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Speaker 1: to make that make sense. But that's beside the point. Okay,
Speaker 1: So first off, Spectrum News, this download the app whatever.
Speaker 1: Beside the point. Fauci the man, the myth, the absolute
Speaker 1: despicable human being. He is speaking on behalf of the
Speaker 1: Republicans who are attacking him over COVID origins. Listen, if
Speaker 1: you've been a listener of the show or a watcher
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Speaker 1: and Spotify and all the things, whatever, you understand that
Speaker 1: we are not very huge fans of Anthony Fauci, Old
Speaker 1: Tony himself. Right, So let's get into it here. So
Speaker 1: Fauci defends himself against Republican attacks over COVID origins. Well,
Speaker 1: of course he's gonna defend himself beside the point in
Speaker 1: his first public testimony since he retired from the federal
Speaker 1: government in December of twenty twenty two. Retired from the
Speaker 1: government in twenty twenty two, meaning that he's at least
Speaker 1: had to be a part of the government since two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, make your own determinations moving forward here.
Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci on Monday defending himself against Republican accusations that
Speaker 1: he had a hand in unleashing the COVID nineteen virus
Speaker 1: more years ago and tried to cover up the possibility
Speaker 1: that it escaped from a Chinese lab, which again, listen
Speaker 1: members of the revenue listeners of the Cajun Night, I
Speaker 1: feel like, if you're still living under the delusion that
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine, the COVID virus, all the things, was
Speaker 1: actually released from a bat in some sort of crazy
Speaker 1: meet the focker's, you know, version of events of like
Speaker 1: one thing going wrong leading to fifteen things going wrong,
Speaker 1: whatever the case, right, if you're still a believer that
Speaker 1: that's the case, I'm not trying to insult you. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that it's time to wake up. It's
Speaker 1: time to join the rest of the human population and
Speaker 1: realize that COVID itself wasn't a quote unquote leak from
Speaker 1: a lab. It wasn't from the bat meat that the
Speaker 1: Chinese are eating. Because that's the other problem, right, Either
Speaker 1: the Chinese are so starving that they're eating bats, or
Speaker 1: the Chinese have so much food abundance that they would
Speaker 1: never even think of eating a sky rodent. Both of
Speaker 1: these can't be true at the same time, So you
Speaker 1: make it make sense to you, good listener of the
Speaker 1: Cajun Night. All I'm saying is, at this point, with
Speaker 1: all of the information that we have available to us,
Speaker 1: I think it's very viable to say that even if
Speaker 1: you are a full on believer in government narratives and
Speaker 1: all the things, which if that's the case, I don't
Speaker 1: know why you're listening to the show, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're here. I'm glad you're fucking here. Listen. At this point,
Speaker 1: it's pretty understood that COVID virus was a controlled release
Speaker 1: from a laboratory in China from the Wuhan region. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is a crazy conspiratorial take to have
Speaker 1: at this point. I think we've all pretty much made
Speaker 1: our peace with it in whatever way that you can. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're somebody that believed the government narrative through and through,
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you, Okay. The Cajun Knight is not
Speaker 1: going to judge somebody for making the best decision that
Speaker 1: they could based off of the information that they had
Speaker 1: available to them at the time. That's not what I'm
Speaker 1: here to do, all right, now, that's out the way.
Speaker 1: I do, however, believe that it's okay for us to
Speaker 1: recognize that we were wrong, we fucked up. It's okay
Speaker 1: to admit that you fucked up. If anything, there's freedom
Speaker 1: in that. There is a real weight lifted off of
Speaker 1: your shoulders to be like, you know what, I was
Speaker 1: incorrect in my assumptions. I was incorrect in and I
Speaker 1: was like planting my feet in that hill. I was
Speaker 1: willing to die on that hill all the things. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: got you yo. There were Confederates in the Civil War
Speaker 1: that planted their heels into the Confederacy that didn't own slaves,
Speaker 1: but they were like here for the state. They were
Speaker 1: right or die all the things. And then at the
Speaker 1: end of it, reconstruction going on. Even the most prolific
Speaker 1: of the Confederate generals also forrest. So Benjamin Buford Forrest whatever,
Speaker 1: one of the founders of the Klan, he even recognized
Speaker 1: that it's you know what, hey, y'all, I was a
Speaker 1: little fucked up. I was a little presumptuous in my
Speaker 1: first understandings. I was wrong. It's okay to admit that.
Speaker 1: There's real freedom in admitting that you were incorrect with
Speaker 1: certain things, and members of the retinue, anybody listening to
Speaker 1: this right now, it's okay to admit that you were
Speaker 1: wrong when it came to the COVID conversation because your
Speaker 1: workplace told you that if you didn't get a vaccine
Speaker 1: you were going to be fired. You weren't going to
Speaker 1: be allowed to come back to work until you could
Speaker 1: show on a card that you had gotten the jab Listen,
Speaker 1: Cajuan Knight is not here to judge you on that.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. You did what you
Speaker 1: felt was right in the moment. However, and with all
Speaker 1: love and respect and all the accolades, all the things,
Speaker 1: all the stuff, all the blessings, we're a few years
Speaker 1: after the fact. It's okay to look at the statistics
Speaker 1: and look at the reality of it and be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I got three boosters that year without knowing what I
Speaker 1: was injecting on my body. I'm not gonna judge you
Speaker 1: on that. Good listener slash viewer of the Cajun Night.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna judge you on that. I get it.
Speaker 1: You were doing what you truly, in your heart of
Speaker 1: hearts felt was right at the time. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is time to grow up. It's time to wake up.
Speaker 1: It's time to you know, act your age and I
Speaker 1: know the old Blink one eighty to two song, what's
Speaker 1: my age again? What's my I find fine? Fine, your
Speaker 1: age is fucking thirty five, Stephanie. It's time. It's time
Speaker 1: for you to recognize, like, hey, maybe I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten this vaccine the first slash fourth time and not
Speaker 1: knowing what I was injecting into my body. It's okay,
Speaker 1: it's good. Come to the group, Come to the collective
Speaker 1: of people who understand that, like, hey, you were doing
Speaker 1: what you were told was correct, and like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's time to wake up. It's time to be a
Speaker 1: grown up and take responsibility for our actions. That's something
Speaker 1: that our generation is a real problem with doing overall.
Speaker 1: You know, you do have your one's season tuosies myself
Speaker 1: Raven Lee we take responsibility when we say some shit
Speaker 1: that's off colored, namely Candace Owans. I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: into that right now. I'm about to release an entire
Speaker 1: episode on The Cold Conspiracy of why I can't stand
Speaker 1: Candace Owans and like how many times she's been wrong?
Speaker 1: But beside the point, beside the point, it's okay to
Speaker 1: be an adult and realize, like, damn, I was incorrect
Speaker 1: when I was twenty eight, when I was twenty five,
Speaker 1: when I was twenty one, when I was nineteen, I
Speaker 1: was wrong. I thought I had it figured out. I
Speaker 1: didn't know shit about fuck, And you know what, it's
Speaker 1: time for me to grow up. It's time for me
Speaker 1: to be a part of the voting majority. It's time
Speaker 1: for me to take responsibility for my actions. It's time
Speaker 1: for me to take control of my life. That's a
Speaker 1: very good it's a very normal thing. Everybody goes through
Speaker 1: that in their own time and in their own way.
Speaker 1: And for the members of the retinue that are listening
Speaker 1: right now, in their own way and on whatever app
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Speaker 1: You know, hey, I'm a thirty year old and I'm
Speaker 1: a grown up like it's a thing. It's a thing.
Speaker 1: Before I continue reading this article about Fauci defending himself,
Speaker 1: Raven Lee has her hand up. Raven Lee, please speak
Speaker 1: on it. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of people had to do
Speaker 2: what they had to do to you know, be able
Speaker 2: to continue work and everything like that.
Speaker 3: So but this whole thing.
Speaker 2: With Fauci is really interesting because they only have a
Speaker 2: few days left to basically try to charge him with
Speaker 2: negligence with under with all of his lives and everything
Speaker 2: like that. His lawyer, Fauci's lawyer is trying to say
Speaker 2: that old boy that's gone after him, Paul, I forget
Speaker 2: his name is Paul something basically has an unhinged of
Speaker 2: unhinged obsession and wants to just see him behind bars
Speaker 2: no matter what. But like he even asked him, he
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well, since you can't like pretty much
Speaker 2: answer anything, what's today? And he was like just sat
Speaker 2: there silently.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing is asking's date?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what day of the week it is?
Speaker 2: Because Fauci pleaded the fifth like right away, I think
Speaker 2: he said twenty four words words total out of the
Speaker 2: entire like two and.
Speaker 3: A half hour hearing that.
Speaker 2: He basically it was just he basically immediately was like
Speaker 2: I was advised to plead the fifth and like that's it.
Speaker 2: Like that's that's all he would even say after being
Speaker 2: like berated. He was under subpoena as well, and so
Speaker 2: like he's supposed to be speaking of it. It's like
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five scientists wrote an open letter
Speaker 2: to the government calling for vilification and harassment that so
Speaker 2: many American scientists have had under Fauci's care, and they
Speaker 2: had baseless charges basically that Fauci was trying to cover
Speaker 2: up the origins of COVID and bribe and persuade his
Speaker 2: scientists to join in the cover up situation, and it
Speaker 2: sparked a whole bunch of falsified research during the pandemic,
Speaker 2: and like they made false patents for the virus and
Speaker 2: did all this stuff. And so he's just like I
Speaker 2: plead the fifth I do.
Speaker 3: I don't really have much to say.
Speaker 1: I love this. Let's get into the article. Ravenle sent
Speaker 1: it as a matter of fact, So Fauci defends himself
Speaker 1: against Republican attack over COVID origins. For the record, it
Speaker 1: didn't have to be a Republican attack. It could have
Speaker 1: been anybody with common sense. It just so happens that
Speaker 1: in this particular phase that we are in right now,
Speaker 1: the Republicans are the one that are asking the questions.
Speaker 1: But that's beside the point. In his first public testimony
Speaker 1: since he retired from the federal government in December of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, in the middle of the COVID shit,
Speaker 1: this boy fucking retired, went home and collected his bag.
Speaker 1: Never mind, that's not important, apparently to some people. Doctor
Speaker 1: Fauci on Monday defended himself against the Republican accusations that
Speaker 1: he had a hand in unleashing the COVID nineteen virus
Speaker 1: four years ago and tried to cover up the possibility
Speaker 1: that it escaped from a Chinese lab. Let's get deeper
Speaker 1: into it here. So, testifying before the House Subcommittee on
Speaker 1: the Coronavirus Pandemic, Fauci, who headed the National Institute of
Speaker 1: Allergy Infectious Disease right, okay for thirty eight years. This
Speaker 1: wasn't like he didn't just like end up in the
Speaker 1: right place right time. No, No, he had been there
Speaker 1: for thirty eight years and wanted to promote his drug
Speaker 1: was actressine for things that had no precedence whatsoever, but
Speaker 1: he owned a stock share holder of that company. Neither
Speaker 1: here nor there, okay. In a conference call in early
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, he never tried to steer scientists toward a
Speaker 1: specific conclusion. Yeah, If anything, he steered them away from
Speaker 1: specific conclusion. He also read a February first, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: email in which he urged doctor Jeremy Farrar, the then
Speaker 1: director of the well Come of Welcome all Right, a
Speaker 1: health focused charitable foundation based in London, to assembly a
Speaker 1: group of evolutionary biologists to examine data to determine if
Speaker 1: there was any validity to fer ours concerns that COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen might just might have originated in a lab, and
Speaker 1: then report their findings to authorities. Direct quote here from Fauci.
Speaker 1: It is inconceivable that anyone who reads this email could
Speaker 1: conclude that I was trying to cover up the possibility
Speaker 1: of a lab league. It's so crazy that he says that,
Speaker 1: because the statements that he was making in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two were very, very different.
Speaker 1: I would say, at a polar opposite end, of the
Speaker 1: spectrum than to say, listen, I never said that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a lab lake. I'm sorry. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: People just assumed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: You actually said outright that this was some sort of
Speaker 1: a crazy evolutionary jump, that a virus mutated from animal
Speaker 1: to human in like a month, and then you were
Speaker 1: at the head of the gain of function research paid
Speaker 1: for by Donnie T. I'm sorry. Oh, if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hurt some feelings here today, Okay, that's fine. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is the reason why the gain of function research got
Speaker 1: any fucking foothold in our current conversation. But it was fauci.
Speaker 1: It was the things of the stuff. It was the
Speaker 1: day and age. It was so crazy at the time
Speaker 1: we didn't know, they knew, they knew. But anyway, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: moving forward here. He also urged in an email doctor farre,
Speaker 1: the then director of the I said all right, I'm sorry, Uh,
Speaker 1: there is no consensus within the US government about how
Speaker 1: the virus began. Yes, there is. It originated from Wuhan.
Speaker 1: That's not a crazy hot take. That's a very understandable
Speaker 1: everybody agrees with its statement to make. But all right,
Speaker 1: moving forward here, While the Energy Department, why did the
Speaker 1: Energy Department, who's worried about gas and electricity and nuclear power,
Speaker 1: why did they weigh in on this? You be the judge.
Speaker 1: I'll be the judge on my end, all right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: And FBI support the lab leak theory. For agencies and
Speaker 1: the National Intelligence Council have concluded with low confidence, with
Speaker 1: low confidence that COVID nineteen likely emerged after being transmitted
Speaker 1: from an animal to a human. And two other agencies
Speaker 1: have not reacted or I'm sorry, I have not reached
Speaker 1: a determination on way one way or the other. That's
Speaker 1: a weird way. That sentence is worded ravenly. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: hand raised. If you want to speak on it, please,
Speaker 1: by all means go for it.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was just I was just gonna weigh in a
Speaker 2: little bit on the whole Republican situation. Like the Republicans
Speaker 2: basically lined up and took turns attacking Fauci today. I
Speaker 2: think it was today that they actually went over this
Speaker 2: and stuff and really went into about his experimental gene
Speaker 2: therapy and like, because you know, Fauci started out before
Speaker 2: he got linked up with Bill Gates in the eighties,
Speaker 2: and like their manipulation of vaccines as well as viruses
Speaker 2: have led to I personally believe the harm of millions
Speaker 2: of people because the way that they changed the patents
Speaker 2: and what they included inside the vaccines came directly from
Speaker 2: Fauci himself.
Speaker 1: I agree. You know what, at this point, before he
Speaker 1: read any further, our resident Jewish and our resident Catholic correspondent,
Speaker 1: I want both the other way in so m, what
Speaker 1: is the Jewish doctor, Royce speaking to you directly? What
Speaker 1: is the Jewish doctrine when it comes to vaccines? Now,
Speaker 1: I am not talking about polio, uh you know, mrns
Speaker 1: whatever when it came to COVID. I feel like I
Speaker 1: could be wrong Royce, Please please brother correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. I feel like the majority of the
Speaker 1: Jewish community was like, man, doctor Fauci knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely within the qur'an. Wow, fuck off, within
Speaker 1: the within the Kabbalah to get this vaccine. Did the
Speaker 1: majority of the Jewish community believe that the vaccine was
Speaker 1: a justified, therefore holy thing? Please speak on it.
Speaker 5: I don't think definitely not holy. Was it something that
Speaker 5: a lot of them or a lot of us thought
Speaker 5: that with the information that we were given, this is
Speaker 5: what we should do in order to people say, I
Speaker 5: mean probably yes, there there were a number of Jewies
Speaker 5: that that I know that got them, that got it,
Speaker 5: uh mandatory or otherwise. So, I mean the whole idea
Speaker 5: is that so according to the tour of the Dor
Speaker 5: says that you should live by the commandments, and when
Speaker 5: it says lived by them, that means that the life
Speaker 5: takes precedence above all tow where even if I were
Speaker 5: to live on a desert island and all that were
Speaker 5: there were pigs, I would be not only supposed to
Speaker 5: eat these pigs, I would be mandated to eat these
Speaker 5: pigs specifically because life takes precedents.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: We talked about that before, right, like the Kosher laws
Speaker 1: and all these things that applies if you're able to
Speaker 1: have them apply, if you're living in some sort of
Speaker 1: a survival flight or flight situation, then you gotta do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do pig or or vice versa. So, okay,
Speaker 1: to that point in this.
Speaker 5: It's in case sorry so so in so in this case,
Speaker 5: I think that the majority of the Jus probably got
Speaker 5: it because we were told that it was life or death.
Speaker 5: I mean really that's what the mainstream media was portraying.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, if you don't get this, you are
Speaker 5: going to die. As you quoted the number a time,
Speaker 5: are you going to be responsible to keep to kill grandma?
Speaker 1: So? Were you were you going to temple at this time?
Speaker 1: Did you have a temple that you were like going
Speaker 1: to at the and the reason why I wasn't.
Speaker 5: Going to I was going to I was going to
Speaker 5: do synagogue. And then there was definitely social distancing. There
Speaker 5: was there were masks that were mandated, but that was
Speaker 5: but that was There were plenty of weeks when it
Speaker 5: first started that like there weren't services, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, My point is were there rabbis that were leaning
Speaker 1: into this? And this is not at Royce yourself, this
Speaker 1: is at the overarching umbrella turn because I'm about to
Speaker 1: ask the exact same questions to our boy Tony here
Speaker 1: within Judaism, were there rabbis that were saying, hell, listen,
Speaker 1: the government said that we should have the social distance
Speaker 1: of of so like we need to have that Like
Speaker 1: was that a thing that happened or was it case
Speaker 1: by case?
Speaker 5: I mean I would really say synagogue by synagogue, there
Speaker 5: were there were or some some synagogues that was were
Speaker 5: very much so fucked this.
Speaker 6: There were other synagogues that were very we need to
Speaker 6: follow if we.
Speaker 5: Want to stay open. As of the shoulder, granted, there
Speaker 5: were there were still people who had So it's very
Speaker 5: common in Orthodox family or in an Orthodox community to
Speaker 5: have like school in someone's house, right, so like there
Speaker 5: will be a savatory and there would be like lech
Speaker 5: of sitters and the like, whether it's Friday night or
Speaker 5: or shop as day or whatever. So I think that
Speaker 5: I think it was case by case because it definitely
Speaker 5: ran the gamut to.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, now it's a Tony, our resident Catholic correspondent,
Speaker 1: same question when COVID. I'm talking like in the early days,
Speaker 1: right before people knew that it was just the flu,
Speaker 1: before people knew that it was all the things. And
Speaker 1: I asked this because the church that I went to,
Speaker 1: we didn't do social distancing at all. We didn't do
Speaker 1: mask mandates, like we didn't give a fuck pretty much
Speaker 1: from the initial word onward, Tony, if you could speak
Speaker 1: on it, what was the local diocese's opinion on how
Speaker 1: mass should be conducted? During COVID was their social distancing?
Speaker 1: Was there mask mandates? What was what was the things?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was all that stuff. And when I was
Speaker 6: in California, mass was only held outdoors at a couple
Speaker 6: of places, and there were a couple other places where
Speaker 6: it was limited to twelve people indoors. So I didn't
Speaker 6: get I didn't go to any of the indoor ones. Uh.
Speaker 6: But Salvatore Cordilione was the Archbishop of San Francisco, and
Speaker 6: he fought for as many people at Mass as possible.
Speaker 6: One thing he did was he'd have multiple priests in
Speaker 6: the large cathedral at the same time. He'd have like
Speaker 6: twenty of them, and then he'd say, okay, well we're
Speaker 6: going to conduct twenty different masses. That means we can
Speaker 6: have twenty times twelve, and you know, you have a
Speaker 6: decent number of people in there. But of course Catholic
Speaker 6: opinion varied a lot. Pope Francis said you should probably
Speaker 6: get the vaccine. I think he even said Jesus would
Speaker 6: get the vaccine.
Speaker 4: He's just kind of a liberal.
Speaker 6: So it's about what you'd expect, and the overall Catholic
Speaker 6: opinion was pretty varied.
Speaker 4: Fair. I'm just navigating a street right now. I know
Speaker 4: this makes for great radio.
Speaker 1: You're good.
Speaker 4: You're good.
Speaker 6: The old days of the Catholic Churches, to my knowledge,
Speaker 6: never opposed vaccines, but your most traditionalist Catholics today do.
Speaker 6: And I think in the old days the Catholic Church
Speaker 6: used to be against blood transfusions a long long time ago,
Speaker 6: and maybe even against anesthetic. I heard that, but I
Speaker 6: haven't confirmed, and I'm thinking, fuck that. If you did
Speaker 6: an anesthetic to avoid being in excruciating pain because you're dying,
Speaker 6: go ahead, take.
Speaker 1: It, agreed. Okay. So, so in the earliest days of
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine and the mandates and the shutting down
Speaker 1: of the world and all these things, the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: was having outdoor mass. And how did y'all take the sacraments?
Speaker 1: How did y'all take the communion? Dog?
Speaker 4: Oh, you could stand in a line and walk up
Speaker 4: and get it.
Speaker 1: But how did he like have a stick with the
Speaker 1: fucking unleavin bread on the end of it or something?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: No, I think we just received it in the hand
Speaker 6: like normal.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: I would remember, I would remember if it had been
Speaker 6: anything really weird like that. I remember one or two
Speaker 6: priests maybe just jokingly did a baptism with a long
Speaker 6: range squirt guns superio.
Speaker 1: I heard about.
Speaker 6: That caused quite a bit of controversy because you know
Speaker 6: how some people are like, how dare you? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, you know Protestants is to go, Well, if
Speaker 6: you're not gonna do it underwater, then what's the point.
Speaker 6: And as you discussed with Jonathan one day years ago,
Speaker 6: it used to be possibly a near death experience. So
Speaker 6: if you're not gonna literally drown and go unconscious, what's
Speaker 6: the point. That's what others might even say.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about these uh, these priests, specifically of
Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic uh, you know, persuasion that we're doing
Speaker 1: baptisms via super soaker. I gotta be real. I support
Speaker 1: this just for my own Southern white trashedness. I support
Speaker 1: baptizing babies with a super soaker to the forehead. I
Speaker 1: think that's fucking phenomenal. But apparently obviously I am in
Speaker 1: the wrong on this, even though there was Catholic priests
Speaker 1: doing it just a few years ago. But no, to
Speaker 1: your point, I agree that's phenomenal, and I wish I
Speaker 1: wish there would have been more press coverage all the time,
Speaker 1: I can only find a handful of photos of priests
Speaker 1: hitting babies with an outdated super soaker because the super
Speaker 1: soaker is no longer available because a patent ran out,
Speaker 1: and they the patent off is trying to fuck over
Speaker 1: the black man. Which we could add that conversation beside
Speaker 1: the point. Yeah, that that was phenomenal.
Speaker 6: Just okay, Well, people of people have argued constantly over
Speaker 6: what's disrespectful and created in groups and out groups accordingly,
Speaker 6: and I don't actually, I don't have the strongest opinion
Speaker 6: about it. I think they probably did the baptism the
Speaker 6: right way, the traditional way, and then just took the
Speaker 6: photo as a joke. Maybe well, some people don't want
Speaker 6: to take a joke. The other controversial baptism i've seen
Speaker 6: is Greek Orthodox will jump the baby underwater.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people say, oh.
Speaker 6: No, my god, that's childer Bruce, and I just think, oh,
Speaker 6: the baby's fine. You know, every time I'm at a
Speaker 6: pool with my kids, you know, people worry about them
Speaker 6: more than I do. And I recognize drowning is a
Speaker 6: big cause of that, but I actually do kind of
Speaker 6: want them to feel what it's like with their head
Speaker 6: underwater and just develop a feel for it.
Speaker 1: I agree, Maybe not in the context of a priest
Speaker 1: baptizing them, making them feel like, you know, head underwater,
Speaker 1: learn how to hold your breath. Figure at the fuck
Speaker 1: out kid. I feel you, though, Tony, I do.
Speaker 4: It's real quick, though. It's like splash and that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, you say that. You say that, and it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It's supposed to be a fucking dunk
Speaker 1: and you're up and you're good. But I have seen
Speaker 1: physically with my own eyeballs some pastors and priests of
Speaker 1: multiple denominations, who, man, they just hold that person underwater
Speaker 1: just an extra second longer. They just they just need
Speaker 1: a little extra water on them to receive the Holy spirit,
Speaker 1: you know, the Holy ghost, and then they come up
Speaker 1: and all things. But it's like there's quite a few that, like, man,
Speaker 1: you heild that person under harder, extra long, didn't you. No, man,
Speaker 1: I was talking about Okay, pastor, Okay, I see what
Speaker 1: you're doing here for sure. But I mean we're talking
Speaker 1: about a pass across the forehead. I don't think these
Speaker 1: babies are in any fear or danger.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't mean to dwell on this because some people
Speaker 6: hate religion. But I guess you're probably of the opinion
Speaker 6: you shouldn't be baptized as an infant.
Speaker 4: Is that what you're doing with your kids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a shooting't thing for me personally, with
Speaker 1: my own walk within the scripture and everything. If a
Speaker 1: kid wants to be baptized at five years old, fine,
Speaker 1: but they do need to know what they're signing up for.
Speaker 1: You know, that's personally how I feel about it.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: My oldest was baptized at eleven. Uh, my youngest was
Speaker 1: bad or not my youngest, My next down was baptized
Speaker 1: at ten. But I had a very long talk with
Speaker 1: them about what this was, what it was not all things.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that baptism is a way to get
Speaker 1: to heaven. I believe that it absolutely works towards that end, yes,
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that a non baptized person is
Speaker 1: like doomed to hell regardless, And we could have, you know,
Speaker 1: docturnal conversation.
Speaker 4: You're gonna offend some people.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I will. I'm sure I will. You know,
Speaker 1: the Jews believe that baptisms have to be done in
Speaker 1: some sort of a natural uh form of water, like
Speaker 1: a sinkhole or something a river that works as well.
Speaker 1: Christianity believe it.
Speaker 4: I didn't know they had anything there.
Speaker 1: Depends on the version of Judaism you get down in Christianity,
Speaker 1: we believe that it can happen in a baptismal font
Speaker 1: or a bucket, as long as a priestess present. Like
Speaker 1: it runs the gambit, you know, so, But either way,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that an infant getting baptized makes a fuck,
Speaker 1: specifically because children are within the age of ignorance. Like
Speaker 1: if a five year old commits some crazy sins, but
Speaker 1: you know, dies from some unforeseen circumstance, He's obviously getting
Speaker 1: to heaven because he's five, and God takes mercy on
Speaker 1: the ignorant, like truly ignorant. Now, somebody was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that that was how that worked. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean like truly the child mind right. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: when you get to the age of thirteen, which within
Speaker 1: the Hebrew tradition, Christian tradition, whatever, you are seen as
Speaker 1: a grown up, you know, damn good and well, what's
Speaker 1: right and wrong all the things. Yeah, at that point
Speaker 1: it's time to stand on your own two feet, you know, so,
Speaker 1: I mean you had that conversation, but yeah, God.
Speaker 6: Loves the children for sure. By the way, I loved
Speaker 6: this quote. Have you ever heard this quote? And you
Speaker 6: know who said it? God always protects drunks, the fools,
Speaker 6: and the United States of America.
Speaker 1: I don't know who said it, but I've heard it before.
Speaker 4: Is Auto Bismarck?
Speaker 1: Oh my God, mark old leader of Germany during World
Speaker 1: War One? That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: And oh no, no, no, he was like eighteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Was it not Bismarck who led Germany during World War One?
Speaker 6: No, it was Kaiser will Helm the second eighteen eighty two.
Speaker 6: He took over from Frederick the Third, who had been
Speaker 6: Kaiser for ninety days and then he died of pancreatic
Speaker 6: cancer or something. And his father was Kaiser will Helm
Speaker 6: the first. Guys, will Helm the first I think got
Speaker 6: rid of Bismarck.
Speaker 1: Okay, nope, yeah, I don't know what just God said,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I okay, fair enough, fair enough, my bad.
Speaker 1: You are correct that Bismarck is the one that led
Speaker 1: in the pre lim to World War One.
Speaker 6: But uh yeah, the Unification movement, yeah, which was a
Speaker 6: response to Napoleon. Really it took a while, but that's
Speaker 6: why Germany unified. He said, we are not dealing with
Speaker 6: another fucking Napoleon.
Speaker 4: Disunified because that's fair.
Speaker 6: And the Catholics really put up a fight for a while,
Speaker 6: but Bavaria got incorporated, and that's the main reason Austria didn't.
Speaker 4: Was too Catholic.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how Catholic they were when Germany was super Lutheran.
Speaker 1: But I we're getting way off into the weeds here.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would love to have this conversation,
Speaker 1: but Raven Lee has had her hand raised for a
Speaker 1: good hot minute here and we haven't even gotten through
Speaker 1: the first paragraph of this article. Raven Lee, please speak
Speaker 1: on it. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I was I was just gonna say, I'm one of
Speaker 2: those people that the pastor decided to.
Speaker 1: Try to drown.
Speaker 3: I felt like in that fucking tank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got baptized, like old boy love to hold
Speaker 2: people under. I was like, what are you trying to do,
Speaker 2: like fucking drown out the sin or something.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's doing, Raven Lee, because some people
Speaker 1: need an extra second or thirty under the water.
Speaker 3: Oh like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Well, didn't you get baptized again in country.
Speaker 2: No, no, I was like twelve or thirteen when I
Speaker 2: got baptized.
Speaker 3: I have my certificate or whatever.
Speaker 2: When I was a part of the church, because I
Speaker 2: walked away from the church when I was officially sixteen.
Speaker 2: Is well, the last time I was a part of
Speaker 2: the churches.
Speaker 1: I thought you got rebaptized when you were in the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, sir, no, no.
Speaker 1: I walked. We got baptized a baby, and again as
Speaker 1: a teenager.
Speaker 3: Then I never was baptized as a baby.
Speaker 2: I was baptized only one time, and I chose to
Speaker 2: be baptized after doing like I did like.
Speaker 3: Three years of this program.
Speaker 2: And then I chose to be baptized at like twelve
Speaker 2: or thirteen. Yeah, I was like twelve or thirteen when
Speaker 2: I got baptized, and then I walked away from the
Speaker 2: church at sixteen.
Speaker 1: So maybe you should come back. I'm not telling what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: You do you I'm good me a Norse trucker and
Speaker 2: CC you're gonna go like do pagan shit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna chat right now. We have a non religious
Speaker 1: a Nordic in, a Catholic, a Jew, and a non denomination.
Speaker 1: We're all over the place here. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: tell you what to do with your life. I am
Speaker 1: saying that perhaps maybe perhaps you should return. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Do what you want with that information. And
Speaker 1: do you white boy wizard Tristan, our resident Idaho. I
Speaker 1: saw your hand was raised and you dropped it. Brother,
Speaker 1: if you want to unmute yourself and speak in on this,
Speaker 1: by all means.
Speaker 8: I was just saying, you guys are talking about the
Speaker 8: Catholic Church seemed to get the church or to get
Speaker 8: the jab. The Mormons did the same thing. And my
Speaker 8: grandpa was like super super fucking Mormon, like so much
Speaker 8: sp The motherfucker's name was Joseph Smith Jr. But uh
Speaker 8: really he was so fucking man dude, like he I
Speaker 8: had hope that he was gonna finally turn his back
Speaker 8: on the church because he's always been a conspiracy theorist, Like.
Speaker 1: How can you be a Mormon and a conspiracy theorist
Speaker 1: that don't make sense out loud?
Speaker 8: Just like I mean the part of distrusting government and
Speaker 8: world leaders and having freaking prepper okay, you know, prepper
Speaker 8: habits and all that type of shit. We didn't go
Speaker 8: as far as like us as conspiracy theorists. But he
Speaker 8: was definitely in his own league, you know, along with
Speaker 8: generation of people and especially as Mormons. Damn yeah, when
Speaker 8: they told people to get that job, he was fucking pissed.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's let let's ask this question. So
Speaker 1: and when twenty twenty rolled around, Tristan, you were not
Speaker 1: a member of the Church of Latter day Saints. Correct,
Speaker 1: You had already kind of walked away by that point. Yeah?
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I mean I walked away when it was
Speaker 8: like thirteen. But like, I'm still in their books, and
Speaker 8: you have to do some fucked up shit to get
Speaker 8: excommunicated from a Mormon church. So from their standpoint, I'm
Speaker 8: still Mormon. But yeah, I know, I definitely was not
Speaker 8: attending church or practicing anything at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, fair enough. So during twenty twenty when
Speaker 1: COVID was like all the rage, all the shit, everybody
Speaker 1: couldn't stop talking about it, do you know what the
Speaker 1: Mormon Church did as far as social distancing or masks
Speaker 1: or whatever. Do you are you like in the loop
Speaker 1: as far as that's concerned, or you were long gone
Speaker 1: by that point, So fuck them.
Speaker 9: The Internet over the Internet and they think when they
Speaker 9: started back again, Tom, everybody, Tristan's mama, Why boy, wizards, Mama, welcome,
Speaker 9: Welcome to the cage, and I live.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear from you. Oh my God. Okay, okay, Oracle,
Speaker 1: Ta the Oracle, Okay, please miss Tara the Oracle resident
Speaker 1: Oracle correspondent, y'all. Okay. So when COVID was going ridiculous
Speaker 1: and oh we need the jab, we need two weeks
Speaker 1: to lower the bell curve even the last of two years,
Speaker 1: all the shit? What did the Church of Latter day
Speaker 1: Saints do as far as their regular I don't want
Speaker 1: to say mass or service or whatever. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to disrespect. What do they do.
Speaker 10: They as far as I know, because I wasn't going
Speaker 10: to church then either, but my parents were. They started
Speaker 10: doing it all online, like yeah, like a zoom meeting.
Speaker 10: I guess I think my dad watched it on like
Speaker 10: they did it through like Facebook maybe or something like that.
Speaker 10: And then when they started back, they had to sit
Speaker 10: I think a certain amount away from each other, like
Speaker 10: you know, four or five feet the families or something
Speaker 10: weird like that, if I remember.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Okay, would you still classify yourself as a Mormon.
Speaker 10: No, I'm still a member of the church.
Speaker 11: I mean I could, yeah, just like so, we could
Speaker 11: write a letter to the President of the church, the
Speaker 11: prophet and ask for our names to be removed, but
Speaker 11: then you have to have a meeting with the bishop
Speaker 11: in your area to have it taken off.
Speaker 10: And you know, I'm like, whatever, it doesn't matter to
Speaker 10: me to have to have that done. I don't have
Speaker 10: any anger or hate towards the Church, although our family
Speaker 10: was pretty messed up from it for a long time,
Speaker 10: just still is for a long time. But I don't
Speaker 10: have any anger. It's what my parents knew, and my
Speaker 10: parents thought they were doing the best at the time,
Speaker 10: and that's probably what kept my parents' marriage together too.
Speaker 1: Sure. And I have to ask you. Tristan has spoken
Speaker 1: on this many times as far as what his beliefs
Speaker 1: are versus what they are not for you personally, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I have to ask what And I'm sorry for all
Speaker 1: the listeners of the Cajun Night Live, but I'm very
Speaker 1: curious of this. What is your beliefs? Do you believe
Speaker 1: in God? Do you believe in the God of Abraham,
Speaker 1: Isaac and Jacob? Do you believe in Joseph Smith, do
Speaker 1: you believe in some variant thereof where do your belief
Speaker 1: start an end? You love? There's some Jesus. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: Jesus was literally the best ever.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I mean I definitely believe in a higher
Speaker 10: power and for everybody, I think that's different. When I pray,
Speaker 10: I pray to God. And you know, I've had miracles
Speaker 10: happen in my life many over the last four to
Speaker 10: six years that I absolutely can't deny that when I
Speaker 10: have prayed that I've had answers to my prayers. Absolutely
Speaker 10: one thousand percent.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 10: TJ's still here on this earth, so those prayers have
Speaker 10: been answered many times.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as far as the creator deity calling him God,
Speaker 1: which is a human term, all the things, the Grand Creator,
Speaker 1: you're with that like, there has to be some sort
Speaker 1: of an order to this. There has to be a designer,
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about our boy, j c A ka A you know, Jesus.
Speaker 10: You know, I kind of have mixed feelings anymore, just
Speaker 10: because of what I've read and what TJ and I
Speaker 10: have watched.
Speaker 3: And I really I.
Speaker 1: Heard you mentioned TJ twice who is he.
Speaker 10: Sorry, that's Christian his I called his name Christian. Yeah, sorry, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Known by many things.
Speaker 10: Yeah, teacher, TJ, pojo, dancer, you can call him whatever you.
Speaker 1: Want, you know.
Speaker 10: I just honestly, I don't know that I know anymore
Speaker 10: about yeah.
Speaker 8: Because I've just read and I've gotten into some of
Speaker 8: the gnosticism stuff, and it's just we we we keep
Speaker 8: our minds open to everything.
Speaker 10: And I guess I'm to the point where, so I'll
Speaker 10: be sixty three this year. I don't feel like I
Speaker 10: have to know that. And as far as religion, they're
Speaker 10: all man made, and so do I enjoy going to
Speaker 10: a good Christian church and listening to music and you know,
Speaker 10: talking to people on occasion. Yeah, I used to go
Speaker 10: every Sunday. I haven't done that for many, many years. Yeah,
Speaker 10: because I just don't feel like I need that in
Speaker 10: my life. I know who I am. I have faith
Speaker 10: in something. Sometimes I don't know what. Sometimes I get
Speaker 10: really angry at whatever that may be when my prayers
Speaker 10: aren't answered, or my desires that I want don't happen
Speaker 10: when I want. But I also have just come to
Speaker 10: the conclusion that I don't feel like I really have
Speaker 10: to know because nobody really knows.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, I'm not coming
Speaker 1: at you. I'm just for the record. I might, I
Speaker 1: might disagree with some of the points you've made this evening,
Speaker 1: but I can't understand where you're coming from. Yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: can respect where you're coming from, and like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So Jesus you can acknowledge was like the truth of
Speaker 1: homies that ever lived. But you may have a different
Speaker 1: opinion on him than I do, and that's fine, that's fine. Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think from what I've read, I feel
Speaker 10: like he was a good person. I don't know that
Speaker 10: I believe every everything, but then I don't know that
Speaker 10: I don't believe at all.
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. My biggest gripe with all the religions
Speaker 1: you name it, whether it's Hinduism, Buddhism, even Norse paganism.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to upset our resident Nordic pagan
Speaker 1: uh you know, correspondent here. Everybody has some sort of
Speaker 1: opinion on who Jesus was. Whether, oh yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a thing for that. It's balder Oh we have a
Speaker 1: thing for that. It's Christiana way right. They all have
Speaker 1: a story. Like everybody acknowledges that Jesus was like the guy,
Speaker 1: but they never listen to what Jesus said about himself.
Speaker 1: That's always my biggest gripe, you know. Yeah, But but
Speaker 1: I hear the points you're making, and mad respect real
Speaker 1: quick before we get tony. I see your hand raised ravenly.
Speaker 1: You had your hand raised for a minute. If you
Speaker 1: want to speak in on it, go for it.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was just gonna say, my girlfriend actually got
Speaker 2: herself removed from.
Speaker 3: The Mormon Church.
Speaker 1: Praise God.
Speaker 2: She was she so her path and like her bishop
Speaker 2: probably was one of the most evil son of a
Speaker 2: bitches I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, down with the matriarchy, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you mean the patriarchy, but I what I said, moving on,
Speaker 1: But they.
Speaker 2: Basically what it was was like so she lives in Canada,
Speaker 2: which is very patriarchal anyways, and out of itself where
Speaker 2: she lives, and her bishop and his wife basically covered.
Speaker 3: Up the sins of the men in the.
Speaker 2: Church and like of beating and raping and doing all
Speaker 2: these things and actually spun it on the women that
Speaker 2: came forward.
Speaker 3: And like it was, it was really ugly.
Speaker 2: They actually even came to her house and like under
Speaker 2: the guise of giving her food, right because she was
Speaker 2: going through a hard time, they brought food for her
Speaker 2: and they were like, well, so, by the way, you're
Speaker 2: in the wrong.
Speaker 3: You're the sinner here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you aren't the one that's incorrect, and like
Speaker 2: did said unbelievable things. And she had to actually go
Speaker 2: through like great lengths to get removed from the church
Speaker 2: because they refused to let her go. And it was
Speaker 2: like a whole thing, and she could prove, like there
Speaker 2: was court documents and all of this stuff, and they
Speaker 2: were like, well, you know, and her sister actually has
Speaker 2: almost been murdered by her by her ex husband now
Speaker 2: four times and the church in Mormon Church in Utah
Speaker 2: has completely covered it up.
Speaker 3: Basically, it was just like you need to.
Speaker 2: Pray more, and like it's it's wild because I actually
Speaker 2: went to the town in which her family they're super Mormon.
Speaker 3: I went to the super Mormon town in Utah, and
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, this place is fucking wild.
Speaker 2: Here I am with bright I think I had green
Speaker 2: hair at the time, and of course I'm dressed in
Speaker 2: all goth and I.
Speaker 1: Was like you liberal, you liberal females suck you by.
Speaker 2: I can fit in in a lot of places, but
Speaker 2: let me tell you, in the middle of a Mormon
Speaker 2: town that has like two hundred people during your prey
Speaker 2: and I'm dressed in all goth I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm here for. You let me enrich your
Speaker 2: experience in life.
Speaker 3: Like it was.
Speaker 1: Here's out here making friends, Raven. You're out here making
Speaker 1: friends and just trying to be a part of the crowd.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: I have a tough time with people that are willingly
Speaker 2: turning a blind eye to uh rape, an abuse of
Speaker 2: women and children, and and trying to be like, it's fine,
Speaker 2: you just need to go pray a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I have a tough time with that, and so that
Speaker 2: the Mormon to me has some feelings. I have some
Speaker 2: deep feelings when it comes to Mormon church.
Speaker 1: God he you speaking, please.
Speaker 8: I was just asking Raven if you remember which town
Speaker 8: you were in.
Speaker 1: Alberta or like outside of it.
Speaker 3: No, No, I actually have a I have a thing
Speaker 3: on my Oh shit, I packed it. It's kenush, maybe
Speaker 3: it's ka k.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to north sucker, north tchrucker or
Speaker 1: Canadian correspondent, what the fuck is y'all call it?
Speaker 3: Show?
Speaker 2: That was in Utah, But my girlfriend is in Calgary
Speaker 2: and up in Canada.
Speaker 8: Is that close to Bountiful, Canada? Because there's a fuck
Speaker 8: little Mormons there and they.
Speaker 2: Act there's a ton of Mormons up there in Alberta
Speaker 2: and Calgary and.
Speaker 8: All that they actively said said X traffic little girls
Speaker 8: back and forth from Bountiful, Canada to fucking Salt Lake
Speaker 8: and Progress.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't one hundred percent believe it.
Speaker 2: I mean, my mom's come on, and I know that
Speaker 2: she talked about this on the book Club many months ago.
Speaker 2: But basically my mom's experience was they basically were trying
Speaker 2: to sex traffic them, and like my girlfriend, you know,
Speaker 2: she was pretty much sold, I would say, and in
Speaker 2: a sense at seventeen to her husband, you know, they'd
Speaker 2: only met him, fucked three times. He came over and
Speaker 2: they had the you know, the lining up of the
Speaker 2: women where they like line them up with the you
Speaker 2: know when they're ready.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait. Within Mormonism, a man gets the choice of
Speaker 1: like the pick of the litter something.
Speaker 2: So when they come back from their their thing, that
Speaker 2: they go into it for two years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, their mission.
Speaker 1: That sounds badass. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be
Speaker 1: a dickhead, but like, yo, I probably wouldn't have two
Speaker 1: x wives if I would have had the pick of
Speaker 1: the fucking litter. I must have missed something here.
Speaker 2: So my mom, so my mom, Norse trucker, Norse trucker shot.
Speaker 1: Like, bro, I'm just saying, like you're Norse pagan, you
Speaker 1: ain't even got to this fight over like dog fucking
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you would have had your pick
Speaker 1: of thirteen women rather than the one, you might have
Speaker 1: had a different shot. And it's like, yeah, what they did.
Speaker 2: So what they did was is like so when they
Speaker 2: came back from their mission, they.
Speaker 3: Had all the available women of age.
Speaker 2: They go through like the ceremony or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Basically they had in there and she her ex husband
Speaker 2: came back and like he he was actually from Canada.
Speaker 2: They brought them down and then they had like this
Speaker 2: ceremony or whatever and they hung out. Like one time
Speaker 2: he asked her parents, hey, so I want her, like
Speaker 2: I want to marry her, and like pretty much just
Speaker 2: married her on the spot like a week later and
Speaker 2: and then she was gone and she's lived in Canada
Speaker 2: ever since, and like that was like a whole thing
Speaker 2: that happened. My mom actually had the same thing when
Speaker 2: she was debating out becoming a Mormon. She went through
Speaker 2: all these steps and like she could go, wait, wait, wait, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm sorry, Raven Lee, real quick, I'm sorry, we
Speaker 1: need to take a second. Your mom was considering Mormonism.
Speaker 2: So when she was like seventeen, eighteen years old, like
Speaker 2: there's she's talked about this many times. But like basically
Speaker 2: she and then two of her friends went to the
Speaker 2: Mormon church and for like a year and a half
Speaker 2: they went through all this stuff and it came to
Speaker 2: that point where the missionaries were coming back.
Speaker 3: She got in trouble because she hand.
Speaker 2: Made her outfit and I guess her sleeves were like
Speaker 2: too short on her arm and they were like she not,
Speaker 2: you know, like whatever, and she's like they lined us
Speaker 2: up pretty much in this room and like to present
Speaker 2: this to these males that have come back and like
Speaker 2: all this crap, and so like my mom actually can
Speaker 2: speak way more intelligently on it than me, but like
Speaker 2: I only know what my friend would be through and
Speaker 2: like what they've told me of their stories, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a vibe.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna need to speak to
Speaker 1: Miss Jackie on this directly, because for all of her
Speaker 1: opinions as far as christiandom is concerned, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that she once dabbled in a actual cult and like
Speaker 1: all the things. But like we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: The Mormon Church, because I'd imagine so that went with
Speaker 2: her though the friend that with her actually ended up
Speaker 2: staying in the church almost died.
Speaker 3: He tried to kill their kids.
Speaker 1: Like sure it was.
Speaker 2: It was like really bad. It took like twenty two
Speaker 2: years for her to actually like get away.
Speaker 3: From this, dude. So my mom has some really strong
Speaker 3: feelings on this.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard and to any person listening right now
Speaker 1: that might be of the Mormon persuasion, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: of a single positive story from the Mormon Church slash church.
Speaker 1: A Lardy saying, Trician, what the fuck you Okay, gold
Speaker 1: Guy Fox masking might say, what the fuck are you doing? Dude.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I haven't heard of a single
Speaker 1: positive story from the Mormon Church, and the fact that
Speaker 1: they consider themselves Christian is mind blowing, to say the least,
Speaker 1: at some very baseline docturnal conversations. It's it's wild, all right.
Speaker 8: I'm trying to do their rebranding. Dude, they're trying to
Speaker 8: rebrand right now. They're like, we can't call it Christians.
Speaker 10: Don't.
Speaker 8: Like, for my whole life, you've said, don't call me Christian,
Speaker 8: not Mormon. I'm like, make up your fucking mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Mormon Church slash Church of Latter day
Speaker 1: Saints slash whatever. I I've looked deep into their literature.
Speaker 1: I have looked deep into Joseph Smith. I've looked deep
Speaker 1: into what they hold to be true. I personally, as
Speaker 1: of this moment in time, can say I do not
Speaker 1: believe that these people are actual Christians whatsoever, or any
Speaker 1: version thereof. Some of them disagree with that. That's fine,
Speaker 1: that's their opinion. I got it. It's the same as like, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm Orthodox Jew, but I believe in Christ. You don't, though,
Speaker 1: but you don't but you don't. Right, it's black and white.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry as far as religion is concerned, and I
Speaker 1: understand man made religion's religiosity. It's man's word on paper,
Speaker 1: all the things I in mad respect to that point
Speaker 1: of view. With that all right, there is some very core,
Speaker 1: basic differences of beliefs between your average I don't means
Speaker 1: somebody who's like deep into like the fundies, right, the
Speaker 1: fundamentalist Mormon Church, and I'm not even talking about them,
Speaker 1: just baseline Mormons, the people that you've met in your
Speaker 1: life versus your average everyday Christian. There is some very
Speaker 1: key differences that I would make between the two. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this is how can I put this without sounding like
Speaker 1: a complete asshole. This is the same as like a
Speaker 1: gay person, okay, and believe or disbelieve in homosexuality all
Speaker 1: you want. That's not what the point of this conversation is.
Speaker 1: But like, okay, let's say you got a gay couple
Speaker 1: that decide that they want to have a child, raise
Speaker 1: a family, all the things, versus somebody who's out there
Speaker 1: doing drag queens, story time, two libraries to children. There
Speaker 1: is a very hard difference between the two. And if
Speaker 1: you can't tell what that difference is, you're actually a
Speaker 1: part of the problem. I don't think that's a hot
Speaker 1: take to make, and if that offends you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You are, in fact a part of the problem. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be that guy. But anyway, moving on,
Speaker 1: moving on, Tony, I see a hand raised. We got
Speaker 1: two hands raised right now, Tony, Lee it off. What's
Speaker 1: your take?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wanted to say a few things. I happen
Speaker 6: to have just driven through Bountiful, Utah. That's another city
Speaker 6: out there, super Mormon.
Speaker 1: Bountiful, Utah. They'd be having that, they'd be fucking yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, anyway, I was gonna start talking about gnosticism. I
Speaker 6: don't get the sense most people who say they're gnostic
Speaker 6: or really gnostic, they don't really believe in Sofia and
Speaker 6: the demiurgeons and stuff like that. It just means that
Speaker 6: you're probably raised Christian and then you got older and
Speaker 6: you got a little more universalist. And sometimes I feel
Speaker 6: that way too fair enough. Also, I've gotten tons of
Speaker 6: recent YouTube ads to join the Mormon Church. Maybe it's
Speaker 6: just me, but if that's you out there too, then
Speaker 6: you're not alone. I don't know what I do consider
Speaker 6: them Christians.
Speaker 4: Let's a pretty big umbrella.
Speaker 1: Let's let's break that down. Okay, as far as.
Speaker 6: Pretty big umbrella, it is even even Islam used to
Speaker 6: be considered a form of Christianity. At it start, it
Speaker 6: was considered a Christian heresy. Yeah, but you know, Unitarianism.
Speaker 6: I figure, what the heck I mean if you say
Speaker 6: you believe in Jesus, I just kind of take that
Speaker 6: at face value and say you're Christian. Even the Jews
Speaker 6: for Jesus. They don't call themselves Christian, but I think
Speaker 6: they are. It's like, well, you really strongly believe in
Speaker 6: Jesus in the New Testament. So even though you might
Speaker 6: have some Zionists believes too, I think they're Christian. They
Speaker 6: just don't want to call them Christian because they want
Speaker 6: to make sure that they have a foot in the
Speaker 6: door if they want to claim automatic Israeli citizenship, which
Speaker 6: many of them are still trying to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Jews crowd, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's they're Christian.
Speaker 1: Let's have that conversation real quick. As far as the
Speaker 1: gnostic conversation is concerned, most people, to your point, Tony,
Speaker 1: I would have to agree most people that classify themselves
Speaker 1: as gnostic or something nastic adjacent. And please, people who
Speaker 1: are listening right now, please do not feel personally attacked
Speaker 1: by this. If this applies to you, then take it
Speaker 1: to heart. If it doesn't, then leave where you found it.
Speaker 1: Most people that classify themselves as gnostic or Gnostic adjacent
Speaker 1: haven't done full literature. They found a couple of YouTube
Speaker 1: videos that were like rather enticing no doubt, and they
Speaker 1: brought up a couple of very really strong points with
Speaker 1: some early church fathers. And these are documented cases of
Speaker 1: things and stuff for sure, not denying. What I will
Speaker 1: say is and y'all know that I have done a
Speaker 1: deep dive onto gnosticism. It is the same conversation of scientology.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, I'm be real with y'all. I'mna real. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be a dickhead for just a second. The same
Speaker 1: people that believe in the Gnostic text i e. The
Speaker 1: Gospel of Thomas, the Lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene, whatever,
Speaker 1: these are the same people that are like two questions
Speaker 1: away from believing that scientology isn't fact the real religion.
Speaker 1: And that's fine if that's how you get down, Good
Speaker 1: for you, God bless you. It's not reality. It's not reality,
Speaker 1: Y'all's that's just what it is. Is there philosophical truths
Speaker 1: that could be gained from reading these texts. Sure, fine,
Speaker 1: it's the same as reading a Buddhist text. Is it
Speaker 1: gonna teach you how to get to heaven? I don't
Speaker 1: believe so. Will it teach you certain real deep thoughts
Speaker 1: as far as how to live a fulfilling life? Maybe? Maybe,
Speaker 1: but that's up to the interpreter Gnosticism itself, as far
Speaker 1: as the demiurge, as far as the Lost Gospels of
Speaker 1: name your patriarch slash matriarch versus what the early Christians
Speaker 1: believe versus what the early Gnostics believed. This is a
Speaker 1: one to one ratio. The Christians aka the Followers of
Speaker 1: the Way were preaching egalitarianism. They were preaching equal rights
Speaker 1: for men and women. They were preaching that nobody is
Speaker 1: greater or lesser than each other. The Gnostics believe that
Speaker 1: masturbation and specifically sex were the worst things that you
Speaker 1: could do ever, And they were leaving babies on the
Speaker 1: side of hills to die from exposure because they felt
Speaker 1: so guilty about tying a soul to a human body,
Speaker 1: because a gnossism, that's like the worst evil you could commit.
Speaker 1: And the Christians were saving these babies and bringing them
Speaker 1: up in the Christian way at the time was followers
Speaker 1: of the way. I'm sorry any of these egalitarian quote
Speaker 1: unquote whatever, quote unquote everybody's equal, everybody's whatever the Church
Speaker 1: fathers did, but it usually leads to mass death saying
Speaker 1: the Church didn't also do their own fair share of
Speaker 1: fuck shit from time to time in the earliest traditions,
Speaker 1: and the very basis of what led to narcissism as
Speaker 1: what led to the very basis of Christianity. I'm very
Speaker 1: sorry to say this. Christianity is the only reason that
Speaker 1: Western culture has grown and spread in the way that
Speaker 1: it has. If the Gnostics were in charge, you all understand,
Speaker 1: the world population would be about one fifth of what
Speaker 1: it is right now, take that for whatever grain of
Speaker 1: salt you want. Anyway, we're all visions. I see a
Speaker 1: hand raised. Go ahead and speak on a dog.
Speaker 12: Oh fucking hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hold on, take your time, dog, taking time. I
Speaker 1: tell you what. You take a second, sam spirit animal,
Speaker 1: speak on it real quick. While we're all visions. Get
Speaker 1: to where you can speak on Go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, Okay.
Speaker 13: So I just have a weird question.
Speaker 7: Why is it whenever I joined late and it's every
Speaker 7: time we're talking about some form of heretics.
Speaker 1: Dude, I didn't even know this.
Speaker 13: Is it the quickest way to summon me besides weird?
Speaker 2: Look, I try to get him on Fauci and this
Speaker 2: most going off on a like an hour and twenty
Speaker 2: minute heresy conversation. I'm trying to talk about Fauci's bitch
Speaker 2: ass little videos and all this.
Speaker 14: Ship, and he's over here like fucking Jews and the Pops.
Speaker 14: What you mean, Raven, He's in the fucking Mormans and
Speaker 14: these motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we did this.
Speaker 1: I want to I want it on record. I didn't
Speaker 1: do this, y'all could listen to the episode you asked.
Speaker 1: I asked a very basic question to a couple of
Speaker 1: resident correspondents of different faiths. I didn't do this ship,
Speaker 1: but yes to your point saying we'd be talking about
Speaker 1: heretics and ship, go ahead and speak on it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 13: So I don't know what all missed. All I know
Speaker 13: is I came in.
Speaker 7: We're talking about the how Tony thinks the the Dwarfing
Speaker 7: Vampires are actual Christians and.
Speaker 1: Because the Dwarfing Vampires aka the Jews what.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no no, with voice, he is
Speaker 7: just a regular vampire. The dwarfing vampires are mountain boy
Speaker 7: wizards people, they're the Mormons.
Speaker 1: The dwarfing vampires are ak mountain Jews ak Mormons.
Speaker 13: Yes, do you know why?
Speaker 7: Because live in the mountains under the mountains, and we
Speaker 7: call Mormon's mountains. You said that, obviously they're the dwarfing vampires.
Speaker 1: I legitimately when you said dwarfing vampires, thought you meant
Speaker 1: midget Jews. I'm s man. I didn't know where you
Speaker 1: were going with this, but I was along for the
Speaker 1: ride regardless. But all right, yes, dwarfing vampires aka Church
Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints, go ahead and speak on it, Sam,
Speaker 1: fucking no holds borrow, let's go.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, I've actually had some Latter Day Saints come
Speaker 7: up with the.
Speaker 13: Fucking white shirts that to talk about. Oh, let's talk
Speaker 13: about the Golden tablets.
Speaker 7: I said, Yes, the one that he couldn't fucking read
Speaker 7: that he didn't, right, Yeah, he was told you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to tell anyone else, transcribe it for anyone else.
Speaker 7: And he had two other people to do it for him,
Speaker 7: that one, the one that was known con Man that
Speaker 7: was lynched. Yeah, they got real fucking mad. And they
Speaker 7: short they left there shortly thereafter. He never came back
Speaker 7: to the neighborhood.
Speaker 13: So, yay me. All I'm gonna say is like they
Speaker 13: also the I think.
Speaker 7: It was Peter, he said, be be very wary I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 7: but be very aware if anyone comes other than us
Speaker 7: that comes to talk.
Speaker 13: No, be very wary of anyone who comes that will
Speaker 13: preach of the Gospels that do not adhere to us.
Speaker 7: For even the devil masquades as an angel light talking.
Speaker 13: About false prophets.
Speaker 7: I truly believe that Islam the fucking Mormon, they all
Speaker 7: of them are are They've been led astray.
Speaker 13: No offense, white woman, But I still love you.
Speaker 1: Oh he's not a Mormon. I grew up Mormon.
Speaker 12: I am not.
Speaker 4: I do not consider all.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, white boy Wizard might be many things. Okay,
Speaker 1: he might be many things. To call him a Mormon
Speaker 1: that I personally would say is a lie.
Speaker 7: Anyway, continue, I do have him in my in my
Speaker 7: phone as the dwarf in vampire.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, Sam, what.
Speaker 3: The of all things for Christ?
Speaker 1: All the things that tristan whiteboy Wizard, owner of his
Speaker 1: own company out there killing it in Idaho. The milk,
Speaker 1: like the milk drinker himself ravenly said it not me, y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all heard it. We all occasion night and milk still
Speaker 1: made its way way for butt stuff to come in.
Speaker 1: Beside the points, Tristan is not a Mormon, but saying
Speaker 1: to your point, please continue.
Speaker 7: Okay, then, so if I'm not mistaken, they y'all still
Speaker 7: believe Jesus was crucified.
Speaker 1: Couickt Ooh, good question. The Mormons do believe that Jesus
Speaker 1: was crucified, But I have heard different stories as far
Speaker 1: as whether they believe the Gnostic version of Oh is
Speaker 1: Jesus's spirit therefore wasn't actually him versus some Mormons believing
Speaker 1: it was actually him. This is a fair question, Sam, Okay, Trisa,
Speaker 1: speak on it.
Speaker 13: There's also.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they think it was him for sure.
Speaker 8: But you go and try to tell one of them
Speaker 8: that Jesus is God, They'll fucking have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: So they got no problem with acknowledging that Jesus crew
Speaker 1: was crucified by Pontius Pilot, third governor of Judea. But
Speaker 1: they got a real problem with the Holy Trinity, I e.
Speaker 1: Jesus in the flesh. The Mormons have issue. Okay, awesome
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 8: It's God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It's three separate entities,
Speaker 8: and I'm never they'll never can see that Jesus is God.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, fair enough, Sam continue.
Speaker 13: To directly rebottle that, quoting from the New Testament. Uh,
Speaker 13: in the beginning, there was the word, the world was
Speaker 13: with him and the world was him. There you go that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Mormons don't believe in the New Testament. They
Speaker 1: think of that as the Old Testament. They think of
Speaker 1: the Old Testament as like the extra Old Testament.
Speaker 13: Jesus came to the natives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, which, Dude, I've tried. I've really tried.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, y'all know how to do deep dives in
Speaker 1: the ship. I've done a serious deep dive into the
Speaker 1: Mormon faith of how they believe Jesus like jumped from
Speaker 1: place to place to people to people. Dude, the fucking
Speaker 1: Jesus from Jerusalem to the Utah natives is that is
Speaker 1: a wild fucking jump, Dude.
Speaker 7: What they believe they are the true like sons of
Speaker 7: the true Jews, because that's why they renamed the biggest
Speaker 7: thing the Mountain, z iion correct me if I'm along
Speaker 7: the white boy.
Speaker 6: No, I think you're right, that's true. And I still
Speaker 6: think they're Christians and the Trinity is not clearly explained
Speaker 6: in the Bible. And if they want to believe crazy
Speaker 6: things about early North America whatever, I don't think that
Speaker 6: really changes the overall picture that much. Well. I mean,
Speaker 6: I consider Christianity to be a very big umbrella. And
Speaker 6: even even Islam was considered a Christian heretical sect in
Speaker 6: the beginning.
Speaker 1: Well, Tony, hold on, Hold, hold the fuck on, Tony,
Speaker 1: as of time of re you classified the Mormons as Christian.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I said that like twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 1: In what way, dog, I have to ask you, in
Speaker 1: what way?
Speaker 6: Well, they have the entire Old Testament and New Testament, sure,
Speaker 6: Joseph Smith. Uh, the Muslims kind of recapitulated all that stuff.
Speaker 6: They think that the original stuff was corrupted, so they
Speaker 6: have their own version. But it's ninety nine or ninety
Speaker 6: the same. But yeah, if they believe in Jesus, even
Speaker 6: if they don't believe he was literally you know, one
Speaker 6: in being with the Fathers, the nice and Creed says,
Speaker 6: and they only believe that he was his son. That's
Speaker 6: what the Jehovah's witnesses believe. That's what the marci Uknites believe.
Speaker 1: That's what which is why they're both considered non Christian.
Speaker 6: Dog well, heretic is not non Christian in my opinion,
Speaker 6: what artics basic, heretic just means he gets some things wrong.
Speaker 1: Which wait, pause, fucking pause, everything stops. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: and for the record, tell me, please don't think that
Speaker 1: I'm coming like at you by any means. I got
Speaker 1: to hear your explanation on this. You don't believe that hereticy? Hereticy? Yeah, heresy.
Speaker 1: You don't believe the heresy means they're non Christian? Why
Speaker 1: and how dog well, you don't believe in half the
Speaker 1: Old Testament? So we have to at least agree on
Speaker 1: the New Testament. And if these people don't agree on
Speaker 1: the New Testament, they can't be classified as Christian, you
Speaker 1: would assume, right.
Speaker 6: No, No, I think people get way too bogged down
Speaker 6: in every little detail of the New Testament, and then
Speaker 6: they consider it any one percent deviation from it to
Speaker 6: be you know, too much of a heresy. We gotta
Speaker 6: go to war. You're not even christian You start hearing
Speaker 6: stuff like that, and I think Christianity is just a
Speaker 6: really big umbrella. And if somebody self identifies as Christian,
Speaker 6: I just take them at their word unless they unless
Speaker 6: there's something extremely egregious. Dude, I don't have to morm
Speaker 6: to be egregious enough.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, how in the actual fuck
Speaker 1: are you a Catholic? And again, please don't take this
Speaker 1: to me challenging you at your core, but I mean,
Speaker 1: if you do, it is it is. Dude. How are
Speaker 1: you classified as a Catholic if you don't even agree
Speaker 1: with the very core foundational beliefs of Christendom?
Speaker 13: I think I'm more.
Speaker 6: I think I think we're speaking of way too many
Speaker 6: generalities here.
Speaker 1: We are. We are speaking full generalities here, absolutely, but
Speaker 1: still you need to speak on it.
Speaker 6: Okay, everybody's got their concept of what true authentic Christianity is,
Speaker 6: and I guess the question is how much deviation can
Speaker 6: somebody else have from that before you consider them to
Speaker 6: be a heretic, which is synonymous with non Christian in
Speaker 6: your point of view, and in my point of view,
Speaker 6: Catholicism is the most correct version. And that's why I'm
Speaker 6: Catholic and I go, I believe Jesus existed, and I
Speaker 6: believe that you should believe in Jesus to go to
Speaker 6: heaven and that you know, God can work outside of
Speaker 6: that for people who've never heard of Jesus, especially little
Speaker 6: infants and stuff like that. And I don't know how
Speaker 6: to explain every little minutia thing.
Speaker 1: And let's let's go off the core foundation of Catholicism
Speaker 1: versus Protestantism. Okay, let's let's work off of that and
Speaker 1: work all way backwards. Do you personally, just speaking, you're
Speaker 1: not speaking on behalf of Catholicism, you're speaking on behalf
Speaker 1: of Tony. Do you believe that transubstantiation is a requirement
Speaker 1: for uh, the very basis of uh, you know, sanctification.
Speaker 6: Well, yes, I think the Bible's pretty clear on that.
Speaker 6: You might differ, and I think Lutheranism, Yeah, Lutheranism broken
Speaker 6: with the Catholic Church and they had to come up
Speaker 6: with some kind of different way to explain how oh,
Speaker 6: it's still there even though we don't have Apostolic succession.
Speaker 6: I hope that we're not losing Raven too much in
Speaker 6: this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But okay, that's besides the point, we ain't even talking
Speaker 1: about Raven right now. Hold on, so just Tony speaking
Speaker 1: on behalf of Tony, you do believe transubstantiation For those
Speaker 1: that don't know, this would be whenever you take the sacrament,
Speaker 1: So you set the wine, you take the bread, you
Speaker 1: personally just speaking Tony on behalf of Tony.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe that's true.
Speaker 1: This is Jesus's body and blood. It transforms itself between
Speaker 1: it entering your mouth and before it hit your stomach.
Speaker 1: You're actually eating Jesus. And you personally just speaking way
Speaker 1: half of yourself believe that this is a requirement as
Speaker 1: far as what can lead to salvation? Am I correct?
Speaker 6: Yes, I do believe that.
Speaker 1: Okay, how in the fuck does Mormonism fall in line
Speaker 1: with this?
Speaker 6: Dog Well, I don't know if they have a belief
Speaker 6: like that. If they do, they don't have Apostolic succession
Speaker 6: and it's not valid. But by the same by the
Speaker 6: same argument, I would have to argue that all Lutherans
Speaker 6: and Calvinists and all other non Catholics are not just
Speaker 6: heretics but non Christian. And I don't hold a view
Speaker 6: that strict. I think Christianity is a pretty darn big umbrella,
Speaker 6: and a lot of people can be Christians and also
Speaker 6: be an error in minor in major ways, and that's
Speaker 6: what heresy is.
Speaker 1: Okay. But but to your point though, to circle back to,
Speaker 1: you believe that the Mormons are Christian, but they are
Speaker 1: in heresy, i e. They are in fault correct. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but they are still counted among his flock. In a greater.
Speaker 6: Sentence, Uh huh, Yeah, I think he restated it pretty well.
Speaker 6: Christianity to me is a pretty pretty big umbrella.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we have throughout the line.
Speaker 6: So you consider Catholics, He's orthodog, Calvinists and everything to
Speaker 6: be okay, but still Christian.
Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 6: Is anti Christian basically or non Christians.
Speaker 1: All right. I haven't really peeled back the layers on
Speaker 1: my own beliefs on this one, but I shall, I shall, Okay.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that there are Christians that are Catholic
Speaker 1: that are still saved to the truest form and are
Speaker 1: going to be counted among the flock when the time
Speaker 1: comes and they die. Absolutely? Absolutely, do I believe there
Speaker 1: are Mormons that are no, not even not even one
Speaker 1: actually with I should give the caveat with the research
Speaker 1: that I have done into their religion, into their ways,
Speaker 1: into their rituals, all the things I can't find actually one,
Speaker 1: not even one thing that the Mormons believe that make
Speaker 1: them a Christian other than the fact that they believe
Speaker 1: in the Old and New Testament. But by that same logic,
Speaker 1: by that same logic, members of the retinue, we could
Speaker 1: say Christians are actually Jews and are a part of
Speaker 1: God's chosen Few based on the literature. That's not a
Speaker 1: true statement. Christians are not Jews. We do not adhere
Speaker 1: to Hamperor law. We're not vampire sam We're not fucking vampires,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying now. Now, with that being said,
Speaker 1: do we as Christians take our references in our notes
Speaker 1: from the ancient Hebrew laws before the time of the
Speaker 1: New Covenant? Absolutely? For sure. Do the Mormons take their
Speaker 1: notes from the old laws in the time before the
Speaker 1: New Covenant.
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Not even they don't even take their laws from Jesus
Speaker 1: from the New Covenant. They make are shipped up from
Speaker 1: a dude who was a known con artist and freemason
Speaker 1: and freemason. Thank you, Tristan and all their temple rituals
Speaker 1: and all the ship that they do inside that it's masonry.
Speaker 1: That's all it fucking is point blank one plus one
Speaker 1: equals to to be a member of them, of the
Speaker 1: Church of Latter day Saints is essentially to be an
Speaker 1: adherent to freemasonry.
Speaker 7: Now heretics by the Catholics, you cannot be a you
Speaker 7: cannot go to heaven if you are a freemason.
Speaker 6: According to the Pope, heresy is not necessarily non Christianity,
Speaker 6: though I would pop.
Speaker 1: The popes would disagree with you on that one tony.
Speaker 6: All heresy is anti christian No, I don't think they
Speaker 6: would agree with me on that. I mean you'd agree
Speaker 6: with you on.
Speaker 1: That, Okay. And then this is not me speaking on
Speaker 1: behalf of Jacob. I am saying John Paul, Pope Benedict,
Speaker 1: Pope Francis, all of the Holy Church Fathers, the Vicars
Speaker 1: of Rome, the direct line between Christianity and God. According
Speaker 1: to Roman Catholic faith, have agreed that if you are
Speaker 1: a part of any secret society, not just free Masonry,
Speaker 1: any secret society, you are communicated excommunicator, You're not a
Speaker 1: part of the fold. You are not going to heaven.
Speaker 1: I'm correct, that's my point. So with that mind free masonry,
Speaker 1: most of the top elites, of the top elites I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, your average local lodge attendee is not some
Speaker 1: sort of adherent to some secret cabal that is trying
Speaker 1: to you know, traffic humans and do Satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 1: and all these things. But according to the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: if you are a Freemason, you are not Catholic. You
Speaker 1: cannot be that both at the same time period, end
Speaker 1: of conversation. And so says the Pope.
Speaker 13: I mean with what they did to the Knights Templar, which.
Speaker 1: Different, different conversation because at the time the Knights Templar
Speaker 1: were funding multiple kingdoms, and multiple multiple kingdoms decided that
Speaker 1: they wanted to come at them for their Basically, they
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay their fucking loans. It was the
Speaker 1: French king that led the charge. But like the Spanish,
Speaker 1: and the Italians and and the well we could say,
Speaker 1: the Polish aka the Teutonic Order who ran that area whatever,
Speaker 1: none of them wanted to pay their debts. So they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck the Templars, they're heretics. They're worshiping John the Baptist
Speaker 1: head there's no actual credible evidence to say such.
Speaker 13: The Pope, like the Pope what years ago said yeah, no,
Speaker 13: we lied that. I there are.
Speaker 7: Which keep in mind when the Grand Master was fucking
Speaker 7: torched on Friday the thirteenth is which is where and
Speaker 7: one says, oh, it's a bad day.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he said, y'all both will fill the wrath of God.
Speaker 13: You will both be dead within the year and they
Speaker 13: gotten worm.
Speaker 1: Jacques to molet I know the story. Well, the group
Speaker 1: that I'm a part of is.
Speaker 7: So wouldn't you technically be a hairtic because you're a
Speaker 7: part of a group of society if you will.
Speaker 1: However, the group that I'm a part of is zero
Speaker 1: percent secretive. Our monthly meetings, our our minutes are open source.
Speaker 1: You could you, as matter of fact, Sam, if you
Speaker 1: want to come to our meeting, I invite you as
Speaker 1: my personal guests, like we have nothing to hide it now.
Speaker 7: I give your later or whatever the fuck he's called
Speaker 7: on gift m Katana.
Speaker 1: There you go. Now, However, secret societies, as spoken of
Speaker 1: in the New Testament, if it is done in secret,
Speaker 1: let it be brought to light. There's a reason for
Speaker 1: this because at the time of the writing of the
Speaker 1: New Testament. There was a lot of secret societies, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of Gnostics schools, there was mystery cults,
Speaker 1: all these things going on. And no, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that somebody who is an adherent to the Lost Gospel
Speaker 1: of Mary Magdalene, oh well, they're still a Christian. No,
Speaker 1: not at all, actually, and I'm not alone in that.
Speaker 1: Most of the early church fathers would agree, which is
Speaker 1: why these councils and synods were happened. But Tony, I
Speaker 1: have to like reiterate this, how and why do you
Speaker 1: personally classify Mormons as Christian based off of your understanding?
Speaker 6: On my understanding, they claim they believe in Jesus and
Speaker 6: that by Jesus you will be saved. I don't know
Speaker 6: the details, but.
Speaker 1: So the Muslims though, the Muslims believe that Jesus is
Speaker 1: the savior that they're waiting for to come back down there.
Speaker 1: Although if you look at the words of Mohammed, peace
Speaker 1: be upon him, fuck him, he remains right. He was
Speaker 1: saying that Jesus is going to be the one to
Speaker 1: come back down when the time comes. But he also
Speaker 1: believed that Jesus was again some sort of a gnostic being,
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually him those crucified, it was his essence
Speaker 1: all these things. By would they the same way, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't classify Mormons as Christian. I wouldn't classify Muslims as Christian.
Speaker 1: I believe that these two are very equal statements to make.
Speaker 6: Right, And I think Islam Muslims don't want to be
Speaker 6: classified as Christian either right more. Yeah, in the early days,
Speaker 6: abdel Maleick had crostas on his coinage and he reigned
Speaker 6: in like six ninety a d That was thirty years
Speaker 6: after I mean sixty years after Muhammad died and after
Speaker 6: the ration of doing Calys, So it was still kind
Speaker 6: of a muddy situation. And they could have been arguably Christian.
Speaker 6: But they don't self identify that way anymore, and they
Speaker 6: haven't for a long time. In an interesting way, uh,
Speaker 6: Muslim and Islam were not used to describe the religion
Speaker 6: for like a couple hundred years after it started.
Speaker 1: Because they didn't know what to call themselves. They were
Speaker 1: a following of a cult.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they call themselves Ishmael Lights because they believe you know,
Speaker 6: is Ishmael and Isaac and all that stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think Mormons want to be considered Christian, just politically because
Speaker 6: that's more of an acceptable thing to be and that,
Speaker 6: and they get upset when you say they're non Christian.
Speaker 6: But that's not I don't care about their feelings. I
Speaker 6: just I think that whenever somebody says they believe in Jesus,
Speaker 6: and I think they're saved by Jesus, even if they
Speaker 6: have other weird beliefs in addition to that, I just
Speaker 6: take them at face value, and we don't. I differ
Speaker 6: on that, and that's fair.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to like start a fight
Speaker 1: between you and I.
Speaker 6: I just yeah, I know, but I have more questions
Speaker 6: for you. So who's Christian and non Christian? But when
Speaker 6: you're considering like Lutherans, Anglicans, Unit Christian Science, Puritans, there's
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of these groups. Jehovah's Witnesses another sure question.
Speaker 6: They don't have any added scripture at all, They just
Speaker 6: have the one we have. But people think they're not
Speaker 6: Christian either. So seventh Day at Venice, you know you
Speaker 6: don't have to answer all of these.
Speaker 1: I know these are very fair questions, Tony. Honestly, these
Speaker 1: are very fair questions.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I just don't know where to draw lines.
Speaker 6: So I don't really draw the line, you know, too strictly,
Speaker 6: I say, okay, whatever, it's a big umbrella. You want
Speaker 6: to call yourself Christian. Fine, I'll take you a face value,
Speaker 6: even if you believe a lot of heretical things in
Speaker 6: my opinion in addition to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here is where I, speaking only on behalf
Speaker 1: of the Cajun night, draw the line. And even members
Speaker 1: of the group that I belong to, who are Eastern Orthodox,
Speaker 1: who are Roman Catholic, all these things that they may
Speaker 1: disagree with the statement I'm about to make. And before
Speaker 1: I make this statement, please understand this is not coming
Speaker 1: from place of hatred. This is coming from a place
Speaker 1: of love. All the things and the stuff that being said.
Speaker 1: So where I draw the line as far as christendom
Speaker 1: versus something heretical. So I do believe that basically, if
Speaker 1: you acknowledge Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior, and
Speaker 1: you acknowledge his death as penance for your sins, then
Speaker 1: you're good to go. Do I believe that baptism is
Speaker 1: necessary for salvation? No? I don't. Is it nice? Is
Speaker 1: it a thing to add on to all the things. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I do fully recognize and believe that if you are
Speaker 1: a follower of Christ should be baptized. Jesus was baptized,
Speaker 1: you should get baptized. Yes, one hundred percent. Do I
Speaker 1: believe that it's some sort of like a requirement to
Speaker 1: get to Heaven? No, not at all. Do I believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, just going off of the very baseline, I
Speaker 1: believe in following the Scripture to a t when it
Speaker 1: comes to the New Testament, aside from the obvious translations
Speaker 1: where it's meant to be interpreted like the Book of Revelations,
Speaker 1: we should be interpreting this, not applying it to our
Speaker 1: lives as a one plus one equals to type of
Speaker 1: situation that I don't think that's a while take to
Speaker 1: have just thing it out. Do I believe in the
Speaker 1: power of the Pentecost, Yes? Do I believe in the
Speaker 1: power of taking of the sacraments? Yes, absolute, fucking lutely absolutely, Yes.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that taking of the bread and taking
Speaker 1: of the wine in the spirit of Christ is that
Speaker 1: a good thing? Yes? I one hundred percent agree. And
Speaker 1: if you're somebody whose denomination believes in taking of the
Speaker 1: sacraments by all means, do it please? Jesus literally told
Speaker 1: his disciples to do so. However, do I believe that
Speaker 1: somebody who has never taken of the sacraments could make
Speaker 1: it to heaven? Yeah, for sure, because the requirements to
Speaker 1: get to heaven, Baptism is not even a requirement to
Speaker 1: get to heaven.
Speaker 7: Hell.
Speaker 1: Even the Eastern Orthodox, who are considered high mass Christianity,
Speaker 1: do not believe that. Oh well, if somebody was on
Speaker 1: their way to get baptized and they died in a
Speaker 1: car wreck, are they still saved? Well then yes, Well,
Speaker 1: then your entire fucking statement is debunked. As far as
Speaker 1: the whole baptism is the only way to get to
Speaker 1: heaven conversation. Which is why I do not believe that
Speaker 1: infants should be baptized. An infant cannot make a decision
Speaker 1: on their own. Now, a group of parents, whether that
Speaker 1: be two or whatever the case is here, judge wants
Speaker 1: to make the decision to raise their child in a
Speaker 1: Christian household, and when there are when that child is
Speaker 1: of age, gets baptized. By all means, yes, I stand
Speaker 1: by this, I celebrate this. I all of the things
Speaker 1: I don't believe the baptism is gonna be the thing
Speaker 1: to keep you from Heaven when the time comes. Just
Speaker 1: point blank, I don't believe that if you've never taken
Speaker 1: of the sacraments, you're gonna go to Hell. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that either, if you don't pray to Mary,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's gonna be your one way
Speaker 1: ticket to Hell either. I do believe that we as
Speaker 1: Protestants should give Mary way more credence and flowers than
Speaker 1: we do. And I full on speaking on this as
Speaker 1: a non denominational, the non de noomal national group, the Protestants,
Speaker 1: the Baptist the whatever. Mary's womb is the arc of
Speaker 1: the New Covenant, we should acknowledge that to the same
Speaker 1: level and degree as David acknowledged the ark of the
Speaker 1: Covenant going through the streets of Jerusalem. We should be dancing,
Speaker 1: we should be celebrating, We should hold some reverence for
Speaker 1: the name of Mary, like I fully believe. I mean,
Speaker 1: and even to say that the Mother of God, the
Speaker 1: Mother of God, that is a crazy statement to make
Speaker 1: in certain regards, because like God has no mother, because God,
Speaker 1: the Creator has no beginning, therefore has no end. Therefore
Speaker 1: has no mother. However, the fact that Mary was chosen
Speaker 1: to be the vessel of the savior of humanity, we
Speaker 1: should put some serious levels upon levels of respect on
Speaker 1: the name of Mary who married Joseph to lead to
Speaker 1: the salvation of humanity from the from the the well.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to be crude here, but
Speaker 1: basically her womb produced the Savior of humanity. We should
Speaker 1: hold it with that type of respect and reverence. I
Speaker 1: will say to your point, Tony, and to the point
Speaker 1: of the Catholics, specifically the Roman Catholics, we should hold
Speaker 1: Mary at a way higher level than most of the
Speaker 1: denominations actually hold her. Oh she was a cool chick,
Speaker 1: but you know, no big deal, no big deal. The
Speaker 1: arc of the New Covenant is no fucking big deal.
Speaker 1: It blows my mind. It blows my mind. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's as far as Roman Catholicism is concerned, there is
Speaker 1: uh scriptoral doctrine that presides over things and stuff, and
Speaker 1: then there is a long church history of things that
Speaker 1: preside over things and stuff. I disagree with the majority
Speaker 1: of the human doctrinal things that preside over things and stuff.
Speaker 1: I believe in full scripture period. Stop for the most part.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think you're proving my point. It's really hard
Speaker 6: to draw a line on what's Christian and what isn't
Speaker 6: and what you're talking about with theo tokos and Mother
Speaker 6: of God. It is considered a condemned heresy if you
Speaker 6: believe in Nestorianism. And he was the one who challenged
Speaker 6: Mary being called the Mother of God in the fifth
Speaker 6: century under Theodosius the first and the second. And I
Speaker 6: think people back then were probably smarter than I am,
Speaker 6: because I was looking this up on Wikipedia just this
Speaker 6: past week with my dad and I was telling him
Speaker 6: I don't understand it, and he said they were smarter
Speaker 6: than we are. But they said he said that it's
Speaker 6: a crystallogic wells against Colin Mother the Mary of God.
Speaker 6: But the Catholic position is that she has to be
Speaker 6: called that because to not do so would be to
Speaker 6: separate Jesus' divine nature from his human nature.
Speaker 1: Right, which at the same time as you're saying that
Speaker 1: the Mormons fully believe in denying Jesus's holy nature from
Speaker 1: his divine nature.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe Nestorius was a Christian even though he's
Speaker 6: a condemned heretic. He's a heretic, but he's still a
Speaker 6: Christian in my opinion because he still fits under that
Speaker 6: umbrella where he believes in Jesus. We're just arguing over
Speaker 6: something way more obscure in my opinion. Okay, so do
Speaker 6: you think Nastorius was a Christian?
Speaker 1: Not really, No, because Nestorius himself, if you look at
Speaker 1: his list of heresies, it wasn't just one thing, it
Speaker 1: was like eight things that Nestorius himself fully believe that
Speaker 1: I believe. Yes, did he fully believe that Jesus was
Speaker 1: a divine being? Yes? Did he believe all of what
Speaker 1: goes into being a divine being? No? No, he did not.
Speaker 1: And it's the same conversation the Mormons have when it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jesus was like a great guy, but who wasn't like
Speaker 1: the guy? It was Joseph Smith that was the guy.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, no, you're you are very much
Speaker 1: missing the point. Jesus didn't say. Joseph Smith is the
Speaker 1: way the truth in the life, and no one goes
Speaker 1: to the Father exceptor Joseph Smith. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't know what Nestorius A's other teachings were
Speaker 6: the Marian stuff is the only stuff he's famous for.
Speaker 6: But maybe next week you or I can enlighten the
Speaker 6: crew on this.
Speaker 1: I be down, I be down. I'd be down. And
Speaker 1: for the record, if anybody in the chat wants to
Speaker 1: break down the early Church fathers him by early Church fathers,
Speaker 1: I do, I mean pre six hundred AD. Like, let's
Speaker 1: let's get to the meme potatoes, y'all. Let's not negate
Speaker 1: over some shit that went down to the Renaissance when
Speaker 1: the Roman Church was obviously running the gambit and you
Speaker 1: had to fall in line with certain things. And anybody
Speaker 1: who no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no six hundred AD
Speaker 1: on back. And I did say AD rather than CE
Speaker 1: because I am, in fact a Christian shocker to those
Speaker 1: that listen to the Cage to Night. I know, if
Speaker 1: you or somebody that you know has some sort of
Speaker 1: like hardcore point that you would like to bring up
Speaker 1: next week as far as what the early Church doctrine
Speaker 1: versus the modern Church church doctrine based off of the Synods,
Speaker 1: based off of all the things, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear it. I would love to hear it. I would
Speaker 1: love to debate it. Openly with all of you before
Speaker 1: we get to Sam. I know your hand's been up
Speaker 1: for a minute, Norse Trucker, I do need to ask you, dog,
Speaker 1: please unmute yourself, nor Strucker. We've been talking about things, stuff,
Speaker 1: mostly within the realm of Christianity here. What is your
Speaker 1: take on everything we have said thus far? Is it
Speaker 1: just basically not y'all are fighting about dumb shit, so
Speaker 1: fuck y'all? Or do you think there's some actual weight
Speaker 1: to be had in these conversations.
Speaker 12: No, talking about some dumb shit, but like, I love it.
Speaker 12: Let's go God, I'm joking. I'm totally joking.
Speaker 1: Fucking go hard, dude, we're here.
Speaker 12: Right, But like, uh, you guys got to remember, most
Speaker 12: of your religion was built up by uh man, it
Speaker 12: wasn't built up by an actual goth right even even
Speaker 12: my religion is not built.
Speaker 1: Up by the gods, right, right, most of your religion
Speaker 1: is built up by Catholic monks who wrote down the things.
Speaker 12: Wrote down things and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so we can't really take what our quote unquote scripture.
Speaker 12: It's not scripture, but it's just a book, right, what
Speaker 12: we what they actually said, because it could be a
Speaker 12: little christianized right, or it could be a little bit
Speaker 12: Norse pagan. We just take everything simply by how it
Speaker 12: is right and have our own faith in that the
Speaker 12: gods will help us the way we need them to
Speaker 12: help us.
Speaker 1: Break that down a little deeper, Norse trucker, So you're
Speaker 1: basically saying whether it's Christian, whether it's pagan. This is
Speaker 1: like saying whether it's oil, whether it's water, whether it's hot,
Speaker 1: whether it's cold, whether it's light, whether it's dark. This
Speaker 1: is this is very contrarianism statements that you just made.
Speaker 1: Break it down for those that may not understand how
Speaker 1: you particularly vibe, I particularly vibe been.
Speaker 12: As if you are the good person in through your life, right,
Speaker 12: you go and do good things for people. Oh and
Speaker 12: I just got to pull my trailer up. You do good,
Speaker 12: good things for people.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm sorry, did you say pull your trailer? You're
Speaker 1: a you're a trucker. Did you just put your trailer up?
Speaker 1: In like one second, what the fuck has happened?
Speaker 12: No, I I've been sitting here for a while.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, Okay.
Speaker 12: So basically, like if you're doing all these things, poor
Speaker 12: your fellow man, right, you should be good to get
Speaker 12: into your heaven your uh, well, our version of heaven
Speaker 12: would be the hell. Right.
Speaker 1: So if you're doing these things for your fellow man,
Speaker 1: basically you do good by people. The spirit, realm, the ethereal,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, will do good by you. Sure,
Speaker 1: how do you know that you are backing somebody who
Speaker 1: is morally good and upright?
Speaker 12: By definition? You would have to have the heart to
Speaker 12: go and see if they are actually a good person themselves.
Speaker 12: If you know of a person that is not a
Speaker 12: good person, would you back that person?
Speaker 1: The reason why I ask specifically towards Nordic Paganism, which
Speaker 1: you are and adherent to. Okay, and before I say
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say, please y'all, I am throwing
Speaker 1: no shade on any body for anything, but like just
Speaker 1: throwing it out here Linda's farn. Okay. We had vikings
Speaker 1: that raided a village. Whether the villagers Christian, Muslim, jew
Speaker 1: a fucking talism, it doesn't matter. The vikings came in
Speaker 1: and raided a peaceful settlement and somehow was seen as
Speaker 1: a positive thing in the Nordic pagan religion. Explain why
Speaker 1: murdering and raping people is considered a positive in the
Speaker 1: Nordic religion, please sir.
Speaker 12: So it put it this way, somebody's coming across the
Speaker 12: channel and the evading force is just there to go
Speaker 12: and trade or something like that. The people that see this,
Speaker 12: these boats coming in from the shore see them as
Speaker 12: a threat.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 12: They go down to a beach or something like that,
Speaker 12: or field and they're like, hey, we're here, right when
Speaker 12: really they the on shoot. The people that are just
Speaker 12: trying to defend their home because they don't know who
Speaker 12: they are, are like, hell no, we're not having it
Speaker 12: an attack. First, I pause.
Speaker 1: You're saying that the the siege and the sacking of
Speaker 1: Linda's Form is justified because if the Vikings wouldn't have
Speaker 1: attacked Linda's foreign the Christians would have attacked them.
Speaker 12: Yeah what if? What if they? What if the Christians
Speaker 12: attacked them because they've seen them as a threat.
Speaker 1: There's almost zero point zero percent historical evidence to back
Speaker 1: that claim.
Speaker 12: Brother, I know there is right, because it's all written
Speaker 12: by man.
Speaker 1: I mean yes, but also the Viking literature of the
Speaker 1: the pro all the things, they they lean more heavily
Speaker 1: towards conquering and uh, you know, not conversion to the
Speaker 1: religion by sword point, by any means. But also we're
Speaker 1: not gonna shy away from the fact that it basically says,
Speaker 1: if you're not a believer in woe, dinner, od in,
Speaker 1: depending on what country you come from, you get got right.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 12: But who wrote them stories?
Speaker 15: Allegedly the uh you know, Viking historians, although it was
Speaker 15: transcribed through Christian monks.
Speaker 1: Who right?
Speaker 12: So if the story was told by a victor, right
Speaker 12: would have been if the story was told by a
Speaker 12: defeated force, would it tell a different story?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 12: Right, So then it's the actually the victor that told
Speaker 12: the story.
Speaker 1: With that in mind, me and you have discussed this
Speaker 1: in the DMS, but I'm willing to hug this conversation
Speaker 1: should go out for the world. According to Nordic paganism,
Speaker 1: there is seven realms correct nine nine, and we don't
Speaker 1: even know what two of them are because two of
Speaker 1: the realms can be called different things. It's it's basically
Speaker 1: like saying, like Louisiana versus a Kadiana, Oh, these are
Speaker 1: two separate realms. They're not though as far as the
Speaker 1: mass concern so as far as the Nordic paganism is concerned.
Speaker 1: We don't even know what two of the nine realms
Speaker 1: are actually listed as, because depending on the literature you read,
Speaker 1: they're listed as the same fucking thing.
Speaker 12: Correct almost, Yeah, yeah, I think it's the heim and
Speaker 12: uh time that it kind of sounds similar. Ol Heimen
Speaker 12: is actually uh land of the Elves, Yes, that was elves,
Speaker 12: and super Timen is actually the land of uh the.
Speaker 1: Dwarfs, the land of the Dwarfs. A ka, Sam, I
Speaker 1: see your hand, the land of the Jews, you said it.
Speaker 7: I know, yeah, well yes, in any other setting, but
Speaker 7: he's actually you have the elves, you have the the fairies,
Speaker 7: and then you asked with then there's one where there's
Speaker 7: fairies and everything.
Speaker 1: They're all gmc sam, They're all.
Speaker 7: The gypsies are the are the colorful vampires due to
Speaker 7: like the.
Speaker 1: Calico vampires, the Caligo vampires, the.
Speaker 4: Last tribe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, fucking run it, let's go right god, okay,
Speaker 1: but all right, okay, super serious anyway, okay, so anyway,
Speaker 1: Norse Trucker being adherent to the Norse pagan religion. As
Speaker 1: we are talking about what is and is not Christian,
Speaker 1: what isn't is not uh you know, liturgical just speaking
Speaker 1: on behalf of yourself. You can give a fuck less correct.
Speaker 12: Oh no, like if you guys to do like the
Speaker 12: other night, we you wanted everybody wanted you to do
Speaker 12: a prayer. As soon as I piped up, you went
Speaker 12: and did the prayer, right. Don't don't worry about that stuff.
Speaker 1: Which I was. I was curious, dude, because for everybody
Speaker 1: who's less thaning right now on the call to Conspiracy Live,
Speaker 1: we I I was asked to do a prayer by
Speaker 1: white boy wizard. I'm Dad, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: pro you know, how could I word this? I try
Speaker 1: not to let my religion bleed through as much as
Speaker 1: it can, because there are so many people who believe
Speaker 1: in so many different things that are part of our
Speaker 1: cult collective. When it comes to the retinue, we have
Speaker 1: also a very diverse crowd. And I don't want anybody
Speaker 1: to be offended by anything that I do. But you
Speaker 1: you took no offense by anything that I said.
Speaker 12: No who says that I didn't do my part? And
Speaker 12: send to God to go and watch.
Speaker 1: Over break that down a little bit for anybody who
Speaker 1: may not know about the Norse Pagan religion, who might
Speaker 1: be questioning how you sent some positive intention towards Nelson's way.
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Speaker 1: father suffered a heart attack, I offered a prayer. You
Speaker 1: did not take offense to this, break this down?
Speaker 12: No, basically whatever whatever helped the person, like your faith,
Speaker 12: even the Muslim base we don't like, you know, but
Speaker 12: even the Muslim base. If we had a Muslim in
Speaker 12: air and he's like, oh well I'll pray to I'll ah, well,
Speaker 12: that's helping a person. We're giving him good vibes, go
Speaker 12: and do the thing to get through something.
Speaker 1: Vies yeah a good bye.
Speaker 12: Right, I don't I don't know what you guys got it?
Speaker 5: So yeah, But like for me, I I asked her to.
Speaker 12: Go and help him in his recovery.
Speaker 1: Yes, who is it.
Speaker 12: Girl, I asked, girl?
Speaker 1: Going no.
Speaker 4: E, I R yeah, I are.
Speaker 1: Okay, right.
Speaker 12: I asked her to go and watch over, right, please
Speaker 12: watch over Nelson's father. That kind of thing, right, as
Speaker 12: you were doing your prayer.
Speaker 1: So Er in Norse mythology is a goddess and valkyrie
Speaker 1: associated with the medical skill, healing, and mercy. The term
Speaker 1: also refer to let'st I'm just skipping ahead here. Regional
Speaker 1: healthcare collaboration focus on improving care and knowledge for individuals
Speaker 1: with epilepsy and intellectual disabilities. Okay, so, as I was
Speaker 1: offering prayers to God for you know, Nelson's father's recovery,
Speaker 1: you're offering is it intentions to Er?
Speaker 12: No, I'm I'm asking her to go and help, right,
Speaker 12: I am asking her to go and help.
Speaker 1: So within the nomodic realm, you can ask gods for help.
Speaker 1: They can or cannot help you, depending on how they
Speaker 1: feel that day. Basically, you're asking for their assistance in
Speaker 1: whatever you have going on in your life at that time,
Speaker 1: and even if they want to be assholes, right, even
Speaker 1: if they want to be dicks and be like, no,
Speaker 1: you need to experience this for some greater thing later
Speaker 1: on down the road that you can't see right now.
Speaker 1: What if the case is they're going to aid you
Speaker 1: in their way.
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, they will aid you in their way in
Speaker 12: some shape or form. So the base, the basic basically
Speaker 12: it could have went one or two ways. It went
Speaker 12: good because we found out that night. So yeah, but
Speaker 12: she is godness mercy as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. I'm just you know, and as we
Speaker 1: have gone down the rabbit hole on so many different
Speaker 1: versions of Christianity, I was just curious what our resident
Speaker 1: Nordic pagan correspondent had to say on these things.
Speaker 12: Do your things and your stuff, as you said.
Speaker 1: Do the things and the stuff. All right, Well, uh
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm getting to the chat here. Raven Lee
Speaker 1: sent me a few things we did. We didn't even
Speaker 1: get through the first realm of what Anthony Falci said
Speaker 1: because we got off into the weeds on so many
Speaker 1: other things before we wrap. I know that, uh well,
Speaker 1: one of our homies had to take off early. Sam,
Speaker 1: I see your hand raised by all means speak on it.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, uh that, I'm gonna try
Speaker 7: to get you and Tony again. I'm obviously I'm gonna
Speaker 7: have the vampire, but I would like to discuss how
Speaker 7: we all eat to see it like everyone's how we
Speaker 7: did last time, just a continuation and everything, and we
Speaker 7: talk about exactly how everything all. So if you don't
Speaker 7: agree with the nice and everything. We each talk about
Speaker 7: it like we did last time, but more in depth.
Speaker 7: I would like us to continue that that conversation. And
Speaker 7: I'm gonna ask Tony why why why? Like what makes
Speaker 7: everything how he thinks? And I'm gonna ask you about
Speaker 7: yours personally, I think all of them. I think the
Speaker 7: Catholics are theoretical with any of themselves.
Speaker 1: So okay, well, Web of Mysteries for anybody who does
Speaker 1: not know is where you can find that conversation, Tony.
Speaker 1: If you want to speak in on it, go for it.
Speaker 6: Thank you for saying I'm not non Christians, so you
Speaker 6: acknowledge that there's a difference between heresy and I don't know,
Speaker 6: schis him or that's not even the right word.
Speaker 13: But well, I think you can be cured the way.
Speaker 7: The reason why I say the Catholics are heretics is
Speaker 7: because they like, just through Jesus and everything, we can
Speaker 7: now we don't need to confess our sins to man.
Speaker 7: We we put our faith in Jesus. We can now
Speaker 7: have a we can have a direct to one way
Speaker 7: call to the Lord. God says, do not worship man
Speaker 7: like a man, shall not have false idols.
Speaker 13: They shall not worship another you.
Speaker 7: There are people going up to the pope, kissing his
Speaker 7: ring and calling Holy Father, and shit, that man ain't that.
Speaker 7: He's not the Holy Father. I don't understand why they
Speaker 7: call him that. And God Jesus says, do not call
Speaker 7: another man father. That's not saying you can't call your
Speaker 7: daddy daddy. He is your actual father, but you have
Speaker 7: one above him, but don't call it like religiously.
Speaker 13: Don't call another man your father religious too.
Speaker 6: I understand, and just just for reciprocity. I also believe
Speaker 6: you're a Christian, but you are a heretic. So that's
Speaker 6: the boat we're all in. We all think each other
Speaker 6: as Christian, but we all think each other is guilty
Speaker 6: as some heresy.
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