WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.799 And the idea is that the only worldview which can 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:07.799 give a robust or coherent account of them is the 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:09.519 orthodox Christian worldview. 4 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:10.199 Is that correct? 5 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:12.439 Yeah, that's the way I steered the argument. 6 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:13.560 Yeah. 7 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.039 Yeah, And I just want to say, like, unfavorable also 8 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:17.320 to the idea that. 9 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.719 One has to compare world views. 10 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:22.839 So I think these people who sort of call on 11 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:25.719 and they go like, oh, prove to me that you're 12 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.800 better than all other world views in one argument, they're 13 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:33.600 kind of being silly. So unfavorable to that. Okay, But 14 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:36.439 my question is sort of a bit more fundamental. I 15 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:42.600 guess what is one? Why is one supposed to be 16 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:49.560 committed to explaining these facts? So take for example knowledge, 17 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.880 So let's take the true classical analysis of knowledge. 18 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:54.759 True justified believer. 19 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.240 Right, So what say it's the case that we do 20 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.280 a worldview comparison. 21 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:02.759 And you sort of managed. 22 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.319 To give me reasons to believe that I can't have 23 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.560 justification in all above terms. Why wouldn't my move at 24 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.439 that point be to just lower the threshold or what 25 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:19.359 I consider to be a justification, Like why isn't the 26 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.760 move then to just be to lower the conditions for 27 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.560 the supposed fact rather than to accept a world view 28 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:29.200 which in alignment with the strong. 29 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.799 Facts, well, I think it would just really weaken the 30 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.920 argument as a whole. And so, in other words, in 31 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:39.000 a debate setting, if you lower the threshold of what 32 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:42.319 council's justification for your position or your worldview, then I 33 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.319 can do the same thing, and then we're at just 34 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.480 an impasse. We're basically just surrendering what it means to debate. 35 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:54.680 No, so I don't thinker Perps, I wasn't speaking fully 36 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.640 accurately that what I'm trying to ask is that we 37 00:01:58.719 --> 00:01:59.359 have this fact. 38 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:03.319 It can be sort of appearances of knowledge or morality, 39 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:08.080 or the self or identity or causality or. 40 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:08.759 Something across time. 41 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.680 Now, in philosophical views, you can have strong and weak 42 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:15.639 versions of these views. Right, it seems that the transcendental 43 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:20.719 arguments category treats or having to explain the strong existence 44 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.360 of these viewes. But what is the reason to believe 45 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:25.840 that we are in the business and needing to explain 46 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.479 the strong existence of these things rather than the weak existence. 47 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:29.520 Of these things. 48 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:35.000 Again, because the comparison in the setting is in the 49 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.439 context of a debate. So in a debate, the argumentation 50 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.199 and the laws of logic are not typically seen as 51 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.719 things that are in some way weakly justified. They're assumed 52 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:52.599 to be some kind of objective measures and means by 53 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.319 which you could adjudicate the true in the false. So 54 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:58.599 if we just start weakening the positions to where none 55 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:00.879 of that is required again, and I would just repeat 56 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.840 my same point, like, well, then don't I do the 57 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.159 same thing, father deacon? What do you think of this? Yeah? 58 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:11.400 I mean it kind of first order knowledge, Like I 59 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:16.039 think we're all fine having the weak version rather than 60 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.159 a strong kind of Cartesian. 61 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.039 You know, our justifications and reasons. 62 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:24.800 Have to be indubitable and stuff like that at the 63 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:28.919 first order, none of us, I personally don't think, because 64 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.879 then nothing would count as knowledge. But it's a separate 65 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:40.360 question about overcoming global skepticism and providing the justification for 66 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.599 knowledge and morality itself. That's a different category. 67 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:46.759 So you could be open to. 68 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.560 Like, well, yeah, like we can establish that knowledge exists, 69 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:55.319 and how I'm finding a first order like having a 70 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.879 weak version, right, but arguing for a second. 71 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.759 Order, And that's a great point. 72 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:06.879 Yeah, in general is a different sort of thing it requires, 73 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:07.199 So we. 74 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:11.240 Can't just in that sense. Well, I'll I'll just weaken it. 75 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:11.800 So that. 76 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.719 Anything can work. I mean, how helpful is that going 77 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.399 to be? Because what's like, well, then could any paradigm 78 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:23.000 work for because we really want to. 79 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.399 Know is orthodoxy true? 80 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.959 People always miss that, is that they get caught up 81 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:30.839 in the kind of the weeds and the details. 82 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:32.920 But it's like, well, don't you want to know if. 83 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.720 Orthodoxy is true, if that's what actually grounds knowledge or not? 84 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:38.120 And so if we just. 85 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.360 Weaken at the level that level of justification, of overcoming 86 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.040 global skepticism and providing justification as a second order, then 87 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.279 anything just works. It becomes kind of arbitrary. It's like, well, 88 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:50.639 I guess any paradigm could work, and that that's certainly, 89 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.800 as Jay is saying in terms of debate of world views, 90 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:55.240 is not going to get us anywhere. 91 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.800 Yeah, I mean, if if you can lower the threshold 92 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:01.839 and opponent can do the same thing, and we're basically 93 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.879 just not getting anywhere, there's no not really any point 94 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.800 in doing the debate. I mean, you know, like probably 95 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:07.399 you can say like at that point, what then I 96 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.360 guess any conceivable worldview could then grant or meet some 97 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.560 standard or justification. Be bop, what's up? 98 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.959 I mute, Hey, what's up now? 99 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.199 What's on your mind? You can hear them? 100 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:20.439 Huh. 101 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:29.199 So I've been questioning lately the validity of Genesis and 102 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.920 how it relates kind of to like, uh, secular science 103 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.800 has been like painting out as like you know, the 104 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.120 layers of Earth, thousands of years. 105 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:39.000 Of sediment, et cetera. 106 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.879 And I was just wondering if you took genesis literally 107 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.399 or you know, in part figuratively or what. 108 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.279 Uh No I favor a young creation and uh early 109 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.279 date all that, Like, uh, I think so called secular 110 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.319 science is even more ridiculous than whatever you think is 111 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.079 ridiculous about Genesis. 112 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:04.759 I think morally, secular scientism is kind of retarded. It 113 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.120 kind of points out to like an ideal situation where 114 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.040 everyone just kills themselves because there's not really any morals 115 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.600 to be had, especially whenever if nothing is actually meaningful 116 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.399 in an existence where it's just. 117 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.839 Kind of like yeah, but I mean beyond the ethics, 118 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.199 which I agree with you, but like, I mean, if 119 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.959 you wanted to go the route of secular science, like 120 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.680 it can't tell you anything about all the principles that 121 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.399 it uses to come to its quote scientific conclusion. So 122 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.959 all the things that science uses which are out of 123 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:37.879 the domain of science, like induction, walls of logic, you know, 124 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:39.639 all those things. None of those things are actually the 125 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.480 priview of science or the regularity of nature over time. 126 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.480 I mean, all science relies on those things, and yet 127 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.120 none of those things can be proven by science. 128 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:48.600 Let me add too. 129 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.319 You know, aersol has this principle that when I'm playing 130 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.160 something that might be obscure or not clear, you go 131 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.959 to what's more clear, not more obscure. So it always 132 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.079 kind of baffles me when we have these kinds of 133 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.199 questions that people. 134 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:04.240 Go, well, let's go to science. 135 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.720 It's like, well, that's the most obscure, epistemically shaky kind 136 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.480 of disciplines that you could actually go. 137 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.439 Why would you go there to think? 138 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.920 I think the majority, like the consensus for you know, schools, for. 139 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:30.040 What the majority consensus of what you cut out. Dude, 140 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:38.959 we can't hear you. Maybe if you call back, I'll. 141 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:43.920 Bring it back. Logos epistemically shaky too. 142 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.360 Whatever the current theory is is going to change, So 143 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.920 you're grounding and making arguments from thrown out Like it's 144 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.720 like the same people that like go to higher textual criticisms. Well, 145 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:04.240 the consensus among you know, secular philosophy of religion people 146 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.199 is that it's like, wait, a couple of years and 147 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:08.319 it's going to be something else. 148 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:10.879 Yeah. I wanted to hear where it was going, but 149 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:17.680 he cut out, oh what's up name? Hey? 150 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:18.000 Uh? 151 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.480 So I wanted to ask about. 152 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:26.680 The stots, what you're coming in? Hello, ask about what 153 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:27.759 we're just repeat. 154 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.680 It about the menopha sites. 155 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.039 So I'm seeing this kind of tendency towards the cumunism 156 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:42.360 with the Monophosites, even though like the Christological position is 157 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:44.879 completely illogical. 158 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:49.240 Absolute, but also like I was speaking to my priests 159 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.759 at some point, and I remember you were talking about 160 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:57.320 different earlier liturgy is with the Protestant and I think 161 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.200 you mentioned lit said. 162 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:04.200 Mark, mm hmm. Well, I don't know. 163 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.159 If this is true, but my priest said about the 164 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:07.720 list of Saint Mark that it's not. 165 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.679 Actually something that can be traced back to Saint Mark, 166 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.039 that only the Monophasites, I think, attributed it to Saint 167 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.200 Mark from their own sort of monoposite tradition or something 168 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.240 that it was compiled that way. 169 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:24.840 I mean, maybe, I don't know. I've always heard that 170 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:31.240 it is an ancient liturgy. But I like, what you 171 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.960 could have a situation where there is an ancient liturgy, 172 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:38.519 maybe they tweaked it in later centuries. I mean, but 173 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.840 we do have, for example, the tradition that Mark did 174 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:48.600 found the church in Alexandria, right, yeah, okay. 175 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.799 Yes, So the kind of narrative I quote for my 176 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.679 priest was like, so you. 177 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.639 Have the list of Saint James, which eventually became the 178 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.200 basis for of the y Mischief of St. 179 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.559 But that apparently what the leason you have Saint Mark 180 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.960 was was a bunch of combinations. 181 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.639 Of different liturgical traditions and they just slapped Saint Mark's 182 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:10.120 name on it. 183 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:10.720 Apparently. 184 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.679 Okay, Well, I mean I'm not a liturgical scholar, but 185 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.960 I don't think that if if they did say repent 186 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:18.919 of their errors, I mean, I don't think they would 187 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.360 have to adopt some different liturgy. This just to me, 188 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.000 this just seems like a minutia. Okay, I mean, I 189 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.879 don't know, you know, so like even even the Orthodox 190 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.759 Wiki dates it to the fourth century. 191 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:38.480 Yeah, okay, So what you could have had is something that. 192 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.759 That Saint Mark gave some kind of nation kind of 193 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:50.519 version of uh, a liturgy of which and because we 194 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:56.600 know that again liturgies have developed and things were added, 195 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.919 and you get the the hull a nation of that, 196 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.360 you know, and I should say, the completion of it 197 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.720 by the fourth century. It's fine to call the Liturgy 198 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.679 of Saint Mark. It doesn't mean like in its completed form, 199 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:11.120 that's what. 200 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.720 Yeah, I mean the version that we have, I'm sure 201 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.240 of Saint John Chrystostom is not identical to what he did. 202 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.480 I don't know, but I'm just assuming. 203 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.600 And also regarding the both sides. 204 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.960 Like by the way, it looks as if the Orthodox 205 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:38.919 patriarch has done the Liturgy of Saint Mark, which I don't. 206 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.120 I mean, if this is some heterodox liturgy, I don't 207 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.879 think they would do it. I mean I could be wrong. 208 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:48.840 Maybe they're just doing it for you know, ecumenius reasons 209 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:57.679 or something. I don't know, but hello, are you there? 210 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:25.840 We seem to be losing everybody today. I mean, it 211 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.399 looks like they have done the Orthodox Church has done 212 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.960 the Liturgy of Saint Mark. Maybe you won't argue that's 213 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.480 that they shouldn't. I don't know. I didn't even think. 214 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.080 I didn't didn't even think this was some sort of 215 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.960 controversial issue. But whatever matter of the churgical scholar John 216 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:52.600 John Smith? What's up, John Smith? You want to um 217 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:57.960 you Michigan became a member for two months. Keep up 218 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.399 the great word, Jay. I'm proud of your success. Been 219 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.919 supporting you in any way I can since twenty twenty. Yes, 220 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.919 thank you, Michigan. I recall all of your beloved faithful 221 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.159 super chests over the years. I don't understand why you 222 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.519 got hello, Hello, Hey, what's up? 223 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:15.360 Hello? 224 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:22.480 So I've got two questions, Okay. My first is, so 225 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.360 I came up with this Protestant argument. I don't know 226 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.799 if I read in a YouTube comment or if I 227 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.480 dreamed it, but I was wondering what you thought about it. 228 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:38.799 So it's against abos dawks succession is the would be 229 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.200 the The point is that Saint Paul seems to be, 230 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:45.919 if not equal to Saint Peter. 231 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.559 He's he's a leader of. 232 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.080 The apostles, right and Paul or Peter. 233 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.080 Saint Paul is a I mean even in our liturgy, right, 234 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.399 Saint Peter and Saint Paul are the leaders. 235 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:01.279 Uh huh? 236 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.960 And I mean like acts is kind of divided up 237 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:06.440 between Saint Peter and then Saint Paul. 238 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.720 Yeah, well Peter Peter's apostle to the Jews and Paul 239 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.080 to the Gentiles. Yeah. 240 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:18.559 So the argument is that the is it Ax one 241 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:24.120 or Acts two where they choose Matthias one. 242 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:25.480 Yeah. 243 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.440 Uh, it seems like the Apostolics secession doesn't really take 244 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:36.200 because we don't hear from Matthias at all. I mean, 245 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.320 I think there's there's some extra biblical tradition about like 246 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:41.159 what happens. 247 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:42.600 To him, But that's an argument from silence. 248 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.039 How does that prove that appstoc succession doesn't follow because 249 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.279 we don't quote hear from him? 250 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:53.240 Again, Well, it's because Saint Paul doesn't really have the 251 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.639 Apostolic succession. It's like he was directly called by God, 252 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.360 So I guess that would be succession. 253 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:04.159 So what do you mean? Wait, say what? Jesus is 254 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:07.120 the one that appoints them right to be an apostle. 255 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.960 The word means to be one that is sent. So 256 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.320 Paul's becoming an apostle is one who is sent directly 257 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:14.000 from Jesus. 258 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.440 So he is an apostle, but he wasn't one of 259 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.960 the twelve and he wasn't so appointed. 260 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.600 Well, Jesus was alive. 261 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.480 Jesus is alive. So yeah, he was appointed. 262 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.720 And furthermore too, uh uh. 263 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:35.240 Blessed Saint Theophlock has a really good commentary on. 264 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.320 This is that you also see. 265 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:44.879 In at him being received considerably in terms of modality 266 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:50.519 by the other apostles as well, because there was a controversy. 267 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.240 You can imagine that like, well, how could he be 268 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.000 an apostle? 269 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:57.960 You know, the murder of Christians and stuff like that. 270 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:06.080 So his testimony of receiving and being apostolos from Christ 271 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.360 himself is received by the apostles, and you see this 272 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.679 play out in the Council of Jerusalem in Acts as well. 273 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.679 So that's apostols like he's an apostle. 274 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:26.240 The apostles themselves confirm the veracity of his testimony being 275 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.759 called by Christ himself, and so that's all you need. 276 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.639 Yeah, I mean that people are coming up with these 277 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.200 arbitrary things like no, no, to be an apostle means 278 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.519 that you have to have been in the presence of 279 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:44.480 Christ when he was alive. Dummies, Jesus is alive. Paul 280 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.440 is not having a vision of a dead Jesus. It's 281 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.600 the resurrected Jesus. What are you. What are you talking about? 282 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.080 This man? This stuff. I'm not trying to be mean, 283 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.080 but this is just silly. 284 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.639 Actually, who is also he was one of the twelve, 285 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.480 but he was of the seventy actually or. 286 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:12.200 Danes of the apostle Paul and receives him. 287 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.160 Yeah, I mean, look up Antonius in the book backs. 288 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:28.839 What's up man, Jason? All right, he can't connect Tallahassee. 289 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:47.880 You wanna try again? Yeah, Paul didn't change anything. I 290 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.359 don't know. It's just nonsense Islamic bullshit. 291 00:17:51.400 --> 00:18:07.799 What's up man, Timothy? 292 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.680 Hello, yep, hey, uh. 293 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:13.279 I've called a couple of times. 294 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.119 I want to point out some father Deacon said earlier. 295 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:21.359 Is it that all the Catholic professors he's around give 296 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:22.039 different arguments? 297 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:22.880 And I'm kind of confused. 298 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.960 I thought they all did the cash me outside policy 299 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:27.680 when they started doing debates. 300 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:29.279 At last debate I saw with the. 301 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:31.839 Catholic professor, he told you to cash him outside. 302 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:34.599 I'm trying to give you a bunch of money. 303 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:37.400 He's talking about at his Uh yeah, he's at a 304 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:53.119 Catholic college, So that's true. Jetters, what's up? Jeters? Jeters? Creepers. 305 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.440 These gender cheos have calmed me down from the bad arguments. 306 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:23.319 Jeter's unmute, limp bricks, lem Me pricks. What's that name? 307 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:37.319 Lem me pricks? U mute? Yeah, maybe something wrong with uh? 308 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:46.960 Maybe Twitter is not doing well today. That dog, I'm mute. 309 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:58.759 That dog, I'm mute. DGC rarities, that dog un mute. 310 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:12.240 It's weird. Auntie, straight white male fied dollars. Jay get 311 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.319 an anxiety pin like a real man. I don't have 312 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.440 anxiety problems. I don't know what you're talking about. I 313 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:21.079 just can go from zero to seventy five in anger 314 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:25.119 points if my blood sugar is low. What's up? 315 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:25.319 Man? 316 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.400 His internet broke today. I don't know what's going on. 317 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:37.880 Nobody can connect, nobody knows how to do a mic. Jeters, 318 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:46.039 you want to try again? I'm your Hey, Oh you're 319 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.359 right man. 320 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:49.160 I just have a couple of questions. 321 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.720 I'm pretty new to ORPHODOXI and I was wondering, So 322 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:56.240 I have an atheist family. I was wondering how I 323 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.880 would go about trying to get them on the right side. 324 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.400 I mean, I don't think you're going to ever convince 325 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.759 your family members with argumentation unless they ask you, So 326 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:10.960 I would just try to be super loving and nice 327 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.039 and then and then eventually they'll ask you questions and 328 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.559 then answer them. But do not try to argue with 329 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.960 your family slinger. What's up? Never works? 330 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:20.640 Hey? 331 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:21.680 Can you hear me? M? 332 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:28.880 Yeah, I just had a question. What is your guys views? 333 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:31.359 Because I know the Greeks and Russians have different views, 334 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.279 and I know it's kind of uh, just depends. 335 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:35.440 On the church. 336 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.079 What is your guys' view on like rebaptizing someone. 337 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.119 Uh, it's up to the bishop and the canons of 338 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.119 the Church that are interpreted by the bishop. 339 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:54.039 Okay, because I know rebaptist. 340 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.799 It's not a rebaptism, Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's just a 341 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:57.920 baptism where there's not. 342 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.119 Okay, because I know in the canons there was when 343 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:03.640 I was reading. 344 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:05.200 I remember, I don't know if it. 345 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.279 Was the second or the third Council, there was like 346 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.920 against people getting baptized again. 347 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.880 But I guess you guys, it's a case by case basis. 348 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.319 The count the Canons of the sixth Council give other 349 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.920 cases where people do have to be baptized because the 350 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.279 other baptism was not a baptism was not recognized. Okay, 351 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.200 I'll go read for example, the sixth Council says that 352 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:31.960 if it was a Unomian baptism, it doesn't it doesn't count. Okay, 353 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.359 all right, I'll so it's a case by case basis, John, 354 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:38.400 what's up. I'm just, man, I'm not trying to be mean. 355 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.640 I'm just so sick of that question, Dude. It's like 356 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:42.519 that in ps A. 357 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:42.799 Man. 358 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.039 If I have to answer and explain PSA in that 359 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.279 question one more time, I just I'm I'm gonna flip 360 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:51.119 the table, like Sam Hot, I'm just kidding. What's up? 361 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.920 Man Ullo? 362 00:22:55.279 --> 00:23:01.079 Yeah, So I had a question about uh men, and like, 363 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:06.240 is there any other like documentaries about governments muddying the 364 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.440 water that you would recommend? 365 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.119 I mean, there's a lot of documentaries that cover intelligence 366 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.759 operations and stuff like that. Like there's the one about 367 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.799 William Colby that's good that FDA recommended to me. I 368 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.599 forget the name of it, but it's William Coldy's son. 369 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:24.160 I think made a documentary about his dad. There are 370 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:30.880 documentaries about history of espionage CIA operations. There's millions of those. 371 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:36.720 But the only other thing about aliens being a syop 372 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.000 that I would recommend that's really good is the Collins 373 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.319 Brothers book Invoking the Beyond. But I'm not aware of 374 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:49.480 any other specific documentaries about alien syops. But great question exempted, 375 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.880 no face kill two dollars. Isn't it funny that Jews, Liberals, 376 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.480 Muslims all hate Paul? There is a commonality there that 377 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.759 they have this weird just like a Paul what's up? 378 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.319 Straight white male says an anxiety Pin is a Dean 379 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:20.039 Withers reference. I don't know who Dean Withers is. Is 380 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:32.559 that a stand up Dean Withers? Oh? Is that this 381 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:40.079 insane liberal dude? Let's see this? Cody and Joe? 382 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:40.559 Are you there? 383 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:43.920 Yeah? Oh? He is this kid? 384 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.920 This like liberal kid on TikTok the operative of the 385 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:48.759 Democratic Party. 386 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:51.440 Do I vape? 387 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.759 No, it's a fucking anxiety pen. It's an anxiety pin. 388 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:01.319 Joe? When will people get it right? Cody? 389 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:12.160 Yeah, listen to me, man, I've I've had it up 390 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.880 to here with people coming on this stream. 391 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:17.759 Is this trolling? He looks like he's about to laugh. 392 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.079 I can't tell this is fake or real. 393 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.359 And telling me that I vaked, Cody, I. 394 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.039 Need you to hear me when. 395 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:30.279 I say this, I don't vape. 396 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.319 And the fact that you would perceive me as a 397 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.880 person that would vape, that would smoke the nicotine. It honestly, 398 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.279 it makes me disheartened in the way that I'm presenting 399 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.440 myself to my community. 400 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:50.119 This seems like he's trying to be funny. I can't 401 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:51.160 tell this or not. 402 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.160 Because I guess what, It's not a fucking vape. It's 403 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:54.880 an anxiety. 404 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:55.079 Pin. 405 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.880 I'm sorry that I have anxiety, Okay, And honestly, yeah, 406 00:25:57.880 --> 00:25:59.319 it's kind of the thought of people like you that 407 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:00.000 want to come up. 408 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.119 And bully and burrabe me over something that I don't know. Okay, 409 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.359 so cut this shit. It's not a vape, all right, 410 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.200 It's an anxiety Pin. And God, God, the amount of 411 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.240 times that I've. 412 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.599 Asked you to respect me and respect my anxiety, PIN 413 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.920 is at this point getting ridiculous. 414 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.039 I can't tell if this is this serious or not. 415 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.119 I literally do not know they're paying They're saying it's 416 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.119 gay rage. I could see it could be in either one. 417 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.680 I've literally never seen this good. I think Andrew debated him, 418 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.279 but I've never seen him. I don't know anything about why. 419 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.920 By the way, why is anybody listening to fifteen year 420 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:37.799 olds like this? Dude looks like he's fifteen. 421 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.759 No fifteen year old has any information or knowledge about 422 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.799 the world that you should ever listen to at all. 423 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.759 No fifteen year old can tell you or teach you anything. 424 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.759 This dude literally looks like he's mat me thirteen. What 425 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.000 kind of freaking thirteen year old tell you about the world? 426 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.839 Nothing that he probably has a million subscribers too. I 427 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.720 think this is what's going on. The whole world is 428 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:07.359 becoming infantilized. And everybody quit reading books and they listened 429 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.640 to thirteen year olds on TikTok and now everybody's done. 430 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:11.440 That's what's going on. 431 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.759 Yeah, you know, I did a whole stream on that. 432 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:20.359 There was, you know, an actual push a personal and 433 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.440 infantilization of society. Yes, playing with toys and I mean. 434 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:33.559 Yes, funko pops this kid whatever. This is this democratic science? Yeah, 435 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.000 this is like the democrat. I think you're right. This 436 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.440 is like, let's take a young thirteen year old white 437 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:43.359 boy and how can we speak to young white males 438 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:46.319 to make them into faking gay democrats? 439 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:50.960 Cody Ya, So please justified for the final and uh, 440 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.599 for the billionth time, will you please just respect the 441 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.960 fact that it's none of it in medicine anxiety open. 442 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.799 Get it right, thirteen year old, fifteen year old? 443 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.960 Yeah and yeah, exactly, and. 444 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.960 It's the whole I mean, you see this as a 445 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.039 total sy op. 446 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.200 To in Hollywood what the kids know best. 447 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:15.519 Right. 448 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.160 Oh, that's a great point. Yes, in movies, the kids 449 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.839 always know what's up, and the parents are like them. 450 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:22.279 The parents are dumb. 451 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.240 Yeah, we're gonna have Lord of the Flies with the children. 452 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.720 Exactly because they they're the ones that know. You see. 453 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.400 Speaking of one of the best all time Jamie Kennedy 454 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.720 skits is Child Island, and uh, this is exactly what 455 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.440 we are. This one is so great if you've never 456 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.200 seen this one, this is one of my favorite all 457 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.400 time skits where Jamie predence to be a Hollywood producer 458 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.839 that's going to produce the reality show kind of like Survivor, 459 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.960 but it's with kids and it's called Child Island, and uh, 460 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.839 each tries to sell it to these parents as this 461 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:05.200 like greasy Hollywood producer. The funniest part of the whole 462 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:10.519 thing is the promo of the kids on the island 463 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.559 that he's showing to the parents in real time. I'm 464 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:17.160 not going to play the whole clip, because you guys 465 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.960 should watch it. But it's literally it's one of his best. 466 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:21.319 This one is this. 467 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.839 Probably starts in the eighties too. You know even these 468 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:24.359 are a great show. 469 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:28.079 Yeah, exactly withies exactly, Yes. 470 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.240 Like the kids the parents are dumb, Yes, and kids 471 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.480 is the detector. 472 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:34.559 Maybe even starts. 473 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:46.000 Children are on a remote island with just on their backs. 474 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:51.359 They must forage for food, for shelter, for their very lives. 475 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.720 The best part of this whole skit, which, by the way, 476 00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:58.880 the parents being willing to some of them are actually 477 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.359 willing to put their kids on this isl one. It's 478 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:05.200 kind of weird. But this is the funniest part right here, 479 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.519 and it's there's the Lord of the Flies joke throughout 480 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:08.000 this video. 481 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.119 Welcome to the final chapter in reality television. 482 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:13.240 Welcome to. 483 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:40.319 Child. 484 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.640 The funniest part is the hog. When they fast motion 485 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.279 the hog. That just gets me for some re. 486 00:30:50.440 --> 00:31:10.039 Yeah, and they have presently. 487 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:11.680 What do I do? 488 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:22.599 Let school on the park? 489 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.960 Forget who they were, who they are? 490 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.759 I miss I missed the hogs. The hog part, that's 491 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.279 the best part. Go watch this whole skin. I can't 492 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:46.880 play the whole thing. 493 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.359 But by the way, this is literally my apartment complex. 494 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.839 We have a whole Lord of the Flies children's civilization 495 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:53.519 chairs where. 496 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.440 They all around wild like really yeah, they don't seem 497 00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.359 to have any parents. They don't go to school, and 498 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:03.920 they're all just out like building forts and fires and 499 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:09.400 running around spears. I mean, good thing they're not on 500 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.839 you know, the technology, but they're literally I make jokes about. 501 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.880 Four of the Flies. Yeah, here's the hog snort. He 502 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.440 that fast motion hog man. That just gets me for 503 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.599 some reason. All right, what's up, dude. Welcome everybody from 504 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.480 the Crucible. We are watching Jamie Kennedy experiment clips some 505 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:38.400 of the best. 506 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.359 Because I don't know how we got on child Island. 507 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.319 But somebody has a good joke here. They said, nowadays 508 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.279 child Island has a different meaning. I think he's telling 509 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.079 Aboutjeff Stin, mceffrey, no face killer, straight white, mall five dollars. 510 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.039 The left calls this what's this kid's name, Dean Withers. 511 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.480 They call him there Joe Rogan, whoa dude, I can't 512 00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:59.920 it's hard to believe some of the stuff is real. 513 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:05.640 Let's see who's next. 514 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.599 That's how we got on it. 515 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:12.079 Because we're talking about the. 516 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:16.519 Sigh, Yeah, exactly, everybody being like a kid and looking 517 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.960 to this like thirteen year old child for wisdom and God. 518 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.400 By the way I talked about that, they didn't rage 519 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.240 too because I remember the first when I was when 520 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:27.920 I was a child. 521 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.480 I remember when you know, eighteen or whatever, went. 522 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.799 To the first rave and I was like, this is crazy, 523 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.119 Like everybody's running around with pacifiers and like the girls 524 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.200 are holding dolls and they've got all. 525 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.480 The interesting Yeah, why would everybody be acting like a 526 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.039 kid at a rave? That is weird? 527 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.319 Yeah, like it was, I mean, the girl what do 528 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.359 they call them candy girls or something like that, candy kids. 529 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.240 Yeah, look at they're. 530 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.599 All wearing like kids, beads and pacifiers. 531 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.400 In their mouth. 532 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.559 And I knew even back Dan, and you know, I wasn't, 533 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.039 you know, completely aware of a lot of stuff. 534 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.199 But I'm like, this has got to be a CI. 535 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.760 So the culture of Eversis does not say that you 536 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.840 could I talk about promp booties. What's up? 537 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.199 Zeesh? 538 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:21.679 I'm you Ridge pounder five dollars? That sounds weird. Ridge 539 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.880 pounder five dollars. Thoughts on Borrow's Walden did don't even 540 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.440 make it through that book I was boring as hell. 541 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.119 I had that in a grad grad lit class and 542 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.119 I was like, I am not going to finish this book. 543 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.079 I don't like any of these trans and dentalists. They don't. 544 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:37.960 This is not my vibe. 545 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:38.440 Dude. 546 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.320 Men have become tools of their tools. Yeah, you know what, 547 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.400 maybe I should revisit it. Maybe I would like it now. 548 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.119 Rachel Wilson What's up? Became a member. 549 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.039 She gives gifts ten memberships. Props to Rachel for that 550 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.320 much appreciated shout out to the Crucible and all the 551 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:55.079 people over there. 552 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.079 Welcome everybody. Everybody to the limit, everybody to the limit. 553 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.320 Ze on, mute man, it's open debates. 554 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.119 Everybody in the place to be what you're gonna do? 555 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.519 Heyj oh we got a we got a legit British 556 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:11.400 raver in the house. 557 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:12.559 What's up dog? 558 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:13.519 Yeah? 559 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.559 Hey man? Yeah, No, I just wanted to say it 560 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.000 was good. I chimed in today to check the. 561 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.760 Courtney Courtney thing that you did on the whole transhumanism 562 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:25.559 and everything. 563 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.559 Was really the Dark Enlightenment bros. Yeah all that. 564 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.159 So yeah, I just wanted to say, I build anti 565 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:37.719 nano technology, so based on all this kind of Internet 566 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.280 of everything, Internet of things, all that kind of stuff, 567 00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.920 and yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, it 568 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:45.599 was good, what it. 569 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.559 Was good, what she was covering. And I kind of 570 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:49.920 focus on like the low. 571 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.559 Tech versus the big tech, or kind of like David 572 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:53.679 and Goliath. 573 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.679 And listening to what you guys were saying. 574 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.760 It's like, there's so much emphasis put on this AI 575 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.360 being so what it isn't And I kind of always 576 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:09.320 say it's based on compartmentalized stupidity, like compartmentalized science. And 577 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.639 I've gone right back to the nineteen hundreds to when 578 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.079 you know, when the medicine was medicine, the food was food. 579 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.199 The technology was technology. 580 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.039 It's really interesting because when you look at the literature 581 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.679 there's an electrotherapy museum in Florida, you can see that 582 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.440 they were based on truth. I think obviously there was 583 00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.119 none of this new age garbage and all that kind 584 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.920 of stuff. So they incorporate the ether back then, which 585 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.000 I think is a missing thing. 586 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.159 So the analog, which me and you have been around, you. 587 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.239 Know, the hip hop, all that kind of stuff, the 588 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.599 original music. The analog technology, I think is one of 589 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:46.599 the things that disrupts this digital reality that people think, 590 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.679 you know, is what it is. But I think we've 591 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.800 I think we've won this battle anyway. I think it's 592 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.199 that during Corona, I realized that so many people were 593 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.840 focused on government, not God, and I kind of leaned 594 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.679 more towards God at that point theologian. 595 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:02.039 But anyway, I. 596 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.639 Just want to share that there's so much that we 597 00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.719 can do, like with all the geo engineering, thet you know, 598 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.840 the interoperability, all that kind of stuff that you hear 599 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.800 about in the crypto to remain human. I think that's 600 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.519 what we're doing. How do I remain human? I sort 601 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.880 of to chime in. I thought it was a really 602 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.400 good podcast. I don't know her work, so it was 603 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.320 quite good to listen to, and I just wanted to 604 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.440 share that there's and also you mentioned you mentioned the 605 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.360 Bucky bulls. That was funny when you mentioned the buggy 606 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.400 bulls and you so just about because you said your stack, 607 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.039 you know, your chuck and all that stuff, which I 608 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.199 think I've got to try it. 609 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.280 But there's a lot of tricksters as well, with you. 610 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.559 Know, people taking all this C sixty from. 611 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.400 These goofy gurus. 612 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.679 So it's really important, I think now more than ever 613 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.079 you talk about it quite a lot. 614 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.800 You know, and I function brain. 615 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.480 Cells to discern even in amongst all of our world, 616 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.320 there's a lot of tricksters trying to turn people into nanobots. 617 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.840 Give give me your twenty three bit cool, you know. 618 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.559 But yeah, so so I see a lot of people 619 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.679 from the C sixty the sea lights and the stupidity 620 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.840 is just crazy, and you see it with a lot 621 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.599 of the fake technology. 622 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.039 And all that kind of stuff. 623 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.920 But anyway, I want to chime in and say here 624 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.559 and you know, keeping. 625 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.400 Yeah, shout out to our UK bros. Appreciate that. 626 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:19.559 Ze. 627 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:24.639 We've got a lot of based and ritpilled out there. 628 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.000 Chase Haguard, excuse me, excuse me, trusse A Haguard. 629 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.400 That's not my name, Please pronounce my name. 630 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.840 I assumed it was some sort of pompous French thing. 631 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.760 I don't know, trust a guard. 632 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.519 Yeah, no, it's not my name, and I don't appreciate it. 633 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.400 And I tried to come in here in good faith. 634 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.559 But you can. You could clip me, and you can 635 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:49.679 clip me and expose me. 636 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.000 Now, yeah, exactly. 637 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.920 Now, I just wanted to kind of piggyback on what 638 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.360 what the proire. 639 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.280 Call say podcast that you forgot. 640 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:05.960 Who's the guy you were talking about AI EPT and 641 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:06.320 all that. 642 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.519 I've been cutting out the previous guy. 643 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.480 No, it's chases merging with AI. That's what it's got. 644 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.840 No, No, I should be I should be good now? 645 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:18.280 Am I good? 646 00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.039 Yeah? 647 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:21.760 Okay, sorry about that now. 648 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.599 I was saying the prior caller was bringing up that 649 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.199 podcast interview you did with the guy I forgot, the 650 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.960 podcast owner. But you were talking about chat EPT and 651 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.679 Grock and AI and stuff, and the caller was talking 652 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.920 about trying people trying to stay human. 653 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.679 And I think that's a It's an interesting thing. 654 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.239 That's gonna happen where I think people are gonna gravitate 655 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.960 more towards real human things that you've already seen. It 656 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.079 actually happen in music where some of the top pop 657 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.280 music right now as out of Time drums played over 658 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.239 drum machines. And I think there's an opportunity for people 659 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.360 to do what you're doing, people to make real art 660 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.760 because I think people are gonna crave after it, and 661 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.599 there could be an element of propert evidence in this. 662 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.000 Yeah, people are gonna want real, real authenticity. They're gonna 663 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:09.039 want real human stuff. The the the Ai like fad, 664 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.239 I think for entertainment will kind of get old in 665 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:12.880 my view. 666 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.039 Yeah, absolutely, and it's it's already happened. If you look 667 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.760 at when like pro tools and all, you know, digital 668 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.639 music and computers got powerful enough for studios to switch 669 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.880 from running everything on tape. Everything got what's called quantized, 670 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.639 where everything was smacked to the grid and then and 671 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.159 that happened throughout all the pop music and now some 672 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.360 of the top charting stuff like this, you know these 673 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.559 Sabrina Carpenter tunes. The guy who produces it, he's a 674 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.760 really good producer. He's putting things out of out of 675 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.639 time and out of tune on purpose, and the average 676 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.000 listener is not noticing it, and they're feeling that it's human, 677 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.880 even with this big pop stuff. So I think things 678 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.920 will switch another way, where again some people will just 679 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.639 gobble up a slop, but other people, you know, making 680 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.639 things that have character and are human and ute vibe 681 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.119 to them, those are gonna thrive in my opinion, and 682 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:11.960 it's already happening. 683 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.440 We've seen it over the last five years and especially 684 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:15.039 this last year. 685 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.360 You look at the biggest artists, whether you like it 686 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.159 or not, Sabrian and partner. There's all types of organic 687 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.800 you know production there that pushes things out of time 688 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.920 and all this, and I think it's interesting. 689 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.559 There's an interesting conversation being. 690 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.000 Out you were you on the discord with my brother 691 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.320 with the sound engineers because he told me this topic 692 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.159 kit They did this a VC with the rest of 693 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.320 the producing sounds on this exact topic. 694 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.880 I was just wondering because. 695 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:43.719 I know I'm on that I'm on that server with 696 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.199 your brother and I hang out there a lot, but 697 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.920 I was not there for this conversation. 698 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:48.559 It's interesting. 699 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.880 That's funny because that server as some of the biggest 700 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.679 engineers in the world on it, and I haven't talked 701 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:54.679 to them about this at all. 702 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.159 Well, I do have to point out that Chase is 703 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.239 intentionally subverting what I'm going to be doing in the future, 704 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.119 and he knows it. It's a very subtle way for 705 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.119 him to try to to try to destroy my DJ 706 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.719 career before I get started. He knows good and well 707 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.400 that I'm going to transition into being DJ dong Butter, 708 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.599 the hottest nineties raver DJ out there. He thinks he 709 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.039 can come in and get ahead of me and despoil 710 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.280 the entire EDM genre, which I will be taking over 711 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.239 very soon, and it's not gonna work. Chase, it's not 712 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.880 gonna work. 713 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:25.159 I thought. 714 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.480 I just want to point out that Jay said that 715 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.440 the EDM genre I'm going to despoil it. 716 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.920 So you guys now know that Jay worships DM. EDM 717 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.880 is his god. He does believe in natural theology and 718 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.400 all the music actually leads to M. But I thought 719 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.440 you were going to be DJ filth pool Man. 720 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.960 No, no, no, that was my old name before before 721 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.360 my last ayahuasca trip, and the entities told me that 722 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.840 that was not the right name. So Chase, it's not 723 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.599 gonna work. Try again. But thank you for your comments. 724 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.960 We appreciate you. JR. What's up, dude? You can't stop 725 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.880 the DJ train as it's coming to the station. Dute, dude, 726 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.239 we're en route to tran Central. 727 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:08.920 Uh. 728 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.599 I had to billy ten dollars I just joined your stream. 729 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.599 Did you cover the fact that the Greek Orthodox Arsidiocese 730 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.960 priest was going after Orthobros? This is so like, this 731 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.800 is so twenty sixteen seventeen, right, the Orthobro movement, this 732 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.719 is yeah, We're a giant political force. We're going to 733 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.360 take over Maga as the Orthobro movement. So, yes, it's 734 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.320 a very dangerous movement, the ortho Bros, which literally started 735 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.920 from FDA in a picture that he took making a joke. Yes, 736 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.360 it's a very dangerous political movement, so be very afraid. 737 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.079 Never actual like leftists and subversis. 738 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.719 And yeah, where's his videos going after all the leftism, 739 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:57.320 all the ecumenism. No, no, no, the danger is the Orthobros. Yeah, 740 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.800 what's up? Man? Jq ja kwan? What's up? I like 741 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:08.199 that ad? Hello? Is that the internet is broken today? 742 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:18.679 What is going on? Are there? Try again? Are you there? Yeah? 743 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.320 Can you hear me? 744 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:20.239 Barely? Go ahead? 745 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.679 I like that ad that Chase just inserted. 746 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.320 Oh here we go another one of these people from 747 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.840 the real music world that plays real instruments and real 748 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:32.840 gypsy jazz. 749 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.760 Dude, Gypsies don't even exist. Okay. Gypsies are crisis actors 750 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.599 that were hired to play. They wear brown face. They're 751 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.440 not even a real thing. And now we got guys 752 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:43.920 who are. 753 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.599 Professional gypsy jazz players that play real instruments. They're coming 754 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:48.920 to destroy my DJ career. 755 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.199 That's why they're here. I want you guys to know 756 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:57.239 this gypsy jazz. What does that share? Is that share? 757 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:04.119 Chase, Chase, Chase thinks that is Sabrina Carpenter Native ad 758 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.079 that he got paid for by whatever record company he's working. 759 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:10.000 Doctor Luke, Doctor Luke. 760 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.559 Yeah, no, I wanted to comment on stuff we've talked 761 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.800 about for years that father, uh Deacon and nice was 762 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.079 bringing up. There is all the John Hughes films are 763 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.800 designed to undermine parenting, every single one of them, from 764 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.199 his beginning An Animal House to his last film, Look 765 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:35.239 Who's talking. 766 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:37.119 Home Alone? 767 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.440 Every single every single one of them. 768 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:41.400 The parents are dumb. 769 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:47.360 Every adult is stupid in the film, uh Breakfast Club. 770 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:47.639 Of course. 771 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.159 Uh, you know it's it's a dumb principle that gets 772 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.159 the you know, wolf pulled over his eyes for the 773 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.599 entire day. 774 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.639 Baby dude, remember that move. 775 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.320 Baby geniuses? Look who's talking? 776 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.960 All all the all those films are all Johnny, I 777 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.360 mean John Hughes wrote, even the films that he didn't direct. 778 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.639 Yeah, good point. Now, this is a great point. This 779 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.320 is subversive totally, it. 780 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:16.239 Really it really was. 781 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.079 And most of the films like the time period that 782 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.000 we grew up in, which is good, you know, stuff 783 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.920 like goonies, even even in goonies or films like that, 784 00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.920 the parents aren't even around. So it's like it's not 785 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.199 even that parents. Even in some of it, it's like 786 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.360 it's not even that the parents are dumb. 787 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:36.920 It's just there is no parents at all. 788 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.039 And we all know about children of the corn. The 789 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:47.639 children are now Malachi's now the religious leader, and I mean, 790 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:49.599 come on, village dude. 791 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.760 The kids are actually alien entities. Thank you. By the way, John, 792 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.559 appreciate that the children are the alien entities come to 793 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.960 take over their little their little psychopaths. By the way, 794 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.400 Tipsy's tramps and thieves. That's the only thing I know 795 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:11.400 about gypsy jazz is that share a song. Kyle five dollars. 796 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.880 I want to see you Orthodox creators tackle little season theory. 797 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.760 That's all over YouTube. Yeah, Orthodox people don't get into 798 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.159 evangelical end times nonsense, so it's probably not gonna happen. 799 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.800 We're partial preterists. Many of us Kelly's silver five dollars. 800 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:38.440 Have you seen Zathura Zathura? They completely s X utilized 801 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.360 Kristen Stewart, uh No, I don't even know about that. 802 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:49.159 Never heard of that. Zura in a interesting well, she's 803 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:55.400 isn't she like genderly ambiguous nowadays? So that doesn't surprise me. 804 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:59.880 If a lot of these Hollywood people get groomed into 805 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.440 all kinds of weird stuff, and that's probably what has 806 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.960 messed them up. EA became a member. When is your 807 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.159 next open question? I mean it's right now. I want 808 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:11.719 to call in, but it's not on the topic. But 809 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.519 the topic is all topics, so how could it not 810 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.320 be on topic? Just just call in, dude? What are 811 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:23.840 you talking about? We're going back up. These guys just 812 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.840 want to destroy my DJ career. They know I want 813 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.440 to be the next hottest nineties rave DJ, and they're 814 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.880 already their front running me to destroy my career. 815 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:32.320 Cost you. 816 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:51.199 What's up? Good day, sir? What's on your mind? What's up? 817 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.159 First off, back to the Harlan show. I wanted to 818 00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:54.679 talk about that. 819 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:56.039 I knew you were going to talk about. That's why 820 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:56.719 I brought it back up. 821 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:01.239 Go ahead, Oh yeah, I want to say, like you 822 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:02.320 you brought up Mark Marin. 823 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.760 I have no idea who this Harlan guy is. 824 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.960 But he seems very much like that boomer mentality that 825 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.639 you were talking about, and. 826 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.360 He had annoyed He like saw some of Sam Hide. 827 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:17.239 Clips thought he knew how to handle him, and that's interesting. 828 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.199 This is why Sam Hide went guerrilla mode because. 829 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.119 This Harlan dude, he just thought Sam Hide was like 830 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.559 a nonsense content creator. 831 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:26.480 Interesting. 832 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.199 He didn't realize the layers that Sam Hide puts in, 833 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.920 and that all the value in Sami's content is those 834 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.840 kind of satirical layers. Yeah, he thought he thought, let's 835 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.559 talk about oh, just saying funny thing about Brazilians, that's 836 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:40.599 what Sam Hide does. 837 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.519 But he he just kissed Sam Hide by misunderstanding. 838 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.960 Yeah, I think if you heard the wine mom that 839 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.320 called in earlier to explain that I'm licking Sam Hides 840 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.000 but to get popular or whatever. She also had a 841 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.119 similar take like. 842 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.159 Sam isn't funny and he just has to spurg out 843 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.639 because he doesn't know what to do and he doesn't 844 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.920 know what's fun I mean, it's like, what are you 845 00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.840 talking about? This is not even close to reality. 846 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.679 But I didn't even think about, like, what did Harlan 847 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.880 Williams know about Sam Hi. He probably thought it was 848 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.599 just some like random you know, TikTok guy or something 849 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.639 like who knows what's going on? And I think he's 850 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.280 more gen X, but maybe he's a gen X with 851 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.199 a boom er mindset. I don't know, but I would 852 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.840 have thought this would work well because Harlan Williams has 853 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.239 always been this sort of like whoa, he's so quirky 854 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.039 and he's so odd ball, you know what I mean? 855 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.280 Yeah, I mean I can see where it kind of 856 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:35.800 just got off on the wrong foot. 857 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.159 It seemed like Sam I was actually upset. 858 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.119 Well, I have heard some I've heard some conflicting reports 859 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.000 that know. Actually Sam was getting annoyed. 860 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:49.719 So the other topic I joined a little late, but 861 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.719 you might have been talking about it. I mean, Epstein, 862 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.760 what is going on? Like? 863 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.440 First off, I mean, it's a huge Trump fail. They're 864 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.480 they're covering it up and it's a huge Trump Phil 865 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:01.639 That's that's what's going on. 866 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.360 I guess. But that seems a little too obvious, don't 867 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:04.719 you think? 868 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.920 Well, no, why can't a lot of things are obvious? 869 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.440 Why was that too obvious? What do you mean? I mean? 870 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.639 I did. I did an hour long interview with the 871 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.960 guy who broke all this stuff originally, Nick Bryant, and 872 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.840 you know, okay, yeah, I mean I think that probably 873 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.400 even more so than like the PDF stuff, there's probably 874 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.800 like financial crime stuff that's being covered up, like in 875 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.480 other words, high level lobbyists, banking elitees that are compromised, 876 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:39.199 and the word has gone out. You know, you cannot 877 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.480 let this get out. And it obviously it relates to 878 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:42.559 the Israeli stuff too. 879 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.559 And Alex had Ah, what's that judge. 880 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.519 On Napolitanum No the black dudes. 881 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:56.000 Yeah, and that's exactly what he said to that. 882 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.599 You know, the way this works is, you know, you 883 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.400 have operatives and stuff like this, and there's compromising information 884 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.239 and it's actually quite complicated that they obviously don't that's. 885 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.320 One of the reasons why they're kind of bearing this. 886 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.159 I that's if that's the case, and it is kind 887 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.239 of you know, as we're all expecting it to be. 888 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.840 That's just the end of Trump. And I mean he's 889 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:25.800 just over right. 890 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.159 I mean, I don't it's not going well. I don't 891 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:33.440 see anybody defending it except for like the you know, 892 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.960 Ben Shapiro sphere, like you know, fible Mouskowitz is the 893 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.280 only one that's defending it. 894 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:41.440 Yeah, tells me something. 895 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.239 Nobody likes my fible Mouscuwitz joke. I thought that was 896 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.039 like a really funny, Like, does nobody know who's Nobody's seen? 897 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.360 My jokes just don't land anymore. I think I'm just 898 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.679 I'm speaking into the void of a bunch of people 899 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.639 that are dead and gone, and nobody knows these references. 900 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:04.320 I mean, nobody's seen five Mouskowitz, that's he's been Shapiro anyway. 901 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:11.000 I thought it was funny, Zachary, what's up? You're wrong 902 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.840 to say that Sam Hyde is super funny. In fact, 903 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.000 many people doubted that he could do stand up. He 904 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.079 even doubted himself. His standard routine is off the hook. 905 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.280 It's legit awesome. I'm not just saying that because I 906 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.280 write for the Sam Hide Show. He's his stand up 907 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:39.719 is really funny. What's up, man, Zachary, I you JT 908 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:44.920 thirty one two dollars. You guys are underestimating Harlan's layers. Interesting. 909 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.480 I'm really enjoying everybody's takes on this pot this wild podcast. 910 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.559 I mean, I'm not a Harlan hater. I don't dislike Harlan. 911 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.159 I don't think he is. That's what I'm saying is 912 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.800 like you've got when you go back in time into 913 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:03.760 the nineties and two thousand and you think about oddball comics. 914 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.440 You've got like a Steven Wright, You've got Harlan Williams, 915 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.679 You've got you know, Mitch Hedberg is kind of an 916 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:16.440 oddball style comedy guy. Tom Green is kind of an 917 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:23.639 odd ball troll comedy guy. Uh. And so I would 918 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.840 have thought that they vibe well together. I don't know, 919 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:35.800 what's up man, I'm but also. 920 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.480 Too, I mean, you can also have a situation where 921 00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.199 maybe they would have vibed under the right situations right right, 922 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:44.400 like maybe maybe somebody's having a bad day, you know, 923 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:44.960 maybe they. 924 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.280 Were just tired. And I mean I've been on podcasts, 925 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.599 even big podcasts, where I'm like, all right, I'm ready 926 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:52.920 to get out of here, all right, you know, I 927 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:54.480 need to leave before I get mad, you know what 928 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.119 I mean. So this that does happen too. What's up, man? 929 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.159 Are you gonna i'mute or not? Zach? Oh my gosh ude, 930 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:06.519 what is going on with just the internet just broken today? 931 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.199 Somebody hacked the internet? What's up? Hunter? What's up? 932 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.360 Can you hear me? Yes, sir, hey, since it's any topic, 933 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.079 I've got like two like semi goofy questions. 934 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.639 To ask, Yes, please do please, don't ask me about 935 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.840 PSA and rebaptism. I'm gonna start saying any topic but that, 936 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.320 and then we're good. 937 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.119 Well of My two questions are, do you think people 938 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.320 can like literally sell their souls to Satan for like 939 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.639 musical talent, and if so, listening to people like the 940 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.679 Beatles or Valling Stones led Zeppelin that credit their talent 941 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:46.159 to Satan. 942 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.280 I don't know how that would happen if you literally could. 943 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.639 I think mostly it's an analogy to selling out to 944 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:04.079 the industry. Okay, I don't typically listen to led Zeppel 945 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:08.480 one of the Beatles anyway, just because I don't like 946 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.159 I liked it when I was a teenager, but I'm 947 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:16.920 not a teenager anymore. So I mean I would say 948 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.480 in the okay, I would say in the realm, like 949 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.480 in the in the domain of music, unless it's just 950 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.480 super degenerate and gross and satanic, I don't really think 951 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.079 that it's a big deal. That's my take on it. 952 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.440 I guess my last question why I have you these 953 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:39.000 kind of famous kind of like kind of videos of 954 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.079 like celebrities like Cardi B and Katy Perry like having 955 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.360 quote unquote m kilt glitches. Do you think that's all 956 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:45.679 bullshit or do you think that's like. 957 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.400 I know that in the case of this the Katie 958 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.280 Perry one, they did say a long time ago that 959 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.599 she does that pretty regularly in her in her shows 960 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:59.719 as kind of like viral marketing, spectacle marketing. So in 961 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.880 her case and some of those instances that is not 962 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.599 it was it was planned. I know that in the 963 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.079 case of like, you know, Michael Jackson, a lot of 964 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.320 the things they would do were actually marketing schemes as well, 965 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.960 like the hyperbaric chamber and all this kind of stuff 966 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.920 that would keep him in the news. So there is 967 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.840 a layer of that in terms of entertainment and pop 968 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.920 culture figures who do a lot of this stuff on purpose. 969 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:23.440 But then in a lot of cases, like in the 970 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.840 case of Sam and the Harlan show, like it's it's 971 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.800 unclear what to what degree this was a planned spectacle 972 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.679 or whether this was just really like they're not getting along. 973 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.800 So I think both things go on. But I do 974 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.280 think that in the case of many of the abused 975 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:41.559 pop stars, in the case of like Britney Spears, Amanda Bynds, 976 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:45.199 I would say they're having actual, like in culture. 977 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.880 Breakdowns, Okay, Okay, thanks for your time, Jay. 978 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:50.360 Yeah, good questions. 979 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.280 Even I was skeptical of that with Katie Perry, I mean, 980 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.199 not Katy Perry, Britney Spears until all the stuff about 981 00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.960 her conservatorship. 982 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.320 Came out and I was like, no, dang, they like 983 00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:06.639 she really is like a mind controlled product. That's that's crazy. Uh, 984 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.920 Chase Haguard is back to destroy my DJ career. 985 00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.000 No, I think I've already done that handed well, hopefully 986 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:19.639 hopefully you can hear me now I'm connected to Wi Fi. 987 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.039 I wanted to ask after I had a comment about 988 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.079 what the prior caller was saying about the selling of 989 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.800 souls to the devil? Can I do a short bit 990 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:33.199 of self shilling for my upcoming first solo project release? 991 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:33.559 Sure? 992 00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:34.599 Cool. 993 00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.639 I think it's interesting when you look at music because 994 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.639 it's similar to other things, like, you know, people will 995 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.000 talk about quote unquote, you know, cuss words and stuff 996 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.239 like saying S H I T is not inherently evil. 997 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:49.719 I think it's it's pretty goofy to. 998 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.519 Think that because someone's not orthodox, or because they're not 999 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:58.000 heterodoxy even that there can't be intrinsic value in the art. 1000 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.280 There's limited amount of building. 1001 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.079 Blocks that God created of this amazing thing called music 1002 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:09.039 that we can all play with. And music inherently is 1003 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.800 created for worship. And so I think there's arguments that 1004 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.760 I can make and people can make that music has 1005 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:18.199 to be worshiping something, and you know, so you can 1006 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.519 say someone's intent was evil, but at the same time 1007 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:27.559 you can you can still get universal experiences that are 1008 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.679 universal to being a human from all types of secular artists. 1009 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:33.760 You know, I John Mayer has some great songs. I'm 1010 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.519 not talking about my Body as a Wonderland. I know 1011 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.920 that's one of your favorite songs. Day John Mayer has 1012 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:38.800 some word music. 1013 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:40.639 A lot of people don't know he wrote that about me. 1014 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.199 So but don't tell anybody that keep that on the download. 1015 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.119 Yeah, I'm just surprised how honest you're being today. It's crazy, 1016 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.400 but uh, but it's it's interesting because I think that 1017 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.360 you can look at led Zeppelin, the Beatles, whoever, if 1018 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.079 you get things out of that art, well, it's a 1019 00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.599 universal language in this in a much deeper sense, is 1020 01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.440 it typically used that is designed to communicate these things 1021 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.280 and lead to you know, quote unquote spiritual experiences in 1022 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.519 a sense where not this music doesn't belong in the liturgy. 1023 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.239 Rock music doesn't belong in the liturgy. 1024 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:17.119 But you know, not being able to separate the art 1025 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.360 from the artists is something I think we need to 1026 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:21.559 be able to do, just like not being able to 1027 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.039 separate the message from the messenger. And on that note, 1028 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.960 a little bit of self shilling. If anybody likes indie 1029 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.559 rock kind of stuff. I make music for solo projects. 1030 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.559 Doing my first tune release on Monday. If you want 1031 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.119 to subscribe to my YouTube, Chase Haggard Music. It's like 1032 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.960 MGMT mixed with modest mouse. 1033 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.519 But I just, by the way, subscribe to your channel. 1034 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:43.000 I just found it for the first time. 1035 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.119 I just blocked you, so that's perfect. You won't be 1036 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:54.880 able to well, I was going to, but it's like 1037 01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:07.599 MGM anti semitic, anti cynical. To appreciate it, I want to. 1038 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:12.199 That's okay. We don't mind you showing gypsies. Chase is 1039 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:12.679 a thief. 1040 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:19.119 Gypsies Chase seas That was my share, by the way, 1041 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.039 because there's something a gypsy jazz. 1042 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.320 This is gypsy. Yes, it is gypsy jazz. Look at 1043 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.000 mister sand Man. 1044 01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.199 I don't really hear any metallicans I'll take Chase's word 1045 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:34.559 for it. 1046 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:39.960 It's mister Sandman. I'm thinking inter sand Man. I thought 1047 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.239 Chase was over here doing Metallica gypsy jazz. Mister Sandman, Oh, 1048 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:50.159 mister Sandman, bring me. I thought he was doing inter Sandman. Dude, 1049 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.760 I like to enter sand the gypsy jazz better, so 1050 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:04.159 you pray. I don't even know the words of that 1051 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.920 stupid essong. By the way, shout out to our buddies 1052 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:15.599 Jamie Kennedy and Sam Tripolonius having a pretty popular podcast. 1053 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.800 They're doing this well, we should tell you the exact opposite. 1054 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.159 This one was popping off to forty thousand. 1055 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.599 That's popping off over here on I hate to break 1056 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:27.360 it to you, Jamie Kennedy with Sam tripoli brand New 1057 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:31.840 All this drama with the Sam High podcast with Harley 1058 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:33.119 Williams is kind of. 1059 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:36.639 Kind of taking over the comedy sphere. 1060 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.320 But don't miss this gem. They had a great conversation 1061 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:40.960 as well. Our buddies over here. 1062 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.320 And by the way, we will be back on Jamie 1063 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.039 Kennedy's podcast in the near future. We were just talking 1064 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:53.039 about that the other day. Debt and I get you 1065 01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.840 guys back dea ont you guys. 1066 01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:00.719 Back and you're listening to them and not listening to me. 1067 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.920 That's how powerful the programming is. 1068 01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.920 I've heard people say they broke dad. 1069 01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.719 By the way. Awesome new set there, I like Jamie sett. 1070 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:19.480 Everybody's upping their their set, begging at upgrade. Where are 1071 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:19.800 we at? 1072 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:33.239 Intersand man thieves, gypsies. 1073 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.639 Chases a thief? Did you guys like the member episode? 1074 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.000 I thought it was pretty good mouse shit and we. 1075 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.079 Got some fire coming to by the way, we got well, 1076 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.280 maybe I should keep it secret as to what episodes 1077 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:53.119 they're about to roll out. Oh look at that right there, 1078 01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:00.440 just so you know. People pretending to look they like 1079 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.599 they're involved in this. People pretending like they have a 1080 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:08.480 stake in this. People are pretending like they know and 1081 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:13.760 have a stake in it. All right, let's see what 1082 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.559 we got over here on the super chats. Catch up 1083 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.599 on that real quick, gen Z three dollars. 1084 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.920 The thing about the younger generation humor that older generations 1085 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.679 don't get, whether you're trying to do common or not, 1086 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.440 is that we are laughing at you. Modern comedians are 1087 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:35.800 conforming to that reality. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, 1088 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.400 that's a good insight there. I like that gen Z. 1089 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:42.360 That's another angle to this, which you know, Andy Kaufman 1090 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.320 was this way in the eighties and and even to 1091 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.199 a degree I forget when he died, maybe late eighties, 1092 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.920 but he was always making fun of everybody in the audience, 1093 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.119 was the butt of the joke. So he was kind 1094 01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:03.920 of like the first trolley comic, right, And Boomers liked 1095 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:07.800 Andy Kaufman. So I'm wondering, like, what how come boomers 1096 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.599 liked Andy Kaufman and that weird stuff. But when people 1097 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.280 do that same type of stuff, it's just like they 1098 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:15.840 don't get it. 1099 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.880 It's like what, I don't, I don't what does that mean? 1100 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:25.639 That's the word. And I'm guessing it's because in the boomer. 1101 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:30.679 Mindset, you can't make fun of the boomer himself. You know, 1102 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.320 Andy Kaufman could troll the audience and it's funny. But 1103 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.599 when it's the butt of the joke is the boomer himself, 1104 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.000 or when it's like a critique of the dumb shit 1105 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.960 that everybody believes in society, maybe that is where it 1106 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.920 just doesn't work. I don't know. This is a mystery 1107 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.679 to me. I don't understand why. It's just it's bizarre. 1108 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:59.000 It's really crazy boomers like Jonathan Winters. Yeah, I mean yeah, 1109 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.960 but boomers like Andy Kaufman, and he was trolling everybody. 1110 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.400 I don't know. It's it's a fascinating question. I don't 1111 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:14.239 know what's going on. Let's see. Yeah, Okay, we're caught 1112 01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:19.320 up on those super chats. Let's see who's next, John, Yeah, 1113 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:22.119 what's up? John? 1114 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:26.280 Hey? 1115 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:26.519 Jay? 1116 01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:27.400 Thanks for having me on. 1117 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:33.679 Man, I've got a question about the Bible. I hate 1118 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:36.920 to switch gears, uh, get too serious on this, but 1119 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.960 I've got a question. I've been looking into Orthodoxy and 1120 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:44.440 everything that I've seen so far, it's almost feels like 1121 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.639 I've been looking for this like my whole life, and 1122 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:51.119 but I just I don't know, I've just discovered it, 1123 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:56.599 so I have a few questions still. My question is 1124 01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.599 it seems like the I don't have to references in 1125 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:04.880 front of me, but if you look at like the 1126 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.960 view of the resurrection of the dead, the Orthodox seemed 1127 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.239 to take like a a literal kind of view of 1128 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.880 the physical, like like your physical body is resurrected. 1129 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.519 That's that's all. That's all. Christianity's classical, I mean Catholic, Orthodox, Protestants, 1130 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:26.920 all believe in the bodily resurrection. 1131 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.519 So also the view of like the new heavens and 1132 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:35.199 the new Earth that seems to be like a more 1133 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:40.519 literal kind of a view, like it's it's physical. 1134 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.599 I don't have the words for this, but yeah, we 1135 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.920 would say it's Protestant to or it's Gnostic to think 1136 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:52.119 of this in some you know, non physical literal way. Right. 1137 01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.480 So I've always kind of read the Bible very simply 1138 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:01.480 just kind of I wouldn't say literal, but I've kind 1139 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:03.519 I kind of just when I read the Old Testament 1140 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:08.800 just assume a plain sense kind of meaning. I know, 1141 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:14.360 I'm perfectly fine with a lot of typology, but I 1142 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:18.039 just don't see a whole lot of that as informing 1143 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:22.560 like the hope in the Old Testament it's coming from 1144 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:28.760 like the you know, the the fall being I guess reversed, 1145 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.079 and in the New Testament it seems to kind. 1146 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.319 Of carry over. So here's my question. 1147 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.560 What Okay, I'm not going to be a dick. I'm 1148 01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:40.880 just I'm not understanding what hope is lost or not 1149 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:42.920 carry what's well. 1150 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.880 No, I'm just saying, like the I guess, so my 1151 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.880 question is like ascheological, I guess. So the hope of 1152 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:52.640 the Old Testament seems to be in this resurrection and 1153 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.079 the new heavens and the new Earth. But it seems 1154 01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.159 like in a lot of these passages that explain it, 1155 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:04.359 you've got kind of a very plain sense, uh description 1156 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.800 of Jerusalem being like like in Ezekiel forty three, you know, 1157 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.840 or it's like in the New the New there's like 1158 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.920 a temple and you have God saying this is the 1159 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.359 place of the souls of my feet. 1160 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.239 Not that I think that God has like literal feet. 1161 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:23.760 But it seems like a lot of places like you 1162 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:29.119 have this idea of Jerusalem being kind of the at 1163 01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.079 the center, I guess, or like the place where God is. 1164 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.760 Yeah, and that they're they're talking about the first Advent 1165 01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:41.159 of the Messiah. So the restoration of the Tabernacle of David, 1166 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:46.880 God sending out the law from Mount Zion is ultimately 1167 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:51.000 fulfilled in the first appearance of Christ. So that's the 1168 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:55.239 last days. The the asketon is now rather than pointing 1169 01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:56.920 in putting it off to you know, the end of 1170 01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.840 the world. The escaton began at the First Advent, and 1171 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.920 the why the New Testament is so emphatic that the 1172 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.640 promises of the Old Testament are realities right now? 1173 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.680 Okay, so but when. 1174 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:17.399 Obviously there's more to come, like when Jesus returns, So 1175 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.239 what role does Like it just seems like there's so 1176 01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:22.920 many passages where it just seems like if there's a 1177 01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:28.039 if there's a if you have a restored body and 1178 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.640 there's a new heavens and a new earth, that assume 1179 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:35.399 it's not a spiritual it's not totally. I know that 1180 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.239 language is used like in onse Grinthians fifteen, like of 1181 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:42.159 you know, the spiritual man, but you know it does 1182 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:44.640 it doesn't mean that it's one or the other, right, 1183 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:48.119 it's like the way that God intended his creation to 1184 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:52.680 be in the beginning, where it's you know, there's I 1185 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:56.800 guess it's a glorified creation. Forgive me for my lack 1186 01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.520 of understanding of this language, but it just make sense 1187 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.239 to me that, you know, Jerusalem would be a. 1188 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:06.239 Literal place as well. 1189 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:08.920 Like where what is the disconnect there? Because it seems 1190 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.880 like that's where I can with a lot of Orthodox 1191 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.119 theologians that I've read, is that you get you get 1192 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:19.760 like an understanding of the resurrected body, a literal new heavens, 1193 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.319 in the New Earth. But it's like the idea of 1194 01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:28.920 Jerusalem being a literal place where you know, Jesus will So, okay, I. 1195 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.640 See what you're saying. So the how we know what 1196 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:36.439 is quote figurative versus what is literal is going to 1197 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:39.880 be conditioned by the Bible itself and the coherence of 1198 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:43.239 the Old New Testament together. So for example, how do 1199 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.159 I know in what sense, for example, the word the 1200 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.720 word Jerusalem is to be taken in the New Testament 1201 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.520 and the and the escaton sense. Well, thankfully, there's many 1202 01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.279 places in the New Testament where that's actually discussed. So 1203 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.479 for example, in Galatians, for when Paul talks about the 1204 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:04.720 allegory of the New Jerusalem, he describes that as the 1205 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:08.920 Jerusalem that is from above, which is our heavenly Mother, 1206 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:16.159 which is the Church. So the true Jerusalem is the Church, 1207 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:20.960 which Paul explains here in Galatians for rejoice, so baron. 1208 01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:23.520 So no, he's you know, signing the Old Testament, you 1209 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.520 do not bear, break forth and shout or not in labor. 1210 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.399 You have had many children. And so he talks about Isaac, 1211 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:33.760 and he talks about Ishmael, and he says that the 1212 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:39.079 real Jerusalem is the one that is above the heavenly Jerusalem, 1213 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:42.079 which is the Mother of us all. And this promise 1214 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:48.119 to Abraham is fulfilled in the heavenly Jerusalem, which is 1215 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.680 mother Church. So do you understand that, like the questions 1216 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:54.800 that you're asking, I'm not saying they're bad questions, but 1217 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.600 they're answered in the New Testament itself. So could there 1218 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.439 be an actual Holy Land in the Escuton, Yeah, sure, 1219 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.720 Jesus could recreate the heaven and the earth and keep 1220 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:10.560 elements of you know, what existed before. I mean, in 1221 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:14.319 the New Testament era. The church calls it the Holy Land. 1222 01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.960 There's an Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. 1223 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:17.199 Ah. 1224 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.640 So it's not like it goes away because we're in 1225 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.039 the New Testament necessarily, right. 1226 01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.600 Okay, Well yeah, because it seems kind of it's just 1227 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:29.600 hard to think about like there being you know, like 1228 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:33.000 in the resurrection, like being in a certain place. But 1229 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:35.840 it seems pretty clear that you have a resurrected body, 1230 01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:40.319 which would require it doesn't seem to be there, doesn't 1231 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:42.399 seem to be a contradiction with place. 1232 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.479 So no, No, the Orthodox view is that there is 1233 01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:49.119 a new heavens and a new Earth, and it is 1234 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:53.000 a physical place with physical locations. And so when Jesus 1235 01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:55.560 resurrected and he's walking around the end the Gospel John 1236 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:59.960 eating fish, that's showing you the model of the body 1237 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:05.399 in the Escaton. Ah, So it is spatial still, yes. 1238 01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:08.800 Okay, So I like your answer though it's kind of 1239 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:11.720 It doesn't have to be one way or another. It's 1240 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.319 just you know, there may be a physical place I 1241 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.199 guess that call Jerusalem, but it's not. That's not what 1242 01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:20.760 the passages in the Old Testament point towards. 1243 01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:24.680 Well, Like if you look at Isaiah sixty five, it says, behold, 1244 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:26.680 I create a new heavens and a new earth. The 1245 01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.079 former will not be remembered, it will not come to mind. 1246 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.920 Be glad and rejoice. I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing 1247 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:37.399 I rejoice in Jerusalem, my people, and there will no 1248 01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:40.960 longer be weeping or crying. This is all referenced, of course, 1249 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:43.880 in the apocalypse of the Church and of the escaton. 1250 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:47.720 So this is a present reality where you know, God 1251 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.840 is basically saying that my people are my elect they're 1252 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:54.279 my offering, they're my descendants. It's talking about the Church. 1253 01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.960 It's not talking about primarily you know, something going on 1254 01:14:58.079 --> 01:14:59.920 over in the Middle East in the place. 1255 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.039 Okay, that makes sense, yes, because I mean that's like 1256 01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:04.920 one of the passages that you see and you know 1257 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:08.840 it's it's I think it's described as the New Jerusalem 1258 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:11.960 in the Book of Revelation, but always thought that it's 1259 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.239 not going to be buildings coming down from Heaven. 1260 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.279 No, it's the people are we are the new Jerusalem exactly. 1261 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.600 That's why that's why Paul calls the New Jerusalem the 1262 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:22.920 Church right there? Wired, what's up? 1263 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:23.039 Man? 1264 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:33.119 Good question, though, Wired, what's up? 1265 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:39.119 I'm you Hello? Can you hear me? 1266 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:40.880 You Zach or. 1267 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:43.920 Hello? 1268 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:44.359 Jay? 1269 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:52.039 I'm an agnologic and I'm looking into different religions and philosophies. 1270 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:56.760 I'm leaning to ours Christianity, but I'm calling in to 1271 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:03.640 ask about your thoughts on the CTM you by Chris Langan. 1272 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:06.840 Are you familiar with him and his theory? 1273 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:13.600 Yes? Yeah, I think it's kind of similar to TAG 1274 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.319 in certain ways, at least in the methodological approach. It's 1275 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.359 similar in that it's more of an abstracted, logical type 1276 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:30.199 of argument. But Chris Langon is a very committed classical foundationalist, 1277 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:33.960 so he believes in very sort of self evident maxims 1278 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:39.079 as a starting point, and the type of deity that 1279 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.039 he argues for is just kind of like a platonic 1280 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.640 mega mind. So I would have you know some critiques 1281 01:16:46.680 --> 01:17:03.119 of those positions. Basically, Matt, what's up, Matt Hedges? Oh, 1282 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:04.960 what's up? Matt? 1283 01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:07.199 Oh? Hey, how are you doing? 1284 01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:08.600 Jake, what's on your mind? 1285 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.800 Yeah? I've heard a common accusation. 1286 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:17.600 I've heard in Eastern Orthodox circles that the Reform tradition 1287 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:20.159 has a history and tendency. 1288 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:23.279 In its christology when it comes to the communication of properties. Correct, 1289 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:25.960 do you believe that accusation? And how would you flush 1290 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:26.279 that out? 1291 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:30.279 Yeah? For example, or Herman Ritterboss talks about Jesus as 1292 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:31.319 a human person. 1293 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:36.000 Yes, So for one thing, I don't think that Reformed 1294 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:40.279 like Orthodoxy, is defined by necessarily MacArthur's sproll or someone 1295 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:40.840 like river Bus. 1296 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:44.000 I think it's more like sixteenth and seventeenth century reforms. 1297 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:47.039 Colossal who like, why is that where we go? By 1298 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:50.119 the way their nerve? No Storian two Turretan. Doesn't Turretin 1299 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:52.880 think that Jesus sheds his human nature in the Escaton? 1300 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:54.840 No? 1301 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:58.039 No, not that I know, Okay, But regardless Turretin is 1302 01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:01.720 more of a polemicist than a systematician, but with regards 1303 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:04.960 to the Westminster Divines in particular, I mean I've read 1304 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:05.600 some of like. 1305 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:09.960 The did Jesus take the Father's wrath? I'm sorry, did 1306 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.319 Jesus take the Father's wrath? 1307 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.279 So I think there's a difference between like being punished 1308 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:18.680 properly in the sense of like the imputation of guilt 1309 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:20.920 versus like receiving punishment. 1310 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.159 I think did the Father damn the son? I mean 1311 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:27.119 many of the first generation second generation reformers. 1312 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.920 Say that, Yeah, I think it's a I think that's 1313 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.720 a misinterpretation of Calvin. 1314 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:35.880 More of the accusation. I just don't think it's. 1315 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:39.279 What's the right interpretation? Yeah? 1316 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.319 So, I mean, if you're referring to like those texts 1317 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:43.119 in which it talks about Christ. 1318 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:44.479 I don't really care about Calvin, Like, what do you 1319 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:47.720 think is the right position? What's your position? Yeah? 1320 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.880 So I think Christ like received the punishment that was 1321 01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:51.279 due to. 1322 01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:55.800 Sin, which is which is what? Which is what? Which 1323 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.199 is what? 1324 01:18:57.640 --> 01:18:59.439 Yeah, it's bearing the wrath of God on the cross. 1325 01:18:59.439 --> 01:18:59.920 That's not okay. 1326 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:02.399 So I asked you specifically and it took you like 1327 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:03.640 five minutes to get to this point. 1328 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:07.359 So Jesus bears the wrath? What is the wrath? What 1329 01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:08.439 is the wrath of the father? 1330 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:11.640 To be fair, I called him askeding about the community. 1331 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.399 What is the wrath of the father? Come on, dude, 1332 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.399 what's the wrath of the father? Yeah? 1333 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.359 So it on the cross, Christ experienced the same genus of. 1334 01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:23.640 Punishment, genus of punishment. And is that damnation or not? 1335 01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.000 It is not not the same as the damn in Hill. No, 1336 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.319 it's it is making satisfaction, okay. 1337 01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.079 And what was the penalty that was due that he took? 1338 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:38.159 Did the Father forsake him? 1339 01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.600 I mean not in the way that like you might 1340 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:40.880 hear some. 1341 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.560 People like, Okay, then in what way? In what way? 1342 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:45.560 Yeah? 1343 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.520 So I mean Christ experienced like some of like the 1344 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:50.680 distress and anguish. 1345 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.000 Some of it. Okay. So did the father turn his 1346 01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:55.079 back on him? 1347 01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:59.840 Did he forsake him? Is there a verse? If my 1348 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:01.399 thinking of the verse in Isaiah Crow. 1349 01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:03.720 I'm asking you, dude, you tell me your position. Stop 1350 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:06.000 asking me questions. Did the father forsake the son the 1351 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.039 way that the psalms are interpreted in your view? Yeah? 1352 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:13.479 So I don't think that God the Father damned the son. 1353 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:15.640 Okay, So what does it mean? You said, it's some 1354 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.880 of the elements of rejection. What does that mean? 1355 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.439 Yeah, it's it's the imputation of sin to Christ like Christ? 1356 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.439 And what does that mean? What? What is this? What 1357 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:26.359 is the punishment? 1358 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.800 Yeah, the punishment is making is bearing like the indignation 1359 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.119 of God against sin in the qualitative sense, but not 1360 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:34.800 the quantitative. 1361 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.039 Okay. So did he take the penalty? Okay? So you're 1362 01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:40.079 saying a bunch of sophistry. So did he damn the 1363 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:43.279 sun or not? No? I just told you that, right, 1364 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.760 So he didn't, But he took the wrath. What's the wrath? 1365 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:46.600 That's not damning? 1366 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.399 The wrath that's not Yeah, damnation properly is eternal. 1367 01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:55.720 Okay. Did he take the equivalence of that. 1368 01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:59.880 Qualitative equivalents not a quantitative one. 1369 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:00.319 That's why? 1370 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:01.159 Damn? 1371 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:02.279 This is not hard. 1372 01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.600 Oh, it's not hard. Right, I don't understand it. Right, 1373 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:05.960 So we didn't say. 1374 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:07.279 You don't understand that. I'm saying that a lot of 1375 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:08.560 the fathers use a slanguage too. 1376 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:10.680 No they don't, No, they don't. Where do the fathers 1377 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:11.079 use this like? 1378 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.760 Okay, did Christ take the penalty of our sin upon. 1379 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.880 I don't have the same idea what the penalty is 1380 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.800 as you. I believe what John Damascus says in book three. 1381 01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:22.319 But I'm asking you, since you believe that damnation is 1382 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:24.119 the penalty, how is it the penalty that he took? 1383 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:27.880 Well, I didn't. I did not say that Christ was damned. 1384 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:29.239 I explicitly deny. 1385 01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:29.920 I know that. 1386 01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:32.640 But I'm saying, if the penalty is damnation, then how 1387 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:34.079 did he take the penalty for us? 1388 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:36.760 I'm sorry, can you say that again? 1389 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:41.199 If the penalty is damnation, then how did he take 1390 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:42.880 that penalty for us if he wasn't. 1391 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:47.199 Damned, because he can suffer the same genus of punishment 1392 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:47.960 without its quality. 1393 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.119 What does that? What does that even mean? What does 1394 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:52.039 genus and species have to do with this? 1395 01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:55.880 Genus and species? Like basic, what. 1396 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:57.479 Does it have to do with this question? I know 1397 01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.840 what the words mean. Don't play bullshit with me. Come on, man. 1398 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.920 Yeah, so it's the same time, but not the. 1399 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:09.600 Same So so because it wasn't eternal, it's not eternal damnation. 1400 01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:11.479 So you're doing you're playing word games. But he was 1401 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:13.119 damned by the Father, just not eternally. 1402 01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:16.479 No, I'm saying that damnation properly is eternal. 1403 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:19.800 Uh huh. So what was the punishment that he took. 1404 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.199 That's not our punishment. 1405 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.199 I already told you. It's bearing the sins of work. 1406 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:26.920 And that is what exactly he is. 1407 01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:30.239 He is receiving the same type of punishment. 1408 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.000 Because the father ceased to love him and share the 1409 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:35.640 same will as him. Oh so he did, so he 1410 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.159 so he punishes. So what. 1411 01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.640 I know the past, I know the quotes from Calvin 1412 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:42.279 that beller me. 1413 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:44.680 I don't care about Calvin, Dude, tell me what the 1414 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:48.760 correct position is from the scriptures that you believe. Nobody 1415 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.520 cares about John Calvin here. Yeah. 1416 01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.119 So, yeah, Well it's a common accusation against the reform. 1417 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:54.800 That's why I mentioned it. 1418 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:56.479 But yeah, I know, I make it all the time 1419 01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:00.640 because most reformed people historically have believed that Jesus suffered 1420 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.800 some sort of rejection by the father. And so I'm asking, 1421 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:05.560 does the father turn his will against the son? 1422 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:08.560 Does he turn his will against the son? No, because 1423 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:09.439 there's only one will. 1424 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:12.439 In the Okay, So how does he punish him and 1425 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:16.279 go against him and use the terminology of a qualified damnation, 1426 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:19.199 a qualified rejecting? In what sense is he rejecting him 1427 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:20.720 if he's not turning his will against. 1428 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:23.159 Him, right, So you have to distinguish. 1429 01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:25.319 But like I said, is he is he hating the son? 1430 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:28.000 No, No, one's saying that. 1431 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:28.439 I know that. 1432 01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:31.560 And how is he punishing? No, it's not just John MacArthur. 1433 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:33.680 It's a bunch of the reform traditions. So I want 1434 01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:36.479 to understand what this punishment is and what this turning 1435 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:38.680 away is. What does it mean when he says the 1436 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.399 father forsook him? 1437 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:43.079 Yeah, the father forsaken Yeah. 1438 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.000 So like he did not have like as full a 1439 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:46.840 sense of the beatific vision for example. 1440 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:49.680 Okay, so Jesus stopped being a divine person. 1441 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:51.560 That's not what I said. 1442 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.199 How do you not have a division a vision of 1443 01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.640 the of God if you're a divine person. Is Jesus 1444 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:57.319 a divine person? 1445 01:23:58.560 --> 01:23:59.760 Yes, Jesus is a divine person. 1446 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.359 But he lost the beatific visions. But he lost the 1447 01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:06.600 beatific vision, Yes you did. You just said he didn't 1448 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:08.000 have the fullness of it. You just lied. 1449 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:11.159 The fullness of it is different from having it. If 1450 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:12.319 you can't distinguish that, I. 1451 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:14.880 Can't distinguish it. So Jesus lost the beatific vision, but 1452 01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.199 he still had some of it, so he could like 1453 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:18.119 see through a glass darkly, the beatific vision. 1454 01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.239 Yeah, okay, Christ experience like the darkness and his soul. 1455 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.279 On the cross darkness in this don't you know what 1456 01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:26.760 that means? I'm asking you your position, which is nonsense. 1457 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:31.359 So Jesus lost the beatific vision as a divine person. No, 1458 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.399 I don't. So you're a nestorian exactly as we said 1459 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:35.399 from the very beginning. 1460 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.319 No, No, I believe Christ is a divine person that 1461 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:39.640 assumed the human nature. 1462 01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:45.680 The divine person doesn't lose the beatific vision. Heretic and 1463 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:54.199 there is no beatific vision Latin sense anyway, you don't 1464 01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:58.079 see the divine essence but on their own model. If 1465 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:02.039 being a divine person is being the divine essence, how 1466 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.359 do you not really fully see the divine sc That 1467 01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:06.720 was so stupid, What a bunch of sophistry and word games. 1468 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.439 And he kept wanting to debate Calvin's But I don't 1469 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:18.840 care about Calvin's position, exempted cat, what's up? Jesus lost 1470 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:27.760 the betic vision, but only a little bit. I'm mute. 1471 01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:28.279 What's up. 1472 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:38.000 All? 1473 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:57.920 I can't connect, Young Sheldon kah. 1474 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.880 Yo, Uh yeah, I just wanted to talk a little 1475 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:12.520 bit about that Sam Hyde podcast. I think I think 1476 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.000 my opinion is kind of in between you and the 1477 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.840 wine Mom. And I mean I'm a Sam Hide fan. 1478 01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:23.199 I love his stuff. I just think that the problem 1479 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.439 was just a clashing comedy style. Like it's kind of 1480 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:30.079 like it's kind of like, you know, rock paper scissors, 1481 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:35.439 Like some comedy styles just dismantle or trump other ones. 1482 01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.600 And I think Sam Hyde's comedy is like really the 1483 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:42.600 crux of his whole thing is that he kind of 1484 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.960 like takes you into his domain. Like he just creates 1485 01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:50.000 like this crazy world and he like makes you subject 1486 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:53.319 to it, like for example, the the paradigm shift, the 1487 01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:58.159 twenty twenty seventy paradigm shift. He hijacks this ted X 1488 01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:01.920 talk and he takes all he's like these kind of 1489 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:03.079 like modern. 1490 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.640 Liberal fellas in the crowd. 1491 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.640 He just takes some hostage and he subjects him to 1492 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:11.960 all this like bullshit. And similar to the and also 1493 01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:14.960 with the Eye Dubs thing, right, he takes I Dubs 1494 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:20.039 who doesn't realize what he's what he's getting into, brings 1495 01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:24.000 them into his like converted dental's office, totally flips the 1496 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.439 script on him, creates this wacky world where it's like, 1497 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.239 you know, this guy is like making beats in the corner, 1498 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:33.800 he's smoking, his girlfriend is like high on meth, like 1499 01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:38.079 Ian can't even comprehend what's happening. And that's sort of 1500 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:42.000 his style. Sam, Like, yeah, Sam, Sam Hid likes to 1501 01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:47.119 like take people into his domain and it's his world 1502 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:50.239 is like crazy, right, and that's where the absurdist kind 1503 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:55.159 of humor is there. And Harlan he's he's sort of 1504 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:57.920 absurdist as well, but he's it's it's a different way. 1505 01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:00.720 Like like a first. 1506 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:03.479 Glance, you might think you know they're compatible because they're 1507 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.840 both you know, wacky, goofy, but really it's two completely 1508 01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:10.439 different styles. Harland he's more like he's more like, you know, 1509 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.439 I don't really like him, so this might influence how 1510 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.640 I describe it. But He's he's just more like random. 1511 01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:20.560 He's just more like it's less coherent, it's less structured, right, 1512 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.479 he just kind of says things. He throws out a 1513 01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:27.159 joke here, changes the topic. It's like it's it's it 1514 01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:31.520 doesn't it doesn't actually coincide with Sam's style of humor. 1515 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:34.479 Like, so they're not really a good match for each other. 1516 01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:39.439 And so like what I think is that Sam Hide 1517 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:43.039 he's just more structured and Harland he's just a little 1518 01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:48.119 bit more more random, and that actually dismantles Unfortunately, I 1519 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:53.079 think that dismantles Sam Hide's like specialty is comedy because 1520 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:57.920 they can't stick on one like Sam Hi can't bring Harland. 1521 01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:00.920 Into his world, into his like right, he can't do. 1522 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:05.399 That because it's just not compatible. He's Harland isn't like. 1523 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:09.520 He isn't like I Dubs or someone who who is 1524 01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:15.760 willing to willing to follow a single line of thought. Right, 1525 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.119 He's more random, He's all over the place. I personally 1526 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:22.239 find that really boring. So I don't like that. I 1527 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:27.359 prefer Sam Hide style. But unfortunately Sam Hide, it just 1528 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.680 didn't It just didn't work. And I think the gorilla 1529 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:33.319 the gorilla thing for me, that the gorilla thing was. 1530 01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:34.199 The funniest part. 1531 01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:38.159 But but I can I can see what people are 1532 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:40.680 talking about when they say, you know, he crashed out 1533 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.600 and it and it wasn't good because I think Sam 1534 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:47.199 was was trying to Sam Sam Hide was a fish 1535 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:49.840 out of water there. He he had he couldn't do 1536 01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:52.800 his his comedy. What he's known for, what he's comfortable with, 1537 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:55.720 he couldn't do it, and the moment he was given 1538 01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:58.920 an opportunity to do something like that, right when he 1539 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.760 was given the the permission to make a gorilla's nest, well, 1540 01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:06.479 what he did was he tried to bring bring Harlan 1541 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:07.520 into his domain. 1542 01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:08.560 And that kind of worked. 1543 01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:13.079 I mean, like everyone, everyone was subject to the environment 1544 01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:16.319 Sam Hide created where he was in control at that moment, 1545 01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:19.439 and that I think it was the funniest part. But 1546 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:24.119 obviously I think Sam Hide also went a little overboard, 1547 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:27.720 and you know, maybe it was a little flustered, and yeah, 1548 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:28.800 that's just that's. 1549 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:29.199 How I see that. 1550 01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:32.640 Well, if you watch the and I did watch significant 1551 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:37.680 sections of the Harlan Joe Rogan podcast from a while 1552 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.119 back a year ago, and a lot of people were 1553 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.880 making a big stink of this and fuss about this 1554 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:47.199 because Joe Rogan seemed to not really be getting or 1555 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:49.840 interested in the stories and the jokes either. It was 1556 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:56.279 very It's another sort of less volatile interaction that was 1557 01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:58.640 kind of similar in certain ways, not that Joe Rogan 1558 01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:01.640 is in any way similar to Hyde, but they were 1559 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:04.159 having this interaction back and forth, and Harlan kept telling 1560 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:07.359 these wacky stories and kind of being silly, and Joe 1561 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:09.399 Rogan was kind of more like I wanted to have 1562 01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:12.159 a conversation. I know that the first time I went 1563 01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.119 on Jamie Kennedy's podcast, it was similar because I assumed 1564 01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.279 that we would be yucking it up and Jamie would 1565 01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:22.279 have this very serious kind of conspiracy discussion, which is fine, 1566 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:25.800 but if you if you watch the whole podcast, Jamie's like, 1567 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:28.880 why is this guy? Damn he's already doing on his vices. 1568 01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:32.479 I want attack at Akin's Fanisey. It's like the whole thing, 1569 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:39.119 and it wasn't bad. It didn't ended up being what yeah, 1570 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:44.720 we're is a that right? Uh? This guy that ready 1571 01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:45.560 down vices? 1572 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.239 It's like, well, I do impressings all the time, Dude, 1573 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:53.880 I'm gonna I'm gonna personate you don't anyway, So sometimes. 1574 01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:56.960 We do get these clash of personality situation. So I 1575 01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.479 think that caller was correct that there there was a 1576 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.800 clash of personalities for sure going on here. And by 1577 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.439 the way, if I recall doesn't Harlan in this episode, 1578 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:08.000 he tells this story that he. 1579 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:15.880 Has a gut like a leech or like a what 1580 01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:16.960 do you call those worms? 1581 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:20.199 That eat eat your guts out. I forget to know 1582 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:22.159 what's the what's the name of the worm that lives 1583 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.520 in your guts? They got tapeworm? Yeah, Like he tells 1584 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.000 the story that he's got a tape worm, but he 1585 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:28.560 doesn't want to get rid of it because they got 1586 01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:30.880 they get to be friends or something, which is funny. 1587 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.479 But guess what that's actually and it's always sonny in 1588 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:37.720 Philadelphia episode Frank gets a tapeworm and he doesn't want 1589 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:39.000 to get rid of it. Or is it Charlie Frank 1590 01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:40.720 or Charlie gets a tape worm? It's actually it's a 1591 01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.600 really funny idea. But I mean, I'm not saying Harlan 1592 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.279 stole it. I don't know, but I'm just saying, like, 1593 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:51.199 I don't know, comedy is a weird thing. Also, people 1594 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:52.920 can be in moods too, Like people could be in 1595 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:56.680 a bad mood that day and they're just not feeling it. 1596 01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:04.279 But somebody made a good point. Mike Hunt says Harlan 1597 01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.079 could have at least plugged Extreme Peace, And I think 1598 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:09.640 that's a good argument that there was some real tension 1599 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:13.079 here because he did bleep out any of the references 1600 01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:19.319 to the new season Yeah, it's a tapeworm named Jerry, 1601 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:26.239 and it's a is it Frank or Charlie that has 1602 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:30.560 the tapeworm? It's pretty funny. Object full ten dollars, Thank 1603 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:34.840 you man, Alex adame ten dollars. What up is the 1604 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.479 argument that if Trump is compromised, it would have come out? 1605 01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:40.279 Is that a bad argument? I don't think it's a 1606 01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:43.880 bad argument. Do you think he's compromised. I think there's 1607 01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:46.199 a lot of different possibilities that we just don't know. 1608 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:49.800 I mean, Trump could have been, for example, working with 1609 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:52.159 the FBI a long time ago. I mean, I think 1610 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:58.000 even Alex mentioned this possibility that could have happened a 1611 01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:01.119 long time ago. Trump might not be able to talk 1612 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:03.880 about certain things because of, you know, gring to work 1613 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.760 with the FBI back when Epstein was first being invested. 1614 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:08.840 I I'm just saying this is a possibility, have no idea, 1615 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:13.319 and then maybe Trump maybe other people have pointed out 1616 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.560 that it might not even be about what people think 1617 01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:21.920 it might be, because there's high level financial elites lobbyists 1618 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.560 that are compromised, and that that's a big part of it, 1619 01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.399 even above the politicians. So people think, oh, it's the 1620 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:30.479 politicians now there's a class of people above the politicians 1621 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:33.560 that might be compromised, and that's the big deal, not 1622 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:38.439 the political class. Matt ten dollars. I bought an ignacious 1623 01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:42.560 study Bible. Is that a good choice for a Catholic. Well, 1624 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.439 we're Orthodox Catholics, so we're I'm not going to tell 1625 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:49.520 you to buy a Roman Catholic study Bible. No, get 1626 01:34:49.840 --> 01:35:00.520 an Orthodox study Bible. That's what I would recommend, ROSSI 1627 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.199 one dollar, Jay. How would you feel about the claim 1628 01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:08.760 that determinism can still be true even though reasoning and 1629 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:14.680 belief are causal processes. Well, then it would no longer 1630 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:18.640 be knowledge or truth the way that we typically in 1631 01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:21.399 philosophy have talked about knowledge and truth. This would actually 1632 01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:24.760 be a defeater, because to know something would require the 1633 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.439 ability to adjudicate between the true and the false. But 1634 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.239 if everything that you believe is literally just a determined effect, 1635 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.800 then you're not actually adjudicating between true and false. So 1636 01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:37.319 there's no value judgments in a deterministic system. So I 1637 01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:43.600 don't think this argument would work. All right, let's see 1638 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:51.239 we've got more calls here, Wired Prometheus. 1639 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:03.399 Hello again, thanks a lot for your previous answer. What 1640 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:07.399 are the main points that you would use to criticize 1641 01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:11.920 the CTM you with, and is a metaphysical model like 1642 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.199 that reconcilable with Christianity? 1643 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:20.760 Again, if God is a platonic monad or if God 1644 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.600 is a projection of my mind or of the subconscious 1645 01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:27.239 or something like that, that's not at all compatible with Christianity. 1646 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:33.039 And also, again I think from an epistemic standpoint, if 1647 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:38.359 he's a committed classical foundationalist, then all the critiques of foundationalism, 1648 01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:52.479 I think would reply. God's Soldier, Cillia soldier. By the way, guys, 1649 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:52.880 I forgot. 1650 01:36:53.039 --> 01:36:53.159 Uh. 1651 01:36:54.239 --> 01:36:56.079 We're gonna close this out here in a little bit. 1652 01:36:56.880 --> 01:37:00.479 We will be back tonight with our buddy, yours, George, 1653 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.279 who has a new book coming out, the Errors of 1654 01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:06.800 the Latins. If you guys remember about four years ago 1655 01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.359 we had Snack and George on together where we covered 1656 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:13.039 the forgeries, and George has spent the last four years 1657 01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:17.520 collating and putting together this book, Errors of the Latins, 1658 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:23.079 kind of detailing and going through the classic papal forgeries. 1659 01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:25.720 So we will be doing that interview at nine pm tonight, 1660 01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:31.680 so be sure and be ready for that. God's Soldier, 1661 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:32.239 what's up? Man? 1662 01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:35.920 Are you going to talk or about Hey, sorry, didn't 1663 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.920 see it, was there, you guys doing it up. 1664 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:44.319 So I was raised as a seventh day advenus, and 1665 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:48.239 I've been looking into Orthodoxy, one. 1666 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:52.039 Of the test I guess hiccups. It's trying to wrall the. 1667 01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:58.960 Not chance, just the practice of worshiping on the Sabbath, 1668 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:03.720 and now we're shipping on the Lord's Day or Sunday. 1669 01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:06.159 I would you reconcile that? Exactly? 1670 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:10.000 Well, there's nothing to reconciled, because the Orthodox Church in 1671 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:13.960 the Saturday vespers still honors the seventh Day. But as 1672 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.239 the Book of Hebrews says, we are now entered into 1673 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:20.680 the resurrection Sabbath, which is His resurrection rest. So in 1674 01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:22.840 the New Testament they meet together the first day of 1675 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:25.279 the week to celebrate the breaking of bread, which is 1676 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:29.159 the liturgy. And so it's also shows us the superiority 1677 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:32.079 of the New Covenant to the Judaic Covenant. So we 1678 01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:36.800 are no longer under the Old Testament Judaic rights and rituals. 1679 01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:38.920 We're now in the New Covenant realities. 1680 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:45.520 I see, okay, I know I read somewhere that like 1681 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:49.359 there's the ceremonial Sabbath, right, and then there's I think 1682 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:54.840 one more for now what it was, it can help 1683 01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:55.319 me out there. 1684 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:57.880 Well, when John says I was in the spirit on 1685 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:02.199 the Lord's Day, right, and then he sees into heaven 1686 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:07.359 and he sees this liturgical service going on. The Lord's 1687 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:15.880 Day is the first day of the week. So what 1688 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:18.680 John is seeing is the heavenly liturgy. So that lets 1689 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:21.520 us know that John is looking up into heaven and 1690 01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:23.800 he's seeing this worship that's going on in heaven, which 1691 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.439 is liturgical worship, and that alone should show you that 1692 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:28.960 the seven day adven Is cult is false because they 1693 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:30.319 don't even have liturgical worship. 1694 01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:36.920 Yeah, I was gonna say, just from what I remember, 1695 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:43.279 is a night and Dame difference compared to Orthodoxy. And 1696 01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:46.159 then I guess the first day of the week that 1697 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.159 would be considered Sunday obviously. 1698 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.600 Okay, yeah, No. 1699 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:54.760 That helps out a lot, just because I've been trying 1700 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.319 to just talk more with the family about that, because 1701 01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:01.680 they're all seventh Day in Venice and I'm kind of 1702 01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:03.439 the black sheep, you could see. 1703 01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:07.560 Yeah, yeah, well, right, he says I was in the 1704 01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:09.560 spirit on the Lord's Day, and and I know a 1705 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:11.000 lot of people don't think about it this way, but 1706 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:13.760 we think that he's actually celebrating the divine liturgy because 1707 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:16.600 he sees the altar, he sees the endcense. That's all 1708 01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.479 liturgical imagery and language, So that lets us know that 1709 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:24.800 it's not talking about the Jewish Sabbath liturgical prepper. What's up. 1710 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:36.720 On me? 1711 01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:40.520 Hello? Yeah, what's up? 1712 01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:42.560 Yeah? 1713 01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:42.920 I was. 1714 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:46.199 This isn't a topic I'd normally call in and bother 1715 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:49.039 you with, but since you have any topic going on, 1716 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:51.920 I just wanted to ask a question to you, or 1717 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:54.960 really just ask your advice. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I 1718 01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:58.920 live in Spokane, Washington, and I have a parishioner that 1719 01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:02.560 goes through our church who was a Spokane police officer 1720 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:07.319 that he's been wrongfully convicted and is sitting in prison 1721 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:11.439 based on getting kind of caught between the defund the 1722 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.720 police that was going on in Washington State and basically 1723 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:18.279 being made an example of and like a quick win 1724 01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:21.720 for them to show that they're like working on corruption 1725 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.800 in Spokane. And so there's like all these articles that 1726 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:28.359 have been written about him, how he's been being convicted 1727 01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:33.359 and guilty, and it's like I have all the proof 1728 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:37.439 in front of me that shows that they you know, 1729 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:43.239 he was perjured against video, evidence was destroyed. They just 1730 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:46.319 assumed that he was guilty from the get go and 1731 01:41:46.359 --> 01:41:48.840 then just applied this. And I mean, he sits in 1732 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.520 prison and it's a life sentence because if he doesn't 1733 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:55.239 admit to his guilt, which he doesn't intend to lie 1734 01:41:55.359 --> 01:42:00.479 or admit to wrongful charges, he's there for good. And 1735 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:05.119 so I guess I'm just asking for help advice of 1736 01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:07.319 you know, I guess it's just. 1737 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:09.560 A bigger, a bigger conversation. 1738 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:12.800 As far as the corruption in Spokane, as far as 1739 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:16.479 the police goes, and just how this one orthodox Christian 1740 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:19.560 for my parish has been made an example and sits 1741 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:20.600 in prison innocent. 1742 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:24.000 Man. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I don't know 1743 01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:29.520 what to say about that. I mean, you're saying that 1744 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:32.000 it was because of defund the police, and he was 1745 01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:33.079 for that or against that. 1746 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:39.319 Basically, he came to understand. He kind of took the 1747 01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:43.399 job out of naivete thinking he could help, and when 1748 01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.560 he got there, it was basically like, no, we're not 1749 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:48.359 here to actually help the public. 1750 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:50.560 We're here to like you know. 1751 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:55.960 Classify the public and and and you know, or make arrest. 1752 01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:59.560 And he wasn't willing to just make pointless arrest, so 1753 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.920 he had it up in issues with the special Investigations 1754 01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:06.960 unit that just wanted him to make like mindless arrest 1755 01:43:07.039 --> 01:43:09.560 and he was just trying to treat people as human 1756 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:12.560 beings and found that there was no place for that 1757 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:14.800 on the police force for him at all. 1758 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:19.000 And at that point, there was you. 1759 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:21.960 Know, this one person that's made allegations against him as 1760 01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:25.560 a meth addict, and she has multiple allegations against the 1761 01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:30.359 police officers. And this other woman thinks she's Jesus, and 1762 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:34.079 so they have just found this method. They've paid these 1763 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.760 two women close to a million dollars in settlements now. 1764 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:41.760 And like I said, I've all of his appeals have 1765 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:46.399 been exhausted with the exception of one, and he's run 1766 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:49.920 out of money for lead, like for legal fees. So 1767 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:53.399 like me and my godson and some of us have 1768 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:57.760 kind of become his like amateur legal team because we helped, 1769 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:00.720 you know, go through the files and then you know, 1770 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:03.399 help him to write his appeals and stuff like that. 1771 01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:06.560 I mean, is this like a blue area, I'm assuming. 1772 01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:09.119 What are you in a blue area? 1773 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:10.720 Democrat? 1774 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:19.880 Well, we're eastern Washington, but Spokane is somewhat liberal within itself, 1775 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:23.840 so it's kind of like we're two two mentalities clash 1776 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:28.520 of like conservative eastern Washington close to Idaho. I mean, 1777 01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:30.359 if he was a comp in Idaho, this would have 1778 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.399 never happened because they didn't have this opposition to police. 1779 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:41.439 But just him being in Washington and essentially trying to 1780 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.199 treat people like human beings and there was just no 1781 01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:47.319 place for that on the police force. And he just 1782 01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:50.920 ended up developing enemies because he just wasn't willing to 1783 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:52.319 play ball the way they. 1784 01:44:52.199 --> 01:44:53.359 Wanted him to play ball. 1785 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:56.039 Well, honestly, man, I don't like these kind of local 1786 01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.640 clashes with corrupt leaders. I don't know what to tell you. 1787 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:02.079 I mean, have like a website or something you want 1788 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:05.880 to push out and promote and get get people look, you. 1789 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:09.680 Know, and for unfortunately right now I don't. His name 1790 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:13.880 is Nathan Nash. If anybody wants to pray for him, 1791 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.920 I've actually been in like like talking to a couple 1792 01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:20.039 other people about possibly going on their podcast and two more. 1793 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:20.359 Things like this. 1794 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:23.439 Yeah, you could like up hit up somebody like Robert Barnes. 1795 01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:25.199 I know he takes a lot of these kind of cases, 1796 01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:27.760 but Uh, yeah, you know, if you get a website 1797 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:29.760 up or something like that, feel free to call back 1798 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:34.560 in Max Payin, what's up? Sorry that that happened. I 1799 01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:37.600 just don't know what. I don't know anything about. I've 1800 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:39.680 never been to Washington. They'rever been even close to Washington. 1801 01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:40.039 What's up? 1802 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:40.239 Man? 1803 01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:44.640 I would just stay out of these big cities. Man, 1804 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:54.840 they're all corrupt. What up? Dog? I'm you? Is the internet? 1805 01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:57.880 Just Max Mackie Payne. Do you want to talk or not? 1806 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:12.920 Jord On What's up? Yep? Yeah? 1807 01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:15.319 Bring it back to the Sam hyping again. But like 1808 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:17.119 I guess that the last well is like. 1809 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:19.960 Come off school, but I think it's like so much 1810 01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:24.079 more straightforward than that. Like in the beginning of the podcast, 1811 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:26.600 Sam tries to like bring some of his like material 1812 01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:28.880 and content that he like likes to talk about and 1813 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:31.239 then cuts it off, like as the Filipino Talk right, 1814 01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:33.439 they do the whole podcast from he set them right 1815 01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:36.600 Sam once again because he doesn't want to get cut off. 1816 01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:38.560 What he says, let's avoid the jew question, right, and 1817 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:41.439 he tries to go into other areas right, Harvin brings 1818 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:44.479 it back up, cuts him off again, doesn't allow him 1819 01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:46.319 to go anywhere, and then he just goes down this 1820 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:49.079 weird line of like emasculating questioning. 1821 01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:52.039 Right mmmm, so he asked. 1822 01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:55.439 He tries to force the Filipino dude to tongue punch 1823 01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:57.439 a fake salmon piece, and Sam's eb. 1824 01:46:57.439 --> 01:46:58.319 And We're like, don't do that. 1825 01:46:59.039 --> 01:47:04.760 Well I didn't hear that. Go back and we can 1826 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:08.399 barely hear you. It's bad internet today. So he tries 1827 01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:10.039 to what the Filipino did. 1828 01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:15.319 Say that again, he tries to make the Filipino dude like, 1829 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:17.439 do ton of lingus on his line of pushin of 1830 01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:18.560 lingus on a salmon piece. 1831 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:20.880 Oh okay, yeah, I got you, I gotcha. 1832 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.399 Sam's immediately like, no, don't do that on a what 1833 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:25.119 what was it? 1834 01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:25.680 What was it? 1835 01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:27.479 A fake piece of salmon? 1836 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.399 Like fake oh salmon? 1837 01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:33.520 Okay, yeah, and so Hide. 1838 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:35.800 Goes like, don't do that, don't do that, and he 1839 01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:36.720 continu used to push it. 1840 01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.760 Sam gets over it. They move on. 1841 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:42.159 Then he goes into like the priest thing, and if 1842 01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.000 you watch PGL, Sam's not like offended by the priest 1843 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:46.960 think he just hates that like weak, low tier like 1844 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:48.800 super used shot comedy. 1845 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.960 Right, oh gotcha, okay, But. 1846 01:47:52.039 --> 01:47:54.319 Then he goes right back to the emasculation, and he 1847 01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:56.600 looks Sam in the face and goes, have you been raped? 1848 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:57.399 Like? 1849 01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:01.039 So it's this weird thing of the mascul And then 1850 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:02.720 you get into the gorilla thing. 1851 01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:03.680 What does Sam do? 1852 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:05.760 Like the other guy said, he gets into his domain, 1853 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:07.760 he flips it. But then he grabs him and goes 1854 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:09.880 to take him into the nets. So he's like, you're 1855 01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:13.159 gonna do this weird and masculation thing. Okay, I'll buy 1856 01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:15.439 into the one joke you've allowed me to get into, but. 1857 01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:16.640 You're gonna feel this amount. 1858 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:20.119 And you think the remember grape right, excuse the word great. 1859 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:22.479 You think the great thing that look the grape was 1860 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.640 intended to uh and masculate Sam. That's why I brought 1861 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:26.920 that up. 1862 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:29.920 I think I think the whole thing, after the whole 1863 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:30.640 joke cut off thing. 1864 01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:33.239 What other reason would you pull a pizza like out 1865 01:48:33.279 --> 01:48:36.000 of nowhere, pull it up like something out and ask 1866 01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:38.159 another like a man on camera. 1867 01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:39.560 To lick it? 1868 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.000 Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. 1869 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:46.920 And then Sam, when Sam goes to the grillathic, he 1870 01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:48.680 grabs him and pulls him into the nest. 1871 01:48:49.479 --> 01:48:50.000 You know what I mean? 1872 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:53.399 I think that was just Sam going like, if you're 1873 01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:55.840 gonna like I've tried and tried and restarted and trying 1874 01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:57.960 to make jokes, Okay, this is one one joke. I'm 1875 01:48:57.960 --> 01:48:58.479 gonna take. 1876 01:48:58.439 --> 01:48:59.159 Full control of it. 1877 01:48:59.600 --> 01:48:59.880 Okay. 1878 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:01.520 I don't. I think that's all. I think it was 1879 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:02.079 that simple. 1880 01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:02.359 I don't. 1881 01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:05.439 I don't like hard Like if you look through the comments, 1882 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.560 like Harland is like it's kind of bipolar the comments 1883 01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:09.399 he's liking, Like he's liking some of the ones that's say, 1884 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:11.439 like it's squad and bad, but there's like a wave 1885 01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:15.279 it's like that he's liking saying Harland overcame or dominated, 1886 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:18.359 like saying it's like a really weird thing, like why 1887 01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:20.600 would you bring some of your podcasts to like dominate him, 1888 01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:22.640 Like Harlan's never done that any other podcasts. 1889 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:23.880 Just a weird, porky weirdness. 1890 01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:27.119 But this whole like vibe was weird because I've watched 1891 01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:28.159 a lot of Harland's podcasts. 1892 01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:30.720 Oh interesting, see, I've not seen any of his podcasts 1893 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:34.000 so so that you're saying the vibe in the in 1894 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:36.319 his podcast is way different for everybody else. 1895 01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.560 It's not like extremely different, but he'll play along like 1896 01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:43.520 he can stick on a topic and like make weird 1897 01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:45.479 and do his porky thing and go along. But from 1898 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.319 the very beginning of the podcast, it was super weird. 1899 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:48.760 Doesn't Charleton frame? 1900 01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:51.000 Uh yeah, why did he do that? 1901 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:51.199 What? 1902 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:53.760 I thought, maybe they're just all doing that to be funny, 1903 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:57.239 but like, why did he stick Charles out of frame? 1904 01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:01.039 It seemed like a whole we weird like domination thing 1905 01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:03.039 and the comments that they're the probe that the YouTube 1906 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:06.560 channel is liking. It definitely seems like that because it's 1907 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:08.640 all the comments he's like me to look through on 1908 01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:10.880 the YouTube. It's all them like his weird little like 1909 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.239 the weird atheist people going like appreciated, he spoiled, has 1910 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.159 spoiled you got to fit. In a pre show, Carland 1911 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:19.800 totally trolled him and dominating. 1912 01:50:20.920 --> 01:50:21.359 Comments. 1913 01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:23.000 It's a really weird vibe. 1914 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:25.960 Like even with macad Evans, Harland was super cool with him. 1915 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:27.760 Oh interesting, I. 1916 01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.600 Think made jokes on topics and stuff. They the first 1917 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:32.960 fifteen minutes podcast. They couldn't like stake on a single thing. 1918 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:34.399 Yeah at all. 1919 01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:36.880 Yeah, but that's all I had to say. I didnther 1920 01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:37.560 think it's super strange? 1921 01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.199 No, those are interesting. Yeah, I'm really enjoying everybody's takes 1922 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:43.159 on this. The more I hear everybody else's takes, the 1923 01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:45.800 more I'm like, I don't even know what's going on, squirrel, 1924 01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:51.479 what's up? People are overthinking this? I do agree that 1925 01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:55.760 with that, Like I just thought this was like just goober, goofy, 1926 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:57.159 let's create a. 1927 01:50:57.239 --> 01:51:01.960 Spectacle, and like now the whole inner nets like going wow, 1928 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.720 and you're nobody's even talking about now. They are talking 1929 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:05.079 about this. 1930 01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:17.119 In fact, the U the protestinga clip has like what's up, squirrel? Yeah, man, 1931 01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:18.520 I just a little comment. 1932 01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:20.800 And I don't know if it's had to do with 1933 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:23.880 your new camera or something along the line. But notice 1934 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:27.520 for the last maybe two weeks or so, your stream 1935 01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:31.520 is constantly reloading, and I don't get that on anybody 1936 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:32.760 else's channel. 1937 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:36.119 So it's not my internet, but I watch YouTube all 1938 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:38.520 day long at work, and yours. 1939 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:41.359 In particular is super tough to watch because it's constantly 1940 01:51:41.399 --> 01:51:42.479 stopping and reloading. 1941 01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:46.800 Anybody in the chat, tell me if you're having the 1942 01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:49.520 same problem, and we'll try to see what's going on 1943 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:50.680 and address that. 1944 01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:53.199 I'm not sure what you mean. I'm reloading because like 1945 01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:56.640 you have to reload your on your side. 1946 01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:58.520 And like. 1947 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:02.439 That might be at your work or something, or your computer, 1948 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:08.199 because when I look at the status on both YouTube 1949 01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:13.359 and on stream labs, it's a straight up perfect quality 1950 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:20.720 consistent seven thousand kb kilvis per second, sixty frames per second. 1951 01:52:21.199 --> 01:52:24.840 Everything should be top sphere. If I look at stream 1952 01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:33.960 Health on YouTube, everybody in the chat is saying that 1953 01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.199 this guy's a boomer. Everything works fine. Yeah, I mean 1954 01:52:36.399 --> 01:52:41.680 I'm getting I think it's your work computer because stream 1955 01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:44.800 health has been excellent and perfect on both sides YouTube 1956 01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:49.840 and obs for the last several hours. Where was this 1957 01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:51.159 comment about? 1958 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:54.760 No? 1959 01:52:55.159 --> 01:53:08.159 Where is it a h No, it wasn't protesting. It 1960 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:27.960 was af news. So it's already almost to a million 1961 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:35.560 views or impressions over here on Twitter. But it's a 1962 01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.439 little bit of a different vibe over here, like the 1963 01:53:42.000 --> 01:54:08.920 comments are less imbalanced anyway. Where you talking about this, 1964 01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:12.319 because in order to have an audience, you have to 1965 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:14.159 talk about what everyone's talking about. I don't know if 1966 01:54:14.159 --> 01:54:16.239 you've figured out the internet yet, but that's how it works. 1967 01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:18.079 Tyl Hasse, you want to try again? 1968 01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:24.560 Jay? 1969 01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:25.800 You heard me now? Yeah? 1970 01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:31.000 Okay, good, excellent? Sorry driving to your Pennsylvania all these 1971 01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:34.520 hills with jacking up the service at a raid storm. 1972 01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:35.079 Thank you, sir. 1973 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:38.960 I wanted to ask you, what are your thoughts if 1974 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:41.319 any John MacArthur at his recent passage. 1975 01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.960 I honestly I don't know anything about it. I never 1976 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:50.119 followed John MacArthur, was never interested in him, never even 1977 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.000 read any of his stuff. Don't know anything. I mean, 1978 01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:54.359 I know who he is, but I've never followed him. 1979 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:57.079 Okay, fair enough, I had really quick If I may 1980 01:54:57.119 --> 01:55:00.000 ask something maybe kind of related but also kind of 1981 01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:03.000 to topic use, I haven't heard you talk about this 1982 01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:05.840 topic that much. I've heard top Orthodox bring it up 1983 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:07.560 here there. I know it's not a dog ball as 1984 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:09.359 far as I know, But what do you What do 1985 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.199 you think of the toll house concept? 1986 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:14.760 Yeah? I would just say look at father Sara from 1987 01:55:14.840 --> 01:55:19.039 Roses book Life of the Soul after Death, and I 1988 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:35.880 pretty much agree with that. Coop. What's up? Coop? Yo? 1989 01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:36.439 Jay? 1990 01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:41.039 I am very much tapped in with your film critique 1991 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:42.960 and kind of film study side. 1992 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:43.319 Of your work. 1993 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:45.760 Okay, I don't know if you keep a notepad of 1994 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:47.720 recommendations I have like I do, Quit. 1995 01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:51.399 I have a media that was just Option b A 1996 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:54.560 twenty four that is like a culmination of a lot 1997 01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:55.720 of your studies. 1998 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:57.920 I would say, what I think? 1999 01:55:58.520 --> 01:55:59.680 Are you being seriously joking? 2000 01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:00.479 No? 2001 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:04.760 I mean like topic wise, like the movie topics hit 2002 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.840 a ton of topics that you talk about. 2003 01:56:07.960 --> 01:56:10.600 Yeah, well wait, you're saying you have a screenplay that 2004 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:12.960 you did that you're giving to a twenty four about 2005 01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:13.960 stuff that I talked about. 2006 01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:18.119 What do you mean that they've optioned one that someone 2007 01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:18.720 else made? 2008 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:19.079 Oh? 2009 01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:23.319 And just reading about this media, it is like Jay 2010 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:24.479 Dyer has to watch. 2011 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:25.079 This when it comes up. 2012 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:26.159 Okay, what is it? 2013 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:28.680 I think it'll be called death stranding? 2014 01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:33.199 Is that after the video game? Yes, okay, that's. 2015 01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:36.079 Going to be a film, and they have the opportunity 2016 01:56:36.159 --> 01:56:40.479 to really push a lot of agendas through this media. 2017 01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:44.359 Now, No, that's great. I always appreciate those recommendations. Usually 2018 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:47.800 the best off you know, movie wise comes from audience recommendations. 2019 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:51.199 Books too. By the way, so appreciate that. JR. What's up? Man? 2020 01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:54.800 Is this the same JR? Adams? 2021 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:56.520 By the way, I didn't mean to boot you earlier. John, 2022 01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:58.159 I thought you were done. Feel free to talk as 2023 01:56:58.199 --> 01:56:58.720 long as you want. 2024 01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:02.840 Yeah, you don't want me talking. 2025 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:06.079 You're trying to stifle me from being able to Okay, 2026 01:57:06.079 --> 01:57:08.159 I'm trying to censor you. Fine, you're gonna expose me. 2027 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.960 I don't want to be exposed. I'm fragile. I'm licking 2028 01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:12.880 the testicles of Alex Jonson. 2029 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:15.680 Sam Height, mean it man on the internet who's just 2030 01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:17.479 butt snipping Sam get popular. 2031 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:22.279 Yes, feel free to expose me. 2032 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:26.039 I was actually I was actually just gonna point out 2033 01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:29.279 real quick that tapeworm joke is like an old Three 2034 01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:34.439 Stooges joke from I didn't know that. Yeah, So it's 2035 01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:37.119 not that anybody's gonna know who the Three Stooges are 2036 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:39.039 if they don't even know who Michael McDonald is. 2037 01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:48.720 He called me, all right, I just want to point 2038 01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:49.079 that out. 2039 01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:51.039 What a more. 2040 01:57:51.159 --> 01:57:53.399 Believes y'are just. 2041 01:57:55.199 --> 01:58:08.000 The worst man, David Murdock, aren't five dollars prayers for Alaska. 2042 01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:10.319 There was just a giant seven point through earthquake. 2043 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.880 It is potentially a mashed cow'sly event. Woe, dude, that's crazy. 2044 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:18.720 Is this is this real tsunami? I'm not gonna make 2045 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:21.159 any jokes if that's real, because that would not be appropriate. 2046 01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:21.920 Is that this. 2047 01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:29.359 Was it in the water off the off of the 2048 01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:37.279 So the earthquake was in the water and it might 2049 01:58:37.439 --> 01:58:47.680 cause us to Sam me, well, we got a lot 2050 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:50.840 of Orthodox people up there, so uh, pray for the 2051 01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:56.880 Orthodox up there, Lord have mercy. Mike count five dollars. 2052 01:58:57.600 --> 01:59:00.119 Sam was not going to get a plug for or 2053 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:03.319 MD either way. I think he knew that, and he 2054 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:07.279 just made the interview be something viral. If he did 2055 01:59:07.560 --> 01:59:11.920 nothing there would have gotten any exposure. That's another angle too. Yeah, 2056 01:59:11.960 --> 01:59:14.960 maybe Sam was just aware of the fact that, like, 2057 01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:20.119 you know, Harland's podcast gets like twenty thirty that gets 2058 01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:21.960 like as many views as we get on her live stream. 2059 01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:27.479 So maybe he, you know, felt like, create a spectacle, 2060 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:32.840 make it go viral, something like that. Elias became a member. 2061 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:36.520 What's that dog? Elias says for five dollars, we need 2062 01:59:36.640 --> 01:59:40.439 to relax. People need to relax. We need to let 2063 01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:44.640 Sam hide and Harland explain the situation. That'll be interesting 2064 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:56.319 to see what they say about it. Mike three says, 2065 01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:59.680 for ten dollars, this is the stris End effect. Sam 2066 01:59:59.760 --> 02:00:04.560 Hid remains undefeated. That's also an interesting angle. You know, 2067 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:07.359 we're kind of in this age where rage baiting is 2068 02:00:07.439 --> 02:00:11.479 the rage, and you think that a thing happens and 2069 02:00:11.680 --> 02:00:13.560 oh this is the end of so and so not 2070 02:00:13.680 --> 02:00:15.399 that anybody thinks this is the end of Sam High, 2071 02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:17.560 but you know, people think, oh, this is going to 2072 02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:20.159 be the end of Dean Withers or you know this, 2073 02:00:20.720 --> 02:00:23.720 and it's like, oh, this is the end of Trent Doherty. No, No, 2074 02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:26.840 he'll probably come back as like the top Catholic apologist. 2075 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:30.319 I mean, like, things do not work the way that 2076 02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:37.600 you think logically in terms of media. It's like Sam 2077 02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:40.800 Hyde had this joke too. He was talking about Hawk 2078 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:43.479 Tua and people are like, oh, Hawk two is dead, 2079 02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:45.880 and Sam's like, no, she's just getting started. She'll come 2080 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:49.479 back even stronger after her crypto scamp. It's like, yeah, exactly, 2081 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:53.640 that's the way. That's the way it really works. Where 2082 02:00:53.640 --> 02:01:01.720 are we at here? Mystical ape. 2083 02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:06.920 Was man has a bow? 2084 02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:09.920 Mystical eight? What's up? 2085 02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:10.159 Dog? 2086 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:16.960 Jud Hello? Hello? How are you? Uh? 2087 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:20.359 We got a funny man what's on your mind? 2088 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:25.000 Also, and my bros are chilling in my lip shop and. 2089 02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:30.000 We were thinking if then bla blah lah, so why 2090 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:32.760 not the mohammed you hut exactly. 2091 02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:36.119 Yes, this is the kind of joke call that I 2092 02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:38.880 love and appreciate, and I'm not joking being serious. I 2093 02:01:38.920 --> 02:01:42.000 actually like a fake Muslim call is actually pretty good, 2094 02:01:42.039 --> 02:01:47.960 Devin Holt. What's up? By the way, I was joking 2095 02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:50.560 a while back about buying hawk to a coin. Obviously 2096 02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:52.520 I was not gonna do that, And then did you 2097 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:56.279 notice that I think it did recently, Pump. I mean 2098 02:01:56.399 --> 02:01:58.279 that's the funny thing about cryptos, Like you think these 2099 02:01:58.399 --> 02:02:01.600 like obvious rug pull scam cryptos are dead, and then 2100 02:02:01.640 --> 02:02:04.159 like out of nowhere, one day, Oh, hawk Tua coin 2101 02:02:04.319 --> 02:02:06.720 is up today. What's up? 2102 02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:06.920 Man? 2103 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:17.399 We live in such a weird world that fart coin 2104 02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.600 has like a multi billion dollar valuation, right, a billion 2105 02:02:20.640 --> 02:02:23.720 dollar evaluation? And what hawk Tua is it? Back? 2106 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:23.920 Up? 2107 02:02:25.640 --> 02:02:25.880 Yeah? 2108 02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:26.560 It is. 2109 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:31.840 Look at that in three months this stupid ass rug 2110 02:02:31.920 --> 02:02:38.520 pull coin has actually gone up. That's amazing. By the way, 2111 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:40.439 I'm not at all promoting the stupid You gotta be 2112 02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:46.479 a total dumb dumb to buy this stupid thing. What's up, man, yo? 2113 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:47.399 Can you hear me? 2114 02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:49.159 Uh huh okay. 2115 02:02:50.680 --> 02:02:53.720 I was gonna ask you about when you think of 2116 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:57.079 Robert Eggers and specifically Nosparato. 2117 02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:02.439 I'm a big fan of his films. Like obviously I watched. 2118 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:04.840 Your video about the Witch and how it got like 2119 02:03:05.640 --> 02:03:08.399 promoted by like some Satanic group. 2120 02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:10.720 That was strange. 2121 02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:11.479 Yeah. 2122 02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:15.199 I didn't like Nusrato either. That was gross. I thought 2123 02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:18.840 it was like pro uh you know, the woman rides 2124 02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:21.399 the beast type stuff. I thought that was very Krollian. 2125 02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:23.479 That was my take on it. 2126 02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:28.119 M Yeah, because I mean, obviously, I mean I remember 2127 02:03:28.239 --> 02:03:30.359 watching it and you know, he goes to the Orthodox 2128 02:03:30.560 --> 02:03:32.800 Church and I you know, soy faced at the screen. 2129 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:37.239 But other than that, the movie was pretty demonic. 2130 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.079 Yeah, I think that in the book it's kind of 2131 02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:43.399 that way, or in the in the Yeah, in the 2132 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:46.720 book it's kind of it would be Orthodox Church. 2133 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:50.479 Yeah, it can't it can't not be demonic obviously because 2134 02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:51.319 about Dracula. 2135 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:52.520 But I don't know. 2136 02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:53.560 I enjoy that. 2137 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:55.680 Guy's films as being filmed. 2138 02:03:55.760 --> 02:04:02.720 But I've liked, I've only liked. I mean, there's elements 2139 02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:04.720 of The Witch that I liked, elements that I didn't like. 2140 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:06.359 I thought the Northman was pretty good. 2141 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:09.079 The rest of them, the Norseman was probably the best. 2142 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:10.680 Yeah, the rest of them I don't care for. I 2143 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:14.760 didn't like Lighthouse was super gay. We did a breakdown 2144 02:04:14.840 --> 02:04:18.800 of that, and I. 2145 02:04:18.840 --> 02:04:21.840 Mean, I don't know if you heard, uh, I mean 2146 02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:25.640 you probably did hear about the news of the suicide bombing. 2147 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:28.039 I think it was like two weeks ago in the Syria. 2148 02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:34.520 I heard that. I heard that, Yes, the Orthodox Church, 2149 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:37.119 I did hear that, yes, and then today Syria was 2150 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:48.920 getting I think attacked by Israel, right Tranquil Panther, Yes, 2151 02:04:49.039 --> 02:04:55.119 that's correct. The Noserato movie Exaggerate exaggerated the esoteric stuff 2152 02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:58.079 for sure, because it's not actually that occultic in the book. 2153 02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:06.800 But Aggers definitely does put the you know, legit Sigils 2154 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:08.880 and Crowley and stuff in his movies, and that's kind 2155 02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.079 of what we were That's what we were pointing out 2156 02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:13.239 at the very beginning when we did the Witch analysis. 2157 02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:17.720 What's up, man, I'm starting to get a headache that 2158 02:05:17.840 --> 02:05:20.640 one ginger doesn't carry me. What's up? 2159 02:05:21.800 --> 02:05:22.479 Thanks for having me on. 2160 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:26.680 I was really enjoying the conversation earlier about like authenticity 2161 02:05:26.920 --> 02:05:30.920 and music and AI. Actually kind of an interesting thought 2162 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:33.000 that I've been thinking about for a while, redaring that 2163 02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:36.319 maybe just wanting to get your thoughts on AI in general. 2164 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:39.800 So I was thinking, you know, what would I do 2165 02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:43.319 if I was a kind of evil record executive and 2166 02:05:43.359 --> 02:05:46.600 I want to set to pump out as many vehicles 2167 02:05:46.720 --> 02:05:50.399 for getting money and attention as possible. I think you're 2168 02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:53.000 absolutely right that no one's going to want to listen 2169 02:05:53.079 --> 02:05:55.560 to music that they know isn't authentic. 2170 02:05:56.319 --> 02:05:58.600 But I think they're going to start hiding. 2171 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:00.720 The fact that they're using AI and just instead of 2172 02:06:01.479 --> 02:06:04.319 producers and ghostwriters in the background, is just all going 2173 02:06:04.399 --> 02:06:07.000 to be AI ghost written. And you know what I 2174 02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:08.600 would do if I was one of these executives is 2175 02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:11.720 I would just find some up and coming person on 2176 02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:14.600 TikTok and I would pay them to use their voice 2177 02:06:14.640 --> 02:06:18.239 to train us singing models and then have like do 2178 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:20.600 one hundred of these and then just do market research 2179 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:25.279 on SoundCloud to see which one will hit the artist demographically. 2180 02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:25.600 And then pump them up. 2181 02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:29.000 Oh that's a really good Yeah, they should hire you 2182 02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:31.760 to run their scams for them, Tranquil Panther, because that 2183 02:06:31.840 --> 02:06:34.399 sounds like literally what they would do. 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Thanks for having 2200 02:07:22.600 --> 02:07:24.439 me on, Jake Good Topics. 2201 02:07:24.279 --> 02:07:25.520 Thank you, Thank you for coming. 2202 02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:26.439 Yeah. 2203 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:27.720 Thanks, what's up, Josh? 2204 02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:28.680 Hey? 2205 02:07:28.760 --> 02:07:33.239 I wanted to ask what you thought about hypernormalization and 2206 02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.479 the kind of everything they see in the news, Like 2207 02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:42.039 the Epstein stuff is specifically designed to insense people, and 2208 02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:46.399 like you know, it's all kind of a distraction. 2209 02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:49.640 Uh, in a way that's absolutely correct. In fact, we 2210 02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:53.600 used to do old afternoon commutes with John Adams and 2211 02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:55.880 Chris John that just called in a minute ago, where 2212 02:07:55.920 --> 02:07:58.159 we talked about how a lot of this stuff getting 2213 02:07:58.199 --> 02:08:03.239 out is actually to desensitize people to these degenerate things, 2214 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:06.920 and so that's a huge part of social engineering. I 2215 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:09.920 would say that there's probably a big, big element that's 2216 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:19.520 going on there. Inn El Kasmin two pounds. What is 2217 02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:23.840 your opinion about the Dutch? Are you talking about the 2218 02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:27.560 John Hughes movie Dutch, which is actually pretty funny. I 2219 02:08:27.600 --> 02:08:33.279 don't know what the Dutch is anyway, Guys, be sure 2220 02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:35.880 and hit like and share, and also you can get 2221 02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:41.520 the esoteric Hollywood previous installments at Jay's Analysis one and two. 2222 02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:44.800 Be aware that it will be a few weeks out now. 2223 02:08:45.239 --> 02:08:48.720 I'm having to rewrite some stuff on part three, but 2224 02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:49.920 you will get your copies. 2225 02:08:49.960 --> 02:08:55.520 Don't worry. I will be speaking at the Ludlow Conference. 2226 02:09:06.119 --> 02:09:14.600 You can get your tickets here. Yeah, this one. Oh, 2227 02:09:14.680 --> 02:09:25.680 this goes to Clark Carlton. This one Stafford, Virginia, September sixth, 2228 02:09:25.880 --> 02:09:27.479 So you can get your tickets there if you want 2229 02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:36.399 to come to that. I feel like I'm forgetting something 2230 02:09:36.439 --> 02:09:40.880 else that I was supposed to talk about. Oh, we'll 2231 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:44.640 be back tonight with George on the history of the 2232 02:09:44.720 --> 02:09:48.840 forgeries and his new book Errors of the Latins. So 2233 02:09:49.039 --> 02:09:52.159 come back for that tonight at nine pm. Thank you 2234 02:09:52.239 --> 02:09:54.399 guys for calling in a lot of fun today, A 2235 02:09:54.439 --> 02:09:56.119 little bit of a different stream. I wanted to kind 2236 02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:57.600 of mix it up, see what we got if we 2237 02:09:57.760 --> 02:10:03.439 mixed in calls on any topic versus just the theology topic. 2238 02:10:03.600 --> 02:10:06.319 So we'll see how that goes. If you wouldn't like 2239 02:10:06.399 --> 02:10:10.680 and share and otherwise, we'll see you guys soon