WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:12.160 In August of twenty seventeen, two people boarded a privately 2 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.199 built submarine in Copenhagen, a Swedish journalist who set out 3 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.839 to write a story on the vessel and the captain 4 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.399 who had built it. However, within hours, that vessel had 5 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.679 sunk and only the captain was found, claiming he had 6 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:32.439 dropped off that journalist safely hours ago. However, as investigators 7 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:36.079 examined the evidence, that story began to fall apart, and 8 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:40.200 what they uncovered instead was a case built on contradictions, 9 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:45.359 forensic evidence, and a bloody crime scene that unfolded in 10 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:51.640 complete isolation under the surface of the ocean. This is 11 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:55.600 the story of the submarine murder of Kim Wall. 12 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.560 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're list listening to Wicked. 13 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:13.640 Ingrim, a true crime podcasting the following mature audience listener discretion. 14 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:35.439 There we go. 15 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:36.560 You got it. 16 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.680 This is like my first drink in basically a week. 17 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:42.040 It's gonna hit good. 18 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:47.200 This is my first, nope, third drink today. I was 19 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:48.959 gonna say it's my first today, but. 20 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:52.159 It's my realized it was your third drink today. 21 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.319 Holy for well, I had that mimosa and then I 22 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:58.760 had a glass of wine with dinner, and now I've 23 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:02.040 got a little glasses scotch here. Uh so I'm living 24 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:02.840 my life today. 25 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.560 I was super sick. I don't know. I feel like 26 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.000 I hit it very well on the last episode. You 27 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:13.039 did so, but yeah, I was sicker than sick. So yeah, 28 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:17.400 I kindly, or I kindly. I finally am kind of 29 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:18.719 back to myself. 30 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.000 Which is a bit nice. And you went to the 31 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.159 gym today I did. 32 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.840 It's crazy, though, just being sick for a week basically, 33 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.400 well not even five days or so, how much it 34 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.719 impacts you, Like I couldn't even lift the same amount 35 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.599 of weights that I would have previously. Yeah, that's just 36 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:37.199 odd to me. 37 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.879 But it's being sick does a number on a person, It. 38 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.560 Sure does, it does. Yeah, so today's episode sounds kind 39 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:46.840 of interesting, you think. 40 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:46.960 So. 41 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.240 I don't think that someone could pay me to go 42 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:51.159 on a submarine. 43 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.879 No, No, I would never go on one. 44 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.919 I love water, but I think it's just very like 45 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.479 deep bodies of water that I have kind of a 46 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:01.560 fear towards. 47 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:04.280 Well, rightfully, so they're terrifying. 48 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:05.639 Yeah, because you have no idea what the hell is 49 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:05.960 in there? 50 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.400 What is it? We've only explored something like five percent 51 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.520 of the world's oceans or something like, we have no 52 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:10.960 clue what. 53 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:15.520 Yeah, so the thought of just going because they're mostly 54 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.240 in oceans, are I guess maybe like super big lakes. 55 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.840 But I just yeah, I don't think I would ever 56 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:22.680 say yes to that. 57 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.400 I think I would say yes, like really, like immediately, 58 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:27.280 like without hesitation. 59 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:28.879 Really yes. 60 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.080 I would feel safe on board a submarine. 61 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.479 Oh my gosh, that surprises me. 62 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.120 Actually really yeah, I would not feel safe, Like it 63 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.000 depends on the journey. If someone's like, hey, you want 64 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:41.199 to go to the bottom of the ocean and see 65 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.120 the Titanic and I'm going to control our submarine with 66 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:45.400 this little game controller that happened a few years ago 67 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.639 with a billionaire, Yeah, I wouldn't be comfortable in that situation. 68 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.840 We all know how that turned out. But if it's like, hey, 69 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.039 let's just go for a chill ride in a submarine, 70 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:54.080 I'm totally down. 71 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.599 But you so say if it was a legit, well 72 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:01.560 that probably was. I don't know how to work this, 73 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.520 but say someone did offer for you to go to 74 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.319 the Titanic and it was just like the top of 75 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.000 the notch, like this couldn't be any safer. 76 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.599 Oh if it couldn't be any if I was like 77 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.519 guaranteed and there was nothing sketchy about it, Yeah, I 78 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.920 probably would. Yeah, I probably do it. 79 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.000 Oh my gosh. No, I don't think I would want to. 80 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:22.519 No. 81 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.120 I would probably just like increase our life insurance money 82 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.000 a little bit before you left and then stay home. 83 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.600 Increase your life our life sure insurance. 84 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.720 I feel like it's super sketchy and like things can 85 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:36.199 go wrong. 86 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.199 I might probably be packing me a sandwich. Go ahead 87 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.600 on the submarine, ben, It's okay, I increase life insurance on. 88 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.600 You do your thing. I may or may not see 89 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.279 you when you get back. 90 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.959 But the thing is even what driving to work, you know, 91 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:51.360 has some risks to it. 92 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.560 So technically speaking, just existing has risks. Maybe you could 93 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:56.800 fall out of the sky at any moment. 94 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.160 Who knows, right, But I'm just saying i'd probably skydiving 95 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.759 and fricking submarine or bungee jumping. 96 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:08.759 See I'm opposite. Okay, I'm definitely opposite. But now our 97 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.920 subject to this podcast. She was certainly fine with getting 98 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:12.720 on board a submarine. 99 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.399 Okay, Well, I'm very interested in this one. 100 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.480 I thought it was interesting and when I learned about 101 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:19.800 it immediately, I was like, all right, I'm covering it. 102 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.160 So Kim Wall wasn't the kind of journalist who stayed 103 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.759 in one place for long. By the time she was 104 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.519 thirty years old, she had already built a career that 105 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.920 took her across multiple continents. She was covering stories that 106 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:35.439 didn't always make headlines, but they carried weight in a 107 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.040 lot of other ways. She was drawn to what she 108 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:44.759 described as the undercurrents of rebellion, you know, situations where culture, politics, 109 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.560 and everyday life intersected in ways that honestly are just 110 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.759 kind of overlooked now. Her reporting reflected that focus that 111 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.439 she had. She had worked in postwar Sri Lanka. She'd 112 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.839 written about tourism in Haiti after the earthquake, explored underground 113 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.040 tech culture in Cuba, and reported on the long term 114 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.560 effects of nuclear testing in the Marshall Islands. Her work 115 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:13.000 appeared in major publications including New York Times, The Guardian, Vice, 116 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.720 and The Atlantic. And the way she approached these stories 117 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.319 while they always stayed consistent, she spent time with people. 118 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.439 She asked questions that went deeper than surface level narratives, 119 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.680 and she tried to understand systems rather than just events. 120 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.879 Now that approach that she had started very early for her. 121 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.600 She grew up in southern Sweden in a household where 122 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.199 journalism was part of everyday life. See both of her 123 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.560 parents were journalists and the home was filled with newspapers, conversations, 124 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.040 and constant discussion about what was happening in the world. 125 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:52.399 From a young age, she showed the same kind of 126 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:56.480 curiosity that would later define her work. She paid attention, 127 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:01.120 she asked questions, and had a tendency to follow ideas 128 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.680 further than most people ever would. Now as she got older, 129 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.319 that turned into something much more focused. She studied international 130 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.800 relations at the London School of Economics, then went to 131 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.959 the Columbia University of New York, where she completed graduate 132 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.959 degrees in journalism and international affairs. After that, she continued moving, 133 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.480 working in different countries, taking on assignments that required her 134 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.959 to adapt quickly and operate independently. By the summer of 135 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.480 twenty seventeen, she was living in Copenhagen, Denmark with her 136 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:37.240 boyfriend Ole. Now Together, they had built a life there, 137 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.199 but it wasn't meant to be permanent. In fact, the 138 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.000 two of them were preparing to move to Beijing within days, 139 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:47.240 planning to continue their work and start something new. But 140 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.319 before she left, she had an interview she scheduled for 141 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.439 August tenth, which wasn't unusual for her. It wasn't a 142 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.480 high profile assignment or anything like that. It was not 143 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.319 something that really stood out as particularly risky either. It 144 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.439 was simply just another story, one that fit her pattern 145 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.600 of finding interesting people doing unusual things and taking time 146 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:12.240 to try and understand them from her perspective. It was 147 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.319 going to be a short trip. It was close to 148 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:18.959 home with someone who was already relatively known. Now that 149 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:23.759 man was Peter Madson. Now, Peter was a very interesting character, 150 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.439 to say the least. He had spent years building a 151 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.639 reputation around projects that sat outside the unusual boundaries of engineering. 152 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.240 He wasn't formally trained in the traditional sense, but he 153 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.039 had managed to position himself as a very serious figure 154 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:42.159 in Denmark's amateur aerospace and engineering scene. He even co 155 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:46.399 founded Copenhagen's Suborbitals, which is a group focused on building rockets, 156 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.720 and he became known for taking on large scale projects 157 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:54.399 that most individuals would never attempt on their own. In fact, 158 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.600 I watched the documentary on this case, and he was 159 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.000 often referred to as like kind of like an Denmark's 160 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.600 Elon Musk is how many people described him. 161 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:07.440 Oh really so honestly, spending any time or doing anything 162 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.960 like an interview on him, would you would not think 163 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.279 it would be risky whatsoever. 164 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.399 No, he's a very public figure. Okay, now I know 165 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.320 Elon Musk doesn't exactly have the best reputation these days, 166 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.320 but to get the idea of, you know, an innovator 167 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.279 and a scale of a well known name. Now, the 168 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.000 most visible of these projects that he had made was 169 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.240 the UC three Nautilus. It was his third build of 170 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:34.000 a privately built submarine. It was crowdfunded in fact, and 171 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.759 it had drawn attention from both the public and the 172 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:41.080 media alike. By twenty seventeen, he'd become something of a 173 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.759 local celebrity. He gave talks, participated in interviews, and was 174 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:48.480 often described as unconventional but very driven, someone who pushed 175 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:53.080 ahead with ideas regardless of whether they fit the established systems. 176 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.240 The kind of profile that he had made him a 177 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.879 very appealing subject for journalists, especially those interested in people 178 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.840 working on the edges of innovation, and that's how Kim 179 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.360 came to learn about him. He was a man building submarines. 180 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.840 He was building rockets outside of institutional support, and it 181 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.159 was the kind of story that she was naturally drawn to. 182 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:20.200 It was unusual, self directed, and connected to broader questions 183 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:25.039 about ambition, independence and how people carved out space for themselves. 184 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.720 I do have to say, Kim seems like she lives 185 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.919 an incredible life, like very experienced one hundred percent. 186 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.919 A very experienced individual is a good way of saying it, 187 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:36.799 and I think that's what it was. She lived a 188 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.919 very thorough life, not only through herself but through her 189 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.720 work and the people she talked to, which I honestly 190 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.279 hold it a really high regard. I really respect that. 191 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.559 Now she reached out him to arrange an interview, and 192 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.840 initially he agreed, but actually setting it up between the 193 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.399 two of them proved to be a bit difficult. Dates 194 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.559 were suggested and then postponed, and communication went quiet for 195 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.320 stretches of time too, And as the weeks passed, with 196 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.399 her planning to move Beijing getting closer, it started to 197 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.440 look like the opportunity might not come together. And I'm 198 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.200 sure we can all sympathize, you know, trying to make 199 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.679 plans with friends and stuff. Things get in the way. 200 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.440 It's like, well what about Tuesday, But I can't do 201 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.080 Tuesday at work? Well what about Wednesday? No, not good 202 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:17.919 for me. I got dinner. 203 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.919 Like you know, everyone is so busy exactly. 204 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:21.840 So trying to set it up was kind of a 205 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:25.960 similar situation. So by early August, she had largely accepted 206 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.960 that she might have to just move on and not 207 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.879 get the story. But then on the morning of August tenth, 208 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.399 Peter contacted her once again. He asked if she was 209 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.320 still interested in doing the interview and suggested that they 210 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.440 do it that very day. He had time now instead 211 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.799 of meeting on land, though, he actually proposed that she 212 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.120 come aboard the submarine itself. He said that they can 213 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:47.720 go out in the harbor, they can talk a while 214 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.000 on the water, and then you know, go submerge for 215 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.879 a while, so she can get the experience and then 216 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.679 be back on land within a couple hours. Now, it 217 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.960 was short notice, but it was also exactly what she 218 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.559 was hoping to arrange. He suggested she come down to 219 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.840 the dock that evening and join him on the submarine 220 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:05.840 for that short trip, then could be back by about 221 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.039 nine point thirty which would still leave her enough time 222 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.919 to return home before dinner. The timing was an ideal, 223 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.159 but it was workable. Kim spoke to her boyfriend Olay 224 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.440 about it. She asked if he was okay with her 225 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.200 stepping out for a few hours before dinner, and he was. 226 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.799 Opportunities like this weren't unusual for her, especially when it 227 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.440 was something she'd been trying to arrange for a while, 228 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.480 so she agreed to meet him that evening. At one point, 229 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.639 while she was getting ready, she admitted that the idea 230 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.720 of going out in a homemade submarine made her feel 231 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.320 a little uneasy, and it wasn't something she had done before. 232 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:42.159 I get that. 233 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.320 There was a moment where she actually considered whether it 234 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.840 was even worth it now Ole her boyfriend offered to 235 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.679 go with her, but she decided against it, saying no, no, 236 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.840 it's no big deal. There was still work to do 237 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.639 for the evening, and from her perspective, this didn't feel 238 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.759 like a situation that required any sort of caution. 239 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.320 Oh gosh, I feel like she has a bit of 240 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.399 a gut feeling that she's not listening to right now. 241 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.240 It's not so much that it's just it's a weird situation. 242 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.799 It's different like she's worked in far more unpredictable environments, right, 243 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.399 like literal war zones and true right, So for her 244 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.759 it was just like a new situation, any sort of thing. 245 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:25.000 The plan was straightforward. She was going to go down 246 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.120 to the dock, spend a couple hours on the submarine, 247 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:30.080 complete the interview, and return for their for their late 248 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.480 dinner together. So at around seven pm, Kim arrived at 249 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.360 the dock in Copenhagen where the UC three Nautilus was moored. 250 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.919 Now the submarine itself wasn't hidden or difficult to find. 251 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.559 In fact, it was kind of stood out with something 252 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.240 people in the area already recognized. You know, you don't 253 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:49.279 see a submarine parked at a dock very often, right, No, 254 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.120 you don't. So it was also like the identity around 255 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.039 around Peter. He'd built this identity. It was very public, 256 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.919 very very well spotted. It's that low in the water. 257 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.759 It was sleek and black, long and narrow, with a 258 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.840 small upper hatch that protruded upwards. And this is where 259 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:08.200 people could stand above the surface before submerging. So you're 260 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.000 in this little spot. You can close the hatch and 261 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.919 go down in submarine and then it goes under. When 262 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.120 Kim met him that evening, he was very friendly. There 263 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.320 wasn't anything unusual about their interaction, and the two of 264 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.200 them were both very excited. The interview, she said that 265 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.600 she was trying to set up for months was finally 266 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:26.879 happening at that very last minute, and for Peter he 267 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.960 got to show off his homemade submarine. Soon she found 268 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.720 herself stepping onto the vessel, and not long after that 269 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.440 the Nautilus began moving away from the dock. Now, this 270 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.039 vessel was seen by people on passing boats as it 271 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:47.120 departed into the ocean waters. One recording actually even shows them. 272 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.000 That evening shows both Kim and Peter above the surface, 273 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.559 standing in the open section near the hatch. Kim appears 274 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.240 calm looking out across the water, and it looks exactly 275 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.799 exactly what you picture in your mind. The small submarine 276 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.600 off in the distance, two people poking out and they 277 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.440 go down inside, and that's where she was going to 278 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.879 be beginning the interview. The submarine then moved further out 279 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.000 into the harbor and it gradually disappeared from view at 280 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.120 around eight thirty pm. Kim sent a message from the 281 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.440 submarine by that point, she'd been on board for roughly 282 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:27.159 an hour and a half, the interview was underway, and 283 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.840 from everything in the message, the situation just appeared normal. 284 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.720 There was no urgency in her wording, no indication that 285 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.720 anything had gone wrong. She had wrote the message to 286 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:42.679 her boyfriend Olay, and it said quote still alive as 287 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.759 a light, almost playful line to. 288 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.919 Her boyfriend, oh man, oh gosh. 289 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:49.840 And then she joked that there was cookies and coffee 290 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.480 on board, and then she added that they were about 291 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.600 to go down, referencing the submarine going and submerging in 292 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:59.360 the water. Before ending the message, she told Olay that 293 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.960 she loved him. After that, there was no further communication. 294 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.759 There were no follow up messages, no calls, and no 295 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.840 indication that the submarine had resurfaced or returned to the dock. 296 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.720 Now it's important to clarify once a vessel goes underwater, 297 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:17.440 it would lose signal entirely, and so delays weren't necessarily 298 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:21.799 unusual for a situation like this. Kim was expected back 299 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.360 at around nine thirty PM, and at first there was 300 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:28.120 no immediate reason to ascern assume that anything was wrong. 301 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:31.080 When she didn't show up on time at home. Sure, 302 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:33.919 interviews can run longer than normal, especially when they're unfolding 303 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.240 in an unusual setting like a submarine, for example. There 304 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.639 were also practical limitations once submerged. They would be no 305 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.480 signal and the lack of communication. It didn't stand out 306 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.960 right away to Olay, but by around ten thirty he 307 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.159 started to feel a bit uneasy. He tried reaching out 308 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.799 to her, expecting the submarine might have at least surface 309 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.519 by then, but there was still no response. The dinner 310 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.840 they had planned was waiting and hadn't returned any sort 311 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:06.359 of message or update of any kind. As more time passed, 312 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:08.920 the silence began to carry much more of a weight. 313 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.000 Then by midnight, the delay was no longer something that 314 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.599 could be dismissed as you know, something that was just 315 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.599 a scheduling issue, And the longer it went on, the 316 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.720 fewer reasonable explanations there were. Oleay continued to contact her, 317 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.599 or at least try, but nothing went through. By around 318 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.880 one forty five pm, after several hours without any contact, 319 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.640 no sign of the submarine returning nothing, Olay decided to 320 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.599 call the police and report her missing, and once that 321 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.880 report came in, the response moved. 322 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:46.799 Quickly, so she was supposed to be home about nine thirty, correct, 323 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.759 and at this point it's one forty five correct. You 324 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.759 would be losing your frickin' shit at this point. That 325 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:56.839 is probably terrifying. 326 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:58.960 Yep. And the fact that it's like, well, there's not 327 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.799 even a response that you know, she's at surface level. Yeah, 328 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.079 so okay, maybe the submarine gets to the surface and 329 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.079 then you got to you know what more at the dock, 330 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.759 and then you got to get home, so maybe an 331 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.039 extra half an hour after it even surfaces. So you're 332 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:15.599 sitting here thinking, one forty. 333 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.559 Five still no response, Oh my god. 334 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.559 Which means she's going to be home around what like 335 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:20.960 close to two thirty. 336 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.480 Yeah, that is way too long. Like I feel like 337 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:29.240 in this kind of scenario, tops two hours and then 338 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.559 I would just be frickin' beside myself. 339 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.960 Yeah, that's a good actual timeframe. I agree with that. Now, 340 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:39.119 the fact that Kim hadn't simply just failed to return home, 341 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.480 but instead she had actually last been seen boarding a 342 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.960 homemade submarine with Peter that was now unaccounted for, well, 343 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.119 this all changed the scale of the response. From the 344 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.640 very start, the Danish police began coordinating with the Coastguard 345 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.559 and the Navy, and a search effort was launched across 346 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.519 the waters surrounding Copenhagen. Patrol boats moved into the harbor 347 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.240 and went out along the expected route that the submarine 348 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:05.640 was supposed to have taken, or at least thought to 349 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.119 have taken. Helicopters were sent up to scan from above, 350 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.960 covering a wider area and looking for any sign of 351 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.799 the vessel breaking the surface. Attempts were made to establish 352 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.599 contact with Peter over the marine radio, but there was 353 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:19.440 just no response. 354 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.359 They're taking this very seriously right off the bat, which 355 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:22.960 is so good. 356 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.400 They are they are. I mean, you have a missing persons, 357 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:28.440 but you also now technically have two missing persons and 358 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:33.720 a potentially failed vessel missing submarine. Yeah, so this is massive. 359 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.920 It's honestly a catastrophic scale, even if you don't go 360 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.000 along the side of murder, because this has environmental issues 361 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.440 going along with it. With a vessel capsized or sunk, 362 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.440 it could potentially be debris in the waters which could 363 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.200 capsize another vessel. So there's a lot of things that 364 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.119 can go wrong in this situation like this. Now, as 365 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.839 the night went on, the search expanded sonar equipment was 366 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.039 used in an effort to try and locate the submarine 367 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.640 below the water, while Cruz checked surrounding sh shorelines in 368 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.880 case something had been washed up or come up unexpectedly. 369 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:06.839 And the longer the search went on without finding anything, 370 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.799 the more concerning the situation became. By the morning of 371 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.839 August eleventh, after hours of searching with no contact, the 372 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:20.440 UC three Nautilus was finally located. The submarine had surfaced 373 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.160 in the waters just south of Copenhagen. Boats in the 374 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.720 area moved toward it after a distress signal was reported, 375 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.079 and when the boats reached within eyesight of the vessel, 376 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.119 they could see Peter. He was already outside, standing on 377 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.720 top in the hatch, waving his arms. He was calling 378 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.240 for help before he dove in the water and was 379 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.960 soon rescued by one of the nearby boats. Kim, though 380 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:45.680 she was nowhere to be seen. It was just Peter. 381 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.680 There was no explanation for her absence either, and before 382 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.440 any detailed questions could be answered, the situation shifted once again, 383 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.920 as the submarine that Peter had just abandoned did not 384 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.519 remain floating. It began taking on water and slowly sank 385 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:05.680 beneath the surface. Witnesses later described how it didn't drop 386 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:10.640 suddenly or break apart. It slowly settled downward in almost 387 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.960 a controlled way, disappearing below the waterline until it was 388 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.839 completely gone. By the time the authorities arrived, the Nautilus 389 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.359 was no longer visible. Peter was brought back to the shore, 390 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.319 where police were already waiting for him. When he was there, 391 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.119 they asked where Kim was, and he gave a very 392 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:31.880 direct answer. He said that nothing had happened to her. 393 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:33.759 He said that he had dropped her off safely on 394 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.799 land earlier the evening, before before any problems with the 395 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.359 submarine even began. Now, at that moment, there was no 396 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.160 immediate evidence to contradict anything he said, but the situation 397 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.160 already carried a problem, one that couldn't be ignored, and 398 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.960 that was the fact that Kim was still missing. Within 399 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.319 minutes of stepping ashore, Peter was placed under arrest and 400 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:57.680 taken in for questioning. 401 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:01.799