speaker 1: they give you the script. Sometimes you'll get the script
Speaker 1: before or sometimes you'll just get it while you're in.
Speaker 2: The makeup chair. You get to read through it, you
Speaker 2: figure out what you're about to do, pick your outfits
Speaker 2: and stuff. Then we get to the pretty girls. We
Speaker 2: do that strip teas and everything, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the times there is a different photographer and a videographer
Speaker 2: just because they want to make sure that their crap
Speaker 2: is the best and they know what they're best at.
Speaker 2: So we'll have a photographer that will even give us
Speaker 2: tips and tricks on how to pose, and that will
Speaker 2: that'll keep helping us on with our you know, with
Speaker 2: our future scenes, and we get some time to interact
Speaker 2: with our coach ours kind of learned their likes and
Speaker 2: dislikes and stuff like that, and we get to make
Speaker 2: the scene the best that we can. And I think
Speaker 2: one of the big differences is also the kinds of
Speaker 2: questions that they ask you on set, and sometimes they
Speaker 2: will also have an assistant that's there just to make
Speaker 2: sure that you know that you're a safe on set,
Speaker 2: that you can call it at any time, like you
Speaker 2: can pull them to the side, and you don't have
Speaker 2: to say things to anyone else, but you can just
Speaker 2: leave if you're feeling unsafe. And though that's never happened
Speaker 2: to me, it's great having those extra steps.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have pictured that. That's again, I've been doing
Speaker 1: this a long time now, and it's just that sounds
Speaker 1: even more professional than the professionalism I knew that the
Speaker 1: bigger sites already had what was in your opinion? Have
Speaker 1: you ever shot a scene that was so intense you
Speaker 1: almost considered, well, not that it was bad or negative,
Speaker 1: just that it was intent.
Speaker 2: This late not really no, because one of my I
Speaker 2: kind of set my boundaries for work kind of lower
Speaker 2: than my personal boundaries because I don't really want to
Speaker 2: get myself Obviously, we all have to be vulnerable to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, but I only want to be a
Speaker 2: certain level of vulnerable on camera. Okay, all right, I
Speaker 2: don't do anything that's like two mentally difficult for me. Sure,
Speaker 2: Like I don't do any kind of degradation, you know,
Speaker 2: like face lapping stuff like that. So a lot of
Speaker 2: my experiences tend to actually work well with my praise chink,
Speaker 2: everyone's probably be a good girl and like stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, so even if we're doing dirty things, I
Speaker 2: still get that.
Speaker 1: Praise, how you know, all right, I'll just be totally
Speaker 1: straight and honest with you. I was like, I'm worried.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to walk the line with this one
Speaker 1: because Sarah Lacey is obviously gorgeous, but I'm nervous she's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough at shit and kind of like like
Speaker 1: if I ask a dumb question, she'll be like, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. You're a total sweetheart. It seems like
Speaker 1: it seems like, I don't know, don't piss her off?
Speaker 1: But you know, is that just your personality naturally? And
Speaker 1: is there a switch like if someone really pisses you
Speaker 1: off or you're going off?
Speaker 2: Yes, there is definitely a switch. Is very few people
Speaker 2: who have actually seen it. But usually my switch either
Speaker 2: comes due to a safety issue or a disrespect issue
Speaker 2: because I am very happy and bubbly and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you say the wrong thing about either my friends
Speaker 2: or myself. Woman has to pertain to our actual physical
Speaker 2: wellness or even just our mental health as well, Like
Speaker 2: I will not let that stand. Yeah, I okay. So
Speaker 2: for example, one time, there was a fan that was
Speaker 2: getting just a little too like gravy, not with me,
Speaker 2: but with a friend, and basically my friends and I
Speaker 2: were all noticing it, and we started to cluster around
Speaker 2: her and the the other person. The fan was still
Speaker 2: like very very persistent, and so that switch just kind
Speaker 2: of flipped when they kind of kept making comments and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hell no, you were not.
Speaker 3: About to do this, like like I will get you
Speaker 3: the fuck out, like and so they heard me go
Speaker 3: from bubbly to this like very serious face in a sense,
Speaker 3: it's like my military face.
Speaker 2: You know. I beat like very firm and everything like
Speaker 2: you're not going to push me, and that kind of
Speaker 2: scared everyone quiet. They all looked at me like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: well it's like, yeah, no, we're not letting this happen.
Speaker 1: Like that's was that was that at a convention.
Speaker 2: This was outside of an event, Okay, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 2: but basically that fan was trying to grab her and
Speaker 2: physically like pull her away from our group.
Speaker 1: That's kidnapping Bud.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, this is not happening on my watch.
Speaker 1: Funny. I just had a conversation with another performer about conventions.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do any of the convention? The only
Speaker 1: one I go to I live in Jersey, so I
Speaker 1: go to Exotica, Jersey and that's just to like meet
Speaker 1: the people I've interviewed. Do you go to them? Do
Speaker 1: you do them and do you like them?
Speaker 2: I usually actually do about four to five conventions a year.
Speaker 2: Oh I. They start with ABM or X three and
Speaker 2: then I always go to Exotica Chicago, Miami sometimes, and
Speaker 2: then Jersey for sure, and then.
Speaker 1: DC sometimes okay, all right.
Speaker 2: And then of course there's ex Is Miami which sometimes.
Speaker 1: Sure. I we all appreciated as fans of all the
Speaker 1: performers work. We love it. What do performers get out
Speaker 1: of doing that? Is it a great promotional tool for
Speaker 1: you guys? Is it a networking tool? Like you get
Speaker 1: to meet other people to collab with other producers? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like the best thing about it is
Speaker 2: the networking. And at the end of the day, we
Speaker 2: do love meeting our fans, sure, you know, because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, they're seeing this two D
Speaker 2: version of us. They're only seeing what we what we
Speaker 2: get to them, you know, but it gets to come
Speaker 2: in to the expo for three days and they get
Speaker 2: to see us just hanging around with friends, like kind
Speaker 2: of goofing off and doing our thing. You know.
Speaker 1: Sure you will.
Speaker 2: Randomly find us like making.
Speaker 1: Out or tworking, like just just to any listeners though,
Speaker 1: show up respectful. That's all we have to do. Just
Speaker 1: be respectful. You're gonna see some cool shit. Some girl
Speaker 1: will probably be like, hey, put your hand on my
Speaker 1: ass for this picture, but don't just do it without
Speaker 1: like asking or being told you're allowed to. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: not what we want. No kidnappings, right.
Speaker 2: I usually try to do a post before every expo
Speaker 2: because I feel like there's always something, you know, like
Speaker 2: I always have to tell them, like, hey, if you
Speaker 2: see someone you like, go and introduce yourself first, tell
Speaker 2: them your name. Okay. I have to kind of boil
Speaker 2: it down to that because I'm like, sometimes people don't
Speaker 2: even come up and say hi, like they'll just go
Speaker 2: and take a picture. They'll walk up and try to
Speaker 2: grab it, try to hug, and you're just like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: so you hi first?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah I did that to Joanna angel. I didn't
Speaker 1: touch her or anything, but I had a business card
Speaker 1: and we were at Exotica, and it was when I
Speaker 1: was first starting the show, and I wanted I was
Speaker 1: gonna go up and go, you know, hi, Joanna, it's
Speaker 1: really nice to meet you. My name is Matt. I
Speaker 1: wanted to know if I could possibly get you in
Speaker 1: the show. Here's my business card, I'd love to reach out.
Speaker 1: Da da da. And as I walk up to her, like,
Speaker 1: some thing happened in the background and some security went over,
Speaker 1: and then she looks at me, and I just walk
Speaker 1: up and I go, here's my card. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck just happened. But I
Speaker 1: didn't touch her, So that's a win. I guess that's see,
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's that's okay. Like, I'm sure she could
Speaker 1: obviously tell that you were shy and flustered. Do we
Speaker 1: completely understand that, because at least you are still respectful
Speaker 1: and everything. Sure? Yeah, yeah, shy and flustered, stupid and
Speaker 1: moronic either way however you want to put it. I
Speaker 1: was definitely one of those, for sure.
Speaker 2: Come up and try to put your arm over his
Speaker 2: shoulder to take a quick pick without even saying hi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no no. I don't touch anyone at
Speaker 1: those except for the New Jersey last year. By the way, Exotica,
Speaker 1: you were getting your money's worth in New Jersey because
Speaker 1: last year I couldn't fucking move. I couldn't everyone was
Speaker 1: so tight, it was so packed yeah, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Those are a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad performers get to come out and do
Speaker 1: them if they want to. You know, you couldn't pay
Speaker 1: me to go out there and shake people's hands. Nice
Speaker 1: to meet you.
Speaker 2: I'm just too Oh gosh, I'm I'm the expo flu.
Speaker 1: Oh what now?
Speaker 2: What is that? That sounds dangerous? I call it the
Speaker 2: AVN flu? Really, But usually after any conventions, especially if
Speaker 2: you're shaking a lot of hands, grabbing a lot of
Speaker 2: business cards, and maybe even leaching out with people, you
Speaker 2: know we do, there's so much contact, the different germs
Speaker 2: and stuff, like your immune systems just trying to fight
Speaker 2: it all, and a lot of people end up with
Speaker 2: like a cold or flu kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Outside perception again, the ignorant outside perception. Wouldn't you be
Speaker 1: blown away if I told you a porn set is
Speaker 1: so much cleaner and less viruses than the convention center
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Well, in New Jersey. You throw that
Speaker 1: in there and people start understanding why the viruses have
Speaker 1: popped up? That makes sense? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I usually have like buy a brand new bottle
Speaker 2: of sanitizer to bring to every expo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you gotten sick from it? Have you caught
Speaker 1: the ABM flu expo flu?
Speaker 2: I guess, like from the expo flu about two to
Speaker 2: three times a year. I feel like it's every other one,
Speaker 2: you know. Especially it's like the bigger ones is when
Speaker 2: I tend to get sick more just because there's more people.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I'm built up my immune system
Speaker 2: over the gears, so lately only like twice a year.
Speaker 1: Really, I have on one of the hottest girls in
Speaker 1: the world, a performer who does amazing things. My next
Speaker 1: question to you, is you ever take a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of zinc before you do that, because maybe you won't
Speaker 1: get us sick. I'm like, I'm like, let's come up
Speaker 1: with a mute. I had on Kubby Thompson, who's just
Speaker 1: an amazingly beautiful girl, and I asked her about what
Speaker 1: it's like selling her calendars and how much in advance
Speaker 1: she has to order things. I'm an idiot, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the same.
Speaker 2: So one of the ways I try to combat that
Speaker 2: is I do have my multi vitamins that I take
Speaker 2: every day in general, and then when I'm traveling especially,
Speaker 2: I'll bring p D Light packet instead of buying the
Speaker 2: actual Plight bottles. You just buy the packets and just
Speaker 2: kind of fill them into a regular water bottle. Okay,
Speaker 2: they hydrated, especially if you're like on the West Coast
Speaker 2: where it's basically the desert, you have to hydrate more
Speaker 2: if you're not used to that. And then I try
Speaker 2: to get the vitamins eas to just kind of give
Speaker 2: me that extra boost. But I'll be honest, like I
Speaker 2: feel like I usually forget about the vitamin c's and
Speaker 2: I just stick to my vitamins and hydrate in.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go, Sarah, let me talk
Speaker 1: about your content and what you like to make and
Speaker 1: what you create. All right, So if I were to
Speaker 1: head over to your of, which is obviously I am
Speaker 1: Sarah Lace, please make sure Okay, Bare Minimum. I always
Speaker 1: say this, social media is free. You have to follow
Speaker 1: the folks that come on the show Bare Minimum. You
Speaker 1: have no money, you're broke, you're homeless, but you have
Speaker 1: a phone and you listen to podcasts. Follow these folks.
Speaker 1: Next step sign up for their websites or their of
Speaker 1: You have to you support them, you like their content.
Speaker 1: You enjoyed listening to Sarah talk today, go pay for
Speaker 1: that stuff. So if I go to your of and
Speaker 1: I which is again I am Sarah lace links in
Speaker 1: the episode description, what kind of content am I seeing?
Speaker 1: Is it a weekly update, is it a daily picture?
Speaker 1: Is it a monthly big video? Or are their pay
Speaker 1: per views or they're not pay per views? Talk me through,
Speaker 1: give me the experience of Sarah laces Away, sure.
Speaker 2: I think. So I will give you two things. I
Speaker 2: will give you my attempted schedule, and then I'll give
Speaker 2: you what actually happens, because you know, we all try
Speaker 2: to balance this out. So I do try to post
Speaker 2: every single day, and I have like kind of a
Speaker 2: set list of things that I like to post on
Speaker 2: each day, but on general I kind of post at
Speaker 2: least three to four times a week, all right, especially
Speaker 2: I would say Sundays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Okay, So Wednesdays
Speaker 2: there's usually at least a five minute video that goes
Speaker 2: straight onto the feed, and then Fridays I like to
Speaker 2: do fetish content lynn, so you'll get different types of
Speaker 2: fetish teasers on Friday on my feet, and then I
Speaker 2: will put the full version of it as a pay
Speaker 2: per view, and then I kind of like to do
Speaker 2: like a little five minute version of it for the feet,
Speaker 2: just in case you want like an extended teaser.
Speaker 1: So fetish Fridays, which is cute obviously, What are some
Speaker 1: of your favorite fetishes? And then I'm gonna ask the
Speaker 1: inverse of that afterwards, just so you're aware, But what
Speaker 1: are some of your favorite fetishes? To create? Put together
Speaker 1: stuff that either you like creatively or it really turns
Speaker 1: you on too, so fuck it, you might as well
Speaker 1: throw it on film.
Speaker 2: So one of the one of the big things that
Speaker 2: I do, I honest, I'll be honest, this is more
Speaker 2: because it's easy. Okay, A lot of foot fetish stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, that just kind of takes less energy to do.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm able to film more of that,
Speaker 2: and then I do like to do I have. I
Speaker 2: feel like I have a lot of fans that have
Speaker 2: I guess you can call it like an oil or
Speaker 2: lotion fetish, So I kind of have them worship either
Speaker 2: my ass or my full body and I'll just pour
Speaker 2: lotion on me and I kind of water it down
Speaker 2: so it really drips down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I'm signing up. I'm a fan of that too. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the oil that works. It works for me.
Speaker 1: Shininess always works for me. What is the number one
Speaker 1: request that when you see it in your inbox? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Do you do custom videos?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 1: Let me ask that. Okay, what is the number one
Speaker 1: request that you go, well, absolutely fucking not and you
Speaker 1: delete it? Is there any or are you willing to
Speaker 1: take on any task?
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten too many like crazy requests lately, but obviously,
Speaker 2: like well obviously, but I tend to get like pe
Speaker 2: requests and stuff like that which I will just not
Speaker 2: accept and mind you, on the of terms of service,
Speaker 2: they don't even accept that. So the guys are there
Speaker 2: trying to ask me for this, and they're trying to
Speaker 2: write in like little keywords and try to say it
Speaker 2: without saying it. I'm like, look, just no.
Speaker 1: Like no, thank you, hike. I've heard stuff in the
Speaker 1: past that girls will get their accounts suspended or lost
Speaker 1: or whatever on a fort something someone else is commenting,
Speaker 1: so I'm comment, Hey, Sarah, do you ever do piss
Speaker 1: escort stuff? Like is that going to get you booted?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That can get me flagged.
Speaker 1: That's fucked up. That's really fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's why sometimes like we may not want
Speaker 2: to do it because we're like, okay, you may just
Speaker 2: not know. But that's why sometimes we will flag them
Speaker 2: just so it shows like, oh, we're not accepting that.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to flag them so the system
Speaker 2: doesn't flag us for accepting it by default.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't lose your livelihood over someone else's request,
Speaker 1: you know, or you shouldn't like they should be able to.
Speaker 1: It's really ridiculous that a tech company in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five can't look at it and be like, oh, her
Speaker 1: response was to block him. She clearly wants to do
Speaker 1: this against our turn. What are you.
Speaker 2: Talking about exactly? So that's why we try to either
Speaker 2: report or block. We're like okay, Like usually we'll give
Speaker 2: them a warning and I have this like screenshot that
Speaker 2: I'll just send to them, like here, this is where
Speaker 2: it says that it's against the terms of service. It's
Speaker 2: not because of me, but also because I don't want
Speaker 2: to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh. Thanks, So let me ask has anyone been and
Speaker 1: maybe this actually surprised me too in these interviews, it's
Speaker 1: not as common as I would have thought. Did you
Speaker 1: have any mentors in this industry? Anyone who kind of
Speaker 1: showed you the ropes, anyone who walked it through it,
Speaker 1: or did you learn it all yourself.
Speaker 2: I will say that I may not necessarily have mentors,
Speaker 2: but I feel like all of my peers kind of
Speaker 2: mentor me in a sense because we go to these
Speaker 2: any of these events and we'll sit there will actually
Speaker 2: like well, either chit chat or we'll talk about work
Speaker 2: and like exchange numbers and start asking each other questions like, hey,
Speaker 2: how did you do this? Or I'm having trouble with this?
Speaker 2: How did you respond to that? Or how do you
Speaker 2: say no to this kind of question? Things like that.
Speaker 2: We all kind of just ask each other and kind
Speaker 2: of build each other up that way.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So in terms of shooting big scenes,
Speaker 1: like mainstream stuff, and is there anything you want to
Speaker 1: dive your teeth teeth I said teeth teeth into in
Speaker 1: terms of like a type or a fed or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Is there anything you don't feel like you've
Speaker 1: gotten your fill of yet? And it could be something
Speaker 1: as basic as you want to do more talking parts,
Speaker 1: you want to do more I don't know, you can
Speaker 1: go the other way with it and go gang bangs.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is is there anything where you're like, I
Speaker 1: want to do more of this. I wish I would
Speaker 1: get more calls for this type of scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I love storylines, I love playing scenarios, being
Speaker 2: another character and kind of just role playing that the
Speaker 2: entire way. So I would say that that is kind
Speaker 2: of what I like to keep doing. I kind of
Speaker 2: describe myself as that girl next door. So sometimes when
Speaker 2: they throw me into these role play scenarios and I
Speaker 2: have to be someone completely opposite, it's actually really really
Speaker 2: fun because I'm like, oh, okay, there is being a
Speaker 2: mean girl today.
Speaker 1: Are there any trends or common things that you want
Speaker 1: to go away in the industry, meaning you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't do that type of thing normally. I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: It's very popular right now. I don't want that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'll be honest. I feel like everyone
Speaker 2: is fulfilling like a different niche that the fans are
Speaker 2: looking for. I will say probably the only thing that
Speaker 2: I don't really like so much is the weirder viral content,
Speaker 2: you know, the ones where they kind of overdo it
Speaker 2: just for the views, and you're like, you don't.
Speaker 1: Have to go that far, Like what, what do you
Speaker 1: mean by that, are we talking about like the big
Speaker 1: of show type things that people have been doing over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Like the girl who fucked like a thousand guys what
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and then wanted to do like some
Speaker 2: box thing. Essentially, she wanted to be in a box
Speaker 2: or in a cage and have I think she said,
Speaker 2: two thousand men or whatever have their way with her
Speaker 2: while she's like blindfolded, and like, I don't know. Stuff
Speaker 2: like that is like, okay, first of all, that is
Speaker 2: a safety risk at this point, like you're not even
Speaker 2: thinking about your own well being for this.
Speaker 1: Like and you might step out from that and say, well,
Speaker 1: it's her choice letter do whatever, but it creates an
Speaker 1: impression of your industry where now you are. It's almost
Speaker 1: like if a baseball player, a big famous baseball player,
Speaker 1: hugged every person that came up to him. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'll hug everyone. That's kind of my thing. And then
Speaker 1: I'm a different baseball player and someone comes up to
Speaker 1: me and goes give me hugs, and I go, I
Speaker 1: don't fucking know you. I don't know you, man. So
Speaker 1: it kind of creates an environment where it's like we're
Speaker 1: going back to a early two thousands kind of no
Speaker 1: holds barred type of thing. Now I did grow up
Speaker 1: in that era. I did like that type of stuff
Speaker 1: at the time, but now that I'm a little bit older,
Speaker 1: I see the gimmick of things and go, oh, this
Speaker 1: is kind of probably destructive.
Speaker 2: Yeah great because at the end of the day, but
Speaker 2: people tend to or want you free. You get is
Speaker 2: that most of these scenes are staged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like it's wrestling.
Speaker 2: He has safe words, we have like extra people on
Speaker 2: set and everything like stuff like that, And I feel
Speaker 2: like she's disregarding that it and we are very very
Speaker 2: big honest safety and testing as well and consent like
Speaker 2: Big three.
Speaker 1: Is that the it did? I just come up with
Speaker 1: the analogy. Porn's a lot like wrestling, where guys get
Speaker 1: slapped in wrestling and it doesn't not hurt, like if
Speaker 1: you're getting fucked, like you're gonna feel it. You're getting
Speaker 1: funcked today, But it was all pre planned beforehand. At
Speaker 1: the end of it, even if this guy was like
Speaker 1: dominating you whatever, he'd be like, all right, good great
Speaker 1: job today, Sarah, I'll see you later da. So it
Speaker 1: is fun, but we also have to live in that world,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't walk up to John Cena and punch him
Speaker 1: in the chest like, nah, that guy might lay you
Speaker 1: the fuck out, so exactly. Yeah, it's still entertainment. Then
Speaker 1: it's the best thing to say.
Speaker 2: Um, do people have believed the scenarios that I've played
Speaker 2: in sure, like these cheating wife, cheating girlfriend, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Like I've had people come up to me and be like, Wow,
Speaker 2: how could you cheat on your boyfriend like that? This
Speaker 2: this not a great man like And I was like, ooh,
Speaker 2: first of all, that wasn't even my boyfriend, Like he
Speaker 2: was just an extra.
Speaker 1: Look, it's all about the fans, and we love the
Speaker 1: fans and they're so great. Now, if we could please
Speaker 1: stop sending my Twitter fucking private dms thinking I'm the girl,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get three messages after this saying Hi Sarah,
Speaker 1: I just want to go can you we love you fans?
Speaker 1: We do. Can you fucking read?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Maybe if you check that out, you see I'm not her?
Speaker 1: Oh uh, where does the career go from? Actually no,
Speaker 1: let me end on that question. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, and this is this is not a question
Speaker 1: I should ask in any way whatsoever? Uh, and I'm going.
Speaker 2: To I want to see more now.
Speaker 1: Well see, but it's odd. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I can relate, and I want to because I've had
Speaker 1: these conversations before. But you're from Honduras, right, ye? Okay?
Speaker 1: Where you are? Your dead is your national what is it?
Speaker 1: What do you say? See? I don't know how to
Speaker 1: touch on race. I'm such a pale, white loser, Like
Speaker 1: what do I say? Like you're from Texas, you said,
Speaker 1: but your nationality is is hundering? Okay?
Speaker 2: All right? All right, so my parents are from there?
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay? All right? Well then I have two questions. One,
Speaker 1: how do you feel when the industry will mislabel people?
Speaker 1: Because I've seen you as Ebony porn star Sarah Lace
Speaker 1: like fucking fifty times. Yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: It's honestly, it can be pretty funny, sure, Like honestly,
Speaker 2: for me, I kind of worry, like, does this mean
Speaker 2: that I'm taking a job away from someone who's Ebony
Speaker 2: or is this just like post production where they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, well we need ten tags, let's start some
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: So that I feel like that's kind of where my
Speaker 2: question usually lies. But I in a sense I kind
Speaker 2: of am Afro Latina ye, so like I do have
Speaker 2: a great grandpa that is black, Okay, so I will say,
Speaker 2: like there is that connection regardless, I just feel like
Speaker 2: ebony really just means dark skin, and I'm nowhere close
Speaker 2: to her, so like, I don't know, put me wherever you.
Speaker 1: Want to put coach. Last question I shouldn't ask, and
Speaker 1: then we're going to wrap this one up. But what
Speaker 1: is the biggest change that you think needs to happen
Speaker 1: to accommodate women of color in the industry? Is there
Speaker 1: anything I spoke to Lily Starfire, who's a total sweetheart.
Speaker 1: She had one I had no idea. She goes, I
Speaker 1: wish makeup artists knew how to work on black girls,
Speaker 1: and I was like, makes total sense. You don't want
Speaker 1: to look like a clown going out there. I get it.
Speaker 1: Is that? Would you agree? Or is there anything else?
Speaker 2: You absolutely actually like? That is actually what I was
Speaker 2: going to say as well, because I've been on set
Speaker 2: where they did not have my color, but I usually have,
Speaker 2: Like I usually will bring my own makeup bag one
Speaker 2: because prior military always prepared. Even if you don't need it,
Speaker 2: it's better to have it, but like I always bring everything,
Speaker 2: especially my foundation, because there's been times where they've kind
Speaker 2: of switched things up on me. One time they were like,
Speaker 2: oh uh, the makeup art is canceled at the last minute.
Speaker 2: Can you do your makeup? So luckily I had it
Speaker 2: with me. Sure, And then other times they just will
Speaker 2: not have my like my foundation. Either they don't carry
Speaker 2: the dark shades or they just don't carry as many
Speaker 2: shades to be able to comedy for people.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, sometimes we'll.
Speaker 2: Have like less than twenty foundations and you're just like, okay,
Speaker 2: you have that many. You need to have a variety
Speaker 2: and not just all of the lighter shades.
Speaker 1: This is a real ignorant question, but is there like
Speaker 1: a woman in the industry who's known as like the
Speaker 1: one who can get a darker complexion? Right, Not that
Speaker 1: you have to call her out, but is there someone like, oh,
Speaker 1: bring Jane in. Jane will really be able to nail
Speaker 1: this or now I will.
Speaker 2: Say there's not one specific one, but I can give
Speaker 2: you my favorite one from each big city. So for
Speaker 2: La we have Connie. I feel like everyone knows Connie,
Speaker 2: and then in Vegas we have Ellie, and then in Miami,
Speaker 2: we have.
Speaker 1: Natalie shout out, ladies, you're doing a great job, especially
Speaker 1: with darker complexions, and we appreciate it very much. So, uh, Sarah,
Speaker 1: where's the career go from here? Are you going to
Speaker 1: do this two more years and decide you don't want
Speaker 1: to do it anymore? Are you going to make ten
Speaker 1: million dollars and tap out? Are we going to be
Speaker 1: doing guilt porn fifty years from now? Like? What is?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: By the way, I interviewed Dede White the other day,
Speaker 1: Saekah Black, Yo, I'm not going to live as long
Speaker 1: as she is doing gang bangs like she's seventy one?
Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself in this career? Where is
Speaker 1: the end? If there is an end?
Speaker 2: So in my head, I have a very big evolution
Speaker 2: process to go. So currently I am a performer and
Speaker 2: I do want to be a bit more of a producer.
Speaker 2: I kind of do produce my own scenes at the moment,
Speaker 2: but I want to actually be on a set. And
Speaker 2: on top of that, I actually have a very big
Speaker 2: dream of writing romance novels.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Interesting, like my true dream is full like by I
Speaker 2: have seven hundred page romance novels, but I think I
Speaker 2: kind of want to start with short one hundred to
Speaker 2: two hundred page like smut and turn that into scenes
Speaker 2: splash movies.
Speaker 1: I love that. I would even pivot further if you
Speaker 1: feel that you can't make the scenes in the movies
Speaker 1: and the quality you would want. I wonder if there's
Speaker 1: a podcast where you could do chapters and you could
Speaker 1: really highly produce it and almost like an audio play
Speaker 1: type of thing, because because no offense, but most likely
Speaker 1: your target is going to be women there, right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because guys can't read essentially, yeah, but your target is
Speaker 1: going to be women there, right. So I think about
Speaker 1: who really loves ASMR and who really loves the TikTok
Speaker 1: sounds and this and that, and if you could maybe
Speaker 1: bring you got a winner there? Maybe you got a winner.
Speaker 2: I can do that because one of the things that
Speaker 2: I like to do is bring entertainment to everyone. Sure,
Speaker 2: you know, men, women, non binary like and especially couples.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you know, like.
Speaker 2: I want I want someone to be able to read
Speaker 2: my book or watch my porn and be like, babe,
Speaker 2: look at this. Can we recreate this? Like stuff like that?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love it. No, no, I was smiling because that's
Speaker 1: the clip I think for the week. It was so
Speaker 1: it was so good. Uh, Sarah Lace, my guest for
Speaker 1: the evening. You know exactly where you can find her.
Speaker 1: I am Sarah Lace links to everything, including the social media,
Speaker 1: the website, and the of or in the episode description, Sarah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I enjoyed going deeper.