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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

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love to hear from you. I hope you had a

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great new year. Molly. We haven't spoken in a few weeks.

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A lot has happened in that time. I think this

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episode will be very foreign policy oriented. I think we

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should start with Venezuela and Operation Absolute Resolve. The entire

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operation took like ninety minutes. We bombed a bunch of infrastructure,

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We extracted the fake Venezuelan president, Nicholas Madaro, and we

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brought him to New York where he was indicted on

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narco terrorist charges. He and his wife, whose name I forget,

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Cecilia something, maybe.

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Speaker 2: A lovely lady Flores, a lovely lady who's been involved

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in trafficking and crimes herself.

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's there's a lot to talk about here.

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I think we should start by just at least I'd

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like to note how impressive the operation was I mean,

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Venezuela is not Granada. I mean it's a it's a country,

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has a military, it's not nothing. And we we didn't

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lose a single person. I think that a bunch of

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Cuban mercenaries around thirty were killed, who were bodyguards, I

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guess of of the Venezuelan president.

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Speaker 2: So just first off, like you said, this was an

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absolutely amazing operation that was executed, according to what we

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know currently, seemingly flawlessly. I mean, this was not easy.

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This is a guy who understood that he was wanted

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in the same way that Saddam Hussein or Osama bin

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Laden understood they were wanted. These you know, and Venezuela

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has many more capabilities than rogue terrorists or the heads

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of a rock. And it was just really impressive and

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well done. And that level of excellence is important in

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a military operation. When you look at how botched the

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withdrawal from Afghanistan was, it's a good comparison to remind

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the rest of the world that our military is fierce.

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You do not want to come up against it, and

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you will lose if you come up against it. Like

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all of that is really important stuff. And then as

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for the operation itself. You know, it's funny. I was

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seeing all these people on Twitter opining and I didn't

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say much because I didn't have the strongest feelings. Now

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let me say what I think is great about it.

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We're good about it. Venezuela has been a problem for

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our country, not just you know, I think there's like

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the public facing claim that they're exporting a lot of drugs.

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It is true that they use drugs. We talked about

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this actually a few weeks ago, right, Like, you don't

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like the phrase narco terrorist. You think that's like a

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unwise phrase, and I think you have some you have

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some good points there. So the public facing thing is

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that it's all related to quote unquote narco terrorism. But

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the reality is that Venezuela is a problem for many

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more and much deeper reasons. They are an important part

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of countries that are sworn enemies of ours, of their

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ability to keep fighting US, whether that's China or Iran

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or Russia. And one of the things I loved about

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the operation is that Venezuela supposedly had all of these

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amazing Chinese and Russian defense systems and they just completely failed,

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Which is another great thing for America and then we've

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just kind of been operating for decades as this entity

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where anybody can do whatever they want, and they can

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do whatever they want in their own countries' interests, and

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we frequently are subsidizing it as opposed to advocating for

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our own And so I don't know, hate this like

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I might hate a similar op with less strategic interest

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for US. I mean, there's so much about yes, the oil.

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Sorry I'm remembering code pinks like no blood for oil,

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as if wars haven't been fought over resource allocation and

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protection of region and spheres of influence for like a

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really long time. But strategically from the oil standpoint and

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the ability to thwart China, I think it's pretty good.

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My concern would be that our country is having a

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lot of problems, and I want to make sure that

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the Trump administration is able to keep its eye on

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the ball of what needs to be done domestically, Like

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our country is not in the best shape. Yes, we're powerful,

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breakdowns inside of us that are really serious and I'm

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hoping we'll talk about that too, like the Somali fraud

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situation and other things.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: I want Trump, the Trump administration to be understanding that

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far more than even this action abroad, we need to

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be taking action here to save the country, like or

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else we won't be able to do these things in

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the long run, like long after you and I are dead.

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But it's important to have a strong country going forward too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess. I think there are fewer

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problems than other people doing inside the country, not that

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I don't think there aren't problems. And I think that

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having federal investigators going after Somalis won't be hindered by us.

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Speaker 2: There are other things, like you know, there's a mass

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deportation project going on right now. Like one of the

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things people said is like, oh, well, now we can

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deport all these Venezuelans. It's like, well, we could have

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done it already. You know, we don't need to wait

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over another country to deport people who shouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: But yes, well, okay, well let's talk about a few

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other other things. I mean, thanks for mentioning the weapons system.

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The Chinese and Russian weaponry has taken a massive beating

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over the last twelve months. I mean, obviously they're not

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up to par in Ukraine. Frankly, we know where Russia

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hasn't done as well as everyone assumed they would do

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in Iran now here, you know, they're they're just the

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America is way. You know, I've been reading about this situation.

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It just seems to me like America is just way

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ahead technologically as far as warfare goes. But also let's

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talk about taking you know, a lot of people say

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we're taking over this country. Regime change I see used

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by a lot of people. Well, I think that's a

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false I think it's false.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say in defense of people who

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are making that, who are concerned about that, Hey, it's

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totally legitimate to be concerned about taking over country and

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wasting a lot of time with that because of how

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we handled it in the past. I personally think Trump

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approaches the military like completely differently than all of his

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predecessors left and right. But we have failed so much

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with regime change in nation building and stuff like that.

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And then Trump kind of you have to listen to

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the whole thing, but he kind of was saying, yeah,

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we love we love regime change in nation building and

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boots on the ground, and then he and then you know,

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other people in the administration and Trump himself were like,

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I'm just trying to make the point, like we won

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this little skirmish and we're controlling things. But like people

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weren't crazy to think that that might be happening, because

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Trump himself was saying it. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, I think we've had this debate before.

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I don't think our regime change efforts have been as

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big a failure as other people do. I think if

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you think you know most people today, you know around

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for Iraq. So that's what everyone's focused on. And I've

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written about this before. I think Donald Trump has gotten

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us past that. Where he has he hasn't surely he

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hasn't embraced the kind of idealistic neo conview. But he

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certainly is not the type of isolationists that a lot

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of people pretend he is, or we'll speak for him

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on the in the podcast first claim he is or

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will be in that movement. He is driving international events

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in a way that is very aggressive, right, and so

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that's one thing. But my regime change point is merely

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that we have not taken over this country. There are

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no real boots on the ground. Also, This is not

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the duly elected leader of that country. So he was

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arrested because we have indictments against him. The vice president

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still there, that government is still there. It is clear

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that the plan here, and I think there was a

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Wall Street Journal story about Marc or Ruby. I think

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was speaking to some elected officials about how they're going

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to go about this, which is to pressure that country

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through oil to essentially get rid of China, Russia, Iran,

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Cuba and build have real elections there. We'll see what

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that happens, and build bridges to the United States. We

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have every right to act in our interests. I don't know.

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I've been kind of mulling over the legalities as far

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as the Constitution goes. Whereas is this a war is

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an action? I don't know, for I don't have a

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fully formed opinion on what Trump would need to do here.

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But the fact is that we've been doing this for

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a long time, engaging ourselves in military actions. So this

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is in the interest of the United States. Unlike say,

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the bombing of Libya, which Barack Obama did without any

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congressional approval and had nothing to do with our best interests,

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this clearly does. And I don't know if you saw,

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but today the United States has boarded not one but

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two tankers, one of them a Russian tanker I believe,

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I'm not sure about the second one to try to

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evade the sanctions on oil. So obviously step two here

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is going to be to put a lot of pressure

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on Venezuela to act in the way that we decide.

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I think that's great, and I think Donald Trump's foreign policy,

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as far as military actions have gone, have always been

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in the interests of the United States, not the interests

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of other nations. He's like people forget not only Iran,

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which I think was great, but he's also basically been

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the first president, even though others have talked about it,

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to pressure NATO into actually taking more of a role

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in defending themselves after seventy years.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of what you just said about the last

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seventy years, I was seeing a lot of really stupid

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commentary out there. Some of the commentary that was stupid

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were Democrat leaders who claimed that the fact that Trump

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hadn't gone into Venezuela and seized Baduro during his first

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term showed that he was a puppet of Vladimir Putin.

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There is no greater proof than the fact that he's

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done nothing to arrest Maduro. And then the moment he

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went in to arrest Maduro, they said, this is a

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horrible thing that never should have happened, and this is

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a lawless president. And it just was a great like

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sometimes the very very same people like Chuck Schumer or

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Kamala Harris, We're saying completely opposite things there. But there

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was also this idea, I think that a lot of

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people had that what was going to save the United

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States from invasion or attack was the rules based international

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order and we all agree to certain rules and we

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won't break those rules. And it was unclear exactly what

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those rules were, but there's a rules based order and

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that's the key to success. And Trump has this very

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old school throwback, you know, he loves reminding people of

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the Munroe doctrine. I saw CNN was calling it the

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Donro doctrine, This notion that we really have a sphere

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of influence in this hemisphere, that other countries such as

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China and Russia and Iran should not be meddling using

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Venezuela or any other country in this hemisphere to go

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after US. And a reminder that. Yeah, I mean it

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kind of relates to me to this issue that we

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should probably devote another episode two, which is whether our

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country is a country that is an idea or a people,

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And I tend to think it's got aspects of both.

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isn't just an idea, and it isn't just controlled by ideas,

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but it also has just interests and it needs to

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take action to ensure those interests. And a rules based

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order isn't going to protect us from Venezuela, particularly when

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they're working with China and Russia in Iran. And we

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do have a lot of power in our country because

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we are the reserve currency of the world, and that's

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based entirely on all sorts of things that can change,

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not quickly necessarily, but like the sale of oil in

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US dollars, and Venezuela was really trying to make a

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play for attacking us in that area, as have been

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other countries, and we're letting it be known that that's

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not going to happen. I mean, there's a point to

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being a strong country that represents its interests, and you know,

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a rules based order isn't going to explain all of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't believe in international law at all.

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rogue regimes. Ever, so what happens is it's the same

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thing with like gun policy in the United States. You

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the law abiding citizens follow the law for gone ownership,

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and then you can't defend yourself while the criminal doesn't

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care and does whatever he wants. But also, international law

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can't exist because we haven't don't we haven't voted for it.

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We can enter into agreements and if the other side

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uppolds them, we can, and Venezuela doesn't uphold any of

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its agreements, why should we? Generally, we're a moral country

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and our intentions aren't to hurt other countries. I know

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that's out of style to say, but I think it's true. Generally.

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this to punish the people of Venezuela. We're doing it

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to help them, frankly and ourselves. So I agree with

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all that, and I hope it works. I don't know,

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you know, it seemed like there was a lack of

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a plan, and that has a lot to do with

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Donald Trump and the things he says. But you know,

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Rubio has been a rollercoaster over like the last whatever

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amount of years he's been around. But I'm incredibly impressed

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by the job he's done. By the way, we don't

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have to let communists. Anytime there's a commie dragged in

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front of a cord and handcuffs, I think that's a

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good day we have. No, we don't have to allow

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communist regimes to exist in the Western hemisphere. And more

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than that, we've been involved in this stuff forever we

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have gone. The United States government going all the way back,

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has been involved in the politics of Latin America. I

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don't think we need to change now. I think those

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they don't always work out the way they should, but

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I think we do it in our interests and I

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think we should continue. And Donald Trump's continued in that

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tradition to some extent, So I don't know. I'm happy

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with it. I again, at the legality, I don't know,

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but otherwise I think it's good for America so far,

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and I'm impressed. It's like someone used the metaphor the

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Gordian not thing. I'm sorry I just want one last

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thing where where you know that the myth with Alexander

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he sees this intricate nod and he can't open it,

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and it just takes a sword and cuts right through it.

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I think that's what Donald Trump is about someone I'm

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taking credit for someone else's thought there.

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Speaker 2: But most of what I do, my friends will always

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send me great images or texts and then I just

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like steal them and post them and people are like,

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you're so smart on Twitter. Well, I did steal that

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from my friends. But so there's a lot that I

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wanted to get into there. But one of the things

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you know, communism really is a threat to our country,

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and we have long understood that and we've taken it

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very seriously. But we have a growing threat of what

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they call it gay race communism, you know, this communism

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that's happening right now in our country on the left,

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and it's gaining power in American cities, and I think

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we need to take it. We need to call it

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out for what it is, which is not whatever fancy

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But we need to. We need to take it very

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seriously and take it out. So, I mean, this is

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a little bit of a morose or a wrong joke

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to make, but I was thinking, like I would like

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to take out a mom Donnie as much as a Maduro.

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I mean, he's damaging the country. He is a communist.

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an immigrant, you're you know, being a communist is one

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of the reasons why you should not be allow in

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this an immigrant, if you're lying about being a communist,

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that's a problem. And just because they call themselves something

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else doesn't change the fact that they are that it's

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an insidious, evil, violently dangerous ideology that can destroy lives.

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And we should not just be like, oh, isn't that

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cute that the Democrats are now just embracing full blown communism.

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Speaker 1: Hugo Chavez was a democratic socialist himself. He ran for

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an elections. It's the when you get into power, when

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communists get into power, when they strip people of their rights,

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not before usually so anyway, sorry, Okay.

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for people who are concerned about the legality of what

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went on and again, I don't get mad when people

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are concerned about these things. I think it's legitimate. And

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for what it's worth, we went through this before when

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we seized Noriega. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually was on.

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Speaker 1: I think we did this on the anniversary of that.

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Maybe we're very close, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, And that was litigated through the courts and it

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was found to have been a lawful action to go

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in and arrest him. So the final thing, Oh, sorry,

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now I just saying there's gonna be a trial, right yeah,

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And he's got really good attorneys. It sounds like so,

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and that's how you know that's fine. And then the

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other thing I just wanted to say, related to your

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Gordian not thing, is that I saw someone saying on

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social media like, I don't like Donald Trump. I don't

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like the way he talks, Like, for instance, I hated

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the way he went after Rob Reiner after Rob Reiner died.

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He's like, but I think it's time for everyone to

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just kind of be honest that we are living in

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the midst of a great presidency and a great president

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and he's really effective at what he's doing, and he's

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doing it under difficult circumstances and like, could we all

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just acknowledge that? And I think there's an aspect to

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that that the hysteria of the media and other Democrats

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have held us back from just a knowledging, which is,

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this is a remarkable presidency we're living through. It has

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had tremendous success, and I get that you and I

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both might say there are things about it that we

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really don't like, but that's sort of a different issue

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than the greatness of this presidency.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there are a lot of things I

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like very much, and there are things I don't like

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very much. It's very It's weird because typically when you

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have a president, you generally agree with most of the

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things they're doing or not, you know, so for me,

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but as a foreign policy president, I just I've been

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it's incredibly impressive, especially the second term more than the

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first term. And I it's just the way.

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Speaker 2: But you just said just struck me. You said, you know,

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usually you agree or disagree more with some Yeah. I

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think that's one of the issues that has made me

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feel so out of place in DC the last decade

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is that I have never felt large agreement with any

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president prior to Trump. Now, I you know, just this week,

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President Trump said We've got to be flexible on whether

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we pay for the killing of unborn children in the

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womb with taxpayer money. I hate that. So there's plenty

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to hate, and I that's fine, But I've never actually

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agreed with someone as much as I agree with him,

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particularly on large issues and the need to go after them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I'm thinking about it. I mean, I

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just just generally disagree with all presidents. I liked George W.

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Bush before he was president a lot more than I

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liked him as president. I think he was a failure

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as a president, frankly, not just because of you Rock,

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but the growth of government. So yeah, I don't know,

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but my point, yeah.

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Speaker 2: This yesterday, Sean Davis was saying how he thought that,

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you know, George W. Bush was not a good president,

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but he was a really nice guy. And it was

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reminding me that I was at like a you know,

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they talk about Georgetown cocktail parties. Yeah, I don't go

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to Georgetown cocktail parties. But I do have occasional social

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interactions with people, and I always feel like I'm putting

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my foot in my mouth, like with these people because

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I forget just how different I am than the Washington

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DC consensus. And at a recent such event, I was

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going off on how bad George W. Bush was to

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someone who had just like written at length about him

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being one of our best presidents. And I was like,

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or like the time I and I totally repented at this,

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but the time I tried to take on Bill Bennett

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about drug legalization, and Mark was like, you got to

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pick better antagonists, like, don't go after Bill, like you know.

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like me just being trying to tell Bill Bennett something

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about drug legalization.

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Speaker 1: I saw that Bill Bennett now works for is an

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agent of Qatar or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's right, I mean. I And on that note,

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in Georgetown cocktail parties, I was talking with some friends

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about it who are friend who are more friends with him,

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and they were very disappointed that he was doing that.

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And I do think, you know, I don't know, I

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don't know if I have a hard and fast rule

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about working for foreign governments for other people, but Mark

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and I just kind of decided early on that we

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would not take money to do work for foreign governments.

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And it's kind of sad how much that affects your income.

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the house size to prove that we've never taken money

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from a foreign government. But a lot of people do.

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They lobby for them or they write for them, and

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I just kind of decided that's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: Not only when I take money from a foreign government,

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I want to take money from this government. I want

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to take money from the Yeah, I just I feel

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like it. It puts you in a position where you

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can't you can never really honestly right moving forward. I

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don't know whatever. I hate what that. I make myself

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sound like I'm some saying. I just think it's a

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normal thing for a journal it's not to take money

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from governments, uh even their own, but especially foreign governments.

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I don't care if you love that. I'm sure you

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hate it, Like it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about another potential invasion that might be on

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the horizon, and that is green Land. Donald Trump talks

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about Greenland all the time, right, he wants to buy it,

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he's threatening to invade it. Basically, I'm all for Listen.

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I saw what's the There's a senator in Arizona, not

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not Kelly. The other guy is Gayego or something geos.

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He's trying to push through this law that that or

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bill that will stop Donald Trump from evading Greenland. Which

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is fine whatever, But in this tweet he said he

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doesn't want us to be involved in another forever war.

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There are like fifty thousand people, I think in Greenland.

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I don't think they have any kind of military We

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have a military base there already, we have an agreement

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from the fifties where we basically can do what we

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want now. Obviously people laugh about this Greenland thing, but

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there I think there are actually very good reasons not

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to allow the Russians and Chinese to gain footholds there.

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The minerals are are difficult to get to. I think

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people think we want to steal those. Maybe in the future,

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as the earth warms, we'll be able to get to them.

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We're in the future when technology lets us do that.

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But I think there are good reasons. And it's clear

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to me that he's putting tons of pressure on Denmark,

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which kind of nominally runs the place. I guess it's

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kind of a welfare state. I think they invest a

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bunch of money. But Greenlanders, is that what you call him.

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I think they can have a referendum on whether they

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want to join the United States. I think we should

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just bribe him into doing it the old fashioned way.

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Just drop a bunch of money and give him some

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promises of infrastructure and so on and take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think zero Hedge was pointing out, we could

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just give everybody a million dollars and get this for

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much cheaper than normal methods that it would take to

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acquire place like this. I am on record from the

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moment this started. So when Trump first said something, corporate

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media use it as an example of how he was

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losing his mind and how crazy it was, and how

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that was the craziest thing they'd ever heard, And from

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that day forward I have said, I think this is

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a good idea. So I continue to think it's a

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great idea for again the strategic interest reasons. People claim

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that they think Russia is this huge threat all the time. Well,

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if you really believe that acquiring Greenland would be a

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really smart thing to do, just because of how easy

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it would be for Russians to come over the Pole

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after US and other things. And they're yeah, resource rich,

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they're very Lutheran, right, I'm Lutheran. I like Lutherans. I

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hope they're like the bad lefty Lutherans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean the Danes colonize that place a

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few hundred years ago. Are Danes generally Lutherans? They might

477
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,319
be right, they are, yeah, they are. You are like

478
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,880
the Danes. I saw a great story where these Danish

479
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,079
politicians were talking about how they have to stop taking

480
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,160
US weapons now and start I guess going to the Chinese,

481
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480
and in my head that I was like, this does

482
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,039
not It's not going to work out for you. Also,

483
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,720
I think we're both in NATO, so we're not going

484
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,039
to attack Denmark. But I think there, you know, it's

485
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:04,279
just but I have to say something. Donald Trump says

486
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,000
a lot of crazy stuff, obviously, but sometimes he says, oh,

487
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,200
someone had put it so well. Donald Trump doesn't do

488
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,200
all the crazy things he says he will. But all

489
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,119
the things he does he's talked about doing. You know

490
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what I'm saying, there are no real surprises.

491
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm going to come in and get you, Maduro,

492
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and then he does, I'm going to bomb you a

493
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,039
run and then he does.

494
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll see what happens with Greenland. I think

495
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that would be that would be good for the nation.

496
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: Well, just a reminder again he was elected. I think

497
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,200
people are very very very happy with the pivot in

498
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:44,200
foreign policy from Biden, Obama, Bush ears, but as happy

499
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,759
as that makes them, people vote for domestic policy reasons,

500
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,920
and he needs to understand that people voted for him

501
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:55,640
to fix this country. And I believe that a lot

502
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,599
of his foreign policy actions are designed to help this

503
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,160
country survive and even like economically they're wise going forward.

504
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,480
But it just, you know, just keep his eye on

505
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:08,720
the ball and his team.

506
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,319
Speaker 1: I saw a pole pre operation in Venezuela that most

507
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,480
Americans didn't want to be involved there after that Pole

508
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,319
just flipped on CNN that most people were for it.

509
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,160
Now you can believe these poles are not. I see

510
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:24,200
your credule it.

511
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Speaker 2: Your well, I just I don't think it's I don't

512
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,200
think poles matter in the aftermath period, but they particularly don't.

513
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,559
You can't do a real, like high quality pole. But

514
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200
I do think there's truth to what you just said, David,

515
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:42,000
which is people don't want nation building forever wars And

516
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,839
what the reason why I don't like freak out as

517
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,279
much as other people who don't want that. When Donald

518
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:53,119
Trump takes action is he tends to go in, get

519
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,559
the bad guy, and get out.

520
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Now.

521
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Speaker 2: I understand that because of what Venezuela did with taking

522
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,680
over US companies a long time ago. There's a lot

523
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to work out there. But if this becomes some kind

524
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of nation building exercise that is not in the country's

525
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,480
interests and that involves a lot of death of Americans

526
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,200
or something like that, which I don't think it will,

527
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,880
that would be a problem. But people just still have

528
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,240
trauma associated with how poorly we prosecuted worth for a while.

529
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But that doesn't mean Trump's going to and Hegesith are

530
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going to do the same thing.

531
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Speaker 1: Well, well, The reason I brought up the poll was,

532
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and I think you're right about that, is this just

533
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,319
show that people aren't very ideological about foreign policy. They

534
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,160
want successful foreign policy, which is essentially what you just said.

535
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
They don't want you know, if you do it right,

536
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:44,880
there will be for it. I mean most people were

537
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,759
for Iraq in the beginning when it looked great, and

538
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:48,279
then when it didn't, they weren't. So what I mean

539
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,759
is I just don't think they pay the sort of

540
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,279
attention to it as you also said, and they just

541
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:57,279
want successful operations. The problem I do have, though a

542
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,200
little bit, is like you're saying, like there's a lot

543
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,160
of this, and I see from JD. Vance and others

544
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,519
who are like, yeah, well Donald, you have to trust

545
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,359
that Donald Trump's going to do it the right way. Well,

546
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,920
we have to have a sort of doctrine of foreign

547
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
policy in essence, and we have to not just trust

548
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,400
that one person isn't going to get us into trouble,

549
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,680
and that we have types of politicians who aren't going

550
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,519
to get us in trouble. I don't think there are

551
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,880
a lot of neocons in the real sense left who

552
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,880
are out there wanting to build democracies elsewhere with boots

553
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,319
on the ground, I don't. But this is nation yeah,

554
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,480
but this is nation building in a sense. I mean,

555
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:35,279
we're pressuring this nation into being a more hopefully democratic place.

556
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,519
And let's talk about another thing. In Iran right now,

557
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:42,480
there are protests everywhere in the country. I see a

558
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,359
lot of excitement about it. I have a few qualms,

559
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,759
Like one is, we've seen this before. I think there

560
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,599
have been three basic nation wide protests and they haven't

561
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,319
worked out. I'm not sure this one will. And also

562
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
I always worry about what comes after some sort of

563
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,839
populist revolt, right I mean, I don't know that's going

564
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,279
to be better. I don't know what's going to happen.

565
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,039
I do think that we should always be I think

566
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:11,359
that American foreign policy should be for our interests, but

567
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640
there has to be a little bit of idealism in

568
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,880
there that we will try to help people who want

569
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,559
to help themselves be free, because the world is a

570
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,960
better place for us when we have countries who are

571
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,559
friendly with us, when we have countries who are a

572
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,599
democratic in some sense. So we'll see what happens in Iran.

573
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,000
And I would never want to drop boots down there

574
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,400
at all, But I wonder if we should be doing

575
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
a little more somehow to help them. I don't know.

576
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Oh what I wanted to mention about that is this

577
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,599
weekend when we went into Venezuela the next day, there

578
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,799
were a lot of videos that were presented as if

579
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,720
they were people in the streets of Venezuela celebrating the

580
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,960
ouster of Maduro. Now, let me first off say that

581
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,400
Venezuela has an incredibly well organized, well funded, vibrant and

582
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:04,240
massive opposition movement, so it is in fact something they've

583
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,839
been working quite hard for. Was the ouster of this

584
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,920
dictator who straight up stole elections, And that is true.

585
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,920
And at the same time, the videos that people kept posting,

586
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,839
I'd be like, why are all these people wearing Maga hats?

587
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,240
And then it would be like, oh, this is the

588
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Venezuelan diaspora in Miami or something like that, you know,

589
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:31,920
And I am so distrustful of video that supposedly show

590
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,960
or something. I saw another one that said like, actually,

591
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,160
this is not Venezuela, this is Colombia and it was

592
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,799
ten years ago or something like that.

593
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: You know, I mean too quickly, you know, when you

594
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,920
see Gaza stuff or you know, the Palestinians. So there's

595
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
so much AI and everything that you should not trust

596
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,599
a lot of those videos.

597
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,079
Speaker 2: For sure. What I want someone to explain to me

598
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:58,400
is that particular footage evidence that you see on social

599
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,799
media supposedly of Iran protests. I have never seen such

600
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000
poorly done footage. It seems like an op. It's always

601
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,400
like shaky cameras, shaky, shaky, can't zone in on anything.

602
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,039
People are running, it's dark, you're told what you're seeing,

603
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,920
but you can't actually see it yourself, And I'm like, maybe,

604
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,599
and then also because you just said there have been

605
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,000
mass nationwide protests in Iran before, maybe or maybe we

606
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,360
were told they were. I don't know, but the footage

607
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,280
is so non compelling and it angers me to see

608
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,519
people sharing it like they're so willing to be told

609
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,880
what they're seeing without verifying themselves, and I would like

610
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,000
them to do a better.

611
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Job with that. We know though there are protests. I

612
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,119
think I don't know about all the videos, but there

613
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,440
are economic problems there and it's clear that there is

614
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,519
something going on. I don't know to what extent it is.

615
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:03,800
Maybe maybe it's exaggerated by because there is a well

616
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,639
organized anti Mullah movement, you know as well outside of

617
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:13,000
Iran from Iranian diaspora. So I get that, but I

618
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,800
do think something's going on there. I it's going to

619
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,920
be hard to disoldge that that government. So we'll see

620
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,159
what happens there. But in any event, let's talk now

621
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,079
a little bit about domestic domestic problems that you mentioned

622
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:34,719
before about the is it Somali or Somalian or is

623
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,000
it there? So I'll say Somali community in Minnesota, especially

624
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,400
around Minneapolis, that has been involved in widespread fraud. We

625
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,920
don't exactly know. I don't know the entire story yet,

626
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,360
but one prosecutor said that it might be that half

627
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,559
half of all money sent to I think it was

628
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:59,719
all medicaid money something like that, but like nine billion

629
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,320
dollars since twenty eighteen has been fraudulently taken. So you

630
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,960
have programs for autistic kids that don't have autistic kids.

631
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,960
You have all kinds of charitable programs that have employees

632
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:17,159
that have you know, infrastructure, but not are not actually

633
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:27,400
doing anything. So obviously, and what's the guy's name, Nick Shirley?

634
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,119
Speaker 2: Surely, yeah, right, So.

635
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,079
Speaker 1: He released a forty minute video I think the day

636
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,760
after Christmas maybe of Somali run childcare centers that it

637
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,920
look like we're fraudulently taking some you know, taking funding

638
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,519
and people weren't showing up and so on. That went viral. Yeah, listen,

639
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,440
I'll just say this. I think the guy has made

640
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,519
some mistakes, but he's like, you know, he's just starting

641
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,840
out as a journalist. It is what it is. But

642
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,199
it is funny to watch, especially CNN attempting to discredit

643
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,000
the guy rather than moving the story forward, considering their

644
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,400
atrocious record at journalism recently. But that's the reaction quite

645
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,280
often from the left when you see any kind of

646
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,639
story that puts immigrants in a poor light, they immediately

647
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,199
try to you know, marginalize the people who brought it

648
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,679
up or diminish it. And there's this I don't know

649
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:26,599
how to put it. I guess there's this like obligation

650
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,760
everyone feels to celebrate immigrants, all of them, all the time,

651
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,079
like they all share identical values, like they all have

652
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,280
the same motivations, Like they're all just the same I

653
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:41,559
have the same successes, And it's just not true. We

654
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,519
have a responsibility to bring people into this country who

655
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:48,960
are who are successful and who assimilate and who embrace.

656
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:50,920
If everyone says they we're a country of ideas, and

657
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,119
I think that that's true in large part, and you know,

658
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,400
we're also people and all that. But if it is

659
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,599
ideas then and they're not accepting those ideas, then why

660
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,400
can't we talk talk about it? Right? And obviously there's

661
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,519
a problem here, and now you just want to say

662
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,480
it's not just a criminality, that's the problem. Of course,

663
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:10,199
that's the thing we focus on. It's that like eighty

664
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,119
one percent of Somalis in Minnesota are on welfare to

665
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,320
some ex sense or whatever the numbers, it's huge. We

666
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
have immigrant groups where they're like five percent are on

667
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,559
welfare from Kenya. We have Christians come here and they're

668
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,639
on the low end of welfare and they're quite successful.

669
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,000
So it's obviously a cultural thing and it's something where

670
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,039
we should be allowed to talk about and not be

671
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:33,440
called racists immediately.

672
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and many states are refusing to share their welfare

673
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,039
data with the federal government precisely so that the federal

674
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,519
government cannot accurately understand the level of fraud in different

675
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:56,320
immigrant populations. And that is a huge red flag that

676
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,960
various Democrat governors and Democrat leadership of state don't want

677
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,800
people to know about the level of fraud. There have

678
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,039
been benefits to Democrats in Minnesota of turning of creating

679
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,760
systems that enable easy fraud and then turning a blind

680
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,760
eye to the fraud or maybe even participating in the fraud.

681
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,079
They have gained control of what used to be a

682
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:25,039
purple state pretty decisively. So we know the motive of

683
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,280
Democrats to allow mass fraud of US taxpayer funds because

684
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,559
some of these moneies are from Minnesota taxpayers, some of

685
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,159
these moneies are from you and me. Federal taxpayers assume.

686
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,599
Speaker 1: More and more from federal taxpayers to stay stick on

687
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,599
less and less of the burden over the years.

688
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: So I'll just first off note that Tim Walls, the

689
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,039
Great White Hope of the Christ of the Democrat ticket,

690
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,119
was forced to step down from running for reelection.

691
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,599
Speaker 1: Another comy gone.

692
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: Over this fraud that he had been warned about. He'd

693
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,800
been told about and he did literally nothing to stop it.

694
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,519
He's now claiming he did a ton to stop it.

695
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,280
Clearly that's not true, and he's been forced to step

696
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,719
down because Democrats need to keep this state to keep

697
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,239
this operation going, and so he understood, like the best

698
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,079
chance his party has to keep this crime happening is

699
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,519
to step down. So he did that. It's a big scalp,

700
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:32,199
though for this young journalist. I want to just say

701
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,679
the dude who was working with Nick Shirley was my favorite.

702
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,760
I think his name is just David, like we don't

703
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,199
have a last name. And he was the one who

704
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,679
had seen something and said something. He noticed that all

705
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,679
of these government funded centers had no actual clients in

706
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,559
them when he was just driving around and living in

707
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,119
his neighborhood, and so he dug into it. And I

708
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,519
think that guy's a hero, and I love that he

709
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,079
was interested in it, and I hope more people are

710
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:03,719
interested in this type of crifting.

711
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,079
Speaker 1: I just quickly quickly had that. Chris Rufo did a

712
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,440
story not long ago about how some of the funding

713
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,559
from these Somali people had gone to a terrorist organization,

714
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:18,199
Al Shabab. Yeah. There have been almost one hundred indictments,

715
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,519
you know, and I think around ninety percent of those

716
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,679
indictments over this sort of fraud where Somali's already I'm

717
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,719
not saying that this isn't a big story by him

718
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,760
because it is, because it brought up a lot of

719
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,119
attention to this, but it has been simmering on kind

720
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,679
of for a while, and people knew it was happening,

721
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,880
and they haven't done much, especially I mean, you know,

722
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,960
Democrats and Democratic politicians in Minnesota.

723
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: But like the two big picture issues that I think

724
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,239
are one, you're absolutely right that this brings out much

725
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:55,159
needed thought about our entire idea of immigration. There has

726
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:59,719
been this cultural force feeding of this idea that all

727
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,920
im mimagration is good, all immigration is equally good, or

728
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,159
some immigration is more equal than others. In other words,

729
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,400
much better to come from Somalia than South Africa, if

730
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,000
you're you know what I mean. Like, there's that thing

731
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,480
on the left that they say, and there's been this

732
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,599
thing where we tell ourselves, oh, yes, we all become

733
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:26,840
American when we get here, and that's through this beautiful

734
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,280
process where it's like a magical process. You just become

735
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,239
American when you come here and you get your papers.

736
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,760
And they don't realize how much of earlier immigration stories

737
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:44,480
did not involve welfare and involved a lot of effort

738
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:49,079
at assimilation and that doesn't happen anymore. These you know,

739
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,280
the Catholic charities, the Lutheran charities, which I think have

740
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,639
dropped Lutheran from their name because they're so not Lutheran anymore.

741
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,280
They are maybe they still do, I don't know, but

742
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,400
they just take money and then they set up little

743
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,159
mini somalias or mini whatevers where there's no assimilation taking place,

744
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,960
there's no effort to convert, like apparently that would be

745
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,840
a dirty word, to convert you ideologically or religiously, And

746
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,760
it's not surprising that we have this horrific situation. And

747
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,400
then I think that's combined with bureaucracies that are designed

748
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
for fraud and designed to make it difficult to catch fraud.

749
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,280
We talk about this all the time with voting systems,

750
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,559
and like the more complex they are, the harder it

751
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,320
is to even you know, there's no way you would

752
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,119
even know or be able to find out. Sometimes it's

753
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,480
a crime to try to find out whether a vote

754
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,559
is a legit vote from a legit person. And we

755
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,320
do that with all sorts of public good systems. And

756
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,519
so I'm worried about the breakdown of entire civil society

757
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,559
when you look at how these somalis do no work

758
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,960
and they get your money, and then you have to

759
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,639
work really hard and while the rules or your life

760
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:02,320
is destroyed.

761
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned before that when immigrants come here they

762
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,400
have to reject communism, which my parents I mentioned them

763
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,039
many times, but when they came here in the sixties

764
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:12,840
had to do. But they also had to had to

765
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,719
promise not to be a public charge. Public charge doctrine requires,

766
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,039
you know, immigrants to say they're not going to be

767
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,599
a burden on taxpayers. They're not going to receive public

768
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:26,119
assistance until they become citizens. But the reasoning for it

769
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,400
is because it's anesthetical to American principles to be a

770
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,199
dependent on the state, right, I mean. And it also

771
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,199
undermines the ability to assimilate. So the reasons we have

772
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,719
public charge doctrine are still in play after you become

773
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,840
a citizen. So if there's a group that's coming here

774
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,920
and eighty percent of them are relying on welfare, and

775
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,199
then there's a country nearby where people come here and

776
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,000
they don't rely on welfare, we should be limiting immigration

777
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,800
from one place and move you know, and bringing people

778
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,440
in who are going to be good citizens. Because I

779
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,880
do think, you know, I'm probably a bigger fan of

780
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,599
it immigration in general right now, then you are I'm

781
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:03,880
going to go out on a lim and say that,

782
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:10,320
but we have we need, we need, we need self dependency.

783
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,960
And if we're going to bring in people who are

784
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,639
have extraordinarily high levels of dependency, then something's wrong there.

785
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,159
And now they're involved in criminality. I mean, there's no

786
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:20,199
way to go. I'm not saying every somalis that way,

787
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,840
but the number is massive. And like you say, you

788
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,960
know in Europe, we had in Europe you have areas

789
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:28,639
around Paris, for instance, they are virtual ghettos filled with

790
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,159
Muslim newcomers. And then I've been newcomers, They've been around generationally.

791
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,159
Also in Germany you have Turkish families that came in

792
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,159
the fifties and they still live in the same ghetto

793
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,480
generationally and have no jobs. Like but we're going to

794
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,599
create that sort of dynamic here, it's going to be

795
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,840
terrible for this country in the long run. So we

796
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,320
should be avoiding that. And I think that that's really

797
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,920
the big issue here. Now. People tell me, like they

798
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,079
may someone made fun of me on Twitter saying, oh,

799
00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:00,400
you think other immigrant immigrant groups haven't engaged in criminality?

800
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,920
You know, they mean, like the mafia or something. Yeah,

801
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,679
of course they do. But by the way, the mafia

802
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,280
was took advantage of other immigrants. In essence, that's how

803
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
they really became power. But where is the Somali Joe

804
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,159
DiMaggio or Frenk Sinatra Firmi or anyone like they are?

805
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:24,480
Not there's not a Somali mafia. And then also another

806
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,440
kind of group of Somalis that are really doing well

807
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,159
in this country. Right, that's the problem I think. I mean,

808
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:30,559
I don't.

809
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: Know everything I know about Smali is like David Bowie's

810
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,360
wife with Somalian?

811
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: Was she not Ethiopian?

812
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: Wasn't she?

813
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, No, I

814
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,239
don't know.

815
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,199
Speaker 2: I'm on m Yeah. And then and then I was

816
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:56,719
thinking about like that that really America hating member of

817
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,079
Congress her she's also very pretty, So they might be

818
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,639
really like a people that are that have an over

819
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,599
representation in the criminal or fraud element, But they also

820
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:11,199
make lovely ladies, don't they.

821
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean remember that.

822
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: Alig episode about are doing immigration based on hotness of jobs?

823
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:23,559
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we're doing.

824
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, Okay, if you're really hot, you can stay.

825
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,000
But the ilhan Omar is evidence that being hot is

826
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,639
not sufficient for being a good American.

827
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,039
Speaker 1: Somalia is the most corrupt country on Earth. Right, you

828
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,599
can look at lists. It's literally will be number one

829
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:43,079
on almost every list. There's a reason for that. By

830
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,239
the way, I blame us too. We have not we

831
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,079
have no expectations anymore that people will come here and

832
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,079
learn civics and be American good Americans. Right, I mean

833
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,880
it's it's and I think it's mostly on the left,

834
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,800
but it is us.

835
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,639
Speaker 2: There's a lot on that and that video that was

836
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,440
really interesting by Nick Shirley. I watched all forty two

837
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,239
minutes of it after my kid brought it to my attention.

838
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,360
There's a woman in there, a white woman, who is

839
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,559
trying to defend and protect the fraudsters. And I'm like,

840
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:13,760
that's the that's one of the most evil people in

841
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,760
this entire video.

842
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the it's like the you know, I

843
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,239
keep hearing Mamdani became mayor because of immigrant groups. Probably

844
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,000
partly that's true, but there are tons of heritage Americans

845
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:34,000
living in Brooklyn, very expensive lives who are social supposedly socialists,

846
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,360
who make this happen and ruin are ruining the future

847
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,199
of immigrant groups and other poor people. In my view,

848
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,159
you know, we have to have an expectation. If we're

849
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,719
a country that believes in itself, it's perfectly fine to

850
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,599
have the expectation or the idea that we and our

851
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:56,039
culture is better than other cultures. That's why we don't

852
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,280
go to Somalia and they come here, and that we

853
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,880
should expect them to act like us.

854
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: You just said though Somalia is on the top of

855
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,800
the list for corruption and that that is a culture

856
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,800
that doesn't work with American culture. And I do think

857
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,320
that's what people are trying to say. Being American is

858
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,000
not just paperwork. It's about norms and ideas and cultures.

859
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,880
And there are certain groups and belief systems that are

860
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,800
incompatible with that. And that means that America isn't just

861
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:38,000
like an idea, but a really complicated thing about our

862
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,199
culture and norms and ideas. And I don't like when

863
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,760
people get like too rigid on either side of things,

864
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,639
because they are better because of ideas, but also because

865
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,960
of you know, who we are as a people.

866
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 1: I think people say that we're called we are a

867
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,519
country of ideas because we are definitely not a country

868
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,960
of blood and soil, meaning there are many different nests

869
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,679
city here. It's not like you have to be Hungarian

870
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,280
to live in Hungary. We have all kinds of people here.

871
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,880
That doesn't mean that everyone is compatible with being an American.

872
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,119
And obviously those are.

873
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: A country of soil. If you mean by that we have,

874
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:18,119
I mean we're I mean you have to be inside

875
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:19,400
of here to be American.

876
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but blood and soil to the concept

877
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480
meaning like Germans foreran you know, Germany for Germans and

878
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,159
Hungary for Hungarians. Yes, we are more flexible on those things.

879
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,239
Of course, I view it like we're a country of

880
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,360
ideas and principles with borders, you know, and we have

881
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,840
to protect those borders. By protecting those borders, we protect

882
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,920
the ideas inside. But I don't believe half this country

883
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,159
or Stucy really cares about those ideas.

884
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: You can't have those ideas when you're importing people who

885
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,519
don't culturally understand or have the capacity to, you know,

886
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:56,280
have self government. And like we are, we're not Christian

887
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,239
in terms of having an official religion of our country.

888
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:04,199
But what made this country was people being Christian and

889
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,840
the people within it being Christian. There is of course

890
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,480
a tolerance for people who aren't. But you can't import

891
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,679
the entirety of the Muslim world and expect that they're

892
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,920
going to have the same ideas about rule of law

893
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,840
that we have because of our particular philosophy Western civilization.

894
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,360
All that.

895
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: Right, No, I agree, it's clearly like Germany can become

896
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,280
a fascist state tomorrow, it's still Germany. If we become

897
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,559
a fascist state tomorrow or communist state, we're no longer

898
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,360
the United States of America or something else. That's all

899
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,280
I'm saying that it is based on princely When you

900
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,880
come to this country, you vowed uphold the constitution, right,

901
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,280
and I don't think these people.

902
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:52,199
Speaker 4: Are pay it off. Pay it off now. The Watchdout

903
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904
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,000
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905
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906
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908
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909
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910
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911
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912
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913
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914
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Speaker 1: All right, let's do something else. Culture.

915
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well you told me we were going to get

916
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,159
to talk about Cassidy Hutchinson. But familiar with that. Maybe

917
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:34,239
do you want to say it for next week or

918
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,760
do you want to do it?

919
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: Let's just do it. We say it for next week.

920
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:39,159
Speaker 2: I have a lot of culture.

921
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh good, well, why don't you start then?

922
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, I'll just say that on TV,

923
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,719
the most negative email I ever got was when I

924
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,239
said that I hadn't seen evidence that Jeffrey Epstein didn't

925
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,679
kill himself. And the most negative email I've ever gotten

926
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,119
on this podcast was when I said I didn't like

927
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,599
the animated version of the Grinch. I mean, I was

928
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:11,280
getting email this morning about it. Just people on the

929
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,960
street have been talking about it, people in my neighborhood.

930
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,440
They're really upset. I just want to say I read

931
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,800
them all and that's about all I have to say

932
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,199
about it.

933
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh did you say? You said that on the with

934
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:27,760
Mark episode? So when you say you don't like the

935
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,480
animated version of the Grinch. You mean the real like

936
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:34,440
the old one, old one, Yeah, like bars Karlak.

937
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: By the way, Mark was screaming at me. It was

938
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,400
so great.

939
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Even I don't know how. I love to be contrarian.

940
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,119
Even I don't know how you could not like that,

941
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,079
But go on, well, okay, and I'll.

942
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: Just say, like one of my friends who's or one

943
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,000
of my neighbors and friends, who's not even Christian? He

944
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,119
was because I said I didn't love the message when

945
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,880
it was confusing. He's like the message of forgiveness. And

946
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:03,199
you know, Christmas being real, even if the Grinch tries

947
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,679
to take away all the material goods, it's actually quite

948
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:13,039
Christian malling, It's like, okay, got it. Anyway, I just

949
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:14,679
wanted to respond to that. What have you watched?

950
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:20,599
Speaker 1: Oh me, I probably watched more, a lot more than this,

951
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,800
but this is what I remember. I wasn't writing it down,

952
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,039
so I watched. You might be interested in this. A

953
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documentary on Netflix called l Way.

954
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I want to see that? So bad?

955
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's pretty good?

956
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: Is it good?

957
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:40,679
Speaker 1: It's okay? Okay, I mean it's weird. Obviously, he's one

958
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,639
of the great quarterbacks ever. Probably, and but it's a

959
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:48,920
pretty straightforward story. You know, you get picked high, kind

960
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,440
of struggle a bit, you win some Super Bowls, finally

961
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:57,039
you retire. It seems like, you know, a guy obsessed

962
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,440
with football, and I think, actually there's some interesting stuff

963
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,719
about how that affect that his life is real, you know,

964
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,280
his everyday life and stuff. So I watch it.

965
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 2: For a long period of time. Yeah, I don't like that,

966
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,400
But other than that, I really like John Elway kind

967
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,639
of a childhood hero of mine. And Broncos are back

968
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,920
on top right now and kind of with one of

969
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,320
these like the quarterback that we have is not, you know,

970
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,400
considered one of the greats, but he keeps on pulling

971
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,360
victories out of nowhere and we are a number one seed.

972
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,039
Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah, I remember I wasn't there, didn't l Way

973
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,519
of a restaurant like in Cherry Creek or something. Remember

974
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:37,559
there was a big Lways.

975
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you go into the Denver Airport terminal,

976
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,400
the second terminal or B terminal, I think it's right there.

977
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:45,519
Speaker 1: And I think he owned car dealerships too when I

978
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:45,920
was there.

979
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: But remember, yeah, okay, so I watched a bunch of movies.

980
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,679
I have been sick. You might hear that in my voice,

981
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,199
and that always decreases my ability to work late in tonight.

982
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:04,000
But I watched it movie called Amos and Andrew. Have

983
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:04,639
you seen that?

984
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: No?

985
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: I mean it was really interesting. What You're nineteen ninety

986
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:16,760
three and it stars like a petty criminal named.

987
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: I got to ask you something. Yeah, so we've came

988
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,719
out in nineteen ninety three. It says here, why how

989
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,679
do you like? How do you pick the movies? You will?

990
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't pick any movies. My husband picks all movies. Okay,

991
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,599
the secrets to our happy marriage. I just let him

992
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:38,840
guide the way. But yeah, so it's a it's I thought,

993
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,079
kind of like an interesting discussion. It's about a wealthy

994
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,599
black academic name and he's played by Samuel L. Jackson

995
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,800
and then a petty criminal nick Nick Cage. And then

996
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,880
the racism, like the casual racism of elite white lefties,

997
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:02,920
and then it rise to do a lot, is what

998
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,519
I will say. And it's not entirely successful, but it's

999
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:11,239
really interesting, I thought, and I would I would still

1000
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:17,159
probably recommend it, Okay. He also wrote the screenplay for

1001
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,920
something Wild.

1002
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh Jonathan Demi movie or whatever, it was. Uh wasn't

1003
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:28,840
there a movie recently with Jeffrey Wright where it was

1004
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,559
had a similar kind of plot line? Do you remember

1005
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:31,000
that movie?

1006
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,519
Speaker 2: I mean I remember that it came Americans something.

1007
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, American fiction.

1008
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, I have more. Yeah. I saw the

1009
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,760
ref which I do believe I'd seen before but didn't love.

1010
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,280
But this time I totally loved it. I thought it

1011
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,079
was fantastic.

1012
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's when the Kennleary, Kevin Spacey, Judy Davis who

1013
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,360
love Oh yeah.

1014
00:57:55,159 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: She's fantastic. And I was telling Mark that I'm sad

1015
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:08,559
about Kevin Spacey's problems with harassment of younger men because

1016
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,079
he's really a fantastic actor.

1017
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: He really is.

1018
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:14,239
Speaker 2: Then Mark was like, you know, like on the scale

1019
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,519
of me too, wasn't rape?

1020
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,199
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean a lot of

1021
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,880
how can I say this isn't it? Do we know

1022
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:25,760
for sure when he did or didn't do? Like I

1023
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,599
don't I didn't follow it that closely, but I'll just.

1024
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,559
Speaker 2: Say one of my friends, handsome when he was a

1025
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,119
handsome young man, did get groped by Kevin Spacey at

1026
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:41,280
a Bloomberg party after the What is that like? Awful

1027
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,239
nerd prom thing. Oh, the White House Correspondence Dinner and

1028
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,480
Bloomberg used to throw these amazing parties which I have

1029
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,440
crazy stories from and that's one of the crazy stories. Okay.

1030
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:59,119
I also watched Crazy Rich Asians. Okay, loved it. Thought

1031
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:03,320
it was fantastic, like very fun. Have you seen it? No,

1032
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,440
it was very popular, so.

1033
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: I know it didn't look like something I would enjoy,

1034
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,280
but maybe I'll watch it.

1035
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,679
Speaker 2: I was just well done in like every Asian is

1036
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,199
in the film, and I should.

1037
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 1: I just want to say, it's not because it's Asian

1038
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,559
theme that I can watch it. It is because it

1039
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:24,639
just didn't seem like it had this kind of subject

1040
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,519
matter that would intrigue me.

1041
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,559
Speaker 2: Okay. And then I think my final one is One

1042
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:34,039
False Move, which came out in the early nineties. I

1043
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,800
think it was written by Billy Bob Thornton and he's

1044
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,960
also in the movie.

1045
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,599
Speaker 1: And oh I know this movie. The guy who passed

1046
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,639
away is in it. Bill Paxon or whatever. Pakistan.

1047
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: I love him so much, and I mean, he's he's

1048
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,559
big in this.

1049
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I saw this in the movie theater, by the way,

1050
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,000
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I remember liking it quite a bit.

1051
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was directed by Carl Franklin.

1052
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, just remember snow, and there's lot of snow

1053
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:02,320
in this movie. Is that this one? Anyway?

1054
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: There's no there's no snow.

1055
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: All right. I must have been confused.

1056
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,679
Speaker 2: Are you thinking of a Simple Plan? Yes, okay, don't

1057
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:11,840
I have the same people in it? I love A

1058
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,440
Simple Plan. That's one of my favorite movies. But No. One.

1059
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,480
False Move is about violent drug criminals. Like these two

1060
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,480
guys who are violent drug criminals, and Billy Bob is

1061
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:25,960
dating this girl and she kind of gets you know,

1062
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,239
she's kind of an accomplice to a horrific crime. And

1063
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,840
then they're on the run and it's about that and

1064
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,239
the efforts to catch him. But it's also about race

1065
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,119
in really interesting ways. And I really I keep on

1066
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:44,440
thinking about it. That's my metric for you know.

1067
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: A Simple Plan also had Bill Paxton and Billy Bob

1068
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:48,559
Thornton in it.

1069
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: Well maybe what year was that made?

1070
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: Eight?

1071
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe they met on this other move. Like

1072
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,519
this is not the finest screenplay I've ever countered, but

1073
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:06,239
it was still worthwhile and Billy Bob is terrifying in it. Okay,

1074
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:11,039
what about you, David? About two weeks of probably nothing

1075
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,679
but watching l Way documentaries.

1076
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: Here's what I remember. I watched the Phoenician scheme.

1077
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,199
Speaker 2: Oh what'd you think? I kind of like used to

1078
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,280
love that dude and then I got tired of him.

1079
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: I actually thought this was better than the last few

1080
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360
movies he did, and I think I think it's better

1081
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,840
because Benicio del Toro is so funny. I didn't like

1082
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,599
Asteroid City. Was it called very much? This one? I liked. Okay,

1083
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:45,800
So the woman who stars in it is Mia Threepoulton,

1084
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:50,840
and that is a daughter of Kate Winslet, I found out,

1085
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:55,480
So I feel old. Then I watched too old fashioned

1086
01:01:56,639 --> 01:02:01,280
like action, you know, testosterone fu oled movies F one

1087
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,239
with Brad Pitt.

1088
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,079
Speaker 2: I loved F One, Did you not?

1089
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I didn't think. I didn't think I would.

1090
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,079
I did kind of annoyed that Brad pitticks his shirt off.

1091
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:17,599
He's sixty over sixty and he's just like ripped, and

1092
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:21,000
I'm like, it's just annoying. It's good looking, fella.

1093
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,519
Speaker 2: I loved how simple that movie was. It was literally

1094
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:27,679
like we're just gonna race cars. It's a car similar

1095
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,920
like Days of Thunder, barely a plot, and I loved

1096
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:33,199
every minute of it. And then also every time I

1097
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:34,840
get behind the wheel now I'm like root.

1098
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: Room, Yeah it's I see they're making a sequel. I

1099
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,639
think it's one of the highest grossing quote unquote sports

1100
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:47,440
movies ever made, or maybe the highest grossing. So it

1101
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:50,800
just gives you what you want. And speaking of lack

1102
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,800
of plots, here's the thing. I want to preface this.

1103
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:57,360
There are movies that have no plot, that have a

1104
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,840
lot of wow waving to make you think there's a

1105
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,119
complex plot, but there's nothing. And that is the last

1106
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,119
mission impossible movie. I just watched like seven or eight

1107
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:11,000
or whatever it is. I thought it was so boring

1108
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:14,199
and bad. I mean, it really has this kind of

1109
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,719
AI story going, but it's really just a chase and

1110
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,159
they end up on a biplane, like fighting on a byplane,

1111
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,239
like Raiders of the Lost Art. But you know, it

1112
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,039
was just I don't know. I think Tom Cruise has

1113
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,599
moved on, and I think you should. Those movies have

1114
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,079
gotten really boring. But that's what I remember. But I

1115
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,679
think there's more and I will save them for next

1116
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:38,599
week and we can talk about some TV that I've

1117
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:43,079
been watching. Yeah, Okay, well, it's nice to be back.

1118
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:47,440
I hope if anyone has any criticisms of our cultural

1119
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:50,199
choices that can email us at radio at the Federalist

1120
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,760
dot com. We'd love to hear from you, and we'll

1121
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,880
be back next week. Until them be lovers of freedom

1122
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,920
and anxious for defray.

1123
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 4: A much day.

1124
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:02,679
Speaker 2: I think.

1125
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: Why hides turn top of the both side down