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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sentient Code, where intelligence is engineered, autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>is emerging, and a line between human and machine grows thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Each episode, we decode the algorithms, explore the robotics, and

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<v Speaker 1>examine the ideas shaping the future of artificial minds.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to imagine a tiny little organism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's roughly maybe a millimeter across, just swimming through this

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<v Speaker 2>shallow pool of fluid in a petri dish. Right, microscopic, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>totally microscopic. And physically it looks well, it looks exactly

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<v Speaker 2>like pac Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does. It has that exact shape.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got this crescent shape with a distinct gaping mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>And the craziest part is that its behavior actually matches

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<v Speaker 2>the shape. So it propels itself forward, right, sweeping through

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<v Speaker 2>a fluid, and it's just gathering up these loose, unattached

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<v Speaker 2>cells in its.

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<v Speaker 3>Path, like eating dots in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly like the game. It forces the loose cells into

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<v Speaker 2>this dense little pocket inside its mouth, it compresses them

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<v Speaker 2>into a sphere, and then it just injects that compacted sphere.

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<v Speaker 3>Out And that's where things get really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because within a few days that ejected sphere grows

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<v Speaker 2>its own little motor structures, wakes up and starts swimming

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<v Speaker 2>around to repeat the exact same sweeping and compressing process.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a method of replication that well, it just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't cleanly fit into any of our existing biological categories,

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<v Speaker 3>not at all. I mean, it isn't mitosis, it isn't

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<v Speaker 3>viral hijacking where it invades a host, and it certainly isn't,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sexual reproduction. We're looking at what it's called

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<v Speaker 3>kinematic self.

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<v Speaker 2>Replication, kinematic meaning movement exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a purely geometric physical assembly of offspring.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and here's the element that completely shatters our traditional

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of biology, right because this microscopic pac man it

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a machine made of silicon or like nanoplastics.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also not a naturally evolved animal. It is

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<v Speaker 2>constructed entirely from amphibian skin cells.

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<v Speaker 3>Frog cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, specifically cells that have somehow I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how to say it, abandoned their genetically predetermined destiny. They

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to become the smooth outer layer of a frog,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead they've coordinated to function as an entirely novel,

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<v Speaker 2>autonomous reproducing entity.

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<v Speaker 3>Which forces us to confront this massive paradigm shifting question.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if a biological cell can just completely disregard

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<v Speaker 3>its evolutionary context to become something.

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<v Speaker 2>Entirely, what is the limit?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right? What is the actual limit of its capability?

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<v Speaker 3>Are cells merely executing this rigid genetic script or are

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<v Speaker 3>they active agents navigating a landscape of potential forms?

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<v Speaker 2>And that tension is exactly what we are dissecting today.

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<v Speaker 2>We are venturing into the absolute bleeding edge of synthetic biology.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking at zenobots, their human derived successors known as anthrobots,

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<v Speaker 2>and really the deeper philosophical earthquake happening underneath all this research.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fundamental challenge to the dogma.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, because from little school onward, we're taught that biological

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<v Speaker 2>form is just the result of blind, bottom up emergence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, physics, chemistry, random genetic mutations just thrown into

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<v Speaker 2>the crucible of natural selection over millions of years, the

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<v Speaker 2>standard Darwinian model, right, But the behavior of these cellular constructs,

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<v Speaker 2>it implies a radically different architecture to reality. It suggests

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<v Speaker 2>that biological matter might actually be accessing or maybe discovering,

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<v Speaker 2>pre existing ideal blueprints.

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<v Speaker 3>And that, right there is the crux of the debate

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to unpack today. We really need to look

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<v Speaker 3>past the sheer engineering marvel of these biological robots, as

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<v Speaker 3>cool as they are, and examine the mechanisms at play.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to break down the physical forces of

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<v Speaker 3>kinematic replication, investigate the bioelectric networks that act as cellular software.

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<v Speaker 2>The software of life, which is just a wild concept,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is.

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<v Speaker 3>And ultimately we have to question whether the genome is

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<v Speaker 3>actually a rigid architectural blueprint or if it's merely like

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<v Speaker 3>an interface pointing to a much larger, unseen dimension of

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<v Speaker 3>biological possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's start with the physical genesis of all this.

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<v Speaker 2>The timeline kicks off in the early twenty twenties, researchers

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<v Speaker 2>at Tufts University, the University of Vermont, and the Wiss

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<v Speaker 2>Institute at Harvard managed to create the very first xenobots.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the nomenclature there comes directly from the source material.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an office lavist, which is the African Claude frog.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 3>So the researchers harvested pluripotent stem cells from the blastulas

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<v Speaker 3>stage of these frog embryos.

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<v Speaker 2>Blasterless stage meaning like super early development ry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, exactly. These are rudimentary, undifferentiated cells. They haven't

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<v Speaker 3>decided what they're going to be yet. And it is

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<v Speaker 3>so critical to state right up front that the genome

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<v Speaker 3>of these cells was left entirely intact.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, let's emphasize that no crisper cast nine, no crisper,

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<v Speaker 2>no viral vectors delivering modified genes, no synthetic base pairs, no.

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<v Speaker 3>That zero modification. They are genetically indistinguishable from the cells

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<v Speaker 3>of a standard frog swimming in a pond.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, that's insane. So how did they change them?

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<v Speaker 3>The intervention was purely physical. Researchers basically utilize these microscopic

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<v Speaker 3>forceps and electrodes to manually separate the cells, strip away

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<v Speaker 3>the surrounding embryonic signals, the chemical cues that tell them

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<v Speaker 3>to make a tadpole and aggregate them into novel millimeter

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<v Speaker 3>scale configuration.

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<v Speaker 2>Is literally pushing them into a pile.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, yes, and in that isolated, reorganized state, the cells

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<v Speaker 3>didn't simply undergo apoptosis and die, which is what.

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<v Speaker 2>You might expect, right, if you take cells out of

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<v Speaker 2>a body, they usually just die exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't form an amorphous tumor either. They exhibited

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<v Speaker 3>highly coordinated emergent properties.

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<v Speaker 2>It became autonomous, yes, but I want to drill down

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<v Speaker 2>into the mechanics of that autonomy because how exactly were

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<v Speaker 2>they moving? I mean, without a central nervous system to

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<v Speaker 2>coordinate motor functions, how does a cluster of frog skin

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<v Speaker 2>cells propel itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it comes down to a repurposed bio logical motor

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<v Speaker 3>called the cilium sili.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Silia are these microscopic hair like organelles that protrude from

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<v Speaker 3>the surface of many different types of cells. In a

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<v Speaker 3>normal frog embryo or in your own respiratory tract for

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<v Speaker 3>that matter. Slated cells form a stationary mucosal layer, so

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<v Speaker 3>they just sit there, right. Their normal job is to

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<v Speaker 3>beat in a synchronized rhythm to move fluid or clear

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<v Speaker 3>out debris. They're essentially stationary pumps. But in the zenobot configuration,

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<v Speaker 3>the cells self organized so that these cilia function like

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of tiny ores.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, without a brain, how do the ores row

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<v Speaker 2>in the same direction. Because of half the cells are

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<v Speaker 2>beating left and half are beating right, the bot would

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<v Speaker 2>just spin in place or just tear itself apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that is where the multi scale competency of

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<v Speaker 3>the tissue really reveals itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Multi scale competency, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Meaning the tissue can solve problems at a higher level

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<v Speaker 3>than just the individual cell. The cells rely on localized

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<v Speaker 3>biomechanical and bio electrical communication, so they form what are

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<v Speaker 3>called gap junction gap junctions. Yeah, they're physical channels between

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<v Speaker 3>the cell membranes. They allow ions and small molecules to

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<v Speaker 3>pass directly from one cell cytoplasm to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, like a little tunnel between the cells exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And through these junctions they synchronize their calcium signaling. It

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<v Speaker 3>creates a localized consensus. The cells negotiate a global polarity

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<v Speaker 3>for the entire cluster.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So they literally talk to each other to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out which ways forward they do.

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<v Speaker 3>They align the beating of their cilia to achieve directional motility.

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<v Speaker 3>They can swim linearly, they can navigate mazes, and impressively,

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<v Speaker 3>they exhibit remarkable self healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, the self healing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you last read a zenobot physically tearing it

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<v Speaker 3>almost completely into for it, the cells rapidly migrate and

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<v Speaker 3>knit the tissue back together, restoring their original spherical or

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<v Speaker 3>sculpted shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to pause on that localized consensus thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is where the standard analogies we usually hear

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<v Speaker 2>start to fail. I mean, you often hear this described

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<v Speaker 2>as taking a pile of lego bricks meant for a castle,

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<v Speaker 2>shaking the box, and watching them assemble into a car.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I've heard that one.

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<v Speaker 2>But Lato's are inert. A single Lato brick doesn't negotiate

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<v Speaker 2>with the brick next to it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and the Lato analogy is fundamentally flawed for exactly

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<v Speaker 3>that reason. It treats biological matter as passive hardware. A

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<v Speaker 3>much more accurate comparison would be a flock of birds

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<v Speaker 3>or a swarm of bees.

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<v Speaker 2>How interesting a swarm, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Because a single bee has its own localized sensory inputs,

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<v Speaker 3>its own behavioral algorithms. But when thousands of bees interact

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<v Speaker 3>within a specific physical constraint, they form a hive that

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<v Speaker 3>regulates its own internal temperature and collectively decides where to forage.

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<v Speaker 2>So the cells are like individual bees exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The xenobod cells are active agents. When you remove the

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<v Speaker 3>top down chemical gradients of the embryo, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>signals shouting form a tadpole spine. Here the cells default

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<v Speaker 3>to a baseline agential state.

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<v Speaker 2>They wake up and realize they're on their own.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they assess their new topological boundaries, and they optimize

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<v Speaker 2>Which perfectly sets up the twenty twenty one breakthrough. Because

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<v Speaker 2>surviving and moving is one thing that's cool, but replication

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<v Speaker 2>requires an entirely different level of systemic organization. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>dig into the kinematic self replication because the mechanism behind this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just wild, it really is. I mean to understand

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<v Speaker 3>why kinematic replication is so disruptive, we have to look

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<v Speaker 3>at the deeply entrenched assumptions of molecular biology. Okay, reproduction

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<v Speaker 3>as we currently define it is intrinsically tied to the

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<v Speaker 3>transmission of genetic.

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<v Speaker 2>Information passing on the DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Mitosis copies the genome, myosis recombines it. Even a virus,

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<v Speaker 3>which kind of borders on the edge of life anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>operates by injecting RNA or DNA into a host to

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<v Speaker 3>hijack its ribosomes.

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<v Speaker 2>The code is always the star of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Always. The biological imperative is the propagation of the code.

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<v Speaker 3>But kinematic self replication completely bypassesmic transmission as the driving

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<v Speaker 3>physical mechanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's closer to what's it called a Vonnoumann probe, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the theoretical spacecraft right, where a spaceship lands on a

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<v Speaker 2>dead planet, mines iron and silicon and just builds a

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<v Speaker 2>physical clone of itself to launch to the next star system.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, it is reproduction through the sheer mechanical assembly of

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<v Speaker 3>environmental raw materials. Now, the Tufts and Vermont researchers knew

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<v Speaker 3>the unmodified frog cells didn't have the biological hardware to

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<v Speaker 3>reproduce sexually or even bud like yeast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, They're just skin cells exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So they turned to an in silico evolutionary algorithm to

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<v Speaker 3>see if a specific physical geometry could induce a replication behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to get really granular on this algorithm,

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<v Speaker 2>because how do you simulate the physical nuance of a

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<v Speaker 2>living biological cell inside a supercomputer?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the utilized a specialized physics engine coupled with a

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<v Speaker 3>morphogenetic algorithm. The supercomputer modeled the basic biomechanical properties of

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<v Speaker 3>the frog.

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<v Speaker 2>Stem cells, like what kind of properties their.

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<v Speaker 3>Adhesion forces, their fluid dynamics and an aqueous medium, their density,

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<v Speaker 3>and the contractile forces of the cilia.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's basically a highly advanced physics simulator, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the AI began this massive combinatorial search. It

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<v Speaker 2>Most of which I assume resulted in absolute failure.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh almost entirely. I mean, the vast majority of shapes

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<v Speaker 2>Away like a bad snowplow exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But the algorithm was looking for a specific objective function,

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<v Speaker 3>fluid mechanics and the rentals number of these microscopic entities,

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<v Speaker 3>optimizing purely for the mechanics of sweeping and compressing.

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<v Speaker 2>And after billions of simulated generations, the algorithm converged on

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<v Speaker 3>Yes a semitaorus. And what is truly fascinating is that

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<v Speaker 3>when the biologists actually took microscopic surgical tools and manually

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<v Speaker 3>the physical reality perfectly matched the simulation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>The parent bought would swim in concentric circles using the

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<v Speaker 3>The physical geometry created a fluid vortex that pulled the

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<v Speaker 2>But the replication is an infinite right, I mean, entropies

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<v Speaker 3>All thermodynamics absolutely still apply. This is a crucial constraint.

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<v Speaker 3>Kinematic replication in this specific setup suffers from generational decay.

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<v Speaker 2>Generational decay meaning it gets weaker over time.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, the parent bot might gather fifty cells to form

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<v Speaker 3>third generation might only gather fifteen. Eventually, the constructs drop

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not an uncontrollable gray goose scenario where they

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But the philosophical proof of concept, it's just staggering. You

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<v Speaker 2>that Darwinian evolutions simply never bothered to.

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<v Speaker 3>Invent and never bothered to invent. Is the perfect phrasing there.

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<v Speaker 3>Natural selection only optimizes for fitness within a specific ecological

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<v Speaker 3>niche a frog needs to outswim a fish and catch

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<v Speaker 3>isolated skin cells to mechanically assemble offspring in a highly

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<v Speaker 2>It just never came up in nature exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The capability was there latent in the physics of the cells,

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<v Speaker 3>but natural evolution never accessed that specific attractor state.

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<v Speaker 2>Now a skeptic might look at this and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a fascinating parlor trick using embryonic stem cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Because stem cells are by definition pluripotent. They are the

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<v Speaker 2>blank slates of the biological world, programmed to be flexible.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's easy to dismiss this as a quirk of

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you could argue that, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But the research didn't stop there.

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<v Speaker 3>No, And this is where we move past the zenobot

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<v Speaker 3>and into the mid twenty twenties creation of anthrobots human cells,

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<v Speaker 3>not just human cells, adult somatic human cells, specifically ciliated

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<v Speaker 3>epithelial cells harvested from the human trachea, the wind pipe,

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<v Speaker 2>in the traditional view of cellular development, you have the

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<v Speaker 2>epigenetic landscape, right, Like Conrad Waddington's famous model on the hill, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>a stem cell is like a marble at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of a hill. As it rolls down the hill, it

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<v Speaker 2>bottom as a fully differentiated cell, a neuron, a muscle cell,

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<v Speaker 2>or a windpipe cell. And the dogma says once it's

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the valley. It is locked in,

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<v Speaker 2>fully locked, It has deactivated the genes it doesn't need,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is strictly committed to its specialized function.

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<v Speaker 3>That has been the central dogma for decades. Differentiated cells

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<v Speaker 3>are locked hardware, but anthrobots fundamentally violate that assumption. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>so well, the researchers took these fully mature trachial cells

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<v Speaker 3>that a completely rolled down Waddington's landscape and settled into

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<v Speaker 2>And without the manual surgical sculpting that the xenobots required,

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<v Speaker 2>these cells just self assembled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is a massive leap in multi scale competency.

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<v Speaker 3>The researchers didn't need microscopic forceps to carve out a

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<v Speaker 3>C shape this time. They just manipulated the surrounding extracellular

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<v Speaker 2>Environment, and the cells just responded to that.

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<v Speaker 3>They responded dynamically, They spontaneously aggregated into multicellular spheroids, and

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<v Speaker 3>more incredibly, they managed to orient their cilia wait oren them.

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<v Speaker 3>How So, in a wind pipe, the cilia face outward

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<v Speaker 3>the lungs in the petri dish. The cells actually recognize

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<v Speaker 3>their new spherical topology and ensure the cilia were facing

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<v Speaker 3>outward on the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the sphere to act as ores.

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<v Speaker 3>Again exactly enabling them to swim.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you're listening to this right now, let that

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<v Speaker 2>sink in the cells currently lining your respiratory tract. Right

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<v Speaker 2>this second possess the latent dormant capability to disconnect from

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<v Speaker 2>their tissue matrix, spontaneously self organized into a motile, spherical

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<v Speaker 3>They just require a shift in their contextual boundaries. That

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<v Speaker 3>is wild, and their competencies extend far beyond simple motility.

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<v Speaker 3>The medical implications became violently clear when researchers tested how

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<v Speaker 3>these anthrobots interacted with other human tissues.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the paramedic behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So they engineered a two dimensional layer of human

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<v Speaker 3>neural tissue in a dish and mechanically scratched it.

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<v Speaker 2>They created a wound.

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<v Speaker 3>They created a physical wound that severed the neural connections,

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<v Speaker 3>effectively as simulated spinal cord injury. Then they introduced the

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<v Speaker 3>anthrobots into this environment, and without any external programming or

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<v Speaker 3>chemical breadcrumbs from the researchers.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody told them what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody told them. The anthrobots navigated directly to the site

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<v Speaker 3>of the laceration. They settled specifically across the gap in

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<v Speaker 3>the tissue, and then they began exerting an influence on

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<v Speaker 2>They started healing them.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't just passively sit there, you know. They stimulated

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<v Speaker 3>the neural tissue to regenerate, coaxing the neurons to bridge

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<v Speaker 3>the gap and restore the network. They functioned as autonomous biological.

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<v Speaker 2>Paramedics, which is just mind blowing. But then we hit

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty six update, which takes this entirely out

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<v Speaker 2>of the neurobot.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, so, researchers observe that in certain configurations, these human

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<v Speaker 3>constructs began developing spontaneous, primitive neural networks. Okay, hold on,

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<v Speaker 3>we aren't just looking at a sphere of cells moving

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<v Speaker 3>with silly anymore. We are seeing the emergence of complex,

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<v Speaker 3>coordinated movements driven by an internal signaling network that highly

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<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, you lost me. If the original tracheal cells

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<v Speaker 2>weren't neurons and there is no brain orchestrating this, how

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<v Speaker 2>does a neural network spontaneously emerge? Doesn't the DNA have

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<v Speaker 2>to trigger a massive shift in cell type to create

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<v Speaker 2>a neuron.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the exact right quote, and it points to

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<v Speaker 3>the profound plasticity of the bioelectric sensidium.

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<v Speaker 2>Bioelectric what sinsidium?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a network of cells that act together. The cells

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily need to completely revert to a stem cell

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<v Speaker 3>state and rewrite their entire transcriptional profile to become a

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<v Speaker 3>neuron in a traditional sense. Remember, all are electrical. What

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<v Speaker 3>happens in a neurobot is that the gap junctions between

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<v Speaker 3>the cells, those little tunnels we talked about, they become

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<v Speaker 3>highly specialized. They start allowing rapid coordinated voltage spikes that

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<v Speaker 3>mimic action potentials.

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<v Speaker 2>Like brain waves.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, yes, the tissue realizes that in order to coordinate

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<v Speaker 3>complex movements in its new environment, it needs a faster

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<v Speaker 3>communication network, so it dynamically reallocates its bioelectric resources to

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<v Speaker 3>create a primitive neural architecture. It is problem solving at

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<v Speaker 3>the tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>Level, which brings up the most glaring mystery in all

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<v Speaker 2>of this. I mean, if the genome, the DNA sequence

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<v Speaker 2>remains completely unchanged throughout this entire process, which it does, right.

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<v Speaker 2>If the DNA isn't explicitly dictating build a pac man

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<v Speaker 2>or build a neuralbot, where is the memory of these

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<v Speaker 2>shapes and behaviors actually stored. If DNA is just the

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<v Speaker 2>parts list, what is functioning as the operating system?

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<v Speaker 3>And that leads us to the invisible architecture of all

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<v Speaker 3>morphogenesis bioelectricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, when you hear bioelectricitymediately think of neurology, right, action

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<v Speaker 2>potential shooting down an axon, heart taste makers, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Rapid transient spikes. Yes, yeah, But what Michael Levin and

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<v Speaker 2>Developmental so slower.

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<v Speaker 3>Much slower, slower, persistent electrical networks. Every single cell in

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<v Speaker 3>your body has a membrane, and embedded in that membrane

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<v Speaker 3>are ion channels. These are proteins that actively pump charged

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<v Speaker 3>ions like potassium, sodium, and chloride in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>And this creates a resting membrane potential, meaning the inside

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<v Speaker 2>of the cell has a different electrical charge than the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it creates a localized voltage gradient, and because these

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<v Speaker 3>cells are connected via those gap junctions, they share this

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<v Speaker 3>electrical state with their neighbors. They form an electrical sensidium.

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<v Speaker 3>It isn't just a physical clump of cells. It is

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<v Speaker 3>a unified electrical network.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a shared battery, almost a shared.

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<v Speaker 3>Battery, and a shared information network. Levin's research demonstrates that

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<v Speaker 3>this bioelectric network acts as a software layer that processes

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<v Speaker 3>information and dictates large scale anatomical outcomes. The voltage gradients

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<v Speaker 3>physically map out the anatomical axis of the organism.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, it's not the DNA turning genes on and

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<v Speaker 2>off that directly decides where an arm goes. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>bioelectric field. Saying this coordinate requires an arm, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the cells read that field and activate the necessary genes

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<v Speaker 2>to build it.

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<v Speaker 3>You've isolated the exact mechanism. The bioelectric pattern is the

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<v Speaker 3>primary driver. The genetic transcription is downstream. The genes build

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<v Speaker 3>the hardware the ion channels themselves, but the state of

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<v Speaker 3>the network the actual voltage gradient is an epigenetic phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an emergent property, and the most irrefutable evidence for

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't come from zenobots. Actually, it comes from an

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<v Speaker 3>entirely different model organism, the polenarian flatworm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right. If you've ever taken a biology lab, you

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<v Speaker 2>know plenaria. They are those tiny, cross eyed flatworms that

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<v Speaker 2>are famous for regeneration. You can cut one into like

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen pieces and each piece will regrow into a

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<v Speaker 3>Are the undisputed masters of anatomical homeostasis. And for decades,

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<v Speaker 3>the assumption was that a localized stem cell population they're

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<v Speaker 2>So if you cut off the head, the cells at

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<v Speaker 2>the womb site, look at the DNA, realize they are

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<v Speaker 3>That was the assumption. But Levin's lab proved that isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>They completely dismantled it.

430
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<v Speaker 3>They totally dismantled it. They took a genetically normal plenarium,

431
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<v Speaker 3>they amputated its head. Then using specific pharmacological agents like

432
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<v Speaker 3>octanol which blocks gap junctions, or ionophores that alter membrane permeability.

433
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<v Speaker 3>They transiently disrupted the bioelectric gradient at the woon site.

434
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<v Speaker 2>They essentially forced the cells at the front room to

435
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<v Speaker 2>adopt the voltage signature typically associated with the back end.

436
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, they didn't touch the DNA, They just hacked the

437
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<v Speaker 3>electrical gradient.

438
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<v Speaker 2>They hacked the software.

439
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<v Speaker 3>They hacked the software, and the result was that the

440
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<v Speaker 3>flatworm regenerated a second tail where its head used to

441
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<v Speaker 3>be amazing or, in other experiments, they altered the posterior

442
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<v Speaker 3>gradient to mimic an anterior one, and the worm grew

443
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<v Speaker 3>a second, perfectly functional head on its rear.

444
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<v Speaker 2>But here is the part that genuinely breaks my understanding

445
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<v Speaker 2>of biology. If you take that two headed worm, let

446
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<v Speaker 2>the drugs wear off entirely so the ion channels are

447
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<v Speaker 2>functioning normally again, and then you amputate both heads.

448
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<v Speaker 3>What regenerate a two headed worm.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Regenerates wait without the drugs, Without.

450
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<v Speaker 3>The drugs, and with a completely wild type unaltered genome.

451
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<v Speaker 3>The DNA of that flatworm still definitively dictates I am

452
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<v Speaker 3>a single headed organism.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's still normal DNA.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Right. But the bioelectric network has a memory. By transiently

455
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<v Speaker 3>altering the voltage gradient. Initially, the researchers permanently shifted the

456
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<v Speaker 3>attractor state of the electrical network. The target morphology, the

457
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<v Speaker 3>shape the tissue is constantly striving to achieve, was rewritten.

458
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<v Speaker 2>So the tissue is consulting the electrical field, not the genome,

459
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<v Speaker 2>to determine its final shape.

460
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<v Speaker 3>The bioelectric pattern is the spatial memory of the organism.

461
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<v Speaker 3>The cells are constantly communicating, evaluating their current physical arrangement

462
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<v Speaker 3>against this stored bioelectric target morphology. If there is a mismatch,

463
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<v Speaker 3>like a severed head or a laceration, they trigger cell

464
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<v Speaker 3>division and migration to reduce.

465
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<v Speaker 2>The error, and once the physical shape matches the bioelectric memory, they.

466
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<v Speaker 3>Stop exactly they reach it ecuilibric.

467
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<v Speaker 2>And this explains the anthrobots and zenobots. When you isolate

468
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<v Speaker 2>the cells from the embryo or the trachea, you strip

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<v Speaker 2>away the overarching bioelectric field of the whole organism. You

470
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<v Speaker 2>leave them in a state of sensory deprivation.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, the local network depolarizes. The cells suddenly realize they

472
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<v Speaker 3>are no longer constrained by the bioelectric boundaries of a

473
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<v Speaker 3>frog or a human wind pipe. They're in a new environment,

474
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<v Speaker 3>so they rapidly negotiate a new stable bioelectric state.

475
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<v Speaker 2>They find a new target morphology, yes, that.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Suits their isolated conditions, resulting in the spherical ciliated constructs

477
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<v Speaker 3>we observe.

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<v Speaker 2>But this, I mean this pushes us into some incredible

479
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<v Speaker 2>deep philosophical waters because if the DNA isn't providing the

480
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<v Speaker 2>blueprint and the bioelectric field is just the operating system

481
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<v Speaker 2>maintaining the shape, where do these specific shapes actually come from?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the million dollar question.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Why does an isolated cluster of cells reliably form a

484
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<v Speaker 2>spherical self healing entity, and why does an AI discover

485
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<v Speaker 2>a kinematic replicating geometry.

486
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<v Speaker 3>This is where we cross from molecular biology into metaphysics. Frankly,

487
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<v Speaker 3>Michael Levin proposes that biological systems are interfacing with what

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<v Speaker 3>he calls a morpho space or a platonic space of

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<v Speaker 3>possible patterns.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to tread carefully here because invoking Platonism

491
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<v Speaker 2>in modern science usually triggers alarm bells.

492
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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the standard materialist view is strictly bottom up. Form

494
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<v Speaker 2>is nothing more than an emergent illusion caused by the

495
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<v Speaker 2>blind interaction of fundamental particles. There's no predetermined goal, no

496
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<v Speaker 2>ideal form. It's just chemistry tumbling forward in time, filtered

497
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<v Speaker 2>by survival of.

498
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<v Speaker 3>The fittest, that is the dominant paradigm. Levin argues that

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<v Speaker 3>standard emergence doesn't adequately explain the sheer, reliability and elegance

500
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<v Speaker 3>of these novel competencies. I mean, you think about it.

501
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<v Speaker 3>The frog genome was optimized by millions of years of

502
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<v Speaker 3>evolutionary pressure to survive in a pond ecosystem. Right, there

503
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<v Speaker 3>was zero evolutionary pressure to select for the ability to

504
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<v Speaker 3>form a millimeter scale geometrically replicating.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Pac Man exactly. A random blind mutation process doesn't accidentally

506
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<v Speaker 2>pre program an incredibly complex, flawlessly executed survival strategy for

507
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<v Speaker 2>an environment the organism has literally never encountered.

508
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<v Speaker 1>Right.

509
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<v Speaker 3>Therefore, Levin argues the blueprint for the xenobot isn't stored

510
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<v Speaker 3>in the DNA. It exists as an abstract mathematical potentiality

511
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<v Speaker 3>within a latent morphospase. The cells aren't inventing the shape,

512
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<v Speaker 3>they are discovering it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like think of it like cimatics. If you take

514
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<v Speaker 2>a metal plate, cover it in fine sand and run

515
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<v Speaker 2>a specific audio frequency through the plate. The sand spontaneously

516
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<v Speaker 2>arranges itself into a perfectly so metrical, complex geometric mendala.

517
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<v Speaker 3>Well that's a phenomenal analogy.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And if you change the frequency, the sand instantly

519
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>shifts into a different, equally perfect mandala.

520
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<v Speaker 3>Because the sand doesn't possess the blueprint for the mandala

521
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 3>and the metal plate doesn't possess it, the pattern exists

522
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.720
<v Speaker 3>as a mathematical reality of acoustic nodes and anti noodes.

523
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 3>The physical matter the sand simply settles into the energetic

524
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<v Speaker 3>minimums of that pre existing mathematical structure.

525
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<v Speaker 2>So in this framework, what is the genome if it's

526
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<v Speaker 2>not the blueprint?

527
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<v Speaker 3>The genome is a hash pointer, It is an IP address,

528
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<v Speaker 3>It is a frequency dial on your somatic plate. Millions

529
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<v Speaker 3>of years of evolution have finally tuned the frog's genome

530
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<v Speaker 3>to reliably point to the specific coordinate in morphospace that

531
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<v Speaker 3>corresponds to a frog.

532
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<v Speaker 2>It tunes the cellular hardware to access that specific state.

533
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but when we physically rearrange the cells or alter

534
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:54.559
<v Speaker 3>their bioelectric networks, we are essentrally turning the dial. We

535
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<v Speaker 3>move the pointer to an adjacent coordinate in the morphospace,

536
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<v Speaker 3>and the physical matter of the cells snaps into a

537
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<v Speaker 3>new attractor state, the zenobot.

538
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<v Speaker 2>This aligns heavily with analytic idealism, doesn't it, and the

539
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<v Speaker 2>process philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead.

540
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<v Speaker 3>It draws directly from Whitehead. I mean white had completely

541
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<v Speaker 3>rejected the idea that reality is just dead matter bouncing

542
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<v Speaker 3>around and avoid He proposed that the fundamental constituents of

543
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<v Speaker 3>reality are actual occasions or events of experience, and crucial

544
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<v Speaker 3>to his philosophy is the concept of ingression. Aggression yeah,

545
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 3>abstract eternal objects, patterns, forms, mathematical truths ingress into physical

546
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<v Speaker 3>reality when the local conditions permit it.

547
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<v Speaker 2>So the xenobot form always existed in this abstract mathematical space,

548
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>waiting for the right physical substrate to ingress into, just

549
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<v Speaker 2>like the prime number has existed before humans evolve the

550
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 2>cognitive capacity to count them.

551
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<v Speaker 3>Precisely. We didn't invent prime numbers, we developed a neural

552
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<v Speaker 3>architecture capable of discovering them. Levin suggests that biology is

553
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<v Speaker 3>cognition all the way down. Cells, tissues, organs. They are

554
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<v Speaker 3>cognitive agents navigating this mathematical morphospace. Solving physiological problems by

555
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<v Speaker 3>accessing these ideal forms.

556
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<v Speaker 2>Now, obviously asserting that Darwini emergence is insufficient and invoking

557
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>a mathematical realm of ideal forms is going to face

558
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 2>intense visceral pushback from the scientific establishment.

559
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it already is.

560
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 2>So we have to examine the counter arguments, impartially because

561
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<v Speaker 2>of the bait here is fierce.

562
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<v Speaker 3>We absolutely do. The skeptics fundamentally reject the necessity of

563
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<v Speaker 3>a platonic morphospace. They rely on the principle of parsimonia

564
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<v Speaker 3>or Oukham's razor. They argue that everything we observe, from

565
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<v Speaker 3>the two headed plenaria to the kinematic replication of the

566
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 3>xenobox can be entirely explained by the non linear dynamics

567
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<v Speaker 3>of complex systems.

568
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<v Speaker 2>They say, it's just the combinatorial explosion of physical interactions.

569
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<v Speaker 3>Right, look at the AI that design the pac Man shape.

570
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<v Speaker 3>The defenders of Levin's view say the AI discovered the

571
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<v Speaker 3>ideal replicating form in the platonic realm. But the materialist

572
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 3>critics argue that the AI simply brute forced a physics problem.

573
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<v Speaker 2>It just crunched the numbers.

574
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it ran billions of permutations of fluid dynamics and

575
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<v Speaker 3>cellular adhesion until it found a physical arrangement that mechanically

576
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<v Speaker 3>resulted in loose cells clumping together.

577
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>If you shuffle a deck of cards enough times, eventually

578
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>you deal royal flush. You didn't access an ethereal realm

579
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<v Speaker 2>of perfect poker hands. You just exhausted the probability space exactly.

580
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<v Speaker 3>The skeptics argue that cells are incredibly complex biochemical machines

581
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<v Speaker 3>when you put them in a novel environment. They're intricate

582
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<v Speaker 3>feedback loops, you know, gene regulatory networks, protein folding mechanics,

583
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 3>membrane tensions. They just interact in undredictable emergent ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that these interactions stabilize into a moving

585
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<v Speaker 2>sphere isn't proof of an ideal form, right.

586
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 3>They say, it's just proof that biological matter seeks thermodynamic equilibrium.

587
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<v Speaker 3>They view Levin's morphospace as scientifically unfalsifiable, a biological god

588
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 3>of the gaps that mystifies something we simply haven't fully

589
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 3>mapped biochemically yet.

590
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<v Speaker 2>But the defenders of the morphospace theory have a direct

591
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<v Speaker 2>counter to the shuffle deck argument.

592
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 3>They do. They point to this sheer efficiency and elegance

593
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<v Speaker 3>of the observed behaviors. I mean, if you deal a

594
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 3>royal flush once, it's probability. If you shuffle the deck

595
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 3>and deal a royal flesh fifty times in a row,

596
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 3>you have to suspect the deck is stacked.

597
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

598
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Biological systems, when placed in completely alien configurations, don't thrash

599
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 3>around blindly for billions of years looking for a solution.

600
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 3>They find incredibly elegant solutions like kinematic replication or neural

601
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<v Speaker 3>bridging almost immediately. The defenders argue that random combinatorial search

602
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 3>cannot account for that level of rapid, coordinated problem solving

603
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 3>without an underlying mathematical topology guiding it.

604
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>And Levin explicitly claims this hypothesis is falsifiable, which moves

605
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<v Speaker 2>it out of pure philosophy and into empirical science.

606
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, his proposed test is substrate independence.

607
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<v Speaker 2>Substrate independence, right.

608
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<v Speaker 3>If the bioelectric software and the MorphOS based patterns are

609
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<v Speaker 3>truly independent of the genetic hardware, we should be able

610
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<v Speaker 3>to induce them across radically different substrates. We've seen it

611
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<v Speaker 3>in amphibians, we've seen it in human epithelial cells.

612
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<v Speaker 2>So If researchers can engineer constructs using like Avian cells

613
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>or reptilian cells or eventually maybe hybrid biosilicon polymers, and

614
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>they reliably observe the exact same unexpected algorithms of healing,

615
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>motility and geometric replication.

616
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<v Speaker 3>Then you prove the pattern isn't a quirk of frog

617
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 3>DNA or human DNA, it's a universal attractor state.

618
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<v Speaker 2>Wow. If Microsoft Word runs perfectly on a PC, a MAC,

619
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<v Speaker 2>and a Linux machine, you know the software exists independently

620
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<v Speaker 2>of the hardware architecture.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely Substrate independence is the ultimate test of the MorphOS

622
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<v Speaker 3>space hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of which side of the philosophical debate you land on,

624
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<v Speaker 2>whether you view this as incredibly complex material emergence or

625
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the aggression of platonic forms, the practical real world reality

626
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>of these biobots is about to hit us like a

627
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<v Speaker 2>free train.

628
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<v Speaker 3>Oh. The applications are world changing.

629
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<v Speaker 2>The implications span medicine, environmental science, and fundamental ethics. Start

630
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<v Speaker 2>with the immediate technological applications.

631
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<v Speaker 3>Well, the most obvious advantage of a zenobot or an

632
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<v Speaker 3>anthrobot over a traditional metallic nanobot is that it is

633
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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent biocompatible and entirely biodegradable.

634
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<v Speaker 2>They just dissolve.

635
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, They operate for a few weeks on their internal

636
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 3>energy stores, and when those stores are depleted, they simply

637
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<v Speaker 3>degrade into harmless dead cells.

638
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>This makes them the ultimate environmental cleanup tool.

639
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 3>You could engineer massive swarms of specific biobots, deploy them

640
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<v Speaker 3>into the ocean, and have them autonomously seek out and

641
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 3>aggregate microplastics. They clump the plastics into easily retrievable basses,

642
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 3>and then the bots themselves dissolve harmlessly into the ecosystem.

643
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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. But the medical applications of the human derived

644
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<v Speaker 2>anthrobots that is where things get truly disruptive. We talked

645
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<v Speaker 2>earlier about them acting as paramedics for neural tissue and

646
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<v Speaker 2>a petri dish map that onto a human patient.

647
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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a patient suffering from a severe spinal cored transsection

648
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<v Speaker 3>or a traumatic brain injury. Today our options for neural

649
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<v Speaker 3>regeneration are incredibly limited, but with this technology, a neurologist

650
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<v Speaker 3>could take a simple swab of the patient's own tracheal

651
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<v Speaker 3>cells just a swamp. They culture those cells in a

652
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<v Speaker 3>lab induce them to form anthrobots and then deploy them

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<v Speaker 3>directly into the spinal lesion.

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<v Speaker 2>And because they are constructed entirely from the patient's own DNA,

655
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<v Speaker 2>there is zero risk of immune.

656
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<v Speaker 3>Rejection, exactly, no immunosuppress and drugs required. These personalized autonomous

657
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<v Speaker 3>living machines navigate the wound topography, physically bridge the severed

658
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<v Speaker 3>neural tracts, and secrete the exact localized biochemical signals required

659
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<v Speaker 3>to stimulate the patient's own neurons to grow along the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's personalized cellular medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>We could use them to seek out and dismantle acerroschlorotic plaques,

662
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<v Speaker 3>and arteries. We could load them with specific chemotoxins, program

663
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<v Speaker 3>their bioelectric target morphology to recognize the surface proteins of

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<v Speaker 3>a specific tumor, and have them deliver the payload with

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<v Speaker 3>microscopic precision.

666
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Weaving healthy tissue completely.

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<v Speaker 3>Untouched, entirely untouched.

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<v Speaker 2>They also represent a massive leap for pharmacology and drug testing, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>They They do? Right now? We rely on animal models mice, rats,

670
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<v Speaker 3>primates to test the efficacy and toxicity of new drugs,

671
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<v Speaker 3>but a mouse's biochemistry is vastly different from a human's.

672
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<v Speaker 3>Many drugs that cure cancer and mice fail catastrophically in

673
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<v Speaker 3>human trials. Anthrobots offer a scalable, programmable platform of actual

674
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<v Speaker 3>human tissue. You can create a swarm of human neurobots

675
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<v Speaker 3>and test an Alzheimer's drug directly on their primitive neural networks,

676
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<v Speaker 3>observing the real time synaptic response. It is faster, more accurate,

677
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<v Speaker 3>and entirely circumvents the ethical dilemmas of animal testing.

678
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<v Speaker 2>But and here's the catch, it introduces an entirely new,

679
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<v Speaker 2>arguably much darker ethical dilemma because we are erasing the

680
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<v Speaker 2>boundary between an evolved organism and an engineered machine. And

681
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<v Speaker 2>this ties into a concept you mentioned earlier, basal agency.

682
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<v Speaker 3>Basl agency, it's the idea that telling on me goal

683
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<v Speaker 3>direct to behavior is not an exclusive property of complex brains.

684
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<v Speaker 3>A single cell has goals. It wants to maintain homeostasis,

685
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<v Speaker 3>it wants to survive. A tissue has goals it wants

686
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<v Speaker 3>to achieve its target morphology. The anthrobots demonstrate that human tissue,

687
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<v Speaker 3>when isolated, possesses a profound level of basal agency. It navigates,

688
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<v Speaker 3>it solves problems, it heals.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're listening to this, you really have to

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<v Speaker 2>confront this reality. We are taking human cells, your cells,

691
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<v Speaker 2>we are placing them in a fluid, and they are

692
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<v Speaker 2>spontaneously building a modal living entity, an entity that, as

693
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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty six, can spontaneously generate a primitive neural

694
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<v Speaker 2>network to coordinate its actions. It has goals, It acts

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<v Speaker 2>with purpose. So what exactly is it?

696
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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem. It doesn't fit our ethical frameworks. It

697
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<v Speaker 3>wasn't born, it won't grow into a human being, It

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have a traditional life cycle, but it is composed

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<v Speaker 3>of living human tissue, and it exhibits cognitive competencies.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we owe it ethical consideration? If an anthrobot with

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<v Speaker 2>a rudimentary neural network avoids a noxious chemical and a

702
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<v Speaker 2>petri dish is experiencing a primitive form of suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>We simply don't know. Our entire ethical philosophy is deeply

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<v Speaker 3>tied to the presence of a centralized nervous system. When

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<v Speaker 3>we distribute cognition, when we recognize that titu itself thinks

706
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<v Speaker 3>and solves problems, the line between a biological machine we

707
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<v Speaker 3>can dispose of and an organism we must protect completely blurs.

708
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<v Speaker 2>And this ethical ambiguity is only going to compound because

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<v Speaker 2>the pace of this research is accelerating exponentially.

710
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<v Speaker 3>It is we are already moving toward automated.

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<v Speaker 2>Discovery, AI driven robot scientists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we are building closed loop laboratory systems where an

713
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<v Speaker 3>artificial intelligence designs a new biobot shape a robotic arm

714
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<v Speaker 3>physically sculpts or manipulates the cellular medium to create thousands

715
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<v Speaker 3>of iterations. The AI observes their behavior via microscopic cameras,

716
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<v Speaker 3>and then it iteratively refines the design in real time.

717
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<v Speaker 2>We are automating the evolution of entirely novel life forms.

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<v Speaker 3>We are also looking at bidirectional interfaces integrating these biological

719
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<v Speaker 3>constructs with digital systems. Imagine a synthetic biological neural network

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<v Speaker 3>grown from human cells, physically wired into a silicon microchip

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<v Speaker 3>acting as the cognitive processor for a drone or a

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<v Speaker 3>digital environment.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just science fiction becoming reality.

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<v Speaker 3>We are tearing down the silos separating computer science, evolutionary biology,

725
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<v Speaker 3>and cognitive philosophy. We're realizing that information processing and computation

726
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<v Speaker 3>aren't just things that happen in silicon chips or human brains.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the fundamental language of all biological matter.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been an absolutely staggering journey. We started with

729
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<v Speaker 2>ordinary frog skin cells stripped of their embryonic context, self

730
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<v Speaker 2>organizing into motal machines. We saw how a supercomputer simulating

731
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<v Speaker 2>fluid dynamics discovered kinematic self replication, a geometric form of

732
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<v Speaker 2>reproduction completely alien to Darwinian history.

733
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<v Speaker 3>We explored anthrobots.

734
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<v Speaker 2>Right fully mature human wind pipe cells spontaneously assembling into

735
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<v Speaker 2>autonomous paramedics capable of bridging severed nerves. And we dove

736
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<v Speaker 2>into the invisible bioelectric software that governs this all forcing

737
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<v Speaker 2>us to question whether biology is merely complex chemistry, or

738
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<v Speaker 2>if it is a system actively navigating a vast platonic

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<v Speaker 2>morphospace of ideal forms.

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<v Speaker 3>The overarching takeaway is that these constructs zenobots, anthrobots, neurobots

741
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<v Speaker 3>are not just novel feats of engineering. They are profound

742
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<v Speaker 3>epistemological tools. They are microscopes that allow us to observe

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<v Speaker 3>the hidden architecture of biological possibility.

744
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<v Speaker 2>They show us what's really going on under the hood.

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<v Speaker 3>They demonstrate that life is infinitely more plastic, more competent,

746
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<v Speaker 3>and more agential than our standard mechanistic models have allowed

747
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<v Speaker 3>us to believe the hardware is incredibly versatile. But the software,

748
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<v Speaker 3>the bioelectric networks, and the abstract possibility spaces they navigate

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<v Speaker 3>is where the true mystery of life resignes.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us to a final provocative thought for you

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<v Speaker 2>to ponder. We've spent this entire time marveling at what

752
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<v Speaker 2>isolated frog cells and human tracheal cells can achieve when

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<v Speaker 2>the suppressive signals of the larger body are removed. We've

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<v Speaker 2>seen them build robots, invent new methods of replication, and

755
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<v Speaker 2>spontaneously wire up primitive brains simply by shifting their coordinates

756
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<v Speaker 2>in that vast possibility space.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about releasing those constraints.

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<v Speaker 2>So consider the trillions of cells comprising your own body

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<v Speaker 2>right now. If a handful of skin cells can be

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<v Speaker 2>coaxed into becoming an autonomous healing machine, what dormant, unimaginable architectures, abilities,

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<v Speaker 2>and entirely new forms of life are locked inside your

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<v Speaker 2>own tissues, silently waiting for the precise electrical signal to

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<v Speaker 2>awaken them.
