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Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh huh uh listen, shut up for a second.

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Speaker 3: This is John Fulbright. Hi, this is jar Williams.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 5: This is Mitch Margo of the Tokens.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 3: This is Gary us bonds Man here on the Rock

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Speaker 5: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Rock and Roll History

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Show on Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. We have

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a very interesting topic tonight. We might be breaking the

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law just a little bit, so stick around you don't

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want to miss it. But as always, before we hop in,

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allow me to introduce all the crambones who were joining

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us here tonight. First and foremost, from the Richter Observatory,

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he says that cows shot from a cattle loog Neil

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richters here.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that sounds like a lot of bulls to me.

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But doing everybody, can I get a move?

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Speaker 5: No move from paranormally yours? She says. The only thing

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worse than when it's raining cats and dogs is hailing taxis.

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Speaker 8: Gail Muthon is here, painful, a little bit splat messy,

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and talk about traffic.

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Speaker 7: Yikes.

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Speaker 8: Hello everyone, and.

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Speaker 5: Our officially retired teacher. He says that sting rays only

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swim in saltwater because pepper makes them sneeze.

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Speaker 9: John Kelly is here, Oh is that even illegal?

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Speaker 7: Why not?

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Speaker 4: Bryan?

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Speaker 3: Bryan?

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Speaker 5: Only one more to go. Last, but not least, the

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host of Shaving Cream. She says that fake dog poop

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should really be called shampoop. Barb Reveal is here. I

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will offer one blanket apology to everybody, and that's it.

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So welcome back Crambones and welcome back everybody else. So

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our topic tonight is actually courtesy of John. I don't

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know why he started thinking about talented felons, people who

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broke the law.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know where that came from.

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Speaker 10: It just kind of got it just I don't know,

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it materialized out of the air, out of the ether

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at the end of the last Joe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So it was a good one.

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Speaker 5: Because there there were a lot to choose from. Oh yeah,

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a little bit scary kind of what makes you wonder

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what's the uh the relationship there between you know, breaking

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the law and music. I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 10: It seems to be uh somewhat synonymous, not only in well,

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it's just I don't know, it's just it makes.

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Speaker 5: You wonder is there a higher percentage of felons in

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music than other lines of work.

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Speaker 9: Somebody ought to do a study.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, we may have to dig a

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little deeper. So Mercedes is not with us tonight. She

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actually got caught up in the spirit airlines nonsense, So

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as far as I know, her plane is just dangling

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midair until somebody comes and picks her up. But she

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had already made her pick, and she really wanted to participate,

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so she recorded her segments on a voice note and

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sent it to me. So we have that because she

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really wanted to participate. So we're going to lead off

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with the Mercedes, and let's see what she said to us.

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Here we go.

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Speaker 11: Hey, everybody, sorry I couldn't be with you today, but

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I really wanted to do this song, or at least

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I thought I did. This was a long go round

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for me. I was looking first song and came across

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an article about how Kid Creole had stabbed an unhoused

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man and went to jail because murder is a felony.

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I was very surprised and a little upset because I

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love Kid Creole and the Coconuts and have seen them

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many times. And even took an acrobatics class with one

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of the Coconuts way back in the day. He sat

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down to do my research and discovered that it was

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Kid Creole Kidd, not Kid Creole Kid, who had committed

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the felony. Completely different guy, Big Relief. Kid Creole born

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Nathaniel Glover was in Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five,

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not Kid Creole on the Coconuts. Glover joined Grandmaster Flash

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in nineteen seventy eight and released The Message in nineteen

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eighty two. After some personnel and label changes. Later, the

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group was not having much success. Glover had some disputes

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with their label, sugar Hill over Royalties, and he could

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no longer continue making a living as a full time musician.

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eighty two and nineteen ninety five, he was arrested for

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a firearm possession and in two thousand and seven for

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carrying a knife. On the night of August two, twenty seventeen,

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while coming home from a handyman job, he ran into

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John Jolly, a local unhoused man. According to security cameras,

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the two had a conversation and left the field of view.

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Jolly was stabbed to death, and Glover admitted he had

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stabbed Jolly. He was sentenced to sixteen years for manslaughter

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plus five year supervision, which I'm assuming is probation. And

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I'm sure Brian can answer that question. On that note,

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let's listen to the message. Certainly not a palate cleanser

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after that, but a great track if you don't think

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too much about you know the message.

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Speaker 7: It's like a jungle.

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Speaker 12: Sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.

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Speaker 1: Sophie glass.

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Speaker 13: Everywhere people people don't stay, you know, they just don't care.

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Speaker 3: I can't take the smells, can't take the door.

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Speaker 13: I've got no money too, But boy, I guess a

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guy don't charge back to the front room.

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Speaker 3: Roach just in the back.

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Speaker 13: Junky's in that eye they with the baseball back. I'm

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trying to get the way, but I couldn't get off

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because a man wouldn't. People says, my God, don't push me.

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Call I'm close to the edge. I'm trying again not

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to lose my.

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Speaker 3: Head somebody under. Some times it makes your mounder high.

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Speaker 13: Can going under standing on the front stool, hanging out

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the window, watching all the cargo by roaring as the

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base blow. Crazy lady living in the bag eating not

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the garbage bells used to be castut that's the tangle gift,

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the lack of danger with her dog Crace to see

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the lost us that sit down at the future watching

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all the pep so she could.

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Speaker 4: Tell the stories.

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Speaker 3: Took the girls back.

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Speaker 13: Home to win to the city and got susles so

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citty to have to get couldn't make it on the pone.

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Don't push me cup something clips to the edge.

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Speaker 7: I try again not.

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Speaker 12: To lose my head to say what It's like a tumble.

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Sometimes it makes me wonder how I came from going under.

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It's like the tuble. Sometimes it makes me wonder how

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I came from going under. My brother's doing dass on

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my mother's TV. Says she watches too much. It's just

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not healthy. All my children in the daytime Dallas and

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nights can't even see the game on the sugar ray

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fight the bill collect us to ring my phone, scars

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my wife when I'm not home. My gotta bumps education

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double digital face. You can't take the train. Did the

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job there to strike at the station and meet on

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King kon standing on my black kids stopped to turn around,

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broke Masacarini at mid grade Mi grand cancer remembry. Sometime

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I think I'm going to say.

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Speaker 3: That's where I might drip a plenty on.

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Speaker 12: Push me cut something close to the edge. I'm trying

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again not to lose my head.

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Speaker 4: Say what.

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Speaker 12: It's like a tonguele. Some times it makes me wonder

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how I can from going under. It's like a tingle.

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Some times it makes me wonder how I came from

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going under.

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Speaker 13: A childish boy indoor state of mind, blind took the

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ways of mankind. God the smiles dog, but he's founding too,

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because only God knows what you go through. Your girl

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put together on a second rate and your eyes will

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save a song of ty to practice you. Where you

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stay looks like one bigger alley where Julie Buyer all

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the dog but book taking a dark picture that is

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in the big money makes try a big toss.

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Speaker 3: Be in the twenties and ten se You want to

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grow up to be just.

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Speaker 13: Like that smuggling ex doorless burpoless and gamers pick the

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pocket that see the panhanding You say, I'm cool, I'm

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no food within your wine dump dropping out of high

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screw now your honey boy on non boy bucking brown Light,

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the pretty boy boy turk stick up kids. But what

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you're done?

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Speaker 7: Did God said up?

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Speaker 13: For the eight years now a man hood is too

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an undercover of being used in the certain black hell to.

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One day you were found hunk Dad and the sell.

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It was plain to see that your life for God,

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you was colding. Your body swung back and forth. But

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now the I say, with a sad, sad song, ha,

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it live so fast and die so young.

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Speaker 3: So talk cook.

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Speaker 13: Caught high coach to dump edge. I try again that

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to loose my head.

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Speaker 3: It's doctor jumping to.

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Speaker 6: Tires and men.

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Speaker 13: One the high can go another's doctor jumbles to ties

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and mention.

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Speaker 3: One the high can will go another.

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Speaker 11: In December nineteen eighty two, for The New York Times,

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Robert Palmer hailed The Message as the year's best album

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and explained that while the emerging rap genre has often

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been criticized for confining itself to bragging and boasting, the

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Message is different. It's a gritty, plainspoken, vividly cinematic portrait

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of Black Street Life. Social realism has rarely worked well

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in a pop music context, but the message is an

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utterly convincing cry of frustration and despair that cannot be ignored.

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And I think that's I think that's pretty good. I

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think that's all I have to say, considering that I

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thought I was going to be doing another song instead,

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but there you go. That's the message, and I'm glad

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I could do that song today anyway. Thanks.

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Speaker 7: I like that one.

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Speaker 5: What I like about it is you can understand it.

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You can understand all the words. It's not trying to

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get in as many syllables as you can. You know,

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it definitely told a story and.

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Speaker 8: He actually enunciates.

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Speaker 5: So I'm guessing it's not going to be on Neil's

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top ten.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say so, yeah, but I mean it didn't

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hurt me either. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It was you know, early as the genre was emerging,

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so drum machines were coming about, the synthesizers, all that

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kind of stuff, so it was a pretty cool use

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of that.

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Speaker 7: I thought, well, you know, I do have a thing

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against you know, drum machines, but to be expected, but

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that's okay. Yeah, everybody each their own you know, it's

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all good.

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Speaker 5: I have a problem with synth basis too, because you

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know kind of takes like a keyboard bass or yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, no no no no.

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Speaker 5: You get a real guy. Get a real guy doing that.

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It's much better. So all right, well, thank you Mercedes whole.

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She gets to land safely soon enough and come back

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for the next show. But for now, Gail, you're up.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I need to figure out how to condense five,

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no four and a half pages of notes down to

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a brief spot in the show because I chose a

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song from Billie Holiday.

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Speaker 9: And what is what is Billie Holidays rap sheet?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Drugs?

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Speaker 8: Drug charges. She was arrested a couple of times, the

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last time being when she was in her hospital bed,

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and she died soon after. So yeah, she was born

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Eleanor Eleanora Fagan. She was born April seventh, nineteen fifteen,

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and she passed away July seventeenth, nineteen fifty nine, so

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she was only forty four.

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Speaker 3: But she had.

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Speaker 8: Mistreated to her system.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 8: She was an American jazz and swing music singer, which

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a lot of people probably know. She was nicknamed Lady

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Day by her friend and music partner Lester Young. She

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made significant contributions to jazz music and pop singing because

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her vocal style, which was strongly influenced by jazz instrumentalists,

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inspired a new way of manipulating phrasing and tempo. Holiday

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was known for her vocal delivery and improvisational skills. Now,

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I did not choose one of the couple of songs

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that she's more well known for, but I'll talk about them.

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Speaker 9: In a bit.

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Speaker 8: The song that I chose is a little more upbeach,

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and it's called You Go to My Head. It's from

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nineteen thirty eight. It's a popular song that was composed

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by someone named Jay Fred kots Coots with lyrics by

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Haven Gillespie. A lot of different versions of the song

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have been recorded by different people, and apparently it has

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since become a pop and jazz standard. For the most part,

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I am not a jazz officionada, so I don't know

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what the rest of jazz is like. Anyway. You Go

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to My Head is intricately constructed with plenty of harmonic movement.

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It starts in a major key, but from the second

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bar onward, his the composer seems intent on creating a

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feverish dream quality. I love that term, feverish dream quality,

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tending more to the minor code. The release builds on

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the drama, and the final restatement holds some surprises as well.

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This piece would be noteworthy even if it lacked such

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an exquisite coda, But those last eight bars convey a

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sense of resigned closure to the song that fittingly matches

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the resolution of the lyrics. Let's have a listen, and

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then I have a lot more notes to try and contense.

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Speaker 2: You go to Mary, can you linger like a kid bread?

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And I find you spinning roll.

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Speaker 6: In my breed like the bubbles and a glass of

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shade hand.

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Speaker 7: You going to my.

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Speaker 2: Like a sip of spargling burgunder Brewer.

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Speaker 6: And I find the mntion of you like a kicker

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and a Julie Botwo love, feel love the thought that

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you might give a thought to my Please cast a

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spell over me.

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Speaker 2: But I said to myself, get a whole love yourself.

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Speaker 6: Can't you see that it never can be?

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Speaker 8: You got to mine.

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Speaker 6: With a spyle that makes my temper to rise.

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Speaker 2: Like a samer with a thousand July. You intoxicate my

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soul with your eyes.

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Speaker 6: And I'm certain that this home mine hasn't a ghost

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of a chance in this as your own man, you

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go too much?

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Speaker 5: You too, my.

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Speaker 8: Hey, what a voice, what a style.

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Speaker 10: Very kind of dreamy, as we were discussing before off air,

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kind of a dreamy.

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Speaker 9: As Brian you said, well, kind of like a club feel,

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you know, yea.

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Speaker 5: Intimate feeling is you're sitting up close to the performer.

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You're not in a bit that wouldn't work in an arena. No,

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that's you know, sitting in a cocktail lounge.

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Speaker 7: Vibe, smoke, smoke filled, you know, the whole, the whole, the.

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Speaker 9: Whole vibe, the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Who framed Roger Rabbit? That's all I could think of,

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which is not the message she was trying to send,

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But that's what. Yes, the time frame.

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Speaker 8: Well, that version and a couple of other versions by

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different people all placed in the top twenty of the

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music charts in nineteen thirty eight. I didn't even know

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they had music charts in nineteen thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: The song is.

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Speaker 8: Played in a nineteen forty four film called Laura. Nineteen

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forty six film The Big Sleep. The Louis Armstrong and

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Oscar Peterson version of it is played in the movie

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Corrina Corrina, which I've never heard of it. Frank Sinatra

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is someone who said he was very highly influenced by

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Billie Holliday's style, and he was a crooner, so you

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can see where that came from. She in her lifetime,

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among other things, played with several different bands, Duke Ellington's

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Band in nineteen thirty five, count Bassie Orchestra in nineteen

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thirty seven, and Artie Shaw Big Band in nineteen thirty eight.

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I believe she was the first woman of color to

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perform with otherwise all white orchestra's bands that kind of thing.

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Her career was active from nineteen thirty to nineteen fifty nine.

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She was married three times. First husband was Jimmy Monroe,

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second was Joe Guy and the third one was Lewis

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Mackay and at the time of her death they were separated.

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There's a website which I did not have a chance

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to look at. It's called Billieholiday dot Com. So I

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think I will have a look at that later. Now.

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One of the songs she became very famous for was

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Strange Fruit, and that was in nineteen ninety nine. Oooh, sorry, well,

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my show.

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Speaker 5: Is parano Le Yours.

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Speaker 8: Okay, nineteen thirty nine. Strange Fruit. Holiday was in the

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middle of recording for Columbia in the late nineteen thirties

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when she was introduced to the song Strange Fruit, a

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song by Abel Merripol based on his poem about lynching Maripol,

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a Jewish school teacher from the Bronx, used the pseudonym

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Lewis Allen for the poem, which was set to music

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and formed at teachers' union meetings. It was eventually heard

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by Barney Josephson, the proprietor of Cafe Society, which was

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an integrated nightclub in Greenwich Village, and he introduced it

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to Holiday. She performed it at that club in nineteen

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thirty nine with some trepidation because she was a woman

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of color and she feared possible retaliation. She said that

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the imagery of that song reminded her of her father's

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death and that this played a role in her resistance

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to wanting to perform it. For her performance at the

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Cafe Society, she had waiters silenced the crowd when the

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song began. During the song's long introduction, the lights dimmed

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and all movement had to cease. As Holiday began singing,

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only a small spotlight illuminating her face. On the final note,

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all lights went out, and when they came back on

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Holiday was gone. Billie Holiday said her father, Clarence Holiday,

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was denied medical treatment for a fatal lung disorder because

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of racial prejudice, and that singing Strange Fruit reminded her

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of the incident. She said, it reminds me of how

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Pop died. But I have to keep singing it, not

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only because people ask for it, but because twenty years

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after Pop died, the things that killed him are still

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happening in the South. She wrote that in her autobiography.

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When her producers at Columbia found this subject matter too sensitive,

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Mick Gabler agreed to record it for his Commodore Records

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label on April twentieth, nineteen thirty nine. The song remained

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in her repertoire for twenty years. She recorded it again

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for Verve, which I assume is another record company. Her

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popularity increased a great deal after Strange Fruit. She received

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a mention in Time magazine. I opened Cafe Society as

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an unknown, she said, I left two years later as

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a star. I needed the prestige and publicity. Alright, but

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you can't pay rent with that, so she soon demanded

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a raise from her manager, Joe Glacer. She returned to

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Commodore Records in nineteen forty four, recording other songs that

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she made in the nineteen thirties, including the Waterfront and

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I'll Get By. She also recorded a song called I'll

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Be Seeing You, which was a number one hit for

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being Crosby. She also recorded her version of Embraceable You,

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and that was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame

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in two thousand and five. Now we come to where

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things get difficults you mean it was easy up to

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this point, Well, no, but the substance issues. On May sixteenth,

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nineteen forty seven, she was arrested for possession of narcotics

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in her New York apartment. On May twenty seventh, she

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was in court. It was called the United States of

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America versus Billie Holiday, she says, and that's just the

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way it felt. During the trial, she heard that her

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lawyer would not come to the trial to represent her

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in plain English. That meant no one in the world

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was interested in defending her. Dehydrated and unable to hold

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down food, she pled guilty and asked to be sent

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to the hospital. The district attorney spoke in her defense,

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which is a little weird because you don't expect the

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DA to speak in the defendant's defense. He said, if

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you're on her, please, this is a case of a

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drug addict, but more serious, however, than most of our cases.

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This Holiday is a professional entertainer and among the higher

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rank as far as income was concerned. She was sentenced

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to Alderson Federal Prison Camp in West Virginia. The drug

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possession conviction caused her to lose her New York City

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cabaret card, which is what artists who wanted to perform

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in places that sold liquor had to have, and so

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after that she could not work anywhere that sold alcohol,

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so she performed in concert venues and theaters. The narcotics

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police went to her hospital room, claiming they had found

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heroin in her bedroom. A grand jury was summoned to

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indict her. Halliday was subsequently arrested, handcuffed to her bed,

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and placed under police guard. She was released on March sixteenth,

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nineteen forty eight, because of good behavior. Now, as she

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lost her cabaret card, her earnings went downhill because you know,

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I guess you make more money in these clubs. So

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Ed Fishman, who had competed with Joe Glazer to be

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her manager, thought of a comeback concert at Carnegie Hall.

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She hesitated, unsure that audiences would accept her. After the arrest,

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she gave in and agreed. On March twenty seventh, nineteen

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forty eight, she played Carnegie Hall to a sold out crowd.

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Twenty seven hundred tickets were sold in advance, and that

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was a record at that time for the venue. Her

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popularity was unusual because she didn't have a current hit record,

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but it apparently did her, you know, boosted her career

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and got her back in the running. She was arrested

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again on January twenty second, nineteen forty nine, in her

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room at the Hotel Mark Twain in San Francisco. She

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said she began using hard drugs in the early nineteen forties.

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She married Trombonis Jimmy Monroe on August twenty fifth, forty one,

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and while still married, she became involved with the trumpeter

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Joe Guy, who was also her drug dealer. I guess,

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I guess she figured to get a good deal or something.

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She divorced Monroe in nineteen forty seven and also split

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with Guy the drug Dealer Let's see. By the nineteen fifties,

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her drug use, drinking, and relationships with abusive men took

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a great deal of toll on her health. She did

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appear on the ABC reality series The Comeback Story. I

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didn't know they had reality TV in the nineteen fifties,

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she discussed her attempts to overcome her addictions. She toured

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Europe in nineteen fifty four in Germany, Netherlands, Paris and Switzerland.

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She had a an autobiography ghost written, and she published

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that in nineteen fifty six. In nineteen seventy two, the

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film came out called Lady Sings the Blues, and Diana

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Russ starred as Billie Holiday. I remember when that came out.

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I saw that movie when I was twelve years old,

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and now I understand why back then I didn't understand

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a lot of what was going on in the movie,

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because luckily I didn't know about these things. Oh my goodness.

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Then in nineteen fifty seven, Holiday married her last husband,

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Louis Mackay, a mob enforcer or she could really pick them.

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Speaker 14: Oh.

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Speaker 8: Health complications from her years of drug and alcohol abuse

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would ultimately lead to her death. By early fifty nine,

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she was diagnosed with cirrhosis. Although she'd initially stopped drinking

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on her doctor's orders, it was not long before she relapsed.

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By May of nineteen fifty nine, she had lost twenty pounds,

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and her manager Joe Glazer, jazz critic Leonard Feather, photojournalist

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Alan Morrison, and the singer's own friends all tried in

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vain to persuade her to go to a hospital. On

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May thirty first, nineteen fifty nine, she was finally taken

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a Metropolitan Hospital in New York for treatment of both

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liver and heart disease. While in the hospital, special agents

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of the FBI, NO, the FBN, the Federal Bureau of

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Narcotics came to her hospital room and placed her under

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house arrest. The woman is like on the edge of

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death and they come and arrest her at her hospital bed.

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That's really crazy, handcuffing her to the bed for narcotics possession.

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On July fifteenth, she received last rites from a Catholic priest,

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and two days later she died at age forty four

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of pulmonary edema and heart failure. Caused by cirrhosis. And

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what a sad end to such a great artist. But

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you hear this a lot. Being creative and being a performer,

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I guess is stressful enough that it can lead you

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into all sorts of unsavory habits. And it's just sad

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that she died so young. Very but she had amaze voice.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that was lovely. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry it was long winded, but and I left

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out half of my notes.

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Speaker 6: I mean, oh, you a lot.

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Speaker 5: What a career, you know. It's yeah, what a distinctive voice.

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And she's one of those ones you hear recording and

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it's her, Yeah, you know, one of those voices that's

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very distinct. So yeah, and there's a lot more, like

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you were saying. Yeah, there's a lot of whole history.

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So it took too long for her to get her

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her the recognition she deserved. But yeah, we're doing our part.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks Gil. We're gonna take a real quick

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break and we have lots more coming up, so stick around.

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We'll be right back. Hudson River Radio.

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Speaker 9: Your dog likes us.

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Speaker 8: This concludes the first part of this cassette.

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Speaker 11: Please turn the cassette over and begin again on side too.

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This is Hudson River.

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Speaker 1: Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 9: Ah Way, and welcome back.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about talented felons this week, and Neil.

486
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Speaker 9: We're up to you.

487
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Speaker 7: Okay. My subject for today's topic is punk rocker Sid Vicious,

488
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a talented felon. Well, let's see. First of all, ever

489
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since its inception, rock and roll has been known for

490
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creating controversy and questionable activity, and more often than not,

491
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those activities were fueled by the use of drugs and alcohol.

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Oftentimes that questionable activity cross the boundaries of legal limits,

493
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and sometimes even those legal limits got a little blurred,

494
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as we shall see. Let me set the scene. The

495
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rock and roll in nineteen sixty were particularly known for

496
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these excesses. That is, until the early seventies rolled around

497
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and the infamous twenty seven Club claimed the Big Three

498
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Jimi Hendrix, Jennis Joplin, and Jim Morrison. Now, I believe

499
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,280
this caused a subliminal shift in the rock world's collective

500
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consciousness that maybe this mayhem was maybe a little too much. Now,

501
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,800
the use of drugs and alcohol didn't slow down at

502
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,960
that point, if anything, it increased, but the mayhem slowly

503
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turned into mellow as the seventies moved forward, particularly in

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the mainstream like with record deals and radio airplay, and

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with a few notable exceptions, hard rock began to give

506
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way to soft rock like Fleetwood, Mac Jackson Brown and

507
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the Eagles. Now, that is until punk rock reared its

508
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ugly little head around nineteen seventy six. In nineteen seventy seven.

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And now, the vices and excesses of punk rock were

510
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really not all that different from those of the nineteen sixties.

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But those sixties rebels and revolutionaries, they were now in

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charge and they were now wearing the suits, and they

513
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weren't too happy about these young punks, these young upstarts

514
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coming along and you know, honing in on their business,

515
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sort of like meet the New Boss, same as the

516
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old boss, right, And it definitely had a concerted bias

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against punk. And no other band illustrated this point more

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than England's sex Pistols. Now. The sex Pistols were conceived

519
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by their manager, Malcolm McLaren with the sole intention of

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causing controversy, oh and making money too. Now, the sex

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Pistole's original lineup consisted of vocalist Johnny Rotten, guitarist Steve Jones,

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drummer Paul Cook, and bassist Glenn Mattlock. Now Mattlock would

523
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soon be fired for allegedly liking the Beatles too much,

524
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but that was just a story for the press. There

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was more going on than that. But he was replaced

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by Sid Vicious, the man we're going to focus on here.

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John Simon Ritchie aka Sid Vicious born in May nineteen

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fifty seven, joined the Sex Pistols in nineteen seventy seven.

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Now here's the interesting thing. He didn't know how to

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play bass. He didn't know how to play anything. He

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couldn't play a note. But he wasn't there to play.

532
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He was there to cause trouble, and he did. About

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a year after that, The sex Pistols imploded in San

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Francisco in nineteen seventy eight, at the end of their

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short and only US tour. By that point, Sid was

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a total mess from booze and drugs. In fact, on

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the flight from San Francisco to New York, he was

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taken off the plane in a coma. Okay, that's how bad.

539
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Speaker 5: It's better than fighting, I think.

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Speaker 7: But he did manage to record a few songs as

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a singer, not as an instrumentalist, as a singer after

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the band broke up, like this one here, the cover

543
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of Eddie Cochrane's come On Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Same God, Who come on nobody.

545
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Speaker 6: Where? It's not one B that's w.

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Speaker 3: A W has a be a jam of the first

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never where when the Kansas still your brother.

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Speaker 9: Mole riding in sist of will?

549
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Speaker 3: Who come on everybody.

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Speaker 6: Where?

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Speaker 3: We gotta plan of begun We got there so the

552
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mama still hold the gonna tell well, let me know

553
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what we got to?

554
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Speaker 9: Who cares?

555
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,559
Speaker 13: Who on?

556
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Speaker 3: Everybody?

557
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Speaker 7: All right? Sid Vicious covering Eddie Cochran. Eddie Cochran one

558
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of the original punks in my estimation back from the fifties.

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But anyway, back to our story now. After the demise

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of the sex Pistols, Vicious and his girlfriend Nancy Spongeen

561
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moved into the Chelsea Hotel in New York City and

562
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with sponge In acting as his manager, they put together

563
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a band and he played at Maxis Kansas City a

564
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number of times, I think, and the gigs drew you know,

565
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,360
large crowds and paid pretty well, but the reviews were

566
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,159
less than stellar. You can actually hear there are bootlegs

567
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of that he can hear the audience heckling sid on stage,

568
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so talented? Okay Now. On the night of October eleventh,

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nineteen seventy eight, the couple hosted a party in their

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hotel room, with numerous people coming and going throughout the evening.

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Now Vicious allegedly took about thirty two in all pills,

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which is a depressant, and he was basically out of

573
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a comatose for most of the party. The next morning,

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hotel staff found Vicious wandering the hotel hallway and Nancy

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Spongeen dead in their apartment on the bathroom floor with

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a knife wound to her abdomen. The murder weapon was

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identified as a hunting knife that Spongeon had bought for

578
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,039
Vicious a few days earlier. Now in question by police,

579
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Vicious gave conflicting stories, first claiming to have killed her,

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then saying he didn't remember anything, and then saying that

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Spongent had accidentally fallen onto the knife. Vicious was arrested

582
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and charged with second degree murder, a felony, and the

583
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:20,920
arresting officer said quote Vicious admitted killing mis Bungeon during

584
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a dispute easy police paperwork, lazy police paperwork. Perhaps the

585
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drug addicted punk rocker killed his girlfriend. Opened and shutcase

586
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another punk off the streets, nice and neat right end

587
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of story. Right wrong. On February first, nineteen seventy nine,

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after completing a detox program at Riker's Island, Fisius was

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released on bail. He returned to Manhattan, and he immediately

590
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,000
asked someone to get him some heroin. So in a

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00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,679
nutshell that night, Sid shot up the same amount of

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heroin that he had used prior to detox, which caused

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a fatal overdose, and he died before ever going to

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trial for the murder of Nancy Spongeen case closed right well,

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00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:25,800
hold on. First, of all, Vicious was allegedly so out

596
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of it the night of the murder he probably couldn't

597
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,280
have even swatted a fly let alone kill somebody with

598
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,000
a knife and stab him to death. Okay. Now, Also,

599
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,719
the couple were known to keep large amounts of cash

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in the apartment, and from what I heard that he

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had recently got a royalty check or something a fact,

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so they had a lot of money laying around. Now,

603
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this fact was supposedly known by one of the guests

604
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,639
at the party an actor by the name of Rocket's

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Red Glare, nice stage name, and not only was he

606
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at the party, he was also the guy who supplied

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Sid allegedly with the tun All's now the money it

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00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:18,159
was missing after the murder, So therefore a possible motive.

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Did Nancy catch him swiping the cash and did he

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stabber like in a panic? Well? Redglair, who died in

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two thousand and one, denied any involvement in the case,

612
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,639
but privately had confessed to friends that indeed he was

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the murderer. But Redglair apparently also had a bad habit

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of telling outrageous stories just to get attention, like a

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00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,440
pathological liar. So who knows now? Another man, a punk

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00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:57,719
rocker named Neon Leon another great name, who was also

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a friend of Redglare's, and he lived down the hall

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from Vicious and Spongeing. He was later found to be

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in possession of many of Sid's personal belongings, like his

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leather jacket. So another possible suspect, you tell me. At

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one last point, Nancy Spongeing, she was not well liked.

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In fact, she was seriously disliked by many people, like

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almost everybody maybe except for Sid. Now, did she happen

624
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,719
to mouth off to the wrong person at the wrong

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time at that party? You know, people do bad things

626
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under the influences of a lot of drugs. Did she

627
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tick somebody off so bad they just picked up the knife?

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Land there? And I don't know, could this have been

629
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a motive or a reason for murder? We'll probably never know.

630
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None of these possibilities were ever followed up on, and

631
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as far as the law was concerned, they had their

632
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,840
man Sid Vicious. But in my mind, the question remains

633
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:26,280
two questions, Sid Vicious, talented, debatable, a felon in my opinion, inconclusive. Now,

634
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360
you can go watch the movie Sid Nancy if you want,

635
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,239
like the Walt Disney version, you know, I mean, it's

636
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,679
a good movie, but you know, had very little to

637
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,320
do with reality pretty much. I watched it way back when.

638
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,039
I think a better film to see is called The

639
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,639
Filth and the Fury about the sex Pistols and their

640
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,079
whole thing. That's a little more it's more like a documentary.

641
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But yeah, I don't know. To me, it could have

642
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been he could have done it. Yeah, there's so many

643
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,559
what ifs, or you know, when you're when you're dealing with.

644
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Speaker 5: You know, you have an apartment full of unsavory people

645
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,280
to begin with, good luck, because that's what people who

646
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,280
are ready to throw everybody else under the bus.

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Speaker 7: These are not. Yeah, there is no honor among these thieves.

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Yeah that way, that.

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Speaker 5: Sounds like a good crossover for a murder in the

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Hudson Valley.

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Speaker 7: I was thinking that when I was putting this together.

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I said, yeah, this could be a murder in the Hudson.

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Speaker 5: I think you may have to make a guest appearance

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with Linda and me.

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Speaker 7: I'd be honored, all right.

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Speaker 5: I think we're gonna have to make this happen. There's

657
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a lot more. It makes you wonder, like, is there

658
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,199
any evidence left? All right now I'm in the murder mindset,

659
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,639
you know, is there DNA left? Do they still have

660
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,480
the knife somewhere? Is you know, any of his belongings

661
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:54,119
still around?

662
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 7: I don't know. But like I said, it made just

663
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:03,639
for a night, nice neat package that you know. Okay, Yeah,

664
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:06,840
he's a junkie. He stabbed her.

665
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 5: Yeah the surface, that makes sense, sure.

666
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you have to prove it well. Yeah, and

667
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
again with all the other variables that I mentioned, and

668
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probably even more.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, how secure was the hotel at the time,

670
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Like could anybody get in and out? Could you get

671
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:25,679
to his room or do you have to go past

672
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,039
a doorman or you know what I mean. There's so

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much that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: No, there was a lot of questions, a lot of questions. Marks.

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Speaker 5: All right, you have speaked my interest on this.

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Speaker 8: I was going to say that should be on one

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of those closed case funds.

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00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 5: No, it should be on murder in the Hudson Valley.

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You'd be quiet. No, that was a good one. All right, thanks, Yeah,

681
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,239
all right, we have a lot to think about. But meanwhile,

682
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,159
I don't know whether to be horrified or nervous about

683
00:48:58,199 --> 00:48:59,559
what Barber's going to share with us.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 14: Well, I won't get to graphic on this one, but

686
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,239
the creepy felon and you'll, if you don't already know,

687
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,440
you'll hear a little bit about that later.

688
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Speaker 1: Creepy Fellon.

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Speaker 14: I chose for today's topic is Gary Glitter, and I'm

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sure most of you have heard of him. I'm going

691
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to talk about his a music career first and his

692
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,880
crimes after we hear by song choice, which I'll mention

693
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:30,880
later on. Glitter was born Paul Francis Gadd on May eighth,

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nineteen forty four, and besides being notorious for his felony convictions,

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he was known professionally for being an English glam rock performer.

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He never knew his father and his mother never married.

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She worked as a cleaning lady, and he was raised

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by both his mother and maternal grandmother. And he was very,

699
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:58,079
let's put it this way, hard to control, and at

700
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age ten, was taken into what was called at the

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time local authority care, so he frequently ran away to

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London hung out at local nightclubs. He began performing at

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these clubs, covering popular rock songs, and he got his

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break when film producer Robert Hartford Davis discovered him and

705
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got him a recording session with Decca Records at the

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age of fifteen in January nineteen sixty He released his

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first single, called Alone in the Night, under the stage

708
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name Paul Raven in nineteen sixty one before working with

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the Beatles. Producer George Martin produced two singles for him,

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but these did not do well and his career stalled.

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He did some occasional recording and touring with other bands

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during the remainder of the decade. In nineteen seventy one,

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he changed his name to Gary Glitter in accordance with

714
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the growing popularity of the glamor rock movement, and started

715
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to perform wearing flashy, glitterally glittery outfits and a stage

716
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,320
persona to match. He partnered with producer Mike Leander, who

717
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,280
created Glitters sound and persona. In nineteen seventy two, he

718
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,159
released the A and B sides of a single called

719
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,360
Rock and Roll Parts one and two. Part two became

720
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,000
more popular, reaching number two on the UK Singles Chart,

721
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:33,559
and became widely used at sporting events. His second studio album,

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called touch Me, released in nineteen seventy three, contains my

723
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,639
song choice for today's topic. Let's now pause and listen

724
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,320
to the lead single from that album, Do you Want

725
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:46,840
to Touch Me?

726
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:11,679
Speaker 15: It's a long time and along returning mister shush Man

727
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:24,000
and changed the temperatures inside and we get so much ship.

728
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 16: Time time.

729
00:52:48,960 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, from.

730
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Speaker 3: Falling into said.

731
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Speaker 16: He's plays from Stone Stone Them changes wars.

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00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: Comment.

733
00:53:51,679 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, alright, So there's do you Want to

734
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:57,920
Touch Me?

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00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 14: The song was famous, sleek, covered and better in my

736
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:04,960
opinion by Jon Jet in nineteen eighty two.

737
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: But according to me, Jon Jet can do no wrong.

738
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 5: So that's just me.

739
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Speaker 7: Agreed, agreed, Yeah, I have to go with that.

740
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,679
Speaker 14: So Touch Me went on to be Glitter's best selling album,

741
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and the popularity of glamrock declined in the late nineteen seventies,

742
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and Glitter's career along with it. He attempted comebacks in

743
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,000
the nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties, but with limited success,

744
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,039
and continued for a time to perform in nostalgia tours.

745
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,960
Ah so, just a bit about his rap sheet if

746
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,679
you will. In nineteen ninety seven he was arrested and

747
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:47,039
in nineteen ninety nine convicted and imprisoned for downloading child pornography.

748
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Speaker 1: And this is just the beginning.

749
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Speaker 14: I'm not gonna talk about everything because there's a lot,

750
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,920
so let's just talk a little bit about some main

751
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,159
points here. In two thousand and six, in Vietnam, he

752
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:03,079
was convicted and imprisoned for child sexual abuse involving miners.

753
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:08,760
In twenty twelve in the UK, the Jimmy Seville scandal

754
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,599
became public, and this refers to the discoveries after the

755
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,400
death of British TV and radio personality Jimmy Seville. That

756
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,559
he had committed decades of numerous sexual assaults involving over

757
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:24,360
four hundred victims from the nineteen fifties to the two thousands,

758
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and in twenty fifteen, Glitter's involvement in this scandal became public.

759
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So at present Glitter is still in jail and his

760
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,519
music is widely banned or avoided in media. It's got

761
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,360
that stigma, and rightly so, and broadcasting and all royalties

762
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,079
are redirected or withheld. So even though you still hear

763
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,880
in his music sometimes on the radio, sometimes it's sporting events,

764
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,920
and it's got that stigma, he's not getting any money

765
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,320
for it, all right, which I didn't know till I

766
00:56:59,360 --> 00:56:59,960
did the research.

767
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to say good, but there's a lot

768
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,960
of bad to get to this.

769
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Speaker 14: I know that when he was in Vietnam, they tried

770
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,320
to extradite him to Great Britain and he refused to go.

771
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:15,199
He evaded the police for a very long time trying

772
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,440
to get him, and then finally the police managed to

773
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,199
catch up with him and they escorted him to the airport,

774
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,920
through him on a plane and extradited him back to England.

775
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,159
Speaker 1: But he avoided it.

776
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 5: I just think he didn't take spirit. Yeah, yeah, all right,

777
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:40,199
Well thanks Barbara. It's such a it's awkward to end.

778
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:41,519
S's one of those.

779
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: It's born awkward, so have at it.

780
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,199
Speaker 7: Well, none of these, none of these segments, none of

781
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,199
these stories have like happy endings.

782
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 5: Yeah you can't, you know, cheerfully go into your commercial break, now,

783
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:56,559
can you. So we're just gonna we're going to go

784
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,599
right into our break and come back with more felons.

785
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:01,239
Soick around, boy.

786
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 9: Hudson Riverradio dot com.

787
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 5: Hudson River Radio dot com, and welcome back, John. This

788
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,639
whole thing was your idea. So now's your turn. Good luck.

789
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 9: Hey, Well my selection tonight was Marvin Berry's cousin Chuck.

790
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: Excellent, So good old Chuck.

791
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:37,559
Speaker 10: Berry, who he's had a color he had excuse me,

792
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,639
he had a colorful career.

793
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 9: I might add he had.

794
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 10: Just a smidgeon of a problem with the law going

795
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,079
back in the day. The song I selected tonight was Mabelene,

796
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,719
which was one of his first hits. It was one

797
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,519
of his first singles in nineteen fifty five.

798
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,599
Speaker 9: And the song itself isn't that bad. It's it's kind

799
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:00,679
of an one.

800
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 10: You know, chasing your you know, chasing your X and

801
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:06,599
all of that, but uh, it's more of the life

802
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,840
of the of the uh, the creator of the song.

803
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,679
What was fascinating for me is Chuck Berry is widely

804
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
recognized as the founding father by of rock and roll,

805
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:20,880
according to a lot of sources, that I looked at

806
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,960
the founding father of rock and roll, if you really

807
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,239
want to think about it, I mean, who hasn't heard

808
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Chuck Berry. I mean he was you know, all the

809
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,719
way back, you know, the fifties, the sixties especially, and uh,

810
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,400
for somebody who was so fabulously successful, he got into

811
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,199
a lot of trouble.

812
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,639
Speaker 9: And I mean a lot of trouble. I don't know

813
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:41,639
how I was to describe it. So why don't we

814
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,760
listen to Mabelene.

815
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 10: I'll talk a little bit about that, and uh, we'll

816
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,400
list some of his offenses after the song.

817
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:49,639
Speaker 5: Okay, let's play it.

818
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: Why can't you be true? Why can't you be true?

819
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,079
It is started doing the thing you used to do.

820
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,039
I said, I wasn't motiv eating over the hill. I

821
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,960
saw mav Lean in a Cooper Hill cardiac of rolling

822
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,679
on the open road. Nothing not running by phple Cadillac

823
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,920
doing about ninety five followed on my roll inside the side.

824
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,519
Why can't you beat you? Why can't you beat you?

825
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,480
You didn't started back doing anything you used to do.

826
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,760
My cadillac hold up the herd of the four before,

827
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,760
got a hot and wouldn't do it, don't move come,

828
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,960
got a cloud and started to rain. I chewed in

829
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,519
my arm, put a passing like a rain water flowing

830
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,280
all one of my hood. I knew that I was

831
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,920
doing my mold of good maybely.

832
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,159
Speaker 1: Why can't you be truth?

833
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 3: Oh mabe, why can't you be true? You done started

834
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,079
back doing the thing you used to do.

835
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:19,519
Speaker 6: Why can't you beat you?

836
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 3: Why can't you beat you? You done started back doing

837
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,639
the thing you used to do. I'm monna cool down.

838
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 13: He went down, and that's when I heard that highways

839
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,360
down cadillacs thatting like a torn of dead hard than

840
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,039
ten and a half a mile ahell.

841
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:41,159
Speaker 3: Cadillac looking like sitting still. And our caught Mabel at

842
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:44,400
the top of the hill. Why can't you beat you?

843
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:51,320
Why can't you beat you? You done started back doing

844
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,639
anything you used to do?

845
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:07,039
Speaker 10: Okay, Mabelene nineteen fifty five. Chuck Berry, First of all,

846
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,360
where do you think they came up? With the title

847
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,719
for Mabelene. It was from somebody spotted a mascara box

848
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:17,800
on the floor of the recording studio, Are you kidding me?

849
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:20,199
Not kidding? And they just said, well, hell, let's just

850
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:26,840
leave name. Let's just name it Mabelene. So yes, So basically,

851
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,119
Mabelene was a rock and roll swing song by Chuck Berry,

852
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:33,960
adapted in part from the Western swing fiddle tune Ida

853
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Red tell Us the story of a hot rod race

854
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,159
and broken romance.

855
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 9: The lyrics describe a man driving a V eight Ford. Well,

856
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,000
those must have been awesome.

857
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 10: Back in the day, chasing his unfaithful girlfriend in our

858
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,840
Cadillac coupe Deville.

859
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,599
Speaker 9: So there you go. Mabelene. So pretty great song. It

860
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,719
just I think it it It epitomizes Chuck Berry.

861
01:02:57,519 --> 01:02:57,679
Speaker 7: You know.

862
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 10: I know everybody's thinking, Johnny be good, but no, we

863
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,239
wanted to go a little little bit different direction here

864
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,840
and talk a little bit about other things that this

865
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,440
man did now, his other accomplishments, you know, Maybelene. Great

866
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:12,519
song kind of established that Chuck Berry swing feel to it,

867
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:16,719
you know, clean cut, you know, V eight Ford, coop

868
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,880
Deville running around having a good time. Nineteen fifties, happy days,

869
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:24,400
Happy days, Thank you very much, Neil. Happy days are

870
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,760
here again, right? Yeah, well not so much. So let's

871
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:33,159
talk about Chuck Berry and some of his lighter side.

872
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 9: Okay.

873
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 10: Nineteen forty four, armed robbery. Before his music career took off,

874
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,800
Barry was convicted of arm robbery in Kansas City and

875
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,280
spent three years in a reformatory.

876
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,199
Speaker 9: Oops, okay, a Man Act conviction. I'm not even quite

877
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:49,079
sure what that was.

878
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 10: Nineteen fifty nine, at the height of his early fame,

879
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,639
Berry was arrested and convicted for violating the Mail There

880
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,880
it is the Man Act, which prohibited transporting a minor

881
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,440
across state line for immoral purposes. The incident involved a

882
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:07,199
fourteen year old girl he brought from Mexico to work

883
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:12,119
at his Saint Louis club. After an initial conviction was

884
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:15,800
overturned and a second trial held, he served twenty months

885
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,320
of a three year sentence in federal prison.

886
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 9: So we're off to a pretty good start here, folks.

887
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so far.

888
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 10: The tax evasion. Twenty years after his first major conviction,

889
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,440
he was convicted of tax evasion and sentenced to four

890
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,519
months in prison in one thousand hours of community service.

891
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 7: Now I don't know if this had anything to do

892
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,280
with it, but he was known later on in you know,

893
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,639
later in his career. Yes, two, he would ask his

894
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,639
rider would say he'd have to be paid in cash,

895
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,519
in a suitcase of cash in the back. I think

896
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:53,119
of a Lincoln town car, so we could drive himself

897
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,599
to and from the gig. So he's getting paid in cash.

898
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was to avoid promoters, you know.

899
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, everything, and you don't really have to claim claim

900
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,159
anything actions on it. That's you know, so that could

901
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:08,840
have been part of it.

902
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:13,559
Speaker 9: I don't know, but I think you're probably that's probably

903
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,199
kind of true there, Neil. I mean, I don't know.

904
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 5: He was a predecessor for no tax on tips.

905
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 9: There you go.

906
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:22,199
Speaker 3: So let's go on.

907
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,679
Speaker 9: What else did this young fella do here?

908
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 6: All right?

909
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,039
Speaker 10: We got drugs and weapons charges in nineteen ninety following

910
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:33,239
a raid on his home, authorities found marijuana and firearms,

911
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,239
which were illegal for him to possess.

912
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 9: Of the felon he faced.

913
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 10: He faced the charges, but in a nineteen ninety plea deal,

914
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,079
he agreed to two years of unsupervised probation on a

915
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:49,159
reduced marijuana misdemeanor charge. Okay, you think he would kind

916
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:50,880
of round it out. He's getting a little up there

917
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,800
in years. We're talking about nineteen ninety man born with

918
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:59,280
nineteen twenty seven sexual misconduct allegations. In the nineteen nineties,

919
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,280
he was soon for allegedly secretly filming women in the

920
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:09,400
bathrooms of his restaurant, Southern Air in Missouri, ew Yes.

921
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,639
He reached a multimillion dollar settlement with some of the plaintiffs,

922
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,280
though he denied the allegations. According to the Los Angeles Times,

923
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:23,199
all right, so, despite his criminal record, Barry's musical influence

924
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,480
remained massive, and the industry largely overlooked his legal troubles

925
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:32,119
during his lifetime, with peers often focusing on his artistic genius.

926
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:37,880
You know, drugs, firearms, you know, immoral behavior. In twenty eleven,

927
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,599
his hometown of Saint Louis approved an eight foot statue

928
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:46,159
in his honor, despite protests from residents who objected to

929
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,599
honoring a convicted felon. There you go, the lighter side

930
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:54,239
of Marvin's cousin, Chuck Chuck Berry.

931
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 9: Hope you all enjoyed.

932
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's quite the rap sheet.

933
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,199
Speaker 9: Really Yeah, well, you know it was a good one.

934
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:06,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a good one. My pick is probably

935
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:10,000
the least severe out of everybody's felony tonight.

936
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: So you have the palate cleanser so unusual?

937
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really do so, But I want to give

938
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,400
you the earworm. So picture a few notes lower than

939
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,039
if I go, hey, baby, who do you think of immediately?

940
01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 7: Oh?

941
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I can't go as low. The one and

942
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:34,480
only Barry White. One of the most distinctive voices I

943
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:37,559
would say of modern music belongs to Barry White. The

944
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:41,519
deep baritone voice that helped him become one of the

945
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,400
best selling artists of all time. He had twenty two

946
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,159
zero studio albums, plus who knows how many compilations and

947
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,280
different versions and blah blah. He wound up with sixty

948
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,239
five gold albums, forty one platinum albums, along with twenty

949
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,440
gold singles and ten plats them singles. His worldwide record

950
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:07,800
sales exceed one hundred million records. Wow, not too bad, right,

951
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,239
not too bad. He was born Barry Eugene Carter in Galveston, Texas,

952
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,199
in nineteen forty four. His father's name was Melvin White

953
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,920
and his mother was Sadie Carter. Sadie then found out

954
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:25,439
that Melvin already had another wife. They were not married,

955
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,760
but Melvin was, so when Barry was born, she gave

956
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,399
Barry her last name Carter. Well, Melvin saw Barry Carter

957
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,880
on the birth certificate and didn't like it, so he

958
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,279
took a pen and scratched out Carter and hand wrote white,

959
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:45,439
which is the nineteen forty four equivalent of putting liquid

960
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,199
paper on your computer screen because it doesn't change anything.

961
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,840
But as Barry grew up, he used the name White,

962
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,760
so there you go. Barry also had a younger brother

963
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,520
named Darryl.

964
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 9: His family.

965
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 5: They were in Texas because his his family was there,

966
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,079
so when she gave birth, the family was there to help.

967
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:06,439
They moved back to the Watts neighborhood in south central LA.

968
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:11,239
His mom was an actor turned piano teacher, so he

969
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,000
grew up listening to his mom's classical records. She gave

970
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:19,119
him piano lessons, so he started young, and his signature

971
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:22,439
bass voice pretty much popped up overnight when he was

972
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,720
around fourteen. He said in a few interviews that one

973
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,079
morning when he was thirteen fourteen, he woke up, walked

974
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:31,600
into the kitchen where his mom was and started to talk,

975
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,000
and his voice scared the.

976
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:33,520
Speaker 9: Both of them.

977
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,399
Speaker 5: At the same time, because it went from high pitch

978
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,680
and squeaky to Barry White overnight, which I can kind

979
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,079
of believe. As he grew up, he unfortunately found himself

980
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:48,680
involved in some gang activity. His younger brother Daryl was

981
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,359
killed during a gang related incident, and Barry himself was

982
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,520
arrested for stealing thirty thousand dollars worth of tires in

983
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,159
nineteen sixty Cadillac tires. Specifically, today those tires would be

984
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:04,560
worth in the neighborhood of three hundred and twenty thousand dollars,

985
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:09,399
so that would be a felony level offense there, grand larceny.

986
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,600
Barry was seventeen when he stole the tires. He only

987
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,640
went to jail for four months, even though it was

988
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,439
a felony. I'm guessing his age had something to do

989
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,479
with it, and it was probably a first not necessarily

990
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,720
first defense, but first defense. He got caught at maybe,

991
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:27,680
so he did his four months, and while he was

992
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,640
in jail, that's when he first heard Elvis Presley, which

993
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,119
he said changed the course of his life, specifically the

994
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:37,159
song It's Now or Never, which I happened to talk

995
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:42,199
about a few months ago. He spoke of another inspirational moment.

996
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,640
After he got out of jail, he skipped high school

997
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,560
on his eighteenth birthday and he hung out at the

998
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,920
Capitol Records building in Hollywood and watched all the activity

999
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,880
going on and saw like the business side of things,

1000
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:58,239
and that was it. He was reformed. He left both

1001
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:00,479
jail and gang life behind him. He was a one

1002
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,920
and done, which good for him, and he managed to

1003
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,960
start a musical career at several small record labels, both

1004
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:10,720
as a singer and behind the scenes as a producer

1005
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,119
and an A and R man. In the nineteen seventies,

1006
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,760
he was persuaded to step out on his own. He

1007
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,600
created a forty piece band called the Love Unlimited Orchestra,

1008
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,560
which remember that yep. So that helped usher in the

1009
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,520
disco era by combining R and B with classical style

1010
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,279
of music. The orchestra actually had string sections and all that,

1011
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,039
so it was a legit orchestra. He wrote a song

1012
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:40,640
titled Love's Theme in nineteen sixty five remember that, yeah Yeah.

1013
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,039
It wasn't recorded until nineteen seventy three with the Love

1014
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:49,000
Unlimited Orchestra that went to number one. So he had

1015
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:54,399
put together the Love Unlimited Orchestra to be the backing

1016
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,520
band for a girl group he produced and wrote for

1017
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,640
called Love Unlimited. The girls group had some success, but

1018
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,600
then they broke up, but he kept the orchestra for himself,

1019
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,520
which smart He wrote instrumentals for them, which also became

1020
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,520
hits in the nineteen seventies. So I note one of

1021
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,960
the saxophonists in the Love Unlimited Orchestra was a guy

1022
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:20,199
named Kenny Gorlic, who KENNYG would later go by Kenny G.

1023
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,319
Speaker 9: There you go, So any Gorlic was his name?

1024
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:28,119
Speaker 5: Can you understand why he went by Kenny G? Yes? Yes?

1025
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 6: So.

1026
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 5: By the early nineteen eighties, the orchestra stopped recording albums

1027
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,079
on their own, but again Barry kept them as his

1028
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,199
backing band moving forward, they did you know. Members would

1029
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,439
go in and out, but the orchestra still existed. Barry

1030
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,199
White was well established as the songwriter and producer at

1031
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,760
this point, and he was a respected singer in the

1032
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,760
inner circles. At this point, he wanted to find a

1033
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,479
new solo mail artist to produce and work with, so

1034
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,880
he wrote some songs and he recorded the demos him

1035
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,680
self in order to play the demos to pitch the

1036
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,359
songs to other artists. But his business associate, who was

1037
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,239
bankrolling all of this, heard the demos and said, no, no,

1038
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,359
you're gonna do these yourself. Good call. That decision led

1039
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:18,279
to all the hit singles that we know, all the

1040
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:20,640
Barry White songs that I don't think we even need

1041
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,760
to cover. Just they're all hits. You've heard them. I

1042
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,399
know you've heard them. Equally well known. Barry was a

1043
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,000
bit overweight, up to three hundred and seventy five pounds,

1044
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:36,800
give or take. At one point. He had the beard,

1045
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:39,720
he had a deep voice, and all of that earned

1046
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:46,439
him the nickname the Walrus of Love. In the UK somehow,

1047
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,640
Walrus of the Walrus of Love. That was more of

1048
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,439
a UK thing, not so much in the US. He

1049
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,880
did not appreciate it at first, but he later leaned

1050
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:03,079
into it and actually would use it himself. Yeah, that's

1051
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,000
a tough one. That's a tough one. I don't know

1052
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,439
if I'd want to go with that, but it is

1053
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,680
what it is. What can I say? In the US

1054
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,359
he picked up nicknames like Doctor Love, the King of Disco,

1055
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,119
and others. But nothing beats Walrus. You can't top wal.

1056
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1057
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: Walverses are kind of ruined for me.

1058
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:24,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'll never hear I am the Walrus.

1059
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 14: I agree, being being like happy and revolted at the

1060
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,079
same time.

1061
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,079
Speaker 5: Anytime you see a Walrush, you're gonna in your mind,

1062
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:35,239
you're gonna go hey, baby.

1063
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,359
Speaker 7: The Walls wasn't Paul, it was it was It was

1064
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,640
very well marry Yeah, yeah.

1065
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 5: Well. By the nineteen eighties, disco had fallen out of favor.

1066
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,880
Just ask doctor Johnny Fever on WKRP. He kept recording

1067
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,479
new material, it just didn't have the same success. But

1068
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,600
then in the nineteen nineties, disco had a resurgence and

1069
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,399
his popularity went back up. One of the tracks he

1070
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,399
recorded in the nineties was a song in Your Wildest

1071
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,840
Dreams with Tina Turner, which got him back on the charts.

1072
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:13,800
The highlight of his career, I would imagine would be

1073
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,039
his two appearances on The Simpsons. He was in the

1074
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:22,800
episode Whacking Day, which was a fake holiday in Springfield

1075
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,439
where they would gather up and beat snakes to death

1076
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,319
with a stick, and Barry was against it, so they

1077
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:32,039
used his deep voice to attract snakes into the Simpsons

1078
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:35,439
house to save them from being literally whacked to death,

1079
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,159
And he was on the episode Krusty gets canceled. Both

1080
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,079
of those were in nineteen ninety three. Totally worth watching.

1081
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,720
Barry was married twice. He had a total of nine kids,

1082
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:53,199
eight within the marriage and then one outside. At least

1083
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:56,319
two of them so far have sued the estate for money.

1084
01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:01,600
Good luck with that. I already suffered from some health

1085
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,600
problems because of his weight and his ridiculously heavy smoking.

1086
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,319
One estimate was in the neighborhood of one hundred and

1087
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:14,039
fifty cigarettes per day, per day, which I don't even

1088
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:15,119
know how you could do that, but.

1089
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's enough to kill a walrus.

1090
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1091
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to have like three in your mouth

1092
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,039
at one time.

1093
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it averaged out to one every seven

1094
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,600
minutes around the clock, which I can't I can't imagine.

1095
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,399
I cannot imagine. But on top of that, he was diabetic,

1096
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,640
and the diabetes caused kidney failure, excuse me. On top

1097
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,960
of that, he battled high blood pressure for years. He

1098
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:43,079
was not the picture of health. He was on dialysis

1099
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,479
while waiting for a kidney transplant, and in May of

1100
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,640
two thousand and three, he suffered a major stroke, which

1101
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,920
forced him into retirement, and the stroke also caused him

1102
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,800
to start having seizures and all these health issues unfortunately

1103
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,960
took him off of the transplant list, so he couldn't

1104
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,920
had a kidney transplant. He wound up passing away on

1105
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:05,520
July fourth, two thousand and three, and he was only

1106
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,600
fifty eight years old.

1107
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 9: Excuse me.

1108
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,159
Speaker 5: When you see pictures of him, it looks a little older.

1109
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,079
But yeah, fifty eight. I did fifty eight.

1110
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 9: He always seemed much older.

1111
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 5: He looked like he was born older when you see

1112
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,039
pictures of him. Yeah, he never looked young. He looked

1113
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:26,319
like he started in his late forties and not so much.

1114
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1115
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, so smoking's bad for you if you didn't get

1116
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:35,279
the message it, Yeah, so I thought, excuse me, I

1117
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:38,000
thought we would go back to the beginning and listen

1118
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:41,239
to his first single as a solo artist. It came

1119
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:43,800
out in nineteen sixty six, and he used the stage

1120
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:48,079
name Lee Barry for some reason, no explanation why. But

1121
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:51,760
the song is called man Ain't Nothing, So let's give.

1122
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,079
Speaker 6: It a listen.

1123
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 4: Amad is nothing, I don't woman, that's you and every reway. Yeah,

1124
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,800
I just want to tell you about this girl a man,

1125
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:35,520
and I want you to listen everywhere that I say,

1126
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:44,079
she's everything always that'll please.

1127
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,199
Speaker 6: God.

1128
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 7: Weason that you'll.

1129
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,359
Speaker 4: Tex says, we made.

1130
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:52,199
Speaker 13: Me so much.

1131
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,159
Speaker 4: She knows just what you do.

1132
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:03,079
Speaker 17: Whatever I'm feeling, sady, no matter if I'm able that

1133
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:14,680
she'll always be around. I don't need nobody else. She's

1134
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:28,760
enough all by her fair other me almost father, measiblest to.

1135
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:37,159
Speaker 7: Me to the mom, No mother, no moms.

1136
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: It's so hard to fin.

1137
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 13: I dot faster.

1138
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 4: Abody long time.

1139
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 6: But now that I found it, I'll tell you what

1140
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,399
I'm calling it.

1141
01:19:55,079 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 9: I'm gonna hold on to it.

1142
01:19:58,479 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 4: Aren't you my life?

1143
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:01,039
Speaker 6: Oh nothing?

1144
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: You ain't tell you Here's.

1145
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,520
Speaker 5: She's always that understand.

1146
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,279
Speaker 3: What's FSA wa to be head way.

1147
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,039
Speaker 6: My girl?

1148
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:17,520
Speaker 3: Excuse me happy nine.

1149
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 9: And lay this kind of hell?

1150
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 3: Every man, you really really really worm.

1151
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:28,399
Speaker 7: This conor little You've got the ad.

1152
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,199
Speaker 5: Met a woman, and Lord, it ain't a.

1153
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:33,079
Speaker 3: Woman that cares.

1154
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:34,279
Speaker 6: No.

1155
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: No, I've got the d world not ha to lock.

1156
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 17: And its old white.

1157
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 12: And that.

1158
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 5: Don't love me?

1159
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 13: You don't know for me?

1160
01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care.

1161
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 7: What's the thing.

1162
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 3: I don't say.

1163
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:59,159
Speaker 6: What are the wis I said I love? I said

1164
01:20:59,199 --> 01:20:59,560
I love.

1165
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,159
Speaker 5: I would say anybody in the music business back then

1166
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,199
who heard Barry White would have been nuts to let

1167
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:13,520
him go, because I mean, talk about distinctive. Another one

1168
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,399
of those that you know it's him. Yeah, whether you

1169
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:19,560
may like the music or not, you know it's Barry White,

1170
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,199
and you're going to spend the rest of the night

1171
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:26,720
walking around going oh yeah, and I'm not sorry about it.

1172
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:27,960
What else can I say?

1173
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 6: So that's it.

1174
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 5: He stole tires at the felony level, which I think

1175
01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:36,560
from from all our selections, tonight was probably the least serious.

1176
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,119
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, stole tires.

1177
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 5: Tires. Yeah, well they're worth a lot of They're worth

1178
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:42,359
how much more now?

1179
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1180
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,279
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they're ridiculous.

1181
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Speaker 7: Gary glitters are going.

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Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, So that's it, right, Yeah, lots of felons

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out there. It was hard to narrow it down that

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it was a good topic.

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Speaker 9: It was, yeah, thank you, it was. It was a

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tough one. It was a good one, but a tough one.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we're gonna have them because there was so many choices.

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We'll circle back and find some more in the new KA.

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Speaker 9: I think there's a few more out there to select.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot, there's definitely a lot. All right, let's

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pull the plug. This was a good one, so thank

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you Crambones. Excellent selections across the board, and we wish

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Mercedes the best of luck getting back on Earth, so

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hopefully she'll be back for the next show. So all right,

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thank you all for joining us here for the Rock

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and Roll History Show. Don't forget to subscribe in your

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for everybody. We'll see you next time with another brand

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new episode. Until then, have a great weekend and peace

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out everybody.

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Speaker 8: A rock cop bottom. Okay, bye bye.

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