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Speaker 2: know the question. For tonight's talk back. I had a
Speaker 2: story about the former inmates of San Quentin going back
Speaker 2: to play an alumni game on their Field of Dreams,
Speaker 2: which is the baseball field inside the prison, and so
Speaker 2: it's former inmates versus current inmates. Current inmates won big lee. Incidentally,
Speaker 2: what is someplace that you would never go back to visit?
Speaker 2: Because if I got out of Saint Quentin, I would
Speaker 2: never even want to drive by the place, and if
Speaker 2: I did, I go nightmares in there. That's it. I
Speaker 2: just never want to go back. Curious about what where
Speaker 2: it is that you've spent time that you would never
Speaker 2: want to go back to again.
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Chris listens to hear the other him a, California.
Speaker 3: The one place I would not go back to the
Speaker 3: heating village time share presentation. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 3: I said they were giving away like three days, four nights.
Speaker 3: But it felt like I was a hostage and it
Speaker 3: was very hostile. I do not advise that for anyone.
Speaker 3: The worst the one place a time share presentation. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, thinking about it now is give me exact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. My wife's dragged me to a couple
Speaker 2: of those because she's like, oh, they're gonna pay for
Speaker 2: you know. We had two nights at this dump of
Speaker 2: a hotel in Branson, Missouri. Oh, we did it there.
Speaker 2: And then when we first got married actually was here.
Speaker 2: We sat through one of those timeshare presentations because they
Speaker 2: give us tickets to I think Universal Studios or something.
Speaker 2: We were living in northern Arizona at the time, and
Speaker 2: they said, so we had to sit through that, and
Speaker 2: they said, oh, should only take about two hours. You know,
Speaker 2: when it only takes two hours, You know, when the
Speaker 2: presentation only takes two hours is when you when you
Speaker 2: sign up for a time share right away. In both cases,
Speaker 2: we were stuck there for four hours. We were the
Speaker 2: last to leave. And he's right, you feel like a hostage.
Speaker 2: Oh it's the worst. I'm with you. One hundred percent,
Speaker 2: and finally after the last one, my wife is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: We're never going to do that again. It's not worth it.
Speaker 2: I go, was that worth the two hundred dollars that
Speaker 2: we just save? She goes, no, it was not.
Speaker 4: Hey, Chris, someplace I'd never go back to visit probably
Speaker 4: send you Comic Con that place. I mean, it's it's great,
Speaker 4: but after going for you know, so many years, the
Speaker 4: pandemic stopped me and I think I'm done with that place.
Speaker 2: Too crazy. It is crazy. Yeah, you've been to comic Con, Kayla, No, No,
Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy. When you like, you have to be
Speaker 2: in that mood, the same mood you have to be
Speaker 2: in when you go. I'm going to go deal with
Speaker 2: the crazy amount of people at for instance, Universal Studios,
Speaker 2: which they that we went, which was part of our honeymoon.
Speaker 2: It rained like torrents and it was wonderful. Oh so
Speaker 2: few people there. I mean it was buckets. We're riding
Speaker 2: roller coasters in the rain. It was so great. I
Speaker 2: loved it so much. But Comic Con is it's just
Speaker 2: a madhouse. It's like going to Disney on a popular day.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a madhouse. And you're standing out,
Speaker 2: you're standing outside and you're in line, and uh, it's hot,
Speaker 2: la beautiful setting. You didn't get a better setting than
Speaker 2: the convention center in San Diego. But yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: You just have to be all in for it. If
Speaker 2: you're not all in for Comic Con, it's no good. Uh,
Speaker 2: all right, did you want to do this other one?
Speaker 2: We had one guy that had thoughts on trans athletes.
Speaker 2: We were talking about the trans athletes earlier. For those
Speaker 2: of you joining us, I just don't like the parents
Speaker 2: are screaming at kids. I don't. I don't care for
Speaker 2: it at all. And then we have people that are
Speaker 2: justifying parents screaming at sixteen year olds. Well they deserved it.
Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do? I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: freedom of speech, but you also have freedom to not be,
Speaker 2: you know, an adult acting like a child. Process your emotions.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's find the words. Probably not scream at children.
Speaker 2: Drums on again, off oup, hang on, wrong one, hang on.
Speaker 5: If I had a daughter, I would suggest that she
Speaker 5: boycott these competitions where there's transgenders. I mean, it's a
Speaker 5: no win for these young women that can't compete with
Speaker 5: the genetics of a boy. I mean, you can put
Speaker 5: lipstick on the boy, but it's not a girl. So
Speaker 5: just saying it's not gonna work, huh. And this is
Speaker 5: gonna end up tragically down the road.
Speaker 2: I think it is. I'm afraid it is gonna end
Speaker 2: up tragically down the road. And I don't think that's
Speaker 2: because you have trans athletes. I think it's because you
Speaker 2: have people bullying. And as far as it's a no win, well,
Speaker 2: the trans girl that competed did get gold in one
Speaker 2: event and shared that gold with two other girls and
Speaker 2: got silver in the in the long jump event, So
Speaker 2: you can't really say it's a no win when she
Speaker 2: didn't beat them all. So I don't know, man, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't deprive my daughter of the opportunity to go
Speaker 2: win at the state track and field because of my
Speaker 2: own political leanings. I just wouldn't do it. I wouldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you do what you want, it's your kid,
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't deprive my kid. How about this? Did
Speaker 2: you happen to see that there was a story. I'm
Speaker 2: shifting gears here. I don't want to talk about it anymore.
Speaker 2: Did you have to see the story about Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: They say that he was doing drugs during the campaign.
Speaker 2: What New York Times with a mind bending article as
Speaker 2: Elon must became one of Donald Trump's closest allies last year,
Speaker 2: leading raucus rallies and donating two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: million to help him win the presidency. He was also
Speaker 2: using drugs far more intensely than previously known. According to
Speaker 2: people familiar with his activities, The consumption went well beyond
Speaker 2: occasional use. He told people he was taking so much
Speaker 2: ketamine that it was affecting his bladder, which is a
Speaker 2: known effect of chronic use. He took ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms,
Speaker 2: and he traveled with a daily medication box that held
Speaker 2: about twenty pills, including ones with the markings of the
Speaker 2: stimulant adderall according to a photo of the box and
Speaker 2: people who have seen it. I don't know about you, guys,
Speaker 2: I am stunned. I'm shocked that the guy who would
Speaker 2: wear a hat on top of the hat and get
Speaker 2: on stage and jump and scream and carry on the
Speaker 2: way that he did would have any history of drug use.
Speaker 2: That seemed like perfectly normal behavior to me. So I
Speaker 2: just that is uh, that is wild that he was
Speaker 2: using a lot of drugs. I assume we're all on drugs.
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't there a point where you see people
Speaker 2: and you go, okay, well there's some drug use going
Speaker 2: on there, and he's admitted to it. Before I'd do
Speaker 2: profen always you can just oh yeah, right, yeah, I know, right, Like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's a fun drug I just started this week, saw Palmetto. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to help with prostate function. So I also
Speaker 2: carry around a little pill box with about twenty pills
Speaker 2: a day. Yeah, saw Palmetto. I've got my multi vitamin,
Speaker 2: I've got my blood pressure medication I got Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm like Elon Musk minus the ketamine and
Speaker 2: adderall and the jumping on stage with a chainsaw. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but otherwise exactly the same. The thing with Musk, though,
Speaker 2: is that when he did all that stuff, we didn't
Speaker 2: immediately go what is he on? Because he's an eccentric
Speaker 2: person to start with, you know, so it's like, well,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is being crazy, but that's what makes him
Speaker 2: a genius, and you go, nam Musk, Elon Musk is
Speaker 2: an eccentric, and he's had some really genius things. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, I don't want to take away from
Speaker 2: anything that he's accomplished. But the behavior that we saw
Speaker 2: was that was a little beyond just eccentric. That was
Speaker 2: just that was drugs. That was straight up drugs. Do
Speaker 2: you buy the black eye?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: That he told his son to hit him. I was
Speaker 2: playing with my son. I told him to punch me,
Speaker 2: and they hit a lot harder than you think. Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know who tells their kid to punch him.
Speaker 2: That's weird to me. Also, I'm not surprised though that
Speaker 2: if the black eye. It wouldn't surprise me if the
Speaker 2: black eye did come from the kid. And I say
Speaker 2: that because the kid is a bit undisciplined as well.
Speaker 2: He's a four year old who musk brought to the
Speaker 2: Oval office during a press conference and was running around
Speaker 2: and telling the president pretty horrible things during live television.
Speaker 2: You're an e fn idiot. A four year old is
Speaker 2: telling the President of the United States, the commander of
Speaker 2: the free world, you're an fing idiot. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: would not surprise me if the kid has discipline issues
Speaker 2: and would punch dad in the eye. That does not
Speaker 2: surprise me at all. That's what Bratts do. You know,
Speaker 2: they misbehave and if they're not corrected, then they'll continue
Speaker 2: to misbehave. So yeah, that part doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: So Trump was asked about Elon Musk in this press
Speaker 2: conference this week, because you know, there was the kind
Speaker 2: of the falling out, and then Musk said, Wow, I've
Speaker 2: not really saved the country any money, but I sure
Speaker 2: have saved all of my investors a lot of money.
Speaker 2: They just haven't made squad.
Speaker 7: What started as a political bromance is now wrapping up
Speaker 7: with a little less love. Elon Musk's one hundred and
Speaker 7: thirty days as the head of the Department of Government
Speaker 7: Efficiency came to an end today, well short of his promises,
Speaker 7: and just days after he criticized President Trump's Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 7: Trump and Musk sharing the spotlight today at the White
Speaker 7: House as Musk ends his role as a special government employee.
Speaker 2: But while okay, then they get on more stuff blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, and then Trump gave him a gold key
Speaker 2: and then he said it's great, and uh, we're gonna
Speaker 2: save a bunch of money, and YadA YadA, YadA. Does
Speaker 2: this strike you as odd though the times that they've
Speaker 2: had the joint press conferences. In the Oval Office, Trump
Speaker 2: is set at the resolute desk, and Musk has stood by,
Speaker 2: sometimes with this kid crawling all over the president, sometimes
Speaker 2: just nearby, wearing his T shirt because of the respect
Speaker 2: for the office. I know Trump is sitting, and of
Speaker 2: course Musk wearing a baseball capital time. I know that
Speaker 2: Trump is sitting behind the desk, and I think he's saying,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit behind the desk and look presidential. But
Speaker 2: there's just something about the tableau of it where Trump is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he likes to lean right, he likes to slouch.
Speaker 2: We've seen that. Everywhere he goes he slouches, and which
Speaker 2: is fine. He can slouch ow you want. I'm slouching
Speaker 2: as we speak. Just seem really odd. All right, Tariff's on,
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Speaker 2: Lucy there in the traffic center.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Hey, Lucy, heyes, from the show. I'm sorry that you
Speaker 2: had to walk into this circus.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, it's fantastic. You're you're so great.
Speaker 2: Oh you're You're wonderful to say that, but I I
Speaker 2: hate to say the obvious here, Lucy, but you don't
Speaker 2: sound like you don't sound like you're from here. You
Speaker 2: sound like you're from somewhere east, like Vegas or Omaha,
Speaker 2: or maybe Saint.
Speaker 6: Louis or North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I
Speaker 6: get that a lot. Yeah, from originally from England originally,
Speaker 6: but I have been in this wonderful country for thirty years,
Speaker 6: I think. So I came here on my own. It
Speaker 6: was just on a whim. I grew up watching American shows,
Speaker 6: you know, like I don't know, like The Rockford Files.
Speaker 2: And that Lock.
Speaker 6: And Stopped and I was like, wow, that's really cool.
Speaker 6: So you know, it's like one of those things where
Speaker 6: you know, it was like the soft power of Hollywood.
Speaker 6: So it lured me and the old movies, you know,
Speaker 6: with Kerry Grant and I mean, I know he was
Speaker 6: from my neck of the woods as well, but you know,
Speaker 6: I grew up, so I grew up with the mystique
Speaker 6: of Hollywood, with with America's greatness and with its energy
Speaker 6: and dynamism, and it still has it. So here I am.
Speaker 6: I came to the East Coast and then came over
Speaker 6: to California and did several things on the way.
Speaker 2: How long were you on the East Coast?
Speaker 6: Twelve years?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? And then the law. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I lived in Boston and I love Boston still
Speaker 6: and I have so many good friends. But you know,
Speaker 6: the Bostonians are tough. They're a tough bunch. So but
Speaker 6: but you know what, you get them on your side,
Speaker 6: and they're on your side forever. That's not yes.
Speaker 2: So when I was interviewing for my first job in
Speaker 2: California in San Diego, I had a station in Boston
Speaker 2: reach out at the same time, and so then I
Speaker 2: was thinking, in Boston, of course, is a larger radio
Speaker 2: market than San Diego. So I was thinking, well, this
Speaker 2: is a bigger market. But I thought, do I want
Speaker 2: to have the bigger market where everybody hates me, or
Speaker 2: do I want to go to San Diego where the
Speaker 2: weather is amazing and everybody's from somewhere else, you know,
Speaker 2: So I chose San Diego.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're right, because every Bostonians hate everybody. They
Speaker 6: hated me at first. Oh yeah, I got death threats.
Speaker 6: I did. Oh you're kidding, No, no I did, I did.
Speaker 6: I mean it didn't help the English Irish issue, you know,
Speaker 6: in the nineties and so, but that was resolved and
Speaker 6: then everybody got used to me. It's like, oh, you're okay, You're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got you got to do your time,
Speaker 2: and then you uh yeah. And then that's what when
Speaker 2: you came to California, What are the hardest names? Because
Speaker 2: you I mean I was listening to your traffic and
Speaker 2: and like you said, you've been here forever, so I
Speaker 2: mean obviously you know all the places. What were the
Speaker 2: hardest ones when you came here and had to learn,
Speaker 2: you know, because every every area has its own unique pronunciation.
Speaker 2: What are some of them that were difficult for you?
Speaker 6: It does koanga, that's crazy, that word cowenga pulva. I mean,
Speaker 6: I've heard all sorts of versions of that. I've heard,
Speaker 6: you know, let's see. You know, I'm just I'm looking
Speaker 6: at my map right now. I mean, just the Spanish
Speaker 6: names in general. I mean I even had a problem
Speaker 6: saying San Diego. It didn't roll off the tongue.
Speaker 2: Did you say it like ron Burgundy, San Diiago.
Speaker 6: Yes, something like, but it was you know, but everyone
Speaker 6: was so kind when I came here, they were so kind.
Speaker 6: They held me and they coached me. He's like, no, no,
Speaker 6: don't say that, don't say that. But then you have
Speaker 6: other words, like people say them differently. No galas no
Speaker 6: galas street on the follow five. So some people say
Speaker 6: nigoles and some people say no galas. I don't know
Speaker 6: which one it is.
Speaker 2: Some of those places can get away with either way, right,
Speaker 2: you can. You can say it either way. Uh, it's
Speaker 2: it's sort of like Colorado, Colorado, you know, or.
Speaker 6: Oh, Nevada or Nevada.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, yeah, because I've got
Speaker 2: the president. Trump said that and then he he was
Speaker 2: there and I've got this audio. This is great, and
Speaker 2: he started started telling people they were saying it wrong.
Speaker 8: Nevada Novada, right, And you know what I said.
Speaker 1: You know what I said.
Speaker 5: I said when I came out here, I said, nobody
Speaker 5: says it the other way.
Speaker 2: It has to be Nevada.
Speaker 9: No, no, if you don't say it correctly.
Speaker 2: And it didn't happen to me, But it happened to
Speaker 2: a friend of mine who was killed. That's true, though
Speaker 2: they actually found his body in Lake Mead when the
Speaker 2: levels went down.
Speaker 6: It doesn't surprise you, and it was it.
Speaker 2: Was funny because they had they found like four bodies
Speaker 2: out there, and three of them were people who actually
Speaker 2: said Nevada instead of Nevadada.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing is a lot of people won't
Speaker 6: allow you to say Nevada. I've had really disapproving looks
Speaker 6: Nevada story or my.
Speaker 2: My father likes to say, uh, Oregon, oh yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't say Oregon.
Speaker 6: Yes, the Oregonians don't like that at all, exactly.
Speaker 2: I've corrected him on that. And who cares, I said,
Speaker 2: people from Oregon care. Yeah. Yeah, So that's funny. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're in the show, Lucy. This is great.
Speaker 2: It's good to hear from you.
Speaker 6: Oh it's wonderful. I love listening and I'm chuckling away
Speaker 6: and just I just want you to know that.
Speaker 2: Oh you're brilliant. Thank you so much, all right, god
Speaker 2: bless all right, very good. Well, check my schedule and
Speaker 2: see if there's time that Lucy and I get together
Speaker 2: for some bangers and mash Yes, yes, love that all right?
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Let me think here, Kayla, do
Speaker 2: we have I don't want to get into the tariff stuff?
Speaker 2: Do we care about the tariffs right now? You want
Speaker 2: me to just go to break early and then spend
Speaker 2: more time talking about AI. I got a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff on AI this week, so many AI things, So Kilea,
Speaker 2: let's just do that, all right, Let's just go to
Speaker 2: Are you guys cool with that? Can I get a yes?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Right? All right, good, thank you. That's all I needed,
Speaker 2: just one because I have nothing else to say, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about tariffs because they bore me.
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Speaker 2: we had a story about former inmates at SAM that
Speaker 2: went back to play an alumni baseball game against current inmates,
Speaker 2: and I thought, if I got out of sand Quentin,
Speaker 2: I ain't going back, no way. So what is someplace
Speaker 2: that you would never go back to visit. We've had
Speaker 2: a few on here on One guy said he would
Speaker 2: never go back to Flint, Michigan. I blame him. Another
Speaker 2: dude said he would never go back to a timeshare presentation. Amen,
Speaker 2: A men, my friend, So what is someplace you would
Speaker 2: never go back to visit? If you're on the iHeartRadio app,
Speaker 2: just leak on that talk back and let us know
Speaker 2: what is someplace he would never go back to visit.
Speaker 2: And then obviously why why would you not go back there?
Speaker 2: There was an interesting story that popped this week and
Speaker 2: an interview was done with the the CEO of Anthropic,
Speaker 2: which is one of the AI companies that's out there,
Speaker 2: and he's basically warning a bunch of white collar jobs
Speaker 2: are going to go away. And I was reading and
Speaker 2: he was talking with an Axios reporter. Axios has continue
Speaker 2: to follow up on a lot of these AI stories
Speaker 2: this week. They've really been the forefront of reporting on
Speaker 2: the AI here of late. And they said the US
Speaker 2: government needs AI expertise and dominance to beat China in
Speaker 2: the next big technological and geopolitical shift, but they can't
Speaker 2: pull it off without the help of Microsoft, Google, Open Ai, Nvidia,
Speaker 2: and others. And so we're seeing emerging of Washington and
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. They say driven by necessity and fierce urgency.
Speaker 2: So much so then that they they use the phrase
Speaker 2: codependent superstructure. The government and these tech companies have formed
Speaker 2: a codependent superstructure in the race to dominate AI, and
Speaker 2: that strikes me as really odd. I know that we
Speaker 2: have government that supports certain businesses, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're a Republican or a Democrat. It happens. And
Speaker 2: then when the Democrats do what, the Republicans say that
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be using government to pick and choose winners.
Speaker 2: And then when the Republicans do it, then the Democrats say,
Speaker 2: I can't believe that the Republicans would do this to
Speaker 2: pick and choose winners. And of course there's always winners
Speaker 2: that benefit typically that party, whether that's labor unions or
Speaker 2: whether that's big business and low taxes, blah blah blah. Right,
Speaker 2: We've seen this play out time and time again, but
Speaker 2: we are seeing a lot of subsidies going towards some
Speaker 2: of these companies or you could say investments. Axos points
Speaker 2: out that the White House has cultivated a deeper relationship
Speaker 2: with America's AI giants, championing a five hundred billion dollar
Speaker 2: stargate infrastructure led by Open Ai, Oracle soft Bank, which
Speaker 2: is out of Japan, and MGX from the United Arab Emirates,
Speaker 2: all of these different things to try to give us
Speaker 2: a leg up on the AI race. And yet I
Speaker 2: think to myself, if we had, if we had the
Speaker 2: government that is trying to push forward this the efforts
Speaker 2: in AI in a public private partnership that benefits the
Speaker 2: private sector, how is that different than what China does.
Speaker 2: China is a capitalistic, communistic government, right, I mean it's
Speaker 2: communist capitalism. Communist party does this. They invest and they
Speaker 2: work with the companies and then the companies make money.
Speaker 2: But in this case, the Chinese government gets some of
Speaker 2: the proceeds. That's really the difference is that if the
Speaker 2: company in China that's working with the government, let's say TikTok.
Speaker 2: If TikTok makes a bunch of money because of some
Speaker 2: of the investments that the Chinese government has made, then
Speaker 2: the Chinese government says, cool, that was our investment. We
Speaker 2: want something out of it. Right, in the US, the
Speaker 2: government makes an investment and then the company takes off,
Speaker 2: but the government doesn't really recoup that. You have subsidies
Speaker 2: or we give tax breaks, we give we give certain advantages,
Speaker 2: tax abatements, call them right to these companies because the
Speaker 2: companies need to help. We want to, we want to,
Speaker 2: we want to win this battle. And then you go, okay, well,
Speaker 2: what is the government get out of it? And they
Speaker 2: know nothing, but the CEOs will, and then the CEOs go,
Speaker 2: we built that, right, It's been a big political argument.
Speaker 2: You didn't build that. Oh, yes I did. I built
Speaker 2: this from my hands, you know, with my bare hands.
Speaker 2: Like no, literally, the government, the government gave you a
Speaker 2: break so you could build it. Oh, I built this
Speaker 2: from scratch all by myself. I played by the rules.
Speaker 2: You did play by the rules. But the rules were
Speaker 2: definitely in your favor. Because if I go out there
Speaker 2: and I say I want to start a business, I
Speaker 2: think the government should give me a tax break. The
Speaker 2: government goes, well, how big is your business. The bigger
Speaker 2: the business, the more likely you are to have some
Speaker 2: help from the government. It's just the way it works.
Speaker 2: But what do you owe back to the government. The
Speaker 2: smaller your business, the more you're gonna owe the government.
Speaker 2: I don't get that tax break because my business is
Speaker 2: too small. Small business in the backbone of America. It
Speaker 2: pays all of our taxes so that we can give
Speaker 2: those taxes to the big companies that really are going
Speaker 2: to do great things. Right, that's how our system works.
Speaker 2: I find it to be flawed. Not a big fan
Speaker 2: of it. I understand how we got here. I'm just
Speaker 2: not a big fan of that. And moreover, I'm even
Speaker 2: less of a fan of the dishonesty around it. Like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not, Yeah you are. Just call it what it is.
Speaker 2: You are. So either we're all on a level playing
Speaker 2: field and we're all gonna pay the same taxes, or
Speaker 2: we're not at a level playing field. Uh, and just
Speaker 2: admit it. That's what it is. So what this CEO
Speaker 2: of Anthropics said is basically, quit sugarcoating what's coming. Mass
Speaker 2: elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting, and other
Speaker 2: white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. Entry level white
Speaker 2: collar roll. That's what you need. Entry level white collar
Speaker 2: that's a cush job until the cuts come and then
Speaker 2: you're the first one out. But let's just call it
Speaker 2: lower to middle Management. This is from Anderson Cooper talked
Speaker 2: with The Anthropics CEO and CNN Dario.
Speaker 11: You've said that AI could wipe out half of all
Speaker 11: entry level white collar jobs and spike unemployment to ten
Speaker 11: to twenty percent.
Speaker 1: How soon might that happen?
Speaker 12: Just to back up a little bit, you know, I've
Speaker 12: been building AI for over a decade, and I think
Speaker 12: maybe the most salient feature of the technology and what
Speaker 12: is driving all of this is how fast the technology
Speaker 12: is getting better. A couple of years ago, you could
Speaker 12: say that AI models were maybe as good as a
Speaker 12: smart high school student. I would say that now they're
Speaker 12: as good as a smart college student and sort of
Speaker 12: reaching past that. I really worry, particularly at the entry
Speaker 12: level that the AI models are are, you know, very.
Speaker 11: Much at the center of what an entry level human
Speaker 11: worker would do. The problem is what is entry level
Speaker 11: human worker? Because I can tell you this, I'm not impressed.
Speaker 11: I'm not impressed by AI yet. I mean, I'm impressed
Speaker 11: by where it's going. I'm impressed by the concept. I'm
Speaker 11: impressed by the proof of concept. I'm impressed by some
Speaker 11: of the early functionings. I'm not impressed with a lot
Speaker 11: of it because hallucinations still run. Wild hallucinations are still
Speaker 11: a big issue. Not only that, but in fact, I
Speaker 11: was just seeing this today. I googled something today so
Speaker 11: mad they just couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: I was looking for. My son was talking about free
Speaker 2: range chicken. This is just completely random here. My son
Speaker 2: was talking about free range chickens versus cage free versus
Speaker 2: industrial farm poultry. Because he's buying eggs and he bought
Speaker 2: the cheapestakes. And he says, oh, this says that they
Speaker 2: are cage free. What does that mean? They have one
Speaker 2: foot by two feet instead of they I don't know
Speaker 2: this disclosure so that they could roam around the barn.
Speaker 2: And he said, there're still not enough room for him, right,
Speaker 2: So you just saying this, and I thought, I've seen
Speaker 2: the stat before where chickens and cages at these egg farms,
Speaker 2: they have like a half foot one half square foot
Speaker 2: that's where they live their entire lives. Very small. It's
Speaker 2: about the size of an iPad. They live their entire
Speaker 2: lives in this area, about the size of an iPad.
Speaker 2: And and so I was looking that up. I was
Speaker 2: trying to find the exact area, and I kept well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I binged it because Cayla, you know big.
Speaker 2: And then Bing wasn't giving me the answer I wanted
Speaker 2: because I said, how big? I put in the question
Speaker 2: something like how large a space do hens have in
Speaker 2: an industrial poultry farm? And it said, if you're building
Speaker 2: your chicken coop, you should offer this much? And I go,
Speaker 2: that's not what I wanted, and it said and then
Speaker 2: it gave me a bunch of different instructions on how
Speaker 2: to build a chicken coop. So I said, forget this,
Speaker 2: and I went over to Google. I, you know, like
Speaker 2: what the kids use and uh. And I went over
Speaker 2: to Google and Google gave me the same stuff. And
Speaker 2: then you know how they all respond now with with
Speaker 2: the AI response for Bing, its co pilot for Google
Speaker 2: is Gemini. The Gemini response told me the same stuff.
Speaker 2: It was wrong, And then it was interesting, it comes
Speaker 2: with a disclaimer and it said AI responses may include mistakes.
Speaker 2: They had to add a disclaimer. So when you when
Speaker 2: you hear uh is it a moodi is how you
Speaker 2: say his name m and a a mo dei darrio
Speaker 2: is his name? The guy from Anthropic when he says
Speaker 2: that they're they're at about entry level job positions. I
Speaker 2: think to myself, what are the expectations of a human
Speaker 2: entry level job position? Because if the expectation is it's
Speaker 2: going to be filled with mistakes, hallucinations and false attributions, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's there. But if the expect is that the person
Speaker 2: is going to do their job right, then the large
Speaker 2: language learning models are not there. They're just not there yet.
Speaker 2: And I know I'm only talking about the language learning
Speaker 2: models and not the other AI, but it's not there yet,
Speaker 2: all right, he continues on, and so it's hard.
Speaker 12: To estimate, you know, exactly what the impact would be,
Speaker 12: and you know that there's always this question of adaptation,
Speaker 12: and you know, these these technology changes have happened before.
Speaker 9: But I think what is striking to me about that
Speaker 9: this this AI boom is that it's bigger, and it's broader,
Speaker 9: and it's moving faster than anything has before, and so
Speaker 9: compared to previous technology changes, I'm a little bit more
Speaker 9: worried about the labor impact simply because it's happening so
Speaker 9: fast that yes, people will adapt, but they they may
Speaker 9: not adapt fast enough, and so they're they're you know,
Speaker 9: there may be an adjustment period.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's a very reasonable thing that he says,
Speaker 2: and I like that he's he's clear that people will adapt.
Speaker 2: And this goes back to the Ludites, right, like, you
Speaker 2: can't bring in these automatic weaving machines, how are we
Speaker 2: gonna make any money as textile workers. This goes back
Speaker 2: to the seventeen hundreds, right, This is where the lud
Speaker 2: Eites got their name, people who fear technology. And what
Speaker 2: did we learn when they brought in the looms. They
Speaker 2: were to make a lot more clothes, a lot faster,
Speaker 2: and it brought the price down on clothing. You were
Speaker 2: able to crank out supply a lot faster, and then
Speaker 2: more people could wear your clothes. They and sales went
Speaker 2: up and it actually created more jobs. Right now, AI
Speaker 2: is doing the same thing. People that are using it
Speaker 2: effectively are enhancing their job. They're becoming more efficient, which
Speaker 2: a lot of bosses like, oh, look at how much
Speaker 2: more work we can put on them, And people are like, Ah,
Speaker 2: you can't make me work harder, how dare you? But
Speaker 2: it's the same argument that they had in the seventeen hundreds. Oh,
Speaker 2: this technology, now you're gonna want me to do more stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be easier to do that stuff. You're
Speaker 2: working the same number of hours, you're just getting more done, right,
Speaker 2: So that's cool. And anytime that we've had an advancement
Speaker 2: in to achnology. I used to hear this in the
Speaker 2: eighties all the time. Roll You remember that, Kayla, You
Speaker 2: don't because you're you were just a You're a twinkle
Speaker 2: in your father's eye in the eighties. But Rowl and
Speaker 2: I remember this. You remember back in the eighties, it
Speaker 2: was like, robots are going to replace us all. It's
Speaker 2: really bad. I grew up in Michigan and so it
Speaker 2: was all about the robots. We're going to destroy the
Speaker 2: auto industry and uh and they were talking about they're
Speaker 2: going to replace all these jobs and all these people
Speaker 2: are going to be out of work and it's going
Speaker 2: to be terrible. And what we found out is you
Speaker 2: could crank out cars faster, more consistent quality, and and
Speaker 2: the price of vehicles came down, right, That's what we saw.
Speaker 2: The other problems with the auto industry in Michigan are
Speaker 2: kind of self imposed. But as far as the industrialization
Speaker 2: of the robotics, that wasn't it that made things better?
Speaker 2: AI is going to make things better, But as as
Speaker 2: he points out, it's happening so quickly that there's going
Speaker 2: to be an adjustment period, and as company, they are
Speaker 2: looking to save money, especially if we're headed towards some
Speaker 2: sort of a recession, which you know, people keep talking
Speaker 2: about recession here. Recession there hasn't really played out in
Speaker 2: the numbers so far, but we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: As the summer goes on, then company's gonna be looking
Speaker 2: to how can we be more efficient? If I can
Speaker 2: bring AI in and I can have my one worker
Speaker 2: do twice as much work, then I don't need two workers.
Speaker 2: So that's when they say we're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: lay people off. Right, We're gonna be able to replace people,
Speaker 2: and especially in things like entry level, white collar. So
Speaker 2: how many pair of egals does a lawyer need if
Speaker 2: AI can do some of that? Well, right now, AI
Speaker 2: is hallucinating case law, which is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that people are worried about it. In fact, there was
Speaker 2: another poll that came out that says the public is
Speaker 2: not so cool on how quickly things are moving. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great for punching up my resume. It's really neat
Speaker 2: for making photos, but maybe it's moving a little too fast.
Speaker 2: They might have a point, they might just be scared.
Speaker 2: We'll do a little analysis on the sociology of it next.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2: Good evening, my friends, Chris Merril, KFI AM six forty
Speaker 2: on demand anytime the iHeart Radio App. All right, our questions,
Speaker 2: and I where is one place that you would never
Speaker 2: go back? I got a story about former inmates at
Speaker 2: San Quentin that went back to play an alumni baseball
Speaker 2: game with their field of dreams, and I say, you
Speaker 2: never get me back there? No way. If I got out,
Speaker 2: I'm not going back. I'm not doing a visit. So
Speaker 2: where's someplace you would never go back?
Speaker 5: Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, the gateway to Dollywood, and a multitude
Speaker 5: of other tourist traps. I've never seen traffic so bad
Speaker 5: and so many tourists per square foot. It's horrible and
Speaker 5: you can't enjoy it. I don't know what people see
Speaker 5: in that place, but it's just absolute congestion beyond anything
Speaker 5: LA traffic has ever seen. Wow, hundreds of miles of
Speaker 5: driving out of the way. It's not worth it, and
Speaker 5: I will never return and avoid it at all.
Speaker 2: All right, you guys ever been to Pigeon Forge?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, good talk?
Speaker 4: Nope?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, all right, so now, uh not a glowing review.
Speaker 2: I guess we don't go to Pigeon Forge ever. After
Speaker 2: twenty nine years of living in California and Huntington Beach,
Speaker 2: I said, I never moved back to Nashville, Tennessee, where
Speaker 2: I grew up. Wow, a couple of people for Tennessee today.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't like Tennessee. Right, Well, guess
Speaker 2: where I I am. Oh, thank you newsso oh you
Speaker 2: made me break a promise. Oh, Gavin Newsom made you big.
Speaker 2: Jerry Brown didn't make you break that promise. It took
Speaker 2: to Newsom to do it. Okay, Larry, all right, what else?
Speaker 6: Good evening.
Speaker 2: I would never go back to Catalina Island. That was
Speaker 2: the most boringest place I've ever went to. Oh, I
Speaker 2: have no desire to ever go back. Wow.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.
Speaker 2: Have a great eating. Thanks you too. She's not going
Speaker 2: back to Kettlin, not while she wasn't there during the
Speaker 2: wine mixer. That's the big one.
Speaker 10: All right, Hey, Chris, Hey, I thought it was kind
Speaker 10: of weird. I totally agree with everything you're saying today.
Speaker 2: That is weird.
Speaker 10: I guess the show is still got a lot left,
Speaker 10: so we'll see what happens. And look out, Angel Martinez.
Speaker 10: Here comes Lucy Heal, Hi Kayla.
Speaker 2: Okay, that got creepy fast.
Speaker 6: Hi Steve, he loves Hi Kayla. Hey Steve, Hi Kayla, Steve.
Speaker 2: You had a little thing with him. You have a
Speaker 2: little something going on there, Hi Kayla, Hi Steve. At
Speaker 2: the end of the talk backs, he always gives me
Speaker 2: a personal message.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Always, always, He's great.
Speaker 6: He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right. It sounded a little creeper to me,
Speaker 2: But if you're cool with it.
Speaker 10: Then Hi Kayla, Kayla.
Speaker 6: Oh Jesus game that was bring me. That's I'm gonna
Speaker 6: have nightmares.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I don't lan, Hey, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: I agree with everything you said tonight, So Hi Kla,
Speaker 2: thank you. I was talking about the AI here. More
Speaker 2: than three quarters of Americans now want companies to create
Speaker 2: AI slowly. They say, slow it down. Here to tell
Speaker 2: us more about it is the story read by AI outstanding.
Speaker 8: Most Americans want AI progress to slow down.
Speaker 2: Now that sounds natural, doesn't it. All right, but then
Speaker 2: there's kind of a giveaway when it comes to AI,
Speaker 2: which is why I think that we are still it's
Speaker 2: still not quite ready for prime time. All right, here's
Speaker 2: what he said. Let's try this from the beginning.
Speaker 1: From the top.
Speaker 8: Most Americans want AI progress to slow down, poll finds.
Speaker 2: Poll finds. Okay, all right, so we're reading.
Speaker 8: This as tech giants race to develop AI. Seventy seven
Speaker 8: percent of Americans say they prefer companies take their time
Speaker 8: and get it right, even if it delays breakthroughs. According
Speaker 8: to the twenty twenty five Axios Harris Poll one hundred,
Speaker 8: only twenty three percent support rapid development at the risk
Speaker 8: of mistakes. The causes sentiment spans generations from ninety one
Speaker 8: percent of boomers to seventy four percent of gen Z.
Speaker 2: Wow, even gen Z three quarters say let's let's pump
Speaker 2: the brakes. But the concern is that China is going
Speaker 2: to get ahead of us. Don't worry is if we're
Speaker 2: not ahead of AI, China will get ahead of AI.
Speaker 2: And then I then I mean, I mean, then they
Speaker 2: would they would, they would, they would be able to
Speaker 2: replace their workers first, So I mean you got to win.
Speaker 8: Despite pressure from CEOs and investors to lead in a
Speaker 8: global AI race, the public remains skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Many fear job loss, misinformation, and irreversible early design flaws.
Speaker 8: The poll suggests Americans have learned from past tech missteps
Speaker 8: and want slower, more responsible innovation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're also at an exciting period with AI.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason that we were that were moving
Speaker 2: so quickly is that it's exciting, it's new. We want
Speaker 2: to see just how far this can take us, right,
Speaker 2: just how how much can we do with AI? It's
Speaker 2: kind of exciting for for the kids these days, Like
Speaker 2: Kayla Kila. You probably don't remember not having the internet,
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 5: I do you do?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, that's fun. Yeah. So then
Speaker 2: you also then remember like the days where the web
Speaker 2: pages were really rudimentary compared to what we have today, right,
Speaker 2: where it was angel fire and what was the other one?
Speaker 2: Angel Fire was one of them. There was what was
Speaker 2: the other man?
Speaker 8: What was it?
Speaker 2: Well, Earthlink was a provider, right, I'm just thinking of
Speaker 2: the web page designers like geo, geolinks or something an
Speaker 2: angel Fire and you could make your own website, right.
Speaker 2: My Space made it easy for anybody to make their
Speaker 2: own website. And that was you know, that was fifteen
Speaker 2: years after we were all sort of getting out of
Speaker 2: the Internet in the first place. And if you look
Speaker 2: back at MySpace from from the mid to late two thousands,
Speaker 2: you see just how rudimentary that looked. So I think
Speaker 2: we're at this really exciting time like we were in
Speaker 2: the nineties with the explosion of the Internet. We just
Speaker 2: want to see how much we can get out of it,
Speaker 2: and we're all worried about what if China gets it? Okay,
Speaker 2: guess hello, Hello, is there anyone there? Hello? Oh, that's freedom.
Speaker 2: That's the sound of freedom. Oh nobody and then right,
Speaker 2: nobody complain when we got rid of that noise, no
Speaker 2: at all. And then once uh, you be, you'd be
Speaker 2: on the internet, you'd be in your chat room with
Speaker 2: your AOL, right, and then Mom would pick up the phone.
Speaker 6: Mom, I was using that.
Speaker 2: It was the worst. Facts would come in. It's terrible.
Speaker 2: So why are we so afraid of AI Because ultimately,
Speaker 2: when we say slow down, it's because we're worried about something.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: One of the things that motivate us fear and greed.
Speaker 2: And so you've got some people that say, boy, I
Speaker 2: want to see how far this can go. I want
Speaker 2: to see what AI can do. I just want to
Speaker 2: see how prosperous we can be with AI. Right, that's
Speaker 2: the greed. But what what what we What causes us
Speaker 2: to say, slow it down, let's exercise some caution. Is
Speaker 2: the fear side of us? And that's that's a that's
Speaker 2: a basic emotion. That is a survival mechanism, the fear,
Speaker 2: all right, And we have a lack of understanding when
Speaker 2: it comes to AI. We don't know what it's capable of,
Speaker 2: good or bad, and the unknown is scary. And most
Speaker 2: of us don't understand AI. We don't understand the limitations,
Speaker 2: we don't understand the abilities, we don't even understand.
Speaker 8: How it works.
Speaker 2: And I was reading some more on that today too,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is basically just predictive. Right
Speaker 2: in the same way that you might be using a
Speaker 2: you might be sending a text it, or you might
Speaker 2: be writing an email, and all of a sudden, your
Speaker 2: your your Outlook or your Gmail starts to try to
Speaker 2: predict what the next word would be. Right, That's kind
Speaker 2: of how AI works, but just on a grant, like
Speaker 2: what's the most likely answer based on what the next
Speaker 2: word would be? And if this is the most likely
Speaker 2: next word, what would the next most likely word be?
Speaker 2: And that kind of thing, And that's kind of how
Speaker 2: AI builds it's it's responses. But we have a lack
Speaker 2: of understanding, and that leads us to worry about worst
Speaker 2: case scenarios. I mean, it's the same reason that we
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, before we had telescopes, we didn't
Speaker 2: know what was in the stars, and then we were
Speaker 2: worried about what could come and destroy us. We don't
Speaker 2: know what is in outer space. We don't know if
Speaker 2: there are other life forms, which makes for great Hollywood
Speaker 2: movies where you've got the war of the World or
Speaker 2: some sort of an alien invasion Independence Day. We worry
Speaker 2: because we don't know, and the fear comes from that
Speaker 2: blindness that we have. And then we get bad news headlines, right,
Speaker 2: we get the headlines about the hallucinations of AI. We
Speaker 2: get the headlines about kids using AI to cheat all
Speaker 2: over the place. We get warnings from insiders like the
Speaker 2: gentleman from Anthropic who says this is going to create
Speaker 2: a bunch of layoffs. We're going to see hig unemployment, right,
Speaker 2: and we also, let's be honest, we've had bad experiences
Speaker 2: with some previous tech. It's like all this am mail
Speaker 2: that you've been getting, and I've just been getting some more.
Speaker 2: In fact, here I've got a new one how to
Speaker 2: spot phishing emails. Now that EI is cleaned, AI excuse me,
Speaker 2: has cleaned up the typos, which means AI will be
Speaker 2: used by bad actors. And nowadays it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: everybody's trying to take advantage of you, right, They're all
Speaker 2: trying to steal your information or your money. We're getting
Speaker 2: incessant spam and fraudulent emails, and we see how that
Speaker 2: tech is being used for evil, and AI will make
Speaker 2: that worse. Bad actors will use AI to try to
Speaker 2: take advantage of you, but AI may also help you
Speaker 2: identify those threats more quickly. We don't really consider those advantages.
Speaker 2: We worry about the dangers. That is normal survival mechanism.
Speaker 2: All right, Enough of me sounded like an old man.
Speaker 2: Not really, I can't get away from it, but I
Speaker 2: will stop talking about old man topics. Like there the
Speaker 2: kids these days, and they're fancy electronics you're going to
Speaker 2: ruin everything. There's no business like shel business. Every Sunday,
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