Speaker 1: And the idea is that the only worldview which can
give a robust or coherent account of them is the
orthodox Christian worldview.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way I steered the argument.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to say, like, unfavorable also
to the idea that.
Speaker 2: One has to compare world views.
Speaker 1: So I think these people who sort of call on
and they go like, oh, prove to me that you're
better than all other world views in one argument, they're
kind of being silly. So unfavorable to that. Okay, But
my question is sort of a bit more fundamental. I
guess what is one? Why is one supposed to be
committed to explaining these facts? So take for example knowledge,
So let's take the true classical analysis of knowledge.
Speaker 2: True justified believer.
Speaker 1: Right, So what say it's the case that we do
a worldview comparison.
Speaker 2: And you sort of managed.
Speaker 1: To give me reasons to believe that I can't have
justification in all above terms. Why wouldn't my move at
that point be to just lower the threshold or what
I consider to be a justification, Like why isn't the
move then to just be to lower the conditions for
the supposed fact rather than to accept a world view
which in alignment with the strong.
Speaker 3: Facts, well, I think it would just really weaken the
argument as a whole. And so, in other words, in
a debate setting, if you lower the threshold of what
council's justification for your position or your worldview, then I
can do the same thing, and then we're at just
an impasse. We're basically just surrendering what it means to debate.
Speaker 5: No, so I don't thinker Perps, I wasn't speaking fully
accurately that what I'm trying to ask is that we
have this fact.
Speaker 1: It can be sort of appearances of knowledge or morality,
or the self or identity or causality or.
Speaker 2: Something across time.
Speaker 1: Now, in philosophical views, you can have strong and weak
versions of these views. Right, it seems that the transcendental
arguments category treats or having to explain the strong existence
of these viewes. But what is the reason to believe
that we are in the business and needing to explain
the strong existence of these things rather than the weak existence.
Speaker 2: Of these things.
Speaker 3: Again, because the comparison in the setting is in the
context of a debate. So in a debate, the argumentation
and the laws of logic are not typically seen as
things that are in some way weakly justified. They're assumed
to be some kind of objective measures and means by
which you could adjudicate the true in the false. So
if we just start weakening the positions to where none
of that is required again, and I would just repeat
my same point, like, well, then don't I do the
same thing, father deacon? What do you think of this? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean it kind of first order knowledge, Like I
think we're all fine having the weak version rather than
a strong kind of Cartesian.
Speaker 2: You know, our justifications and reasons.
Speaker 6: Have to be indubitable and stuff like that at the
first order, none of us, I personally don't think, because
then nothing would count as knowledge. But it's a separate
question about overcoming global skepticism and providing the justification for
knowledge and morality itself. That's a different category.
Speaker 2: So you could be open to.
Speaker 7: Like, well, yeah, like we can establish that knowledge exists,
and how I'm finding a first order like having a
weak version, right, but arguing for a second.
Speaker 3: Order, And that's a great point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in general is a different sort of thing it requires,
So we.
Speaker 2: Can't just in that sense. Well, I'll I'll just weaken it.
Speaker 8: So that.
Speaker 6: Anything can work. I mean, how helpful is that going
to be? Because what's like, well, then could any paradigm
work for because we really want to.
Speaker 2: Know is orthodoxy true?
Speaker 6: People always miss that, is that they get caught up
in the kind of the weeds and the details.
Speaker 2: But it's like, well, don't you want to know if.
Speaker 6: Orthodoxy is true, if that's what actually grounds knowledge or not?
Speaker 2: And so if we just.
Speaker 6: Weaken at the level that level of justification, of overcoming
global skepticism and providing justification as a second order, then
anything just works. It becomes kind of arbitrary. It's like, well,
I guess any paradigm could work, and that that's certainly,
as Jay is saying in terms of debate of world views,
is not going to get us anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if if you can lower the threshold
and opponent can do the same thing, and we're basically
just not getting anywhere, there's no not really any point
in doing the debate. I mean, you know, like probably
you can say like at that point, what then I
guess any conceivable worldview could then grant or meet some
standard or justification. Be bop, what's up?
Speaker 2: I mute, Hey, what's up now?
Speaker 3: What's on your mind? You can hear them?
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 10: So I've been questioning lately the validity of Genesis and
how it relates kind of to like, uh, secular science
has been like painting out as like you know, the
layers of Earth, thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Of sediment, et cetera.
Speaker 11: And I was just wondering if you took genesis literally
or you know, in part figuratively or what.
Speaker 3: Uh No I favor a young creation and uh early
date all that, Like, uh, I think so called secular
science is even more ridiculous than whatever you think is
ridiculous about Genesis.
Speaker 10: I think morally, secular scientism is kind of retarded. It
kind of points out to like an ideal situation where
everyone just kills themselves because there's not really any morals
to be had, especially whenever if nothing is actually meaningful
in an existence where it's just.
Speaker 3: Kind of like yeah, but I mean beyond the ethics,
which I agree with you, but like, I mean, if
you wanted to go the route of secular science, like
it can't tell you anything about all the principles that
it uses to come to its quote scientific conclusion. So
all the things that science uses which are out of
the domain of science, like induction, walls of logic, you know,
all those things. None of those things are actually the
priview of science or the regularity of nature over time.
I mean, all science relies on those things, and yet
none of those things can be proven by science.
Speaker 2: Let me add too.
Speaker 6: You know, aersol has this principle that when I'm playing
something that might be obscure or not clear, you go
to what's more clear, not more obscure. So it always
kind of baffles me when we have these kinds of
questions that people.
Speaker 2: Go, well, let's go to science.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, that's the most obscure, epistemically shaky kind
of disciplines that you could actually go.
Speaker 2: Why would you go there to think?
Speaker 10: I think the majority, like the consensus for you know, schools, for.
Speaker 3: What the majority consensus of what you cut out. Dude,
we can't hear you. Maybe if you call back, I'll.
Speaker 2: Bring it back. Logos epistemically shaky too.
Speaker 6: Whatever the current theory is is going to change, So
you're grounding and making arguments from thrown out Like it's
like the same people that like go to higher textual criticisms. Well,
the consensus among you know, secular philosophy of religion people
is that it's like, wait, a couple of years and
it's going to be something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wanted to hear where it was going, but
he cut out, oh what's up name? Hey?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask about.
Speaker 3: The stots, what you're coming in? Hello, ask about what
we're just repeat.
Speaker 2: It about the menopha sites.
Speaker 13: So I'm seeing this kind of tendency towards the cumunism
with the Monophosites, even though like the Christological position is
completely illogical.
Speaker 14: Absolute, but also like I was speaking to my priests
at some point, and I remember you were talking about
different earlier liturgy is with the Protestant and I think
you mentioned lit said.
Speaker 3: Mark, mm hmm. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 15: If this is true, but my priest said about the
list of Saint Mark that it's not.
Speaker 16: Actually something that can be traced back to Saint Mark,
that only the Monophasites, I think, attributed it to Saint
Mark from their own sort of monoposite tradition or something
that it was compiled that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe, I don't know. I've always heard that
it is an ancient liturgy. But I like, what you
could have a situation where there is an ancient liturgy,
maybe they tweaked it in later centuries. I mean, but
we do have, for example, the tradition that Mark did
found the church in Alexandria, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the kind of narrative I quote for my
priest was like, so you.
Speaker 16: Have the list of Saint James, which eventually became the
basis for of the y Mischief of St.
Speaker 2: But that apparently what the leason you have Saint Mark
was was a bunch of combinations.
Speaker 16: Of different liturgical traditions and they just slapped Saint Mark's
name on it.
Speaker 4: Apparently.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean I'm not a liturgical scholar, but
I don't think that if if they did say repent
of their errors, I mean, I don't think they would
have to adopt some different liturgy. This just to me,
this just seems like a minutia. Okay, I mean, I
don't know, you know, so like even even the Orthodox
Wiki dates it to the fourth century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what you could have had is something that.
Speaker 6: That Saint Mark gave some kind of nation kind of
version of uh, a liturgy of which and because we
know that again liturgies have developed and things were added,
and you get the the hull a nation of that,
you know, and I should say, the completion of it
by the fourth century. It's fine to call the Liturgy
of Saint Mark. It doesn't mean like in its completed form,
that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the version that we have, I'm sure
of Saint John Chrystostom is not identical to what he did.
I don't know, but I'm just assuming.
Speaker 2: And also regarding the both sides.
Speaker 3: Like by the way, it looks as if the Orthodox
patriarch has done the Liturgy of Saint Mark, which I don't.
I mean, if this is some heterodox liturgy, I don't
think they would do it. I mean I could be wrong.
Maybe they're just doing it for you know, ecumenius reasons
or something. I don't know, but hello, are you there?
We seem to be losing everybody today. I mean, it
looks like they have done the Orthodox Church has done
the Liturgy of Saint Mark. Maybe you won't argue that's
that they shouldn't. I don't know. I didn't even think.
I didn't didn't even think this was some sort of
controversial issue. But whatever matter of the churgical scholar John
John Smith? What's up, John Smith? You want to um
you Michigan became a member for two months. Keep up
the great word, Jay. I'm proud of your success. Been
supporting you in any way I can since twenty twenty. Yes,
thank you, Michigan. I recall all of your beloved faithful
super chests over the years. I don't understand why you
got hello, Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 11: So I've got two questions, Okay. My first is, so
I came up with this Protestant argument. I don't know
if I read in a YouTube comment or if I
dreamed it, but I was wondering what you thought about it.
So it's against abos dawks succession is the would be
the The point is that Saint Paul seems to be,
if not equal to Saint Peter.
Speaker 2: He's he's a leader of.
Speaker 3: The apostles, right and Paul or Peter.
Speaker 11: Saint Paul is a I mean even in our liturgy, right,
Saint Peter and Saint Paul are the leaders.
Speaker 3: Uh huh?
Speaker 11: And I mean like acts is kind of divided up
between Saint Peter and then Saint Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Peter Peter's apostle to the Jews and Paul
to the Gentiles. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So the argument is that the is it Ax one
or Acts two where they choose Matthias one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Uh, it seems like the Apostolics secession doesn't really take
because we don't hear from Matthias at all. I mean,
I think there's there's some extra biblical tradition about like
what happens.
Speaker 3: To him, But that's an argument from silence.
Speaker 17: How does that prove that appstoc succession doesn't follow because
we don't quote hear from him?
Speaker 18: Again, Well, it's because Saint Paul doesn't really have the
Apostolic succession. It's like he was directly called by God,
So I guess that would be succession.
Speaker 3: So what do you mean? Wait, say what? Jesus is
the one that appoints them right to be an apostle.
The word means to be one that is sent. So
Paul's becoming an apostle is one who is sent directly
from Jesus.
Speaker 11: So he is an apostle, but he wasn't one of
the twelve and he wasn't so appointed.
Speaker 2: Well, Jesus was alive.
Speaker 3: Jesus is alive. So yeah, he was appointed.
Speaker 2: And furthermore too, uh uh.
Speaker 6: Blessed Saint Theophlock has a really good commentary on.
Speaker 2: This is that you also see.
Speaker 6: In at him being received considerably in terms of modality
by the other apostles as well, because there was a controversy.
You can imagine that like, well, how could he be
an apostle?
Speaker 2: You know, the murder of Christians and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: So his testimony of receiving and being apostolos from Christ
himself is received by the apostles, and you see this
play out in the Council of Jerusalem in Acts as well.
Speaker 2: So that's apostols like he's an apostle.
Speaker 6: The apostles themselves confirm the veracity of his testimony being
called by Christ himself, and so that's all you need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that people are coming up with these
arbitrary things like no, no, to be an apostle means
that you have to have been in the presence of
Christ when he was alive. Dummies, Jesus is alive. Paul
is not having a vision of a dead Jesus. It's
the resurrected Jesus. What are you. What are you talking about?
This man? This stuff. I'm not trying to be mean,
but this is just silly.
Speaker 6: Actually, who is also he was one of the twelve,
but he was of the seventy actually or.
Speaker 2: Danes of the apostle Paul and receives him.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, look up Antonius in the book backs.
Speaker 3: What's up man, Jason? All right, he can't connect Tallahassee.
You wanna try again? Yeah, Paul didn't change anything. I
don't know. It's just nonsense Islamic bullshit.
Speaker 19: What's up man, Timothy?
Speaker 3: Hello, yep, hey, uh.
Speaker 2: I've called a couple of times.
Speaker 15: I want to point out some father Deacon said earlier.
Speaker 20: Is it that all the Catholic professors he's around give
different arguments?
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 16: I thought they all did the cash me outside policy
when they started doing debates.
Speaker 2: At last debate I saw with the.
Speaker 16: Catholic professor, he told you to cash him outside.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give you a bunch of money.
Speaker 3: He's talking about at his Uh yeah, he's at a
Catholic college, So that's true. Jetters, what's up? Jeters? Jeters? Creepers.
These gender cheos have calmed me down from the bad arguments.
Jeter's unmute, limp bricks, lem Me pricks. What's that name?
Lem me pricks? U mute? Yeah, maybe something wrong with uh?
Maybe Twitter is not doing well today. That dog, I'm mute.
That dog, I'm mute. DGC rarities, that dog un mute.
It's weird. Auntie, straight white male fied dollars. Jay get
an anxiety pin like a real man. I don't have
anxiety problems. I don't know what you're talking about. I
just can go from zero to seventy five in anger
points if my blood sugar is low. What's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: His internet broke today. I don't know what's going on.
Nobody can connect, nobody knows how to do a mic. Jeters,
you want to try again? I'm your Hey, Oh you're
right man.
Speaker 2: I just have a couple of questions.
Speaker 21: I'm pretty new to ORPHODOXI and I was wondering, So
I have an atheist family. I was wondering how I
would go about trying to get them on the right side.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you're going to ever convince
your family members with argumentation unless they ask you, So
I would just try to be super loving and nice
and then and then eventually they'll ask you questions and
then answer them. But do not try to argue with
your family slinger. What's up? Never works?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 22: Can you hear me? M?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had a question. What is your guys views?
Speaker 23: Because I know the Greeks and Russians have different views,
and I know it's kind of uh, just depends.
Speaker 2: On the church.
Speaker 23: What is your guys' view on like rebaptizing someone.
Speaker 17: Uh, it's up to the bishop and the canons of
the Church that are interpreted by the bishop.
Speaker 23: Okay, because I know rebaptist.
Speaker 3: It's not a rebaptism, Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's just a
baptism where there's not.
Speaker 23: Okay, because I know in the canons there was when
I was reading.
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know if it.
Speaker 23: Was the second or the third Council, there was like
against people getting baptized again.
Speaker 3: But I guess you guys, it's a case by case basis.
The count the Canons of the sixth Council give other
cases where people do have to be baptized because the
other baptism was not a baptism was not recognized. Okay,
I'll go read for example, the sixth Council says that
if it was a Unomian baptism, it doesn't it doesn't count. Okay,
all right, I'll so it's a case by case basis, John,
what's up. I'm just, man, I'm not trying to be mean.
I'm just so sick of that question, Dude. It's like
that in ps A.
Speaker 24: Man.
Speaker 3: If I have to answer and explain PSA in that
question one more time, I just I'm I'm gonna flip
the table, like Sam Hot, I'm just kidding. What's up?
Speaker 2: Man Ullo?
Speaker 25: Yeah, So I had a question about uh men, and like,
is there any other like documentaries about governments muddying the
water that you would recommend?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of documentaries that cover intelligence
operations and stuff like that. Like there's the one about
William Colby that's good that FDA recommended to me. I
forget the name of it, but it's William Coldy's son.
I think made a documentary about his dad. There are
documentaries about history of espionage CIA operations. There's millions of those.
But the only other thing about aliens being a syop
that I would recommend that's really good is the Collins
Brothers book Invoking the Beyond. But I'm not aware of
any other specific documentaries about alien syops. But great question exempted,
no face kill two dollars. Isn't it funny that Jews, Liberals,
Muslims all hate Paul? There is a commonality there that
they have this weird just like a Paul what's up?
Straight white male says an anxiety Pin is a Dean
Withers reference. I don't know who Dean Withers is. Is
that a stand up Dean Withers? Oh? Is that this
insane liberal dude? Let's see this? Cody and Joe?
Speaker 14: Are you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? He is this kid?
Speaker 2: This like liberal kid on TikTok the operative of the
Democratic Party.
Speaker 26: Do I vape?
Speaker 19: No, it's a fucking anxiety pen. It's an anxiety pin.
Speaker 3: Joe? When will people get it right? Cody?
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen to me, man, I've I've had it up
to here with people coming on this stream.
Speaker 3: Is this trolling? He looks like he's about to laugh.
I can't tell this is fake or real.
Speaker 8: And telling me that I vaked, Cody, I.
Speaker 22: Need you to hear me when.
Speaker 26: I say this, I don't vape.
Speaker 8: And the fact that you would perceive me as a
person that would vape, that would smoke the nicotine. It honestly,
it makes me disheartened in the way that I'm presenting
myself to my community.
Speaker 3: This seems like he's trying to be funny. I can't
tell this or not.
Speaker 8: Because I guess what, It's not a fucking vape. It's
an anxiety.
Speaker 3: Pin.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry that I have anxiety, Okay, And honestly, yeah,
it's kind of the thought of people like you that
want to come up.
Speaker 26: And bully and burrabe me over something that I don't know. Okay,
so cut this shit. It's not a vape, all right,
It's an anxiety Pin. And God, God, the amount of
times that I've.
Speaker 8: Asked you to respect me and respect my anxiety, PIN
is at this point getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I can't tell if this is this serious or not.
I literally do not know they're paying They're saying it's
gay rage. I could see it could be in either one.
I've literally never seen this good. I think Andrew debated him,
but I've never seen him. I don't know anything about why.
Speaker 17: By the way, why is anybody listening to fifteen year
olds like this? Dude looks like he's fifteen.
Speaker 3: No fifteen year old has any information or knowledge about
the world that you should ever listen to at all.
No fifteen year old can tell you or teach you anything.
This dude literally looks like he's mat me thirteen. What
kind of freaking thirteen year old tell you about the world?
Nothing that he probably has a million subscribers too. I
think this is what's going on. The whole world is
becoming infantilized. And everybody quit reading books and they listened
to thirteen year olds on TikTok and now everybody's done.
That's what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I did a whole stream on that.
Speaker 6: There was, you know, an actual push a personal and
infantilization of society. Yes, playing with toys and I mean.
Speaker 3: Yes, funko pops this kid whatever. This is this democratic science? Yeah,
this is like the democrat. I think you're right. This
is like, let's take a young thirteen year old white
boy and how can we speak to young white males
to make them into faking gay democrats?
Speaker 8: Cody Ya, So please justified for the final and uh,
for the billionth time, will you please just respect the
fact that it's none of it in medicine anxiety open.
Speaker 2: Get it right, thirteen year old, fifteen year old?
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, exactly, and.
Speaker 6: It's the whole I mean, you see this as a
total sy op.
Speaker 2: To in Hollywood what the kids know best.
Speaker 18: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great point. Yes, in movies, the kids
always know what's up, and the parents are like them.
Speaker 2: The parents are dumb.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna have Lord of the Flies with the children.
Speaker 2: Exactly because they they're the ones that know. You see.
Speaker 3: Speaking of one of the best all time Jamie Kennedy
skits is Child Island, and uh, this is exactly what
we are. This one is so great if you've never
seen this one, this is one of my favorite all
time skits where Jamie predence to be a Hollywood producer
that's going to produce the reality show kind of like Survivor,
but it's with kids and it's called Child Island, and uh,
each tries to sell it to these parents as this
like greasy Hollywood producer. The funniest part of the whole
thing is the promo of the kids on the island
that he's showing to the parents in real time. I'm
not going to play the whole clip, because you guys
should watch it. But it's literally it's one of his best.
This one is this.
Speaker 2: Probably starts in the eighties too. You know even these
are a great show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly withies exactly, Yes.
Speaker 6: Like the kids the parents are dumb, Yes, and kids
is the detector.
Speaker 2: Maybe even starts.
Speaker 27: Children are on a remote island with just on their backs.
They must forage for food, for shelter, for their very lives.
Speaker 3: The best part of this whole skit, which, by the way,
the parents being willing to some of them are actually
willing to put their kids on this isl one. It's
kind of weird. But this is the funniest part right here,
and it's there's the Lord of the Flies joke throughout
this video.
Speaker 27: Welcome to the final chapter in reality television.
Speaker 2: Welcome to.
Speaker 4: Child.
Speaker 3: The funniest part is the hog. When they fast motion
the hog. That just gets me for some re.
Speaker 28: Yeah, and they have presently.
Speaker 4: What do I do?
Speaker 26: Let school on the park?
Speaker 27: Forget who they were, who they are?
Speaker 3: I miss I missed the hogs. The hog part, that's
the best part. Go watch this whole skin. I can't
play the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But by the way, this is literally my apartment complex.
We have a whole Lord of the Flies children's civilization
chairs where.
Speaker 6: They all around wild like really yeah, they don't seem
to have any parents. They don't go to school, and
they're all just out like building forts and fires and
running around spears. I mean, good thing they're not on
you know, the technology, but they're literally I make jokes about.
Speaker 3: Four of the Flies. Yeah, here's the hog snort. He
that fast motion hog man. That just gets me for
some reason. All right, what's up, dude. Welcome everybody from
the Crucible. We are watching Jamie Kennedy experiment clips some
of the best.
Speaker 17: Because I don't know how we got on child Island.
But somebody has a good joke here. They said, nowadays
child Island has a different meaning. I think he's telling
Aboutjeff Stin, mceffrey, no face killer, straight white, mall five dollars.
Speaker 3: The left calls this what's this kid's name, Dean Withers.
They call him there Joe Rogan, whoa dude, I can't
it's hard to believe some of the stuff is real.
Let's see who's next.
Speaker 2: That's how we got on it.
Speaker 6: Because we're talking about the.
Speaker 3: Sigh, Yeah, exactly, everybody being like a kid and looking
to this like thirteen year old child for wisdom and God.
Speaker 6: By the way I talked about that, they didn't rage
too because I remember the first when I was when
I was a child.
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, eighteen or whatever, went.
Speaker 6: To the first rave and I was like, this is crazy,
Like everybody's running around with pacifiers and like the girls
are holding dolls and they've got all.
Speaker 3: The interesting Yeah, why would everybody be acting like a
kid at a rave? That is weird?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it was, I mean, the girl what do
they call them candy girls or something like that, candy kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at they're.
Speaker 6: All wearing like kids, beads and pacifiers.
Speaker 2: In their mouth.
Speaker 6: And I knew even back Dan, and you know, I wasn't,
you know, completely aware of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, this has got to be a CI.
Speaker 3: So the culture of Eversis does not say that you
could I talk about promp booties. What's up?
Speaker 19: Zeesh?
Speaker 3: I'm you Ridge pounder five dollars? That sounds weird. Ridge
pounder five dollars. Thoughts on Borrow's Walden did don't even
make it through that book I was boring as hell.
I had that in a grad grad lit class and
I was like, I am not going to finish this book.
I don't like any of these trans and dentalists. They don't.
This is not my vibe.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: Men have become tools of their tools. Yeah, you know what,
maybe I should revisit it. Maybe I would like it now.
Rachel Wilson What's up? Became a member.
Speaker 17: She gives gifts ten memberships. Props to Rachel for that
much appreciated shout out to the Crucible and all the
people over there.
Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. Everybody to the limit, everybody to the limit.
Ze on, mute man, it's open debates.
Speaker 29: Everybody in the place to be what you're gonna do?
Speaker 17: Heyj oh we got a we got a legit British
raver in the house.
Speaker 3: What's up dog?
Speaker 30: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hey man? Yeah, No, I just wanted to say it
was good. I chimed in today to check the.
Speaker 29: Courtney Courtney thing that you did on the whole transhumanism
and everything.
Speaker 3: Was really the Dark Enlightenment bros. Yeah all that.
Speaker 29: So yeah, I just wanted to say, I build anti
nano technology, so based on all this kind of Internet
of everything, Internet of things, all that kind of stuff,
and yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, it
was good, what it.
Speaker 2: Was good, what she was covering. And I kind of
focus on like the low.
Speaker 29: Tech versus the big tech, or kind of like David
and Goliath.
Speaker 2: And listening to what you guys were saying.
Speaker 29: It's like, there's so much emphasis put on this AI
being so what it isn't And I kind of always
say it's based on compartmentalized stupidity, like compartmentalized science. And
I've gone right back to the nineteen hundreds to when
you know, when the medicine was medicine, the food was food.
Speaker 2: The technology was technology.
Speaker 29: It's really interesting because when you look at the literature
there's an electrotherapy museum in Florida, you can see that
they were based on truth. I think obviously there was
none of this new age garbage and all that kind
of stuff. So they incorporate the ether back then, which
I think is a missing thing.
Speaker 2: So the analog, which me and you have been around, you.
Speaker 29: Know, the hip hop, all that kind of stuff, the
original music. The analog technology, I think is one of
the things that disrupts this digital reality that people think,
you know, is what it is. But I think we've
I think we've won this battle anyway. I think it's
that during Corona, I realized that so many people were
focused on government, not God, and I kind of leaned
more towards God at that point theologian.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I.
Speaker 29: Just want to share that there's so much that we
can do, like with all the geo engineering, thet you know,
the interoperability, all that kind of stuff that you hear
about in the crypto to remain human. I think that's
what we're doing. How do I remain human? I sort
of to chime in. I thought it was a really
good podcast. I don't know her work, so it was
quite good to listen to, and I just wanted to
share that there's and also you mentioned you mentioned the
Bucky bulls. That was funny when you mentioned the buggy
bulls and you so just about because you said your stack,
you know, your chuck and all that stuff, which I
think I've got to try it.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of tricksters as well, with you.
Speaker 29: Know, people taking all this C sixty from.
Speaker 2: These goofy gurus.
Speaker 29: So it's really important, I think now more than ever
you talk about it quite a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, and I function brain.
Speaker 29: Cells to discern even in amongst all of our world,
there's a lot of tricksters trying to turn people into nanobots.
Speaker 2: Give give me your twenty three bit cool, you know.
Speaker 29: But yeah, so so I see a lot of people
from the C sixty the sea lights and the stupidity
is just crazy, and you see it with a lot
of the fake technology.
Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 29: But anyway, I want to chime in and say here
and you know, keeping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to our UK bros. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Ze.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of based and ritpilled out there.
Chase Haguard, excuse me, excuse me, trusse A Haguard.
Speaker 31: That's not my name, Please pronounce my name.
Speaker 3: I assumed it was some sort of pompous French thing.
I don't know, trust a guard.
Speaker 31: Yeah, no, it's not my name, and I don't appreciate it.
And I tried to come in here in good faith.
Speaker 3: But you can. You could clip me, and you can
clip me and expose me.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 31: Now, I just wanted to kind of piggyback on what
what the proire.
Speaker 2: Call say podcast that you forgot.
Speaker 31: Who's the guy you were talking about AI EPT and
all that.
Speaker 3: I've been cutting out the previous guy.
Speaker 2: No, it's chases merging with AI. That's what it's got.
Speaker 31: No, No, I should be I should be good now?
Speaker 2: Am I good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about that now.
Speaker 31: I was saying the prior caller was bringing up that
podcast interview you did with the guy I forgot, the
podcast owner. But you were talking about chat EPT and
Grock and AI and stuff, and the caller was talking
about trying people trying to stay human.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 31: That's gonna happen where I think people are gonna gravitate
more towards real human things that you've already seen. It
actually happen in music where some of the top pop
music right now as out of Time drums played over
drum machines. And I think there's an opportunity for people
to do what you're doing, people to make real art
because I think people are gonna crave after it, and
there could be an element of propert evidence in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people are gonna want real, real authenticity. They're gonna
want real human stuff. The the the Ai like fad,
I think for entertainment will kind of get old in
my view.
Speaker 31: Yeah, absolutely, and it's it's already happened. If you look
at when like pro tools and all, you know, digital
music and computers got powerful enough for studios to switch
from running everything on tape. Everything got what's called quantized,
where everything was smacked to the grid and then and
that happened throughout all the pop music and now some
of the top charting stuff like this, you know these
Sabrina Carpenter tunes. The guy who produces it, he's a
really good producer. He's putting things out of out of
time and out of tune on purpose, and the average
listener is not noticing it, and they're feeling that it's human,
even with this big pop stuff. So I think things
will switch another way, where again some people will just
gobble up a slop, but other people, you know, making
things that have character and are human and ute vibe
to them, those are gonna thrive in my opinion, and
it's already happening.
Speaker 2: We've seen it over the last five years and especially
this last year.
Speaker 31: You look at the biggest artists, whether you like it
or not, Sabrian and partner. There's all types of organic
you know production there that pushes things out of time
and all this, and I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting conversation being.
Speaker 6: Out you were you on the discord with my brother
with the sound engineers because he told me this topic
kit They did this a VC with the rest of
the producing sounds on this exact topic.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering because.
Speaker 31: I know I'm on that I'm on that server with
your brother and I hang out there a lot, but
I was not there for this conversation.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 31: That's funny because that server as some of the biggest
engineers in the world on it, and I haven't talked
to them about this at all.
Speaker 3: Well, I do have to point out that Chase is
intentionally subverting what I'm going to be doing in the future,
and he knows it. It's a very subtle way for
him to try to to try to destroy my DJ
career before I get started. He knows good and well
that I'm going to transition into being DJ dong Butter,
the hottest nineties raver DJ out there. He thinks he
can come in and get ahead of me and despoil
the entire EDM genre, which I will be taking over
very soon, and it's not gonna work. Chase, it's not
gonna work.
Speaker 27: I thought.
Speaker 31: I just want to point out that Jay said that
the EDM genre I'm going to despoil it.
Speaker 2: So you guys now know that Jay worships DM. EDM
is his god. He does believe in natural theology and
all the music actually leads to M. But I thought
you were going to be DJ filth pool Man.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that was my old name before before
my last ayahuasca trip, and the entities told me that
that was not the right name. So Chase, it's not
gonna work. Try again. But thank you for your comments.
We appreciate you. JR. What's up, dude? You can't stop
the DJ train as it's coming to the station. Dute, dude,
we're en route to tran Central.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I had to billy ten dollars I just joined your stream.
Did you cover the fact that the Greek Orthodox Arsidiocese
priest was going after Orthobros? This is so like, this
is so twenty sixteen seventeen, right, the Orthobro movement, this
is yeah, We're a giant political force. We're going to
take over Maga as the Orthobro movement. So, yes, it's
a very dangerous movement, the ortho Bros, which literally started
from FDA in a picture that he took making a joke. Yes,
it's a very dangerous political movement, so be very afraid.
Speaker 2: Never actual like leftists and subversis.
Speaker 3: And yeah, where's his videos going after all the leftism,
all the ecumenism. No, no, no, the danger is the Orthobros. Yeah,
what's up? Man? Jq ja kwan? What's up? I like
that ad? Hello? Is that the internet is broken today?
What is going on? Are there? Try again? Are you there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Barely? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: I like that ad that Chase just inserted.
Speaker 17: Oh here we go another one of these people from
the real music world that plays real instruments and real
gypsy jazz.
Speaker 3: Dude, Gypsies don't even exist. Okay. Gypsies are crisis actors
that were hired to play. They wear brown face. They're
not even a real thing. And now we got guys
who are.
Speaker 17: Professional gypsy jazz players that play real instruments. They're coming
to destroy my DJ career.
Speaker 3: That's why they're here. I want you guys to know
this gypsy jazz. What does that share? Is that share?
Speaker 24: Chase, Chase, Chase thinks that is Sabrina Carpenter Native ad
that he got paid for by whatever record company he's working.
Speaker 3: Doctor Luke, Doctor Luke.
Speaker 24: Yeah, no, I wanted to comment on stuff we've talked
about for years that father, uh Deacon and nice was
bringing up. There is all the John Hughes films are
designed to undermine parenting, every single one of them, from
his beginning An Animal House to his last film, Look
Who's talking.
Speaker 2: Home Alone?
Speaker 24: Every single every single one of them.
Speaker 2: The parents are dumb.
Speaker 24: Every adult is stupid in the film, uh Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 24: Uh, you know it's it's a dumb principle that gets
the you know, wolf pulled over his eyes for the
entire day.
Speaker 3: Baby dude, remember that move.
Speaker 2: Baby geniuses? Look who's talking?
Speaker 24: All all the all those films are all Johnny, I
mean John Hughes wrote, even the films that he didn't direct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. Now, this is a great point. This
is subversive totally, it.
Speaker 2: Really it really was.
Speaker 24: And most of the films like the time period that
we grew up in, which is good, you know, stuff
like goonies, even even in goonies or films like that,
the parents aren't even around. So it's like it's not
even that parents. Even in some of it, it's like
it's not even that the parents are dumb.
Speaker 2: It's just there is no parents at all.
Speaker 32: And we all know about children of the corn. The
children are now Malachi's now the religious leader, and I mean,
come on, village dude.
Speaker 3: The kids are actually alien entities. Thank you. By the way, John,
appreciate that the children are the alien entities come to
take over their little their little psychopaths. By the way,
Tipsy's tramps and thieves. That's the only thing I know
about gypsy jazz is that share a song. Kyle five dollars.
I want to see you Orthodox creators tackle little season theory.
That's all over YouTube. Yeah, Orthodox people don't get into
evangelical end times nonsense, so it's probably not gonna happen.
We're partial preterists. Many of us Kelly's silver five dollars.
Have you seen Zathura Zathura? They completely s X utilized
Kristen Stewart, uh No, I don't even know about that.
Never heard of that. Zura in a interesting well, she's
isn't she like genderly ambiguous nowadays? So that doesn't surprise me.
If a lot of these Hollywood people get groomed into
all kinds of weird stuff, and that's probably what has
messed them up. EA became a member. When is your
next open question? I mean it's right now. I want
to call in, but it's not on the topic. But
the topic is all topics, so how could it not
be on topic? Just just call in, dude? What are
you talking about? We're going back up. These guys just
want to destroy my DJ career. They know I want
to be the next hottest nineties rave DJ, and they're
already their front running me to destroy my career.
Speaker 19: Cost you.
Speaker 3: What's up? Good day, sir? What's on your mind? What's up?
Speaker 2: First off, back to the Harlan show. I wanted to
talk about that.
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to talk about. That's why
I brought it back up.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Oh yeah, I want to say, like you
you brought up Mark Marin.
Speaker 2: I have no idea who this Harlan guy is.
Speaker 33: But he seems very much like that boomer mentality that
you were talking about, and.
Speaker 2: He had annoyed He like saw some of Sam Hide.
Clips thought he knew how to handle him, and that's interesting.
Speaker 33: This is why Sam Hide went guerrilla mode because.
Speaker 2: This Harlan dude, he just thought Sam Hide was like
a nonsense content creator.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 33: He didn't realize the layers that Sam Hide puts in,
and that all the value in Sami's content is those
kind of satirical layers. Yeah, he thought he thought, let's
talk about oh, just saying funny thing about Brazilians, that's
what Sam Hide does.
Speaker 24: But he he just kissed Sam Hide by misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you heard the wine mom that
called in earlier to explain that I'm licking Sam Hides
but to get popular or whatever. She also had a
similar take like.
Speaker 17: Sam isn't funny and he just has to spurg out
because he doesn't know what to do and he doesn't
know what's fun I mean, it's like, what are you
talking about? This is not even close to reality.
Speaker 3: But I didn't even think about, like, what did Harlan
Williams know about Sam Hi. He probably thought it was
just some like random you know, TikTok guy or something
like who knows what's going on? And I think he's
more gen X, but maybe he's a gen X with
a boom er mindset. I don't know, but I would
have thought this would work well because Harlan Williams has
always been this sort of like whoa, he's so quirky
and he's so odd ball, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can see where it kind of
just got off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 2: It seemed like Sam I was actually upset.
Speaker 3: Well, I have heard some I've heard some conflicting reports
that know. Actually Sam was getting annoyed.
Speaker 2: So the other topic I joined a little late, but
you might have been talking about it. I mean, Epstein,
what is going on? Like?
Speaker 3: First off, I mean, it's a huge Trump fail. They're
they're covering it up and it's a huge Trump Phil
That's that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: I guess. But that seems a little too obvious, don't
you think?
Speaker 3: Well, no, why can't a lot of things are obvious?
Why was that too obvious? What do you mean? I mean?
I did. I did an hour long interview with the
guy who broke all this stuff originally, Nick Bryant, and
you know, okay, yeah, I mean I think that probably
even more so than like the PDF stuff, there's probably
like financial crime stuff that's being covered up, like in
other words, high level lobbyists, banking elitees that are compromised,
and the word has gone out. You know, you cannot
let this get out. And it obviously it relates to
the Israeli stuff too.
Speaker 2: And Alex had Ah, what's that judge.
Speaker 3: On Napolitanum No the black dudes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly what he said to that.
Speaker 6: You know, the way this works is, you know, you
have operatives and stuff like this, and there's compromising information
and it's actually quite complicated that they obviously don't that's.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why they're kind of bearing this.
Speaker 33: I that's if that's the case, and it is kind
of you know, as we're all expecting it to be.
Speaker 2: That's just the end of Trump. And I mean he's
just over right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't it's not going well. I don't
see anybody defending it except for like the you know,
Ben Shapiro sphere, like you know, fible Mouskowitz is the
only one that's defending it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tells me something.
Speaker 3: Nobody likes my fible Mouscuwitz joke. I thought that was
like a really funny, Like, does nobody know who's Nobody's seen?
My jokes just don't land anymore. I think I'm just
I'm speaking into the void of a bunch of people
that are dead and gone, and nobody knows these references.
I mean, nobody's seen five Mouskowitz, that's he's been Shapiro anyway.
I thought it was funny, Zachary, what's up? You're wrong
to say that Sam Hyde is super funny. In fact,
many people doubted that he could do stand up. He
even doubted himself. His standard routine is off the hook.
It's legit awesome. I'm not just saying that because I
write for the Sam Hide Show. He's his stand up
is really funny. What's up, man, Zachary, I you JT
thirty one two dollars. You guys are underestimating Harlan's layers. Interesting.
I'm really enjoying everybody's takes on this pot this wild podcast.
I mean, I'm not a Harlan hater. I don't dislike Harlan.
I don't think he is. That's what I'm saying is
like you've got when you go back in time into
the nineties and two thousand and you think about oddball comics.
You've got like a Steven Wright, You've got Harlan Williams,
You've got you know, Mitch Hedberg is kind of an
oddball style comedy guy. Tom Green is kind of an
odd ball troll comedy guy. Uh. And so I would
have thought that they vibe well together. I don't know,
what's up man, I'm but also.
Speaker 17: Too, I mean, you can also have a situation where
maybe they would have vibed under the right situations right right,
like maybe maybe somebody's having a bad day, you know,
maybe they.
Speaker 3: Were just tired. And I mean I've been on podcasts,
even big podcasts, where I'm like, all right, I'm ready
to get out of here, all right, you know, I
need to leave before I get mad, you know what
I mean. So this that does happen too. What's up, man?
Are you gonna i'mute or not? Zach? Oh my gosh ude,
what is going on with just the internet just broken today?
Somebody hacked the internet? What's up? Hunter? What's up?
Speaker 34: Can you hear me? Yes, sir, hey, since it's any topic,
I've got like two like semi goofy questions.
Speaker 17: To ask, Yes, please do please, don't ask me about
PSA and rebaptism. I'm gonna start saying any topic but that,
and then we're good.
Speaker 34: Well of My two questions are, do you think people
can like literally sell their souls to Satan for like
musical talent, and if so, listening to people like the
Beatles or Valling Stones led Zeppelin that credit their talent
to Satan.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that would happen if you literally could.
I think mostly it's an analogy to selling out to
the industry. Okay, I don't typically listen to led Zeppel
one of the Beatles anyway, just because I don't like
I liked it when I was a teenager, but I'm
not a teenager anymore. So I mean I would say
in the okay, I would say in the realm, like
in the in the domain of music, unless it's just
super degenerate and gross and satanic, I don't really think
that it's a big deal. That's my take on it.
Speaker 34: I guess my last question why I have you these
kind of famous kind of like kind of videos of
like celebrities like Cardi B and Katy Perry like having
quote unquote m kilt glitches. Do you think that's all
bullshit or do you think that's like.
Speaker 3: I know that in the case of this the Katie
Perry one, they did say a long time ago that
she does that pretty regularly in her in her shows
as kind of like viral marketing, spectacle marketing. So in
her case and some of those instances that is not
it was it was planned. I know that in the
case of like, you know, Michael Jackson, a lot of
the things they would do were actually marketing schemes as well,
like the hyperbaric chamber and all this kind of stuff
that would keep him in the news. So there is
a layer of that in terms of entertainment and pop
culture figures who do a lot of this stuff on purpose.
But then in a lot of cases, like in the
case of Sam and the Harlan show, like it's it's
unclear what to what degree this was a planned spectacle
or whether this was just really like they're not getting along.
So I think both things go on. But I do
think that in the case of many of the abused
pop stars, in the case of like Britney Spears, Amanda Bynds,
I would say they're having actual, like in culture.
Speaker 2: Breakdowns, Okay, Okay, thanks for your time, Jay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good questions.
Speaker 17: Even I was skeptical of that with Katie Perry, I mean,
not Katy Perry, Britney Spears until all the stuff about
her conservatorship.
Speaker 3: Came out and I was like, no, dang, they like
she really is like a mind controlled product. That's that's crazy. Uh,
Chase Haguard is back to destroy my DJ career.
Speaker 31: No, I think I've already done that handed well, hopefully
hopefully you can hear me now I'm connected to Wi Fi.
I wanted to ask after I had a comment about
what the prior caller was saying about the selling of
souls to the devil? Can I do a short bit
of self shilling for my upcoming first solo project release?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 35: Cool.
Speaker 31: I think it's interesting when you look at music because
it's similar to other things, like, you know, people will
talk about quote unquote, you know, cuss words and stuff
like saying S H I T is not inherently evil.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's pretty goofy to.
Speaker 31: Think that because someone's not orthodox, or because they're not
heterodoxy even that there can't be intrinsic value in the art.
Speaker 2: There's limited amount of building.
Speaker 31: Blocks that God created of this amazing thing called music
that we can all play with. And music inherently is
created for worship. And so I think there's arguments that
I can make and people can make that music has
to be worshiping something, and you know, so you can
say someone's intent was evil, but at the same time
you can you can still get universal experiences that are
universal to being a human from all types of secular artists.
You know, I John Mayer has some great songs. I'm
not talking about my Body as a Wonderland. I know
that's one of your favorite songs. Day John Mayer has
some word music.
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know he wrote that about me.
So but don't tell anybody that keep that on the download.
Speaker 31: Yeah, I'm just surprised how honest you're being today. It's crazy,
but uh, but it's it's interesting because I think that
you can look at led Zeppelin, the Beatles, whoever, if
you get things out of that art, well, it's a
universal language in this in a much deeper sense, is
it typically used that is designed to communicate these things
and lead to you know, quote unquote spiritual experiences in
a sense where not this music doesn't belong in the liturgy.
Speaker 2: Rock music doesn't belong in the liturgy.
Speaker 31: But you know, not being able to separate the art
from the artists is something I think we need to
be able to do, just like not being able to
separate the message from the messenger. And on that note,
a little bit of self shilling. If anybody likes indie
rock kind of stuff. I make music for solo projects.
Doing my first tune release on Monday. If you want
to subscribe to my YouTube, Chase Haggard Music. It's like
MGMT mixed with modest mouse.
Speaker 3: But I just, by the way, subscribe to your channel.
I just found it for the first time.
Speaker 2: I just blocked you, so that's perfect. You won't be
able to well, I was going to, but it's like
MGM anti semitic, anti cynical. To appreciate it, I want to.
Speaker 3: That's okay. We don't mind you showing gypsies. Chase is
a thief.
Speaker 17: Gypsies Chase seas That was my share, by the way,
because there's something a gypsy jazz.
Speaker 3: This is gypsy. Yes, it is gypsy jazz. Look at
mister sand Man.
Speaker 17: I don't really hear any metallicans I'll take Chase's word
for it.
Speaker 3: It's mister Sandman. I'm thinking inter sand Man. I thought
Chase was over here doing Metallica gypsy jazz. Mister Sandman, Oh,
mister Sandman, bring me. I thought he was doing inter Sandman. Dude,
I like to enter sand the gypsy jazz better, so
you pray. I don't even know the words of that
stupid essong. By the way, shout out to our buddies
Jamie Kennedy and Sam Tripolonius having a pretty popular podcast.
They're doing this well, we should tell you the exact opposite.
This one was popping off to forty thousand.
Speaker 17: That's popping off over here on I hate to break
it to you, Jamie Kennedy with Sam tripoli brand New
All this drama with the Sam High podcast with Harley
Williams is kind of.
Speaker 3: Kind of taking over the comedy sphere.
Speaker 17: But don't miss this gem. They had a great conversation
as well. Our buddies over here.
Speaker 3: And by the way, we will be back on Jamie
Kennedy's podcast in the near future. We were just talking
about that the other day. Debt and I get you
guys back dea ont you guys.
Speaker 30: Back and you're listening to them and not listening to me.
Speaker 3: That's how powerful the programming is.
Speaker 2: I've heard people say they broke dad.
Speaker 3: By the way. Awesome new set there, I like Jamie sett.
Everybody's upping their their set, begging at upgrade. Where are
we at?
Speaker 17: Intersand man thieves, gypsies.
Speaker 3: Chases a thief? Did you guys like the member episode?
I thought it was pretty good mouse shit and we.
Speaker 17: Got some fire coming to by the way, we got well,
maybe I should keep it secret as to what episodes
they're about to roll out. Oh look at that right there,
just so you know. People pretending to look they like
they're involved in this. People pretending like they have a
stake in this. People are pretending like they know and
have a stake in it. All right, let's see what
we got over here on the super chats. Catch up
on that real quick, gen Z three dollars.
Speaker 3: The thing about the younger generation humor that older generations
don't get, whether you're trying to do common or not,
is that we are laughing at you. Modern comedians are
conforming to that reality. That's a good way to put it. Yeah,
that's a good insight there. I like that gen Z.
That's another angle to this, which you know, Andy Kaufman
was this way in the eighties and and even to
a degree I forget when he died, maybe late eighties,
but he was always making fun of everybody in the audience,
was the butt of the joke. So he was kind
of like the first trolley comic, right, And Boomers liked
Andy Kaufman. So I'm wondering, like, what how come boomers
liked Andy Kaufman and that weird stuff. But when people
do that same type of stuff, it's just like they
don't get it.
Speaker 17: It's like what, I don't, I don't what does that mean?
That's the word. And I'm guessing it's because in the boomer.
Speaker 3: Mindset, you can't make fun of the boomer himself. You know,
Andy Kaufman could troll the audience and it's funny. But
when it's the butt of the joke is the boomer himself,
or when it's like a critique of the dumb shit
that everybody believes in society, maybe that is where it
just doesn't work. I don't know. This is a mystery
to me. I don't understand why. It's just it's bizarre.
It's really crazy boomers like Jonathan Winters. Yeah, I mean yeah,
but boomers like Andy Kaufman, and he was trolling everybody.
I don't know. It's it's a fascinating question. I don't
know what's going on. Let's see. Yeah, Okay, we're caught
up on those super chats. Let's see who's next, John, Yeah,
what's up? John?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 8: Jay?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 36: Man, I've got a question about the Bible. I hate
to switch gears, uh, get too serious on this, but
I've got a question. I've been looking into Orthodoxy and
everything that I've seen so far, it's almost feels like
I've been looking for this like my whole life, and
but I just I don't know, I've just discovered it,
so I have a few questions still. My question is
it seems like the I don't have to references in
front of me, but if you look at like the
view of the resurrection of the dead, the Orthodox seemed
to take like a a literal kind of view of
the physical, like like your physical body is resurrected.
Speaker 3: That's that's all. That's all. Christianity's classical, I mean Catholic, Orthodox, Protestants,
all believe in the bodily resurrection.
Speaker 36: So also the view of like the new heavens and
the new Earth that seems to be like a more
literal kind of a view, like it's it's physical.
Speaker 3: I don't have the words for this, but yeah, we
would say it's Protestant to or it's Gnostic to think
of this in some you know, non physical literal way. Right.
Speaker 36: So I've always kind of read the Bible very simply
just kind of I wouldn't say literal, but I've kind
I kind of just when I read the Old Testament
just assume a plain sense kind of meaning. I know,
I'm perfectly fine with a lot of typology, but I
just don't see a whole lot of that as informing
like the hope in the Old Testament it's coming from
like the you know, the the fall being I guess reversed,
and in the New Testament it seems to kind.
Speaker 2: Of carry over. So here's my question.
Speaker 3: What Okay, I'm not going to be a dick. I'm
just I'm not understanding what hope is lost or not
carry what's well.
Speaker 36: No, I'm just saying, like the I guess, so my
question is like ascheological, I guess. So the hope of
the Old Testament seems to be in this resurrection and
the new heavens and the new Earth. But it seems
like in a lot of these passages that explain it,
you've got kind of a very plain sense, uh description
of Jerusalem being like like in Ezekiel forty three, you know,
or it's like in the New the New there's like
a temple and you have God saying this is the
place of the souls of my feet.
Speaker 2: Not that I think that God has like literal feet.
Speaker 36: But it seems like a lot of places like you
have this idea of Jerusalem being kind of the at
the center, I guess, or like the place where God is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that they're they're talking about the first Advent
of the Messiah. So the restoration of the Tabernacle of David,
God sending out the law from Mount Zion is ultimately
fulfilled in the first appearance of Christ. So that's the
last days. The the asketon is now rather than pointing
in putting it off to you know, the end of
the world. The escaton began at the First Advent, and
the why the New Testament is so emphatic that the
promises of the Old Testament are realities right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, so but when.
Speaker 36: Obviously there's more to come, like when Jesus returns, So
what role does Like it just seems like there's so
many passages where it just seems like if there's a
if there's a if you have a restored body and
there's a new heavens and a new earth, that assume
it's not a spiritual it's not totally. I know that
language is used like in onse Grinthians fifteen, like of
you know, the spiritual man, but you know it does
it doesn't mean that it's one or the other, right,
it's like the way that God intended his creation to
be in the beginning, where it's you know, there's I
guess it's a glorified creation. Forgive me for my lack
of understanding of this language, but it just make sense
to me that, you know, Jerusalem would be a.
Speaker 2: Literal place as well.
Speaker 36: Like where what is the disconnect there? Because it seems
like that's where I can with a lot of Orthodox
theologians that I've read, is that you get you get
like an understanding of the resurrected body, a literal new heavens,
in the New Earth. But it's like the idea of
Jerusalem being a literal place where you know, Jesus will So, okay, I.
Speaker 3: See what you're saying. So the how we know what
is quote figurative versus what is literal is going to
be conditioned by the Bible itself and the coherence of
the Old New Testament together. So for example, how do
I know in what sense, for example, the word the
word Jerusalem is to be taken in the New Testament
and the and the escaton sense. Well, thankfully, there's many
places in the New Testament where that's actually discussed. So
for example, in Galatians, for when Paul talks about the
allegory of the New Jerusalem, he describes that as the
Jerusalem that is from above, which is our heavenly Mother,
which is the Church. So the true Jerusalem is the Church,
which Paul explains here in Galatians for rejoice, so baron.
So no, he's you know, signing the Old Testament, you
do not bear, break forth and shout or not in labor.
You have had many children. And so he talks about Isaac,
and he talks about Ishmael, and he says that the
real Jerusalem is the one that is above the heavenly Jerusalem,
which is the Mother of us all. And this promise
to Abraham is fulfilled in the heavenly Jerusalem, which is
mother Church. So do you understand that, like the questions
that you're asking, I'm not saying they're bad questions, but
they're answered in the New Testament itself. So could there
be an actual Holy Land in the Escuton, Yeah, sure,
Jesus could recreate the heaven and the earth and keep
elements of you know, what existed before. I mean, in
the New Testament era. The church calls it the Holy Land.
There's an Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: So it's not like it goes away because we're in
the New Testament necessarily, right.
Speaker 36: Okay, Well yeah, because it seems kind of it's just
hard to think about like there being you know, like
in the resurrection, like being in a certain place. But
it seems pretty clear that you have a resurrected body,
which would require it doesn't seem to be there, doesn't
seem to be a contradiction with place.
Speaker 3: So no, No, the Orthodox view is that there is
a new heavens and a new Earth, and it is
a physical place with physical locations. And so when Jesus
resurrected and he's walking around the end the Gospel John
eating fish, that's showing you the model of the body
in the Escaton. Ah, So it is spatial still, yes.
Speaker 36: Okay, So I like your answer though it's kind of
It doesn't have to be one way or another. It's
just you know, there may be a physical place I
guess that call Jerusalem, but it's not. That's not what
the passages in the Old Testament point towards.
Speaker 3: Well, Like if you look at Isaiah sixty five, it says, behold,
I create a new heavens and a new earth. The
former will not be remembered, it will not come to mind.
Be glad and rejoice. I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing
I rejoice in Jerusalem, my people, and there will no
longer be weeping or crying. This is all referenced, of course,
in the apocalypse of the Church and of the escaton.
So this is a present reality where you know, God
is basically saying that my people are my elect they're
my offering, they're my descendants. It's talking about the Church.
It's not talking about primarily you know, something going on
over in the Middle East in the place.
Speaker 36: Okay, that makes sense, yes, because I mean that's like
one of the passages that you see and you know
it's it's I think it's described as the New Jerusalem
in the Book of Revelation, but always thought that it's
not going to be buildings coming down from Heaven.
Speaker 3: No, it's the people are we are the new Jerusalem exactly.
That's why that's why Paul calls the New Jerusalem the
Church right there? Wired, what's up?
Speaker 24: Man?
Speaker 3: Good question, though, Wired, what's up?
Speaker 2: I'm you Hello? Can you hear me?
Speaker 37: You Zach or.
Speaker 25: Hello?
Speaker 35: Jay?
Speaker 12: I'm an agnologic and I'm looking into different religions and philosophies.
I'm leaning to ours Christianity, but I'm calling in to
ask about your thoughts on the CTM you by Chris Langan.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with him and his theory?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, I think it's kind of similar to TAG
in certain ways, at least in the methodological approach. It's
similar in that it's more of an abstracted, logical type
of argument. But Chris Langon is a very committed classical foundationalist,
so he believes in very sort of self evident maxims
as a starting point, and the type of deity that
he argues for is just kind of like a platonic
mega mind. So I would have you know some critiques
of those positions. Basically, Matt, what's up, Matt Hedges? Oh,
what's up? Matt?
Speaker 2: Oh? Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: Jake, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I've heard a common accusation.
Speaker 22: I've heard in Eastern Orthodox circles that the Reform tradition
has a history and tendency.
Speaker 2: In its christology when it comes to the communication of properties. Correct,
do you believe that accusation? And how would you flush
that out?
Speaker 3: Yeah? For example, or Herman Ritterboss talks about Jesus as
a human person.
Speaker 22: Yes, So for one thing, I don't think that Reformed
like Orthodoxy, is defined by necessarily MacArthur's sproll or someone
like river Bus.
Speaker 2: I think it's more like sixteenth and seventeenth century reforms.
Speaker 3: Colossal who like, why is that where we go? By
the way their nerve? No Storian two Turretan. Doesn't Turretin
think that Jesus sheds his human nature in the Escaton?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 38: No, not that I know, Okay, But regardless Turretin is
more of a polemicist than a systematician, but with regards
to the Westminster Divines in particular, I mean I've read
some of like.
Speaker 3: The did Jesus take the Father's wrath? I'm sorry, did
Jesus take the Father's wrath?
Speaker 22: So I think there's a difference between like being punished
properly in the sense of like the imputation of guilt
versus like receiving punishment.
Speaker 3: I think did the Father damn the son? I mean
many of the first generation second generation reformers.
Speaker 22: Say that, Yeah, I think it's a I think that's
a misinterpretation of Calvin.
Speaker 2: More of the accusation. I just don't think it's.
Speaker 3: What's the right interpretation? Yeah?
Speaker 22: So, I mean, if you're referring to like those texts
in which it talks about Christ.
Speaker 3: I don't really care about Calvin, Like, what do you
think is the right position? What's your position? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I think Christ like received the punishment that was
due to.
Speaker 3: Sin, which is which is what? Which is what? Which
is what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bearing the wrath of God on the cross.
Speaker 3: That's not okay.
Speaker 17: So I asked you specifically and it took you like
five minutes to get to this point.
Speaker 3: So Jesus bears the wrath? What is the wrath? What
is the wrath of the father?
Speaker 2: To be fair, I called him askeding about the community.
Speaker 3: What is the wrath of the father? Come on, dude,
what's the wrath of the father? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it on the cross, Christ experienced the same genus of.
Speaker 3: Punishment, genus of punishment. And is that damnation or not?
Speaker 22: It is not not the same as the damn in Hill. No,
it's it is making satisfaction, okay.
Speaker 3: And what was the penalty that was due that he took?
Did the Father forsake him?
Speaker 2: I mean not in the way that like you might
hear some.
Speaker 3: People like, Okay, then in what way? In what way?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 22: So I mean Christ experienced like some of like the
distress and anguish.
Speaker 3: Some of it. Okay. So did the father turn his
back on him?
Speaker 2: Did he forsake him? Is there a verse? If my
thinking of the verse in Isaiah Crow.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you, dude, you tell me your position. Stop
asking me questions. Did the father forsake the son the
way that the psalms are interpreted in your view? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I don't think that God the Father damned the son.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what does it mean? You said, it's some
of the elements of rejection. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the imputation of sin to Christ like Christ?
Speaker 3: And what does that mean? What? What is this? What
is the punishment?
Speaker 22: Yeah, the punishment is making is bearing like the indignation
of God against sin in the qualitative sense, but not
the quantitative.
Speaker 3: Okay. So did he take the penalty? Okay? So you're
saying a bunch of sophistry. So did he damn the
sun or not? No? I just told you that, right,
So he didn't, But he took the wrath. What's the wrath?
That's not damning?
Speaker 2: The wrath that's not Yeah, damnation properly is eternal.
Speaker 3: Okay. Did he take the equivalence of that.
Speaker 2: Qualitative equivalents not a quantitative one.
Speaker 3: That's why?
Speaker 28: Damn?
Speaker 2: This is not hard.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not hard. Right, I don't understand it. Right,
So we didn't say.
Speaker 22: You don't understand that. I'm saying that a lot of
the fathers use a slanguage too.
Speaker 3: No they don't, No, they don't. Where do the fathers
use this like?
Speaker 2: Okay, did Christ take the penalty of our sin upon.
Speaker 3: I don't have the same idea what the penalty is
as you. I believe what John Damascus says in book three.
But I'm asking you, since you believe that damnation is
the penalty, how is it the penalty that he took?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't. I did not say that Christ was damned.
I explicitly deny.
Speaker 28: I know that.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, if the penalty is damnation, then how
did he take the penalty for us?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, can you say that again?
Speaker 3: If the penalty is damnation, then how did he take
that penalty for us if he wasn't.
Speaker 22: Damned, because he can suffer the same genus of punishment
without its quality.
Speaker 3: What does that? What does that even mean? What does
genus and species have to do with this?
Speaker 2: Genus and species? Like basic, what.
Speaker 3: Does it have to do with this question? I know
what the words mean. Don't play bullshit with me. Come on, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the same time, but not the.
Speaker 3: Same So so because it wasn't eternal, it's not eternal damnation.
So you're doing you're playing word games. But he was
damned by the Father, just not eternally.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that damnation properly is eternal.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. So what was the punishment that he took.
That's not our punishment.
Speaker 2: I already told you. It's bearing the sins of work.
Speaker 3: And that is what exactly he is.
Speaker 2: He is receiving the same type of punishment.
Speaker 3: Because the father ceased to love him and share the
same will as him. Oh so he did, so he
so he punishes. So what.
Speaker 2: I know the past, I know the quotes from Calvin
that beller me.
Speaker 3: I don't care about Calvin, Dude, tell me what the
correct position is from the scriptures that you believe. Nobody
cares about John Calvin here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Well it's a common accusation against the reform.
That's why I mentioned it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, I make it all the time
because most reformed people historically have believed that Jesus suffered
some sort of rejection by the father. And so I'm asking,
does the father turn his will against the son?
Speaker 2: Does he turn his will against the son? No, because
there's only one will.
Speaker 3: In the Okay, So how does he punish him and
go against him and use the terminology of a qualified damnation,
a qualified rejecting? In what sense is he rejecting him
if he's not turning his will against.
Speaker 2: Him, right, So you have to distinguish.
Speaker 3: But like I said, is he is he hating the son?
Speaker 2: No, No, one's saying that.
Speaker 39: I know that.
Speaker 3: And how is he punishing? No, it's not just John MacArthur.
It's a bunch of the reform traditions. So I want
to understand what this punishment is and what this turning
away is. What does it mean when he says the
father forsook him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the father forsaken Yeah.
Speaker 22: So like he did not have like as full a
sense of the beatific vision for example.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Jesus stopped being a divine person.
Speaker 2: That's not what I said.
Speaker 3: How do you not have a division a vision of
the of God if you're a divine person. Is Jesus
a divine person?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jesus is a divine person.
Speaker 3: But he lost the beatific visions. But he lost the
beatific vision, Yes you did. You just said he didn't
have the fullness of it. You just lied.
Speaker 2: The fullness of it is different from having it. If
you can't distinguish that, I.
Speaker 3: Can't distinguish it. So Jesus lost the beatific vision, but
he still had some of it, so he could like
see through a glass darkly, the beatific vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Christ experience like the darkness and his soul.
Speaker 3: On the cross darkness in this don't you know what
that means? I'm asking you your position, which is nonsense.
So Jesus lost the beatific vision as a divine person. No,
I don't. So you're a nestorian exactly as we said
from the very beginning.
Speaker 22: No, No, I believe Christ is a divine person that
assumed the human nature.
Speaker 3: The divine person doesn't lose the beatific vision. Heretic and
there is no beatific vision Latin sense anyway, you don't
see the divine essence but on their own model. If
being a divine person is being the divine essence, how
do you not really fully see the divine sc That
was so stupid, What a bunch of sophistry and word games.
And he kept wanting to debate Calvin's But I don't
care about Calvin's position, exempted cat, what's up? Jesus lost
the betic vision, but only a little bit. I'm mute.
What's up.
Speaker 40: All?
Speaker 9: I can't connect, Young Sheldon kah.
Speaker 20: Yo, Uh yeah, I just wanted to talk a little
bit about that Sam Hyde podcast. I think I think
my opinion is kind of in between you and the
wine Mom. And I mean I'm a Sam Hide fan.
I love his stuff. I just think that the problem
was just a clashing comedy style. Like it's kind of
like it's kind of like, you know, rock paper scissors,
Like some comedy styles just dismantle or trump other ones.
And I think Sam Hyde's comedy is like really the
crux of his whole thing is that he kind of
like takes you into his domain. Like he just creates
like this crazy world and he like makes you subject
to it, like for example, the the paradigm shift, the
twenty twenty seventy paradigm shift. He hijacks this ted X
talk and he takes all he's like these kind of
like modern.
Speaker 2: Liberal fellas in the crowd.
Speaker 20: He just takes some hostage and he subjects him to
all this like bullshit. And similar to the and also
with the Eye Dubs thing, right, he takes I Dubs
who doesn't realize what he's what he's getting into, brings
them into his like converted dental's office, totally flips the
script on him, creates this wacky world where it's like,
you know, this guy is like making beats in the corner,
he's smoking, his girlfriend is like high on meth, like
Ian can't even comprehend what's happening. And that's sort of
his style. Sam, Like, yeah, Sam, Sam Hid likes to
like take people into his domain and it's his world
is like crazy, right, and that's where the absurdist kind
of humor is there. And Harlan he's he's sort of
absurdist as well, but he's it's it's a different way.
Speaker 2: Like like a first.
Speaker 20: Glance, you might think you know they're compatible because they're
both you know, wacky, goofy, but really it's two completely
different styles. Harland he's more like he's more like, you know,
I don't really like him, so this might influence how
I describe it. But He's he's just more like random.
He's just more like it's less coherent, it's less structured, right,
he just kind of says things. He throws out a
joke here, changes the topic. It's like it's it's it
doesn't it doesn't actually coincide with Sam's style of humor.
Speaker 2: Like, so they're not really a good match for each other.
Speaker 20: And so like what I think is that Sam Hide
he's just more structured and Harland he's just a little
bit more more random, and that actually dismantles Unfortunately, I
think that dismantles Sam Hide's like specialty is comedy because
they can't stick on one like Sam Hi can't bring Harland.
Speaker 2: Into his world, into his like right, he can't do.
Speaker 20: That because it's just not compatible. He's Harland isn't like.
He isn't like I Dubs or someone who who is
willing to willing to follow a single line of thought. Right,
He's more random, He's all over the place. I personally
find that really boring. So I don't like that. I
prefer Sam Hide style. But unfortunately Sam Hide, it just
didn't It just didn't work. And I think the gorilla
the gorilla thing for me, that the gorilla thing was.
Speaker 2: The funniest part.
Speaker 20: But but I can I can see what people are
talking about when they say, you know, he crashed out
and it and it wasn't good because I think Sam
was was trying to Sam Sam Hide was a fish
out of water there. He he had he couldn't do
his his comedy. What he's known for, what he's comfortable with,
he couldn't do it, and the moment he was given
an opportunity to do something like that, right when he
was given the the permission to make a gorilla's nest, well,
what he did was he tried to bring bring Harlan
into his domain.
Speaker 2: And that kind of worked.
Speaker 20: I mean, like everyone, everyone was subject to the environment
Sam Hide created where he was in control at that moment,
and that I think it was the funniest part. But
obviously I think Sam Hide also went a little overboard,
and you know, maybe it was a little flustered, and yeah,
that's just that's.
Speaker 2: How I see that.
Speaker 3: Well, if you watch the and I did watch significant
sections of the Harlan Joe Rogan podcast from a while
back a year ago, and a lot of people were
making a big stink of this and fuss about this
because Joe Rogan seemed to not really be getting or
interested in the stories and the jokes either. It was
very It's another sort of less volatile interaction that was
kind of similar in certain ways, not that Joe Rogan
is in any way similar to Hyde, but they were
having this interaction back and forth, and Harlan kept telling
these wacky stories and kind of being silly, and Joe
Rogan was kind of more like I wanted to have
a conversation. I know that the first time I went
on Jamie Kennedy's podcast, it was similar because I assumed
that we would be yucking it up and Jamie would
have this very serious kind of conspiracy discussion, which is fine,
but if you if you watch the whole podcast, Jamie's like,
why is this guy? Damn he's already doing on his vices.
I want attack at Akin's Fanisey. It's like the whole thing,
and it wasn't bad. It didn't ended up being what yeah,
we're is a that right? Uh? This guy that ready
down vices?
Speaker 17: It's like, well, I do impressings all the time, Dude,
I'm gonna I'm gonna personate you don't anyway, So sometimes.
Speaker 3: We do get these clash of personality situation. So I
think that caller was correct that there there was a
clash of personalities for sure going on here. And by
the way, if I recall doesn't Harlan in this episode,
he tells this story that he.
Speaker 17: Has a gut like a leech or like a what
do you call those worms?
Speaker 3: That eat eat your guts out. I forget to know
what's the what's the name of the worm that lives
in your guts? They got tapeworm? Yeah, Like he tells
the story that he's got a tape worm, but he
doesn't want to get rid of it because they got
they get to be friends or something, which is funny.
But guess what that's actually and it's always sonny in
Philadelphia episode Frank gets a tapeworm and he doesn't want
to get rid of it. Or is it Charlie Frank
or Charlie gets a tape worm? It's actually it's a
really funny idea. But I mean, I'm not saying Harlan
stole it. I don't know, but I'm just saying, like,
I don't know, comedy is a weird thing. Also, people
can be in moods too, Like people could be in
a bad mood that day and they're just not feeling it.
But somebody made a good point. Mike Hunt says Harlan
could have at least plugged Extreme Peace, And I think
that's a good argument that there was some real tension
here because he did bleep out any of the references
to the new season Yeah, it's a tapeworm named Jerry,
and it's a is it Frank or Charlie that has
the tapeworm? It's pretty funny. Object full ten dollars, Thank
you man, Alex adame ten dollars. What up is the
argument that if Trump is compromised, it would have come out?
Is that a bad argument? I don't think it's a
bad argument. Do you think he's compromised. I think there's
a lot of different possibilities that we just don't know.
I mean, Trump could have been, for example, working with
the FBI a long time ago. I mean, I think
even Alex mentioned this possibility that could have happened a
long time ago. Trump might not be able to talk
about certain things because of, you know, gring to work
with the FBI back when Epstein was first being invested.
I I'm just saying this is a possibility, have no idea,
and then maybe Trump maybe other people have pointed out
that it might not even be about what people think
it might be, because there's high level financial elites lobbyists
that are compromised, and that that's a big part of it,
even above the politicians. So people think, oh, it's the
politicians now there's a class of people above the politicians
that might be compromised, and that's the big deal, not
the political class. Matt ten dollars. I bought an ignacious
study Bible. Is that a good choice for a Catholic. Well,
we're Orthodox Catholics, so we're I'm not going to tell
you to buy a Roman Catholic study Bible. No, get
an Orthodox study Bible. That's what I would recommend, ROSSI
one dollar, Jay. How would you feel about the claim
that determinism can still be true even though reasoning and
belief are causal processes. Well, then it would no longer
be knowledge or truth the way that we typically in
philosophy have talked about knowledge and truth. This would actually
be a defeater, because to know something would require the
ability to adjudicate between the true and the false. But
if everything that you believe is literally just a determined effect,
then you're not actually adjudicating between true and false. So
there's no value judgments in a deterministic system. So I
don't think this argument would work. All right, let's see
we've got more calls here, Wired Prometheus.
Speaker 12: Hello again, thanks a lot for your previous answer. What
are the main points that you would use to criticize
the CTM you with, and is a metaphysical model like
that reconcilable with Christianity?
Speaker 3: Again, if God is a platonic monad or if God
is a projection of my mind or of the subconscious
or something like that, that's not at all compatible with Christianity.
And also, again I think from an epistemic standpoint, if
he's a committed classical foundationalist, then all the critiques of foundationalism,
I think would reply. God's Soldier, Cillia soldier. By the way, guys,
I forgot.
Speaker 27: Uh.
Speaker 3: We're gonna close this out here in a little bit.
We will be back tonight with our buddy, yours, George,
who has a new book coming out, the Errors of
the Latins. If you guys remember about four years ago
we had Snack and George on together where we covered
the forgeries, and George has spent the last four years
collating and putting together this book, Errors of the Latins,
kind of detailing and going through the classic papal forgeries.
So we will be doing that interview at nine pm tonight,
so be sure and be ready for that. God's Soldier,
what's up? Man?
Speaker 2: Are you going to talk or about Hey, sorry, didn't
see it, was there, you guys doing it up.
Speaker 6: So I was raised as a seventh day advenus, and
I've been looking into Orthodoxy, one.
Speaker 2: Of the test I guess hiccups. It's trying to wrall the.
Speaker 15: Not chance, just the practice of worshiping on the Sabbath,
and now we're shipping on the Lord's Day or Sunday.
I would you reconcile that? Exactly?
Speaker 3: Well, there's nothing to reconciled, because the Orthodox Church in
the Saturday vespers still honors the seventh Day. But as
the Book of Hebrews says, we are now entered into
the resurrection Sabbath, which is His resurrection rest. So in
the New Testament they meet together the first day of
the week to celebrate the breaking of bread, which is
the liturgy. And so it's also shows us the superiority
of the New Covenant to the Judaic Covenant. So we
are no longer under the Old Testament Judaic rights and rituals.
We're now in the New Covenant realities.
Speaker 15: I see, okay, I know I read somewhere that like
there's the ceremonial Sabbath, right, and then there's I think
one more for now what it was, it can help
me out there.
Speaker 3: Well, when John says I was in the spirit on
the Lord's Day, right, and then he sees into heaven
and he sees this liturgical service going on. The Lord's
Day is the first day of the week. So what
John is seeing is the heavenly liturgy. So that lets
us know that John is looking up into heaven and
he's seeing this worship that's going on in heaven, which
is liturgical worship, and that alone should show you that
the seven day adven Is cult is false because they
don't even have liturgical worship.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I was gonna say, just from what I remember,
is a night and Dame difference compared to Orthodoxy. And
then I guess the first day of the week that
would be considered Sunday obviously.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, No.
Speaker 15: That helps out a lot, just because I've been trying
to just talk more with the family about that, because
they're all seventh Day in Venice and I'm kind of
the black sheep, you could see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, right, he says I was in the
spirit on the Lord's Day, and and I know a
lot of people don't think about it this way, but
we think that he's actually celebrating the divine liturgy because
he sees the altar, he sees the endcense. That's all
liturgical imagery and language, So that lets us know that
it's not talking about the Jewish Sabbath liturgical prepper. What's up.
Speaker 2: On me?
Speaker 3: Hello? Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 30: Yeah?
Speaker 41: I was.
Speaker 30: This isn't a topic I'd normally call in and bother
you with, but since you have any topic going on,
I just wanted to ask a question to you, or
really just ask your advice. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I
live in Spokane, Washington, and I have a parishioner that
goes through our church who was a Spokane police officer
that he's been wrongfully convicted and is sitting in prison
based on getting kind of caught between the defund the
police that was going on in Washington State and basically
being made an example of and like a quick win
for them to show that they're like working on corruption
in Spokane. And so there's like all these articles that
have been written about him, how he's been being convicted
and guilty, and it's like I have all the proof
in front of me that shows that they you know,
he was perjured against video, evidence was destroyed. They just
assumed that he was guilty from the get go and
then just applied this. And I mean, he sits in
prison and it's a life sentence because if he doesn't
admit to his guilt, which he doesn't intend to lie
or admit to wrongful charges, he's there for good. And
so I guess I'm just asking for help advice of
you know, I guess it's just.
Speaker 32: A bigger, a bigger conversation.
Speaker 30: As far as the corruption in Spokane, as far as
the police goes, and just how this one orthodox Christian
for my parish has been made an example and sits
in prison innocent.
Speaker 3: Man. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I don't know
what to say about that. I mean, you're saying that
it was because of defund the police, and he was
for that or against that.
Speaker 30: Basically, he came to understand. He kind of took the
job out of naivete thinking he could help, and when
he got there, it was basically like, no, we're not
here to actually help the public.
Speaker 2: We're here to like you know.
Speaker 30: Classify the public and and and you know, or make arrest.
And he wasn't willing to just make pointless arrest, so
he had it up in issues with the special Investigations
unit that just wanted him to make like mindless arrest
and he was just trying to treat people as human
beings and found that there was no place for that
on the police force for him at all.
Speaker 2: And at that point, there was you.
Speaker 30: Know, this one person that's made allegations against him as
a meth addict, and she has multiple allegations against the
police officers. And this other woman thinks she's Jesus, and
so they have just found this method. They've paid these
two women close to a million dollars in settlements now.
And like I said, I've all of his appeals have
been exhausted with the exception of one, and he's run
out of money for lead, like for legal fees. So
like me and my godson and some of us have
kind of become his like amateur legal team because we helped,
you know, go through the files and then you know,
help him to write his appeals and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, is this like a blue area, I'm assuming.
Speaker 32: What are you in a blue area?
Speaker 3: Democrat?
Speaker 30: Well, we're eastern Washington, but Spokane is somewhat liberal within itself,
so it's kind of like we're two two mentalities clash
of like conservative eastern Washington close to Idaho. I mean,
if he was a comp in Idaho, this would have
never happened because they didn't have this opposition to police.
But just him being in Washington and essentially trying to
treat people like human beings and there was just no
place for that on the police force. And he just
ended up developing enemies because he just wasn't willing to
play ball the way they.
Speaker 2: Wanted him to play ball.
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, man, I don't like these kind of local
clashes with corrupt leaders. I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, have like a website or something you want
to push out and promote and get get people look, you.
Speaker 30: Know, and for unfortunately right now I don't. His name
is Nathan Nash. If anybody wants to pray for him,
I've actually been in like like talking to a couple
other people about possibly going on their podcast and two more.
Speaker 2: Things like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could like up hit up somebody like Robert Barnes.
I know he takes a lot of these kind of cases,
but Uh, yeah, you know, if you get a website
up or something like that, feel free to call back
in Max Payin, what's up? Sorry that that happened. I
just don't know what. I don't know anything about. I've
never been to Washington. They'rever been even close to Washington.
What's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I would just stay out of these big cities. Man,
they're all corrupt. What up? Dog? I'm you? Is the internet?
Just Max Mackie Payne. Do you want to talk or not?
Jord On What's up? Yep? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bring it back to the Sam hyping again. But like
I guess that the last well is like.
Speaker 35: Come off school, but I think it's like so much
more straightforward than that. Like in the beginning of the podcast,
Sam tries to like bring some of his like material
and content that he like likes to talk about and
then cuts it off, like as the Filipino Talk right,
they do the whole podcast from he set them right
Sam once again because he doesn't want to get cut off.
What he says, let's avoid the jew question, right, and
he tries to go into other areas right, Harvin brings
it back up, cuts him off again, doesn't allow him
to go anywhere, and then he just goes down this
weird line of like emasculating questioning.
Speaker 3: Right mmmm, so he asked.
Speaker 35: He tries to force the Filipino dude to tongue punch
a fake salmon piece, and Sam's eb.
Speaker 2: And We're like, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Well I didn't hear that. Go back and we can
barely hear you. It's bad internet today. So he tries
to what the Filipino did.
Speaker 35: Say that again, he tries to make the Filipino dude like,
do ton of lingus on his line of pushin of
lingus on a salmon piece.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I got you, I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Sam's immediately like, no, don't do that on a what
what was it?
Speaker 35: What was it?
Speaker 2: A fake piece of salmon?
Speaker 3: Like fake oh salmon?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and so Hide.
Speaker 35: Goes like, don't do that, don't do that, and he
continu used to push it.
Speaker 2: Sam gets over it. They move on.
Speaker 35: Then he goes into like the priest thing, and if
you watch PGL, Sam's not like offended by the priest
think he just hates that like weak, low tier like
super used shot comedy.
Speaker 3: Right, oh gotcha, okay, But.
Speaker 35: Then he goes right back to the emasculation, and he
looks Sam in the face and goes, have you been raped?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 35: So it's this weird thing of the mascul And then
you get into the gorilla thing.
Speaker 2: What does Sam do?
Speaker 35: Like the other guy said, he gets into his domain,
he flips it. But then he grabs him and goes
to take him into the nets. So he's like, you're
gonna do this weird and masculation thing. Okay, I'll buy
into the one joke you've allowed me to get into, but.
Speaker 2: You're gonna feel this amount.
Speaker 3: And you think the remember grape right, excuse the word great.
You think the great thing that look the grape was
intended to uh and masculate Sam. That's why I brought
that up.
Speaker 2: I think I think the whole thing, after the whole
joke cut off thing.
Speaker 35: What other reason would you pull a pizza like out
of nowhere, pull it up like something out and ask
another like a man on camera.
Speaker 2: To lick it?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 35: And then Sam, when Sam goes to the grillathic, he
grabs him and pulls him into the nest.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 35: I think that was just Sam going like, if you're
gonna like I've tried and tried and restarted and trying
to make jokes, Okay, this is one one joke. I'm
gonna take.
Speaker 2: Full control of it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's all. I think it was
that simple.
Speaker 26: I don't.
Speaker 35: I don't like hard Like if you look through the comments,
like Harland is like it's kind of bipolar the comments
he's liking, Like he's liking some of the ones that's say,
like it's squad and bad, but there's like a wave
it's like that he's liking saying Harland overcame or dominated,
like saying it's like a really weird thing, like why
would you bring some of your podcasts to like dominate him,
Like Harlan's never done that any other podcasts.
Speaker 2: Just a weird, porky weirdness.
Speaker 35: But this whole like vibe was weird because I've watched
a lot of Harland's podcasts.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, see, I've not seen any of his podcasts
so so that you're saying the vibe in the in
his podcast is way different for everybody else.
Speaker 35: It's not like extremely different, but he'll play along like
he can stick on a topic and like make weird
and do his porky thing and go along. But from
the very beginning of the podcast, it was super weird.
Doesn't Charleton frame?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, why did he do that?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe they're just all doing that to be funny,
but like, why did he stick Charles out of frame?
Speaker 35: It seemed like a whole we weird like domination thing
and the comments that they're the probe that the YouTube
channel is liking. It definitely seems like that because it's
all the comments he's like me to look through on
the YouTube. It's all them like his weird little like
the weird atheist people going like appreciated, he spoiled, has
spoiled you got to fit. In a pre show, Carland
totally trolled him and dominating.
Speaker 28: Comments.
Speaker 2: It's a really weird vibe.
Speaker 35: Like even with macad Evans, Harland was super cool with him.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I.
Speaker 35: Think made jokes on topics and stuff. They the first
fifteen minutes podcast. They couldn't like stake on a single thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's all I had to say. I didnther
think it's super strange?
Speaker 3: No, those are interesting. Yeah, I'm really enjoying everybody's takes
on this. The more I hear everybody else's takes, the
more I'm like, I don't even know what's going on, squirrel,
what's up? People are overthinking this? I do agree that
with that, Like I just thought this was like just goober, goofy,
let's create a.
Speaker 17: Spectacle, and like now the whole inner nets like going wow,
and you're nobody's even talking about now. They are talking
about this.
Speaker 3: In fact, the U the protestinga clip has like what's up, squirrel? Yeah, man,
I just a little comment.
Speaker 37: And I don't know if it's had to do with
your new camera or something along the line. But notice
for the last maybe two weeks or so, your stream
is constantly reloading, and I don't get that on anybody
else's channel.
Speaker 6: So it's not my internet, but I watch YouTube all
day long at work, and yours.
Speaker 37: In particular is super tough to watch because it's constantly
stopping and reloading.
Speaker 17: Anybody in the chat, tell me if you're having the
same problem, and we'll try to see what's going on
and address that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you mean. I'm reloading because like
you have to reload your on your side.
Speaker 1: And like.
Speaker 3: That might be at your work or something, or your computer,
because when I look at the status on both YouTube
and on stream labs, it's a straight up perfect quality
consistent seven thousand kb kilvis per second, sixty frames per second.
Everything should be top sphere. If I look at stream
Health on YouTube, everybody in the chat is saying that
this guy's a boomer. Everything works fine. Yeah, I mean
I'm getting I think it's your work computer because stream
health has been excellent and perfect on both sides YouTube
and obs for the last several hours. Where was this
comment about?
Speaker 24: No?
Speaker 3: Where is it a h No, it wasn't protesting. It
was af news. So it's already almost to a million
views or impressions over here on Twitter. But it's a
little bit of a different vibe over here, like the
comments are less imbalanced anyway. Where you talking about this,
because in order to have an audience, you have to
talk about what everyone's talking about. I don't know if
you've figured out the internet yet, but that's how it works.
Tyl Hasse, you want to try again?
Speaker 29: Jay?
Speaker 3: You heard me now? Yeah?
Speaker 39: Okay, good, excellent? Sorry driving to your Pennsylvania all these
hills with jacking up the service at a raid storm.
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 39: I wanted to ask you, what are your thoughts if
any John MacArthur at his recent passage.
Speaker 3: I honestly I don't know anything about it. I never
followed John MacArthur, was never interested in him, never even
read any of his stuff. Don't know anything. I mean,
I know who he is, but I've never followed him.
Speaker 39: Okay, fair enough, I had really quick If I may
ask something maybe kind of related but also kind of
to topic use, I haven't heard you talk about this
topic that much. I've heard top Orthodox bring it up
here there. I know it's not a dog ball as
far as I know, But what do you What do
you think of the toll house concept?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would just say look at father Sara from
Roses book Life of the Soul after Death, and I
pretty much agree with that. Coop. What's up? Coop? Yo?
Speaker 2: Jay?
Speaker 11: I am very much tapped in with your film critique
and kind of film study side.
Speaker 3: Of your work.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if you keep a notepad of
recommendations I have like I do, Quit.
Speaker 11: I have a media that was just Option b A
twenty four that is like a culmination of a lot
of your studies.
Speaker 2: I would say, what I think?
Speaker 3: Are you being seriously joking?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 39: I mean like topic wise, like the movie topics hit
a ton of topics that you talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well wait, you're saying you have a screenplay that
you did that you're giving to a twenty four about
stuff that I talked about.
Speaker 2: What do you mean that they've optioned one that someone
else made?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: And just reading about this media, it is like Jay
Dyer has to watch.
Speaker 39: This when it comes up.
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: I think it'll be called death stranding?
Speaker 3: Is that after the video game? Yes, okay, that's.
Speaker 11: Going to be a film, and they have the opportunity
to really push a lot of agendas through this media.
Speaker 3: Now, No, that's great. I always appreciate those recommendations. Usually
the best off you know, movie wise comes from audience recommendations.
Books too. By the way, so appreciate that. JR. What's up? Man?
Is this the same JR? Adams?
Speaker 17: By the way, I didn't mean to boot you earlier. John,
I thought you were done. Feel free to talk as
long as you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want me talking.
Speaker 3: You're trying to stifle me from being able to Okay,
I'm trying to censor you. Fine, you're gonna expose me.
I don't want to be exposed. I'm fragile. I'm licking
the testicles of Alex Jonson.
Speaker 24: Sam Height, mean it man on the internet who's just
butt snipping Sam get popular.
Speaker 3: Yes, feel free to expose me.
Speaker 24: I was actually I was actually just gonna point out
real quick that tapeworm joke is like an old Three
Stooges joke from I didn't know that. Yeah, So it's
not that anybody's gonna know who the Three Stooges are
if they don't even know who Michael McDonald is.
Speaker 2: He called me, all right, I just want to point
that out.
Speaker 29: What a more.
Speaker 3: Believes y'are just.
Speaker 17: The worst man, David Murdock, aren't five dollars prayers for Alaska.
There was just a giant seven point through earthquake.
Speaker 3: It is potentially a mashed cow'sly event. Woe, dude, that's crazy.
Is this is this real tsunami? I'm not gonna make
any jokes if that's real, because that would not be appropriate.
Speaker 35: Is that this.
Speaker 3: Was it in the water off the off of the
So the earthquake was in the water and it might
cause us to Sam me, well, we got a lot
of Orthodox people up there, so uh, pray for the
Orthodox up there, Lord have mercy. Mike count five dollars.
Sam was not going to get a plug for or
MD either way. I think he knew that, and he
just made the interview be something viral. If he did
nothing there would have gotten any exposure. That's another angle too. Yeah,
maybe Sam was just aware of the fact that, like,
you know, Harland's podcast gets like twenty thirty that gets
like as many views as we get on her live stream.
So maybe he, you know, felt like, create a spectacle,
make it go viral, something like that. Elias became a member.
What's that dog? Elias says for five dollars, we need
to relax. People need to relax. We need to let
Sam hide and Harland explain the situation. That'll be interesting
to see what they say about it. Mike three says,
for ten dollars, this is the stris End effect. Sam
Hid remains undefeated. That's also an interesting angle. You know,
we're kind of in this age where rage baiting is
the rage, and you think that a thing happens and
oh this is the end of so and so not
that anybody thinks this is the end of Sam High,
but you know, people think, oh, this is going to
be the end of Dean Withers or you know this,
and it's like, oh, this is the end of Trent Doherty. No, No,
he'll probably come back as like the top Catholic apologist.
I mean, like, things do not work the way that
you think logically in terms of media. It's like Sam
Hyde had this joke too. He was talking about Hawk
Tua and people are like, oh, Hawk two is dead,
and Sam's like, no, she's just getting started. She'll come
back even stronger after her crypto scamp. It's like, yeah, exactly,
that's the way. That's the way it really works. Where
are we at here? Mystical ape.
Speaker 2: Was man has a bow?
Speaker 3: Mystical eight? What's up?
Speaker 37: Dog?
Speaker 2: Jud Hello? Hello? How are you? Uh?
Speaker 3: We got a funny man what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Also, and my bros are chilling in my lip shop and.
Speaker 25: We were thinking if then bla blah lah, so why
not the mohammed you hut exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the kind of joke call that I
love and appreciate, and I'm not joking being serious. I
actually like a fake Muslim call is actually pretty good,
Devin Holt. What's up? By the way, I was joking
a while back about buying hawk to a coin. Obviously
I was not gonna do that, And then did you
notice that I think it did recently, Pump. I mean
that's the funny thing about cryptos, Like you think these
like obvious rug pull scam cryptos are dead, and then
like out of nowhere, one day, Oh, hawk Tua coin
is up today. What's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: We live in such a weird world that fart coin
has like a multi billion dollar valuation, right, a billion
dollar evaluation? And what hawk Tua is it? Back?
Speaker 8: Up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Look at that in three months this stupid ass rug
pull coin has actually gone up. That's amazing. By the way,
I'm not at all promoting the stupid You gotta be
a total dumb dumb to buy this stupid thing. What's up, man, yo?
Speaker 24: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Uh huh okay.
Speaker 40: I was gonna ask you about when you think of
Robert Eggers and specifically Nosparato.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of his films. Like obviously I watched.
Speaker 40: Your video about the Witch and how it got like
promoted by like some Satanic group.
Speaker 2: That was strange.
Speaker 28: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't like Nusrato either. That was gross. I thought
it was like pro uh you know, the woman rides
the beast type stuff. I thought that was very Krollian.
That was my take on it.
Speaker 40: M Yeah, because I mean, obviously, I mean I remember
watching it and you know, he goes to the Orthodox
Church and I you know, soy faced at the screen.
But other than that, the movie was pretty demonic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that in the book it's kind of
that way, or in the in the Yeah, in the
book it's kind of it would be Orthodox Church.
Speaker 40: Yeah, it can't it can't not be demonic obviously because
about Dracula.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 34: I enjoy that.
Speaker 40: Guy's films as being filmed.
Speaker 3: But I've liked, I've only liked. I mean, there's elements
of The Witch that I liked, elements that I didn't like.
I thought the Northman was pretty good.
Speaker 2: The rest of them, the Norseman was probably the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest of them I don't care for. I
didn't like Lighthouse was super gay. We did a breakdown
of that, and I.
Speaker 40: Mean, I don't know if you heard, uh, I mean
you probably did hear about the news of the suicide bombing.
I think it was like two weeks ago in the Syria.
Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard that, Yes, the Orthodox Church,
I did hear that, yes, and then today Syria was
getting I think attacked by Israel, right Tranquil Panther, Yes,
that's correct. The Noserato movie Exaggerate exaggerated the esoteric stuff
for sure, because it's not actually that occultic in the book.
But Aggers definitely does put the you know, legit Sigils
and Crowley and stuff in his movies, and that's kind
of what we were That's what we were pointing out
at the very beginning when we did the Witch analysis.
What's up, man, I'm starting to get a headache that
one ginger doesn't carry me. What's up?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 41: I was really enjoying the conversation earlier about like authenticity
and music and AI. Actually kind of an interesting thought
that I've been thinking about for a while, redaring that
maybe just wanting to get your thoughts on AI in general.
So I was thinking, you know, what would I do
if I was a kind of evil record executive and
I want to set to pump out as many vehicles
for getting money and attention as possible. I think you're
absolutely right that no one's going to want to listen
to music that they know isn't authentic.
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to start hiding.
Speaker 41: The fact that they're using AI and just instead of
producers and ghostwriters in the background, is just all going
to be AI ghost written. And you know what I
would do if I was one of these executives is
I would just find some up and coming person on
TikTok and I would pay them to use their voice
to train us singing models and then have like do
one hundred of these and then just do market research
on SoundCloud to see which one will hit the artist demographically.
Speaker 2: And then pump them up.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really good Yeah, they should hire you
to run their scams for them, Tranquil Panther, because that
sounds like literally what they would do. Josh, what's up
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Speaker 28: Josh?
Speaker 2: Hey, I gotta I gotta head out. Thanks for having
me on, Jake Good Topics.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, what's up, Josh?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 42: I wanted to ask what you thought about hypernormalization and
the kind of everything they see in the news, Like
the Epstein stuff is specifically designed to insense people, and
like you know, it's all kind of a distraction.
Speaker 3: Uh, in a way that's absolutely correct. In fact, we
used to do old afternoon commutes with John Adams and
Chris John that just called in a minute ago, where
we talked about how a lot of this stuff getting
out is actually to desensitize people to these degenerate things,
and so that's a huge part of social engineering. I
would say that there's probably a big, big element that's
going on there. Inn El Kasmin two pounds. What is
your opinion about the Dutch? Are you talking about the
John Hughes movie Dutch, which is actually pretty funny. I
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