WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.480 I talked extensively about new rules that were just approved 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:07.240 by the Public Utilities Commission. And if you think electricity 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.759 is expensive now, just you wait, because it is about 4 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:15.919 to get really, really expensive. And I'm very happy to 5 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.600 announce that the House Republican Caucus. 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.480 Has said enough is enough. They have sent a letter to. 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.760 The PUC and I wish that I thought that would 8 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.800 do anything, but maybe Assistant House Minority Leader Ty Winter 9 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:29.359 will convince me that it will do something. 10 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:31.039 Ty welcome back to the show. 11 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.039 First of all, well, thanks for having me, and we 12 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:36.840 hope you had a good Thanksgiving. And you know what 13 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.520 a gift to get in December than this mess that's 14 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:40.079 coming our way. 15 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.439 Oh my goodness, I saw this yesterday. And don't get 16 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.960 me wrong, we all know that Governor Jared Polis believes 17 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.119 that this state can run on unicorn farts and sunshine, 18 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.520 and he is determined to shove renewable energy down our throats, 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.799 regardless of the fact that it's been shown. 20 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.799 Around the world to call far more to run. 21 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:05.599 On renewables than it does on abundant and cheap fossil fuels. 22 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:08.840 But what exactly did you guys see in these rules 23 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.040 that you found the most egregious. 24 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.239 You know, for me, I'm going to speak from a 25 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:17.319 Rule representative's perspective. Down here where we're at, there's times 26 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:18.760 that you can get a blizzard out here on the 27 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.000 eastern Plains and it'll knock power out for two or 28 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:23.719 three days. I have an aging community down here, and 29 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:25.640 to think that if they forced them to go to 30 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.400 all electric appliances, and to think that Miss Jones can't 31 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.319 heat her house. There's times that even the National Guard 32 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.760 can't get to these people because there's snow, snow snowed 33 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.319 in on these farms and ranches. So it's a safety thing, 34 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.480 you know, for me first and foremost. I mean, don't 35 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.359 get me wrong, I think it's an energy choice thing. 36 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.519 I think, you know, natural gas is the way to go. 37 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.799 I come from lost Animous County, other than Wild County 38 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.439 is one, you know, one of the biggest producing counties 39 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.000 for you know, COVID methane. But at the end of 40 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.079 the day, it's a safety concern for me. In Rule Colorado, 41 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:56.959 we need to be able to use propane, we need 42 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.599 to have those type of appliances in our homes, and 43 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.439 it's based off the safety choice. Next, But for me, 44 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:03.000 it's safety. 45 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.480 Well, I mean representative winters. I am. 46 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.280 I have been looking and watching and I'm telling you 47 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.560 that I think this is a huge part of what 48 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.000 should be in the Republican messaging going into the next 49 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.960 election cycle. And if you look around the world, and 50 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.479 I'm I'm going to focus like a laser on Germany. 51 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.240 Germany is the largest economy in the EU and they 52 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.240 have been in recession or near recession for the past 53 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.199 few years while everybody else around the world is recovering. 54 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.800 And part of the reason is that they have gone 55 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.879 to renewable energy. They've even gone so far as to 56 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.759 shut down perfectly fine nuclear plants, and all they've done 57 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.879 is accomplished two things. Number One, Germany's electricity rates are insane. 58 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:47.199 They're the highest in the world for a developed nation. 59 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:52.199 And they have destroyed the economy of Germany, absolutely gutted it. 60 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.199 Because when your electricity rates are through the roof, who 61 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:57.879 wants to bring their industry there? And that's for me, 62 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.800 is the big talking point, like we we already know 63 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.120 how this is going to go, and yet we are 64 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.719 pursuing the same failed policies that have destroyed the economy 65 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:10.240 of Germany and we're going to do that here in Colorado. 66 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:12.280 So I would love for you guys to pick up 67 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:14.319 that part of the messaging because that's when you get 68 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:15.840 the business community engaged. 69 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.560 Yes, ma'am, you're one hundred percent correct, and we saw something, 70 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:21.520 especially over the last year. So I'm going into my 71 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.159 fourth year in the building. But I've seen this problem grow, 72 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.360 but I've seen the support against this problem grow. So 73 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.400 we've been working with labor. I mean, labor's disgusted because 74 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.960 they're seeing their good paying jobs. He shipped out of 75 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:35.680 the state. And actually I was talking to one of 76 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.280 the men that worked in labor and he's like, we 77 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.599 are losing members to other states because first and foremost, 78 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:42.680 we see like commands, see shutting down in Pueblo. We've 79 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.080 seen what's happening Prague. That's a disaster. We've seen what's 80 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:47.919 happened to oil and gas. Like I said, I'm from 81 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.319 Los Anemos County. This's killed tons of jobs and killed 82 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.199 the community. So it's killed and their agenda's killed jobs 83 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.319 and killed communities. We've lost the severance tax revenue that 84 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.599 we pump into our roads and schools, and not just 85 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.840 him going on in gas communities. It's went around state wide, 86 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.080 and now we're going to tell people that we're going 87 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.479 to tell you how to heat your home. We're going 88 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.840 to make you pay ten times more because of this 89 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.840 Pie and the Sky idea that we have. Mandy, We've 90 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.919 been beating this drum and we've been talking about this 91 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.319 message quite a bit. We've had the business community come 92 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.279 in to hearings and say, based on your clean air 93 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.959 and agenda, we have people not only leaving this state 94 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.000 that's business, but we have people that want to move 95 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.959 into this state, that want to put chipbuilding factories and 96 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:29.879 so many other things, but they don't know where the 97 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.680 state's going to go. So they're not going to invest time, money, energy, 98 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.319 and to bring employees into these states. So I've said 99 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:37.399 it from the well numerous times. You may have your 100 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.879 clean energy agenda, but wouldn't you think about back and 101 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.000 off of it and get the state back on its feet. 102 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.160 You brought up Europe. We have a president who wants 103 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.240 to basically geopolitically shut Rush out of the world, and 104 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.079 the reason he wants to do that is he wants 105 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.240 to sell compress natural gas to European countries so they 106 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.439 don't have to get their energy from Russia. We sit 107 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.279 in one of the states, the best natural gas in 108 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.439 the country, and we're totally missing the butter our workers, 109 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.800 for safety, for our people, for tax dollars, and for 110 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.319 being able to run the state, all based off of 111 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.560 you're in America. We're buying solar panels that are made 112 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.240 by coal plants in China. We're buying windmill parts that 113 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.399 are made and then we're putting them up in America, 114 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.079 and we'll feeling good about ourselves and really, we're not 115 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.800 doing anything to save the planet. It's out of side, 116 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:24.000 out of mind politics. 117 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.439 You just made a perfect point right there when you 118 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.639 said we're not doing anything to save the planet. And 119 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.040 these are the kinds of questions that I would like 120 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.920 to see the PUC address. Question number one, what exactly 121 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:39.040 are these emissions controls going to How exactly is that 122 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.600 going to impact worldwide global warming? 123 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.240 I'd like to know the answer to that question. 124 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.600 I'd like to know what exactly they believe they're going 125 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.480 to be able to do when we're trying to wo 126 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:52.759 things like AI and technology, when we're essentially saying we're 127 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:56.279 not going to be able to supply you reliable energy right, 128 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.000 because renewables are not reliable. So we're either going to 129 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.839 have to back up all the renewable energy with oil 130 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.800 and gas or nuclear or whatever, or we're going to 131 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.240 have to say to industry, we can't. You can't come 132 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.959 to Colorado and expect the energy to be there when 133 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.399 you need it. The notion that somehow we are going 134 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.720 to have this massive green economy has already been proven 135 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.920 to be a lie. Why can't What does the puc 136 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.040 as say about any of these questions? 137 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:23.959 You know, to be honest with you, the governor appoints 138 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.959 the puc and you brought it up in your opening. 139 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.319 It's it's the agenda. And it goes back to we've 140 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.800 asked for crazy a little grave studies. If you could 141 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.480 tell me how many metric tons of coal it takes 142 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.720 to create these things in the carbon footprint to get 143 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.800 them here and get them set on the pads. If 144 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.160 you can show those to me and they make sense, 145 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.079 numbers wise to be able to kill our jobs, kill 146 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.959 our economy, take away from our schools, then I'll have 147 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.360 that conversation. But I don't think the numbers are there. 148 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.040 I mean, you know, and I'm a huge nuclear proponent 149 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:53.920 the three years that I've been there, I've worked on 150 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.879 you know, three different nuclear bills, and I believe, I 151 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.160 believe it well asked. I want to keep that going 152 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.199 for our economy. We see where this is going. So 153 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.519 we obviously have to set up because at the end 154 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.879 of the day, if the lights ever go out, don't 155 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.120 think that all the power gets pumped to the urban 156 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.199 areas and my people are going to be left literally 157 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.920 in the dark. So I want to make sure we 158 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.480 have firm, reliable energy. But I can't live with the 159 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.600 fact is is, you know, we're running this state based 160 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.680 off the climate goals that aren't making a difference because 161 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.399 at the end of the day, the products that they're 162 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.000 buying to put into our state or just polluting another 163 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.639 part of the world, or being mined by child slave 164 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.600 labor in another part of the world. And it may 165 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.879 feel good here, but it don't feel good to me 166 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.279 when I know that we're polluting another part of the world. 167 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.199 We're doing it on the backs of kids, and then 168 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.199 we're doing it on the backs of our constituents who 169 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.920 want to go to work in mind cold, they want 170 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.439 to go to work, and they want to pump oil 171 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.680 and gas they want to feed their families with good 172 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.600 paying blue collar jobs, and they want to power the 173 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.319 economy of this state. And we have a state government 174 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.920 that decide to be run by the enviros, run by 175 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.480 the envirol lobby, and they're in there making a mess 176 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.639 of our state. And right now, with what we're seeing 177 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.399 in the state, this isn't the time to be playing 178 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:04.399 games with livelihoods and now literally people's lives when they 179 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.079 can't either afford to heat their home. Mandy, A quarter 180 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.279 of Coloradoans are already on heat assistance. You only cow 181 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.079 into that number. This number is gonna fly. I mean, 182 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.120 this number is going to go through the roof. So 183 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.560 I mean, and there's been some studies done. I mean, 184 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.680 I don't know exactly the pulling data, but over fifty 185 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.639 percent of Colorados still want to be able to use 186 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.600 natural gas heat. So I just think that this is 187 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.360 one more, one more example of government being done to you, 188 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.839 not for you. They're not listening to the voice of 189 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.559 the people. And unfortunately, there's a lot of legislators in 190 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.600 that building that think that they know better than you 191 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.399 because they were elected by you. And that's totally not fun. 192 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.399 We'll leave this interview with these statistics. I just pulled 193 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.600 up right now. The average kill awat hour for electricity 194 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.480 is about fourteen It's fourteen dollars and eighty four cents. 195 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.840 In Germany it is oh, excuse me, kill a wat hour. 196 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.159 No wait, fourteen cents per kilowat hour. In Germany it 197 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:02.000 is forty four cents. So it is three times what 198 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.879 we pay here. So if you were to power bills 199 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.080 to go up three times, then we should just continue 200 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.519 down this path. Assistant House Minority Leader ty Winter, I 201 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:10.679 appreciate your time today. 202 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.320 Thank you, Mandy. I appreciate you keep fighting the good fight. 203 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.679 And you know what, this is a call to the House. 204 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.399 Republicans need the people of Colorado to get behind them. 205 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.000 What happens in that building is a simple numbers game. 206 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.080 There's more of us in there or more of them 207 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.000 in there than us, and we need to get this 208 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:27.919 message out to the people of Colorado. And you're doing 209 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:29.840 your part. We're going to keep doing our part, and 210 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.600 we're just asking our constituents and the cavalry to talk 211 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.000 to your friends and neighbors, let them know what's happening 212 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.440 to our state and let them know the way we 213 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:37.879 fix that is at the ballot box. 214 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.200 All right, Thanks toy Winter. We'll talk to you again soon. 215 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:41.200 Thank you.