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Speaker 3: everybody's week is off to a good start. We've had
Speaker 3: a little bit of decent weather over the last few days.
Speaker 3: We're back to about two or three cold days and
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Speaker 3: get rid of the snow. So it's a good thing there.
Speaker 3: Today we're going to be talking about Vietnam, but specifically
Speaker 3: we're going to be looking at two of the subgroups,
Speaker 3: if you will, within Vietnam, and that is Project one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, which we have spoken about before, and then
Speaker 3: the Phoenix program that we really haven't touched on. And
Speaker 3: again these podcasts are they can't be all encompassing, right.
Speaker 3: You look at some of the documentaries done eighteen twenty hours,
Speaker 3: and even those just really touched the surface on the
Speaker 3: depths of these rabbit holes. And Vietnam is one. It's
Speaker 3: a scar on this country, one of many scars. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it was the last time and hopefully stays the last
Speaker 3: time the draft was utilized. And that really something that
Speaker 3: I thought about a lot recently. It has a lot
Speaker 3: of correlation to what we saw during twenty twenty and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. Right, it was jab or job in
Speaker 3: many cases, and then back in the mid to late
Speaker 3: sixties you had draft or jail. Right, Many folks who
Speaker 3: listened their veterans, and they remember the old cadence, got
Speaker 3: a letter in the mill, go to army or go
Speaker 3: to jail. Right. So it's the same playbook. They just
Speaker 3: put different twists on it. And I also want to
Speaker 3: mention that, in no way, shape or form is this
Speaker 3: podcast meant to denigrate anyone who served in the military
Speaker 3: during that time, were actually served in Vietnam. That is
Speaker 3: not what we are here to do. We are here
Speaker 3: to shine a light on a government that is truly
Speaker 3: truly not looking out for our best interests. Right. We
Speaker 3: were supposedly there in Vietnam to stop Communism from spreading.
Speaker 3: They wanted Americans to believe that if communists or I
Speaker 3: should say communism flourished in Vietnam, then we would be
Speaker 3: in physical danger here in the United States, And that
Speaker 3: wasn't the case whatsoever. And in lieu of those ten
Speaker 3: years of war, they still Communism still eventually reared its
Speaker 3: ugly head there, right, And times change, people change, and
Speaker 3: finally people do stand up to things that do not
Speaker 3: benefit them, or in our case, were led to believe
Speaker 3: they're looking out for our best interest. But I think
Speaker 3: people are slowly starting to understand that that is not
Speaker 3: the case. So again, no way, shape or form meant
Speaker 3: to denigrate anyone during the Vietnam War, right, So let's
Speaker 3: get into it. The Vietnam War officially, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know this, it officially kicked off in
Speaker 3: the fifties November one, nineteen fifty five, and it officially
Speaker 3: ended April thirtieth, nineteen seventy five, which, again, for all
Speaker 3: those people, you know that April nineteenth to May one window, right,
Speaker 3: that is a very satanic window that was the official
Speaker 3: timeframe for the armed conflict in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia,
Speaker 3: but between North Vietnam and South Vietnam and their allies.
Speaker 3: Tell me if this story sounds familiar. North Vietnam was
Speaker 3: supported by the Soviet Union in China, while South Vietnam
Speaker 3: was supported by the United States and other anti communist nations.
Speaker 3: The conflict was the second of the Indochina Wars and
Speaker 3: a major proxy war of the Cold War between the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union and the US right and proxy war? How
Speaker 3: many times have we seen proxy wars? We saw it
Speaker 3: obviously during Vietnam Barred Me. We saw it in Afghanistan
Speaker 3: in the eighties, right, and we're seeing it today with
Speaker 3: Ukraine and Russia. We are fighting a proxy war. So
Speaker 3: this direct US military involvement greatly escalated from nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: five until it's withdrawal in nineteen seventy three. The fighting
Speaker 3: spilled over into the Laotian and Cambodian Civil Wars, which
Speaker 3: ended all three countries becoming communist. I should say that
Speaker 3: ended with all three countries being communist in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 3: So all those years, all those people's lives, you know,
Speaker 3: getting a draft card and being turned upside down for
Speaker 3: a year at the fifty five thousand or fifty eight
Speaker 3: thousand plus who never came home, those who were wounded,
Speaker 3: those who came home with PTSD and could not overcome it,
Speaker 3: and all these numbers will talk about in a bit.
Speaker 3: It still ended up with communism in Liation and Laos, Cambodia.
Speaker 3: It's just abhorrent really. After the defeat of the French
Speaker 3: Union in the First Into China War that became in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty six, that began in nineteen forty six, Vietnam
Speaker 3: gained independence at the nineteen fifty four Geneva Conference. But
Speaker 3: of course everybody remembers the seventeenth Parallel was divided into
Speaker 3: two parts. The vietnamn led by Ho Chi Minh, you know,
Speaker 3: the infamous Ho Chi Mitra, took control of North Vietnam,
Speaker 3: while the US assumed financial and military support for South Vietnam,
Speaker 3: led by No Din Dim. And I'm sure I said
Speaker 3: that wrong. And of course he was another useless stooge
Speaker 3: from New Jersey that we sent over there, and apparently
Speaker 3: he wasn't up to par, so we ended up killing
Speaker 3: him and overthrowing him and installing a new government. That's
Speaker 3: what we do. The North Vietnamese began supplying, directing the
Speaker 3: Viet Cong or the VC, a common front of dissidence
Speaker 3: in the South, which intensified a gorilla war. From nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty seven now nineteen fifty eight, North Vietnam invaded Laos,
Speaker 3: establishing the Hoshi Min Trail. That was to supply and
Speaker 3: reinforce the VC, And any time that there is some
Speaker 3: type of conflict like that, those type of logistical and
Speaker 3: supply trails are the most important to be established. In Iraq,
Speaker 3: we had MSR Tampa that went all the way from
Speaker 3: I think Basra right, yet you had the Kuwait Iraq border.
Speaker 3: Then Basra was like the first major city, and Tampa
Speaker 3: ran all the way to the very very north right.
Speaker 3: Everybody who's been a Arak knows exactly where that is.
Speaker 3: By nineteen sixty three, the North had covertly sent forty
Speaker 3: thousand of its own People's via People's Army of Vietnam,
Speaker 3: armed with Soviet and Chinese weapons to fight the insurgency. Now,
Speaker 3: a lot of people say that JFK did not take
Speaker 3: any action in Vietnam, but our initial involvement was nine
Speaker 3: hundred military advisors, and within his first three years in
Speaker 3: office those numbers increased over sixteen thousand, So that's not
Speaker 3: a one hundred percent accurate statement. Although most people believe
Speaker 3: that he would have not allowed to get Vietnam to
Speaker 3: the heights that it did. That is high point is
Speaker 3: just will never know hyperbole, right, it is all assumptions,
Speaker 3: will never know. But again, we continued to send an
Speaker 3: aid through sixty three to the Army of the Republic
Speaker 3: of Vietnam, failed to produce results in what happens in
Speaker 3: those cases. Well, in nineteen sixty three, Dim was killed
Speaker 3: in a US backed military coup. And you think about that,
Speaker 3: the guy that we installed ends up getting killed by US.
Speaker 3: And again, this guy spent a lot of times. He
Speaker 3: had several years in exile in Japan, in the United
Speaker 3: States and Europe. He eventually returned home with our help,
Speaker 3: but again he spent a lot of time in New
Speaker 3: Jersey and the CIA right was responsible for putting him
Speaker 3: in office. So that in itself, we could probably do
Speaker 3: a very short podcast on this guy. Right. He was
Speaker 3: involved with the coup against the French the Indochina War,
Speaker 3: was exiled, spent a lot of time he actually went
Speaker 3: to Michigan State Universe and he made the rounds and
Speaker 3: there were Americans assessments of DM. But he gained favor
Speaker 3: with very high ranking officials here in the United States,
Speaker 3: such as Supreme Court Justice William Douglas of Roman Catholic
Speaker 3: cardinal by the name of Francis Spelman, State reps from Montana,
Speaker 3: JFK of Massachusetts prior to his becoming president, and he
Speaker 3: even received support before the CIA became what they were
Speaker 3: from the Oss William Donovan. So again, a lot of
Speaker 3: the people on the world stage, even if you look
Speaker 3: at the guy who's running North Korea now, he went
Speaker 3: to college in Switzerland or I don't remember if it
Speaker 3: was college or his secondary education. But all these guys
Speaker 3: received the best education and then they're put into these
Speaker 3: places on the world stage, and you're awarded just like
Speaker 3: the woe Are you the good guy or the bad guy?
Speaker 3: Are you really an evil henchman who assassinates your uncle
Speaker 3: with artillery? Is you know, standing in front of an
Speaker 3: air artillery cannon? I don't know. I think much of
Speaker 3: the stuff is propaganda. But will we ever know the
Speaker 3: truth about these things? I don't know. But the big
Speaker 3: key is something we'll be talking about.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I mentioned we're going to be talking about Project one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand in the Phoenix program, but we'll also be
Speaker 3: talking about the Golf of Tonkin incident. George Morrison, the
Speaker 3: admiral of that ship and LBJ. But that incident, the
Speaker 3: Gulf of Tonkin, is what gave Congress the ammunition. No
Speaker 3: pun intended to pass a resolution that gave LBJ the
Speaker 3: authority to increase military presence without the declaration of war.
Speaker 3: And that is very much the cowardly way of doing things.
Speaker 3: If you're going to send our you know, nation's men
Speaker 3: in harm's way that is called war, have the kahonas
Speaker 3: to declare it and put your ass on the line
Speaker 3: like everybody else. But they're scoundrels, the people who run
Speaker 3: this country. LBJ of course, was one of the worst
Speaker 3: being able to, you know, increase military presence. I think
Speaker 3: the highest was close to six hundred thousand at one
Speaker 3: time we had the country in like sixty seven or
Speaker 3: sixty eight, and then he started the bombing campaigns and
Speaker 3: age in Orange and nay Palm. There's just so much
Speaker 3: that goes to it. But the thing that can't be overlooked?
Speaker 3: Are the numbers? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking about you know, upwards of three
Speaker 3: million in Vietnam, and obviously the United States we had
Speaker 3: fifty eight thousand, two hundred and eighty one dead deceased.
Speaker 3: But there are many articles out there and if you
Speaker 3: take the time to research, some people say that number
Speaker 3: is extremely low, and what we'll talk about that. But
Speaker 3: the other thing that should be eye opening that doesn't
Speaker 3: get talked about enough is of those fifty two hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty one dead, forty seven thousand were for combat.
Speaker 3: So that means there's another eleven thousand who either perished
Speaker 3: in accidents or saw things so terrible that they took
Speaker 3: their own life. And this was another conflict that haunted many,
Speaker 3: many people. And if you look at the official numbers,
Speaker 3: I think more people came home and took their own
Speaker 3: lives then you know, died in combat. A lot of
Speaker 3: these things are not the coolest of rabbit holes. These
Speaker 3: things are hard to talk about. I think most of
Speaker 3: us have family members that have served in Vietnam. My
Speaker 3: uncle was a gunner in the Casper Aviation platoon, Right,
Speaker 3: And you asked anybody who goes to combat, they do
Speaker 3: not come home the same in person, and I think
Speaker 3: sending someone into combat that should be the very very
Speaker 3: last straw. But now nowadays, I mean, we have soldiers
Speaker 3: guarding oil fields, the Conico oil fields in Syria, and
Speaker 3: for a while there those guys were getting mortared and
Speaker 3: rocketed on the regular in the name of oil. So
Speaker 3: we're going to start today with the Phoenix program, and
Speaker 3: that was designed and initially coordinated by the CIA. Shocking
Speaker 3: right during the Vietnam War, involving you had America, you
Speaker 3: had South Vietnamese militaries and a small amount of special
Speaker 3: forces and they were from the Australian Army training team
Speaker 3: in Vietnam. Now they claim in nineteen seventy the CIA
Speaker 3: responsibility of this was phased out and the program was
Speaker 3: put under the authority of Courts an acronym for civil
Speaker 3: Operations and Revolutionary Development Support. Now they claimed the program,
Speaker 3: and this is the official narrative, that it lasted from
Speaker 3: sixty eight to seventy two. It was designed to identify
Speaker 3: and destroy the viet Cong via infiltration, assassination, torture, capture,
Speaker 3: counter terrorism, and interrogation. The CIA described it as quote
Speaker 3: a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy
Speaker 3: the political infrastructure of Vietcong. The Phoenix Program was premised
Speaker 3: on the idea that North Vietnamese infiltration had required local
Speaker 3: support with non combat civilian populations, which were referred to
Speaker 3: as the VC infrastructure and political branch that had purportedly
Speaker 3: coordinated the insurgency. Now, throughout the program, Phoenix neutralized air
Speaker 3: quotes eighty one thousand, seven hundred and forty people suspected
Speaker 3: of VC membership, of whom over twenty six thousand were killed.
Speaker 3: The rest surrendered or were captured. Of those killed, eighty
Speaker 3: seven percent were attributed to conventional military operations by South
Speaker 3: Vietnamese and American forces, while the remaining thirteen percent were
Speaker 3: attributed to the Phoenix Program operatives. And let's get to
Speaker 3: the thirteen percent and how they were killed. And this
Speaker 3: is written by Wes Martin April twenty twenty two, Mercy
Speaker 3: of the Wicked, the CIA's Phoenix Program, and the CIA
Speaker 3: instituted this bloody campaign of exporting torture techniques across the
Speaker 3: world and into the hands of cruel regimes, officially known
Speaker 3: as the Phoenix Program. So you know, the curtains have
Speaker 3: fallen on World War two and the modern world. The militaries, governments,
Speaker 3: they adapted to meet the needs and want of the
Speaker 3: new era of society. Right, things were flourishing post war
Speaker 3: World War two, However, the horrors of World War Two
Speaker 3: still were on the minds of a lot of people,
Speaker 3: and when the war ended in nineteen forty five, the
Speaker 3: United States realized that the intellectual value of these German scientists, engineers,
Speaker 3: and doctors and many other individuals. So to make sure
Speaker 3: that in the post war period of the United States
Speaker 3: had the scales tipped in their favor, they unveiled Operation
Speaker 3: paper Clip, which I'm assuming probably at least ninety percent
Speaker 3: of you are aware of. Right. This project designed to
Speaker 3: recruit past Nazis and other high ranking German folks in
Speaker 3: the government, bring them to America, give them jobs and
Speaker 3: new identities as long as they provided their knowledge to
Speaker 3: the US military government. And we know, especially if you
Speaker 3: listen to my other podcasts. The most well known in
Speaker 3: a sense catch twenty two with this program was Warner
Speaker 3: von Brown. Right. He designed the most technologically advanced weapon,
Speaker 3: the V two rocket. It wreaked a lot of havoc
Speaker 3: on Europe, so they overlooked that and brought him to America, and,
Speaker 3: according to the official narrative, using his skills and rocket
Speaker 3: technology and propulsion, he became head of the National Air
Speaker 3: and Space Program right NASA, and is highly credited with
Speaker 3: Stanley Kubrick getting that great film out that debuted on
Speaker 3: July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine. I think it was called
Speaker 3: The Moon Landing. Okay. The official story, of course says,
Speaker 3: you know, he was responsible for getting man on the
Speaker 3: moon in nineteen sixty nine. Again, if you believe that
Speaker 3: I have a bridge to sell you, it's just not
Speaker 3: the case. But let's move on. Without this acquisition of
Speaker 3: intellect from the United States former enemies, it is not
Speaker 3: known where the space program would be. By the way,
Speaker 3: what is that seventy million dollars that we give to
Speaker 3: NASA every day? What is it doing to us? Hmm,
Speaker 3: let's continue, Okay. The CIA is America's leading foreign intelligence agency,
Speaker 3: was formed in forty seven. It was previously known as
Speaker 3: the OSS, and that was in response to the growing
Speaker 3: tension between the Soviet Union and the United States, even
Speaker 3: though we were best buds during World War Two. So
Speaker 3: stemming from German techniques and ideology and the cruel practices
Speaker 3: in which they learned to break a person mentally. The
Speaker 3: CIA formed a basis for psychological torture. Furthermore, Siaguantanamo Bay,
Speaker 3: by the way. Furthermore, it sponsored its propagation around the
Speaker 3: world under the guise of relief and assistance programs. So
Speaker 3: the most famous was the Phoenix program by the CIA
Speaker 3: during the conflict in Vietnam. So the Phoenix the program
Speaker 3: was crafted by the CIA as an intelligence ladder and
Speaker 3: channel in Vietnam in nineteen sixty seven. It was a
Speaker 3: commilation of all counterinsurgency operations in the country. You had police,
Speaker 3: you had military intelligence, and other CIA operations in the region.
Speaker 3: And through this compression of counterinsurgency operations, the CIA was
Speaker 3: in a better position to receive and extract information from hvts,
Speaker 3: or what is known as high value targets. The key
Speaker 3: factor in edge of the Phoenix program structure was that
Speaker 3: it was almost just as loose and flexible as its enemies. Right,
Speaker 3: didn't exactly follow the rules of war, rules for the
Speaker 3: but not for me. And we supposedly invaded Iraq that
Speaker 3: they had weapons of mass destruction. But the number of
Speaker 3: times we have violated laws during war it's egregious, right,
Speaker 3: rules for THEE but not for me. I can't say
Speaker 3: it enough. But for example, let's give you one example.
Speaker 3: CIA agents and plain clothes officers would work very closely
Speaker 3: and collaborate despite the differences in training and stature. Okay.
Speaker 3: One arm of the Phoenix program, the Office of Public
Speaker 3: Safety or OPS, was a program to help train Allied
Speaker 3: police forces around the world that was created in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty two. And isn't it interesting all these rabbit holes
Speaker 3: tying together that actually ties back to the George Floyd
Speaker 3: incident with the training on detaining people who are under arrest. Okay,
Speaker 3: it became a key tool in disseminating CIA torture techniques
Speaker 3: and stopping communism worldwide. Right. It was all the Cold War,
Speaker 3: stopping communism, the Red Scare, McCarthyism, all of that stuff
Speaker 3: in the fifties leading into the sixties. But I digress.
Speaker 3: The OPS would take train from Latin America, from Vietnam
Speaker 3: and other nations to a clandestine training center in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Where they were taught torture techniques by US officials.
Speaker 3: So in the case of Vietnam, trainees were trained under
Speaker 3: stringent wartime measures designed to assist in defeating the enemy.
Speaker 3: And I've said many times words have meaning, and they
Speaker 3: can tell these people who they're training. You get a
Speaker 3: general arm on your shoulder and this, you know. GS
Speaker 3: fifteen looks you in the eye and says, listen, this
Speaker 3: may not be pretty, but we're talking about stringent wartime measures,
Speaker 3: and this is going to assist us in defeating the enemy.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden it makes it okay. Right.
Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy one, a South Vietnamese trainee wrote in
Speaker 3: his these quote, despite the fact that brutal interrogation is
Speaker 3: strongly criticized by moralists, its importance must not be denied.
Speaker 3: If we want to have order and security in daily life.
Speaker 3: That hits like a hammer. So the Phoenix program had
Speaker 3: crafted a ladder of intelligence from rural Vietnam to the
Speaker 3: head intelligence office in Saigon. So this was mainly due
Speaker 3: to Peter Da Silva, the CIA station chief in Saigon.
Speaker 3: Da Silva wanted to replace and replicate the Vietcong's brutal
Speaker 3: techniques back onto themselves and instituted an equally brutal system.
Speaker 3: I guess he thought he was fighting fire with fire,
Speaker 3: so using local thugs under the guise of provincial reconnaissist units.
Speaker 3: Systematic torture would begin to plague the provincial interrogation centers
Speaker 3: in each province, and the America looked away. So Kay
Speaker 3: bart And Osbourne, a military intelligence official who worked with
Speaker 3: the Phoenix program in Vietnam from sixty seven to sixty eight,
Speaker 3: described the insertion of a doll into a captive's ear
Speaker 3: until it was hammered into their brains until they died,
Speaker 3: and then they also used sexual and electric exploitation of
Speaker 3: men and women prior to their death. Osbourne testified that
Speaker 3: of all these procedures, they were outlined to him and
Speaker 3: all other operatives, either Vietnamese or American in the Defense
Speaker 3: Collection Intelligence Manual which was issued to him during training.
Speaker 3: And obviously, listen, there are atrocities on both sides of
Speaker 3: every war, every single war, whether it's the Civil War,
Speaker 3: World War I, World War two, there is atrocities in
Speaker 3: propaganda that must be realized. They're chilling accounts of direct
Speaker 3: CIA atrocities in South Vietnam, particularly in the being Hoa
Speaker 3: Mental hospital in Saigon. It was reported that nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: doctor Lloyd H. Cutter and two other psychiatrists were sent
Speaker 3: with an electro shock machine provided by the Technical Services
Speaker 3: Division of the OPS, and their job was to test
Speaker 3: whether certain depatterning exercised worked on the brain to alter
Speaker 3: human behavior. And these things were prevalent at the turn
Speaker 3: of the century, the eighteen hundreds, in the nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: and it didn't work back then, So utilizing this phoenix
Speaker 3: ladder they called it, Vietcong prisoners were brought to the
Speaker 3: hospital and they were given excessive shock treatments for one
Speaker 3: week straight. They were subjugated to sixty shock treatments every
Speaker 3: single day. Not one single captive survive and without any results,
Speaker 3: the CIA doctors packed up and flew back to the
Speaker 3: United States. Then, in nineteen sixty eight, based on a
Speaker 3: journalist's account, a CIA team and one doctor flew to
Speaker 3: the hospital and planted tiny electrodes in each captive's brain
Speaker 3: and at the change of a frequency could make a
Speaker 3: man defecate or vomit at will. The men were also
Speaker 3: given knives and the doctor tried to get them to
Speaker 3: enact violence upon one another. And you know, people should
Speaker 3: not be surprised, because you have to remember this is
Speaker 3: the time when they were working feverishly on mk Ultra,
Speaker 3: and this is very similar to what they were doing,
Speaker 3: trying to infiltrate the human brain to get someone to
Speaker 3: react in a certain way, in this case a violent way.
Speaker 3: And of course, when this did not occur, green Berets,
Speaker 3: following CIA orders, shot and killed the men and then
Speaker 3: burned the body in the hospital courtyard. You had the
Speaker 3: hearings in nineteen seventy and seventy one, William Colby, chief
Speaker 3: of the Pacification of Vietnam, testified before the Senate Foreign
Speaker 3: Relations Committee that the Phoenix program had killed just over
Speaker 3: six thousand, or twelve percent of the seventy five thousand
Speaker 3: strong Vietcong and just nineteen sixty nine alone. Several days later,
Speaker 3: Colby reaffirmed to the Senate Committee that the program had
Speaker 3: killed over twenty thousand Viet Cong suspects since nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 3: So the South Vietnamese government countered with the number of
Speaker 3: over forty thousand since nineteen sixty eight. So Colby's recollection
Speaker 3: of the casualties up until nineteen seventy one is as
Speaker 3: follows quote. I believe that the figure in mid nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy one that were testified at the time, were some
Speaker 3: twenty eight thousand captured, some twenty thousand killed, and some
Speaker 3: seventeen thousand and had actually rallied at that time. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the program has been going on since then and those
Speaker 3: figures are much larger today. So according to the same
Speaker 3: release as Kolby's testament, the Phoenix program was fully integrated
Speaker 3: into the South Vietnam and these police forces in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy two, and all US assistants to the Phoenix program
Speaker 3: through the Department of Defense Pardon Me had subsequently ended.
Speaker 3: So this is one of those rabbit holes within a
Speaker 3: rabbit hole that isn't talked about very often whatsoever. The
Speaker 3: CIA torture techniques that I can assure you goes on
Speaker 3: to this day, and you can go back to nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty three when the CIA and the Israeli Masade together
Speaker 3: instituted a coup and Iran to put the pro Western
Speaker 3: Shah back into power, and the CIA had to help
Speaker 3: maintain his control for the twenty five years he was
Speaker 3: in power, right all the way into seventy eight, seventy nine.
Speaker 3: The hostage situation, the back door, dealing with Reagan, all
Speaker 3: these things are connected, right, but more importantly in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty nine, the CIA was involved in the reorganization of
Speaker 3: the Iranian Secret Police, and the CIA was personally responsible
Speaker 3: for the savak Okay. They were the most brutal of
Speaker 3: the secret police squads as they trained the Union. The
Speaker 3: unit Pardon Me and its interrogators based on old World
Speaker 3: War Two torture techniques and were inherited proclaimed through Operation
Speaker 3: paper Clip directly after World War Two. But they're all
Speaker 3: about walking the fine line and technicalities. Right although, and
Speaker 3: this is from Jesse, a former CIA analyst, Right although
Speaker 3: no Americans particularly participated in the torture. People who were
Speaker 3: there seeing the rooms and being told of the torture,
Speaker 3: and I know the torture rooms were all toured and
Speaker 3: paid for by the CIA and the United States of America.
Speaker 3: So that's why we talk about so often, these three leaders,
Speaker 3: these three letter agencies. If we really want true change
Speaker 3: in our country, they need to be taken apart or
Speaker 3: breaken into a thousand pieces, as jfk once famously said.
Speaker 3: But I want to continue with this story written by
Speaker 3: Marjorie Kohane and Jonathan Moore about another thing that we
Speaker 3: should not forget about, and that is the victims of
Speaker 3: Agent Orange, and everybody remembers watching the ken Burns eighteen
Speaker 3: hour series The Vietnam War, right, it was very emotional experience,
Speaker 3: and whether you served in the military during the war
Speaker 3: or not, you were not remained untouched by the documentary.
Speaker 3: The battle scenes were powerful, the stories of the veterans,
Speaker 3: the Vietnamese soldiers who fought on both sides of the
Speaker 3: war was compelling. But as we said, the most disgraceful
Speaker 3: thing was the human toll that was caused by the
Speaker 3: wars staggering. We're told over fifty eight thousand Americans died,
Speaker 3: somewhere between two to three million Vietnamese died, many of
Speaker 3: them civilians killed in the war, untold numbers wounded. Many
Speaker 3: US veterans of the war to this day suffer from
Speaker 3: post traumatic stress disorder US Vietnam. Listen to this number,
Speaker 3: more Vietnam vets here in the United States have committed
Speaker 3: suicide than died in the war. However, those numbers do
Speaker 3: not begin to tell the complete story of the war. Okay,
Speaker 3: And in that eighteen hour series by ken Burns and
Speaker 3: I think lynd Novic one of its most serious emissions,
Speaker 3: the series did give a short brief to the destruction
Speaker 3: wreaked on the US military's you know, sprang of deadly
Speaker 3: chemicals containing the poisoned dioxin over much of Vietnam, the
Speaker 3: most common of which was agent orange. And this is
Speaker 3: one of those tragic legacies of the war. Yet, aside
Speaker 3: from a few brief mentions, the victims of agent Orange,
Speaker 3: both Vietnamese and American, are not portrayed in the series whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Most importantly, the ongoing harm created by this chemical warfare
Speaker 3: program is never mentioned. I never mentioned at all. And
Speaker 3: the reason is the companies who were involved. And you
Speaker 3: have to understand, you're not getting your show on PBS
Speaker 3: if you say the names like Doo or Monsanto. But
Speaker 3: that is exactly who was manufacturing the chemicals for these
Speaker 3: weapons from nineteen sixty one to nineteen seventy one, and
Speaker 3: dioxin is one of the most toxic chemicals known to mankind.
Speaker 3: Approximately three million Vietnamese and thousands of US and Allied
Speaker 3: soldiers were exposed to agent orange. The government was aware
Speaker 3: that the use of the poison as a weapon was
Speaker 3: forbidden by international law before it was authorized in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: In fact, the US government suppressed a nineteen sixty five
Speaker 3: report called the Bionetics Study that showed diaxin caused many
Speaker 3: birth defects in experimental animals. It was not until the
Speaker 3: results of the study were leaked and the use of
Speaker 3: agent orange was Eventually we stopped in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately that was way too late. You look at the
Speaker 3: horrific birth defects. Those exposed to agent orange often have
Speaker 3: children and grandchildren. This has the ability to tarnish or
Speaker 3: taint I should say, two generations people being born with
Speaker 3: serious illnesses and disabilities. There is a virtual unaniminomy of
Speaker 3: unanimous voting of people within the international scientific community that
Speaker 3: exposure to agent orange caused some forms of cancers, reproductive abnormalities,
Speaker 3: immune and endocrime deficiencies, and nervous system damage. So again,
Speaker 3: second and third generation victims continued to be born in Vietnam,
Speaker 3: as well as to US veterans and Vietnamese Americans here
Speaker 3: in the United States, and for many of them and
Speaker 3: their families, the suffering continues. Myi Xiang was exposed to
Speaker 3: agent orange while serving in the Army of the South Vietnamese.
Speaker 3: He carried barrels of chemical to spray in the jungle
Speaker 3: while his sons were unable to walk or function normally.
Speaker 3: Their limbs gradually curled up and they could only crawl.
Speaker 3: By age eighteen, they were bedridden. One died at twenty three,
Speaker 3: the other died at twenty five. And there are many, many,
Speaker 3: many stories like that. Doctor Jean Stellman, who wrote the
Speaker 3: seminal agent orange article in Nature, said quote, this is
Speaker 3: the largest unstudied unnatural environmental disaster in the world, and
Speaker 3: we caused it hand in anne with dow in Monsanto.
Speaker 3: Doctor Jean Grassman of Brooklyn College at the City University
Speaker 3: of New York stated, dioxin is a potent sellular dysregulator
Speaker 3: that alters several pathways and disrupts many bodily systems. She
Speaker 3: went on to say that children are very sensitive dioxin
Speaker 3: and in the introteine or postnatal exposure to dioxin may
Speaker 3: result in altered immune, nero, behavioral, and hormonal functioning. Women
Speaker 3: pass their exposure to their children, both in utero and
Speaker 3: through the excretion of doxin in breast milk. So great book,
Speaker 3: I think it's by Brett Wilcox, where Monsanto feeding the
Speaker 3: World lie after lie, and there are dozens and dozens
Speaker 3: of important books that expose the truth on Manzato and Dow,
Speaker 3: and that is probably something that we need to reinvestigate
Speaker 3: again in the near future. We did a pretty long
Speaker 3: podcast on Monsanto back in the day. Probably need to
Speaker 3: bring that back along with Dow.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, both US veterans and Vietnamese
Speaker 3: victims sued the chemical companies who knowingly manufactured agent orange
Speaker 3: and other herbicides which they knew contained the unnecessary but
Speaker 3: lethal amount of dix and now the victims were prevented
Speaker 3: from suing the US government because of the doctrine of
Speaker 3: sovereign immunity. Despite agreeing to compensate US veterans in an
Speaker 3: earlier lawsuit by their exposure to Asian orange and other herbicides,
Speaker 3: the US government and the chemical companies maintained before the
Speaker 3: courts and to this very day here in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: that there is absolutely no evidence to support any connection
Speaker 3: between exposure and the disease. So there you go, a
Speaker 3: little connection to the Gulf of Tonk in this article
Speaker 3: is will the real Jim Morrison please stand up. It's
Speaker 3: the first week of August nineteen sixty four and warships
Speaker 3: under the Army command, I should say the Navy Admiral
Speaker 3: George Stephen Morrison. So the story goes, they allegedly came
Speaker 3: under attack while patrolling Vietnam's Tonkin Golf and this is
Speaker 3: the seminole event that would demand the immediate passing of
Speaker 3: the Tonkin Golf Resolution by Congress, which in turn accelerate
Speaker 3: America's involvement in a decade long, bloody conflict, leading to
Speaker 3: the painful mutilation and human sacrifice of millions. For the record,
Speaker 3: the Gulf of Tonkin was not a false flag attack.
Speaker 3: Pick a day of the week, any day, any year.
Speaker 3: It was a complete hoax. The attack never happened whatsoever.
Speaker 3: The United States government invented the entire incident. The nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty four Golf of Tonkin Resolution was obviously pre drafted,
Speaker 3: and that wouldn't be the first time something was pre drafted. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the Patriot Act was drafted well in advance of nine
Speaker 3: to eleven. Former Secretary of Defense Robert mcnmair, who will
Speaker 3: be talking about more here in a moment with the
Speaker 3: Project one hundred thousand, actually confessed to the fabrication in
Speaker 3: the two thousand and three documentary The Fog of War,
Speaker 3: and then cleverly spun the story. Sure, the American destroyers
Speaker 3: USS Maddox and the USSS Turner were never fired upon
Speaker 3: by the North Vietnamese torpedo boats on August fourth, but
Speaker 3: that is not to say that they were not first
Speaker 3: attack two days earlier, on August the second. Do you
Speaker 3: see what he did there, right? McNamara has a thing
Speaker 3: for writing history books. He likes to write them, but
Speaker 3: then he likes to rewrite further editions. For example, in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four, Senator Wayne Morse was one of the
Speaker 3: only two senators who opposed the blank check offered to
Speaker 3: LB Jane. When he asked during a congressional hearing, pardon
Speaker 3: me if the North Vietnamese were provoked. McNamara responded, quote,
Speaker 3: our navy played absolutely no part in, was not associated with,
Speaker 3: or was not aware of any South Vietnamese actions if
Speaker 3: there were any. So if you enjoy logic, try following
Speaker 3: this alone. Nineteen forty six, the press employed McNamara's script
Speaker 3: is Gospel truth I think they meant to write nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty four. In two thousand and three, the press employed
Speaker 3: McNamara's revisions as the gospel truth. So even Wikipedia holds
Speaker 3: its revision. So here's a far more believable story. It
Speaker 3: involves McNamara in that ticker tape computer that predicted from
Speaker 3: the basement floor of the Pentagon back in nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: seven that the US had already won the war nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty five. They moved in together and became lifelong roommates.
Speaker 3: That robot was still passing McNamara intel back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and three. It's quite the story. Him and his
Speaker 3: computer so lies. And it's very difficult to know where
Speaker 3: one can even begin separating truth from the neighborhood of
Speaker 3: make believe. And that is the problem we as truth
Speaker 3: tellers really have, because everything is spun with at least
Speaker 3: a partial lie. So how about we follow the little
Speaker 3: red trolley to the line between North and South Vietnam. Okay,
Speaker 3: Because the United States likes to pretend there was something
Speaker 3: called the seventeenth Parallel. Sure, it was a temporary ceasefire
Speaker 3: boundary that was agreed upon in the nineteen fifty four
Speaker 3: Geneva Accord after the French Union was defeated at the
Speaker 3: Battle of Dnbnfu, but only to cushion the escape of
Speaker 3: those retreating French forces before national elections were held. Truth
Speaker 3: be told that boundary expired in nineteen fifty six. National elections,
Speaker 3: by the way, secured Ho Chi Minh into office over
Speaker 3: all of Vietnam, not just North Vietnam. And no surprise,
Speaker 3: this will shop, this will come to shock you. The
Speaker 3: United States ignored the election and created the Republic of Vietnam,
Speaker 3: appointing a puppet president whom the CIA had recruited out
Speaker 3: of New Jersey knowed in dm They then shipped American
Speaker 3: military advisors and a heavy dosage of weaponry to create
Speaker 3: its brand new CIA state. So again, there's a huge
Speaker 3: difference between the DMZ wedge between North and South Korea
Speaker 3: and the seventeenth Parallel in Vietnam. In Korea, the DMZ
Speaker 3: was agreed upon by all nations at the end of
Speaker 3: the conflict and has been in continual use since the
Speaker 3: twenty seventh of July nineteen fifty three. Now, Contrarily, the
Speaker 3: seventeenth Parallel was something which the United States could agree upon.
Speaker 3: They drew a line on a map, and then the
Speaker 3: CIA owned media reported it like fact. The Vietnamese government
Speaker 3: had every right to ignore the CIA's fictitious boundary mark.
Speaker 3: Americans don't typically like their indoctrination being trudged upon, And besides,
Speaker 3: by nineteen forty six, it was clear that the CIA's
Speaker 3: secret war had failed. The Vietnamese knew the American created
Speaker 3: government was a puppet. Their lie was imploding. America desperately
Speaker 3: needed a war, and in nineteen sixty four those plans
Speaker 3: were turned over to the Navy. Now here's the twist.
Speaker 3: Admiral George Stephen Morrison, who oversaw the Tonkin Hoax, was
Speaker 3: the father of legendary Door Singer's Jim Morrison. And I
Speaker 3: can't encourage you enough to read Weird Scenes Inside the
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon by Dave McGowan. They're still if you look
Speaker 3: hard enough. There are plenty of interviews on YouTube and
Speaker 3: Rumble with Dave McGowan. Unfortunately he passed I want to
Speaker 3: say sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen, might have
Speaker 3: been a little bit before that. But he's written some
Speaker 3: great books. But this one is very interesting. How all
Speaker 3: the groups that came out of Laurel Canyon in the sixties,
Speaker 3: all of these folks parents were in military intelligence, every
Speaker 3: last one of them. So Wikipedia feels obligated to tell
Speaker 3: you of the connection, though They even go as far
Speaker 3: as to provide a picture of a young, clean cut
Speaker 3: Jim Morrison on the bridge of the Bonham Richard with
Speaker 3: his father in January of nineteen sixty four. Now here's
Speaker 3: the catch. They will not provide you this information on
Speaker 3: Jim Morrison's page. Okay, only on George Morrison's page. That's
Speaker 3: probably likely because they understand full well that a fan
Speaker 3: of the doors could probably probably care less who Jim Morrison,
Speaker 3: John Densmore, Ray mad Zrich or Robbie Krieger's fathers were right.
Speaker 3: And it goes to show they will dangle some truth,
Speaker 3: but only if they are obliged to do so so,
Speaker 3: much like McNamara's propensity for deceit. Wikipedia knows you were
Speaker 3: handed a globe from the time you could walk, and
Speaker 3: therefore the likelihood of cognitive dissonance is high. So again
Speaker 3: Wikipedia can admit with a shrug that George Stephen Morrison
Speaker 3: is Jim Morrison's father and then say something of the
Speaker 3: admiral like quote he served as an instructor on nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons programs following the end of the war. Knowing such
Speaker 3: an admission will in all likelihood plant no red flag
Speaker 3: in your mind. The nuclear weapons program was a CIA
Speaker 3: operation and a hoax. But that again is something that
Speaker 3: we've touched on, and I'll leave that up to the listener.
Speaker 3: But Wikipedia knows that you will likely jolt over Admiral
Speaker 3: Morrison's relation to Jim as anyone would a speed bump, right,
Speaker 3: a strange oversight, you'll tell yourself something which can undoubtedly
Speaker 3: be attributed to the peculiar history of rock and roll
Speaker 3: and so many things during the sixties. And because George
Speaker 3: Morrison played his card and helped progress the agenda of
Speaker 3: the New World Order, his son was also progressed and
Speaker 3: handed tens of millions of dollars. And did he truly die?
Speaker 3: Is he part of the twenty seven club or did
Speaker 3: he because the story goes there was only two people
Speaker 3: at his funeral, his girlfriend and maybe a friend. It's
Speaker 3: one or two people. My mind is not too fresh.
Speaker 3: I haven't done that, but I think he died right
Speaker 3: around my birthday early and I don't think his father attended.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I think it was just
Speaker 3: his girlfriend. And a lot of people think he staged
Speaker 3: his death because listen, he was part of the club.
Speaker 3: Who knows. Again, that's all hyperbole. We just don't know.
Speaker 3: So let's kind of put a bow on this episode
Speaker 3: and get to Robert McNamara's infamous Project one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: premeditated crime against humanity. And this was written by Larry
Speaker 3: Romanoff in October of twenty nineteen. In this very long
Speaker 3: list of shocking and abominable atrocities committed by the US,
Speaker 3: there's one that stands out as especially obscene and evil
Speaker 3: for the appalling and hypocritical inhumanity of US government leaders.
Speaker 3: This was Project one hundred thousand, a US military program
Speaker 3: enacted by the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. What did
Speaker 3: they do. They wanted to recruit one hundred thousand new
Speaker 3: soldiers per year during a time of great public opposition
Speaker 3: to the Vietnam War. And it was promoted as part
Speaker 3: of President Johnson's War on Poverty. I told you there's
Speaker 3: always been war on something, war on drugs, war on poverty,
Speaker 3: war on terror, gives you an empty this blank checkbook. Now,
Speaker 3: in McNamara's own words, it was a program to salvage
Speaker 3: the poverty scarred youth in our society. Give them two
Speaker 3: years of military service, and then you can insert them
Speaker 3: into a lifetime of productive activity in American civilian society, unless,
Speaker 3: of course, they came back in a body bag. He
Speaker 3: further stated that poverty in America pock marks it's victims inwardly.
Speaker 3: If unchecked and unreversed, that inner ghetto and poverty scarred
Speaker 3: personality of these men confessed into explosive frustrations and bitterness
Speaker 3: and violence, chronic failures in school throughout their childhood. They're
Speaker 3: destined to a downward spiral of defeat and decay. If
Speaker 3: nothing were done to give them a strong sense of
Speaker 3: their own worth potential, they and their wives and their
Speaker 3: children would almost inevitably, inevitably be unproductive recipients of some
Speaker 3: form of the doll ten years from now. So unless
Speaker 3: they joined the military, they had no chance. This is
Speaker 3: what he was saying. So he was doing them a
Speaker 3: favor by sending them to Vietnam. He was saving their lives.
Speaker 3: This is the psychopath that's what he said. Hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of men can be salvaged from the blight of poverty,
Speaker 3: and the Defense Department with no detriment whatever to its
Speaker 3: primary role. Right now, that all sounds good, except that
Speaker 3: the program was initiated during a time when the US
Speaker 3: was realizing extreme high casualties in Vietnam had already admitted
Speaker 3: the war was unwinnable, with most suitable recruits either taking
Speaker 3: student deferments or evading the draft by fleeing to Canada.
Speaker 3: So McNamara's solution was run a sieve through the ghettos
Speaker 3: of America, you know, through the poor and you know,
Speaker 3: people who were struggling, and he dangled a carrot in
Speaker 3: front of him. You know, come on, uncle San, We'll
Speaker 3: save you. Right. So how he executed this program, he
Speaker 3: ended up lowering the standards to the point where these
Speaker 3: recruits were in the bottom quartile of intelligence and ability.
Speaker 3: We're talking IQs of sixty sixty one, sixty two, not
Speaker 3: one above eighty. So these new soldiers were functionally illiterate,
Speaker 3: able to read only at grade three level or lower.
Speaker 3: They were so severely educationally deficient that the military had
Speaker 3: to create little comic books to replace their TMS, their
Speaker 3: training manuals, and many had been taught even how to
Speaker 3: tie the laces on their boots. As other noted authors
Speaker 3: have noted, these men often failed. They're much simplified basic
Speaker 3: training several times, with most being repeatedly recycled, and that
Speaker 3: is not a denigrating term. Recycle means that there's eight
Speaker 3: weeks in basic training. Each marine's different, Air Force is different,
Speaker 3: but each you have different weeks, and if you fail
Speaker 3: a certain week, then you go to another unit who's
Speaker 3: a week behind, and you redo that week. You don't
Speaker 3: start all the way over from the beginning of basic training,
Speaker 3: but you recycle. That's the term that was used. I
Speaker 3: think we had two or three soldiers recycled. Maybe one
Speaker 3: or two couldn't pass their PT tests, maybe one couldn't
Speaker 3: qualify on the range, but they literally could not meet
Speaker 3: minimum standard of readiness, thus putting that person in harm's
Speaker 3: way and the people around him. That's something that should
Speaker 3: be noted. Unfortunately, not had the mental ability to really
Speaker 3: appreciate what was going on with them. This program ran
Speaker 3: for five years, recruited a total about five hundred thousand
Speaker 3: that should not have been put in the military right.
Speaker 3: Gave these young men a one way ticket. Think about
Speaker 3: a one way ticket to Vietnam. These helpless men dying
Speaker 3: many times the rate of the regular soldiers. Now, many
Speaker 3: researchers have claimed that an overwhelming majority of these men
Speaker 3: received combat assignments okay, and they were also provided with
Speaker 3: a special dog tag that began their serial number began
Speaker 3: with US sixty seven, and that is so that they
Speaker 3: could be quickly identified by other soldiers. Right. By all accounts,
Speaker 3: the regular troops did not want to be associated with
Speaker 3: this men, not in battle situations, believing that their lack
Speaker 3: of intelligence and training it simply jeopardized the lives of
Speaker 3: those around them. It wasn't personal. Many have reported that
Speaker 3: when battlefield decisions were being made, given that these men
Speaker 3: were unable to learn anything much more complicated than pulling
Speaker 3: a trigger, that were just sent to their deaths. Right,
Speaker 3: one young Vietnam vent reported that a common order issue
Speaker 3: to these young men was go over and see if
Speaker 3: there's a sniper in that tree. And this is a
Speaker 3: time when US casually figures mushroomed. After the introduction of
Speaker 3: this program, the victims of which were simply cannon fodder
Speaker 3: and is probably a high probability. American deaths in Vietnam
Speaker 3: were grossly underreported. And that is where we get to
Speaker 3: the point where there are many stories. And again I
Speaker 3: encourage you to take your time to do your research.
Speaker 3: Don't use Google for goodness sake, but to look at
Speaker 3: all the people who never returned. One such organization states
Speaker 3: that the Vietnam War presents multiple challenged historians due to
Speaker 3: official discrepancies with draft numbers, contention over official number of
Speaker 3: soldiers deployed, and a general lack of transparency from the
Speaker 3: US government during the war, leading to possible misinformation in
Speaker 3: historical records. In other words, one could say that the
Speaker 3: official sources of basic statistics as to the actual number
Speaker 3: of men recruited, the numbers sent to Vietnam, and the
Speaker 3: number who died there are either missing, sometimes contradictory, wildly inaccurate,
Speaker 3: and the US military exercises only obstruction to those interested
Speaker 3: in remedying the situation. Also, without internet, mobile phones, no
Speaker 3: social networking capability, the parents of these men would have
Speaker 3: no way of knowing the huge number of casualties from
Speaker 3: within their group. Back in I think it was two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, right there was the HBO movie Path
Speaker 3: to War. Hollywood actually tried to humanize Robert McNamara while
Speaker 3: entirely overlooking this most heinous of cs. Just an evil guy.
Speaker 3: And just see, we're going to take this story and
Speaker 3: make them into this guy who's just struggling. He was
Speaker 3: in an awkward position. He did the best he could.
Speaker 3: It's and listen for those who may not believe the story.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's out there, it's officially observed. But they
Speaker 3: did something in a similar context during the surge in Iraq,
Speaker 3: right that they didn't necessarily lower the IQ. Now, they
Speaker 3: did lower GT scores, right, and they allowed more waivers
Speaker 3: if you had one felony, if it wasn't of a
Speaker 3: certain I don't remember. This is back in twenty years
Speaker 3: ago almost now, which is hard to believe in itself,
Speaker 3: but they were allowing people to serve in the military,
Speaker 3: and now a lot of those people are senior n CEOs,
Speaker 3: and you know, I hope and pray that their moral
Speaker 3: compass has been fixed. Everybody makes mistakes, but you do
Speaker 3: roll the dice when you allow, you know, people who
Speaker 3: may not normally may not normally pardon hold on, who
Speaker 3: may not normally be allowed to serve with all these
Speaker 3: waivers just because you're short on numbers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of the most heinous things that I've
Speaker 3: ever read. And obviously you have the white Phosphorus in
Speaker 3: Fallujah and you know, in the first decade of this millennia,
Speaker 3: so many things to cover, and that's why we do this,
Speaker 3: you know, I do hope and I pray that you
Speaker 3: take this information, share it with others, and make them
Speaker 3: where because it's going to come about again. All these
Speaker 3: things recycle, all of them do, just in different shapes,
Speaker 3: different colors, different sizes, but they reused these plans over
Speaker 3: and over again. And a lot of the things we
Speaker 3: talked about today happened in a similar fashion during the
Speaker 3: first twenty five years of the two thousands, whether it
Speaker 3: be COVID, whether you know, making exceptions for people to
Speaker 3: join the military. So I want to end this podcast
Speaker 3: today with an article that was written by Sheldon Richmond
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago. And obviously that was twenty five
Speaker 3: years closer to the end of the war than it
Speaker 3: is today, which is hard to believe. Right. I remember
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six, that's one of my earliest vivid memories.
Speaker 3: July fourth, nineteen seventy six. It was the two hundred
Speaker 3: year anniversary of our independence, right, and there was all
Speaker 3: kinds of parades and fireworks. It was a big event.
Speaker 3: But you have to remember, you know, Vietnam had only
Speaker 3: been what Sigon was a year before, so our country
Speaker 3: was still in the process of healing, and our economy
Speaker 3: was wrecked on the heels of the gas shortages, and
Speaker 3: the cities were still a mess. It was a very
Speaker 3: tricky time. And then you know, the eighties came and
Speaker 3: the world changed a lot. It really did a complete
Speaker 3: one eighty some for the good, some for the not
Speaker 3: so good. You know. That is really when they started
Speaker 3: to get rid of the mental facilities for people, and
Speaker 3: they kicked them out and they put them into jails.
Speaker 3: You know, those people in the winter, they would rather
Speaker 3: be in a prison cell, getting three hots and a cot,
Speaker 3: as they say, than living on the streets. And a
Speaker 3: lot of the things this country has done is backwards.
Speaker 3: And I hope you will tune in to the radio
Speaker 3: show Thursday, because I got an email a couple hours
Speaker 3: ago from a listener who is living in the California area,
Speaker 3: and I wrote a tremendous email that I'm going to
Speaker 3: save and share for Thursday, and right, we have to
Speaker 3: do a better job of holding these people accountable. And
Speaker 3: I know I say that almost every week, but we
Speaker 3: have to it sometime. Put a stop to this nonsense.
Speaker 3: But let's wrap this up. The Vietnam War was a
Speaker 3: moral The twenty fifth anniversary of the end of the
Speaker 3: war in Vietnam has evoked some curious responses. Two things
Speaker 3: in particular are worth noting. Some aging baby boomers are
Speaker 3: writhing in guilt because they managed to avoid military duty
Speaker 3: during the war. Chris Matthews, the host of Harball, is
Speaker 3: one of those emotive to that effect more than once.
Speaker 3: Why should anyone feel guilty? The hidden premise here is
Speaker 3: that when the government calls on you to do something,
Speaker 3: you have a moral obligation to do so. When stated outright,
Speaker 3: it usually put in terms one's country calling, right, But
Speaker 3: it is never the country that calls. It is the government.
Speaker 3: In this case of Vietnam, it was LBJ. Dean Rusk,
Speaker 3: Robert McNamara, Richard Nixon, and oh yes, let us not
Speaker 3: forget Henry Kissinger. A call by those dishonest social engineers.
Speaker 3: Doesn't sound so impressive, now, does it. In light of
Speaker 3: America's individualists and libertarian heritage, it is inappropriate to say
Speaker 3: that least, that the government should have the power to
Speaker 3: decree that young men put their lives on hold. In
Speaker 3: many cases, forever to trot off to a jungle ten
Speaker 3: thousand miles away to become parties to a war that
Speaker 3: was remote as could be. That draft in itself was
Speaker 3: un American. At the height of the war, which the
Speaker 3: United States entered in secrecy and dishonestly Gulf of Tonkin,
Speaker 3: no one seriously thought that a I mean is victory
Speaker 3: in Vietnam would endanger the American people and did it. No.
Speaker 3: The most anyone predicted was that the US allied Japan
Speaker 3: would be at risk, which, of course it wasn't. The
Speaker 3: Domino theory was also falsified. Japan remained free of the Communists,
Speaker 3: along with Thailand, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand. Meanwhile, the unified
Speaker 3: Vietnam fought Red China an invaded fellow communist country Cambodia,
Speaker 3: ruled by the murderous tyrant Pol Pot And that is
Speaker 3: a gentleman. I don't think I've done a podcast on
Speaker 3: to this day. I know we've mentioned him before, but
Speaker 3: he needs to be discussed, right. But you know, Thailand, Philippines, Australia,
Speaker 3: New Zealand, none of them were really affected. Now, some
Speaker 3: of the guilt ridden war voiders feel bad that because
Speaker 3: they didn't go, someone did and died. Okay, or perhaps died,
Speaker 3: we should say, right, And that is something that I
Speaker 3: hear a lot as well. Right, this is really unwarranted
Speaker 3: of shoulding that shouldering that responsibility. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how great of an analogy this is,
Speaker 3: but if you lock your doors and a burglars skip
Speaker 3: your house and breaks into your neighbor's house, you're not
Speaker 3: responsible for that crime, right the burglars are Likewise, if
Speaker 3: you prevent the politicians from treating you like cannon fodder
Speaker 3: and they victimize someone else, they are responsible for that crime. Okay. Thus,
Speaker 3: no one who avoided the war on the grounds that
Speaker 3: had better things to do with their life. And listen,
Speaker 3: while you're processing all this, remember if something happened and
Speaker 3: they started a draft, which many of us were worried
Speaker 3: about last year, let's be f things were ramping up
Speaker 3: that maybe they were talking about a draft to start
Speaker 3: sending our sons and daughters to Ukraine. I have been
Speaker 3: very clear that there is no chance on God's green
Speaker 3: earth would I allow them to go. Okay, if that
Speaker 3: makes me some old deadbeat hippie, so be it. Okay,
Speaker 3: because there is no threat on the country. Right if
Speaker 3: a country invaded, we're dropping bombs overhead. I would be
Speaker 3: the first one, and I've said this many times, to
Speaker 3: defend my family in my country, at my old, broken age,
Speaker 3: broken body, I would do whatever. But this nonsense of
Speaker 3: we have to go to Iraq to stop them from
Speaker 3: their weapons of mass destruction. The fodder of nineteen guys
Speaker 3: and a man in a cave in two thousand and
Speaker 3: one orchestrated the greatest strike on American soil Oklahoma City
Speaker 3: nineteen nine five, Waco ninety three, the eighties. You name it, Libya.
Speaker 3: You knew that Vietnam was wrong, and you knew the
Speaker 3: United States had no business of being there. You should
Speaker 3: not be the least bit ashamed of what you did, Okay.
Speaker 3: No other reaction that discrews that deserves scrutiny, is this, okay?
Speaker 3: When the United States left Vietnam, the North Vietnamese invaded
Speaker 3: the South and established a communist tyranny. Therefore the United
Speaker 3: States was right to have fought. That's a non sequitor, okay,
Speaker 3: And support of this argument, various ex communists termed neocons,
Speaker 3: such as David Horroritz we'll say that we were wrong
Speaker 3: when we said a North Vietnamese victory in the United
Speaker 3: States and South Vietnamese would being peace and freedom. Okay.
Speaker 3: The problem with that argument is the case against US
Speaker 3: intervention in Vietnam did not depend on the absurd view
Speaker 3: that Ho Chi Minh was a Vietnamese Thomas Jefferson right,
Speaker 3: whether it was libertarian or non Leftif critics of the war,
Speaker 3: building their case on the principles of the old Robert
Speaker 3: Taft wing of the Republican Party, argued that US intervention
Speaker 3: was wrong, regardless of host Philophecy philosophy. By the way,
Speaker 3: he was a national communist. Right, So why was intervention
Speaker 3: wrong if it would have prevented communists in South Vietnam. Well,
Speaker 3: it was wrong, is suggested above, because it violated the
Speaker 3: rights of American not to be cannon fodden for American politicians. Right,
Speaker 3: it was wrong because it was not our business to
Speaker 3: pick up the colonial mantle that was dropped by the
Speaker 3: French in nineteen fifty four the defeated French. I should
Speaker 3: add that does not bear American responsibility. It was wrong
Speaker 3: because savagely bombing people on the other side of the
Speaker 3: world who were of absolutely no threat to US. Was
Speaker 3: one hundred percent wrong. None of that changed by the
Speaker 3: fact that the North Vietnamese imposed in an abominable dictatorship
Speaker 3: in the United States left. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: had we stayed out South Vietnam would very likely have
Speaker 3: been in a better position to repulse the communists of
Speaker 3: the North and their agents in the South. Okay, this
Speaker 3: war was a more, It was unconstitutional, Congress never declared war.
Speaker 3: It sent over fifty eight thousand young American men to
Speaker 3: their graves, along with some two to three million Vietnamese,
Speaker 3: and it did accelerate the decline of American liberty and
Speaker 3: the growth of the government. And that is a pretty
Speaker 3: damning indictment. And we're going to stop there today. My friends.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to process, and I hope you take
Speaker 3: the time to look into these things that we spoken
Speaker 3: about and again reach your own conclusions. And whatever conclusion
Speaker 3: you've reached, I urge that you share this information with
Speaker 3: your friends and your family, let them know that maybe
Speaker 3: there's an outside chance that this government is not looking
Speaker 3: out for your best entrance. I pray that everyone is warm, safe, healthy,
Speaker 3: and happy. January can be a lot of it can
Speaker 3: be a difficult month for a lot of people. A
Speaker 3: lot of people want to put on a good Christmas
Speaker 3: for the family. And you know the bills coming in January.
Speaker 3: You know it's cold, snow, not a lot of sun.
Speaker 3: Keep a smile on your face. Remember that Jesus loves you.
Speaker 3: And I just want to thank each and every one
Speaker 3: of you for your continued support over these last five years.
Speaker 3: As we put our head down and we drive on.
Speaker 3: And that's it for today, folks. We'll see Thursday at
Speaker 3: noon Eastern time. God bless you all. Have a wonderful
Speaker 3: a week. Be careful, be safe, and keep your head
Speaker 3: on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know you've had some pain.
Speaker 2: I know you feeling tired.
Speaker 4: Tell down about all the way. Yeah, I know you're
Speaker 4: feeling you smile.
Speaker 2: Ain't the same.
Speaker 1: I saw you way to.
Speaker 2: Go from here.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 2: You've lost your way. Don't give it.
Speaker 3: No, don't give it, and never is home. Don't let
Speaker 3: call the primise.
Speaker 5: It ain't done yet.
Speaker 3: He's got im plaid.
Speaker 5: Why it's a way time?
Speaker 2: God up? Why wait?
Speaker 1: I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting
Speaker 1: up the five.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're stronger than a thing.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead
Speaker 4: bound beautiful you're shoving ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, you can hold your head
Speaker 1: a pie.
Speaker 5: Don't give up, No, don't give in, Never loss home.
Speaker 5: Don't let gone on the prime me ain't done yet,
Speaker 5: it's gone up. Let why it's a way tail? The
Speaker 5: God of maby come, don't give up. No, don't give
Speaker 5: in you never love home, don't let go on the
Speaker 5: primise It ain't GONI like it's worth living? Why's your
Speaker 5: way tail?
Speaker 2: The god of baby Colt?
Speaker 5: Why surprase down? God steaming cold?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, why s pray down?
Speaker 5: The God of baby Colt? Oh yeah, got steam cold?
Speaker 2: Oh, don't give up, No, don't give in, never lose home?
Speaker 5: Do they go off the crowd?
Speaker 1: I mess, I made a donys got a plane watching,
Speaker 1: God of if it comes, and don't give up, no
Speaker 1: dog giving, never hold, don't let go of the crimes,
Speaker 1: getting done, lovers forth, living, Watson and done, the God
Speaker 1: of every cos.
Speaker 2: All, the God of needs watch done, the God of a.
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