Speaker 1: And the idea is that the only worldview which can
Speaker 1: give a robust or coherent account of them is the
Speaker 1: orthodox Christian worldview.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way I steered the argument.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to say, like, unfavorable also
Speaker 1: to the idea that.
Speaker 2: One has to compare world views.
Speaker 1: So I think these people who sort of call on
Speaker 1: and they go like, oh, prove to me that you're
Speaker 1: better than all other world views in one argument, they're
Speaker 1: kind of being silly. So unfavorable to that. Okay, But
Speaker 1: my question is sort of a bit more fundamental. I
Speaker 1: guess what is one? Why is one supposed to be
Speaker 1: committed to explaining these facts? So take for example knowledge,
Speaker 1: So let's take the true classical analysis of knowledge.
Speaker 2: True justified believer.
Speaker 1: Right, So what say it's the case that we do
Speaker 1: a worldview comparison.
Speaker 2: And you sort of managed.
Speaker 1: To give me reasons to believe that I can't have
Speaker 1: justification in all above terms. Why wouldn't my move at
Speaker 1: that point be to just lower the threshold or what
Speaker 1: I consider to be a justification, Like why isn't the
Speaker 1: move then to just be to lower the conditions for
Speaker 1: the supposed fact rather than to accept a world view
Speaker 1: which in alignment with the strong.
Speaker 3: Facts, well, I think it would just really weaken the
Speaker 3: argument as a whole. And so, in other words, in
Speaker 3: a debate setting, if you lower the threshold of what
Speaker 3: council's justification for your position or your worldview, then I
Speaker 3: can do the same thing, and then we're at just
Speaker 3: an impasse. We're basically just surrendering what it means to debate.
Speaker 5: No, so I don't thinker Perps, I wasn't speaking fully
Speaker 5: accurately that what I'm trying to ask is that we
Speaker 5: have this fact.
Speaker 1: It can be sort of appearances of knowledge or morality,
Speaker 1: or the self or identity or causality or.
Speaker 2: Something across time.
Speaker 1: Now, in philosophical views, you can have strong and weak
Speaker 1: versions of these views. Right, it seems that the transcendental
Speaker 1: arguments category treats or having to explain the strong existence
Speaker 1: of these viewes. But what is the reason to believe
Speaker 1: that we are in the business and needing to explain
Speaker 1: the strong existence of these things rather than the weak existence.
Speaker 2: Of these things.
Speaker 3: Again, because the comparison in the setting is in the
Speaker 3: context of a debate. So in a debate, the argumentation
Speaker 3: and the laws of logic are not typically seen as
Speaker 3: things that are in some way weakly justified. They're assumed
Speaker 3: to be some kind of objective measures and means by
Speaker 3: which you could adjudicate the true in the false. So
Speaker 3: if we just start weakening the positions to where none
Speaker 3: of that is required again, and I would just repeat
Speaker 3: my same point, like, well, then don't I do the
Speaker 3: same thing, father deacon? What do you think of this? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean it kind of first order knowledge, Like I
Speaker 6: think we're all fine having the weak version rather than
Speaker 6: a strong kind of Cartesian.
Speaker 2: You know, our justifications and reasons.
Speaker 6: Have to be indubitable and stuff like that at the
Speaker 6: first order, none of us, I personally don't think, because
Speaker 6: then nothing would count as knowledge. But it's a separate
Speaker 6: question about overcoming global skepticism and providing the justification for
Speaker 6: knowledge and morality itself. That's a different category.
Speaker 2: So you could be open to.
Speaker 7: Like, well, yeah, like we can establish that knowledge exists,
Speaker 7: and how I'm finding a first order like having a
Speaker 7: weak version, right, but arguing for a second.
Speaker 3: Order, And that's a great point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in general is a different sort of thing it requires,
Speaker 6: So we.
Speaker 2: Can't just in that sense. Well, I'll I'll just weaken it.
Speaker 8: So that.
Speaker 6: Anything can work. I mean, how helpful is that going
Speaker 6: to be? Because what's like, well, then could any paradigm
Speaker 6: work for because we really want to.
Speaker 2: Know is orthodoxy true?
Speaker 6: People always miss that, is that they get caught up
Speaker 6: in the kind of the weeds and the details.
Speaker 2: But it's like, well, don't you want to know if.
Speaker 6: Orthodoxy is true, if that's what actually grounds knowledge or not?
Speaker 2: And so if we just.
Speaker 6: Weaken at the level that level of justification, of overcoming
Speaker 6: global skepticism and providing justification as a second order, then
Speaker 6: anything just works. It becomes kind of arbitrary. It's like, well,
Speaker 6: I guess any paradigm could work, and that that's certainly,
Speaker 6: as Jay is saying in terms of debate of world views,
Speaker 6: is not going to get us anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if if you can lower the threshold
Speaker 3: and opponent can do the same thing, and we're basically
Speaker 3: just not getting anywhere, there's no not really any point
Speaker 3: in doing the debate. I mean, you know, like probably
Speaker 3: you can say like at that point, what then I
Speaker 3: guess any conceivable worldview could then grant or meet some
Speaker 3: standard or justification. Be bop, what's up?
Speaker 2: I mute, Hey, what's up now?
Speaker 3: What's on your mind? You can hear them?
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 10: So I've been questioning lately the validity of Genesis and
Speaker 10: how it relates kind of to like, uh, secular science
Speaker 10: has been like painting out as like you know, the
Speaker 10: layers of Earth, thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Of sediment, et cetera.
Speaker 11: And I was just wondering if you took genesis literally
Speaker 11: or you know, in part figuratively or what.
Speaker 3: Uh No I favor a young creation and uh early
Speaker 3: date all that, Like, uh, I think so called secular
Speaker 3: science is even more ridiculous than whatever you think is
Speaker 3: ridiculous about Genesis.
Speaker 10: I think morally, secular scientism is kind of retarded. It
Speaker 10: kind of points out to like an ideal situation where
Speaker 10: everyone just kills themselves because there's not really any morals
Speaker 10: to be had, especially whenever if nothing is actually meaningful
Speaker 10: in an existence where it's just.
Speaker 3: Kind of like yeah, but I mean beyond the ethics,
Speaker 3: which I agree with you, but like, I mean, if
Speaker 3: you wanted to go the route of secular science, like
Speaker 3: it can't tell you anything about all the principles that
Speaker 3: it uses to come to its quote scientific conclusion. So
Speaker 3: all the things that science uses which are out of
Speaker 3: the domain of science, like induction, walls of logic, you know,
Speaker 3: all those things. None of those things are actually the
Speaker 3: priview of science or the regularity of nature over time.
Speaker 3: I mean, all science relies on those things, and yet
Speaker 3: none of those things can be proven by science.
Speaker 2: Let me add too.
Speaker 6: You know, aersol has this principle that when I'm playing
Speaker 6: something that might be obscure or not clear, you go
Speaker 6: to what's more clear, not more obscure. So it always
Speaker 6: kind of baffles me when we have these kinds of
Speaker 6: questions that people.
Speaker 2: Go, well, let's go to science.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, that's the most obscure, epistemically shaky kind
Speaker 6: of disciplines that you could actually go.
Speaker 2: Why would you go there to think?
Speaker 10: I think the majority, like the consensus for you know, schools, for.
Speaker 3: What the majority consensus of what you cut out. Dude,
Speaker 3: we can't hear you. Maybe if you call back, I'll.
Speaker 2: Bring it back. Logos epistemically shaky too.
Speaker 6: Whatever the current theory is is going to change, So
Speaker 6: you're grounding and making arguments from thrown out Like it's
Speaker 6: like the same people that like go to higher textual criticisms. Well,
Speaker 6: the consensus among you know, secular philosophy of religion people
Speaker 6: is that it's like, wait, a couple of years and
Speaker 6: it's going to be something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wanted to hear where it was going, but
Speaker 3: he cut out, oh what's up name? Hey?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask about.
Speaker 3: The stots, what you're coming in? Hello, ask about what
Speaker 3: we're just repeat.
Speaker 2: It about the menopha sites.
Speaker 13: So I'm seeing this kind of tendency towards the cumunism
Speaker 13: with the Monophosites, even though like the Christological position is
Speaker 13: completely illogical.
Speaker 14: Absolute, but also like I was speaking to my priests
Speaker 14: at some point, and I remember you were talking about
Speaker 14: different earlier liturgy is with the Protestant and I think
Speaker 14: you mentioned lit said.
Speaker 3: Mark, mm hmm. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 15: If this is true, but my priest said about the
Speaker 15: list of Saint Mark that it's not.
Speaker 16: Actually something that can be traced back to Saint Mark,
Speaker 16: that only the Monophasites, I think, attributed it to Saint
Speaker 16: Mark from their own sort of monoposite tradition or something
Speaker 16: that it was compiled that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe, I don't know. I've always heard that
Speaker 3: it is an ancient liturgy. But I like, what you
Speaker 3: could have a situation where there is an ancient liturgy,
Speaker 3: maybe they tweaked it in later centuries. I mean, but
Speaker 3: we do have, for example, the tradition that Mark did
Speaker 3: found the church in Alexandria, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the kind of narrative I quote for my
Speaker 2: priest was like, so you.
Speaker 16: Have the list of Saint James, which eventually became the
Speaker 16: basis for of the y Mischief of St.
Speaker 2: But that apparently what the leason you have Saint Mark
Speaker 2: was was a bunch of combinations.
Speaker 16: Of different liturgical traditions and they just slapped Saint Mark's
Speaker 16: name on it.
Speaker 4: Apparently.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean I'm not a liturgical scholar, but
Speaker 3: I don't think that if if they did say repent
Speaker 3: of their errors, I mean, I don't think they would
Speaker 3: have to adopt some different liturgy. This just to me,
Speaker 3: this just seems like a minutia. Okay, I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, so like even even the Orthodox
Speaker 3: Wiki dates it to the fourth century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what you could have had is something that.
Speaker 6: That Saint Mark gave some kind of nation kind of
Speaker 6: version of uh, a liturgy of which and because we
Speaker 6: know that again liturgies have developed and things were added,
Speaker 6: and you get the the hull a nation of that,
Speaker 6: you know, and I should say, the completion of it
Speaker 6: by the fourth century. It's fine to call the Liturgy
Speaker 6: of Saint Mark. It doesn't mean like in its completed form,
Speaker 6: that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the version that we have, I'm sure
Speaker 3: of Saint John Chrystostom is not identical to what he did.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm just assuming.
Speaker 2: And also regarding the both sides.
Speaker 3: Like by the way, it looks as if the Orthodox
Speaker 3: patriarch has done the Liturgy of Saint Mark, which I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, if this is some heterodox liturgy, I don't
Speaker 3: think they would do it. I mean I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're just doing it for you know, ecumenius reasons
Speaker 3: or something. I don't know, but hello, are you there?
Speaker 3: We seem to be losing everybody today. I mean, it
Speaker 3: looks like they have done the Orthodox Church has done
Speaker 3: the Liturgy of Saint Mark. Maybe you won't argue that's
Speaker 3: that they shouldn't. I don't know. I didn't even think.
Speaker 3: I didn't didn't even think this was some sort of
Speaker 3: controversial issue. But whatever matter of the churgical scholar John
Speaker 3: John Smith? What's up, John Smith? You want to um
Speaker 3: you Michigan became a member for two months. Keep up
Speaker 3: the great word, Jay. I'm proud of your success. Been
Speaker 3: supporting you in any way I can since twenty twenty. Yes,
Speaker 3: thank you, Michigan. I recall all of your beloved faithful
Speaker 3: super chests over the years. I don't understand why you
Speaker 3: got hello, Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 11: So I've got two questions, Okay. My first is, so
Speaker 11: I came up with this Protestant argument. I don't know
Speaker 11: if I read in a YouTube comment or if I
Speaker 11: dreamed it, but I was wondering what you thought about it.
Speaker 11: So it's against abos dawks succession is the would be
Speaker 11: the The point is that Saint Paul seems to be,
Speaker 11: if not equal to Saint Peter.
Speaker 2: He's he's a leader of.
Speaker 3: The apostles, right and Paul or Peter.
Speaker 11: Saint Paul is a I mean even in our liturgy, right,
Speaker 11: Saint Peter and Saint Paul are the leaders.
Speaker 3: Uh huh?
Speaker 11: And I mean like acts is kind of divided up
Speaker 11: between Saint Peter and then Saint Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Peter Peter's apostle to the Jews and Paul
Speaker 3: to the Gentiles. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So the argument is that the is it Ax one
Speaker 11: or Acts two where they choose Matthias one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Uh, it seems like the Apostolics secession doesn't really take
Speaker 11: because we don't hear from Matthias at all. I mean,
Speaker 11: I think there's there's some extra biblical tradition about like
Speaker 11: what happens.
Speaker 3: To him, But that's an argument from silence.
Speaker 17: How does that prove that appstoc succession doesn't follow because
Speaker 17: we don't quote hear from him?
Speaker 18: Again, Well, it's because Saint Paul doesn't really have the
Speaker 18: Apostolic succession. It's like he was directly called by God,
Speaker 18: So I guess that would be succession.
Speaker 3: So what do you mean? Wait, say what? Jesus is
Speaker 3: the one that appoints them right to be an apostle.
Speaker 3: The word means to be one that is sent. So
Speaker 3: Paul's becoming an apostle is one who is sent directly
Speaker 3: from Jesus.
Speaker 11: So he is an apostle, but he wasn't one of
Speaker 11: the twelve and he wasn't so appointed.
Speaker 2: Well, Jesus was alive.
Speaker 3: Jesus is alive. So yeah, he was appointed.
Speaker 2: And furthermore too, uh uh.
Speaker 6: Blessed Saint Theophlock has a really good commentary on.
Speaker 2: This is that you also see.
Speaker 6: In at him being received considerably in terms of modality
Speaker 6: by the other apostles as well, because there was a controversy.
Speaker 6: You can imagine that like, well, how could he be
Speaker 6: an apostle?
Speaker 2: You know, the murder of Christians and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: So his testimony of receiving and being apostolos from Christ
Speaker 6: himself is received by the apostles, and you see this
Speaker 6: play out in the Council of Jerusalem in Acts as well.
Speaker 2: So that's apostols like he's an apostle.
Speaker 6: The apostles themselves confirm the veracity of his testimony being
Speaker 6: called by Christ himself, and so that's all you need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that people are coming up with these
Speaker 3: arbitrary things like no, no, to be an apostle means
Speaker 3: that you have to have been in the presence of
Speaker 3: Christ when he was alive. Dummies, Jesus is alive. Paul
Speaker 3: is not having a vision of a dead Jesus. It's
Speaker 3: the resurrected Jesus. What are you. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: This man? This stuff. I'm not trying to be mean,
Speaker 3: but this is just silly.
Speaker 6: Actually, who is also he was one of the twelve,
Speaker 6: but he was of the seventy actually or.
Speaker 2: Danes of the apostle Paul and receives him.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, look up Antonius in the book backs.
Speaker 3: What's up man, Jason? All right, he can't connect Tallahassee.
Speaker 3: You wanna try again? Yeah, Paul didn't change anything. I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's just nonsense Islamic bullshit.
Speaker 19: What's up man, Timothy?
Speaker 3: Hello, yep, hey, uh.
Speaker 2: I've called a couple of times.
Speaker 15: I want to point out some father Deacon said earlier.
Speaker 20: Is it that all the Catholic professors he's around give
Speaker 20: different arguments?
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 16: I thought they all did the cash me outside policy
Speaker 16: when they started doing debates.
Speaker 2: At last debate I saw with the.
Speaker 16: Catholic professor, he told you to cash him outside.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give you a bunch of money.
Speaker 3: He's talking about at his Uh yeah, he's at a
Speaker 3: Catholic college, So that's true. Jetters, what's up? Jeters? Jeters? Creepers.
Speaker 3: These gender cheos have calmed me down from the bad arguments.
Speaker 3: Jeter's unmute, limp bricks, lem Me pricks. What's that name?
Speaker 3: Lem me pricks? U mute? Yeah, maybe something wrong with uh?
Speaker 3: Maybe Twitter is not doing well today. That dog, I'm mute.
Speaker 3: That dog, I'm mute. DGC rarities, that dog un mute.
Speaker 3: It's weird. Auntie, straight white male fied dollars. Jay get
Speaker 3: an anxiety pin like a real man. I don't have
Speaker 3: anxiety problems. I don't know what you're talking about. I
Speaker 3: just can go from zero to seventy five in anger
Speaker 3: points if my blood sugar is low. What's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: His internet broke today. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Nobody can connect, nobody knows how to do a mic. Jeters,
Speaker 3: you want to try again? I'm your Hey, Oh you're
Speaker 3: right man.
Speaker 2: I just have a couple of questions.
Speaker 21: I'm pretty new to ORPHODOXI and I was wondering, So
Speaker 21: I have an atheist family. I was wondering how I
Speaker 21: would go about trying to get them on the right side.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you're going to ever convince
Speaker 3: your family members with argumentation unless they ask you, So
Speaker 3: I would just try to be super loving and nice
Speaker 3: and then and then eventually they'll ask you questions and
Speaker 3: then answer them. But do not try to argue with
Speaker 3: your family slinger. What's up? Never works?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 22: Can you hear me? M?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had a question. What is your guys views?
Speaker 23: Because I know the Greeks and Russians have different views,
Speaker 23: and I know it's kind of uh, just depends.
Speaker 2: On the church.
Speaker 23: What is your guys' view on like rebaptizing someone.
Speaker 17: Uh, it's up to the bishop and the canons of
Speaker 17: the Church that are interpreted by the bishop.
Speaker 23: Okay, because I know rebaptist.
Speaker 3: It's not a rebaptism, Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's just a
Speaker 3: baptism where there's not.
Speaker 23: Okay, because I know in the canons there was when
Speaker 23: I was reading.
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know if it.
Speaker 23: Was the second or the third Council, there was like
Speaker 23: against people getting baptized again.
Speaker 3: But I guess you guys, it's a case by case basis.
Speaker 3: The count the Canons of the sixth Council give other
Speaker 3: cases where people do have to be baptized because the
Speaker 3: other baptism was not a baptism was not recognized. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll go read for example, the sixth Council says that
Speaker 3: if it was a Unomian baptism, it doesn't it doesn't count. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll so it's a case by case basis, John,
Speaker 3: what's up. I'm just, man, I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 3: I'm just so sick of that question, Dude. It's like
Speaker 3: that in ps A.
Speaker 24: Man.
Speaker 3: If I have to answer and explain PSA in that
Speaker 3: question one more time, I just I'm I'm gonna flip
Speaker 3: the table, like Sam Hot, I'm just kidding. What's up?
Speaker 2: Man Ullo?
Speaker 25: Yeah, So I had a question about uh men, and like,
Speaker 25: is there any other like documentaries about governments muddying the
Speaker 25: water that you would recommend?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of documentaries that cover intelligence
Speaker 3: operations and stuff like that. Like there's the one about
Speaker 3: William Colby that's good that FDA recommended to me. I
Speaker 3: forget the name of it, but it's William Coldy's son.
Speaker 3: I think made a documentary about his dad. There are
Speaker 3: documentaries about history of espionage CIA operations. There's millions of those.
Speaker 3: But the only other thing about aliens being a syop
Speaker 3: that I would recommend that's really good is the Collins
Speaker 3: Brothers book Invoking the Beyond. But I'm not aware of
Speaker 3: any other specific documentaries about alien syops. But great question exempted,
Speaker 3: no face kill two dollars. Isn't it funny that Jews, Liberals,
Speaker 3: Muslims all hate Paul? There is a commonality there that
Speaker 3: they have this weird just like a Paul what's up?
Speaker 3: Straight white male says an anxiety Pin is a Dean
Speaker 3: Withers reference. I don't know who Dean Withers is. Is
Speaker 3: that a stand up Dean Withers? Oh? Is that this
Speaker 3: insane liberal dude? Let's see this? Cody and Joe?
Speaker 14: Are you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? He is this kid?
Speaker 2: This like liberal kid on TikTok the operative of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party.
Speaker 26: Do I vape?
Speaker 19: No, it's a fucking anxiety pen. It's an anxiety pin.
Speaker 3: Joe? When will people get it right? Cody?
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen to me, man, I've I've had it up
Speaker 8: to here with people coming on this stream.
Speaker 3: Is this trolling? He looks like he's about to laugh.
Speaker 3: I can't tell this is fake or real.
Speaker 8: And telling me that I vaked, Cody, I.
Speaker 22: Need you to hear me when.
Speaker 26: I say this, I don't vape.
Speaker 8: And the fact that you would perceive me as a
Speaker 8: person that would vape, that would smoke the nicotine. It honestly,
Speaker 8: it makes me disheartened in the way that I'm presenting
Speaker 8: myself to my community.
Speaker 3: This seems like he's trying to be funny. I can't
Speaker 3: tell this or not.
Speaker 8: Because I guess what, It's not a fucking vape. It's
Speaker 8: an anxiety.
Speaker 3: Pin.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry that I have anxiety, Okay, And honestly, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's kind of the thought of people like you that
Speaker 8: want to come up.
Speaker 26: And bully and burrabe me over something that I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 26: so cut this shit. It's not a vape, all right,
Speaker 26: It's an anxiety Pin. And God, God, the amount of
Speaker 26: times that I've.
Speaker 8: Asked you to respect me and respect my anxiety, PIN
Speaker 8: is at this point getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I can't tell if this is this serious or not.
Speaker 3: I literally do not know they're paying They're saying it's
Speaker 3: gay rage. I could see it could be in either one.
Speaker 3: I've literally never seen this good. I think Andrew debated him,
Speaker 3: but I've never seen him. I don't know anything about why.
Speaker 17: By the way, why is anybody listening to fifteen year
Speaker 17: olds like this? Dude looks like he's fifteen.
Speaker 3: No fifteen year old has any information or knowledge about
Speaker 3: the world that you should ever listen to at all.
Speaker 3: No fifteen year old can tell you or teach you anything.
Speaker 3: This dude literally looks like he's mat me thirteen. What
Speaker 3: kind of freaking thirteen year old tell you about the world?
Speaker 3: Nothing that he probably has a million subscribers too. I
Speaker 3: think this is what's going on. The whole world is
Speaker 3: becoming infantilized. And everybody quit reading books and they listened
Speaker 3: to thirteen year olds on TikTok and now everybody's done.
Speaker 3: That's what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I did a whole stream on that.
Speaker 6: There was, you know, an actual push a personal and
Speaker 6: infantilization of society. Yes, playing with toys and I mean.
Speaker 3: Yes, funko pops this kid whatever. This is this democratic science? Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is like the democrat. I think you're right. This
Speaker 3: is like, let's take a young thirteen year old white
Speaker 3: boy and how can we speak to young white males
Speaker 3: to make them into faking gay democrats?
Speaker 8: Cody Ya, So please justified for the final and uh,
Speaker 8: for the billionth time, will you please just respect the
Speaker 8: fact that it's none of it in medicine anxiety open.
Speaker 2: Get it right, thirteen year old, fifteen year old?
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, exactly, and.
Speaker 6: It's the whole I mean, you see this as a
Speaker 6: total sy op.
Speaker 2: To in Hollywood what the kids know best.
Speaker 18: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great point. Yes, in movies, the kids
Speaker 3: always know what's up, and the parents are like them.
Speaker 2: The parents are dumb.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna have Lord of the Flies with the children.
Speaker 2: Exactly because they they're the ones that know. You see.
Speaker 3: Speaking of one of the best all time Jamie Kennedy
Speaker 3: skits is Child Island, and uh, this is exactly what
Speaker 3: we are. This one is so great if you've never
Speaker 3: seen this one, this is one of my favorite all
Speaker 3: time skits where Jamie predence to be a Hollywood producer
Speaker 3: that's going to produce the reality show kind of like Survivor,
Speaker 3: but it's with kids and it's called Child Island, and uh,
Speaker 3: each tries to sell it to these parents as this
Speaker 3: like greasy Hollywood producer. The funniest part of the whole
Speaker 3: thing is the promo of the kids on the island
Speaker 3: that he's showing to the parents in real time. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to play the whole clip, because you guys
Speaker 3: should watch it. But it's literally it's one of his best.
Speaker 3: This one is this.
Speaker 2: Probably starts in the eighties too. You know even these
Speaker 2: are a great show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly withies exactly, Yes.
Speaker 6: Like the kids the parents are dumb, Yes, and kids
Speaker 6: is the detector.
Speaker 2: Maybe even starts.
Speaker 27: Children are on a remote island with just on their backs.
Speaker 27: They must forage for food, for shelter, for their very lives.
Speaker 3: The best part of this whole skit, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: the parents being willing to some of them are actually
Speaker 3: willing to put their kids on this isl one. It's
Speaker 3: kind of weird. But this is the funniest part right here,
Speaker 3: and it's there's the Lord of the Flies joke throughout
Speaker 3: this video.
Speaker 27: Welcome to the final chapter in reality television.
Speaker 2: Welcome to.
Speaker 4: Child.
Speaker 3: The funniest part is the hog. When they fast motion
Speaker 3: the hog. That just gets me for some re.
Speaker 28: Yeah, and they have presently.
Speaker 4: What do I do?
Speaker 26: Let school on the park?
Speaker 27: Forget who they were, who they are?
Speaker 3: I miss I missed the hogs. The hog part, that's
Speaker 3: the best part. Go watch this whole skin. I can't
Speaker 3: play the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But by the way, this is literally my apartment complex.
Speaker 2: We have a whole Lord of the Flies children's civilization
Speaker 2: chairs where.
Speaker 6: They all around wild like really yeah, they don't seem
Speaker 6: to have any parents. They don't go to school, and
Speaker 6: they're all just out like building forts and fires and
Speaker 6: running around spears. I mean, good thing they're not on
Speaker 6: you know, the technology, but they're literally I make jokes about.
Speaker 3: Four of the Flies. Yeah, here's the hog snort. He
Speaker 3: that fast motion hog man. That just gets me for
Speaker 3: some reason. All right, what's up, dude. Welcome everybody from
Speaker 3: the Crucible. We are watching Jamie Kennedy experiment clips some
Speaker 3: of the best.
Speaker 17: Because I don't know how we got on child Island.
Speaker 17: But somebody has a good joke here. They said, nowadays
Speaker 17: child Island has a different meaning. I think he's telling
Speaker 17: Aboutjeff Stin, mceffrey, no face killer, straight white, mall five dollars.
Speaker 3: The left calls this what's this kid's name, Dean Withers.
Speaker 3: They call him there Joe Rogan, whoa dude, I can't
Speaker 3: it's hard to believe some of the stuff is real.
Speaker 3: Let's see who's next.
Speaker 2: That's how we got on it.
Speaker 6: Because we're talking about the.
Speaker 3: Sigh, Yeah, exactly, everybody being like a kid and looking
Speaker 3: to this like thirteen year old child for wisdom and God.
Speaker 6: By the way I talked about that, they didn't rage
Speaker 6: too because I remember the first when I was when
Speaker 6: I was a child.
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, eighteen or whatever, went.
Speaker 6: To the first rave and I was like, this is crazy,
Speaker 6: Like everybody's running around with pacifiers and like the girls
Speaker 6: are holding dolls and they've got all.
Speaker 3: The interesting Yeah, why would everybody be acting like a
Speaker 3: kid at a rave? That is weird?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it was, I mean, the girl what do
Speaker 6: they call them candy girls or something like that, candy kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at they're.
Speaker 6: All wearing like kids, beads and pacifiers.
Speaker 2: In their mouth.
Speaker 6: And I knew even back Dan, and you know, I wasn't,
Speaker 6: you know, completely aware of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, this has got to be a CI.
Speaker 3: So the culture of Eversis does not say that you
Speaker 3: could I talk about promp booties. What's up?
Speaker 19: Zeesh?
Speaker 3: I'm you Ridge pounder five dollars? That sounds weird. Ridge
Speaker 3: pounder five dollars. Thoughts on Borrow's Walden did don't even
Speaker 3: make it through that book I was boring as hell.
Speaker 3: I had that in a grad grad lit class and
Speaker 3: I was like, I am not going to finish this book.
Speaker 3: I don't like any of these trans and dentalists. They don't.
Speaker 3: This is not my vibe.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: Men have become tools of their tools. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 3: maybe I should revisit it. Maybe I would like it now.
Speaker 3: Rachel Wilson What's up? Became a member.
Speaker 17: She gives gifts ten memberships. Props to Rachel for that
Speaker 17: much appreciated shout out to the Crucible and all the
Speaker 17: people over there.
Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. Everybody to the limit, everybody to the limit.
Speaker 3: Ze on, mute man, it's open debates.
Speaker 29: Everybody in the place to be what you're gonna do?
Speaker 17: Heyj oh we got a we got a legit British
Speaker 17: raver in the house.
Speaker 3: What's up dog?
Speaker 30: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hey man? Yeah, No, I just wanted to say it
Speaker 2: was good. I chimed in today to check the.
Speaker 29: Courtney Courtney thing that you did on the whole transhumanism
Speaker 29: and everything.
Speaker 3: Was really the Dark Enlightenment bros. Yeah all that.
Speaker 29: So yeah, I just wanted to say, I build anti
Speaker 29: nano technology, so based on all this kind of Internet
Speaker 29: of everything, Internet of things, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 29: and yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, it
Speaker 29: was good, what it.
Speaker 2: Was good, what she was covering. And I kind of
Speaker 2: focus on like the low.
Speaker 29: Tech versus the big tech, or kind of like David
Speaker 29: and Goliath.
Speaker 2: And listening to what you guys were saying.
Speaker 29: It's like, there's so much emphasis put on this AI
Speaker 29: being so what it isn't And I kind of always
Speaker 29: say it's based on compartmentalized stupidity, like compartmentalized science. And
Speaker 29: I've gone right back to the nineteen hundreds to when
Speaker 29: you know, when the medicine was medicine, the food was food.
Speaker 2: The technology was technology.
Speaker 29: It's really interesting because when you look at the literature
Speaker 29: there's an electrotherapy museum in Florida, you can see that
Speaker 29: they were based on truth. I think obviously there was
Speaker 29: none of this new age garbage and all that kind
Speaker 29: of stuff. So they incorporate the ether back then, which
Speaker 29: I think is a missing thing.
Speaker 2: So the analog, which me and you have been around, you.
Speaker 29: Know, the hip hop, all that kind of stuff, the
Speaker 29: original music. The analog technology, I think is one of
Speaker 29: the things that disrupts this digital reality that people think,
Speaker 29: you know, is what it is. But I think we've
Speaker 29: I think we've won this battle anyway. I think it's
Speaker 29: that during Corona, I realized that so many people were
Speaker 29: focused on government, not God, and I kind of leaned
Speaker 29: more towards God at that point theologian.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I.
Speaker 29: Just want to share that there's so much that we
Speaker 29: can do, like with all the geo engineering, thet you know,
Speaker 29: the interoperability, all that kind of stuff that you hear
Speaker 29: about in the crypto to remain human. I think that's
Speaker 29: what we're doing. How do I remain human? I sort
Speaker 29: of to chime in. I thought it was a really
Speaker 29: good podcast. I don't know her work, so it was
Speaker 29: quite good to listen to, and I just wanted to
Speaker 29: share that there's and also you mentioned you mentioned the
Speaker 29: Bucky bulls. That was funny when you mentioned the buggy
Speaker 29: bulls and you so just about because you said your stack,
Speaker 29: you know, your chuck and all that stuff, which I
Speaker 29: think I've got to try it.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of tricksters as well, with you.
Speaker 29: Know, people taking all this C sixty from.
Speaker 2: These goofy gurus.
Speaker 29: So it's really important, I think now more than ever
Speaker 29: you talk about it quite a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, and I function brain.
Speaker 29: Cells to discern even in amongst all of our world,
Speaker 29: there's a lot of tricksters trying to turn people into nanobots.
Speaker 2: Give give me your twenty three bit cool, you know.
Speaker 29: But yeah, so so I see a lot of people
Speaker 29: from the C sixty the sea lights and the stupidity
Speaker 29: is just crazy, and you see it with a lot
Speaker 29: of the fake technology.
Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 29: But anyway, I want to chime in and say here
Speaker 29: and you know, keeping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to our UK bros. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Ze.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of based and ritpilled out there.
Speaker 3: Chase Haguard, excuse me, excuse me, trusse A Haguard.
Speaker 31: That's not my name, Please pronounce my name.
Speaker 3: I assumed it was some sort of pompous French thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, trust a guard.
Speaker 31: Yeah, no, it's not my name, and I don't appreciate it.
Speaker 31: And I tried to come in here in good faith.
Speaker 3: But you can. You could clip me, and you can
Speaker 3: clip me and expose me.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 31: Now, I just wanted to kind of piggyback on what
Speaker 31: what the proire.
Speaker 2: Call say podcast that you forgot.
Speaker 31: Who's the guy you were talking about AI EPT and
Speaker 31: all that.
Speaker 3: I've been cutting out the previous guy.
Speaker 2: No, it's chases merging with AI. That's what it's got.
Speaker 31: No, No, I should be I should be good now?
Speaker 2: Am I good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about that now.
Speaker 31: I was saying the prior caller was bringing up that
Speaker 31: podcast interview you did with the guy I forgot, the
Speaker 31: podcast owner. But you were talking about chat EPT and
Speaker 31: Grock and AI and stuff, and the caller was talking
Speaker 31: about trying people trying to stay human.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 31: That's gonna happen where I think people are gonna gravitate
Speaker 31: more towards real human things that you've already seen. It
Speaker 31: actually happen in music where some of the top pop
Speaker 31: music right now as out of Time drums played over
Speaker 31: drum machines. And I think there's an opportunity for people
Speaker 31: to do what you're doing, people to make real art
Speaker 31: because I think people are gonna crave after it, and
Speaker 31: there could be an element of propert evidence in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people are gonna want real, real authenticity. They're gonna
Speaker 3: want real human stuff. The the the Ai like fad,
Speaker 3: I think for entertainment will kind of get old in
Speaker 3: my view.
Speaker 31: Yeah, absolutely, and it's it's already happened. If you look
Speaker 31: at when like pro tools and all, you know, digital
Speaker 31: music and computers got powerful enough for studios to switch
Speaker 31: from running everything on tape. Everything got what's called quantized,
Speaker 31: where everything was smacked to the grid and then and
Speaker 31: that happened throughout all the pop music and now some
Speaker 31: of the top charting stuff like this, you know these
Speaker 31: Sabrina Carpenter tunes. The guy who produces it, he's a
Speaker 31: really good producer. He's putting things out of out of
Speaker 31: time and out of tune on purpose, and the average
Speaker 31: listener is not noticing it, and they're feeling that it's human,
Speaker 31: even with this big pop stuff. So I think things
Speaker 31: will switch another way, where again some people will just
Speaker 31: gobble up a slop, but other people, you know, making
Speaker 31: things that have character and are human and ute vibe
Speaker 31: to them, those are gonna thrive in my opinion, and
Speaker 31: it's already happening.
Speaker 2: We've seen it over the last five years and especially
Speaker 2: this last year.
Speaker 31: You look at the biggest artists, whether you like it
Speaker 31: or not, Sabrian and partner. There's all types of organic
Speaker 31: you know production there that pushes things out of time
Speaker 31: and all this, and I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting conversation being.
Speaker 6: Out you were you on the discord with my brother
Speaker 6: with the sound engineers because he told me this topic
Speaker 6: kit They did this a VC with the rest of
Speaker 6: the producing sounds on this exact topic.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering because.
Speaker 31: I know I'm on that I'm on that server with
Speaker 31: your brother and I hang out there a lot, but
Speaker 31: I was not there for this conversation.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 31: That's funny because that server as some of the biggest
Speaker 31: engineers in the world on it, and I haven't talked
Speaker 31: to them about this at all.
Speaker 3: Well, I do have to point out that Chase is
Speaker 3: intentionally subverting what I'm going to be doing in the future,
Speaker 3: and he knows it. It's a very subtle way for
Speaker 3: him to try to to try to destroy my DJ
Speaker 3: career before I get started. He knows good and well
Speaker 3: that I'm going to transition into being DJ dong Butter,
Speaker 3: the hottest nineties raver DJ out there. He thinks he
Speaker 3: can come in and get ahead of me and despoil
Speaker 3: the entire EDM genre, which I will be taking over
Speaker 3: very soon, and it's not gonna work. Chase, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna work.
Speaker 27: I thought.
Speaker 31: I just want to point out that Jay said that
Speaker 31: the EDM genre I'm going to despoil it.
Speaker 2: So you guys now know that Jay worships DM. EDM
Speaker 2: is his god. He does believe in natural theology and
Speaker 2: all the music actually leads to M. But I thought
Speaker 2: you were going to be DJ filth pool Man.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that was my old name before before
Speaker 3: my last ayahuasca trip, and the entities told me that
Speaker 3: that was not the right name. So Chase, it's not
Speaker 3: gonna work. Try again. But thank you for your comments.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you. JR. What's up, dude? You can't stop
Speaker 3: the DJ train as it's coming to the station. Dute, dude,
Speaker 3: we're en route to tran Central.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I had to billy ten dollars I just joined your stream.
Speaker 3: Did you cover the fact that the Greek Orthodox Arsidiocese
Speaker 3: priest was going after Orthobros? This is so like, this
Speaker 3: is so twenty sixteen seventeen, right, the Orthobro movement, this
Speaker 3: is yeah, We're a giant political force. We're going to
Speaker 3: take over Maga as the Orthobro movement. So, yes, it's
Speaker 3: a very dangerous movement, the ortho Bros, which literally started
Speaker 3: from FDA in a picture that he took making a joke. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a very dangerous political movement, so be very afraid.
Speaker 2: Never actual like leftists and subversis.
Speaker 3: And yeah, where's his videos going after all the leftism,
Speaker 3: all the ecumenism. No, no, no, the danger is the Orthobros. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's up? Man? Jq ja kwan? What's up? I like
Speaker 3: that ad? Hello? Is that the internet is broken today?
Speaker 3: What is going on? Are there? Try again? Are you there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Barely? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: I like that ad that Chase just inserted.
Speaker 17: Oh here we go another one of these people from
Speaker 17: the real music world that plays real instruments and real
Speaker 17: gypsy jazz.
Speaker 3: Dude, Gypsies don't even exist. Okay. Gypsies are crisis actors
Speaker 3: that were hired to play. They wear brown face. They're
Speaker 3: not even a real thing. And now we got guys
Speaker 3: who are.
Speaker 17: Professional gypsy jazz players that play real instruments. They're coming
Speaker 17: to destroy my DJ career.
Speaker 3: That's why they're here. I want you guys to know
Speaker 3: this gypsy jazz. What does that share? Is that share?
Speaker 24: Chase, Chase, Chase thinks that is Sabrina Carpenter Native ad
Speaker 24: that he got paid for by whatever record company he's working.
Speaker 3: Doctor Luke, Doctor Luke.
Speaker 24: Yeah, no, I wanted to comment on stuff we've talked
Speaker 24: about for years that father, uh Deacon and nice was
Speaker 24: bringing up. There is all the John Hughes films are
Speaker 24: designed to undermine parenting, every single one of them, from
Speaker 24: his beginning An Animal House to his last film, Look
Speaker 24: Who's talking.
Speaker 2: Home Alone?
Speaker 24: Every single every single one of them.
Speaker 2: The parents are dumb.
Speaker 24: Every adult is stupid in the film, uh Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 24: Uh, you know it's it's a dumb principle that gets
Speaker 24: the you know, wolf pulled over his eyes for the
Speaker 24: entire day.
Speaker 3: Baby dude, remember that move.
Speaker 2: Baby geniuses? Look who's talking?
Speaker 24: All all the all those films are all Johnny, I
Speaker 24: mean John Hughes wrote, even the films that he didn't direct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. Now, this is a great point. This
Speaker 3: is subversive totally, it.
Speaker 2: Really it really was.
Speaker 24: And most of the films like the time period that
Speaker 24: we grew up in, which is good, you know, stuff
Speaker 24: like goonies, even even in goonies or films like that,
Speaker 24: the parents aren't even around. So it's like it's not
Speaker 24: even that parents. Even in some of it, it's like
Speaker 24: it's not even that the parents are dumb.
Speaker 2: It's just there is no parents at all.
Speaker 32: And we all know about children of the corn. The
Speaker 32: children are now Malachi's now the religious leader, and I mean,
Speaker 32: come on, village dude.
Speaker 3: The kids are actually alien entities. Thank you. By the way, John,
Speaker 3: appreciate that the children are the alien entities come to
Speaker 3: take over their little their little psychopaths. By the way,
Speaker 3: Tipsy's tramps and thieves. That's the only thing I know
Speaker 3: about gypsy jazz is that share a song. Kyle five dollars.
Speaker 3: I want to see you Orthodox creators tackle little season theory.
Speaker 3: That's all over YouTube. Yeah, Orthodox people don't get into
Speaker 3: evangelical end times nonsense, so it's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: We're partial preterists. Many of us Kelly's silver five dollars.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Zathura Zathura? They completely s X utilized
Speaker 3: Kristen Stewart, uh No, I don't even know about that.
Speaker 3: Never heard of that. Zura in a interesting well, she's
Speaker 3: isn't she like genderly ambiguous nowadays? So that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: If a lot of these Hollywood people get groomed into
Speaker 3: all kinds of weird stuff, and that's probably what has
Speaker 3: messed them up. EA became a member. When is your
Speaker 3: next open question? I mean it's right now. I want
Speaker 3: to call in, but it's not on the topic. But
Speaker 3: the topic is all topics, so how could it not
Speaker 3: be on topic? Just just call in, dude? What are
Speaker 3: you talking about? We're going back up. These guys just
Speaker 3: want to destroy my DJ career. They know I want
Speaker 3: to be the next hottest nineties rave DJ, and they're
Speaker 3: already their front running me to destroy my career.
Speaker 19: Cost you.
Speaker 3: What's up? Good day, sir? What's on your mind? What's up?
Speaker 2: First off, back to the Harlan show. I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about that.
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to talk about. That's why
Speaker 3: I brought it back up.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Oh yeah, I want to say, like you
Speaker 6: you brought up Mark Marin.
Speaker 2: I have no idea who this Harlan guy is.
Speaker 33: But he seems very much like that boomer mentality that
Speaker 33: you were talking about, and.
Speaker 2: He had annoyed He like saw some of Sam Hide.
Speaker 2: Clips thought he knew how to handle him, and that's interesting.
Speaker 33: This is why Sam Hide went guerrilla mode because.
Speaker 2: This Harlan dude, he just thought Sam Hide was like
Speaker 2: a nonsense content creator.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 33: He didn't realize the layers that Sam Hide puts in,
Speaker 33: and that all the value in Sami's content is those
Speaker 33: kind of satirical layers. Yeah, he thought he thought, let's
Speaker 33: talk about oh, just saying funny thing about Brazilians, that's
Speaker 33: what Sam Hide does.
Speaker 24: But he he just kissed Sam Hide by misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you heard the wine mom that
Speaker 3: called in earlier to explain that I'm licking Sam Hides
Speaker 3: but to get popular or whatever. She also had a
Speaker 3: similar take like.
Speaker 17: Sam isn't funny and he just has to spurg out
Speaker 17: because he doesn't know what to do and he doesn't
Speaker 17: know what's fun I mean, it's like, what are you
Speaker 17: talking about? This is not even close to reality.
Speaker 3: But I didn't even think about, like, what did Harlan
Speaker 3: Williams know about Sam Hi. He probably thought it was
Speaker 3: just some like random you know, TikTok guy or something
Speaker 3: like who knows what's going on? And I think he's
Speaker 3: more gen X, but maybe he's a gen X with
Speaker 3: a boom er mindset. I don't know, but I would
Speaker 3: have thought this would work well because Harlan Williams has
Speaker 3: always been this sort of like whoa, he's so quirky
Speaker 3: and he's so odd ball, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can see where it kind of
Speaker 6: just got off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 2: It seemed like Sam I was actually upset.
Speaker 3: Well, I have heard some I've heard some conflicting reports
Speaker 3: that know. Actually Sam was getting annoyed.
Speaker 2: So the other topic I joined a little late, but
Speaker 2: you might have been talking about it. I mean, Epstein,
Speaker 2: what is going on? Like?
Speaker 3: First off, I mean, it's a huge Trump fail. They're
Speaker 3: they're covering it up and it's a huge Trump Phil
Speaker 3: That's that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: I guess. But that seems a little too obvious, don't
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 3: Well, no, why can't a lot of things are obvious?
Speaker 3: Why was that too obvious? What do you mean? I mean?
Speaker 3: I did. I did an hour long interview with the
Speaker 3: guy who broke all this stuff originally, Nick Bryant, and
Speaker 3: you know, okay, yeah, I mean I think that probably
Speaker 3: even more so than like the PDF stuff, there's probably
Speaker 3: like financial crime stuff that's being covered up, like in
Speaker 3: other words, high level lobbyists, banking elitees that are compromised,
Speaker 3: and the word has gone out. You know, you cannot
Speaker 3: let this get out. And it obviously it relates to
Speaker 3: the Israeli stuff too.
Speaker 2: And Alex had Ah, what's that judge.
Speaker 3: On Napolitanum No the black dudes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly what he said to that.
Speaker 6: You know, the way this works is, you know, you
Speaker 6: have operatives and stuff like this, and there's compromising information
Speaker 6: and it's actually quite complicated that they obviously don't that's.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why they're kind of bearing this.
Speaker 33: I that's if that's the case, and it is kind
Speaker 33: of you know, as we're all expecting it to be.
Speaker 2: That's just the end of Trump. And I mean he's
Speaker 2: just over right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't it's not going well. I don't
Speaker 3: see anybody defending it except for like the you know,
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro sphere, like you know, fible Mouskowitz is the
Speaker 3: only one that's defending it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tells me something.
Speaker 3: Nobody likes my fible Mouscuwitz joke. I thought that was
Speaker 3: like a really funny, Like, does nobody know who's Nobody's seen?
Speaker 3: My jokes just don't land anymore. I think I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm speaking into the void of a bunch of people
Speaker 3: that are dead and gone, and nobody knows these references.
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's seen five Mouskowitz, that's he's been Shapiro anyway.
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny, Zachary, what's up? You're wrong
Speaker 3: to say that Sam Hyde is super funny. In fact,
Speaker 3: many people doubted that he could do stand up. He
Speaker 3: even doubted himself. His standard routine is off the hook.
Speaker 3: It's legit awesome. I'm not just saying that because I
Speaker 3: write for the Sam Hide Show. He's his stand up
Speaker 3: is really funny. What's up, man, Zachary, I you JT
Speaker 3: thirty one two dollars. You guys are underestimating Harlan's layers. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm really enjoying everybody's takes on this pot this wild podcast.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a Harlan hater. I don't dislike Harlan.
Speaker 3: I don't think he is. That's what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: like you've got when you go back in time into
Speaker 3: the nineties and two thousand and you think about oddball comics.
Speaker 3: You've got like a Steven Wright, You've got Harlan Williams,
Speaker 3: You've got you know, Mitch Hedberg is kind of an
Speaker 3: oddball style comedy guy. Tom Green is kind of an
Speaker 3: odd ball troll comedy guy. Uh. And so I would
Speaker 3: have thought that they vibe well together. I don't know,
Speaker 3: what's up man, I'm but also.
Speaker 17: Too, I mean, you can also have a situation where
Speaker 17: maybe they would have vibed under the right situations right right,
Speaker 17: like maybe maybe somebody's having a bad day, you know,
Speaker 17: maybe they.
Speaker 3: Were just tired. And I mean I've been on podcasts,
Speaker 3: even big podcasts, where I'm like, all right, I'm ready
Speaker 3: to get out of here, all right, you know, I
Speaker 3: need to leave before I get mad, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So this that does happen too. What's up, man?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna i'mute or not? Zach? Oh my gosh ude,
Speaker 3: what is going on with just the internet just broken today?
Speaker 3: Somebody hacked the internet? What's up? Hunter? What's up?
Speaker 34: Can you hear me? Yes, sir, hey, since it's any topic,
Speaker 34: I've got like two like semi goofy questions.
Speaker 17: To ask, Yes, please do please, don't ask me about
Speaker 17: PSA and rebaptism. I'm gonna start saying any topic but that,
Speaker 17: and then we're good.
Speaker 34: Well of My two questions are, do you think people
Speaker 34: can like literally sell their souls to Satan for like
Speaker 34: musical talent, and if so, listening to people like the
Speaker 34: Beatles or Valling Stones led Zeppelin that credit their talent
Speaker 34: to Satan.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that would happen if you literally could.
Speaker 3: I think mostly it's an analogy to selling out to
Speaker 3: the industry. Okay, I don't typically listen to led Zeppel
Speaker 3: one of the Beatles anyway, just because I don't like
Speaker 3: I liked it when I was a teenager, but I'm
Speaker 3: not a teenager anymore. So I mean I would say
Speaker 3: in the okay, I would say in the realm, like
Speaker 3: in the in the domain of music, unless it's just
Speaker 3: super degenerate and gross and satanic, I don't really think
Speaker 3: that it's a big deal. That's my take on it.
Speaker 34: I guess my last question why I have you these
Speaker 34: kind of famous kind of like kind of videos of
Speaker 34: like celebrities like Cardi B and Katy Perry like having
Speaker 34: quote unquote m kilt glitches. Do you think that's all
Speaker 34: bullshit or do you think that's like.
Speaker 3: I know that in the case of this the Katie
Speaker 3: Perry one, they did say a long time ago that
Speaker 3: she does that pretty regularly in her in her shows
Speaker 3: as kind of like viral marketing, spectacle marketing. So in
Speaker 3: her case and some of those instances that is not
Speaker 3: it was it was planned. I know that in the
Speaker 3: case of like, you know, Michael Jackson, a lot of
Speaker 3: the things they would do were actually marketing schemes as well,
Speaker 3: like the hyperbaric chamber and all this kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that would keep him in the news. So there is
Speaker 3: a layer of that in terms of entertainment and pop
Speaker 3: culture figures who do a lot of this stuff on purpose.
Speaker 3: But then in a lot of cases, like in the
Speaker 3: case of Sam and the Harlan show, like it's it's
Speaker 3: unclear what to what degree this was a planned spectacle
Speaker 3: or whether this was just really like they're not getting along.
Speaker 3: So I think both things go on. But I do
Speaker 3: think that in the case of many of the abused
Speaker 3: pop stars, in the case of like Britney Spears, Amanda Bynds,
Speaker 3: I would say they're having actual, like in culture.
Speaker 2: Breakdowns, Okay, Okay, thanks for your time, Jay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good questions.
Speaker 17: Even I was skeptical of that with Katie Perry, I mean,
Speaker 17: not Katy Perry, Britney Spears until all the stuff about
Speaker 17: her conservatorship.
Speaker 3: Came out and I was like, no, dang, they like
Speaker 3: she really is like a mind controlled product. That's that's crazy. Uh,
Speaker 3: Chase Haguard is back to destroy my DJ career.
Speaker 31: No, I think I've already done that handed well, hopefully
Speaker 31: hopefully you can hear me now I'm connected to Wi Fi.
Speaker 31: I wanted to ask after I had a comment about
Speaker 31: what the prior caller was saying about the selling of
Speaker 31: souls to the devil? Can I do a short bit
Speaker 31: of self shilling for my upcoming first solo project release?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 35: Cool.
Speaker 31: I think it's interesting when you look at music because
Speaker 31: it's similar to other things, like, you know, people will
Speaker 31: talk about quote unquote, you know, cuss words and stuff
Speaker 31: like saying S H I T is not inherently evil.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's pretty goofy to.
Speaker 31: Think that because someone's not orthodox, or because they're not
Speaker 31: heterodoxy even that there can't be intrinsic value in the art.
Speaker 2: There's limited amount of building.
Speaker 31: Blocks that God created of this amazing thing called music
Speaker 31: that we can all play with. And music inherently is
Speaker 31: created for worship. And so I think there's arguments that
Speaker 31: I can make and people can make that music has
Speaker 31: to be worshiping something, and you know, so you can
Speaker 31: say someone's intent was evil, but at the same time
Speaker 31: you can you can still get universal experiences that are
Speaker 31: universal to being a human from all types of secular artists.
Speaker 31: You know, I John Mayer has some great songs. I'm
Speaker 31: not talking about my Body as a Wonderland. I know
Speaker 31: that's one of your favorite songs. Day John Mayer has
Speaker 31: some word music.
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know he wrote that about me.
Speaker 3: So but don't tell anybody that keep that on the download.
Speaker 31: Yeah, I'm just surprised how honest you're being today. It's crazy,
Speaker 31: but uh, but it's it's interesting because I think that
Speaker 31: you can look at led Zeppelin, the Beatles, whoever, if
Speaker 31: you get things out of that art, well, it's a
Speaker 31: universal language in this in a much deeper sense, is
Speaker 31: it typically used that is designed to communicate these things
Speaker 31: and lead to you know, quote unquote spiritual experiences in
Speaker 31: a sense where not this music doesn't belong in the liturgy.
Speaker 2: Rock music doesn't belong in the liturgy.
Speaker 31: But you know, not being able to separate the art
Speaker 31: from the artists is something I think we need to
Speaker 31: be able to do, just like not being able to
Speaker 31: separate the message from the messenger. And on that note,
Speaker 31: a little bit of self shilling. If anybody likes indie
Speaker 31: rock kind of stuff. I make music for solo projects.
Speaker 31: Doing my first tune release on Monday. If you want
Speaker 31: to subscribe to my YouTube, Chase Haggard Music. It's like
Speaker 31: MGMT mixed with modest mouse.
Speaker 3: But I just, by the way, subscribe to your channel.
Speaker 3: I just found it for the first time.
Speaker 2: I just blocked you, so that's perfect. You won't be
Speaker 2: able to well, I was going to, but it's like
Speaker 2: MGM anti semitic, anti cynical. To appreciate it, I want to.
Speaker 3: That's okay. We don't mind you showing gypsies. Chase is
Speaker 3: a thief.
Speaker 17: Gypsies Chase seas That was my share, by the way,
Speaker 17: because there's something a gypsy jazz.
Speaker 3: This is gypsy. Yes, it is gypsy jazz. Look at
Speaker 3: mister sand Man.
Speaker 17: I don't really hear any metallicans I'll take Chase's word
Speaker 17: for it.
Speaker 3: It's mister Sandman. I'm thinking inter sand Man. I thought
Speaker 3: Chase was over here doing Metallica gypsy jazz. Mister Sandman, Oh,
Speaker 3: mister Sandman, bring me. I thought he was doing inter Sandman. Dude,
Speaker 3: I like to enter sand the gypsy jazz better, so
Speaker 3: you pray. I don't even know the words of that
Speaker 3: stupid essong. By the way, shout out to our buddies
Speaker 3: Jamie Kennedy and Sam Tripolonius having a pretty popular podcast.
Speaker 3: They're doing this well, we should tell you the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: This one was popping off to forty thousand.
Speaker 17: That's popping off over here on I hate to break
Speaker 17: it to you, Jamie Kennedy with Sam tripoli brand New
Speaker 17: All this drama with the Sam High podcast with Harley
Speaker 17: Williams is kind of.
Speaker 3: Kind of taking over the comedy sphere.
Speaker 17: But don't miss this gem. They had a great conversation
Speaker 17: as well. Our buddies over here.
Speaker 3: And by the way, we will be back on Jamie
Speaker 3: Kennedy's podcast in the near future. We were just talking
Speaker 3: about that the other day. Debt and I get you
Speaker 3: guys back dea ont you guys.
Speaker 30: Back and you're listening to them and not listening to me.
Speaker 3: That's how powerful the programming is.
Speaker 2: I've heard people say they broke dad.
Speaker 3: By the way. Awesome new set there, I like Jamie sett.
Speaker 3: Everybody's upping their their set, begging at upgrade. Where are
Speaker 3: we at?
Speaker 17: Intersand man thieves, gypsies.
Speaker 3: Chases a thief? Did you guys like the member episode?
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty good mouse shit and we.
Speaker 17: Got some fire coming to by the way, we got well,
Speaker 17: maybe I should keep it secret as to what episodes
Speaker 17: they're about to roll out. Oh look at that right there,
Speaker 17: just so you know. People pretending to look they like
Speaker 17: they're involved in this. People pretending like they have a
Speaker 17: stake in this. People are pretending like they know and
Speaker 17: have a stake in it. All right, let's see what
Speaker 17: we got over here on the super chats. Catch up
Speaker 17: on that real quick, gen Z three dollars.
Speaker 3: The thing about the younger generation humor that older generations
Speaker 3: don't get, whether you're trying to do common or not,
Speaker 3: is that we are laughing at you. Modern comedians are
Speaker 3: conforming to that reality. That's a good way to put it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a good insight there. I like that gen Z.
Speaker 3: That's another angle to this, which you know, Andy Kaufman
Speaker 3: was this way in the eighties and and even to
Speaker 3: a degree I forget when he died, maybe late eighties,
Speaker 3: but he was always making fun of everybody in the audience,
Speaker 3: was the butt of the joke. So he was kind
Speaker 3: of like the first trolley comic, right, And Boomers liked
Speaker 3: Andy Kaufman. So I'm wondering, like, what how come boomers
Speaker 3: liked Andy Kaufman and that weird stuff. But when people
Speaker 3: do that same type of stuff, it's just like they
Speaker 3: don't get it.
Speaker 17: It's like what, I don't, I don't what does that mean?
Speaker 17: That's the word. And I'm guessing it's because in the boomer.
Speaker 3: Mindset, you can't make fun of the boomer himself. You know,
Speaker 3: Andy Kaufman could troll the audience and it's funny. But
Speaker 3: when it's the butt of the joke is the boomer himself,
Speaker 3: or when it's like a critique of the dumb shit
Speaker 3: that everybody believes in society, maybe that is where it
Speaker 3: just doesn't work. I don't know. This is a mystery
Speaker 3: to me. I don't understand why. It's just it's bizarre.
Speaker 3: It's really crazy boomers like Jonathan Winters. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: but boomers like Andy Kaufman, and he was trolling everybody.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's a fascinating question. I don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on. Let's see. Yeah, Okay, we're caught
Speaker 3: up on those super chats. Let's see who's next, John, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's up? John?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 8: Jay?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 36: Man, I've got a question about the Bible. I hate
Speaker 36: to switch gears, uh, get too serious on this, but
Speaker 36: I've got a question. I've been looking into Orthodoxy and
Speaker 36: everything that I've seen so far, it's almost feels like
Speaker 36: I've been looking for this like my whole life, and
Speaker 36: but I just I don't know, I've just discovered it,
Speaker 36: so I have a few questions still. My question is
Speaker 36: it seems like the I don't have to references in
Speaker 36: front of me, but if you look at like the
Speaker 36: view of the resurrection of the dead, the Orthodox seemed
Speaker 36: to take like a a literal kind of view of
Speaker 36: the physical, like like your physical body is resurrected.
Speaker 3: That's that's all. That's all. Christianity's classical, I mean Catholic, Orthodox, Protestants,
Speaker 3: all believe in the bodily resurrection.
Speaker 36: So also the view of like the new heavens and
Speaker 36: the new Earth that seems to be like a more
Speaker 36: literal kind of a view, like it's it's physical.
Speaker 3: I don't have the words for this, but yeah, we
Speaker 3: would say it's Protestant to or it's Gnostic to think
Speaker 3: of this in some you know, non physical literal way. Right.
Speaker 36: So I've always kind of read the Bible very simply
Speaker 36: just kind of I wouldn't say literal, but I've kind
Speaker 36: I kind of just when I read the Old Testament
Speaker 36: just assume a plain sense kind of meaning. I know,
Speaker 36: I'm perfectly fine with a lot of typology, but I
Speaker 36: just don't see a whole lot of that as informing
Speaker 36: like the hope in the Old Testament it's coming from
Speaker 36: like the you know, the the fall being I guess reversed,
Speaker 36: and in the New Testament it seems to kind.
Speaker 2: Of carry over. So here's my question.
Speaker 3: What Okay, I'm not going to be a dick. I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm not understanding what hope is lost or not
Speaker 3: carry what's well.
Speaker 36: No, I'm just saying, like the I guess, so my
Speaker 36: question is like ascheological, I guess. So the hope of
Speaker 36: the Old Testament seems to be in this resurrection and
Speaker 36: the new heavens and the new Earth. But it seems
Speaker 36: like in a lot of these passages that explain it,
Speaker 36: you've got kind of a very plain sense, uh description
Speaker 36: of Jerusalem being like like in Ezekiel forty three, you know,
Speaker 36: or it's like in the New the New there's like
Speaker 36: a temple and you have God saying this is the
Speaker 36: place of the souls of my feet.
Speaker 2: Not that I think that God has like literal feet.
Speaker 36: But it seems like a lot of places like you
Speaker 36: have this idea of Jerusalem being kind of the at
Speaker 36: the center, I guess, or like the place where God is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that they're they're talking about the first Advent
Speaker 3: of the Messiah. So the restoration of the Tabernacle of David,
Speaker 3: God sending out the law from Mount Zion is ultimately
Speaker 3: fulfilled in the first appearance of Christ. So that's the
Speaker 3: last days. The the asketon is now rather than pointing
Speaker 3: in putting it off to you know, the end of
Speaker 3: the world. The escaton began at the First Advent, and
Speaker 3: the why the New Testament is so emphatic that the
Speaker 3: promises of the Old Testament are realities right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, so but when.
Speaker 36: Obviously there's more to come, like when Jesus returns, So
Speaker 36: what role does Like it just seems like there's so
Speaker 36: many passages where it just seems like if there's a
Speaker 36: if there's a if you have a restored body and
Speaker 36: there's a new heavens and a new earth, that assume
Speaker 36: it's not a spiritual it's not totally. I know that
Speaker 36: language is used like in onse Grinthians fifteen, like of
Speaker 36: you know, the spiritual man, but you know it does
Speaker 36: it doesn't mean that it's one or the other, right,
Speaker 36: it's like the way that God intended his creation to
Speaker 36: be in the beginning, where it's you know, there's I
Speaker 36: guess it's a glorified creation. Forgive me for my lack
Speaker 36: of understanding of this language, but it just make sense
Speaker 36: to me that, you know, Jerusalem would be a.
Speaker 2: Literal place as well.
Speaker 36: Like where what is the disconnect there? Because it seems
Speaker 36: like that's where I can with a lot of Orthodox
Speaker 36: theologians that I've read, is that you get you get
Speaker 36: like an understanding of the resurrected body, a literal new heavens,
Speaker 36: in the New Earth. But it's like the idea of
Speaker 36: Jerusalem being a literal place where you know, Jesus will So, okay, I.
Speaker 3: See what you're saying. So the how we know what
Speaker 3: is quote figurative versus what is literal is going to
Speaker 3: be conditioned by the Bible itself and the coherence of
Speaker 3: the Old New Testament together. So for example, how do
Speaker 3: I know in what sense, for example, the word the
Speaker 3: word Jerusalem is to be taken in the New Testament
Speaker 3: and the and the escaton sense. Well, thankfully, there's many
Speaker 3: places in the New Testament where that's actually discussed. So
Speaker 3: for example, in Galatians, for when Paul talks about the
Speaker 3: allegory of the New Jerusalem, he describes that as the
Speaker 3: Jerusalem that is from above, which is our heavenly Mother,
Speaker 3: which is the Church. So the true Jerusalem is the Church,
Speaker 3: which Paul explains here in Galatians for rejoice, so baron.
Speaker 3: So no, he's you know, signing the Old Testament, you
Speaker 3: do not bear, break forth and shout or not in labor.
Speaker 3: You have had many children. And so he talks about Isaac,
Speaker 3: and he talks about Ishmael, and he says that the
Speaker 3: real Jerusalem is the one that is above the heavenly Jerusalem,
Speaker 3: which is the Mother of us all. And this promise
Speaker 3: to Abraham is fulfilled in the heavenly Jerusalem, which is
Speaker 3: mother Church. So do you understand that, like the questions
Speaker 3: that you're asking, I'm not saying they're bad questions, but
Speaker 3: they're answered in the New Testament itself. So could there
Speaker 3: be an actual Holy Land in the Escuton, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: Jesus could recreate the heaven and the earth and keep
Speaker 3: elements of you know, what existed before. I mean, in
Speaker 3: the New Testament era. The church calls it the Holy Land.
Speaker 3: There's an Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: So it's not like it goes away because we're in
Speaker 3: the New Testament necessarily, right.
Speaker 36: Okay, Well yeah, because it seems kind of it's just
Speaker 36: hard to think about like there being you know, like
Speaker 36: in the resurrection, like being in a certain place. But
Speaker 36: it seems pretty clear that you have a resurrected body,
Speaker 36: which would require it doesn't seem to be there, doesn't
Speaker 36: seem to be a contradiction with place.
Speaker 3: So no, No, the Orthodox view is that there is
Speaker 3: a new heavens and a new Earth, and it is
Speaker 3: a physical place with physical locations. And so when Jesus
Speaker 3: resurrected and he's walking around the end the Gospel John
Speaker 3: eating fish, that's showing you the model of the body
Speaker 3: in the Escaton. Ah, So it is spatial still, yes.
Speaker 36: Okay, So I like your answer though it's kind of
Speaker 36: It doesn't have to be one way or another. It's
Speaker 36: just you know, there may be a physical place I
Speaker 36: guess that call Jerusalem, but it's not. That's not what
Speaker 36: the passages in the Old Testament point towards.
Speaker 3: Well, Like if you look at Isaiah sixty five, it says, behold,
Speaker 3: I create a new heavens and a new earth. The
Speaker 3: former will not be remembered, it will not come to mind.
Speaker 3: Be glad and rejoice. I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing
Speaker 3: I rejoice in Jerusalem, my people, and there will no
Speaker 3: longer be weeping or crying. This is all referenced, of course,
Speaker 3: in the apocalypse of the Church and of the escaton.
Speaker 3: So this is a present reality where you know, God
Speaker 3: is basically saying that my people are my elect they're
Speaker 3: my offering, they're my descendants. It's talking about the Church.
Speaker 3: It's not talking about primarily you know, something going on
Speaker 3: over in the Middle East in the place.
Speaker 36: Okay, that makes sense, yes, because I mean that's like
Speaker 36: one of the passages that you see and you know
Speaker 36: it's it's I think it's described as the New Jerusalem
Speaker 36: in the Book of Revelation, but always thought that it's
Speaker 36: not going to be buildings coming down from Heaven.
Speaker 3: No, it's the people are we are the new Jerusalem exactly.
Speaker 3: That's why that's why Paul calls the New Jerusalem the
Speaker 3: Church right there? Wired, what's up?
Speaker 24: Man?
Speaker 3: Good question, though, Wired, what's up?
Speaker 2: I'm you Hello? Can you hear me?
Speaker 37: You Zach or.
Speaker 25: Hello?
Speaker 35: Jay?
Speaker 12: I'm an agnologic and I'm looking into different religions and philosophies.
Speaker 12: I'm leaning to ours Christianity, but I'm calling in to
Speaker 12: ask about your thoughts on the CTM you by Chris Langan.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with him and his theory?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, I think it's kind of similar to TAG
Speaker 3: in certain ways, at least in the methodological approach. It's
Speaker 3: similar in that it's more of an abstracted, logical type
Speaker 3: of argument. But Chris Langon is a very committed classical foundationalist,
Speaker 3: so he believes in very sort of self evident maxims
Speaker 3: as a starting point, and the type of deity that
Speaker 3: he argues for is just kind of like a platonic
Speaker 3: mega mind. So I would have you know some critiques
Speaker 3: of those positions. Basically, Matt, what's up, Matt Hedges? Oh,
Speaker 3: what's up? Matt?
Speaker 2: Oh? Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: Jake, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I've heard a common accusation.
Speaker 22: I've heard in Eastern Orthodox circles that the Reform tradition
Speaker 22: has a history and tendency.
Speaker 2: In its christology when it comes to the communication of properties. Correct,
Speaker 2: do you believe that accusation? And how would you flush
Speaker 2: that out?
Speaker 3: Yeah? For example, or Herman Ritterboss talks about Jesus as
Speaker 3: a human person.
Speaker 22: Yes, So for one thing, I don't think that Reformed
Speaker 22: like Orthodoxy, is defined by necessarily MacArthur's sproll or someone
Speaker 22: like river Bus.
Speaker 2: I think it's more like sixteenth and seventeenth century reforms.
Speaker 3: Colossal who like, why is that where we go? By
Speaker 3: the way their nerve? No Storian two Turretan. Doesn't Turretin
Speaker 3: think that Jesus sheds his human nature in the Escaton?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 38: No, not that I know, Okay, But regardless Turretin is
Speaker 38: more of a polemicist than a systematician, but with regards
Speaker 38: to the Westminster Divines in particular, I mean I've read
Speaker 38: some of like.
Speaker 3: The did Jesus take the Father's wrath? I'm sorry, did
Speaker 3: Jesus take the Father's wrath?
Speaker 22: So I think there's a difference between like being punished
Speaker 22: properly in the sense of like the imputation of guilt
Speaker 22: versus like receiving punishment.
Speaker 3: I think did the Father damn the son? I mean
Speaker 3: many of the first generation second generation reformers.
Speaker 22: Say that, Yeah, I think it's a I think that's
Speaker 22: a misinterpretation of Calvin.
Speaker 2: More of the accusation. I just don't think it's.
Speaker 3: What's the right interpretation? Yeah?
Speaker 22: So, I mean, if you're referring to like those texts
Speaker 22: in which it talks about Christ.
Speaker 3: I don't really care about Calvin, Like, what do you
Speaker 3: think is the right position? What's your position? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I think Christ like received the punishment that was
Speaker 2: due to.
Speaker 3: Sin, which is which is what? Which is what? Which
Speaker 3: is what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bearing the wrath of God on the cross.
Speaker 3: That's not okay.
Speaker 17: So I asked you specifically and it took you like
Speaker 17: five minutes to get to this point.
Speaker 3: So Jesus bears the wrath? What is the wrath? What
Speaker 3: is the wrath of the father?
Speaker 2: To be fair, I called him askeding about the community.
Speaker 3: What is the wrath of the father? Come on, dude,
Speaker 3: what's the wrath of the father? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it on the cross, Christ experienced the same genus of.
Speaker 3: Punishment, genus of punishment. And is that damnation or not?
Speaker 22: It is not not the same as the damn in Hill. No,
Speaker 22: it's it is making satisfaction, okay.
Speaker 3: And what was the penalty that was due that he took?
Speaker 3: Did the Father forsake him?
Speaker 2: I mean not in the way that like you might
Speaker 2: hear some.
Speaker 3: People like, Okay, then in what way? In what way?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 22: So I mean Christ experienced like some of like the
Speaker 22: distress and anguish.
Speaker 3: Some of it. Okay. So did the father turn his
Speaker 3: back on him?
Speaker 2: Did he forsake him? Is there a verse? If my
Speaker 2: thinking of the verse in Isaiah Crow.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you, dude, you tell me your position. Stop
Speaker 3: asking me questions. Did the father forsake the son the
Speaker 3: way that the psalms are interpreted in your view? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I don't think that God the Father damned the son.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what does it mean? You said, it's some
Speaker 3: of the elements of rejection. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the imputation of sin to Christ like Christ?
Speaker 3: And what does that mean? What? What is this? What
Speaker 3: is the punishment?
Speaker 22: Yeah, the punishment is making is bearing like the indignation
Speaker 22: of God against sin in the qualitative sense, but not
Speaker 22: the quantitative.
Speaker 3: Okay. So did he take the penalty? Okay? So you're
Speaker 3: saying a bunch of sophistry. So did he damn the
Speaker 3: sun or not? No? I just told you that, right,
Speaker 3: So he didn't, But he took the wrath. What's the wrath?
Speaker 3: That's not damning?
Speaker 2: The wrath that's not Yeah, damnation properly is eternal.
Speaker 3: Okay. Did he take the equivalence of that.
Speaker 2: Qualitative equivalents not a quantitative one.
Speaker 3: That's why?
Speaker 28: Damn?
Speaker 2: This is not hard.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not hard. Right, I don't understand it. Right,
Speaker 3: So we didn't say.
Speaker 22: You don't understand that. I'm saying that a lot of
Speaker 22: the fathers use a slanguage too.
Speaker 3: No they don't, No, they don't. Where do the fathers
Speaker 3: use this like?
Speaker 2: Okay, did Christ take the penalty of our sin upon.
Speaker 3: I don't have the same idea what the penalty is
Speaker 3: as you. I believe what John Damascus says in book three.
Speaker 3: But I'm asking you, since you believe that damnation is
Speaker 3: the penalty, how is it the penalty that he took?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't. I did not say that Christ was damned.
Speaker 2: I explicitly deny.
Speaker 28: I know that.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, if the penalty is damnation, then how
Speaker 3: did he take the penalty for us?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, can you say that again?
Speaker 3: If the penalty is damnation, then how did he take
Speaker 3: that penalty for us if he wasn't.
Speaker 22: Damned, because he can suffer the same genus of punishment
Speaker 22: without its quality.
Speaker 3: What does that? What does that even mean? What does
Speaker 3: genus and species have to do with this?
Speaker 2: Genus and species? Like basic, what.
Speaker 3: Does it have to do with this question? I know
Speaker 3: what the words mean. Don't play bullshit with me. Come on, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the same time, but not the.
Speaker 3: Same So so because it wasn't eternal, it's not eternal damnation.
Speaker 3: So you're doing you're playing word games. But he was
Speaker 3: damned by the Father, just not eternally.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that damnation properly is eternal.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So what was the punishment that he took.
Speaker 3: That's not our punishment.
Speaker 2: I already told you. It's bearing the sins of work.
Speaker 3: And that is what exactly he is.
Speaker 2: He is receiving the same type of punishment.
Speaker 3: Because the father ceased to love him and share the
Speaker 3: same will as him. Oh so he did, so he
Speaker 3: so he punishes. So what.
Speaker 2: I know the past, I know the quotes from Calvin
Speaker 2: that beller me.
Speaker 3: I don't care about Calvin, Dude, tell me what the
Speaker 3: correct position is from the scriptures that you believe. Nobody
Speaker 3: cares about John Calvin here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Well it's a common accusation against the reform.
Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, I make it all the time
Speaker 3: because most reformed people historically have believed that Jesus suffered
Speaker 3: some sort of rejection by the father. And so I'm asking,
Speaker 3: does the father turn his will against the son?
Speaker 2: Does he turn his will against the son? No, because
Speaker 2: there's only one will.
Speaker 3: In the Okay, So how does he punish him and
Speaker 3: go against him and use the terminology of a qualified damnation,
Speaker 3: a qualified rejecting? In what sense is he rejecting him
Speaker 3: if he's not turning his will against.
Speaker 2: Him, right, So you have to distinguish.
Speaker 3: But like I said, is he is he hating the son?
Speaker 2: No, No, one's saying that.
Speaker 39: I know that.
Speaker 3: And how is he punishing? No, it's not just John MacArthur.
Speaker 3: It's a bunch of the reform traditions. So I want
Speaker 3: to understand what this punishment is and what this turning
Speaker 3: away is. What does it mean when he says the
Speaker 3: father forsook him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the father forsaken Yeah.
Speaker 22: So like he did not have like as full a
Speaker 22: sense of the beatific vision for example.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Jesus stopped being a divine person.
Speaker 2: That's not what I said.
Speaker 3: How do you not have a division a vision of
Speaker 3: the of God if you're a divine person. Is Jesus
Speaker 3: a divine person?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jesus is a divine person.
Speaker 3: But he lost the beatific visions. But he lost the
Speaker 3: beatific vision, Yes you did. You just said he didn't
Speaker 3: have the fullness of it. You just lied.
Speaker 2: The fullness of it is different from having it. If
Speaker 2: you can't distinguish that, I.
Speaker 3: Can't distinguish it. So Jesus lost the beatific vision, but
Speaker 3: he still had some of it, so he could like
Speaker 3: see through a glass darkly, the beatific vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Christ experience like the darkness and his soul.
Speaker 3: On the cross darkness in this don't you know what
Speaker 3: that means? I'm asking you your position, which is nonsense.
Speaker 3: So Jesus lost the beatific vision as a divine person. No,
Speaker 3: I don't. So you're a nestorian exactly as we said
Speaker 3: from the very beginning.
Speaker 22: No, No, I believe Christ is a divine person that
Speaker 22: assumed the human nature.
Speaker 3: The divine person doesn't lose the beatific vision. Heretic and
Speaker 3: there is no beatific vision Latin sense anyway, you don't
Speaker 3: see the divine essence but on their own model. If
Speaker 3: being a divine person is being the divine essence, how
Speaker 3: do you not really fully see the divine sc That
Speaker 3: was so stupid, What a bunch of sophistry and word games.
Speaker 3: And he kept wanting to debate Calvin's But I don't
Speaker 3: care about Calvin's position, exempted cat, what's up? Jesus lost
Speaker 3: the betic vision, but only a little bit. I'm mute.
Speaker 3: What's up.
Speaker 40: All?
Speaker 9: I can't connect, Young Sheldon kah.
Speaker 20: Yo, Uh yeah, I just wanted to talk a little
Speaker 20: bit about that Sam Hyde podcast. I think I think
Speaker 20: my opinion is kind of in between you and the
Speaker 20: wine Mom. And I mean I'm a Sam Hide fan.
Speaker 20: I love his stuff. I just think that the problem
Speaker 20: was just a clashing comedy style. Like it's kind of
Speaker 20: like it's kind of like, you know, rock paper scissors,
Speaker 20: Like some comedy styles just dismantle or trump other ones.
Speaker 20: And I think Sam Hyde's comedy is like really the
Speaker 20: crux of his whole thing is that he kind of
Speaker 20: like takes you into his domain. Like he just creates
Speaker 20: like this crazy world and he like makes you subject
Speaker 20: to it, like for example, the the paradigm shift, the
Speaker 20: twenty twenty seventy paradigm shift. He hijacks this ted X
Speaker 20: talk and he takes all he's like these kind of
Speaker 20: like modern.
Speaker 2: Liberal fellas in the crowd.
Speaker 20: He just takes some hostage and he subjects him to
Speaker 20: all this like bullshit. And similar to the and also
Speaker 20: with the Eye Dubs thing, right, he takes I Dubs
Speaker 20: who doesn't realize what he's what he's getting into, brings
Speaker 20: them into his like converted dental's office, totally flips the
Speaker 20: script on him, creates this wacky world where it's like,
Speaker 20: you know, this guy is like making beats in the corner,
Speaker 20: he's smoking, his girlfriend is like high on meth, like
Speaker 20: Ian can't even comprehend what's happening. And that's sort of
Speaker 20: his style. Sam, Like, yeah, Sam, Sam Hid likes to
Speaker 20: like take people into his domain and it's his world
Speaker 20: is like crazy, right, and that's where the absurdist kind
Speaker 20: of humor is there. And Harlan he's he's sort of
Speaker 20: absurdist as well, but he's it's it's a different way.
Speaker 2: Like like a first.
Speaker 20: Glance, you might think you know they're compatible because they're
Speaker 20: both you know, wacky, goofy, but really it's two completely
Speaker 20: different styles. Harland he's more like he's more like, you know,
Speaker 20: I don't really like him, so this might influence how
Speaker 20: I describe it. But He's he's just more like random.
Speaker 20: He's just more like it's less coherent, it's less structured, right,
Speaker 20: he just kind of says things. He throws out a
Speaker 20: joke here, changes the topic. It's like it's it's it
Speaker 20: doesn't it doesn't actually coincide with Sam's style of humor.
Speaker 2: Like, so they're not really a good match for each other.
Speaker 20: And so like what I think is that Sam Hide
Speaker 20: he's just more structured and Harland he's just a little
Speaker 20: bit more more random, and that actually dismantles Unfortunately, I
Speaker 20: think that dismantles Sam Hide's like specialty is comedy because
Speaker 20: they can't stick on one like Sam Hi can't bring Harland.
Speaker 2: Into his world, into his like right, he can't do.
Speaker 20: That because it's just not compatible. He's Harland isn't like.
Speaker 20: He isn't like I Dubs or someone who who is
Speaker 20: willing to willing to follow a single line of thought. Right,
Speaker 20: He's more random, He's all over the place. I personally
Speaker 20: find that really boring. So I don't like that. I
Speaker 20: prefer Sam Hide style. But unfortunately Sam Hide, it just
Speaker 20: didn't It just didn't work. And I think the gorilla
Speaker 20: the gorilla thing for me, that the gorilla thing was.
Speaker 2: The funniest part.
Speaker 20: But but I can I can see what people are
Speaker 20: talking about when they say, you know, he crashed out
Speaker 20: and it and it wasn't good because I think Sam
Speaker 20: was was trying to Sam Sam Hide was a fish
Speaker 20: out of water there. He he had he couldn't do
Speaker 20: his his comedy. What he's known for, what he's comfortable with,
Speaker 20: he couldn't do it, and the moment he was given
Speaker 20: an opportunity to do something like that, right when he
Speaker 20: was given the the permission to make a gorilla's nest, well,
Speaker 20: what he did was he tried to bring bring Harlan
Speaker 20: into his domain.
Speaker 2: And that kind of worked.
Speaker 20: I mean, like everyone, everyone was subject to the environment
Speaker 20: Sam Hide created where he was in control at that moment,
Speaker 20: and that I think it was the funniest part. But
Speaker 20: obviously I think Sam Hide also went a little overboard,
Speaker 20: and you know, maybe it was a little flustered, and yeah,
Speaker 20: that's just that's.
Speaker 2: How I see that.
Speaker 3: Well, if you watch the and I did watch significant
Speaker 3: sections of the Harlan Joe Rogan podcast from a while
Speaker 3: back a year ago, and a lot of people were
Speaker 3: making a big stink of this and fuss about this
Speaker 3: because Joe Rogan seemed to not really be getting or
Speaker 3: interested in the stories and the jokes either. It was
Speaker 3: very It's another sort of less volatile interaction that was
Speaker 3: kind of similar in certain ways, not that Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: is in any way similar to Hyde, but they were
Speaker 3: having this interaction back and forth, and Harlan kept telling
Speaker 3: these wacky stories and kind of being silly, and Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan was kind of more like I wanted to have
Speaker 3: a conversation. I know that the first time I went
Speaker 3: on Jamie Kennedy's podcast, it was similar because I assumed
Speaker 3: that we would be yucking it up and Jamie would
Speaker 3: have this very serious kind of conspiracy discussion, which is fine,
Speaker 3: but if you if you watch the whole podcast, Jamie's like,
Speaker 3: why is this guy? Damn he's already doing on his vices.
Speaker 3: I want attack at Akin's Fanisey. It's like the whole thing,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't bad. It didn't ended up being what yeah,
Speaker 3: we're is a that right? Uh? This guy that ready
Speaker 3: down vices?
Speaker 17: It's like, well, I do impressings all the time, Dude,
Speaker 17: I'm gonna I'm gonna personate you don't anyway, So sometimes.
Speaker 3: We do get these clash of personality situation. So I
Speaker 3: think that caller was correct that there there was a
Speaker 3: clash of personalities for sure going on here. And by
Speaker 3: the way, if I recall doesn't Harlan in this episode,
Speaker 3: he tells this story that he.
Speaker 17: Has a gut like a leech or like a what
Speaker 17: do you call those worms?
Speaker 3: That eat eat your guts out. I forget to know
Speaker 3: what's the what's the name of the worm that lives
Speaker 3: in your guts? They got tapeworm? Yeah, Like he tells
Speaker 3: the story that he's got a tape worm, but he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to get rid of it because they got
Speaker 3: they get to be friends or something, which is funny.
Speaker 3: But guess what that's actually and it's always sonny in
Speaker 3: Philadelphia episode Frank gets a tapeworm and he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to get rid of it. Or is it Charlie Frank
Speaker 3: or Charlie gets a tape worm? It's actually it's a
Speaker 3: really funny idea. But I mean, I'm not saying Harlan
Speaker 3: stole it. I don't know, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, comedy is a weird thing. Also, people
Speaker 3: can be in moods too, Like people could be in
Speaker 3: a bad mood that day and they're just not feeling it.
Speaker 3: But somebody made a good point. Mike Hunt says Harlan
Speaker 3: could have at least plugged Extreme Peace, And I think
Speaker 3: that's a good argument that there was some real tension
Speaker 3: here because he did bleep out any of the references
Speaker 3: to the new season Yeah, it's a tapeworm named Jerry,
Speaker 3: and it's a is it Frank or Charlie that has
Speaker 3: the tapeworm? It's pretty funny. Object full ten dollars, Thank
Speaker 3: you man, Alex adame ten dollars. What up is the
Speaker 3: argument that if Trump is compromised, it would have come out?
Speaker 3: Is that a bad argument? I don't think it's a
Speaker 3: bad argument. Do you think he's compromised. I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of different possibilities that we just don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, Trump could have been, for example, working with
Speaker 3: the FBI a long time ago. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: even Alex mentioned this possibility that could have happened a
Speaker 3: long time ago. Trump might not be able to talk
Speaker 3: about certain things because of, you know, gring to work
Speaker 3: with the FBI back when Epstein was first being invested.
Speaker 3: I I'm just saying this is a possibility, have no idea,
Speaker 3: and then maybe Trump maybe other people have pointed out
Speaker 3: that it might not even be about what people think
Speaker 3: it might be, because there's high level financial elites lobbyists
Speaker 3: that are compromised, and that that's a big part of it,
Speaker 3: even above the politicians. So people think, oh, it's the
Speaker 3: politicians now there's a class of people above the politicians
Speaker 3: that might be compromised, and that's the big deal, not
Speaker 3: the political class. Matt ten dollars. I bought an ignacious
Speaker 3: study Bible. Is that a good choice for a Catholic. Well,
Speaker 3: we're Orthodox Catholics, so we're I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: you to buy a Roman Catholic study Bible. No, get
Speaker 3: an Orthodox study Bible. That's what I would recommend, ROSSI
Speaker 3: one dollar, Jay. How would you feel about the claim
Speaker 3: that determinism can still be true even though reasoning and
Speaker 3: belief are causal processes. Well, then it would no longer
Speaker 3: be knowledge or truth the way that we typically in
Speaker 3: philosophy have talked about knowledge and truth. This would actually
Speaker 3: be a defeater, because to know something would require the
Speaker 3: ability to adjudicate between the true and the false. But
Speaker 3: if everything that you believe is literally just a determined effect,
Speaker 3: then you're not actually adjudicating between true and false. So
Speaker 3: there's no value judgments in a deterministic system. So I
Speaker 3: don't think this argument would work. All right, let's see
Speaker 3: we've got more calls here, Wired Prometheus.
Speaker 12: Hello again, thanks a lot for your previous answer. What
Speaker 12: are the main points that you would use to criticize
Speaker 12: the CTM you with, and is a metaphysical model like
Speaker 12: that reconcilable with Christianity?
Speaker 3: Again, if God is a platonic monad or if God
Speaker 3: is a projection of my mind or of the subconscious
Speaker 3: or something like that, that's not at all compatible with Christianity.
Speaker 3: And also, again I think from an epistemic standpoint, if
Speaker 3: he's a committed classical foundationalist, then all the critiques of foundationalism,
Speaker 3: I think would reply. God's Soldier, Cillia soldier. By the way, guys,
Speaker 3: I forgot.
Speaker 27: Uh.
Speaker 3: We're gonna close this out here in a little bit.
Speaker 3: We will be back tonight with our buddy, yours, George,
Speaker 3: who has a new book coming out, the Errors of
Speaker 3: the Latins. If you guys remember about four years ago
Speaker 3: we had Snack and George on together where we covered
Speaker 3: the forgeries, and George has spent the last four years
Speaker 3: collating and putting together this book, Errors of the Latins,
Speaker 3: kind of detailing and going through the classic papal forgeries.
Speaker 3: So we will be doing that interview at nine pm tonight,
Speaker 3: so be sure and be ready for that. God's Soldier,
Speaker 3: what's up? Man?
Speaker 2: Are you going to talk or about Hey, sorry, didn't
Speaker 2: see it, was there, you guys doing it up.
Speaker 6: So I was raised as a seventh day advenus, and
Speaker 6: I've been looking into Orthodoxy, one.
Speaker 2: Of the test I guess hiccups. It's trying to wrall the.
Speaker 15: Not chance, just the practice of worshiping on the Sabbath,
Speaker 15: and now we're shipping on the Lord's Day or Sunday.
Speaker 15: I would you reconcile that? Exactly?
Speaker 3: Well, there's nothing to reconciled, because the Orthodox Church in
Speaker 3: the Saturday vespers still honors the seventh Day. But as
Speaker 3: the Book of Hebrews says, we are now entered into
Speaker 3: the resurrection Sabbath, which is His resurrection rest. So in
Speaker 3: the New Testament they meet together the first day of
Speaker 3: the week to celebrate the breaking of bread, which is
Speaker 3: the liturgy. And so it's also shows us the superiority
Speaker 3: of the New Covenant to the Judaic Covenant. So we
Speaker 3: are no longer under the Old Testament Judaic rights and rituals.
Speaker 3: We're now in the New Covenant realities.
Speaker 15: I see, okay, I know I read somewhere that like
Speaker 15: there's the ceremonial Sabbath, right, and then there's I think
Speaker 15: one more for now what it was, it can help
Speaker 15: me out there.
Speaker 3: Well, when John says I was in the spirit on
Speaker 3: the Lord's Day, right, and then he sees into heaven
Speaker 3: and he sees this liturgical service going on. The Lord's
Speaker 3: Day is the first day of the week. So what
Speaker 3: John is seeing is the heavenly liturgy. So that lets
Speaker 3: us know that John is looking up into heaven and
Speaker 3: he's seeing this worship that's going on in heaven, which
Speaker 3: is liturgical worship, and that alone should show you that
Speaker 3: the seven day adven Is cult is false because they
Speaker 3: don't even have liturgical worship.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I was gonna say, just from what I remember,
Speaker 15: is a night and Dame difference compared to Orthodoxy. And
Speaker 15: then I guess the first day of the week that
Speaker 15: would be considered Sunday obviously.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, No.
Speaker 15: That helps out a lot, just because I've been trying
Speaker 15: to just talk more with the family about that, because
Speaker 15: they're all seventh Day in Venice and I'm kind of
Speaker 15: the black sheep, you could see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, right, he says I was in the
Speaker 3: spirit on the Lord's Day, and and I know a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't think about it this way, but
Speaker 3: we think that he's actually celebrating the divine liturgy because
Speaker 3: he sees the altar, he sees the endcense. That's all
Speaker 3: liturgical imagery and language, So that lets us know that
Speaker 3: it's not talking about the Jewish Sabbath liturgical prepper. What's up.
Speaker 2: On me?
Speaker 3: Hello? Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 30: Yeah?
Speaker 41: I was.
Speaker 30: This isn't a topic I'd normally call in and bother
Speaker 30: you with, but since you have any topic going on,
Speaker 30: I just wanted to ask a question to you, or
Speaker 30: really just ask your advice. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I
Speaker 30: live in Spokane, Washington, and I have a parishioner that
Speaker 30: goes through our church who was a Spokane police officer
Speaker 30: that he's been wrongfully convicted and is sitting in prison
Speaker 30: based on getting kind of caught between the defund the
Speaker 30: police that was going on in Washington State and basically
Speaker 30: being made an example of and like a quick win
Speaker 30: for them to show that they're like working on corruption
Speaker 30: in Spokane. And so there's like all these articles that
Speaker 30: have been written about him, how he's been being convicted
Speaker 30: and guilty, and it's like I have all the proof
Speaker 30: in front of me that shows that they you know,
Speaker 30: he was perjured against video, evidence was destroyed. They just
Speaker 30: assumed that he was guilty from the get go and
Speaker 30: then just applied this. And I mean, he sits in
Speaker 30: prison and it's a life sentence because if he doesn't
Speaker 30: admit to his guilt, which he doesn't intend to lie
Speaker 30: or admit to wrongful charges, he's there for good. And
Speaker 30: so I guess I'm just asking for help advice of
Speaker 30: you know, I guess it's just.
Speaker 32: A bigger, a bigger conversation.
Speaker 30: As far as the corruption in Spokane, as far as
Speaker 30: the police goes, and just how this one orthodox Christian
Speaker 30: for my parish has been made an example and sits
Speaker 30: in prison innocent.
Speaker 3: Man. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I don't know
Speaker 3: what to say about that. I mean, you're saying that
Speaker 3: it was because of defund the police, and he was
Speaker 3: for that or against that.
Speaker 30: Basically, he came to understand. He kind of took the
Speaker 30: job out of naivete thinking he could help, and when
Speaker 30: he got there, it was basically like, no, we're not
Speaker 30: here to actually help the public.
Speaker 2: We're here to like you know.
Speaker 30: Classify the public and and and you know, or make arrest.
Speaker 30: And he wasn't willing to just make pointless arrest, so
Speaker 30: he had it up in issues with the special Investigations
Speaker 30: unit that just wanted him to make like mindless arrest
Speaker 30: and he was just trying to treat people as human
Speaker 30: beings and found that there was no place for that
Speaker 30: on the police force for him at all.
Speaker 2: And at that point, there was you.
Speaker 30: Know, this one person that's made allegations against him as
Speaker 30: a meth addict, and she has multiple allegations against the
Speaker 30: police officers. And this other woman thinks she's Jesus, and
Speaker 30: so they have just found this method. They've paid these
Speaker 30: two women close to a million dollars in settlements now.
Speaker 30: And like I said, I've all of his appeals have
Speaker 30: been exhausted with the exception of one, and he's run
Speaker 30: out of money for lead, like for legal fees. So
Speaker 30: like me and my godson and some of us have
Speaker 30: kind of become his like amateur legal team because we helped,
Speaker 30: you know, go through the files and then you know,
Speaker 30: help him to write his appeals and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, is this like a blue area, I'm assuming.
Speaker 32: What are you in a blue area?
Speaker 3: Democrat?
Speaker 30: Well, we're eastern Washington, but Spokane is somewhat liberal within itself,
Speaker 30: so it's kind of like we're two two mentalities clash
Speaker 30: of like conservative eastern Washington close to Idaho. I mean,
Speaker 30: if he was a comp in Idaho, this would have
Speaker 30: never happened because they didn't have this opposition to police.
Speaker 30: But just him being in Washington and essentially trying to
Speaker 30: treat people like human beings and there was just no
Speaker 30: place for that on the police force. And he just
Speaker 30: ended up developing enemies because he just wasn't willing to
Speaker 30: play ball the way they.
Speaker 2: Wanted him to play ball.
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, man, I don't like these kind of local
Speaker 3: clashes with corrupt leaders. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: I mean, have like a website or something you want
Speaker 3: to push out and promote and get get people look, you.
Speaker 30: Know, and for unfortunately right now I don't. His name
Speaker 30: is Nathan Nash. If anybody wants to pray for him,
Speaker 30: I've actually been in like like talking to a couple
Speaker 30: other people about possibly going on their podcast and two more.
Speaker 2: Things like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could like up hit up somebody like Robert Barnes.
Speaker 3: I know he takes a lot of these kind of cases,
Speaker 3: but Uh, yeah, you know, if you get a website
Speaker 3: up or something like that, feel free to call back
Speaker 3: in Max Payin, what's up? Sorry that that happened. I
Speaker 3: just don't know what. I don't know anything about. I've
Speaker 3: never been to Washington. They'rever been even close to Washington.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I would just stay out of these big cities. Man,
Speaker 3: they're all corrupt. What up? Dog? I'm you? Is the internet?
Speaker 3: Just Max Mackie Payne. Do you want to talk or not?
Speaker 3: Jord On What's up? Yep? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bring it back to the Sam hyping again. But like
Speaker 2: I guess that the last well is like.
Speaker 35: Come off school, but I think it's like so much
Speaker 35: more straightforward than that. Like in the beginning of the podcast,
Speaker 35: Sam tries to like bring some of his like material
Speaker 35: and content that he like likes to talk about and
Speaker 35: then cuts it off, like as the Filipino Talk right,
Speaker 35: they do the whole podcast from he set them right
Speaker 35: Sam once again because he doesn't want to get cut off.
Speaker 35: What he says, let's avoid the jew question, right, and
Speaker 35: he tries to go into other areas right, Harvin brings
Speaker 35: it back up, cuts him off again, doesn't allow him
Speaker 35: to go anywhere, and then he just goes down this
Speaker 35: weird line of like emasculating questioning.
Speaker 3: Right mmmm, so he asked.
Speaker 35: He tries to force the Filipino dude to tongue punch
Speaker 35: a fake salmon piece, and Sam's eb.
Speaker 2: And We're like, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Well I didn't hear that. Go back and we can
Speaker 3: barely hear you. It's bad internet today. So he tries
Speaker 3: to what the Filipino did.
Speaker 35: Say that again, he tries to make the Filipino dude like,
Speaker 35: do ton of lingus on his line of pushin of
Speaker 35: lingus on a salmon piece.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I got you, I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Sam's immediately like, no, don't do that on a what
Speaker 2: what was it?
Speaker 35: What was it?
Speaker 2: A fake piece of salmon?
Speaker 3: Like fake oh salmon?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and so Hide.
Speaker 35: Goes like, don't do that, don't do that, and he
Speaker 35: continu used to push it.
Speaker 2: Sam gets over it. They move on.
Speaker 35: Then he goes into like the priest thing, and if
Speaker 35: you watch PGL, Sam's not like offended by the priest
Speaker 35: think he just hates that like weak, low tier like
Speaker 35: super used shot comedy.
Speaker 3: Right, oh gotcha, okay, But.
Speaker 35: Then he goes right back to the emasculation, and he
Speaker 35: looks Sam in the face and goes, have you been raped?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 35: So it's this weird thing of the mascul And then
Speaker 35: you get into the gorilla thing.
Speaker 2: What does Sam do?
Speaker 35: Like the other guy said, he gets into his domain,
Speaker 35: he flips it. But then he grabs him and goes
Speaker 35: to take him into the nets. So he's like, you're
Speaker 35: gonna do this weird and masculation thing. Okay, I'll buy
Speaker 35: into the one joke you've allowed me to get into, but.
Speaker 2: You're gonna feel this amount.
Speaker 3: And you think the remember grape right, excuse the word great.
Speaker 3: You think the great thing that look the grape was
Speaker 3: intended to uh and masculate Sam. That's why I brought
Speaker 3: that up.
Speaker 2: I think I think the whole thing, after the whole
Speaker 2: joke cut off thing.
Speaker 35: What other reason would you pull a pizza like out
Speaker 35: of nowhere, pull it up like something out and ask
Speaker 35: another like a man on camera.
Speaker 2: To lick it?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 35: And then Sam, when Sam goes to the grillathic, he
Speaker 35: grabs him and pulls him into the nest.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 35: I think that was just Sam going like, if you're
Speaker 35: gonna like I've tried and tried and restarted and trying
Speaker 35: to make jokes, Okay, this is one one joke. I'm
Speaker 35: gonna take.
Speaker 2: Full control of it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's all. I think it was
Speaker 2: that simple.
Speaker 26: I don't.
Speaker 35: I don't like hard Like if you look through the comments,
Speaker 35: like Harland is like it's kind of bipolar the comments
Speaker 35: he's liking, Like he's liking some of the ones that's say,
Speaker 35: like it's squad and bad, but there's like a wave
Speaker 35: it's like that he's liking saying Harland overcame or dominated,
Speaker 35: like saying it's like a really weird thing, like why
Speaker 35: would you bring some of your podcasts to like dominate him,
Speaker 35: Like Harlan's never done that any other podcasts.
Speaker 2: Just a weird, porky weirdness.
Speaker 35: But this whole like vibe was weird because I've watched
Speaker 35: a lot of Harland's podcasts.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, see, I've not seen any of his podcasts
Speaker 3: so so that you're saying the vibe in the in
Speaker 3: his podcast is way different for everybody else.
Speaker 35: It's not like extremely different, but he'll play along like
Speaker 35: he can stick on a topic and like make weird
Speaker 35: and do his porky thing and go along. But from
Speaker 35: the very beginning of the podcast, it was super weird.
Speaker 35: Doesn't Charleton frame?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, why did he do that?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe they're just all doing that to be funny,
Speaker 3: but like, why did he stick Charles out of frame?
Speaker 35: It seemed like a whole we weird like domination thing
Speaker 35: and the comments that they're the probe that the YouTube
Speaker 35: channel is liking. It definitely seems like that because it's
Speaker 35: all the comments he's like me to look through on
Speaker 35: the YouTube. It's all them like his weird little like
Speaker 35: the weird atheist people going like appreciated, he spoiled, has
Speaker 35: spoiled you got to fit. In a pre show, Carland
Speaker 35: totally trolled him and dominating.
Speaker 28: Comments.
Speaker 2: It's a really weird vibe.
Speaker 35: Like even with macad Evans, Harland was super cool with him.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I.
Speaker 35: Think made jokes on topics and stuff. They the first
Speaker 35: fifteen minutes podcast. They couldn't like stake on a single thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's all I had to say. I didnther
Speaker 2: think it's super strange?
Speaker 3: No, those are interesting. Yeah, I'm really enjoying everybody's takes
Speaker 3: on this. The more I hear everybody else's takes, the
Speaker 3: more I'm like, I don't even know what's going on, squirrel,
Speaker 3: what's up? People are overthinking this? I do agree that
Speaker 3: with that, Like I just thought this was like just goober, goofy,
Speaker 3: let's create a.
Speaker 17: Spectacle, and like now the whole inner nets like going wow,
Speaker 17: and you're nobody's even talking about now. They are talking
Speaker 17: about this.
Speaker 3: In fact, the U the protestinga clip has like what's up, squirrel? Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I just a little comment.
Speaker 37: And I don't know if it's had to do with
Speaker 37: your new camera or something along the line. But notice
Speaker 37: for the last maybe two weeks or so, your stream
Speaker 37: is constantly reloading, and I don't get that on anybody
Speaker 37: else's channel.
Speaker 6: So it's not my internet, but I watch YouTube all
Speaker 6: day long at work, and yours.
Speaker 37: In particular is super tough to watch because it's constantly
Speaker 37: stopping and reloading.
Speaker 17: Anybody in the chat, tell me if you're having the
Speaker 17: same problem, and we'll try to see what's going on
Speaker 17: and address that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you mean. I'm reloading because like
Speaker 3: you have to reload your on your side.
Speaker 1: And like.
Speaker 3: That might be at your work or something, or your computer,
Speaker 3: because when I look at the status on both YouTube
Speaker 3: and on stream labs, it's a straight up perfect quality
Speaker 3: consistent seven thousand kb kilvis per second, sixty frames per second.
Speaker 3: Everything should be top sphere. If I look at stream
Speaker 3: Health on YouTube, everybody in the chat is saying that
Speaker 3: this guy's a boomer. Everything works fine. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I'm getting I think it's your work computer because stream
Speaker 3: health has been excellent and perfect on both sides YouTube
Speaker 3: and obs for the last several hours. Where was this
Speaker 3: comment about?
Speaker 24: No?
Speaker 3: Where is it a h No, it wasn't protesting. It
Speaker 3: was af news. So it's already almost to a million
Speaker 3: views or impressions over here on Twitter. But it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a different vibe over here, like the
Speaker 3: comments are less imbalanced anyway. Where you talking about this,
Speaker 3: because in order to have an audience, you have to
Speaker 3: talk about what everyone's talking about. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've figured out the internet yet, but that's how it works.
Speaker 3: Tyl Hasse, you want to try again?
Speaker 29: Jay?
Speaker 3: You heard me now? Yeah?
Speaker 39: Okay, good, excellent? Sorry driving to your Pennsylvania all these
Speaker 39: hills with jacking up the service at a raid storm.
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 39: I wanted to ask you, what are your thoughts if
Speaker 39: any John MacArthur at his recent passage.
Speaker 3: I honestly I don't know anything about it. I never
Speaker 3: followed John MacArthur, was never interested in him, never even
Speaker 3: read any of his stuff. Don't know anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know who he is, but I've never followed him.
Speaker 39: Okay, fair enough, I had really quick If I may
Speaker 39: ask something maybe kind of related but also kind of
Speaker 39: to topic use, I haven't heard you talk about this
Speaker 39: topic that much. I've heard top Orthodox bring it up
Speaker 39: here there. I know it's not a dog ball as
Speaker 39: far as I know, But what do you What do
Speaker 39: you think of the toll house concept?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would just say look at father Sara from
Speaker 3: Roses book Life of the Soul after Death, and I
Speaker 3: pretty much agree with that. Coop. What's up? Coop? Yo?
Speaker 2: Jay?
Speaker 11: I am very much tapped in with your film critique
Speaker 11: and kind of film study side.
Speaker 3: Of your work.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if you keep a notepad of
Speaker 2: recommendations I have like I do, Quit.
Speaker 11: I have a media that was just Option b A
Speaker 11: twenty four that is like a culmination of a lot
Speaker 11: of your studies.
Speaker 2: I would say, what I think?
Speaker 3: Are you being seriously joking?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 39: I mean like topic wise, like the movie topics hit
Speaker 39: a ton of topics that you talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well wait, you're saying you have a screenplay that
Speaker 3: you did that you're giving to a twenty four about
Speaker 3: stuff that I talked about.
Speaker 2: What do you mean that they've optioned one that someone
Speaker 2: else made?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: And just reading about this media, it is like Jay
Speaker 2: Dyer has to watch.
Speaker 39: This when it comes up.
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: I think it'll be called death stranding?
Speaker 3: Is that after the video game? Yes, okay, that's.
Speaker 11: Going to be a film, and they have the opportunity
Speaker 11: to really push a lot of agendas through this media.
Speaker 3: Now, No, that's great. I always appreciate those recommendations. Usually
Speaker 3: the best off you know, movie wise comes from audience recommendations.
Speaker 3: Books too. By the way, so appreciate that. JR. What's up? Man?
Speaker 3: Is this the same JR? Adams?
Speaker 17: By the way, I didn't mean to boot you earlier. John,
Speaker 17: I thought you were done. Feel free to talk as
Speaker 17: long as you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want me talking.
Speaker 3: You're trying to stifle me from being able to Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to censor you. Fine, you're gonna expose me.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be exposed. I'm fragile. I'm licking
Speaker 3: the testicles of Alex Jonson.
Speaker 24: Sam Height, mean it man on the internet who's just
Speaker 24: butt snipping Sam get popular.
Speaker 3: Yes, feel free to expose me.
Speaker 24: I was actually I was actually just gonna point out
Speaker 24: real quick that tapeworm joke is like an old Three
Speaker 24: Stooges joke from I didn't know that. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 24: not that anybody's gonna know who the Three Stooges are
Speaker 24: if they don't even know who Michael McDonald is.
Speaker 2: He called me, all right, I just want to point
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 29: What a more.
Speaker 3: Believes y'are just.
Speaker 17: The worst man, David Murdock, aren't five dollars prayers for Alaska.
Speaker 17: There was just a giant seven point through earthquake.
Speaker 3: It is potentially a mashed cow'sly event. Woe, dude, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Is this is this real tsunami? I'm not gonna make
Speaker 3: any jokes if that's real, because that would not be appropriate.
Speaker 35: Is that this.
Speaker 3: Was it in the water off the off of the
Speaker 3: So the earthquake was in the water and it might
Speaker 3: cause us to Sam me, well, we got a lot
Speaker 3: of Orthodox people up there, so uh, pray for the
Speaker 3: Orthodox up there, Lord have mercy. Mike count five dollars.
Speaker 3: Sam was not going to get a plug for or
Speaker 3: MD either way. I think he knew that, and he
Speaker 3: just made the interview be something viral. If he did
Speaker 3: nothing there would have gotten any exposure. That's another angle too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe Sam was just aware of the fact that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, Harland's podcast gets like twenty thirty that gets
Speaker 3: like as many views as we get on her live stream.
Speaker 3: So maybe he, you know, felt like, create a spectacle,
Speaker 3: make it go viral, something like that. Elias became a member.
Speaker 3: What's that dog? Elias says for five dollars, we need
Speaker 3: to relax. People need to relax. We need to let
Speaker 3: Sam hide and Harland explain the situation. That'll be interesting
Speaker 3: to see what they say about it. Mike three says,
Speaker 3: for ten dollars, this is the stris End effect. Sam
Speaker 3: Hid remains undefeated. That's also an interesting angle. You know,
Speaker 3: we're kind of in this age where rage baiting is
Speaker 3: the rage, and you think that a thing happens and
Speaker 3: oh this is the end of so and so not
Speaker 3: that anybody thinks this is the end of Sam High,
Speaker 3: but you know, people think, oh, this is going to
Speaker 3: be the end of Dean Withers or you know this,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, this is the end of Trent Doherty. No, No,
Speaker 3: he'll probably come back as like the top Catholic apologist.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, things do not work the way that
Speaker 3: you think logically in terms of media. It's like Sam
Speaker 3: Hyde had this joke too. He was talking about Hawk
Speaker 3: Tua and people are like, oh, Hawk two is dead,
Speaker 3: and Sam's like, no, she's just getting started. She'll come
Speaker 3: back even stronger after her crypto scamp. It's like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: that's the way. That's the way it really works. Where
Speaker 3: are we at here? Mystical ape.
Speaker 2: Was man has a bow?
Speaker 3: Mystical eight? What's up?
Speaker 37: Dog?
Speaker 2: Jud Hello? Hello? How are you? Uh?
Speaker 3: We got a funny man what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Also, and my bros are chilling in my lip shop and.
Speaker 25: We were thinking if then bla blah lah, so why
Speaker 25: not the mohammed you hut exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the kind of joke call that I
Speaker 3: love and appreciate, and I'm not joking being serious. I
Speaker 3: actually like a fake Muslim call is actually pretty good,
Speaker 3: Devin Holt. What's up? By the way, I was joking
Speaker 3: a while back about buying hawk to a coin. Obviously
Speaker 3: I was not gonna do that, And then did you
Speaker 3: notice that I think it did recently, Pump. I mean
Speaker 3: that's the funny thing about cryptos, Like you think these
Speaker 3: like obvious rug pull scam cryptos are dead, and then
Speaker 3: like out of nowhere, one day, Oh, hawk Tua coin
Speaker 3: is up today. What's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: We live in such a weird world that fart coin
Speaker 3: has like a multi billion dollar valuation, right, a billion
Speaker 3: dollar evaluation? And what hawk Tua is it? Back?
Speaker 8: Up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Look at that in three months this stupid ass rug
Speaker 3: pull coin has actually gone up. That's amazing. By the way,
Speaker 3: I'm not at all promoting the stupid You gotta be
Speaker 3: a total dumb dumb to buy this stupid thing. What's up, man, yo?
Speaker 24: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Uh huh okay.
Speaker 40: I was gonna ask you about when you think of
Speaker 40: Robert Eggers and specifically Nosparato.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of his films. Like obviously I watched.
Speaker 40: Your video about the Witch and how it got like
Speaker 40: promoted by like some Satanic group.
Speaker 2: That was strange.
Speaker 28: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't like Nusrato either. That was gross. I thought
Speaker 3: it was like pro uh you know, the woman rides
Speaker 3: the beast type stuff. I thought that was very Krollian.
Speaker 3: That was my take on it.
Speaker 40: M Yeah, because I mean, obviously, I mean I remember
Speaker 40: watching it and you know, he goes to the Orthodox
Speaker 40: Church and I you know, soy faced at the screen.
Speaker 40: But other than that, the movie was pretty demonic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that in the book it's kind of
Speaker 3: that way, or in the in the Yeah, in the
Speaker 3: book it's kind of it would be Orthodox Church.
Speaker 40: Yeah, it can't it can't not be demonic obviously because
Speaker 40: about Dracula.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 34: I enjoy that.
Speaker 40: Guy's films as being filmed.
Speaker 3: But I've liked, I've only liked. I mean, there's elements
Speaker 3: of The Witch that I liked, elements that I didn't like.
Speaker 3: I thought the Northman was pretty good.
Speaker 2: The rest of them, the Norseman was probably the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest of them I don't care for. I
Speaker 3: didn't like Lighthouse was super gay. We did a breakdown
Speaker 3: of that, and I.
Speaker 40: Mean, I don't know if you heard, uh, I mean
Speaker 40: you probably did hear about the news of the suicide bombing.
Speaker 40: I think it was like two weeks ago in the Syria.
Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard that, Yes, the Orthodox Church,
Speaker 3: I did hear that, yes, and then today Syria was
Speaker 3: getting I think attacked by Israel, right Tranquil Panther, Yes,
Speaker 3: that's correct. The Noserato movie Exaggerate exaggerated the esoteric stuff
Speaker 3: for sure, because it's not actually that occultic in the book.
Speaker 3: But Aggers definitely does put the you know, legit Sigils
Speaker 3: and Crowley and stuff in his movies, and that's kind
Speaker 3: of what we were That's what we were pointing out
Speaker 3: at the very beginning when we did the Witch analysis.
Speaker 3: What's up, man, I'm starting to get a headache that
Speaker 3: one ginger doesn't carry me. What's up?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 41: I was really enjoying the conversation earlier about like authenticity
Speaker 41: and music and AI. Actually kind of an interesting thought
Speaker 41: that I've been thinking about for a while, redaring that
Speaker 41: maybe just wanting to get your thoughts on AI in general.
Speaker 41: So I was thinking, you know, what would I do
Speaker 41: if I was a kind of evil record executive and
Speaker 41: I want to set to pump out as many vehicles
Speaker 41: for getting money and attention as possible. I think you're
Speaker 41: absolutely right that no one's going to want to listen
Speaker 41: to music that they know isn't authentic.
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to start hiding.
Speaker 41: The fact that they're using AI and just instead of
Speaker 41: producers and ghostwriters in the background, is just all going
Speaker 41: to be AI ghost written. And you know what I
Speaker 41: would do if I was one of these executives is
Speaker 41: I would just find some up and coming person on
Speaker 41: TikTok and I would pay them to use their voice
Speaker 41: to train us singing models and then have like do
Speaker 41: one hundred of these and then just do market research
Speaker 41: on SoundCloud to see which one will hit the artist demographically.
Speaker 2: And then pump them up.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really good Yeah, they should hire you
Speaker 3: to run their scams for them, Tranquil Panther, because that
Speaker 3: sounds like literally what they would do. Josh, what's up
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Speaker 28: Josh?
Speaker 2: Hey, I gotta I gotta head out. Thanks for having
Speaker 2: me on, Jake Good Topics.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, what's up, Josh?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 42: I wanted to ask what you thought about hypernormalization and
Speaker 42: the kind of everything they see in the news, Like
Speaker 42: the Epstein stuff is specifically designed to insense people, and
Speaker 42: like you know, it's all kind of a distraction.
Speaker 3: Uh, in a way that's absolutely correct. In fact, we
Speaker 3: used to do old afternoon commutes with John Adams and
Speaker 3: Chris John that just called in a minute ago, where
Speaker 3: we talked about how a lot of this stuff getting
Speaker 3: out is actually to desensitize people to these degenerate things,
Speaker 3: and so that's a huge part of social engineering. I
Speaker 3: would say that there's probably a big, big element that's
Speaker 3: going on there. Inn El Kasmin two pounds. What is
Speaker 3: your opinion about the Dutch? Are you talking about the
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Speaker 17: Be aware that it will be a few weeks out now.
Speaker 17: I'm having to rewrite some stuff on part three, but
Speaker 17: you will get your copies.
Speaker 3: Don't worry. I will be speaking at the Ludlow Conference.
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Speaker 3: to come to that. I feel like I'm forgetting something
Speaker 3: else that I was supposed to talk about. Oh, we'll
Speaker 3: be back tonight with George on the history of the
Speaker 3: forgeries and his new book Errors of the Latins. So
Speaker 3: come back for that tonight at nine pm. Thank you
Speaker 3: guys for calling in a lot of fun today, A
Speaker 3: little bit of a different stream. I wanted to kind
Speaker 3: of mix it up, see what we got if we
Speaker 3: mixed in calls on any topic versus just the theology topic.
Speaker 3: So we'll see how that goes. If you wouldn't like
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