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<v Speaker 1>It was a tough weekend, and it was tough week

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody playing at the US Open at Oakmont. What

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<v Speaker 1>a brutal, brutal track to try and navigate for the

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty fifth playing. Our next guest on

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<v Speaker 1>the Lindsey Hunter Foundation guest line is Grant Hefner, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was able to do just that. He played there

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday and Friday. He had to win a qualifying round

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio and was unbelievable in winning it, beating out

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<v Speaker 1>some massive names that you're familiar with. And the Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>native joins us here on this Monday, Grant, hope your

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<v Speaker 1>dad had a great Father's Day. How are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. How difficult was that course?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's sometimes it's tough to explain. It probe

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest golf course I have played in my career

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<v Speaker 2>so far, just based on the condition. You know, US

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<v Speaker 2>Amateur was health there in twenty twenty one and I

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<v Speaker 2>had a privilege to be able to play in that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was nothing like what I just experienced Thursday Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the rough is just five and a half

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<v Speaker 2>inches thick, and you know, the people who did the

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<v Speaker 2>best were those who could avoid it.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you prepare for course like that with its challenges?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean playing it in a practice round is one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Playing it like you said before, uh is another. But

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions are not always the same. So how do

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<v Speaker 1>you prepare for something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>The conditions before the golf course throughout the weeks changed.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got there Monday, we had just got off

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<v Speaker 2>some rain and the course was quite soft in the fairways,

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<v Speaker 2>like it kind of was yesterday to the final round,

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<v Speaker 2>the rough was a little more wet. To prepare for it,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I must have hit hundreds of chips and

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<v Speaker 2>shots out, you know, out of the rock, just over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of three four days, just to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have any idea what to do. I mean, fortunately I

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<v Speaker 2>had a good team with me, with you know, two

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<v Speaker 2>of my country group coaches, you know, coaching on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, even with that, I mean, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a blind you're off pretty much. It's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's a rubb of degree meaning it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do you end in it or do you

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<v Speaker 2>do you get in the rough or do you not?

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to play your best to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, play very strategic in order to achieve that.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan ned a grand Hefner joining us here on extra

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<v Speaker 1>Jo Bros. He was a qualifier for the US Open.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday. You shot an eighty one. On Friday you

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<v Speaker 1>shot a seventy seven. But your front nine is one

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<v Speaker 1>that your back nine was really good. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you played the back nine, you're in right, you make

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<v Speaker 1>the cut. It's the front nine that caused problems, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for you, but for just about everybody. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest difference between the front nine at Oakmont compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the back nine at Oakmont?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's funny you caught on to that. The

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<v Speaker 2>I think the front nine there are holes there that

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<v Speaker 2>are just absolutely brutal to take three Hold eight and

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<v Speaker 2>Old nine. Those three holes are just they had to finish,

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<v Speaker 2>uh three of the hardest holes of the week, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no escaping that, meaning if you hit a bad shot,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't get away with it. Compared to the back nine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, full ten you don't need a hit driver,

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<v Speaker 2>whole eleven you don't need a hit driver. And the

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<v Speaker 2>green top pluses or I would say a little less severe,

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<v Speaker 2>but you could have almost all a scoring stressed and

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<v Speaker 2>I played really well on that nine the second day,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I made a couple of cuts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>making the cut wasn't out of the question for twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately, you know, I didn't, and so I still

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<v Speaker 2>had a great nine of that shot even far. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm bogied eighteen and it's still just a

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<v Speaker 2>brutal tot. They hit it right and the rough off

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<v Speaker 2>the team on eighteen, and I'm kind of knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty much a bogie immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>How big of a challenge is number eight? It's a

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<v Speaker 1>two and ninety three yard par three. It just seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's so daunting from the tee. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>use in that? And how are you playing that? Specifically?

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<v Speaker 2>That's burn the practice round. A lot of the players

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<v Speaker 2>just put it myself, we were hitting drivers at it.

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<v Speaker 2>As a week went on, out of the course firmed

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<v Speaker 2>up a bit, we switched over to three woods, and

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<v Speaker 2>but still the difficulty of it is you're hitting the

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<v Speaker 2>three wood of the small you know, I don't say

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<v Speaker 2>small green complex. The broach is large, three upon complex.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't miss, you know, the moment you hit

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<v Speaker 2>it in a rough, you're still just you know, debt,

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to sit from around the green, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was very easy to make a four.

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<v Speaker 2>You know over.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately is the mindset of par Is okay? Or even

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<v Speaker 1>a bogie on certain holes is okay? How challenging is

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<v Speaker 1>that to adapt when you're you used to being the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who was shooting sixty two and sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. Really, the mentality of bogey as your

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<v Speaker 2>friend in the major championship, especially as mainly as I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say the US Open is a very accurate statement. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was so hard to it's daft,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes making bogeye was hard. Best example for me

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<v Speaker 2>it was whull number three the first day. I hit

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<v Speaker 2>it right in the rough, and my Kaddy and I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about shipping into sideways last. But if I took

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<v Speaker 2>this sideways, the least it would have gone through the

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<v Speaker 2>fair way into the other rough. But let me try

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<v Speaker 2>to killing forward. And I tried hitting at nine iron

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<v Speaker 2>just to get it to go one hundred yards, and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even get us to go one hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now you know, a bigger number wasn't playing

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<v Speaker 2>it ended up making triple.

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<v Speaker 1>Grand after joining us here on Exison Bros. Professional goal

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<v Speaker 1>for Michigan or played in the US Open. And it

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<v Speaker 1>is a very challenging track, the greens or the rough.

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<v Speaker 1>What was more challenging for you?

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<v Speaker 2>The rough, without a doubt is uh, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>such a It's so thick and it was so dense

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<v Speaker 2>that it was really just luck if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>good lie. You know, sometimes you did, but in the

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<v Speaker 2>jord of your time you didn't. And you're opening that

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<v Speaker 2>club base on your wedge and taking a swing that

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<v Speaker 2>you would from sixty yards and you're hoping your ball

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<v Speaker 2>just on the green.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you watch the last round, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know Sam Burns on fifteen and you know, short

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<v Speaker 2>side of himself to the last and you know he's

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<v Speaker 2>taking this huge swing and he'n't even getting on the green.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was just it was just incredible to

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<v Speaker 2>playing conditions like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got a quick question for you. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you brought up Sam Burns. I forget which hole it was, Grant,

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<v Speaker 1>but his ball lands would look to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>puddle of water. I mean, it was. It was nasty

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<v Speaker 1>usually it's a drop from there, right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>some type of relief. Should they have get they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give him relief? Should he have gotten relief?

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<v Speaker 2>And why if it was whole fifteen someone? I think

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<v Speaker 2>some of they posted a picture on Instagram or stuffing

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<v Speaker 2>saying like this is where his ball was. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't look at it too much. But to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there was enough rain to justify

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<v Speaker 2>him get in what they call a standing water release.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in order to get standing water release, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to literally stand on pretty much where your golf

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<v Speaker 2>ball is and water has to rise out of the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that point, it was not raining, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the ball the water was draining away, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 2>was justified. I can't say, but I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>based on the telecast that I was watching, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>his ball of fine didn't have mud on it. He

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<v Speaker 2>just hit a really bad shot on fifty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, his daddy should have had a name in way, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing that if he, you know, makes a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>on seventeen, he's you know, still in the tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good answer, Grant Hefner joining us on the

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay Hunter Foundation guest line courses in general, Grant, do

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<v Speaker 1>you find that they are trying to make them pro proof?

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at it, Oakmant has only two par fives,

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<v Speaker 1>number twelve, six hundred and thirty seven and number four,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and seventeen. You're playing par fours that are

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<v Speaker 1>over five hundred yards five hundred and nine on number fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred and five. On eighteen you got a four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty five yard par four, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety yard par four. Are they tricking these golf courses

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<v Speaker 1>too much? So you guys can't score as easily as

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps you could have ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Even ye you know, so I looked at this. But

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<v Speaker 2>so if you were to have two ins rotten at

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<v Speaker 2>that US Open instead of the five and a half

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<v Speaker 2>six sens roughly played in, I think the winners you know,

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<v Speaker 2>under ten under parts. So it put a premium on

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the fairway out there. And because you know you

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<v Speaker 2>take nine, it's four hundred and ninety six yards, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you missed the fairway two yards left, you go

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<v Speaker 2>into a penalty hazard. If you miss it two yards right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a bunk or a rough, and from neither

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<v Speaker 2>location you can't get it. On the green. You kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thread this ball through a small, small opening and

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<v Speaker 2>it puts just an exacerbation on accuracy and temperate patience.

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<v Speaker 2>Not for the par five is they were very long,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're actually both very reachable because some elevation change.

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<v Speaker 2>So every guy was going for hole twelve pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>if you hit the fairway, including myself, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>going for them with either a six wood or three wood,

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<v Speaker 2>and some guys were going for him with the iron seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but those were the only holes. He felt like, you know, hey, Exeason,

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<v Speaker 2>my thirty opportunities. So I mean you just have to

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<v Speaker 2>hold on and you know, grind out the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a narrow margin of error though, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about two yards. You hit it two yards

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<v Speaker 1>right of your target or two yards left of your target,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're getting pedalized even though you're hitting it in

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<v Speaker 1>the fair way. And Grand Heffner can relate. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>the Lindsay Hunter Foundation guest line with us here on

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<v Speaker 1>X's and Bros. We saw the frustration from Terrell Hatton.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw it from Sam Burns. We saw it from

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson to Shambo. What were your colleagues on the PGA

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<v Speaker 1>tour telling you about the course when all was said

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was funny hearing a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>weren't thrilled as the four setup. I think they wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they would have appreciated like four inch russ

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<v Speaker 2>instead of you know, the five and a half six

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff we had, which I think that it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been a little more fair. But I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>the USJ ass the golf course as they have in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. It's like USOLP such as Shinnecock. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it just led the frustration. I know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>saw the Rory McElroy slams in the club head on

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<v Speaker 2>staying within yourself and making incredibly smart decisions and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Was out there, but you just really had to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Was it more challenging physically or mentally?

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<v Speaker 2>a I think mentally, I mean, because this game, this game,

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<v Speaker 2>and really commit to a line and know that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>reopen on this and you know, I've we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>So it just puts an exager just exaggerate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>You got a chance to work out a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>with JJ Spahn. You get to know these guys a

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<v Speaker 1>How happy are you for a guy who made a

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<v Speaker 1>only guy in red figures.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's incredible. You know, it's funny. I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>thought two under was a pretty good score for the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the week and ended up being one under.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't say more nice things about JJ spawn.

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<v Speaker 2>I happened to be able to play in the Rocket

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<v Speaker 2>program with them last year. It was just a gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it's funny enough. I it's a golf course,

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<v Speaker 2>setsuots so well, he's not the longest said are he

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<v Speaker 2>has you know, he gets it far enough. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>great iron player. He's patient. You know, he's not some

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<v Speaker 2>US Open, but he can you know, stay around are

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<v Speaker 2>in the US Open. And that's what they did this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know he's gonna be a nicer guy.

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<v Speaker 1>What did this experience teach you and how do you

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<v Speaker 2>The my coaches and myself, we learned, we learned a

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<v Speaker 2>and we start at this Thursday with that implementing this

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<v Speaker 2>it just makes me want it even more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes me want to be Uh, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>mac or air Bipon, but I can go be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even makes me makes me say I can go be

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<v Speaker 2>a JJ sponsor. You know he uh, he's gonna win

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<v Speaker 2>his first PJ Tour event. Soal ten years being a

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<v Speaker 1>Help us with the challenges, I think it people view

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour as private jets, five star hotels, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Chaufford cars to the clubhouse and then you're playing and

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<v Speaker 1>living the life of luxury. That's for the very rarefied error.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a challenge. It's really hard. What's the most difficult

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the lives we see if you watch,

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<v Speaker 2>phenoms and world numbers, top ten in their life. Looks

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tarn good. But there's a there's a large PJ

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<v Speaker 2>has rental cars who who you know, you may not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to recognize if they walk to do a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Jay Jay Fond told us, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>practice FREEKW that is kind of his thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could walk into a restaurant and you know

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<v Speaker 2>not really you know, maybe one first recognizing them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not not uh you know, not somebody gives someone

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<v Speaker 2>the starstruck. But with that, you know, not being a

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's not glamorous, especially when you're chasing

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<v Speaker 2>it like what I'm doing. You know, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>status and you're driving across the country to play in

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<v Speaker 2>these events that are called mini tour events or Monday

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<v Speaker 2>qualifiers just to have an opportunity, and you're staying in

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, you're not saying a five star hotels

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, driving around a courtesy Lexis for the week.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're grinding it out, looking at your finances, making sure,

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know you're well within your meat. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's by far. Uh, you know, not a oral treatment

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<v Speaker 2>when you're chasing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's tough, but we give you a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>credit because you're a hell of a player and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the challenges are there, but you can overcome them.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate the time. Congratulations on winning the US Open qualifier.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations on playing at Oakmont. We're going to hear and

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<v Speaker 1>see you quite a bit moving forward. Thanks for the

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<v Speaker 1>time today, Grant. We appreciate you joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. Thank you for what you do.