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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another edition of The Cajun Knight Live.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, The Cajun Night, Jacob Mook, and

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<v Speaker 1>here we are Cult. Well, I was gonna say, cult members,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, members of the retinue. I gotta be honest

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<v Speaker 1>with you this particular episode, I did no backwork. I

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing ready to go. I am putting it on

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<v Speaker 1>the members of the retinue to hit me in the

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<v Speaker 1>DMS to keep the conversation going. You know, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's worthy. I feel like the members

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<v Speaker 1>of the listenership of this particular podcast. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>y'all come with enough hot takes to where we could

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of free form it and we'll just see

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes. I've had a couple of members send

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<v Speaker 1>me some things. We're gonna open them up. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see what's up. I don't know all I know as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the Oh God, as far as the world

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<v Speaker 1>news is concerned, it's something pretty I know, shocker to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone ever. But the Iran America conversation is still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what day you look into it, they're about

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<v Speaker 1>to announce the ceasefire versus about to announce all out

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<v Speaker 1>warfare the America Israel situation. Either Trump hates ned Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>and or is trying to suck him off under the

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<v Speaker 1>table without anybody seeing. It depends on where you get

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<v Speaker 1>your information. So I think it would be more wisely

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<v Speaker 1>advised for us to get our information from the members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cajun Night Retinue. For the record, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening right now and you want to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the retinue itself, come to patreon dot com slash

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<v Speaker 1>Cajun Night link in the description below. Come join us

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<v Speaker 1>every Wednesday night a nine pm Central. Come be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the conversation. Come let your voice be heard.

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<v Speaker 1>All the things, all the stuff are right cool. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that we've gotten that out of the way, I am

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go ahead and share the screen and we are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get into Oh, I got a couple more chests

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<v Speaker 1>to open up. Ba bah bop. All right. Whoa. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what I thought it was gonna be. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, again, sight unseen. We're going live. As Bill

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<v Speaker 1>O'Reilly once said before you know he was a despicable

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<v Speaker 1>human being. You'll do it live. That's what we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. That's what we're doing right now. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go and share the screen. Let me make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I share sound bah bah bop, all right, some all

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<v Speaker 1>right to my computer like an extra like two seconds

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<v Speaker 1>to make that make sense. But that's beside the point. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So first off, Spectrum News, this download the app whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Beside the point. Fauci the man, the myth, the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>despicable human being. He is speaking on behalf of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans who are attacking him over COVID origins. Listen, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've been a listener of the show or a watcher

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, whether you're listening on Patreon versus Apple

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<v Speaker 1>and Spotify and all the things, whatever, you understand that

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<v Speaker 1>we are not very huge fans of Anthony Fauci, Old

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<v Speaker 1>Tony himself. Right, So let's get into it here. So

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci defends himself against Republican attacks over COVID origins. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he's gonna defend himself beside the point in

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<v Speaker 1>his first public testimony since he retired from the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government in December of twenty twenty two. Retired from the

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<v Speaker 1>government in twenty twenty two, meaning that he's at least

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<v Speaker 1>had to be a part of the government since two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two, make your own determinations moving forward here.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Fauci on Monday defending himself against Republican accusations that

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<v Speaker 1>he had a hand in unleashing the COVID nineteen virus

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<v Speaker 1>more years ago and tried to cover up the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that it escaped from a Chinese lab, which again, listen

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<v Speaker 1>members of the revenue listeners of the Cajun Night, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, if you're still living under the delusion that

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID vaccine, the COVID virus, all the things, was

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<v Speaker 1>actually released from a bat in some sort of crazy

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<v Speaker 1>meet the focker's, you know, version of events of like

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<v Speaker 1>one thing going wrong leading to fifteen things going wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case, right, if you're still a believer that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, I'm not trying to insult you. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that it's time to wake up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>time to join the rest of the human population and

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<v Speaker 1>realize that COVID itself wasn't a quote unquote leak from

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<v Speaker 1>a lab. It wasn't from the bat meat that the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese are eating. Because that's the other problem, right, Either

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese are so starving that they're eating bats, or

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese have so much food abundance that they would

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<v Speaker 1>never even think of eating a sky rodent. Both of

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<v Speaker 1>these can't be true at the same time, So you

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<v Speaker 1>make it make sense to you, good listener of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cajun Night. All I'm saying is, at this point, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the information that we have available to us,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very viable to say that even if

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<v Speaker 1>you are a full on believer in government narratives and

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<v Speaker 1>all the things, which if that's the case, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why you're listening to the show, but I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you're here. I'm glad you're fucking here. Listen. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty understood that COVID virus was a controlled release

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<v Speaker 1>from a laboratory in China from the Wuhan region. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think this is a crazy conspiratorial take to have

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. I think we've all pretty much made

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<v Speaker 1>our peace with it in whatever way that you can. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're somebody that believed the government narrative through and through,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not judging you, Okay. The Cajun Knight is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to judge somebody for making the best decision that

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<v Speaker 1>they could based off of the information that they had

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<v Speaker 1>available to them at the time. That's not what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here to do, all right, now, that's out the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, however, believe that it's okay for us to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that we were wrong, we fucked up. It's okay

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<v Speaker 1>to admit that you fucked up. If anything, there's freedom

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<v Speaker 1>in that. There is a real weight lifted off of

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<v Speaker 1>your shoulders to be like, you know what, I was

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<v Speaker 1>incorrect in my assumptions. I was incorrect in and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like planting my feet in that hill. I was

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<v Speaker 1>willing to die on that hill all the things. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>got you yo. There were Confederates in the Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>that planted their heels into the Confederacy that didn't own slaves,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were like here for the state. They were

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<v Speaker 1>right or die all the things. And then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of it, reconstruction going on. Even the most prolific

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<v Speaker 1>of the Confederate generals also forrest. So Benjamin Buford Forrest whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the founders of the Klan, he even recognized

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<v Speaker 1>that it's you know what, hey, y'all, I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little fucked up. I was a little presumptuous in my

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<v Speaker 1>first understandings. I was wrong. It's okay to admit that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's real freedom in admitting that you were incorrect with

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<v Speaker 1>certain things, and members of the retinue, anybody listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this right now, it's okay to admit that you were

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<v Speaker 1>wrong when it came to the COVID conversation because your

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<v Speaker 1>workplace told you that if you didn't get a vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to be fired. You weren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to come back to work until you could

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<v Speaker 1>show on a card that you had gotten the jab Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>Cajuan Knight is not here to judge you on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, I get it. You did what you

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<v Speaker 1>felt was right in the moment. However, and with all

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<v Speaker 1>love and respect and all the accolades, all the things,

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff, all the blessings, we're a few years

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact. It's okay to look at the statistics

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<v Speaker 1>and look at the reality of it and be like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I got three boosters that year without knowing what I

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<v Speaker 1>was injecting on my body. I'm not gonna judge you

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Good listener slash viewer of the Cajun Night.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're listening to this instead of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Please come check us out Patreon dot com, slash Cajun

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<v Speaker 1>Night all the Things Cool Coo Cool link in description below. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna judge you on that. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You were doing what you truly, in your heart of

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<v Speaker 1>hearts felt was right at the time. What I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is time to grow up. It's time to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to you know, act your age and I

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<v Speaker 1>know the old Blink one eighty to two song, what's

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<v Speaker 1>my age again? What's my I find fine? Fine, your

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<v Speaker 1>age is fucking thirty five, Stephanie. It's time. It's time

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<v Speaker 1>for you to recognize, like, hey, maybe I shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten this vaccine the first slash fourth time and not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what I was injecting into my body. It's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. Come to the group, Come to the collective

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<v Speaker 1>of people who understand that, like, hey, you were doing

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<v Speaker 1>what you were told was correct, and like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to wake up. It's time to be a

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<v Speaker 1>grown up and take responsibility for our actions. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>that our generation is a real problem with doing overall.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you do have your one's season tuosies myself

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<v Speaker 1>Raven Lee we take responsibility when we say some shit

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<v Speaker 1>that's off colored, namely Candace Owans. I'm not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>into that right now. I'm about to release an entire

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<v Speaker 1>episode on The Cold Conspiracy of why I can't stand

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<v Speaker 1>Candace Owans and like how many times she's been wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>But beside the point, beside the point, it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>be an adult and realize, like, damn, I was incorrect

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<v Speaker 1>when I was twenty eight, when I was twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was twenty one, when I was nineteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong. I thought I had it figured out. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know shit about fuck, And you know what, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for me to grow up. It's time for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of the voting majority. It's time

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<v Speaker 1>for me to take responsibility for my actions. It's time

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<v Speaker 1>for me to take control of my life. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>very good it's a very normal thing. Everybody goes through

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<v Speaker 1>that in their own time and in their own way.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the members of the retinue that are listening

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<v Speaker 1>right now, in their own way and on whatever app

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<v Speaker 1>they're listening, hey join the fold. We got jackets and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, hey, I'm a thirty year old and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a grown up like it's a thing. It's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I continue reading this article about Fauci defending himself,

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<v Speaker 1>Raven Lee has her hand up. Raven Lee, please speak

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<v Speaker 1>on it. What's your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean a lot of people had to do

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<v Speaker 2>what they had to do to you know, be able

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<v Speaker 2>to continue work and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So but this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>With Fauci is really interesting because they only have a

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<v Speaker 2>few days left to basically try to charge him with

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<v Speaker 2>negligence with under with all of his lives and everything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. His lawyer, Fauci's lawyer is trying to say

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<v Speaker 2>that old boy that's gone after him, Paul, I forget

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<v Speaker 2>his name is Paul something basically has an unhinged of

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<v Speaker 2>unhinged obsession and wants to just see him behind bars

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what. But like he even asked him, he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well, since you can't like pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>answer anything, what's today? And he was like just sat

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole thing is asking's date?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what day of the week it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Fauci pleaded the fifth like right away, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he said twenty four words words total out of the

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<v Speaker 3>A half hour hearing that.

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<v Speaker 2>He basically it was just he basically immediately was like

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<v Speaker 2>I was advised to plead the fifth and like that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's all he would even say after being

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty five scientists wrote an open letter

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<v Speaker 2>many American scientists have had under Fauci's care, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had baseless charges basically that Fauci was trying to cover

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<v Speaker 2>sparked a whole bunch of falsified research during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>and like they made false patents for the virus and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really have much to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this. Let's get into the article. Ravenle sent

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<v Speaker 1>it as a matter of fact, So Fauci defends himself

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<v Speaker 1>against Republican attack over COVID origins. For the record, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to be a Republican attack. It could have

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<v Speaker 1>in this particular phase that we are in right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans are the one that are asking the questions.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's beside the point. In his first public testimony

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<v Speaker 1>since he retired from the federal government in December of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, in the middle of the COVID shit,

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<v Speaker 1>Never mind, that's not important, apparently to some people. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci on Monday defended himself against the Republican accusations that

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<v Speaker 1>that it escaped from a Chinese lab. Let's get deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into it here. So, testifying before the House Subcommittee on

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<v Speaker 1>the Coronavirus Pandemic, Fauci, who headed the National Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>Allergy Infectious Disease right, okay for thirty eight years. This

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<v Speaker 1>right place right time. No, No, he had been there

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty eight years and wanted to promote his drug

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<v Speaker 1>was actressine for things that had no precedence whatsoever, but

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<v Speaker 1>he owned a stock share holder of that company. Neither

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<v Speaker 1>here nor there, okay. In a conference call in early

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, he never tried to steer scientists toward a

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<v Speaker 1>specific conclusion. Yeah, If anything, he steered them away from

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<v Speaker 1>specific conclusion. He also read a February first, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>email in which he urged doctor Jeremy Farrar, the then

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<v Speaker 1>director of the well Come of Welcome all Right, a

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<v Speaker 1>group of evolutionary biologists to examine data to determine if

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<v Speaker 1>then report their findings to authorities. Direct quote here from Fauci.

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<v Speaker 1>It is inconceivable that anyone who reads this email could

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<v Speaker 1>of a lab league. It's so crazy that he says that,

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<v Speaker 1>because the statements that he was making in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two were very, very different.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, at a polar opposite end, of the

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum than to say, listen, I never said that it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a lab lake. I'm sorry. I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>People just assumed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually said outright that this was some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy evolutionary jump, that a virus mutated from animal

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<v Speaker 1>to human in like a month, and then you were

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<v Speaker 1>at the head of the gain of function research paid

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<v Speaker 1>for by Donnie T. I'm sorry. Oh, if I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hurt some feelings here today, Okay, that's fine. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>any fucking foothold in our current conversation. But it was fauci.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the things of the stuff. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know, they knew, they knew. But anyway, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward here. He also urged in an email doctor farre,

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<v Speaker 1>the then director of the I said all right, I'm sorry, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no consensus within the US government about how

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<v Speaker 1>the virus began. Yes, there is. It originated from Wuhan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a crazy hot take. That's a very understandable

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<v Speaker 1>everybody agrees with its statement to make. But all right,

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward here, While the Energy Department, why did the

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Department, who's worried about gas and electricity and nuclear power,

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<v Speaker 1>why did they weigh in on this? You be the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be the judge on my end, all right. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>And FBI support the lab leak theory. For agencies and

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<v Speaker 1>the National Intelligence Council have concluded with low confidence, with

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<v Speaker 1>low confidence that COVID nineteen likely emerged after being transmitted

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<v Speaker 1>from an animal to a human. And two other agencies

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<v Speaker 1>have not reacted or I'm sorry, I have not reached

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<v Speaker 1>a determination on way one way or the other. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird way. That sentence is worded ravenly. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>hand raised. If you want to speak on it, please,

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<v Speaker 1>by all means go for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I was just gonna weigh in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on the whole Republican situation. Like the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>basically lined up and took turns attacking Fauci today. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was today that they actually went over this

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff and really went into about his experimental gene

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and like, because you know, Fauci started out before

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<v Speaker 2>he got linked up with Bill Gates in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>and like their manipulation of vaccines as well as viruses

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<v Speaker 2>have led to I personally believe the harm of millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people because the way that they changed the patents

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<v Speaker 2>and what they included inside the vaccines came directly from

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<v Speaker 2>Fauci himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. You know what, at this point, before he

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<v Speaker 1>read any further, our resident Jewish and our resident Catholic correspondent,

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<v Speaker 1>I want both the other way in so m, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the Jewish doctor, Royce speaking to you directly? What

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<v Speaker 1>is the Jewish doctrine when it comes to vaccines? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not talking about polio, uh you know, mrns

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<v Speaker 1>whatever when it came to COVID. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>could be wrong Royce, Please please brother correct me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong here. I feel like the majority of the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish community was like, man, doctor Fauci knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's absolutely within the qur'an. Wow, fuck off, within

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<v Speaker 1>the within the Kabbalah to get this vaccine. Did the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the Jewish community believe that the vaccine was

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<v Speaker 1>a justified, therefore holy thing? Please speak on it.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think definitely not holy. Was it something that

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of them or a lot of us thought

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<v Speaker 5>that with the information that we were given, this is

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<v Speaker 5>what we should do in order to people say, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean probably yes, there there were a number of Jewies

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<v Speaker 5>that that I know that got them, that got it,

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<v Speaker 5>uh mandatory or otherwise. So, I mean the whole idea

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<v Speaker 5>it says lived by them, that means that the life

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<v Speaker 5>takes precedence above all tow where even if I were

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<v Speaker 5>there were pigs, I would be not only supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>eat these pigs, I would be mandated to eat these

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<v Speaker 5>pigs specifically because life takes precedents.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that before, right, like the Kosher laws

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<v Speaker 1>and all these things that applies if you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>a survival flight or flight situation, then you gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>what you gotta do pig or or vice versa. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>It's in case sorry so so in so in this case,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the majority of the Jus probably got

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<v Speaker 5>it because we were told that it was life or death.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean really that's what the mainstream media was portraying.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, if you don't get this, you are

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<v Speaker 5>going to die. As you quoted the number a time,

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<v Speaker 5>are you going to be responsible to keep to kill grandma?

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<v Speaker 1>So? Were you were you going to temple at this time?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have a temple that you were like going

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<v Speaker 1>to at the and the reason why I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to I was going to I was going to

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<v Speaker 5>do synagogue. And then there was definitely social distancing. There

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<v Speaker 5>was there were masks that were mandated, but that was

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<v Speaker 5>but that was There were plenty of weeks when it

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, My point is were there rabbis that were leaning

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<v Speaker 1>into this? And this is not at Royce yourself, this

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<v Speaker 1>ask the exact same questions to our boy Tony here

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<v Speaker 1>within Judaism, were there rabbis that were saying, hell, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>the government said that we should have the social distance

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<v Speaker 1>of of so like we need to have that Like

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<v Speaker 1>was that a thing that happened or was it case

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<v Speaker 1>by case?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I would really say synagogue by synagogue, there

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<v Speaker 5>were there were or some some synagogues that was were

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<v Speaker 5>very much so fucked this.

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<v Speaker 6>There were other synagogues that were very we need to

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<v Speaker 5>Want to stay open. As of the shoulder, granted, there

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<v Speaker 5>were there were still people who had So it's very

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<v Speaker 5>common in Orthodox family or in an Orthodox community to

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<v Speaker 5>have like school in someone's house, right, so like there

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<v Speaker 5>will be a savatory and there would be like lech

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<v Speaker 5>of sitters and the like, whether it's Friday night or

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<v Speaker 5>or shop as day or whatever. So I think that

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was case by case because it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, now it's a Tony, our resident Catholic correspondent,

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<v Speaker 1>same question when COVID. I'm talking like in the early days,

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<v Speaker 1>right before people knew that it was just the flu,

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<v Speaker 1>before people knew that it was all the things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I asked this because the church that I went to,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't do social distancing at all. We didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>mask mandates, like we didn't give a fuck pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>from the initial word onward, Tony, if you could speak

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<v Speaker 1>on it, what was the local diocese's opinion on how

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<v Speaker 1>mass should be conducted? During COVID was their social distancing?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there mask mandates? What was what was the things?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there was all that stuff. And when I was

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<v Speaker 6>in California, mass was only held outdoors at a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of places, and there were a couple other places where

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<v Speaker 6>it was limited to twelve people indoors. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>get I didn't go to any of the indoor ones. Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>But Salvatore Cordilione was the Archbishop of San Francisco, and

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<v Speaker 6>he fought for as many people at Mass as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>One thing he did was he'd have multiple priests in

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<v Speaker 6>the large cathedral at the same time. He'd have like

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<v Speaker 6>twenty of them, and then he'd say, okay, well we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to conduct twenty different masses. That means we can

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<v Speaker 6>have twenty times twelve, and you know, you have a

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<v Speaker 6>decent number of people in there. But of course Catholic

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<v Speaker 6>opinion varied a lot. Pope Francis said you should probably

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<v Speaker 6>get the vaccine. I think he even said Jesus would

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<v Speaker 6>get the vaccine.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just kind of a liberal.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's about what you'd expect, and the overall Catholic

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<v Speaker 6>opinion was pretty varied.

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<v Speaker 4>Fair. I'm just navigating a street right now. I know

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<v Speaker 4>this makes for great radio.

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<v Speaker 1>You're good.

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<v Speaker 4>You're good.

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<v Speaker 6>The old days of the Catholic Churches, to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 6>never opposed vaccines, but your most traditionalist Catholics today do.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think in the old days the Catholic Church

419
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<v Speaker 6>used to be against blood transfusions a long long time ago,

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<v Speaker 6>and maybe even against anesthetic. I heard that, but I

421
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<v Speaker 6>haven't confirmed, and I'm thinking, fuck that. If you did

422
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 6>an anesthetic to avoid being in excruciating pain because you're dying,

423
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<v Speaker 6>go ahead, take.

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<v Speaker 1>It, agreed. Okay. So, so in the earliest days of

425
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the COVID vaccine and the mandates and the shutting down

426
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<v Speaker 1>of the world and all these things, the Catholic Church

427
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>was having outdoor mass. And how did y'all take the sacraments?

428
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<v Speaker 1>How did y'all take the communion? Dog?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you could stand in a line and walk up

430
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<v Speaker 4>and get it.

431
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But how did he like have a stick with the

432
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking unleavin bread on the end of it or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I think we just received it in the hand

435
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<v Speaker 6>like normal.

436
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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

437
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<v Speaker 6>I would remember, I would remember if it had been

438
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<v Speaker 6>anything really weird like that. I remember one or two

439
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 6>priests maybe just jokingly did a baptism with a long

440
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.519
<v Speaker 6>range squirt guns superio.

441
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<v Speaker 1>I heard about.

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<v Speaker 6>That caused quite a bit of controversy because you know

443
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 6>how some people are like, how dare you? Yeah, yeah,

444
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 6>you know, you know Protestants is to go, Well, if

445
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 6>you're not gonna do it underwater, then what's the point.

446
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 6>And as you discussed with Jonathan one day years ago,

447
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 6>it used to be possibly a near death experience. So

448
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 6>if you're not gonna literally drown and go unconscious, what's

449
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<v Speaker 6>the point. That's what others might even say.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing about these uh, these priests, specifically of

451
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<v Speaker 1>the Roman Catholic uh, you know, persuasion that we're doing

452
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<v Speaker 1>baptisms via super soaker. I gotta be real. I support

453
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<v Speaker 1>this just for my own Southern white trashedness. I support

454
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>baptizing babies with a super soaker to the forehead. I

455
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>think that's fucking phenomenal. But apparently obviously I am in

456
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<v Speaker 1>the wrong on this, even though there was Catholic priests

457
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.119
<v Speaker 1>doing it just a few years ago. But no, to

458
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<v Speaker 1>your point, I agree that's phenomenal, and I wish I

459
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>wish there would have been more press coverage all the time,

460
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I can only find a handful of photos of priests

461
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>hitting babies with an outdated super soaker because the super

462
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>soaker is no longer available because a patent ran out,

463
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and they the patent off is trying to fuck over

464
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the black man. Which we could add that conversation beside

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<v Speaker 1>the point. Yeah, that that was phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 6>Just okay, Well, people of people have argued constantly over

467
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 6>what's disrespectful and created in groups and out groups accordingly,

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<v Speaker 6>and I don't actually, I don't have the strongest opinion

469
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<v Speaker 6>about it. I think they probably did the baptism the

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<v Speaker 6>right way, the traditional way, and then just took the

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<v Speaker 6>photo as a joke. Maybe well, some people don't want

472
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<v Speaker 6>to take a joke. The other controversial baptism i've seen

473
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 6>is Greek Orthodox will jump the baby underwater.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, some people say, oh.

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<v Speaker 6>No, my god, that's childer Bruce, and I just think, oh,

476
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 6>the baby's fine. You know, every time I'm at a

477
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 6>pool with my kids, you know, people worry about them

478
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 6>more than I do. And I recognize drowning is a

479
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 6>big cause of that, but I actually do kind of

480
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<v Speaker 6>want them to feel what it's like with their head

481
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.680
<v Speaker 6>underwater and just develop a feel for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, Maybe not in the context of a priest

483
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>baptizing them, making them feel like, you know, head underwater,

484
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 1>learn how to hold your breath. Figure at the fuck

485
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<v Speaker 1>out kid. I feel you, though, Tony, I do.

486
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<v Speaker 4>It's real quick, though. It's like splash and that's it.

487
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<v Speaker 1>You know, you say that. You say that, and it's

488
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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be. It's supposed to be a fucking dunk

489
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and you're up and you're good. But I have seen

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<v Speaker 1>physically with my own eyeballs some pastors and priests of

491
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>multiple denominations, who, man, they just hold that person underwater

492
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<v Speaker 1>just an extra second longer. They just they just need

493
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<v Speaker 1>a little extra water on them to receive the Holy spirit,

494
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Holy ghost, and then they come up

495
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 1>and all things. But it's like there's quite a few that, like, man,

496
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 1>you heild that person under harder, extra long, didn't you. No, man,

497
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about Okay, pastor, Okay, I see what

498
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>you're doing here for sure. But I mean we're talking

499
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>about a pass across the forehead. I don't think these

500
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>babies are in any fear or danger.

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00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't mean to dwell on this because some people

503
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 6>hate religion. But I guess you're probably of the opinion

504
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 6>you shouldn't be baptized as an infant.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that what you're doing with your kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not a shooting't thing for me personally, with

507
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>my own walk within the scripture and everything. If a

508
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>kid wants to be baptized at five years old, fine,

509
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 1>but they do need to know what they're signing up for.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's personally how I feel about it.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>My oldest was baptized at eleven. Uh, my youngest was

513
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>bad or not my youngest, My next down was baptized

514
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 1>at ten. But I had a very long talk with

515
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<v Speaker 1>them about what this was, what it was not all things.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that baptism is a way to get

517
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<v Speaker 1>to heaven. I believe that it absolutely works towards that end, yes,

518
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<v Speaker 1>but I don't believe that a non baptized person is

519
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 1>like doomed to hell regardless, And we could have, you know,

520
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>docturnal conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna offend some people.

522
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I will. I'm sure I will. You know,

523
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the Jews believe that baptisms have to be done in

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a natural uh form of water, like

525
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 1>a sinkhole or something a river that works as well.

526
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Christianity believe it.

527
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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know they had anything there.

528
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Depends on the version of Judaism you get down in Christianity,

529
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<v Speaker 1>we believe that it can happen in a baptismal font

530
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 1>or a bucket, as long as a priestess present. Like

531
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it runs the gambit, you know, so, But either way,

532
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that an infant getting baptized makes a fuck,

533
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>specifically because children are within the age of ignorance. Like

534
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 1>if a five year old commits some crazy sins, but

535
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, dies from some unforeseen circumstance, He's obviously getting

536
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 1>to heaven because he's five, and God takes mercy on

537
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the ignorant, like truly ignorant. Now, somebody was like, I

538
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that that was how that worked. No, no, no,

539
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean like truly the child mind right. Yeah, But

540
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>when you get to the age of thirteen, which within

541
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the Hebrew tradition, Christian tradition, whatever, you are seen as

542
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>a grown up, you know, damn good and well, what's

543
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>right and wrong all the things. Yeah, at that point

544
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>it's time to stand on your own two feet, you know, so,

545
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean you had that conversation, but yeah, God.

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00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 6>Loves the children for sure. By the way, I loved

547
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.559
<v Speaker 6>this quote. Have you ever heard this quote? And you

548
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 6>know who said it? God always protects drunks, the fools,

549
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 6>and the United States of America.

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00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who said it, but I've heard it before.

551
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 4>Is Auto Bismarck?

552
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, mark old leader of Germany during World

553
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>War One? That's hilarious.

554
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.239
<v Speaker 4>And oh no, no, no, he was like eighteen seventy.

555
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Was it not Bismarck who led Germany during World War One?

556
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 6>No, it was Kaiser will Helm the second eighteen eighty two.

557
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 6>He took over from Frederick the Third, who had been

558
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 6>Kaiser for ninety days and then he died of pancreatic

559
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 6>cancer or something. And his father was Kaiser will Helm

560
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 6>the first. Guys, will Helm the first I think got

561
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 6>rid of Bismarck.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, nope, yeah, I don't know what just God said,

563
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I okay, fair enough, fair enough, my bad.

564
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 1>You are correct that Bismarck is the one that led

565
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.119
<v Speaker 1>in the pre lim to World War One.

566
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 6>But uh yeah, the Unification movement, yeah, which was a

567
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 6>response to Napoleon. Really it took a while, but that's

568
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 6>why Germany unified. He said, we are not dealing with

569
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 6>another fucking Napoleon.

570
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 4>Disunified because that's fair.

571
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 6>And the Catholics really put up a fight for a while,

572
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 6>but Bavaria got incorporated, and that's the main reason Austria didn't.

573
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 4>Was too Catholic.

574
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy how Catholic they were when Germany was super Lutheran.

575
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>But I we're getting way off into the weeds here.

576
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I would love to have this conversation,

577
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 1>but Raven Lee has had her hand raised for a

578
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 1>good hot minute here and we haven't even gotten through

579
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the first paragraph of this article. Raven Lee, please speak

580
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 1>on it. What's your thoughts?

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00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I was I was just gonna say, I'm one of

582
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>those people that the pastor decided to.

583
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Try to drown.

584
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 3>I felt like in that fucking tank.

585
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got baptized, like old boy love to hold

586
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>people under. I was like, what are you trying to do,

587
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 2>like fucking drown out the sin or something.

588
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.800
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what he's doing, Raven Lee, because some people

589
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 1>need an extra second or thirty under the water.

590
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh like, what the fuck?

591
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, didn't you get baptized again in country.

592
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I was like twelve or thirteen when I

593
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 2>got baptized.

594
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.639
<v Speaker 3>I have my certificate or whatever.

595
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>When I was a part of the church, because I

596
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.119
<v Speaker 2>walked away from the church when I was officially sixteen.

597
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Is well, the last time I was a part of

598
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the churches.

599
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought you got rebaptized when you were in the

600
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Marine Corps.

601
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, sir, no, no.

602
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I walked. We got baptized a baby, and again as

603
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>a teenager.

604
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Then I never was baptized as a baby.

605
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I was baptized only one time, and I chose to

606
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 2>be baptized after doing like I did like.

607
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Three years of this program.

608
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>And then I chose to be baptized at like twelve

609
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>or thirteen. Yeah, I was like twelve or thirteen when

610
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I got baptized, and then I walked away from the

611
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>church at sixteen.

612
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you should come back. I'm not telling what

613
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to do.

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00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>You do you I'm good me a Norse trucker and

615
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>CC you're gonna go like do pagan shit.

616
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna chat right now. We have a non religious

617
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a Nordic in, a Catholic, a Jew, and a non denomination.

618
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 1>We're all over the place here. I'm not trying to

619
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 1>tell you what to do with your life. I am

620
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>saying that perhaps maybe perhaps you should return. That's all

621
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Do what you want with that information. And

622
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>do you white boy wizard Tristan, our resident Idaho. I

623
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 1>saw your hand was raised and you dropped it. Brother,

624
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>if you want to unmute yourself and speak in on this,

625
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>by all means.

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00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 8>I was just saying, you guys are talking about the

627
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 8>Catholic Church seemed to get the church or to get

628
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 8>the jab. The Mormons did the same thing. And my

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00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 8>grandpa was like super super fucking Mormon, like so much

630
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<v Speaker 8>sp The motherfucker's name was Joseph Smith Jr. But uh

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<v Speaker 8>really he was so fucking man dude, like he I

632
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<v Speaker 8>had hope that he was gonna finally turn his back

633
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 8>on the church because he's always been a conspiracy theorist, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you be a Mormon and a conspiracy theorist

635
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<v Speaker 1>that don't make sense out loud?

636
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<v Speaker 8>Just like I mean the part of distrusting government and

637
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<v Speaker 8>world leaders and having freaking prepper okay, you know, prepper

638
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 8>habits and all that type of shit. We didn't go

639
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<v Speaker 8>as far as like us as conspiracy theorists. But he

640
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 8>was definitely in his own league, you know, along with

641
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 8>generation of people and especially as Mormons. Damn yeah, when

642
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 8>they told people to get that job, he was fucking pissed.

643
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<v Speaker 1>So all right, let's let let's ask this question. So

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<v Speaker 1>and when twenty twenty rolled around, Tristan, you were not

645
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<v Speaker 1>a member of the Church of Latter day Saints. Correct,

646
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<v Speaker 1>You had already kind of walked away by that point. Yeah?

647
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<v Speaker 8>Well, yeah, I mean I walked away when it was

648
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 8>like thirteen. But like, I'm still in their books, and

649
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 8>you have to do some fucked up shit to get

650
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 8>excommunicated from a Mormon church. So from their standpoint, I'm

651
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 8>still Mormon. But yeah, I know, I definitely was not

652
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<v Speaker 8>attending church or practicing anything at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, fair enough. So during twenty twenty when

654
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 1>COVID was like all the rage, all the shit, everybody

655
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>couldn't stop talking about it, do you know what the

656
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Mormon Church did as far as social distancing or masks

657
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Do you are you like in the loop

658
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>as far as that's concerned, or you were long gone

659
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 1>by that point, So fuck them.

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<v Speaker 9>The Internet over the Internet and they think when they

661
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<v Speaker 9>started back again, Tom, everybody, Tristan's mama, Why boy, wizards, Mama, welcome,

662
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<v Speaker 9>Welcome to the cage, and I live.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy to hear from you. Oh my God. Okay, okay, Oracle,

664
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<v Speaker 1>Ta the Oracle, Okay, please miss Tara the Oracle resident

665
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<v Speaker 1>Oracle correspondent, y'all. Okay. So when COVID was going ridiculous

666
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 1>and oh we need the jab, we need two weeks

667
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>to lower the bell curve even the last of two years,

668
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>all the shit? What did the Church of Latter day

669
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<v Speaker 1>Saints do as far as their regular I don't want

670
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>to say mass or service or whatever. I don't mean

671
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to disrespect. What do they do.

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<v Speaker 10>They as far as I know, because I wasn't going

673
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<v Speaker 10>to church then either, but my parents were. They started

674
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<v Speaker 10>doing it all online, like yeah, like a zoom meeting.

675
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<v Speaker 10>I guess I think my dad watched it on like

676
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<v Speaker 10>they did it through like Facebook maybe or something like that.

677
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<v Speaker 10>And then when they started back, they had to sit

678
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<v Speaker 10>I think a certain amount away from each other, like

679
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<v Speaker 10>you know, four or five feet the families or something

680
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<v Speaker 10>weird like that, if I remember.

681
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Okay, would you still classify yourself as a Mormon.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I'm still a member of the church.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean I could, yeah, just like so, we could

684
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<v Speaker 11>write a letter to the President of the church, the

685
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 11>prophet and ask for our names to be removed, but

686
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<v Speaker 11>then you have to have a meeting with the bishop

687
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<v Speaker 11>in your area to have it taken off.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, I'm like, whatever, it doesn't matter to

689
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 10>me to have to have that done. I don't have

690
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 10>any anger or hate towards the Church, although our family

691
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 10>was pretty messed up from it for a long time,

692
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 10>just still is for a long time. But I don't

693
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<v Speaker 10>have any anger. It's what my parents knew, and my

694
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<v Speaker 10>parents thought they were doing the best at the time,

695
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<v Speaker 10>and that's probably what kept my parents' marriage together too.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. And I have to ask you. Tristan has spoken

697
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<v Speaker 1>on this many times as far as what his beliefs

698
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>are versus what they are not for you personally, ma'am,

699
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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask what And I'm sorry for all

700
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the listeners of the Cajun Night Live, but I'm very

701
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 1>curious of this. What is your beliefs? Do you believe

702
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 1>in God? Do you believe in the God of Abraham,

703
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Isaac and Jacob? Do you believe in Joseph Smith, do

704
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you believe in some variant thereof where do your belief

705
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 1>start an end? You love? There's some Jesus. Fuck yeah,

706
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Jesus was literally the best ever.

707
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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And I mean I definitely believe in a higher

708
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 10>power and for everybody, I think that's different. When I pray,

709
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 10>I pray to God. And you know, I've had miracles

710
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<v Speaker 10>happen in my life many over the last four to

711
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<v Speaker 10>six years that I absolutely can't deny that when I

712
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 10>have prayed that I've had answers to my prayers. Absolutely

713
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<v Speaker 10>one thousand percent.

714
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

715
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<v Speaker 10>TJ's still here on this earth, so those prayers have

716
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<v Speaker 10>been answered many times.

717
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So as far as the creator deity calling him God,

718
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<v Speaker 1>which is a human term, all the things, the Grand Creator,

719
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<v Speaker 1>you're with that like, there has to be some sort

720
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<v Speaker 1>of an order to this. There has to be a designer,

721
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>if you want to call it that. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about our boy, j c A ka A you know, Jesus.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, I kind of have mixed feelings anymore, just

724
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<v Speaker 10>because of what I've read and what TJ and I

725
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<v Speaker 10>have watched.

726
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 3>And I really I.

727
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Heard you mentioned TJ twice who is he.

728
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<v Speaker 10>Sorry, that's Christian his I called his name Christian. Yeah, sorry, Yeah, he's.

729
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<v Speaker 3>Known by many things.

730
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, teacher, TJ, pojo, dancer, you can call him whatever you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want, you know.

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<v Speaker 10>I just honestly, I don't know that I know anymore

733
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<v Speaker 10>about yeah.

734
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<v Speaker 8>Because I've just read and I've gotten into some of

735
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 8>the gnosticism stuff, and it's just we we we keep

736
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 8>our minds open to everything.

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<v Speaker 10>And I guess I'm to the point where, so I'll

738
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 10>be sixty three this year. I don't feel like I

739
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 10>have to know that. And as far as religion, they're

740
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<v Speaker 10>all man made, and so do I enjoy going to

741
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 10>a good Christian church and listening to music and you know,

742
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 10>talking to people on occasion. Yeah, I used to go

743
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 10>every Sunday. I haven't done that for many, many years. Yeah,

744
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 10>because I just don't feel like I need that in

745
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 10>my life. I know who I am. I have faith

746
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 10>in something. Sometimes I don't know what. Sometimes I get

747
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 10>really angry at whatever that may be when my prayers

748
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.079
<v Speaker 10>aren't answered, or my desires that I want don't happen

749
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 10>when I want. But I also have just come to

750
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 10>the conclusion that I don't feel like I really have

751
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.039
<v Speaker 10>to know because nobody really knows.

752
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, I'm not coming

753
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 1>at you. I'm just for the record. I might, I

754
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>might disagree with some of the points you've made this evening,

755
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>but I can't understand where you're coming from. Yeah, absolutely

756
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 1>can respect where you're coming from, and like, okay, cool,

757
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>So Jesus you can acknowledge was like the truth of

758
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>homies that ever lived. But you may have a different

759
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>opinion on him than I do, and that's fine, that's fine. Absolutely, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think from what I've read, I feel

761
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 10>like he was a good person. I don't know that

762
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 10>I believe every everything, but then I don't know that

763
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 10>I don't believe at all.

764
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<v Speaker 1>That's fair enough. My biggest gripe with all the religions

765
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>you name it, whether it's Hinduism, Buddhism, even Norse paganism.

766
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to upset our resident Nordic pagan

767
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, correspondent here. Everybody has some sort of

768
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>opinion on who Jesus was. Whether, oh yeah, we have

769
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a thing for that. It's balder Oh we have a

770
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>thing for that. It's Christiana way right. They all have

771
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a story. Like everybody acknowledges that Jesus was like the guy,

772
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 1>but they never listen to what Jesus said about himself.

773
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 1>That's always my biggest gripe, you know. Yeah, But but

774
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 1>I hear the points you're making, and mad respect real

775
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>quick before we get tony. I see your hand raised ravenly.

776
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>You had your hand raised for a minute. If you

777
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>want to speak in on it, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I was just gonna say, my girlfriend actually got

779
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>herself removed from.

780
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 3>The Mormon Church.

781
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Praise God.

782
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>She was she so her path and like her bishop

783
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.559
<v Speaker 2>probably was one of the most evil son of a

784
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>bitches I've ever met in my life.

785
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>To be honest with you, down with the matriarchy, absolutely,

786
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 1>you mean the patriarchy, but I what I said, moving on,

787
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>But they.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically what it was was like so she lives in Canada,

789
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 2>which is very patriarchal anyways, and out of itself where

790
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 2>she lives, and her bishop and his wife basically covered.

791
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Up the sins of the men in the.

792
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Church and like of beating and raping and doing all

793
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>these things and actually spun it on the women that

794
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 2>came forward.

795
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.760
<v Speaker 3>And like it was, it was really ugly.

796
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<v Speaker 2>They actually even came to her house and like under

797
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the guise of giving her food, right because she was

798
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 2>going through a hard time, they brought food for her

799
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, well, so, by the way, you're

800
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>in the wrong.

801
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 3>You're the sinner here.

802
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you you aren't the one that's incorrect, and like

803
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 2>did said unbelievable things. And she had to actually go

804
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>through like great lengths to get removed from the church

805
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 2>because they refused to let her go. And it was

806
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 2>like a whole thing, and she could prove, like there

807
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 2>was court documents and all of this stuff, and they

808
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>were like, well, you know, and her sister actually has

809
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>almost been murdered by her by her ex husband now

810
00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:00.199
<v Speaker 2>four times and the church in Mormon Church in Utah

811
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>has completely covered it up.

812
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Basically, it was just like you need to.

813
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Pray more, and like it's it's wild because I actually

814
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>went to the town in which her family they're super Mormon.

815
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 3>I went to the super Mormon town in Utah, and

816
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 3>I was like, holy shit, this place is fucking wild.

817
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Here I am with bright I think I had green

818
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>hair at the time, and of course I'm dressed in

819
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 2>all goth and I.

820
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Was like you liberal, you liberal females suck you by.

821
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I can fit in in a lot of places, but

822
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you, in the middle of a Mormon

823
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>town that has like two hundred people during your prey

824
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm dressed in all goth I was like, you

825
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.599
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm here for. You let me enrich your

826
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:42.039
<v Speaker 2>experience in life.

827
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Like it was.

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00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Here's out here making friends, Raven. You're out here making

829
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>friends and just trying to be a part of the crowd.

830
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

831
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<v Speaker 2>I have a tough time with people that are willingly

832
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 2>turning a blind eye to uh rape, an abuse of

833
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 2>women and children, and and trying to be like, it's fine,

834
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you just need to go pray a little bit more.

835
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<v Speaker 2>I have a tough time with that, and so that

836
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<v Speaker 2>the Mormon to me has some feelings. I have some

837
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>deep feelings when it comes to Mormon church.

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<v Speaker 1>God he you speaking, please.

839
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<v Speaker 8>I was just asking Raven if you remember which town

840
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 8>you were in.

841
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Alberta or like outside of it.

842
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I actually have a I have a thing

843
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.960
<v Speaker 3>on my Oh shit, I packed it. It's kenush, maybe

844
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.760
<v Speaker 3>it's ka k.

845
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to north sucker, north tchrucker or

846
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Canadian correspondent, what the fuck is y'all call it?

847
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Show?

848
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 2>That was in Utah, But my girlfriend is in Calgary

849
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 2>and up in Canada.

850
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 8>Is that close to Bountiful, Canada? Because there's a fuck

851
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 8>little Mormons there and they.

852
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Act there's a ton of Mormons up there in Alberta

853
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and Calgary and.

854
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 8>All that they actively said said X traffic little girls

855
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 8>back and forth from Bountiful, Canada to fucking Salt Lake

856
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 8>and Progress.

857
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't one hundred percent believe it.

858
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my mom's come on, and I know that

859
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.840
<v Speaker 2>she talked about this on the book Club many months ago.

860
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 2>But basically my mom's experience was they basically were trying

861
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>to sex traffic them, and like my girlfriend, you know,

862
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>she was pretty much sold, I would say, and in

863
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 2>a sense at seventeen to her husband, you know, they'd

864
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 2>only met him, fucked three times. He came over and

865
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>they had the you know, the lining up of the

866
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>women where they like line them up with the you

867
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:37.920
<v Speaker 2>know when they're ready.

868
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

869
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>wait wait. Within Mormonism, a man gets the choice of

870
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 1>like the pick of the litter something.

871
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>So when they come back from their their thing, that

872
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 2>they go into it for two years.

873
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:53.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, their mission.

874
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>That sounds badass. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be

875
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a dickhead, but like, yo, I probably wouldn't have two

876
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 1>x wives if I would have had the pick of

877
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the fucking litter. I must have missed something here.

878
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:09.119
<v Speaker 2>So my mom, so my mom, Norse trucker, Norse trucker shot.

879
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, bro, I'm just saying, like you're Norse pagan, you

880
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 1>ain't even got to this fight over like dog fucking

881
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, if you would have had your pick

882
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of thirteen women rather than the one, you might have

883
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 1>had a different shot. And it's like, yeah, what they did.

884
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>So what they did was is like so when they

885
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>came back from their mission, they.

886
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Had all the available women of age.

887
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.280
<v Speaker 2>They go through like the ceremony or whatever it is.

888
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Basically they had in there and she her ex husband

889
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>came back and like he he was actually from Canada.

890
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 2>They brought them down and then they had like this

891
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 2>ceremony or whatever and they hung out. Like one time

892
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 2>he asked her parents, hey, so I want her, like

893
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to marry her, and like pretty much just

894
00:51:57.559 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>married her on the spot like a week later and

895
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and then she was gone and she's lived in Canada

896
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>ever since, and like that was like a whole thing

897
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>that happened. My mom actually had the same thing when

898
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.199
<v Speaker 2>she was debating out becoming a Mormon. She went through

899
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 2>all these steps and like she could go, wait, wait, wait, I'm.

900
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm sorry, Raven Lee, real quick, I'm sorry, we

901
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 1>need to take a second. Your mom was considering Mormonism.

902
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 2>So when she was like seventeen, eighteen years old, like

903
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 2>there's she's talked about this many times. But like basically

904
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>she and then two of her friends went to the

905
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Mormon church and for like a year and a half

906
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>they went through all this stuff and it came to

907
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that point where the missionaries were coming back.

908
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 3>She got in trouble because she hand.

909
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Made her outfit and I guess her sleeves were like

910
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>too short on her arm and they were like she not,

911
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, like whatever, and she's like they lined us

912
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 2>up pretty much in this room and like to present

913
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.199
<v Speaker 2>this to these males that have come back and like

914
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 2>all this crap, and so like my mom actually can

915
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 2>speak way more intelligently on it than me, but like

916
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I only know what my friend would be through and

917
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 2>like what they've told me of their stories, but yeah,

918
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a vibe.

919
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna need to speak to

920
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Miss Jackie on this directly, because for all of her

921
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 1>opinions as far as christiandom is concerned, I didn't know

922
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that she once dabbled in a actual cult and like

923
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 1>all the things. But like we'll get to that.

924
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>The Mormon Church, because I'd imagine so that went with

925
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.440
<v Speaker 2>her though the friend that with her actually ended up

926
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.400
<v Speaker 2>staying in the church almost died.

927
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.000
<v Speaker 3>He tried to kill their kids.

928
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Like sure it was.

929
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>It was like really bad. It took like twenty two

930
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.400
<v Speaker 2>years for her to actually like get away.

931
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.840
<v Speaker 3>From this, dude. So my mom has some really strong

932
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 3>feelings on this.

933
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard and to any person listening right now

934
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that might be of the Mormon persuasion, I haven't heard

935
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of a single positive story from the Mormon Church slash church.

936
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 1>A Lardy saying, Trician, what the fuck you Okay, gold

937
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Guy Fox masking might say, what the fuck are you doing? Dude.

938
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 1>All I'm saying is I haven't heard of a single

939
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.559
<v Speaker 1>positive story from the Mormon Church, and the fact that

940
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 1>they consider themselves Christian is mind blowing, to say the least,

941
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 1>at some very baseline docturnal conversations. It's it's wild, all right.

942
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 8>I'm trying to do their rebranding. Dude, they're trying to

943
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 8>rebrand right now. They're like, we can't call it Christians.

944
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 10>Don't.

945
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 8>Like, for my whole life, you've said, don't call me Christian,

946
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.320
<v Speaker 8>not Mormon. I'm like, make up your fucking mind.

947
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the the Mormon Church slash Church of Latter day

948
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Saints slash whatever. I I've looked deep into their literature.

949
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I have looked deep into Joseph Smith. I've looked deep

950
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>into what they hold to be true. I personally, as

951
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of this moment in time, can say I do not

952
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:02.320
<v Speaker 1>believe that these people are actual Christians whatsoever, or any

953
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.760
<v Speaker 1>version thereof. Some of them disagree with that. That's fine,

954
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that's their opinion. I got it. It's the same as like, uh, oh,

955
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm Orthodox Jew, but I believe in Christ. You don't, though,

956
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 1>but you don't but you don't. Right, it's black and white.

957
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry as far as religion is concerned, and I

958
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:31.079
<v Speaker 1>understand man made religion's religiosity. It's man's word on paper,

959
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>all the things I in mad respect to that point

960
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:38.039
<v Speaker 1>of view. With that all right, there is some very core,

961
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 1>basic differences of beliefs between your average I don't means

962
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's like deep into like the fundies, right, the

963
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 1>fundamentalist Mormon Church, and I'm not even talking about them,

964
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 1>just baseline Mormons, the people that you've met in your

965
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 1>life versus your average everyday Christian. There is some very

966
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 1>key differences that I would make between the two. I'm sorry,

967
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>this is how can I put this without sounding like

968
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 1>a complete asshole. This is the same as like a

969
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 1>gay person, okay, and believe or disbelieve in homosexuality all

970
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you want. That's not what the point of this conversation is.

971
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 1>But like, okay, let's say you got a gay couple

972
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 1>that decide that they want to have a child, raise

973
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a family, all the things, versus somebody who's out there

974
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 1>doing drag queens, story time, two libraries to children. There

975
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 1>is a very hard difference between the two. And if

976
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 1>you can't tell what that difference is, you're actually a

977
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 1>part of the problem. I don't think that's a hot

978
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.280
<v Speaker 1>take to make, and if that offends you, I'm sorry.

979
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 1>You are, in fact a part of the problem. I'm sorry.

980
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to be that guy. But anyway, moving on,

981
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>moving on, Tony, I see a hand raised. We got

982
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 1>two hands raised right now, Tony, Lee it off. What's

983
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 1>your take?

984
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I wanted to say a few things. I happen

985
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 6>to have just driven through Bountiful, Utah. That's another city

986
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:08.559
<v Speaker 6>out there, super Mormon.

987
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Bountiful, Utah. They'd be having that, they'd be fucking yeah.

988
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:18.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, anyway, I was gonna start talking about gnosticism. I

989
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 6>don't get the sense most people who say they're gnostic

990
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 6>or really gnostic, they don't really believe in Sofia and

991
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 6>the demiurgeons and stuff like that. It just means that

992
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 6>you're probably raised Christian and then you got older and

993
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 6>you got a little more universalist. And sometimes I feel

994
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 6>that way too fair enough. Also, I've gotten tons of

995
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 6>recent YouTube ads to join the Mormon Church. Maybe it's

996
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.320
<v Speaker 6>just me, but if that's you out there too, then

997
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.360
<v Speaker 6>you're not alone. I don't know what I do consider

998
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 6>them Christians.

999
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 4>Let's a pretty big umbrella.

1000
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's break that down. Okay, as far as.

1001
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.199
<v Speaker 6>Pretty big umbrella, it is even even Islam used to

1002
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 6>be considered a form of Christianity. At it start, it

1003
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 6>was considered a Christian heresy. Yeah, but you know, Unitarianism.

1004
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 6>I figure, what the heck I mean if you say

1005
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 6>you believe in Jesus, I just kind of take that

1006
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 6>at face value and say you're Christian. Even the Jews

1007
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 6>for Jesus. They don't call themselves Christian, but I think

1008
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 6>they are. It's like, well, you really strongly believe in

1009
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.039
<v Speaker 6>Jesus in the New Testament. So even though you might

1010
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 6>have some Zionists believes too, I think they're Christian. They

1011
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 6>just don't want to call them Christian because they want

1012
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 6>to make sure that they have a foot in the

1013
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 6>door if they want to claim automatic Israeli citizenship, which

1014
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 6>many of them are still trying to do.

1015
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Jews crowd, Yeah, no doubt.

1016
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:35.400
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so let's they're Christian.

1017
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Let's have that conversation real quick. As far as the

1018
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>gnostic conversation is concerned, most people, to your point, Tony,

1019
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 1>I would have to agree most people that classify themselves

1020
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 1>as gnostic or something nastic adjacent. And please, people who

1021
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 1>are listening right now, please do not feel personally attacked

1022
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.480
<v Speaker 1>by this. If this applies to you, then take it

1023
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to heart. If it doesn't, then leave where you found it.

1024
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Most people that classify themselves as gnostic or Gnostic adjacent

1025
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>haven't done full literature. They found a couple of YouTube

1026
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.960
<v Speaker 1>videos that were like rather enticing no doubt, and they

1027
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 1>brought up a couple of very really strong points with

1028
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 1>some early church fathers. And these are documented cases of

1029
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>things and stuff for sure, not denying. What I will

1030
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 1>say is and y'all know that I have done a

1031
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:41.440
<v Speaker 1>deep dive onto gnosticism. It is the same conversation of scientology.

1032
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, I'm be real with y'all. I'mna real. I'm

1033
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a dickhead for just a second. The same

1034
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.960
<v Speaker 1>people that believe in the Gnostic text i e. The

1035
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Gospel of Thomas, the Lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene, whatever,

1036
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:58.760
<v Speaker 1>these are the same people that are like two questions

1037
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:03.679
<v Speaker 1>away from believing that scientology isn't fact the real religion.

1038
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:08.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's fine if that's how you get down, Good

1039
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:13.239
<v Speaker 1>for you, God bless you. It's not reality. It's not reality,

1040
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Y'all's that's just what it is. Is there philosophical truths

1041
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:22.199
<v Speaker 1>that could be gained from reading these texts. Sure, fine,

1042
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the same as reading a Buddhist text. Is it

1043
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna teach you how to get to heaven? I don't

1044
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 1>believe so. Will it teach you certain real deep thoughts

1045
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>as far as how to live a fulfilling life? Maybe? Maybe,

1046
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:43.400
<v Speaker 1>but that's up to the interpreter Gnosticism itself, as far

1047
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 1>as the demiurge, as far as the Lost Gospels of

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<v Speaker 1>name your patriarch slash matriarch versus what the early Christians

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01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>believe versus what the early Gnostics believed. This is a

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01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 1>one to one ratio. The Christians aka the Followers of

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01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 1>the Way were preaching egalitarianism. They were preaching equal rights

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01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.599
<v Speaker 1>for men and women. They were preaching that nobody is

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01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 1>greater or lesser than each other. The Gnostics believe that

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01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 1>masturbation and specifically sex were the worst things that you

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01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 1>could do ever, And they were leaving babies on the

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01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 1>side of hills to die from exposure because they felt

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01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 1>so guilty about tying a soul to a human body,

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01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 1>because a gnossism, that's like the worst evil you could commit.

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01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:41.559
<v Speaker 1>And the Christians were saving these babies and bringing them

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01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 1>up in the Christian way at the time was followers

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01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of the way. I'm sorry any of these egalitarian quote

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01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 1>unquote whatever, quote unquote everybody's equal, everybody's whatever the Church

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01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 1>fathers did, but it usually leads to mass death saying

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01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the Church didn't also do their own fair share of

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01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:07.960
<v Speaker 1>fuck shit from time to time in the earliest traditions,

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01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and the very basis of what led to narcissism as

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01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 1>what led to the very basis of Christianity. I'm very

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01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 1>sorry to say this. Christianity is the only reason that

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01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Western culture has grown and spread in the way that

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01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it has. If the Gnostics were in charge, you all understand,

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01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the world population would be about one fifth of what

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01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it is right now, take that for whatever grain of

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01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 1>salt you want. Anyway, we're all visions. I see a

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01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.079
<v Speaker 1>hand raised. Go ahead and speak on a dog.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh fucking hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Hold on, take your time, dog, taking time. I

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01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 1>tell you what. You take a second, sam spirit animal,

1078
01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 1>speak on it real quick. While we're all visions. Get

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01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:00.199
<v Speaker 1>to where you can speak on Go.

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<v Speaker 4>Ahead, Okay.

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01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:03.920
<v Speaker 13>So I just have a weird question.

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01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 7>Why is it whenever I joined late and it's every

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01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.079
<v Speaker 7>time we're talking about some form of heretics.

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01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Dude, I didn't even know this.

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01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 13>Is it the quickest way to summon me besides weird?

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01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Look, I try to get him on Fauci and this

1087
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.719
<v Speaker 2>most going off on a like an hour and twenty

1088
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 2>minute heresy conversation. I'm trying to talk about Fauci's bitch

1089
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.400
<v Speaker 2>ass little videos and all this.

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01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:32.320
<v Speaker 14>Ship, and he's over here like fucking Jews and the Pops.

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01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 14>What you mean, Raven, He's in the fucking Mormans and

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01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 14>these motherfuckers.

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01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we did this.

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01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want it on record. I didn't

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01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:44.679
<v Speaker 1>do this, y'all could listen to the episode you asked.

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01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I asked a very basic question to a couple of

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01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:51.039
<v Speaker 1>resident correspondents of different faiths. I didn't do this ship,

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01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.679
<v Speaker 1>but yes to your point saying we'd be talking about

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01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:55.719
<v Speaker 1>heretics and ship, go ahead and speak on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.920
<v Speaker 13>So I don't know what all missed. All I know

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01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:01.559
<v Speaker 13>is I came in.

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01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:05.440
<v Speaker 7>We're talking about the how Tony thinks the the Dwarfing

1104
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 7>Vampires are actual Christians and.

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01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Because the Dwarfing Vampires aka the Jews what.

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01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:21.440
<v Speaker 7>No, no, no, no, no no, with voice, he is

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01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 7>just a regular vampire. The dwarfing vampires are mountain boy

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01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 7>wizards people, they're the Mormons.

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01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 1>The dwarfing vampires are ak mountain Jews ak Mormons.

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, do you know why?

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01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.800
<v Speaker 7>Because live in the mountains under the mountains, and we

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01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:42.639
<v Speaker 7>call Mormon's mountains. You said that, obviously they're the dwarfing vampires.

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01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I legitimately when you said dwarfing vampires, thought you meant

1114
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 1>midget Jews. I'm s man. I didn't know where you

1115
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:51.639
<v Speaker 1>were going with this, but I was along for the

1116
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:57.079
<v Speaker 1>ride regardless. But all right, yes, dwarfing vampires aka Church

1117
01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 1>of Latter day Saints, go ahead and speak on it, Sam,

1118
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking no holds borrow, let's go.

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01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:07.800
<v Speaker 7>Oh okay, I've actually had some Latter Day Saints come

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01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:08.880
<v Speaker 7>up with the.

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01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.519
<v Speaker 13>Fucking white shirts that to talk about. Oh, let's talk

1122
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:12.679
<v Speaker 13>about the Golden tablets.

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01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.960
<v Speaker 7>I said, Yes, the one that he couldn't fucking read

1124
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.000
<v Speaker 7>that he didn't, right, Yeah, he was told you're not

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01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 7>supposed to tell anyone else, transcribe it for anyone else.

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01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.199
<v Speaker 7>And he had two other people to do it for him,

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01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.159
<v Speaker 7>that one, the one that was known con Man that

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01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 7>was lynched. Yeah, they got real fucking mad. And they

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01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 7>short they left there shortly thereafter. He never came back

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01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:31.840
<v Speaker 7>to the neighborhood.

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01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.880
<v Speaker 13>So, yay me. All I'm gonna say is like they

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01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 13>also the I think.

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01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.239
<v Speaker 7>It was Peter, he said, be be very wary I'm paraphrasing,

1134
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.119
<v Speaker 7>but be very aware if anyone comes other than us

1135
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:45.159
<v Speaker 7>that comes to talk.

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01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 13>No, be very wary of anyone who comes that will

1137
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.360
<v Speaker 13>preach of the Gospels that do not adhere to us.

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01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 7>For even the devil masquades as an angel light talking.

1139
01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:55.800
<v Speaker 13>About false prophets.

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01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 7>I truly believe that Islam the fucking Mormon, they all

1141
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Speaker 7>of them are are They've been led astray.

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01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:05.840
<v Speaker 13>No offense, white woman, But I still love you.

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01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's not a Mormon. I grew up Mormon.

1144
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 12>I am not.

1145
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 4>I do not consider all.

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01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Listen, listen, white boy Wizard might be many things. Okay,

1147
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.519
<v Speaker 1>he might be many things. To call him a Mormon

1148
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that I personally would say is a lie.

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01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.039
<v Speaker 7>Anyway, continue, I do have him in my in my

1150
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.800
<v Speaker 7>phone as the dwarf in vampire.

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01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, Sam, what.

1152
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.840
<v Speaker 3>The of all things for Christ?

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01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.800
<v Speaker 1>All the things that tristan whiteboy Wizard, owner of his

1154
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.119
<v Speaker 1>own company out there killing it in Idaho. The milk,

1155
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like the milk drinker himself ravenly said it not me, y'all.

1156
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Y'all heard it. We all occasion night and milk still

1157
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.000
<v Speaker 1>made its way way for butt stuff to come in.

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01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Beside the points, Tristan is not a Mormon, but saying

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01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 1>to your point, please continue.

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01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:09.039
<v Speaker 7>Okay, then, so if I'm not mistaken, they y'all still

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01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:10.599
<v Speaker 7>believe Jesus was crucified.

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01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Couickt Ooh, good question. The Mormons do believe that Jesus

1163
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:20.119
<v Speaker 1>was crucified, But I have heard different stories as far

1164
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.519
<v Speaker 1>as whether they believe the Gnostic version of Oh is

1165
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Jesus's spirit therefore wasn't actually him versus some Mormons believing

1166
01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it was actually him. This is a fair question, Sam, Okay, Trisa,

1167
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.639
<v Speaker 1>speak on it.

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01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 13>There's also.

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01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they think it was him for sure.

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01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:44.000
<v Speaker 8>But you go and try to tell one of them

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01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.760
<v Speaker 8>that Jesus is God, They'll fucking have a heart attack.

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01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.840
<v Speaker 1>So they got no problem with acknowledging that Jesus crew

1173
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was crucified by Pontius Pilot, third governor of Judea. But

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01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.559
<v Speaker 1>they got a real problem with the Holy Trinity, I e.

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01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Jesus in the flesh. The Mormons have issue. Okay, awesome

1176
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:06.079
<v Speaker 1>with them.

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01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.440
<v Speaker 8>It's God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It's three separate entities,

1178
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:14.079
<v Speaker 8>and I'm never they'll never can see that Jesus is God.

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01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, Okay, fair enough, Sam continue.

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01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.680
<v Speaker 13>To directly rebottle that, quoting from the New Testament. Uh,

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01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 13>in the beginning, there was the word, the world was

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01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.399
<v Speaker 13>with him and the world was him. There you go that.

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01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Mormons don't believe in the New Testament. They

1184
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:38.359
<v Speaker 1>think of that as the Old Testament. They think of

1185
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:41.039
<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament as like the extra Old Testament.

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01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:43.640
<v Speaker 13>Jesus came to the natives.

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01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do, which, Dude, I've tried. I've really tried.

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01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Y'all know, y'all know how to do deep dives in

1189
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the ship. I've done a serious deep dive into the

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01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Mormon faith of how they believe Jesus like jumped from

1191
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.560
<v Speaker 1>place to place to people to people. Dude, the fucking

1192
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Jesus from Jerusalem to the Utah natives is that is

1193
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a wild fucking jump, Dude.

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01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 7>What they believe they are the true like sons of

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01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.880
<v Speaker 7>the true Jews, because that's why they renamed the biggest

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01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.760
<v Speaker 7>thing the Mountain, z iion correct me if I'm along

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01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 7>the white boy.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I think you're right, that's true. And I still

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01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:32.319
<v Speaker 6>think they're Christians and the Trinity is not clearly explained

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01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.039
<v Speaker 6>in the Bible. And if they want to believe crazy

1201
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:38.600
<v Speaker 6>things about early North America whatever, I don't think that

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01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.439
<v Speaker 6>really changes the overall picture that much. Well. I mean,

1203
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.119
<v Speaker 6>I consider Christianity to be a very big umbrella. And

1204
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 6>even even Islam was considered a Christian heretical sect in

1205
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:51.800
<v Speaker 6>the beginning.

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01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, Tony, hold on, Hold, hold the fuck on, Tony,

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01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:04.119
<v Speaker 1>as of time of re you classified the Mormons as Christian.

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01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:06.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I said that like twenty minutes ago.

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01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.359
<v Speaker 1>In what way, dog, I have to ask you, in

1210
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 1>what way?

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, they have the entire Old Testament and New Testament, sure,

1212
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 6>Joseph Smith. Uh, the Muslims kind of recapitulated all that stuff.

1213
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.119
<v Speaker 6>They think that the original stuff was corrupted, so they

1214
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 6>have their own version. But it's ninety nine or ninety

1215
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.800
<v Speaker 6>the same. But yeah, if they believe in Jesus, even

1216
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.199
<v Speaker 6>if they don't believe he was literally you know, one

1217
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.720
<v Speaker 6>in being with the Fathers, the nice and Creed says,

1218
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.279
<v Speaker 6>and they only believe that he was his son. That's

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01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:41.199
<v Speaker 6>what the Jehovah's witnesses believe. That's what the marci Uknites believe.

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01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:44.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what which is why they're both considered non Christian.

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01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:49.039
<v Speaker 6>Dog well, heretic is not non Christian in my opinion,

1222
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 6>what artics basic, heretic just means he gets some things wrong.

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01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Which wait, pause, fucking pause, everything stops. Hold on, hold on,

1224
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and for the record, tell me, please don't think that

1225
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming like at you by any means. I got

1226
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:14.159
<v Speaker 1>to hear your explanation on this. You don't believe that hereticy? Hereticy? Yeah, heresy.

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01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You don't believe the heresy means they're non Christian? Why

1228
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and how dog well, you don't believe in half the

1229
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Old Testament? So we have to at least agree on

1230
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the New Testament. And if these people don't agree on

1231
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the New Testament, they can't be classified as Christian, you

1232
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:33.199
<v Speaker 1>would assume, right.

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01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 6>No, No, I think people get way too bogged down

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01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.399
<v Speaker 6>in every little detail of the New Testament, and then

1235
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.039
<v Speaker 6>they consider it any one percent deviation from it to

1236
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.560
<v Speaker 6>be you know, too much of a heresy. We gotta

1237
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.520
<v Speaker 6>go to war. You're not even christian You start hearing

1238
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:50.279
<v Speaker 6>stuff like that, and I think Christianity is just a

1239
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:53.720
<v Speaker 6>really big umbrella. And if somebody self identifies as Christian,

1240
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:57.359
<v Speaker 6>I just take them at their word unless they unless

1241
01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 6>there's something extremely egregious. Dude, I don't have to morm

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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:02.600
<v Speaker 6>to be egregious enough.

1243
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you, how in the actual fuck

1244
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.720
<v Speaker 1>are you a Catholic? And again, please don't take this

1245
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 1>to me challenging you at your core, but I mean,

1246
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.560
<v Speaker 1>if you do, it is it is. Dude. How are

1247
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:21.279
<v Speaker 1>you classified as a Catholic if you don't even agree

1248
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 1>with the very core foundational beliefs of Christendom?

1249
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:27.760
<v Speaker 13>I think I'm more.

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01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 6>I think I think we're speaking of way too many

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01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 6>generalities here.

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01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:35.720
<v Speaker 1>We are. We are speaking full generalities here, absolutely, but

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<v Speaker 1>still you need to speak on it.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, everybody's got their concept of what true authentic Christianity is,

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<v Speaker 6>and I guess the question is how much deviation can

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<v Speaker 6>somebody else have from that before you consider them to

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<v Speaker 6>be a heretic, which is synonymous with non Christian in

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01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 6>your point of view, and in my point of view,

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<v Speaker 6>Catholicism is the most correct version. And that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 6>Catholic and I go, I believe Jesus existed, and I

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<v Speaker 6>believe that you should believe in Jesus to go to

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01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:10.039
<v Speaker 6>heaven and that you know, God can work outside of

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<v Speaker 6>that for people who've never heard of Jesus, especially little

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01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:16.640
<v Speaker 6>infants and stuff like that. And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 6>to explain every little minutia thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's let's go off the core foundation of Catholicism

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01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:28.359
<v Speaker 1>versus Protestantism. Okay, let's let's work off of that and

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<v Speaker 1>work all way backwards. Do you personally, just speaking, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not speaking on behalf of Catholicism, you're speaking on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of Tony. Do you believe that transubstantiation is a requirement

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<v Speaker 1>for uh, the very basis of uh, you know, sanctification.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yes, I think the Bible's pretty clear on that.

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<v Speaker 6>You might differ, and I think Lutheranism, Yeah, Lutheranism broken

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<v Speaker 6>with the Catholic Church and they had to come up

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<v Speaker 6>with some kind of different way to explain how oh,

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01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 6>it's still there even though we don't have Apostolic succession.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope that we're not losing Raven too much in

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<v Speaker 6>this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, that's besides the point, we ain't even talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Raven right now. Hold on, so just Tony speaking

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of Tony, you do believe transubstantiation For those

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01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 1>that don't know, this would be whenever you take the sacrament,

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<v Speaker 1>So you set the wine, you take the bread, you

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01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:25.359
<v Speaker 1>personally just speaking Tony on behalf of Tony.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I believe that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jesus's body and blood. It transforms itself between

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01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.479
<v Speaker 1>it entering your mouth and before it hit your stomach.

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01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:39.840
<v Speaker 1>You're actually eating Jesus. And you personally just speaking way

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<v Speaker 1>half of yourself believe that this is a requirement as

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<v Speaker 1>far as what can lead to salvation? Am I correct?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how in the fuck does Mormonism fall in line

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<v Speaker 1>with this?

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<v Speaker 6>Dog Well, I don't know if they have a belief

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01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:01.600
<v Speaker 6>like that. If they do, they don't have Apostolic succession

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01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.359
<v Speaker 6>and it's not valid. But by the same by the

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<v Speaker 6>same argument, I would have to argue that all Lutherans

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<v Speaker 6>and Calvinists and all other non Catholics are not just

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<v Speaker 6>heretics but non Christian. And I don't hold a view

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<v Speaker 6>that strict. I think Christianity is a pretty darn big umbrella,

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01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 6>and a lot of people can be Christians and also

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01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:25.279
<v Speaker 6>be an error in minor in major ways, and that's

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01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:26.079
<v Speaker 6>what heresy is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But but to your point though, to circle back to,

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01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you believe that the Mormons are Christian, but they are

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01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:41.439
<v Speaker 1>in heresy, i e. They are in fault correct. Yeah, okay,

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01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:47.079
<v Speaker 1>but they are still counted among his flock. In a greater.

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<v Speaker 6>Sentence, Uh huh, Yeah, I think he restated it pretty well.

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01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:54.079
<v Speaker 6>Christianity to me is a pretty pretty big umbrella.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, we have throughout the line.

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<v Speaker 6>So you consider Catholics, He's orthodog, Calvinists and everything to

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01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 6>be okay, but still Christian.

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01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:10.960
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I didn't say that.

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01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.439
<v Speaker 6>Is anti Christian basically or non Christians.

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01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:17.000
<v Speaker 1>All right. I haven't really peeled back the layers on

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01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:21.800
<v Speaker 1>my own beliefs on this one, but I shall, I shall, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I believe that there are Christians that are Catholic

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01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 1>that are still saved to the truest form and are

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01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.800
<v Speaker 1>going to be counted among the flock when the time

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01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:38.319
<v Speaker 1>comes and they die. Absolutely? Absolutely, do I believe there

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01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.760
<v Speaker 1>are Mormons that are no, not even not even one

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01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:48.439
<v Speaker 1>actually with I should give the caveat with the research

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01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:52.279
<v Speaker 1>that I have done into their religion, into their ways,

1324
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>into their rituals, all the things I can't find actually one,

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01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:02.960
<v Speaker 1>not even one thing that the Mormons believe that make

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01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 1>them a Christian other than the fact that they believe

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01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 1>in the Old and New Testament. But by that same logic,

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01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:14.079
<v Speaker 1>by that same logic, members of the retinue, we could

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01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:20.119
<v Speaker 1>say Christians are actually Jews and are a part of

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01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:25.479
<v Speaker 1>God's chosen Few based on the literature. That's not a

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01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:30.119
<v Speaker 1>true statement. Christians are not Jews. We do not adhere

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01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to Hamperor law. We're not vampire sam We're not fucking vampires,

1333
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:38.479
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm saying now. Now, with that being said,

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01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:43.760
<v Speaker 1>do we as Christians take our references in our notes

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01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.479
<v Speaker 1>from the ancient Hebrew laws before the time of the

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01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.560
<v Speaker 1>New Covenant? Absolutely? For sure. Do the Mormons take their

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01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.640
<v Speaker 1>notes from the old laws in the time before the

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01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:54.279
<v Speaker 1>New Covenant.

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01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:54.399
<v Speaker 7>No?

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01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Not even they don't even take their laws from Jesus

1341
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.960
<v Speaker 1>from the New Covenant. They make are shipped up from

1342
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:05.079
<v Speaker 1>a dude who was a known con artist and freemason

1343
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:11.119
<v Speaker 1>and freemason. Thank you, Tristan and all their temple rituals

1344
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and all the ship that they do inside that it's masonry.

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01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:18.680
<v Speaker 1>That's all it fucking is point blank one plus one

1346
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 1>equals to to be a member of them, of the

1347
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Church of Latter day Saints is essentially to be an

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01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:27.840
<v Speaker 1>adherent to freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 7>Now heretics by the Catholics, you cannot be a you

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01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.000
<v Speaker 7>cannot go to heaven if you are a freemason.

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<v Speaker 6>According to the Pope, heresy is not necessarily non Christianity,

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01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 6>though I would pop.

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01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:49.319
<v Speaker 1>The popes would disagree with you on that one tony.

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01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:52.560
<v Speaker 6>All heresy is anti christian No, I don't think they

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01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.600
<v Speaker 6>would agree with me on that. I mean you'd agree

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01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:55.039
<v Speaker 6>with you on.

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01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>That, Okay. And then this is not me speaking on

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01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:02.279
<v Speaker 1>behalf of Jacob. I am saying John Paul, Pope Benedict,

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01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Pope Francis, all of the Holy Church Fathers, the Vicars

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01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 1>of Rome, the direct line between Christianity and God. According

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01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>to Roman Catholic faith, have agreed that if you are

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01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>a part of any secret society, not just free Masonry,

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01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 1>any secret society, you are communicated excommunicator, You're not a

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01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.159
<v Speaker 1>part of the fold. You are not going to heaven.

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01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm correct, that's my point. So with that mind free masonry,

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01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.560
<v Speaker 1>most of the top elites, of the top elites I'm

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01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:41.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about, your average local lodge attendee is not some

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01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:44.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of adherent to some secret cabal that is trying

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01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:49.479
<v Speaker 1>to you know, traffic humans and do Satanic ritual abuse

1370
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and all these things. But according to the Catholic Church,

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01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:55.479
<v Speaker 1>if you are a Freemason, you are not Catholic. You

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01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:59.039
<v Speaker 1>cannot be that both at the same time period, end

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01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:02.159
<v Speaker 1>of conversation. And so says the Pope.

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01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.960
<v Speaker 13>I mean with what they did to the Knights Templar, which.

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01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Different, different conversation because at the time the Knights Templar

1376
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>were funding multiple kingdoms, and multiple multiple kingdoms decided that

1377
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.279
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to come at them for their Basically, they

1378
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to pay their fucking loans. It was the

1379
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.439
<v Speaker 1>French king that led the charge. But like the Spanish,

1380
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and the Italians and and the well we could say,

1381
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the Polish aka the Teutonic Order who ran that area whatever,

1382
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.960
<v Speaker 1>none of them wanted to pay their debts. So they're like, yeah,

1383
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.800
<v Speaker 1>fuck the Templars, they're heretics. They're worshiping John the Baptist

1384
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:46.720
<v Speaker 1>head there's no actual credible evidence to say such.

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01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:52.399
<v Speaker 13>The Pope, like the Pope what years ago said yeah, no,

1386
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:56.520
<v Speaker 13>we lied that. I there are.

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01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 7>Which keep in mind when the Grand Master was fucking

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01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.640
<v Speaker 7>torched on Friday the thirteenth is which is where and

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01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:07.079
<v Speaker 7>one says, oh, it's a bad day.

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01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:10.880
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, he said, y'all both will fill the wrath of God.

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01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.159
<v Speaker 13>You will both be dead within the year and they

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01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:14.000
<v Speaker 13>gotten worm.

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01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Jacques to molet I know the story. Well, the group

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01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that I'm a part of is.

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<v Speaker 7>So wouldn't you technically be a hairtic because you're a

1396
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.600
<v Speaker 7>part of a group of society if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>However, the group that I'm a part of is zero

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01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:35.479
<v Speaker 1>percent secretive. Our monthly meetings, our our minutes are open source.

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<v Speaker 1>You could you, as matter of fact, Sam, if you

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01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.640
<v Speaker 1>want to come to our meeting, I invite you as

1401
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.399
<v Speaker 1>my personal guests, like we have nothing to hide it now.

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01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.319
<v Speaker 7>I give your later or whatever the fuck he's called

1403
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:50.920
<v Speaker 7>on gift m Katana.

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01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Now, However, secret societies, as spoken of

1405
01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:58.399
<v Speaker 1>in the New Testament, if it is done in secret,

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01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.399
<v Speaker 1>let it be brought to light. There's a reason for

1407
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>this because at the time of the writing of the

1408
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.680
<v Speaker 1>New Testament. There was a lot of secret societies, there

1409
01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of Gnostics schools, there was mystery cults,

1410
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.920
<v Speaker 1>all these things going on. And no, I wouldn't say

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01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that somebody who is an adherent to the Lost Gospel

1412
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of Mary Magdalene, oh well, they're still a Christian. No,

1413
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.239
<v Speaker 1>not at all, actually, and I'm not alone in that.

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01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Most of the early church fathers would agree, which is

1415
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:31.079
<v Speaker 1>why these councils and synods were happened. But Tony, I

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01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>have to like reiterate this, how and why do you

1417
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:41.119
<v Speaker 1>personally classify Mormons as Christian based off of your understanding?

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01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:46.920
<v Speaker 6>On my understanding, they claim they believe in Jesus and

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01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.359
<v Speaker 6>that by Jesus you will be saved. I don't know

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01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:51.720
<v Speaker 6>the details, but.

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01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So the Muslims though, the Muslims believe that Jesus is

1422
01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the savior that they're waiting for to come back down there.

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01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Although if you look at the words of Mohammed, peace

1424
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:08.640
<v Speaker 1>be upon him, fuck him, he remains right. He was

1425
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:10.520
<v Speaker 1>saying that Jesus is going to be the one to

1426
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>come back down when the time comes. But he also

1427
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>believed that Jesus was again some sort of a gnostic being,

1428
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:22.279
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't actually him those crucified, it was his essence

1429
01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:25.520
<v Speaker 1>all these things. By would they the same way, I

1430
01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:30.199
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't classify Mormons as Christian. I wouldn't classify Muslims as Christian.

1431
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I believe that these two are very equal statements to make.

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01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:38.399
<v Speaker 6>Right, And I think Islam Muslims don't want to be

1433
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:42.319
<v Speaker 6>classified as Christian either right more. Yeah, in the early days,

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01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:46.399
<v Speaker 6>abdel Maleick had crostas on his coinage and he reigned

1435
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.680
<v Speaker 6>in like six ninety a d That was thirty years

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01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:52.119
<v Speaker 6>after I mean sixty years after Muhammad died and after

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01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.159
<v Speaker 6>the ration of doing Calys, So it was still kind

1438
01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:58.000
<v Speaker 6>of a muddy situation. And they could have been arguably Christian.

1439
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:01.359
<v Speaker 6>But they don't self identify that way anymore, and they

1440
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.000
<v Speaker 6>haven't for a long time. In an interesting way, uh,

1441
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:07.079
<v Speaker 6>Muslim and Islam were not used to describe the religion

1442
01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:10.479
<v Speaker 6>for like a couple hundred years after it started.

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01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Because they didn't know what to call themselves. They were

1444
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a following of a cult.

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01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:17.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they call themselves Ishmael Lights because they believe you know,

1446
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:20.520
<v Speaker 6>is Ishmael and Isaac and all that stuff. Yeah, I

1447
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:24.239
<v Speaker 6>think Mormons want to be considered Christian, just politically because

1448
01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:27.520
<v Speaker 6>that's more of an acceptable thing to be and that,

1449
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.960
<v Speaker 6>and they get upset when you say they're non Christian.

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01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.119
<v Speaker 6>But that's not I don't care about their feelings. I

1451
01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:37.039
<v Speaker 6>just I think that whenever somebody says they believe in Jesus,

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01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:39.119
<v Speaker 6>and I think they're saved by Jesus, even if they

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01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:41.800
<v Speaker 6>have other weird beliefs in addition to that, I just

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01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:46.000
<v Speaker 6>take them at face value, and we don't. I differ

1455
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:48.399
<v Speaker 6>on that, and that's fair.

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01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not trying to like start a fight

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01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>between you and I.

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<v Speaker 6>I just yeah, I know, but I have more questions

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01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:57.279
<v Speaker 6>for you. So who's Christian and non Christian? But when

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01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:05.560
<v Speaker 6>you're considering like Lutherans, Anglicans, Unit Christian Science, Puritans, there's

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01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:08.960
<v Speaker 6>a whole bunch of these groups. Jehovah's Witnesses another sure question.

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01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:11.960
<v Speaker 6>They don't have any added scripture at all, They just

1463
01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:16.079
<v Speaker 6>have the one we have. But people think they're not

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01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:20.399
<v Speaker 6>Christian either. So seventh Day at Venice, you know you

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01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:21.640
<v Speaker 6>don't have to answer all of these.

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01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:26.479
<v Speaker 1>I know these are very fair questions, Tony. Honestly, these

1467
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>are very fair questions.

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01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:30.359
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I just don't know where to draw lines.

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01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:34.000
<v Speaker 6>So I don't really draw the line, you know, too strictly,

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01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:36.439
<v Speaker 6>I say, okay, whatever, it's a big umbrella. You want

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01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.159
<v Speaker 6>to call yourself Christian. Fine, I'll take you a face value,

1472
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:42.439
<v Speaker 6>even if you believe a lot of heretical things in

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01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:43.840
<v Speaker 6>my opinion in addition to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So here is where I, speaking only on behalf

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01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Cajun night, draw the line. And even members

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01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>of the group that I belong to, who are Eastern Orthodox,

1477
01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>who are Roman Catholic, all these things that they may

1478
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.760
<v Speaker 1>disagree with the statement I'm about to make. And before

1479
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I make this statement, please understand this is not coming

1480
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>from place of hatred. This is coming from a place

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01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:14.039
<v Speaker 1>of love. All the things and the stuff that being said.

1482
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>So where I draw the line as far as christendom

1483
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>versus something heretical. So I do believe that basically, if

1484
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:30.159
<v Speaker 1>you acknowledge Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior, and

1485
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you acknowledge his death as penance for your sins, then

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01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you're good to go. Do I believe that baptism is

1487
01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:45.159
<v Speaker 1>necessary for salvation? No? I don't. Is it nice? Is

1488
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:48.880
<v Speaker 1>it a thing to add on to all the things. Absolutely,

1489
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>I do fully recognize and believe that if you are

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01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:57.199
<v Speaker 1>a follower of Christ should be baptized. Jesus was baptized,

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01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you should get baptized. Yes, one hundred percent. Do I

1492
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:04.439
<v Speaker 1>believe that it's some sort of like a requirement to

1493
01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>get to Heaven? No, not at all. Do I believe that,

1494
01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, just going off of the very baseline, I

1495
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>believe in following the Scripture to a t when it

1496
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>comes to the New Testament, aside from the obvious translations

1497
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>where it's meant to be interpreted like the Book of Revelations,

1498
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>we should be interpreting this, not applying it to our

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01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>lives as a one plus one equals to type of

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01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:37.920
<v Speaker 1>situation that I don't think that's a while take to

1501
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.279
<v Speaker 1>have just thing it out. Do I believe in the

1502
01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>power of the Pentecost, Yes? Do I believe in the

1503
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>power of taking of the sacraments? Yes, absolute, fucking lutely absolutely, Yes.

1504
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Do I believe that taking of the bread and taking

1505
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:59.079
<v Speaker 1>of the wine in the spirit of Christ is that

1506
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a good thing? Yes? I one hundred percent agree. And

1507
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're somebody whose denomination believes in taking of the

1508
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>sacraments by all means, do it please? Jesus literally told

1509
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>his disciples to do so. However, do I believe that

1510
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.479
<v Speaker 1>somebody who has never taken of the sacraments could make

1511
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it to heaven? Yeah, for sure, because the requirements to

1512
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>get to heaven, Baptism is not even a requirement to

1513
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>get to heaven.

1514
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:25.680
<v Speaker 7>Hell.

1515
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Even the Eastern Orthodox, who are considered high mass Christianity,

1516
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>do not believe that. Oh well, if somebody was on

1517
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>their way to get baptized and they died in a

1518
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>car wreck, are they still saved? Well then yes, Well,

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01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>then your entire fucking statement is debunked. As far as

1520
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the whole baptism is the only way to get to

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01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>heaven conversation. Which is why I do not believe that

1522
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:53.039
<v Speaker 1>infants should be baptized. An infant cannot make a decision

1523
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:58.159
<v Speaker 1>on their own. Now, a group of parents, whether that

1524
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:02.159
<v Speaker 1>be two or whatever the case is here, judge wants

1525
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to make the decision to raise their child in a

1526
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Christian household, and when there are when that child is

1527
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:15.439
<v Speaker 1>of age, gets baptized. By all means, yes, I stand

1528
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>by this, I celebrate this. I all of the things

1529
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:22.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe the baptism is gonna be the thing

1530
01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:26.399
<v Speaker 1>to keep you from Heaven when the time comes. Just

1531
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:31.159
<v Speaker 1>point blank, I don't believe that if you've never taken

1532
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of the sacraments, you're gonna go to Hell. I don't.

1533
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that either, if you don't pray to Mary,

1534
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that that's gonna be your one way

1535
01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.479
<v Speaker 1>ticket to Hell either. I do believe that we as

1536
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Protestants should give Mary way more credence and flowers than

1537
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>we do. And I full on speaking on this as

1538
01:29:56.399 --> 01:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>a non denominational, the non de noomal national group, the Protestants,

1539
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:06.159
<v Speaker 1>the Baptist the whatever. Mary's womb is the arc of

1540
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the New Covenant, we should acknowledge that to the same

1541
01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.439
<v Speaker 1>level and degree as David acknowledged the ark of the

1542
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Covenant going through the streets of Jerusalem. We should be dancing,

1543
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.439
<v Speaker 1>we should be celebrating, We should hold some reverence for

1544
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the name of Mary, like I fully believe. I mean,

1545
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and even to say that the Mother of God, the

1546
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Mother of God, that is a crazy statement to make

1547
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in certain regards, because like God has no mother, because God,

1548
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>the Creator has no beginning, therefore has no end. Therefore

1549
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:49.119
<v Speaker 1>has no mother. However, the fact that Mary was chosen

1550
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to be the vessel of the savior of humanity, we

1551
01:30:54.640 --> 01:31:01.039
<v Speaker 1>should put some serious levels upon levels of respect on

1552
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the name of Mary who married Joseph to lead to

1553
01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the salvation of humanity from the from the the well.

1554
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to be crude here, but

1555
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>basically her womb produced the Savior of humanity. We should

1556
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>hold it with that type of respect and reverence. I

1557
01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:26.239
<v Speaker 1>will say to your point, Tony, and to the point

1558
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Catholics, specifically the Roman Catholics, we should hold

1559
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Mary at a way higher level than most of the

1560
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>denominations actually hold her. Oh she was a cool chick,

1561
01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>but you know, no big deal, no big deal. The

1562
01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>arc of the New Covenant is no fucking big deal.

1563
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:49.239
<v Speaker 1>It blows my mind. It blows my mind. But yeah,

1564
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>there's as far as Roman Catholicism is concerned, there is

1565
01:31:55.880 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>uh scriptoral doctrine that presides over things and stuff, and

1566
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>then there is a long church history of things that

1567
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:10.039
<v Speaker 1>preside over things and stuff. I disagree with the majority

1568
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:14.239
<v Speaker 1>of the human doctrinal things that preside over things and stuff.

1569
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:20.079
<v Speaker 1>I believe in full scripture period. Stop for the most part.

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01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:24.760
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I think you're proving my point. It's really hard

1571
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.600
<v Speaker 6>to draw a line on what's Christian and what isn't

1572
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:31.000
<v Speaker 6>and what you're talking about with theo tokos and Mother

1573
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 6>of God. It is considered a condemned heresy if you

1574
01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:38.560
<v Speaker 6>believe in Nestorianism. And he was the one who challenged

1575
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:41.079
<v Speaker 6>Mary being called the Mother of God in the fifth

1576
01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:45.800
<v Speaker 6>century under Theodosius the first and the second. And I

1577
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:47.800
<v Speaker 6>think people back then were probably smarter than I am,

1578
01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.039
<v Speaker 6>because I was looking this up on Wikipedia just this

1579
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.079
<v Speaker 6>past week with my dad and I was telling him

1580
01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:54.079
<v Speaker 6>I don't understand it, and he said they were smarter

1581
01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:58.119
<v Speaker 6>than we are. But they said he said that it's

1582
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:02.000
<v Speaker 6>a crystallogic wells against Colin Mother the Mary of God.

1583
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:04.319
<v Speaker 6>But the Catholic position is that she has to be

1584
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.600
<v Speaker 6>called that because to not do so would be to

1585
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:11.159
<v Speaker 6>separate Jesus' divine nature from his human nature.

1586
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, which at the same time as you're saying that

1587
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the Mormons fully believe in denying Jesus's holy nature from

1588
01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>his divine nature.

1589
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:25.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I believe Nestorius was a Christian even though he's

1590
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:27.560
<v Speaker 6>a condemned heretic. He's a heretic, but he's still a

1591
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:33.439
<v Speaker 6>Christian in my opinion because he still fits under that

1592
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:36.920
<v Speaker 6>umbrella where he believes in Jesus. We're just arguing over

1593
01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:45.600
<v Speaker 6>something way more obscure in my opinion. Okay, so do

1594
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:47.800
<v Speaker 6>you think Nastorius was a Christian?

1595
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Not really, No, because Nestorius himself, if you look at

1596
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>his list of heresies, it wasn't just one thing, it

1597
01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:03.239
<v Speaker 1>was like eight things that Nestorius himself fully believe that

1598
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I believe. Yes, did he fully believe that Jesus was

1599
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a divine being? Yes? Did he believe all of what

1600
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:14.399
<v Speaker 1>goes into being a divine being? No? No, he did not.

1601
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's the same conversation the Mormons have when it's like, oh,

1602
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Jesus was like a great guy, but who wasn't like

1603
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the guy? It was Joseph Smith that was the guy.

1604
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, no, no, you're you are very much

1605
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>missing the point. Jesus didn't say. Joseph Smith is the

1606
01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>way the truth in the life, and no one goes

1607
01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to the Father exceptor Joseph Smith. You see what I'm saying.

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01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:41.680
<v Speaker 6>Okay, I don't know what Nestorius A's other teachings were

1609
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.159
<v Speaker 6>the Marian stuff is the only stuff he's famous for.

1610
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.560
<v Speaker 6>But maybe next week you or I can enlighten the

1611
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:48.159
<v Speaker 6>crew on this.

1612
01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:51.439
<v Speaker 1>I be down, I be down. I'd be down. And

1613
01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:56.079
<v Speaker 1>for the record, if anybody in the chat wants to

1614
01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>break down the early Church fathers him by early Church fathers,

1615
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:03.079
<v Speaker 1>I do, I mean pre six hundred AD. Like, let's

1616
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>let's get to the meme potatoes, y'all. Let's not negate

1617
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>over some shit that went down to the Renaissance when

1618
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the Roman Church was obviously running the gambit and you

1619
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>had to fall in line with certain things. And anybody

1620
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>who no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no six hundred AD

1621
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>on back. And I did say AD rather than CE

1622
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>because I am, in fact a Christian shocker to those

1623
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that listen to the Cage to Night. I know, if

1624
01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:34.159
<v Speaker 1>you or somebody that you know has some sort of

1625
01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:37.359
<v Speaker 1>like hardcore point that you would like to bring up

1626
01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>next week as far as what the early Church doctrine

1627
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:46.720
<v Speaker 1>versus the modern Church church doctrine based off of the Synods,

1628
01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>based off of all the things, I would love to

1629
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>hear it. I would love to hear it. I would

1630
01:35:52.119 --> 01:35:55.439
<v Speaker 1>love to debate it. Openly with all of you before

1631
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:57.039
<v Speaker 1>we get to Sam. I know your hand's been up

1632
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for a minute, Norse Trucker, I do need to ask you, dog,

1633
01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:07.720
<v Speaker 1>please unmute yourself, nor Strucker. We've been talking about things, stuff,

1634
01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>mostly within the realm of Christianity here. What is your

1635
01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:15.399
<v Speaker 1>take on everything we have said thus far? Is it

1636
01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>just basically not y'all are fighting about dumb shit, so

1637
01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:20.720
<v Speaker 1>fuck y'all? Or do you think there's some actual weight

1638
01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:24.039
<v Speaker 1>to be had in these conversations.

1639
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:29.720
<v Speaker 12>No, talking about some dumb shit, but like, I love it.

1640
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.800
<v Speaker 12>Let's go God, I'm joking. I'm totally joking.

1641
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Fucking go hard, dude, we're here.

1642
01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:40.399
<v Speaker 12>Right, But like, uh, you guys got to remember, most

1643
01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:45.439
<v Speaker 12>of your religion was built up by uh man, it

1644
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:50.079
<v Speaker 12>wasn't built up by an actual goth right even even

1645
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:52.079
<v Speaker 12>my religion is not built.

1646
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Up by the gods, right, right, most of your religion

1647
01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:59.039
<v Speaker 1>is built up by Catholic monks who wrote down the things.

1648
01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:01.119
<v Speaker 12>Wrote down things and stuff.

1649
01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1650
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:09.399
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so we can't really take what our quote unquote scripture.

1651
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:14.359
<v Speaker 12>It's not scripture, but it's just a book, right, what

1652
01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:18.520
<v Speaker 12>we what they actually said, because it could be a

1653
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:22.199
<v Speaker 12>little christianized right, or it could be a little bit

1654
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:28.159
<v Speaker 12>Norse pagan. We just take everything simply by how it

1655
01:37:28.279 --> 01:37:32.119
<v Speaker 12>is right and have our own faith in that the

1656
01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:35.520
<v Speaker 12>gods will help us the way we need them to

1657
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:36.239
<v Speaker 12>help us.

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01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Break that down a little deeper, Norse trucker, So you're

1659
01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:43.399
<v Speaker 1>basically saying whether it's Christian, whether it's pagan. This is

1660
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like saying whether it's oil, whether it's water, whether it's hot,

1661
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.199
<v Speaker 1>whether it's cold, whether it's light, whether it's dark. This

1662
01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:54.119
<v Speaker 1>is this is very contrarianism statements that you just made.

1663
01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Break it down for those that may not understand how

1664
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:03.279
<v Speaker 1>you particularly vibe, I particularly vibe been.

1665
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:12.199
<v Speaker 12>As if you are the good person in through your life, right,

1666
01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:18.319
<v Speaker 12>you go and do good things for people. Oh and

1667
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.560
<v Speaker 12>I just got to pull my trailer up. You do good,

1668
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:22.199
<v Speaker 12>good things for people.

1669
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Wait, I'm sorry, did you say pull your trailer? You're

1670
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a you're a trucker. Did you just put your trailer up?

1671
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>In like one second, what the fuck has happened?

1672
01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:34.800
<v Speaker 12>No, I I've been sitting here for a while.

1673
01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it, Okay.

1674
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:43.439
<v Speaker 12>So basically, like if you're doing all these things, poor

1675
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:47.960
<v Speaker 12>your fellow man, right, you should be good to get

1676
01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:55.199
<v Speaker 12>into your heaven your uh, well, our version of heaven

1677
01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:56.600
<v Speaker 12>would be the hell. Right.

1678
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>So if you're doing these things for your fellow man,

1679
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:07.399
<v Speaker 1>basically you do good by people. The spirit, realm, the ethereal,

1680
01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it, will do good by you. Sure,

1681
01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:17.159
<v Speaker 1>how do you know that you are backing somebody who

1682
01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:19.319
<v Speaker 1>is morally good and upright?

1683
01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:31.000
<v Speaker 12>By definition? You would have to have the heart to

1684
01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:37.680
<v Speaker 12>go and see if they are actually a good person themselves.

1685
01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:41.159
<v Speaker 12>If you know of a person that is not a

1686
01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.960
<v Speaker 12>good person, would you back that person?

1687
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>The reason why I ask specifically towards Nordic Paganism, which

1688
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>you are and adherent to. Okay, and before I say

1689
01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>what I'm about to say, please y'all, I am throwing

1690
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:02.479
<v Speaker 1>no shade on any body for anything, but like just

1691
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:07.399
<v Speaker 1>throwing it out here Linda's farn. Okay. We had vikings

1692
01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that raided a village. Whether the villagers Christian, Muslim, jew

1693
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:18.079
<v Speaker 1>a fucking talism, it doesn't matter. The vikings came in

1694
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and raided a peaceful settlement and somehow was seen as

1695
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:30.199
<v Speaker 1>a positive thing in the Nordic pagan religion. Explain why

1696
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>murdering and raping people is considered a positive in the

1697
01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Nordic religion, please sir.

1698
01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:40.800
<v Speaker 12>So it put it this way, somebody's coming across the

1699
01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:47.920
<v Speaker 12>channel and the evading force is just there to go

1700
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:53.279
<v Speaker 12>and trade or something like that. The people that see this,

1701
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:58.439
<v Speaker 12>these boats coming in from the shore see them as

1702
01:40:58.439 --> 01:40:58.920
<v Speaker 12>a threat.

1703
01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:00.000
<v Speaker 13>Right.

1704
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.119
<v Speaker 12>They go down to a beach or something like that,

1705
01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:09.800
<v Speaker 12>or field and they're like, hey, we're here, right when

1706
01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:21.479
<v Speaker 12>really they the on shoot. The people that are just

1707
01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:24.520
<v Speaker 12>trying to defend their home because they don't know who

1708
01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:28.359
<v Speaker 12>they are, are like, hell no, we're not having it

1709
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:35.079
<v Speaker 12>an attack. First, I pause.

1710
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that the the siege and the sacking of

1711
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Linda's Form is justified because if the Vikings wouldn't have

1712
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:51.119
<v Speaker 1>attacked Linda's foreign the Christians would have attacked them.

1713
01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:55.359
<v Speaker 12>Yeah what if? What if they? What if the Christians

1714
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.159
<v Speaker 12>attacked them because they've seen them as a threat.

1715
01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:05.039
<v Speaker 1>There's almost zero point zero percent historical evidence to back

1716
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that claim.

1717
01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:10.560
<v Speaker 12>Brother, I know there is right, because it's all written

1718
01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:11.479
<v Speaker 12>by man.

1719
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean yes, but also the Viking literature of the

1720
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the pro all the things, they they lean more heavily

1721
01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>towards conquering and uh, you know, not conversion to the

1722
01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>religion by sword point, by any means. But also we're

1723
01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>not gonna shy away from the fact that it basically says,

1724
01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>if you're not a believer in woe, dinner, od in,

1725
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>depending on what country you come from, you get got right.

1726
01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1727
01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:45.720
<v Speaker 12>But who wrote them stories?

1728
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:54.399
<v Speaker 15>Allegedly the uh you know, Viking historians, although it was

1729
01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.079
<v Speaker 15>transcribed through Christian monks.

1730
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Who right?

1731
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:05.000
<v Speaker 12>So if the story was told by a victor, right

1732
01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:11.279
<v Speaker 12>would have been if the story was told by a

1733
01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.319
<v Speaker 12>defeated force, would it tell a different story?

1734
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

1735
01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:23.119
<v Speaker 12>Right, So then it's the actually the victor that told

1736
01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:23.640
<v Speaker 12>the story.

1737
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>With that in mind, me and you have discussed this

1738
01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>in the DMS, but I'm willing to hug this conversation

1739
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>should go out for the world. According to Nordic paganism,

1740
01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:42.039
<v Speaker 1>there is seven realms correct nine nine, and we don't

1741
01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:45.640
<v Speaker 1>even know what two of them are because two of

1742
01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:51.359
<v Speaker 1>the realms can be called different things. It's it's basically

1743
01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:56.039
<v Speaker 1>like saying, like Louisiana versus a Kadiana, Oh, these are

1744
01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:59.039
<v Speaker 1>two separate realms. They're not though as far as the

1745
01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>mass concern so as far as the Nordic paganism is concerned.

1746
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't even know what two of the nine realms

1747
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:11.399
<v Speaker 1>are actually listed as, because depending on the literature you read,

1748
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:13.800
<v Speaker 1>they're listed as the same fucking thing.

1749
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:20.199
<v Speaker 12>Correct almost, Yeah, yeah, I think it's the heim and

1750
01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:25.119
<v Speaker 12>uh time that it kind of sounds similar. Ol Heimen

1751
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:30.199
<v Speaker 12>is actually uh land of the Elves, Yes, that was elves,

1752
01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:36.000
<v Speaker 12>and super Timen is actually the land of uh the.

1753
01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Dwarfs, the land of the Dwarfs. A ka, Sam, I

1754
01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.439
<v Speaker 1>see your hand, the land of the Jews, you said it.

1755
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:49.960
<v Speaker 7>I know, yeah, well yes, in any other setting, but

1756
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:53.560
<v Speaker 7>he's actually you have the elves, you have the the fairies,

1757
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.359
<v Speaker 7>and then you asked with then there's one where there's

1758
01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:57.479
<v Speaker 7>fairies and everything.

1759
01:44:57.680 --> 01:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>They're all gmc sam, They're all.

1760
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:06.960
<v Speaker 7>The gypsies are the are the colorful vampires due to

1761
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:08.520
<v Speaker 7>like the.

1762
01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Calico vampires, the Caligo vampires, the.

1763
01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Last tribe.

1764
01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, fucking run it, let's go right god, okay,

1765
01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>but all right, okay, super serious anyway, okay, so anyway,

1766
01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Norse Trucker being adherent to the Norse pagan religion. As

1767
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:49.159
<v Speaker 1>we are talking about what is and is not Christian,

1768
01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>what isn't is not uh you know, liturgical just speaking

1769
01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:58.439
<v Speaker 1>on behalf of yourself. You can give a fuck less correct.

1770
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:03.239
<v Speaker 12>Oh no, like if you guys to do like the

1771
01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:06.119
<v Speaker 12>other night, we you wanted everybody wanted you to do

1772
01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:09.199
<v Speaker 12>a prayer. As soon as I piped up, you went

1773
01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:13.199
<v Speaker 12>and did the prayer, right. Don't don't worry about that stuff.

1774
01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Which I was. I was curious, dude, because for everybody

1775
01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>who's less thaning right now on the call to Conspiracy Live,

1776
01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:26.720
<v Speaker 1>we I I was asked to do a prayer by

1777
01:46:26.920 --> 01:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>white boy wizard. I'm Dad, and I don't. I don't

1778
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:34.800
<v Speaker 1>pro you know, how could I word this? I try

1779
01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:37.720
<v Speaker 1>not to let my religion bleed through as much as

1780
01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it can, because there are so many people who believe

1781
01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:43.159
<v Speaker 1>in so many different things that are part of our

1782
01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:47.079
<v Speaker 1>cult collective. When it comes to the retinue, we have

1783
01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>also a very diverse crowd. And I don't want anybody

1784
01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:56.560
<v Speaker 1>to be offended by anything that I do. But you

1785
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:59.159
<v Speaker 1>you took no offense by anything that I said.

1786
01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:03.560
<v Speaker 12>No who says that I didn't do my part? And

1787
01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:06.399
<v Speaker 12>send to God to go and watch.

1788
01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Over break that down a little bit for anybody who

1789
01:47:09.399 --> 01:47:13.520
<v Speaker 1>may not know about the Norse Pagan religion, who might

1790
01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:18.720
<v Speaker 1>be questioning how you sent some positive intention towards Nelson's way.

1791
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Flavors of the Forest. Once again, for anybody who doesn't know,

1792
01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:25.039
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1793
01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>of Theforce dot com promo code cults at checkout for

1794
01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:31.359
<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent off your order. But beside the point his

1795
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:35.079
<v Speaker 1>father suffered a heart attack, I offered a prayer. You

1796
01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:37.600
<v Speaker 1>did not take offense to this, break this down?

1797
01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:44.199
<v Speaker 12>No, basically whatever whatever helped the person, like your faith,

1798
01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:49.119
<v Speaker 12>even the Muslim base we don't like, you know, but

1799
01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:52.000
<v Speaker 12>even the Muslim base. If we had a Muslim in

1800
01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:54.880
<v Speaker 12>air and he's like, oh well I'll pray to I'll ah, well,

1801
01:47:55.920 --> 01:48:00.239
<v Speaker 12>that's helping a person. We're giving him good vibes, go

1802
01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:02.960
<v Speaker 12>and do the thing to get through something.

1803
01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Vies yeah a good bye.

1804
01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:09.600
<v Speaker 12>Right, I don't I don't know what you guys got it?

1805
01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:15.800
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, But like for me, I I asked her to.

1806
01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:20.279
<v Speaker 12>Go and help him in his recovery.

1807
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, who is it.

1808
01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:24.920
<v Speaker 12>Girl, I asked, girl?

1809
01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Going no.

1810
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:34.039
<v Speaker 4>E, I R yeah, I are.

1811
01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, right.

1812
01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:42.920
<v Speaker 12>I asked her to go and watch over, right, please

1813
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:48.279
<v Speaker 12>watch over Nelson's father. That kind of thing, right, as

1814
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:49.520
<v Speaker 12>you were doing your prayer.

1815
01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So Er in Norse mythology is a goddess and valkyrie

1816
01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:04.199
<v Speaker 1>associated with the medical skill, healing, and mercy. The term

1817
01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:11.399
<v Speaker 1>also refer to let'st I'm just skipping ahead here. Regional

1818
01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:18.399
<v Speaker 1>healthcare collaboration focus on improving care and knowledge for individuals

1819
01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>with epilepsy and intellectual disabilities. Okay, so, as I was

1820
01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:32.520
<v Speaker 1>offering prayers to God for you know, Nelson's father's recovery,

1821
01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you're offering is it intentions to Er?

1822
01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:42.680
<v Speaker 12>No, I'm I'm asking her to go and help, right,

1823
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.359
<v Speaker 12>I am asking her to go and help.

1824
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:52.359
<v Speaker 1>So within the nomodic realm, you can ask gods for help.

1825
01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:56.119
<v Speaker 1>They can or cannot help you, depending on how they

1826
01:49:56.159 --> 01:50:02.119
<v Speaker 1>feel that day. Basically, you're asking for their assistance in

1827
01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever you have going on in your life at that time,

1828
01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and even if they want to be assholes, right, even

1829
01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>if they want to be dicks and be like, no,

1830
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you need to experience this for some greater thing later

1831
01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:21.399
<v Speaker 1>on down the road that you can't see right now.

1832
01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:25.720
<v Speaker 1>What if the case is they're going to aid you

1833
01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>in their way.

1834
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:32.319
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, okay, they will aid you in their way in

1835
01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:38.800
<v Speaker 12>some shape or form. So the base, the basic basically

1836
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:41.920
<v Speaker 12>it could have went one or two ways. It went

1837
01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:48.039
<v Speaker 12>good because we found out that night. So yeah, but

1838
01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.159
<v Speaker 12>she is godness mercy as well.

1839
01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough. I'm just you know, and as we

1840
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>have gone down the rabbit hole on so many different

1841
01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:05.319
<v Speaker 1>versions of Christianity, I was just curious what our resident

1842
01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Nordic pagan correspondent had to say on these things.

1843
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:13.760
<v Speaker 12>Do your things and your stuff, as you said.

1844
01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Do the things and the stuff. All right, Well, uh

1845
01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:25.399
<v Speaker 1>let's see, I'm getting to the chat here. Raven Lee

1846
01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>sent me a few things we did. We didn't even

1847
01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:32.199
<v Speaker 1>get through the first realm of what Anthony Falci said

1848
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.359
<v Speaker 1>because we got off into the weeds on so many

1849
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>other things before we wrap. I know that, uh well,

1850
01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:48.039
<v Speaker 1>one of our homies had to take off early. Sam,

1851
01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I see your hand raised by all means speak on it.

1852
01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:56.119
<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna say, uh that, I'm gonna try

1853
01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:59.359
<v Speaker 7>to get you and Tony again. I'm obviously I'm gonna

1854
01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:04.079
<v Speaker 7>have the vampire, but I would like to discuss how

1855
01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.079
<v Speaker 7>we all eat to see it like everyone's how we

1856
01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:10.960
<v Speaker 7>did last time, just a continuation and everything, and we

1857
01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:15.199
<v Speaker 7>talk about exactly how everything all. So if you don't

1858
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:17.920
<v Speaker 7>agree with the nice and everything. We each talk about

1859
01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:20.960
<v Speaker 7>it like we did last time, but more in depth.

1860
01:52:21.199 --> 01:52:24.359
<v Speaker 7>I would like us to continue that that conversation. And

1861
01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:29.079
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna ask Tony why why why? Like what makes

1862
01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:31.840
<v Speaker 7>everything how he thinks? And I'm gonna ask you about

1863
01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:35.000
<v Speaker 7>yours personally, I think all of them. I think the

1864
01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:38.119
<v Speaker 7>Catholics are theoretical with any of themselves.

1865
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>So okay, well, Web of Mysteries for anybody who does

1866
01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:48.840
<v Speaker 1>not know is where you can find that conversation, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to speak in on it, go for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for saying I'm not non Christians, so you

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<v Speaker 6>acknowledge that there's a difference between heresy and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>schis him or that's not even the right word.

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<v Speaker 13>But well, I think you can be cured the way.

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<v Speaker 7>The reason why I say the Catholics are heretics is

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<v Speaker 7>because they like, just through Jesus and everything, we can

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<v Speaker 7>now we don't need to confess our sins to man.

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<v Speaker 7>We we put our faith in Jesus. We can now

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<v Speaker 7>have a we can have a direct to one way

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<v Speaker 7>call to the Lord. God says, do not worship man

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<v Speaker 7>like a man, shall not have false idols.

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<v Speaker 13>They shall not worship another you.

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<v Speaker 7>There are people going up to the pope, kissing his

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<v Speaker 7>ring and calling Holy Father, and shit, that man ain't that.

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<v Speaker 7>He's not the Holy Father. I don't understand why they

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<v Speaker 7>call him that. And God Jesus says, do not call

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<v Speaker 7>another man father. That's not saying you can't call your

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<v Speaker 7>daddy daddy. He is your actual father, but you have

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<v Speaker 7>one above him, but don't call it like religiously.

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<v Speaker 13>Don't call another man your father religious too.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand, and just just for reciprocity. I also believe

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<v Speaker 6>you're a Christian, but you are a heretic. So that's

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<v Speaker 6>the boat we're all in. We all think each other

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<v Speaker 6>as Christian, but we all think each other is guilty

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<v Speaker 6>as some heresy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to get into this on the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Cajun Night Live. For all the Cult

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<v Speaker 1>members and the Cajun Night Live listeners who might want

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one tier for entry, y'all. We're just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to grow this to be its own independent information sharing

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<v Speaker 1>episode every Wednesday Night and IBM Central. We appreciate all

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<v Speaker 1>the good members of the retinue who have already gone

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<v Speaker 1>and done so. But with all this being said, i

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<v Speaker 1>am the Cajun Knight. There's been a wild episode I

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<v Speaker 1>did not expect, but I'm happy for it, y'all. I

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<v Speaker 1>am grateful for all of you who have been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this conversation. I can't wait to see y'all

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<v Speaker 1>next week to talk deeper into all these things. Y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>I am the Cajun Night and as always, Godless
