WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.160 And yet I ask him, it's not an alien force. 2 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:16.120 Already among. 3 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.320 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. I'm very 4 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.640 excited to have this guest here today to talk about 5 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:29.760 a subject I can tell they have researched extensively. The 6 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.200 guest is Nicholas Saint Germaine. Nicholas, thank you for coming on. 7 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:36.399 Yeah, glad to be here. 8 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.759 Yeah, absolutely, And I already like where we were going 9 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:47.000 with the conversation talking about Paracelsus and Nicholas Filmel and 10 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.600 some of these legendary alchemists. I know today we're going 11 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:57.200 to talk about Count Saint Germain today. And before I 12 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.280 get too far ahead here, I know you have a 13 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.879 book published, but also you could tell everyone about yourself 14 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.239 some of you would like, or start anywhere you would like. 15 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:12.879 Yeah, thank you, I say we start with the Count 16 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.120 of Saint Germain and go from there. Sure. Now, I 17 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.840 think in the broadest of strokes, people who have heard 18 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.200 something about the Count of Saint Germaine probably know that 19 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.200 somewhere in a not too distant past, a couple of 20 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:31.200 centuries ago, there was this person, a European but a 21 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:33.799 name of Count of Saint Germain, and he had some 22 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:39.040 legendary attributes, so he was thought to be very long lived, 23 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:43.439 perhaps immotal. He was extraordinary wealthy, even though he was 24 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:47.319 not clearly noble, and he was not employed with a 25 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:53.760 specific trade that people could identify. And he was eccentric, unusual, 26 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.959 or just strange, depending on how you want to pray emit. 27 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.959 So that's the broadest of strokes, and now we can 28 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.040 kind of start to fill in some of the details. 29 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.319 So got this European man. He is very likely of 30 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.919 noble descent, because at that time you couldn't really hobnob 31 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.080 with the kings and the queens of the societies without 32 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.719 being royal yourself in some ways. Most likely theory about 33 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.879 his birth and his ancestry is that he is a 34 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:29.560 descendant of a prince of Hungary, the Rakotsi dynasty. He 35 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.800 was born around seventeen twelve, so early eighteenth century. His 36 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.080 official death is recorded at seventeen eighty four, so towards 37 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.240 the end of that same century. And as I said, 38 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.800 unclear origins, but always in a good company company of royalty. 39 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.000 He has an unclear source of wealth as well, but 40 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.840 he is very wealthy. He does not borrow money, and 41 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:59.879 he shows himself an opulence. He is often undertaking large enterprises. 42 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:06.080 He is a very skilled musician. That's something that we 43 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.319 can verify because there are plenty of musical sheets and 44 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.319 notes that are still left up, perettas and sonatas and 45 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.000 things like that. He is well spoken. He speaks multiple 46 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:20.000 languages as well. He has excellent knowledge of history, and 47 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.680 he is at that time was famously known for his 48 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.560 chemical work, dies paints, things like that. He keeps very 49 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.759 much to himself and a few close friends. And out 50 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.919 of all of this come a lot of legends. And 51 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.360 legends are interesting, and I will touch on them in 52 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.120 just a moment, but I always like to start with 53 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:44.960 things that people can actually dig into and verify, because 54 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.520 legends are fun, and that's the other place. But history 55 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:53.639 itself is quite interesting. And so here's some people off 56 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.159 the top kind of that have written about him. So 57 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:02.800 contemporary Horace Walpole, he is a British politician, and he 58 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.159 was one of the first people who wrote about Saint 59 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.319 Germain in around seventeen forty five. So again in the 60 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.520 eighteenth century, count of Saint Germaine is present in England, 61 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.319 and so they for whatever reason that the British government 62 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.800 arrests him, and they say that despite repeated requests, he 63 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:23.959 will not tell who he is or where he came from. 64 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.800 But he tells others that he possesses and professes wonderful things. 65 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.439 One is that he is not truly Count of Saint 66 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.079 Germaine as an like that as a taken name in alias. 67 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.040 And second that he has never had any dealings with 68 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.480 any woman or any other person, meaning that he had 69 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.839 no relationship status. Right, He's very private about his personal affairs, 70 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:52.040 romantic affairs. You can interpret it as you will, but 71 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.639 this is just something that he is kind of keeps 72 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.319 out of the limelight at the time where any kind 73 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.279 of romantic gossip is the sort of thing of the day, 74 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:06.800 and the Prince of Wales has this unsatiate curiosity about him, 75 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.199 but he will not reveal anything about himself, so it's 76 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.120 kind of a mystery person. He is arrested because he 77 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.160 suspected of being a spy. Obviously somebody not using his 78 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.160 real name, but being present in the government circles raises suspicion, 79 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.959 and eventually he is told to to move on. He 80 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.079 can't really be arrested because he hasn't broken any laws, 81 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.800 but all the same, he raises suspicion you have another 82 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:37.279 famous person, Voltaire or Francois ar what he says, He 83 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.879 makes us rather famous quote in one of his memoirs 84 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:42.480 that Saint Germaine is a man who does not die 85 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.600 and who knows everything. And we kind of lose a 86 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.920 bit in then without the context. But he also says 87 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.959 that you know, this is a man who does not 88 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.399 shut up. He is He describes Count of Saint Germaine 89 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.480 as somebody who really likes to talk. He likes to 90 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.680 talk endlessly, and he knows everything, you know. But it's 91 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:03.959 kind of like said the button judge, we have let's 92 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:08.160 see who else. We have a lend graph of Hessan Phillips, 93 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.439 a German, or rather famous German at that time, and 94 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.920 he is one of the first people who kind of 95 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.959 clears or presents a positive image of Saint Germaine. He 96 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:22.560 says he is not a Seco fan. He is a 97 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.560 man of good society, and many people are pleased to 98 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.560 attach themselves to him. He stands in close relation with 99 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:35.120 many men of considerable importance. He exercises incomprehensible influences on them. 100 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.279 And here there's a little bit of a quote that's 101 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.759 quite interesting because it will bear some importance later, and 102 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.759 he says he, as a Saint Germaine, is supposed to 103 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.959 have intercourse with ghosts and supernatural beings who appear at 104 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:51.600 this call. So this is the first time in the 105 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.959 writings of his contemporaries that we get this explicit mention 106 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.519 that there's something more to us count to Saint Germain. 107 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:02.680 He's not just a noble man who is multilingual and 108 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.360 has an interest in chemistry. He is also he has 109 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.519 this other interest and you may call it experimental signs 110 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.519 of the day or spiritualism orccultism, but there's definitely that, 111 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:15.680 and we will come back to that because that is 112 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.199 something that will reappear in the accounts of others. Another 113 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:25.199 very famous account is from a character that's no imagined 114 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.079 almost everyone, Casanova, who was living at around the same time, 115 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.959 and they do intersect with each other, and I get 116 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.519 the sense, like if you read Casanova's memoirs, which are 117 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.759 fascinating and really fun to read, that Casanov really wants 118 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:41.959 to kind of dislike Saint Germaine in some ways because 119 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.680 he sees him as a competitor. Casanova was great at 120 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.800 some things, and he was quite obvious about being, you know, 121 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.120 in some ways an adventure in a charloattan and by 122 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.519 no other ways. But he kind of suspected that other 123 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:59.720 people who presented themselves as somewhat dramatic magnificent were also 124 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.160 other way is similar people, as in like they were 125 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.879 swindlers of some sort. And so that's kind of his 126 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.000 impression as well. He says a lot of video quote this. 127 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:12.920 He goes out to Genner says, I meet with a 128 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.360 famous adventure googles by the name of Countess Germaine. And 129 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.160 this individual, instead of eating, talked from the beginning of 130 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.279 the meal to the end. And I followed in his 131 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.759 example in one respect, as I did not eat, but 132 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.399 listened to the greatest attention. It may be safely said 133 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:32.559 as a conversationalist he was unequaled. He gave himself out 134 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:35.320 to be a marvel and always aimed at exciting amazement, 135 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.039 which he often succeeded in doing. He was a scholar, 136 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.440 a linguist, a musician, a chemist, good looking, and a 137 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.200 perfect ladies man. And this is coming from Casanova, so 138 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:51.679 that's quite some praise. But he later on kind of 139 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.399 goes on to somewhat sour this impression. He says, this 140 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.879 extraordinary man, intended by the nature to be the king 141 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.759 of imposters and quacks, would say in an easy assured 142 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.080 man that he was three hundred years old, that he 143 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.799 knew the secret of universal medicine, that he possessed mastery 144 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.279 over nature, that he could melt diamonds, and he said 145 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.120 this was all a trifle to him. And so you 146 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.879 kind of get the stunts and thought like, this guy's 147 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.000 very critical, surely he's making this stuff up. But then 148 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:19.320 he finishes with a surprising endy. He says, nonewithstanding his boasting, 149 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:23.120 his bare faced lies, and his manifold eccentricities, I cannot 150 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:26.840 say I thought him offensive. In spite of my knowledge 151 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.480 of what he was, and in spite of my own feelings, 152 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.200 I thought him an astonishing man, and he was always 153 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:37.799 astonishing me. So it's kind of a curious social interaction. 154 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:42.120 Saint Jermaine presents himself this in this bombasta grand way, 155 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.399 and Casanova's as well. You know, he's one of us, right, 156 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.080 He's like one of these dudes who's drifting around and 157 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.639 things like that, but he can never really kind of 158 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.720 catch him out Casanova often borrows money and has to 159 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.240 flee because he kind of sleeps with somebody. He shouldn't 160 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.840 think things like that, But counpus in Jamine doesn't have 161 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:00.600 this reputation. 162 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.720 Yes, I want to jump in and says, I've been 163 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:08.440 real quick. There's an American phrase you hear in rap 164 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.639 songs a lot, They say real recognize is real. 165 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.200 That's right, absolutely, yeah. 166 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.519 And I just one other thing I want to point 167 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.759 out is that that's how you know it's big coming 168 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:26.799 from Casanova to call this ladies man as well, that's. 169 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:32.039 Big, right, yeah, yeah, especially again because Cassano was extremely 170 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:38.840 boastful of his affairs and Saint Jermaine throughout the entire time, 171 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.960 and a lot of people wrote about him. It's not 172 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.799 known to have any interaction at all with anybody, So 173 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.840 that's that's quite something. It's a bit of a mystery there. 174 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:57.440 We have other accounts, for example, that there's a certain 175 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:02.519 stuff and Felicite she's another count, and she said that 176 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.080 she's known Saint Germain for some time and that he 177 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.120 has traveled a great deal. She knew an extraordinary amount 178 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.120 of history, and so he spoke very well of ancient 179 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.799 people as if he lived with them, and she makes 180 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.639 a distinction that he is a well known historian. He's 181 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:21.440 not claiming to be ancient. He's just so well read. 182 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:26.759 Let's say that his stories. Remember, social interaction at that 183 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.080 time is very much storytelling around fireplace kind of a thing, right, 184 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.639 rather than Facebook. So he was a good storyteller and 185 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.519 people really like his storytelling. His principles were the loftiest, 186 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.960 and he complied with all exteriors duties of religion, which 187 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:48.000 was another thing. He complies with the surface presentations of religion. 188 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.600 He's not a religious person at all in fact, and 189 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.960 that later comes to quite a bit, but he is 190 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.600 willing to go along with that at that time because 191 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.279 religion is still a big part of most people's society. 192 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.720 He's very charitable and everyone agrees that his morals were 193 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.039 a purist. He's a good physician, great chemist. He painted 194 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:14.080 in oils and painted pictures of pictures in which people 195 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.759 were shown where in jewelry that gleamed and reflected light 196 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.440 as of made with real stones. So again we kind 197 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.879 of come back to this idea that there's something about 198 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:27.840 this person and being able to present paints, dyes, colors, 199 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.559 and here I think a little diversion is in order, 200 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.200 because right now, if you say, well, look at somebody 201 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.600 painted a great picture and it looks very realistic it 202 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.480 or with great colors, it doesn't really impress. But back 203 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.799 in the eighteenth century, as an artist, as a painter, 204 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.679 you make your own pigments, Like if you want something 205 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.080 to look green, it's not like you go down to 206 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.480 the store and you pick from the fifty shades of 207 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.200 green or whatever. You have to make your own pigments, 208 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:55.639 and you have to bind them, and you have to 209 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.360 mix them, and often they decay. So it's a whole 210 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.879 art be able to develop paints and colors and dyes, 211 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:07.639 and it's in its infancy still because pigments at that 212 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:13.320 time primarily are coming from organic sources, so plants and animals, 213 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:19.159 insects as well. And he Saint Germain, that is, is 214 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.240 a pioneer in the sense is that he seems to 215 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:28.440 be experimenting and working with mineral dyes, so taking metals 216 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:32.879 for example, like iron oxide and using that for colorings 217 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:37.200 and things like that, zinc instead of other white substitutes, 218 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.440 and so interesting stuff. This chemical angle keeps coming back, 219 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.080 and of course, as we talked about in the beginning, 220 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.720 Alchemy is the name of chemistry at that time, right, 221 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.840 there's no chemistry yet it's it's all called alchemy, and 222 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.399 not in a derisive or a different ways. Alchemy is 223 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.039 simply the knowledge of working with chemicals at that time. 224 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:08.320 And let's see another person, Carl Heinrich Berean von Glehin. 225 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.240 He says of Saint Germain that Saint Germain has never 226 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.799 claimed to possess supernatural knowledge. He says that he was 227 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:23.879 very simple, robust individual. He was dressed with magnificent simplicity, 228 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:31.000 and he is known to possess chemical secrets, making of colors, dies, 229 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:38.039 making ways of how other metals resemble gold, and that 230 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.600 he has a very strict regime, never drinking while eating, 231 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.840 keeping to a certain diet. And that's all he advised 232 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.519 to anybody who asked them how to prolong their lives. 233 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.639 He'd always advised the same diet that he had, and 234 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.440 this is one of the key elements of his life. 235 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.559 Right again, his mysteries, mysteries of Saint Germain are essentially three. 236 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.200 He's thought to be very long lived, and for that account, 237 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.159 he has a particular diet that he follows. He has 238 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.840 thought to have extraordinary knowledge of the past, which is 239 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.519 either attributed to well his studies or travel or both. 240 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:19.039 Unless he is known for his chemical knowledge and including 241 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:28.440 various dies and perhaps health related things. 242 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:32.000 On the alchemy front, it sounds like he was using 243 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:38.320 alchemy as a way to make these paints or yeah, yeah, yeah, 244 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.200 that's I've never considered that, Like he was, Like, you 245 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.080 brought up a good point there where he's probably having 246 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.279 to go out and forwards maybe and find berries or 247 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.639 other sorts of items of nature to which he could 248 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.440 derive the materials for paint. 249 00:15:55.879 --> 00:16:02.080 That's interesting to me, right, and that I believe also 250 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:08.519 connects to his wealth because at this time there are 251 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:13.039 advances in textiles. So for example, weaving industry is starting 252 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.440 to advance. There's steam most used for travel, but also 253 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.360 for weaving clothes, and clothes come on like two or 254 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.759 three different colors. Right, There's not a lot of dyes 255 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.320 that are available that could be cheaply mass produced. He 256 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:31.080 is going in that particular direction. Specifically, he's like, how 257 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.440 can I make dyes that last a long time, that 258 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.679 survive washing, and that could be produced on mass because 259 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.960 somebody who can unlock that makes a very hefty chunk 260 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.080 of change. Not talking about dying with berries, but let's 261 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.559 say chemical dyes that last a long time, that could 262 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.600 be from crushing or something like that, acids and other 263 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.639 things like that. Now you're talking about an industry that's 264 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.320 considerably larger than just something that you do in your 265 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.519 own kind of like bath or whatever. Right, So lots 266 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:02.720 of money to be made that way. 267 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.119 Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, that's it. You know, I 268 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.400 was I was probably shooting it short by saying berries 269 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:18.160 like it sounds like he was really really using alchemy 270 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.599 to make these paints. And I wonder how much of 271 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.640 this he may have gotten from old text or possibly 272 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:31.440 even the Phoenician tradition. I know that he was said 273 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:35.359 to have had a purple robe or to be able 274 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.279 to make purple robes. I think that's a tradition that 275 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.640 goes back to Tire and Phoenicia. And I wonder if 276 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.440 he was, you know, had any connection to those people 277 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:46.680 who were also seafaring. 278 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:53.200 So yeah, that's too interesting. Two kind of tangents where 279 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.880 he may have got from one, As you said, travel, right, 280 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:01.240 the travel is no longer that different called an eighteenth century. 281 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.440 In fact, you could go from say England to India, 282 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.960 which is still a long journey, but you could make 283 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.240 it in four months five months at that time, so 284 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.400 not a lifetime. You could make it there. You can 285 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.839 come back, you could go to China, you can go 286 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.759 to Japan. It's difficult, but not impossible for somebody who's 287 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.359 willing and interesting enough to go along with merchant ships 288 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.000 and travel to very distant lands, as from a perspective 289 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:31.759 of European anyway, and by traveling to discover things that 290 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:35.079 these other cultures have known for a long time but 291 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.640 are maybe not yet publicly available as knowledge in Europe. 292 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:43.039 So you go to India, for example, and you might 293 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.799 learn about how to fill rubies. You know, you have 294 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:49.680 a ruby and you have a fracture in it. The 295 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.519 art of sealing rubies with certain substitutes, glass like substitutes 296 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.240 to make them look cleaner has been practiced there for 297 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.119 a while already, but it was unknown in Europe. So 298 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.039 it comes back and it says, look, I can take 299 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.279 this diamond and I can make it cleaner. In today's terms, 300 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.720 you'd say I'm going to fracture fill this diamond. You know, 301 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.160 we could do it everything from laser to lead glass, 302 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:17.000 but or epoxy or what have you, and other more 303 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.480 primitive methods, but doing it at that time in Europe 304 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.240 would seem like magic. Right, So you took the stone 305 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.799 and had these inclusions and you come back two weeks 306 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:27.640 later and it looks cleaner, and you're like, how did 307 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:31.960 you do that? Right? It seems wondrous. So that's one 308 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.200 angle and the other angle is that, you know, especially 309 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.480 talking about purple, this dye that was so very difficult 310 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:42.480 to obtain because its origins, the ingredients were so difficult 311 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:47.039 to get. Well, if you can come by a different 312 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:51.519 method from something more common, from a metal rather than 313 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.440 a shell or a plant or anything like that, then yeah, 314 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.000 you could make yourself a purple robe. And purple was 315 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.880 the color of nobility because it was so difficult to 316 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.160 get that purple diet. Well, now you have a different 317 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.640 way of getting that purple. Of course, you do want 318 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.240 to show it off, like look what I've got and 319 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.400 I didn't have to go all the way to Lebanon 320 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:15.400 to get that or something like that. Yeah, and you 321 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.640 know to the point that there's another person, say his 322 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:25.279 name Reinhardt, a ministered to one of the Germanic governments 323 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:28.480 at the time, he kind of. He said something specific 324 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:31.200 about Saint Germaine and his ability. He said his preferred 325 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.480 occupation was with preparation of all kinds of dies. He 326 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:38.240 possessed the art of removing flaws from diamonds, and his 327 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.599 prescription for health consisted chiefly of a strict diet and 328 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:47.440 the tea. And that he's also mentioned as a person 329 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.960 also mentioned that Sin Jermaine asked for nothing, received nothing 330 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.079 of least worth, and engage in nothing unbecoming. He lived 331 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:56.000 an extremely simple lifestyle and his needs were almost none, 332 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.680 So it's it's a curious thing. He's very self difishient person, 333 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.720 which is again in contrast to a lot of various 334 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.559 adventures at the time. So plenty of people will level 335 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.279 the accusation of him being a charlattan at that time, 336 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.640 but ultimately it doesn't really stand up, because a charlatan 337 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.359 that there has to be a rug pull somewhere, right, 338 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.160 if you're drifting something, you have to take something from somebody. 339 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:25.200 In the end, he didn't. He was you know, maybe 340 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.279 you disagree to with his methods of producing chemicals or whatnot, 341 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.000 but in the end, he wasn't borrowing money. He wasn't 342 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.599 taking money. He was presenting his ideas, and he was 343 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.880 self sufficient in achieving the ideas. By and large. 344 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.920 Yeah, he sounds like a businessman. I mean, this all 345 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:47.240 sounds very practical. I love history, and this interests me 346 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:51.920 because this does appear to be a real figure of history. 347 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.720 I do want to say that, and your take on 348 00:21:55.799 --> 00:22:00.920 this makes it more a bit more real, like more 349 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.400 practical again, to use that word. He must have been 350 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.640 very extraordinary because we're still talking about him today. But 351 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:14.039 how much of this story has become big fish? 352 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:14.400 You know? 353 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.400 The big fish story? Yeah? Yes, for people listening, it's 354 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:25.119 a fisherman catches this huge fish and it's big and 355 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:30.240 it's beautiful and it's memorable. But as time goes on 356 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.400 and as he tells the story ten years later, the 357 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.799 fish has become bigger and more beautiful. 358 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:37.839 Right. 359 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:40.279 How much of this do you think is applied to 360 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.000 the legend and the legacy of Saint Germain. 361 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.279 Oh? Yeah, I think that's exactly it. And that's that's 362 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.480 why I like to for those who are intersted in that, 363 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.680 can I get into some of these contemporary accounts, because 364 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.799 I think the legends are fun and we definitely can 365 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.119 custom But if you look at the actual stuff that happened. 366 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.160 It's interesting enough on its own, and it's worth knowing 367 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:09.960 some of that at least. I mean, we could speculate 368 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.519 about everything else too, but let's look at what's actually 369 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:17.640 there as well, in terms of what's been cross referenced 370 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.839 or whatever, and you'll find an individual that's actually very interesting, 371 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.839 even even if no other legends were attribute to that. 372 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:26.799 And over time you can kind of see us this, 373 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.680 Like you said, this big fish thing happened. So you 374 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.799 have another figure, for example, Maximilian von Lambert. He's a 375 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.519 person who writes his memoirs again towards the end of 376 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:43.000 eighteenth century, about seventeen seventy five, and there's lots of adventures, 377 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.160 great stuff to read, but I think most of it 378 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.720 is just yes, like he's a good writer, but he 379 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:51.079 doesn't really let the truth get in the way of 380 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:54.599 a story, so to speak. Right, So what he claimed 381 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.759 about Saint Jermaine is things like ambidi sterity, So can 382 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.960 Saint Jermaine can write with two hands. At the same time, 383 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.279 he said that Sin Jermain could make diamonds. He said 384 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.240 he could tame bees and snakes with his music. That 385 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.920 Sint Jermaine was three hundred and fifty years old, that 386 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.640 he could communicate with the dead, that kind of a thing. 387 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:17.279 And then because this has written this book one manuscripts 388 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:20.319 were written at the time that Sin Jermine is still alive. 389 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.279 Somebody asked him about It's like, so, what do you 390 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:25.960 think about this Lamberg guy? Right? He kind of wrote 391 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.519 some interesting things about you, and he's sin Jermaine said, 392 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.680 he's a madman. He does not have the honor of 393 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.839 knowing me. So he had no idea who this person was. 394 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.720 And he was kind of a bit taken aback. He's like, 395 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.759 what is this guy on about? Right? Just why is 396 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:42.680 he writing this stuff? Some hairs say maybe, but it 397 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:48.960 was already ballooning to an absurd degree in his lifetime. 398 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.680 But there was something useful in the account of Lamberg. 399 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.880 Lamberg did accurately, if by accidents, say that Saint Germain's 400 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.920 knowledge of gem work came from his second trip to India. 401 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.799