Speaker 1: I talked extensively about new rules that were just approved
Speaker 1: by the Public Utilities Commission. And if you think electricity
Speaker 1: is expensive now, just you wait, because it is about
Speaker 1: to get really, really expensive. And I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: announce that the House Republican Caucus.
Speaker 2: Has said enough is enough. They have sent a letter to.
Speaker 1: The PUC and I wish that I thought that would
Speaker 1: do anything, but maybe Assistant House Minority Leader Ty Winter
Speaker 1: will convince me that it will do something.
Speaker 2: Ty welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: First of all, well, thanks for having me, and we
Speaker 3: hope you had a good Thanksgiving. And you know what
Speaker 3: a gift to get in December than this mess that's
Speaker 3: coming our way.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I saw this yesterday. And don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, we all know that Governor Jared Polis believes
Speaker 1: that this state can run on unicorn farts and sunshine,
Speaker 1: and he is determined to shove renewable energy down our throats,
Speaker 1: regardless of the fact that it's been shown.
Speaker 2: Around the world to call far more to run.
Speaker 1: On renewables than it does on abundant and cheap fossil fuels.
Speaker 1: But what exactly did you guys see in these rules
Speaker 1: that you found the most egregious.
Speaker 3: You know, for me, I'm going to speak from a
Speaker 3: Rule representative's perspective. Down here where we're at, there's times
Speaker 3: that you can get a blizzard out here on the
Speaker 3: eastern Plains and it'll knock power out for two or
Speaker 3: three days. I have an aging community down here, and
Speaker 3: to think that if they forced them to go to
Speaker 3: all electric appliances, and to think that Miss Jones can't
Speaker 3: heat her house. There's times that even the National Guard
Speaker 3: can't get to these people because there's snow, snow snowed
Speaker 3: in on these farms and ranches. So it's a safety thing,
Speaker 3: you know, for me first and foremost. I mean, don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, I think it's an energy choice thing.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, natural gas is the way to go.
Speaker 3: I come from lost Animous County, other than Wild County
Speaker 3: is one, you know, one of the biggest producing counties
Speaker 3: for you know, COVID methane. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it's a safety concern for me. In Rule Colorado,
Speaker 3: we need to be able to use propane, we need
Speaker 3: to have those type of appliances in our homes, and
Speaker 3: it's based off the safety choice. Next, But for me,
Speaker 3: it's safety.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean representative winters. I am.
Speaker 1: I have been looking and watching and I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that I think this is a huge part of what
Speaker 1: should be in the Republican messaging going into the next
Speaker 1: election cycle. And if you look around the world, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to focus like a laser on Germany.
Speaker 1: Germany is the largest economy in the EU and they
Speaker 1: have been in recession or near recession for the past
Speaker 1: few years while everybody else around the world is recovering.
Speaker 1: And part of the reason is that they have gone
Speaker 1: to renewable energy. They've even gone so far as to
Speaker 1: shut down perfectly fine nuclear plants, and all they've done
Speaker 1: is accomplished two things. Number One, Germany's electricity rates are insane.
Speaker 1: They're the highest in the world for a developed nation.
Speaker 1: And they have destroyed the economy of Germany, absolutely gutted it.
Speaker 1: Because when your electricity rates are through the roof, who
Speaker 1: wants to bring their industry there? And that's for me,
Speaker 1: is the big talking point, like we we already know
Speaker 1: how this is going to go, and yet we are
Speaker 1: pursuing the same failed policies that have destroyed the economy
Speaker 1: of Germany and we're going to do that here in Colorado.
Speaker 1: So I would love for you guys to pick up
Speaker 1: that part of the messaging because that's when you get
Speaker 1: the business community engaged.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, you're one hundred percent correct, and we saw something,
Speaker 3: especially over the last year. So I'm going into my
Speaker 3: fourth year in the building. But I've seen this problem grow,
Speaker 3: but I've seen the support against this problem grow. So
Speaker 3: we've been working with labor. I mean, labor's disgusted because
Speaker 3: they're seeing their good paying jobs. He shipped out of
Speaker 3: the state. And actually I was talking to one of
Speaker 3: the men that worked in labor and he's like, we
Speaker 3: are losing members to other states because first and foremost,
Speaker 3: we see like commands, see shutting down in Pueblo. We've
Speaker 3: seen what's happening Prague. That's a disaster. We've seen what's
Speaker 3: happened to oil and gas. Like I said, I'm from
Speaker 3: Los Anemos County. This's killed tons of jobs and killed
Speaker 3: the community. So it's killed and their agenda's killed jobs
Speaker 3: and killed communities. We've lost the severance tax revenue that
Speaker 3: we pump into our roads and schools, and not just
Speaker 3: him going on in gas communities. It's went around state wide,
Speaker 3: and now we're going to tell people that we're going
Speaker 3: to tell you how to heat your home. We're going
Speaker 3: to make you pay ten times more because of this
Speaker 3: Pie and the Sky idea that we have. Mandy, We've
Speaker 3: been beating this drum and we've been talking about this
Speaker 3: message quite a bit. We've had the business community come
Speaker 3: in to hearings and say, based on your clean air
Speaker 3: and agenda, we have people not only leaving this state
Speaker 3: that's business, but we have people that want to move
Speaker 3: into this state, that want to put chipbuilding factories and
Speaker 3: so many other things, but they don't know where the
Speaker 3: state's going to go. So they're not going to invest time, money, energy,
Speaker 3: and to bring employees into these states. So I've said
Speaker 3: it from the well numerous times. You may have your
Speaker 3: clean energy agenda, but wouldn't you think about back and
Speaker 3: off of it and get the state back on its feet.
Speaker 3: You brought up Europe. We have a president who wants
Speaker 3: to basically geopolitically shut Rush out of the world, and
Speaker 3: the reason he wants to do that is he wants
Speaker 3: to sell compress natural gas to European countries so they
Speaker 3: don't have to get their energy from Russia. We sit
Speaker 3: in one of the states, the best natural gas in
Speaker 3: the country, and we're totally missing the butter our workers,
Speaker 3: for safety, for our people, for tax dollars, and for
Speaker 3: being able to run the state, all based off of
Speaker 3: you're in America. We're buying solar panels that are made
Speaker 3: by coal plants in China. We're buying windmill parts that
Speaker 3: are made and then we're putting them up in America,
Speaker 3: and we'll feeling good about ourselves and really, we're not
Speaker 3: doing anything to save the planet. It's out of side,
Speaker 3: out of mind politics.
Speaker 1: You just made a perfect point right there when you
Speaker 1: said we're not doing anything to save the planet. And
Speaker 1: these are the kinds of questions that I would like
Speaker 1: to see the PUC address. Question number one, what exactly
Speaker 1: are these emissions controls going to How exactly is that
Speaker 1: going to impact worldwide global warming?
Speaker 2: I'd like to know the answer to that question.
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what exactly they believe they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to do when we're trying to wo
Speaker 1: things like AI and technology, when we're essentially saying we're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to supply you reliable energy right,
Speaker 1: because renewables are not reliable. So we're either going to
Speaker 1: have to back up all the renewable energy with oil
Speaker 1: and gas or nuclear or whatever, or we're going to
Speaker 1: have to say to industry, we can't. You can't come
Speaker 1: to Colorado and expect the energy to be there when
Speaker 1: you need it. The notion that somehow we are going
Speaker 1: to have this massive green economy has already been proven
Speaker 1: to be a lie. Why can't What does the puc
Speaker 1: as say about any of these questions?
Speaker 3: You know, to be honest with you, the governor appoints
Speaker 3: the puc and you brought it up in your opening.
Speaker 3: It's it's the agenda. And it goes back to we've
Speaker 3: asked for crazy a little grave studies. If you could
Speaker 3: tell me how many metric tons of coal it takes
Speaker 3: to create these things in the carbon footprint to get
Speaker 3: them here and get them set on the pads. If
Speaker 3: you can show those to me and they make sense,
Speaker 3: numbers wise to be able to kill our jobs, kill
Speaker 3: our economy, take away from our schools, then I'll have
Speaker 3: that conversation. But I don't think the numbers are there.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and I'm a huge nuclear proponent
Speaker 3: the three years that I've been there, I've worked on
Speaker 3: you know, three different nuclear bills, and I believe, I
Speaker 3: believe it well asked. I want to keep that going
Speaker 3: for our economy. We see where this is going. So
Speaker 3: we obviously have to set up because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, if the lights ever go out, don't
Speaker 3: think that all the power gets pumped to the urban
Speaker 3: areas and my people are going to be left literally
Speaker 3: in the dark. So I want to make sure we
Speaker 3: have firm, reliable energy. But I can't live with the
Speaker 3: fact is is, you know, we're running this state based
Speaker 3: off the climate goals that aren't making a difference because
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the products that they're
Speaker 3: buying to put into our state or just polluting another
Speaker 3: part of the world, or being mined by child slave
Speaker 3: labor in another part of the world. And it may
Speaker 3: feel good here, but it don't feel good to me
Speaker 3: when I know that we're polluting another part of the world.
Speaker 3: We're doing it on the backs of kids, and then
Speaker 3: we're doing it on the backs of our constituents who
Speaker 3: want to go to work in mind cold, they want
Speaker 3: to go to work, and they want to pump oil
Speaker 3: and gas they want to feed their families with good
Speaker 3: paying blue collar jobs, and they want to power the
Speaker 3: economy of this state. And we have a state government
Speaker 3: that decide to be run by the enviros, run by
Speaker 3: the envirol lobby, and they're in there making a mess
Speaker 3: of our state. And right now, with what we're seeing
Speaker 3: in the state, this isn't the time to be playing
Speaker 3: games with livelihoods and now literally people's lives when they
Speaker 3: can't either afford to heat their home. Mandy, A quarter
Speaker 3: of Coloradoans are already on heat assistance. You only cow
Speaker 3: into that number. This number is gonna fly. I mean,
Speaker 3: this number is going to go through the roof. So
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's been some studies done. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly the pulling data, but over fifty
Speaker 3: percent of Colorados still want to be able to use
Speaker 3: natural gas heat. So I just think that this is
Speaker 3: one more, one more example of government being done to you,
Speaker 3: not for you. They're not listening to the voice of
Speaker 3: the people. And unfortunately, there's a lot of legislators in
Speaker 3: that building that think that they know better than you
Speaker 3: because they were elected by you. And that's totally not fun.
Speaker 1: We'll leave this interview with these statistics. I just pulled
Speaker 1: up right now. The average kill awat hour for electricity
Speaker 1: is about fourteen It's fourteen dollars and eighty four cents.
Speaker 1: In Germany it is oh, excuse me, kill a wat hour.
Speaker 1: No wait, fourteen cents per kilowat hour. In Germany it
Speaker 1: is forty four cents. So it is three times what
Speaker 1: we pay here. So if you were to power bills
Speaker 1: to go up three times, then we should just continue
Speaker 1: down this path. Assistant House Minority Leader ty Winter, I
Speaker 1: appreciate your time today.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mandy. I appreciate you keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 3: And you know what, this is a call to the House.
Speaker 3: Republicans need the people of Colorado to get behind them.
Speaker 3: What happens in that building is a simple numbers game.
Speaker 3: There's more of us in there or more of them
Speaker 3: in there than us, and we need to get this
Speaker 3: message out to the people of Colorado. And you're doing
Speaker 3: your part. We're going to keep doing our part, and
Speaker 3: we're just asking our constituents and the cavalry to talk
Speaker 3: to your friends and neighbors, let them know what's happening
Speaker 3: to our state and let them know the way we
Speaker 3: fix that is at the ballot box.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks toy Winter. We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you.