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Speaker 1: Hey guys, thank you for tuning in to the second

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episode of a Strange Thing podcast, which.

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Speaker 2: Is also part two of our Bovine mudulation.

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Speaker 1: Or cattle mutilation episode. Yeah, I'm Austin and I'm Mike,

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and we're your hosts, and you're lucky that we're your

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hosts because we're awesome. Well maybe not. I don't know

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about all that.

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Speaker 2: It's debatable. Well, last time we started the conversation about

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cattle mutilations and we also talked a little bit about

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how the show came to be, and then we barely

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scratched the service on what cattle mulations are. We wanted

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to start this program with a shout out to shout

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out to Katie Colbert, Katie Cooper.

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Speaker 1: She brought up some good questions for.

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Speaker 2: Us, and she rated us and gave us a review.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is it's very important if you feel compelled

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to do so, feel free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what were her questions?

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Speaker 1: First question was what happened to the Volkswagen thing.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned the Volkswagen thing for those of you who

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didn't hear the first podcast was our inspiration for starting

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a Strange Thing podcast way back in the day. Well, Katie,

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we sold it.

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Speaker 1: We sold it, but we kind of traded it.

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Speaker 2: We kind of swapped it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we swap it for a nice little boat?

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A nice little boat we've used way more than we

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ever used the thing. That's right.

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Speaker 2: The thing as fun as it was and as cool

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as it was as a piece of German almost at

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German Americana, but that doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Germanic Ona, Germanica ding dong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was a very cool machine. They're very utilitarian,

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they're kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: They're mechanical, but they're not comfy easy to drive or pleasant,

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and they rattle a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's loud, but it was fun and we took

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it out on some adventures. Is there's some pictures on

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our website for those that want to see it. It

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actually did exist, and we had a profidential moment where

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we basically found a lady who needed some money and

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had a boat, and I sold the thing and got

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some cash. In that very same day that I got

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the cash, I also got a note from this lady

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that her husband had been injured in Alaska, and she said, hey,

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i'll sell it for this amount of money if you'll

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come and get it today. So the day I sold

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the Volkswagen thing. I got in the car after I

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went to the bank and re got the money that

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I just deposited from selling the thing, and I drove

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up to Garden Valley, Idaho and picked up the boat.

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Speaker 1: Which are a weird serendipitous occasion. Yeah, so we.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have the thing, but we had another thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a different kind of thing, a lotter thing.

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But it wasn't a finm and wagon.

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Speaker 2: No, which was Koubelwagen was an amphibious version of the

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Type one eighty one thing.

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Speaker 1: Either way, Katie's other question was, oh, yeah, Katie said

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the question.

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Speaker 2: See, we're rabbit hole kind of people. Yeah, rabbit trail.

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Speaker 1: Rabbit trails in a lot of holes, but we explore

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a lot of rabbits.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get in the rabbit hole today.

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Speaker 1: Katie's other question was what did we do in shosh

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when we went down there? Just the idea or did

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we do a little bit more?

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Speaker 3: In every Kong settles over the countryside, everyone had retired

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for the evening, including the two family dawn He's a

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sleeve on the front porch and the nearby the pasture

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cattle grazed restlessly as a brilliant white light floats above

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the hillsides and descend is over. The animalies, nothing, movies,

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and not a sound is heard. A single steer is

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selected from the group, bawling in fear as it is

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lifted high into the air of the Within minutes, the

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animal has been dissected alive with the expertise of a

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surgeon and I and I tongue, rectum, and sexual organs removed,

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and its body drained of blood as if sucked dry

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by a vampire. Moments later, the lifeless creature is air

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dropped in the field. The following day, the rancher discussis

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the mutilated carcass in the field, examines it and finds

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there are no tracks around the animal to indicate how

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or what killed it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's what happened. When we decided to make

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the podcast. I wanted to do it on cattle mutilations

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because going way way back in like the early nineteen seventies,

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there were a breakout of cattle mutilations in southern Idaho,

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and I remembered it all through my life. So I

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got on my trustee computer and I searched for anything

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having to do with cattle mutilations in Idaho. I thought

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that was a good place to start. And one of

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the first things that came up was an excerpt from

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a book. Now, the book was called Angels, Aliens and Prophecy,

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The Connection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it.

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Speaker 2: Was an excerpt from chapter five of that book. And

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that chapter was called The Three Seas, Cattle Mutilations, Chimp trails,

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and crop circles.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Three Seas.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's four.

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Speaker 2: No, crop circles is one item, even though there's two

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seas in it. Four season one m Anyway, the chapter

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is called the Three Seas and the book was written

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by Betsy Lewis. Now, as you heard in that Strange

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the excerpt that leads into this chapter. Now, the interesting

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thing about Betsy Lewis, the author of this book, is

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that Betsy Lewis worked for a southern Idaho television station

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in the late nineteen seventies and while she was there,

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there was a call placed by a rancher from Shoshone

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into the state that said he had a strange cow

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death and he wanted somebody to come out and investigate

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what happened news, Yeah, new segment on it, right, So

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two reporters went over there. One was a cameraman that

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was an anchor person, and they went over and they

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interviewed the guy and they took video of this mutilated

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calf in Shoshown. And when they came back, Betsy Lewis,

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who was working at the station, talked to them and

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the anchorwoman was really wigged out. She was really shaken up,

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and that got Betsy Lewis kind of into this mode

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of investigating. Also in that same book, she mentions a

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lady who started an investigation. Her name was Linda Moulton Howe,

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and we talked about her a little bit in the

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first podcast. She is the mother of cattle mutilations. I

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call her mother MoU, Mother MoU so Mother MoU has

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been researching these kind of things for well since the

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mid nineteen seventies. So Linda Multen Howe has a website

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that chronicles and has lots of information on cattle mutilation,

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stretching all the way back to the nineteen seventies and

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even earlier. So, I mean, this is stuff's been going

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on for long time. Betsy Lewis mentioned her so I

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googled Linda Moulton Howe, and that got me on a

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different divergent track, and I started getting into the weeds

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of cattle mulations, and then it ran even deeper until

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the name Don Ecker came up. Don Ecker and this

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is something that I didn't tell you about human mutilations.

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Speaker 1: What.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on my search I ran into this article by

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Don Ecker, who turns out to be a very well

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known kind of paranormal investigator. He is a radio host

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right now for Dark Matters Radio. It's a late night

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radio program. Kind of weird, maybe some of our listeners

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listen to it, don't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but of a George Norrie kind of.

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Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, yeah, kind of that. This guy has an

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interest in history. He was military guy. He's a skeptic.

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He's not, like, you know, totally sold out on the

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idea of ay and UFOs and all that kind of stuff.

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Weird stuff, but he also brings a fresh eye. So

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one of the first things that he talks about was

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a story of a human mutilation that took place right

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outside of shows shown in the bliss Jerome area there

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within probably twenty square miles of each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I heard that story, I was like, ooh, we

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got to go to show showing was.

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Speaker 1: It mutilated like the cows were like the same way.

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Speaker 2: Or yes, that's the fascinating thing. So that story, when

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I started reading, was as follows. Two hunters are out

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walking in a plane or field somewhere. Now, if you're

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not familiar with that area, the terrain is very volcanic,

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but also a lot of sagebrush thistles. You know, it's

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rough terrain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a desert.

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Speaker 2: It's a desert and very sindery. The rocks are you know,

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they're sharp and edgy. You wouldn't want to walk around barefoot.

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So these two hunters are walking through this kind of

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terrain and lo and behold in front of them, naked,

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almost as a jbird is a male body. It's laying

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on the ground. It's got underwear on. Now I'm not

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sure where the underwear were. They could have been around

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his knees or ankles, not sure. But when they looked

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at it, they could tell that this person had been mutilated.

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His genitals had been cut off, he'd been castrated and emasculated.

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So all the wedding tackle Algonda Total Kendall kindled it

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totally kindled him.

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Speaker 1: I feel funny laughing about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So anyway, this body's laying out there, they

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see that, and then they see that the guy's face

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is wrong. They look at it and his lips have

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been systematically removed, like with a sharp instrument. It wasn't

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like torn. It was like you know, mag Heiser, Ravens

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or something came in there and like picked his face

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as like cut. It was cut, and his eyes were there.

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his lips were cut out, his genitals were removed. And

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here's the strange thing. He's out in the middle of nowhere.

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How did you get there? There's no marks anywhere around

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the body, like to say that somebody carried off, dropped

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him off of a horse or in the back of

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a you know, a truck or something. I don't know

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if they had you know, razors or side by sides

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Speaker 1: I think they were called geiters there for Farman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Farman implements. No tracks on anything out there. And

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when they looked at the bottom of his feet, they

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were pristine.

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Speaker 1: So if he had been walking.

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Speaker 2: Around for any amount of time, he would have had thistles, thorns, Yes,

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scraped up and torn, shredded, at least dirty, but the

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bottom of his feet were fine. So I mean that

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was an indicator that this guy had been dropped off out.

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Speaker 1: There crazy, But there were no tracks.

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Speaker 2: Theyended up finding his belongings about a mile away, and

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they have no idea how he got into.

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Speaker 1: The where it was, how he got torn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a mile, you think about a mile is a

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long ways away.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't lock a mile in issues because he didn't

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have any shoes. Yeah, you couldn't do that.

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Speaker 2: But and this all took place in like nineteen seventy nine.

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This was a year after, if we want to go chronologically,

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this was a year after Betsy Lewis heard about the

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cattle mutilation that took place in shows shown from the

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TV station in Twin Falls.

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Speaker 1: Kind of like a weird emergence of all these mutilations

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and then this drop a lot of human mutilation really

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kind of sets the tone of being a little more nefarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, and let's set the stage of what's going

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on around this area. So about that time, Linda Moulton

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Howe's doing her investigations on cattle mulations all over the Midwest,

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all over the West, heck, all over the United States

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and even in South America. And she in that time

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is producing this documentary on cattle mulations. It's called a

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Strange Harvest. Most of those things were like in Wyoming, Colorado,

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and most.

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Speaker 1: Of Linna Moulton House. Yeah, stuff isn't okay.

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Speaker 2: Right, but this is going on in central Idaho, southern Idaho.

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All that stuff together when I was doing the research,

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is like, okay, this is the perfect place to go

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and kick off this investigation.

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Speaker 1: On the side of a dead kendall with no lips.

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So while we're in Shoshone, we uh we did our ideals,

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which was awesome. It was pretty fun. It was a

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little heavy on the board. Yeah, you poured it at

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inebriation thing because we are very responsible drinkers. Yes, our

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beer or a little bit of whiskey. But we do

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not want to condone getting drunk and driving and things

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like that. That's bad.

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Speaker 1: No, no, okay. So we went to the Manhattan Cafe,

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which is just this little kind of diner cafe in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so paint that picture, so you've got Main Street

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like downtown shoe show. The street is actually divided in half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's weird. It's super weird. It's too weird.

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Speaker 2: So Manhattan Cafe is on the would be the south side.

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Speaker 1: So we go in there just to get some food.

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I ordered some finger steaks. I think Dad got the prime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing the thing about cattle mulation.

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Speaker 1: Now we got to bring the beefe. Yeah, beef, it's

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what's for dinner. It was good anyway. Our waitress, you know,

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we kind of like feel out the area. Everybody's pretty

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nice and talkative. So we asked her, have you ever

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heard anything about these cattle mutilations? And of course she

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Speaker 2: Story, which is a little bit tangent, but it still fits.

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Speaker 1: It still fits, and I mean, it's all about people's stories, right,

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that's right. Yeah, that's a kind of mutilation. It was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Because she had a story of the guy three booths

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down had a story, but he.

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maybe he'd been threatened by the government and was like

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out the door, and then black came to scare them.

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four year old land with a walker. Yeah, it took

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him like three.

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Speaker 1: Minutes to get out the door, but he was moving

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as fast as he good. Anyway, that's sad. So she

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Speaker 2: Because well we had we had kind of two different perspectives.

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topic that maybe someday we would do about on a

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strange thing. And it was about her as a high

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schooler having a crush on a guy, going out with

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a boyfriend to out somewhere out in the country to

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see this judge's estate, a prominent judge of that area,

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and she's a state and stumbles across a scene with

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definite nefairis implications. She stumbles upon this scene of all

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these guys around the bonfire, wearing robes and doing weird

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occultic ritualistic kind of things, speaking like gibberish.

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Speaker 1: And what do they have in their possession? They have

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possession of a.

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Speaker 2: Cow, a young cow. Yeah, it could have been a bowl,

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could have been a cow. She didn't know it was

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a cow. Yeah, And as far as I heard, I

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didn't hear that she saw them sacrifice it or kill it, right,

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But she was there. It was there, and it was

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gonna go down crazy. Yes, we branded this waitress that

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was telling this story rock Lady.

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Speaker 1: We called her rock Lady because she had a bunch

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of like geodes.

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Speaker 2: And cool rocks in the back of her international truck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the back of her international scout. It was

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a scout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool in really good shape.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice. It was She also ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Hollow Earth because she gets a lot of her rocks

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and geodes from caves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bigfoot comes out and handsome to her, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But she did say that there's like a whole world

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Speaker 1: It'd be cool to check out. That would belunking episode.

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Speaker 2: That's another story. See, we got like three stories out

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of this one thing, just from the Manhattan Cafe in

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the show shown Idaho, the only cafe really in town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so I understood that story a little bit different.

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Tell me where she was with They were kind of

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like walking through I For some reason, in my head,

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I pictured like trees everywhere. I don't know why, because

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it's shown southern I.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, there are areas trees, but that's why I

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think it was maybe even somewhere close by, but not

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in john.

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Speaker 1: Right anyway, But anyway, in my head, I picture her

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walking up on three guys for some reason. Three three

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in my head, I pictured a small group and that

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they had already killed the cow. Oh, and then she

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made almost a confrontation with the person she recognized as

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this judge.

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Speaker 2: Well, because she did say that she felt like the

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judge was kind of about to get her natur and

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that's part of the reason why she fled the area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah crazy, Yeah, But.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the judge died, she came back and started serving

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red meat to us.

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Speaker 1: That was great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was It was a very interesting conversation

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very strange, very fun.

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Speaker 1: Not what we expected. No, we laughed so hard. Yeah,

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that was awesome. And part of the reason we laughed

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was because right after the Manhattan Cafe, well, she tells us.

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Speaker 2: She says, well, you know, if you really want to

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know a caval relations, go talk to the bartender across

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the street at the Iron Horse Saloon.

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Speaker 1: The Iron Horse Saloon ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: So you had to walk across one side of the street,

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across four railroad tracks, across the other side of the street,

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and then you walk straight into the doors you have

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the Iron Horse Saloon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we walk in there and it's pretty much dead. Yeah,

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there's like, you know, half naked paintings, paintings and stuff

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Speaker 2: I was wondering what you were going with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeh.

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Speaker 2: In the back they were like that was weird. There's

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like like homemade somebody painted these like half naked.

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Speaker 1: Were they celebrities or like maybe like beer ladies, like

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you know, Bud Lighthous like the Oh yeah, I don't know,

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but they were old.

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Speaker 2: They were probably what like from the sixties, seventies, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell because they were paintings don't age, like,

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no normal people.

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Speaker 2: Well, and if they don't have clothes, how do you

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tell what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What year they're in? Decade?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So that was like on the back wall this

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place by the bathrooms, and then there was this long

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bar and the way the bartender was like this ex military,

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toughy lady, very cool though. She was really super nice

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and very patient because in front of her and to

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my side was like this drunk ex con who was

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probably what five five yeah maybe I don't know, A

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little short.

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Speaker 1: Guy and he was he was rambling.

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Speaker 2: He was three sheets to the wind, and he was

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telling us all kinds of crazy stories.

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Speaker 4: Stories about grabbing cops by the genitals and flipping them

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straight over his shoulder because they.

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Speaker 1: Touched his mama.

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Speaker 2: Mama, they're from crowd, their mama, They're gonna die.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was crazy. He was nuts.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was from Utah.

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Speaker 1: That explains a lot. So we've been there. We have

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more stories about Utah.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, we're sitting there, this guy's going off

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and the next thing you know, Austin leaves me sitting

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there with this guy who's just yabbering on and on

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and I'm trying to pull the conversation towards you know,

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have you seen any cattle mulations?

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Speaker 1: And he's like no.

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Speaker 2: But one time me and my wife rode in a

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car sitting there watching, we saw these train lights that

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were moving in all weird directions.

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Speaker 4: And I've seen a lot of airplanes. I was in

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the Air Force. I've been on so many airport bass

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I'd know an airplane or a helicopter. It ain no,

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it wouldn't, it wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: No one of them know.

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Speaker 2: How, no how, And believe us, we are talking a

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lot more legibly than he was. He was, he was,

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he was out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. And so so I walked down

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the end of the bar. There's these two guys, super

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cool guys. But one of them I just could see

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he knew everything. He seemed like maybe kind of a

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Native American fella, and he had like a lazy eye.

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Maybe he'd got in a fight with a badger or something.

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You know, he looked super cool, and I thought for

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sure he'd be like.

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Speaker 2: Did he No, he didn't, he didn't know, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He looked at me like, you idiot, damn millennial snowflake,

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get out of here alien hippie, shave your beard. Oh no,

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they were They were super cool. They have any information,

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not really, they just getn't talked and laughing.

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Speaker 2: Is that the guy that said, you know, you should

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check out over it bliss.

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Speaker 1: They have some name of a lady. We never checked

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the taller, not bigger. They were both in really good shape.

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Probably beat me up. Yeah he was real tall, and

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yeah he mentioned checking out some other place. But I

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was so out of my element in there, man, I

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know where am.

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Speaker 2: We kind of got out of there and like we

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felt like we just like landed in Twin Peaks or

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some some weird.

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Speaker 1: TV fake world because it didn't seem real.

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Speaker 2: And then we giggled all the way back to the car,

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and we giggled all the way all the way home

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until my head hurts so bad, our cheeks hurt, and

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we're laughing. I was getting muscle cramps in the back

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of my Oh.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

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Speaker 2: And then by the time we got here we almost

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went into postpartum depression because it was like, oh, the

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fund's over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't there again. I'm going to go back

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there and get some some of that presure and maybe

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have some more detailed stories from that real bar, from them,

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from the real bartender, and from the rock lady.

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Speaker 2: I would really like to get her in a cave.

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That could not sound right.

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Speaker 1: I would really like to go with her to a

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k No, that didn't sound right.

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Speaker 2: I'd really like it if you and I could go

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with her to see the entrance to the underworld.

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Speaker 1: How about that? That would be more fun entrance to the underworld.

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I'd like to plunge her dungeon anytime.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get out of this conversation really quick.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, anyway she's shown was a blast, had a

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great time, didn't learn a whole lot, We heard some

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great stories, and it was a great way to kick

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off our fun, light hearted podcast. It was.

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Speaker 2: So that's a really long explanation.

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Speaker 1: Katie, but it kind of kicks off the story.

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Speaker 2: It kind of kicks off the next sequence. So we're

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going to take a quick hope you listen to this

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message and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys.

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Speaker 2: So this is Mike and Austin and we are out

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in the wilderness with a bottle scotch by the campfire.

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Speaker 1: Taking it easy. What time is it?

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Speaker 2: Ten o'clock?

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Speaker 1: Ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: It is ten o five, ten oh five. We are

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up in the mountains. We've been hunting all day. We

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are thinking about something pretty cool, which is a podcast

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that we're going to do in the New Yar future.

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An episode of a podcast, an episode of a podcast

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called A Strange Thing in the Woods.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of strange things people see when they're

476
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like hunting or hiking or fishing, and you hear weird

477
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stories a once in.

478
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Speaker 2: A while you do out in the woods, you hear

479
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a lot of weird things, and part of it's probably

480
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somewhat mental, because like right now, we've got a full moon.

481
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Yes it's Friday, the thirteenth, September thirteenth, twenty nineen and

482
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it's a full moon and a Friday and a Friday.

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Speaker 1: How strange is that. That's a little weird, but it

484
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is weird. We're out in the woods and like what

485
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all you can see is silhouettes of trees between like

486
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the streaks of bright moonlight. It's crazy and that would

487
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cause your mind to maybe wander a little bit.

488
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Speaker 2: And we're sitting around a campfire, you could maybe hear it.

489
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And it's very dark except for the sky is going

490
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to be very light when the moon comes up.

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Speaker 1: It is pretty cool up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we wanted to invite you to share your stories

493
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of strange things that you've experienced while you're out in

494
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the woods or out camping or hiking or boning, whatever

495
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,640
it is, outdoors doing something and something strange happens. We

496
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want to hear about it. And if we use your story,

497
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we'll give you kudos, accolades.

498
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Speaker 1: What else will we get? Maybe send a little swag

499
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their way, a little swag, little free stuff swag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a cool episode. I'm looking

501
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forward to what we're going to use it between our

502
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episode about cattle mutilations and our next episode, which I'm

503
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not sure what will be. Probably paranormal activity in strange locations. Broad.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see you.

505
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very broad.

506
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Speaker 1: I know your plants.

507
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Very broad.

508
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Speaker 1: We have an inside tip. It's a.

509
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Speaker 2: A goose story or strange thing happening in a brewery

510
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of all places.

511
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Speaker 1: There may be some alterior motives on.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully we'll get free beer if we go there,

513
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but I kind.

514
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Speaker 1: Of doubt it.

515
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Speaker 2: I don't we know a guy, we know a guy,

516
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we know a guy, and anyway, weird things are happening

517
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at that place, but that will be later after the

518
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strange things in the woods.

519
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Speaker 1: So anyway, we just want to invite.

520
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Speaker 2: You to share your story with us. If you go

521
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480
on our website, there's a link there you can share

522
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,519
your story. Don't be afraid, just do it.

523
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: Now, let's let's really get into it. Let's quit talking

524
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about ourselves, and let's talk about some crazy stories. So

525
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this is.

526
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Speaker 2: Where maybe the fun and lighthearted might not get quite

527
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,279
so fun and lighthearted, because you know, this conversation about

528
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,640
cattle emulation sounded really kind of cool and fun and

529
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giddy and weird and ah ha, it's gonna be a

530
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big funny thing. Well you start investigating and you start

531
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,799
looking at some of these stories and it gets a

532
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:32,039
little creepy and scary and a little overwhelming, and you know,

533
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,799
we're gonna laugh about it, make fun of it. But

534
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I'm just saying, if you're a little bit lighthearted and squeamish,

535
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,599
I'm gonna say, like I always say, listen to us anyway,

536
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
and then go talk to your counselor if you can't handle.

537
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: It, listen to it with your counselor yeah, get her involved.

538
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,680
To do it him her and get her to like

539
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,839
it on Facebook. Get him her to like it on Facebook.

540
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Speaker 2: And subscribe on your favorite podcasting.

541
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Speaker 1: App and give us a five star review.

542
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Speaker 2: Since our initial podcast, we are now on all of

543
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the major podcasting applications now. So if you can't find

544
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us on your favorite app, go to our website astrangething

545
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dot com. Go to episodes, and under our episodes you'll

546
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see you can click on stitch your iTunes and Google Play.

547
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,759
Now that that plugs out of the way, let's let's

548
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,640
start getting into some actual incidents. Let's start with the

549
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,960
obvious thing. A lot of cows die by natural deaths, right.

550
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Speaker 1: And we covered that in the first episode.

551
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: Struck by lightning, eat bad food, fall off, hit by cars, predators.

552
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that stuff, disease norms.

553
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,839
Speaker 2: So all of those were sliding off the table. Yeah,

554
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,480
we're gonna start small. We're gonna go a little bigger

555
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,200
and weirder. Okay, chrescendo, We're gonna crescendo them, crescendo the cattle.

556
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So let's start with the South Hills over like the

557
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last twenty five years. Now, the South Hills are right

558
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outside of Twin Falls, Kimberly, Hanson.

559
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Speaker 1: Where we grew up.

560
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Speaker 2: Where we grew up, about twenty miles up there. I've

561
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talked to the range cops from the Twin Foles County

562
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Sheriff's Department, and they have plenty of stories of people

563
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,960
for whatever reason just being stupid or the hoodlums or

564
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,000
vandals or whatever are desperate or poachers, you know, and

565
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they go out and they shoot an animal. They might

566
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even like cut off a chunk. They might go all

567
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rushing on it and cut a chunk, yes, and take

568
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it home and try to eat it for dinner. And

569
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those are generally sloppy kind of things where you know,

570
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they find a bullet hole or whatever with guilt, yeah,

571
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and they're you know, they got a nice big chunk

572
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cut off the meat areas yea, the place where.

573
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Speaker 1: People miss ye right, cool.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that happens periodically, so it's pretty obvious what

575
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those things are. A few cases of point of that.

576
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And like in Emmett, Idaho, which is northeast of or

577
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northwest of Boise, not eastern Idaho, Western Idaho, in twenty ten,

578
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random Span was called to a ranch and there were

579
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three calves that had been shot with a small caliber

580
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rifle like a twenty two. Yeah, yep, just like and

581
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you know, none of them were like nothing was done

582
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with them. They were just shot. Like somebody's out.

583
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Speaker 1: There just being a dick clinking.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just maybe didn't get a deer. So they

585
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came down and shot a couple few cows in the

586
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head with the twenty two. So anyway, their dad laying there.

587
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So the guy goes out and investigates, and then the

588
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next day the brand inspectors called back out because there's

589
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another dead cow. So he's thinking, oh, I'm gonna go

590
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back out there. Another stupid poacher.

591
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Speaker 1: Same thing as.

592
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Speaker 2: Last Yeah, somebody vandalizing this guy's property and shot another cow.

593
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But he gets out there. This one's a little different.

594
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This one was a cow, not a calf, was fully

595
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grown and its hind legs and shoulders were cut off

596
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and for some reason, the lungs were removed and the

597
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forehead was partly skinned.

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Speaker 1: That's odd.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. There's a hinter of something nefarious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the like the shoulders and legs, you could

601
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just see that's meat, right, That's where.

602
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Speaker 2: You roast comes from. As far as I know that,

603
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people don't eat lungs.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they typically do.

605
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Speaker 2: So, like if I guess if you cut off the shoulder,

606
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maybe you have visibility of the lungs in there, and

607
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maybe they just thought, oh, let's grab one of those big.

608
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Speaker 1: Fun I don't know. Then the forehead skin.

609
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like a you know, a cow scalp.

610
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I mean, yeah, maybe they were gonna skin it. Maybe

611
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they got interrupted.

612
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's just kind of odd.

613
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Speaker 2: So this like is a a tailtale sign of something

614
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:45,359
a little bit more weird. Now, three days later, in

615
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the same location in Emma, Idaho, another cow was shot

616
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in the face. And this one had broken jaws and

617
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we had a calf. It couldn't feed the calf it

618
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was because it couldn't eat or drink and they had

619
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to put the cow down. But anyway, there was that

620
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rancher in the Ranchers Association in mit, Idaho got together

621
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and they raised a three thousand dollars reward to.

622
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Speaker 1: Freak out who's doing this?

623
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Speaker 2: You know, they dumb kid or they culled, you know what.

624
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What's what the heck's going on? Is some poor guy

625
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that needs meat who knows.

626
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Speaker 1: Great that never got salved on this.

627
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never got solved.

628
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Speaker 1: So there's three hundred dollars out there for somebody. Three

629
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thousand dollars what did I say?

630
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Speaker 2: But you think the cost of to this rancher, you know,

631
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,599
the cows maybe what a thousand bucks each, the small

632
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
calves and then the bigger cow was probably two thousand dollars.

633
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And the real value is over the next few years,

634
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
how many caves could she provided for the guys hurt exactly.

635
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So it's a it's a bad deal financially, it's a

636
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it's a major drain on especially a small ranching system.

637
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

638
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,559
Speaker 2: So okay, let's go another one. Chesterfield, Idaho.

639
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Speaker 1: Now this is on the other side of.

640
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Speaker 2: The state, east of Pocatello, Okay. And in June of

641
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,960
twenty nineteen, so this year, right as you enter summer,

642
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,759
in June of twenty nineteen, three cows shot and killed.

643
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Each one was worth fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah, but there's

644
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forty five hundred dollars and cows that were shot.

645
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Speaker 1: And then at.

646
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Speaker 2: The same time two bulls range bulls were shot in

647
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the face but they survived.

648
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Speaker 1: They were like shot in the nose and they were

649
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actually able.

650
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Speaker 2: To remove one of the bullets out of the nose.

651
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In that case that one has, there's a four thousand

652
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:25,240
dollars reward on that one.

653
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Speaker 1: Dang.

654
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Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to go to these two Idaho towns,

655
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one in the east, one in the west and solve

656
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,599
that he got seven grand, you.

657
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Speaker 1: Put some private investigating. It looks like those bulls are

658
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worth quite a bit of money.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bulls are worth four to eight thousand dollars each.

660
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Speaker 1: So obviously the guy that owns the cows, he's probably

661
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,599
very upset, yeah, and then probably reports it to the

662
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
police and that kind of becomes a big deal. So anyway,

663
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,799
it's kind of like a little more obvious, a little

664
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,559
more understandable, right cases, And there's a lot.

665
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Speaker 2: Of those incidents out there, are way too many to

666
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get into. I just did the ones that were kind

667
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
of local, but they're all over the United States. Anywhere

668
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,079
there's cows, this kind of stuff happens. There's a lot

669
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:11,400
of stupid idiots.

670
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Speaker 1: Around, but they're not all like cow was shot in

671
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
the back of the hood, Cow got shot in my nose.

672
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They tend to get a little weirder.

673
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Speaker 2: They do, you know, they have they get weirder, and

674
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like the one, why did they remove the lung out

675
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,079
of the one? And Emmitt, why did they try to

676
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,079
peel off part of the skin.

677
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Speaker 1: So I did go shoot the cow. I mean, you're

678
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,319
trying to apply all this logic, but they're just out

679
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:32,640
shooting people's cows.

680
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Speaker 2: And that one I can't remember if they saw a

681
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,559
bullet hole on the one that was kind of butchered,

682
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but meat was taken, good chunks of meat, which brings

683
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,680
us to the next thing. You have these these things

684
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that look ritualistic, so like removing the lung, removing part

685
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,599
of the skin off before it, it looks a little ritualistic.

686
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So I did little research on sacrifice in context of

687
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like religious rights, right, and so so you can go

688
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,039
back through history. The ancient Greeks did it a long

689
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time ago. Interesting on the ancient Greeks. And you'll find

690
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this later on when we talked about the strange mutilations

691
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that blood is drained, well, the ancient Greeks, that's nothing near.

692
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The ancient Greeks drained blood and then they removed specific

693
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,079
organs and they offered them to specific deities, and then

694
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,119
then the meat themselves were like taken apart, and then

695
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,320
they would have a feast, right, So the Greeks would

696
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,039
actually kind of it almost sounds like some of the

697
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,880
cattle mulations we're going to talk about in a bit,

698
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because certain organs are gone, certain things that mean something

699
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,480
to certain deities. But also, like an ancient Rome, they

700
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:45,800
had a whole list of deities, and each deity required

701
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
a different kind of sacrifice. Their favorite was cattle, but

702
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,559
they used different kinds of cattle, different colors. Maybe it

703
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,320
was a circumcised steer that they would use for a

704
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,519
certain god and another god would get the full bowl.

705
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Speaker 1: Maybe they would use a white.

706
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Speaker 2: Steer, not circumscid castrated sir, Now that would be.

707
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would happen, but anyway.

708
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, castrated seer would be sacrificed to a certain god

709
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,559
or goddess and whim. They had criteria for the sacrifice

710
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,760
for each deity. They would sacrifice to bring good fortune

711
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,000
or to cover transgressions. So then of course you've got

712
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,639
the whole biblical kind of sacrificial system, and they would

713
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,320
do all kinds of sacrifices.

714
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,599
Speaker 1: Abraham is Abraham, Abraham. He does one that's a little

715
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,400
weird with the he does a whole bunch of them,

716
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,159
he cuts it in half and he like arranges there

717
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,920
down to trough their bodies in a way that kind

718
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,639
of makes a natural blood trough and down the middle

719
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,159
dances through the blood in a white robe. Does he

720
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:52,480
do it or does God do it?

721
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,199
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting anybody's interested in a podcast to

722
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,079
check out that scenario.

723
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:04,679
Speaker 1: More Beama Bamama podcast.

724
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: Bama podcast. You have Marty Solomon.

725
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,639
Speaker 1: Here's a shout out boo boo boom.

726
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,559
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, if you're interested in that, the meaning

727
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,760
of that stuff, it's very interesting, right, Yeah, and I

728
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,079
love that.

729
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems more I don't know, almost modern. Yeah,

730
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,599
it's just a different.

731
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,039
Speaker 2: Takes it out of antiquity and it like puts it

732
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:22,760
in a modern theme.

733
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 1: Yea, something a little less holy, a little more really.

734
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,639
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll keep going because there is a lot

735
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,199
to cover here. And I mean, so you've got the

736
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,360
Judaistic or the Hebrews and the way that they did

737
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,320
animal sacrifice. Then you got you can go into no

738
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320
offense to our LDS friends. But there was an offshoot

739
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,480
of their church, the Strangeite LDS. They called them now

740
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,440
This is like in the eighteen fifties, and it was

741
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,679
a minor LDS faction that practiced animal sacrifice. Now it

742
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,960
was strictly forbidden to sacrifice for atonement. But this guy,

743
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,599
he wrote a strings book of law of the Lord,

744
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,320
and he set himself up as a king over his

745
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,719
little faction of the church, and he demanded the head

746
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:20,360
of every household to offer sacrifices. And they were they

747
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,039
could offer a heifer or a lamb or a dove,

748
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,880
every man, a clean beast or a clean fowl according

749
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,000
to his household.

750
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a quote.

751
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, they did some weird stuff. They would they

752
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,360
would basically slip the neck. They would burn almost everything

753
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,519
up and then they'd take the choice pieces of meat

754
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,480
and they'd eat it as a feast celebration for the king.

755
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,199
Speaker 1: So that's a weird thing.

756
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:48,119
Speaker 2: You have modern day type of sacrificial things in Islam

757
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:51,559
and also in Hinduism where they cowt they you know,

758
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,320
kill a bowl, they slid its throat and drain the

759
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,199
blood and that kind of stuff. These are all.

760
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,639
Speaker 1: Kind of things that we know about. You can find

761
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,719
it on Wikipedia, you could google it.

762
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,639
Speaker 2: You can find all this information about how humans have

763
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,000
sacrificed animals since basically the beginning of humankind. Well, let's

764
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,719
go forward a little bit. Let's jump up to a

765
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,480
story from nineteen seventy five. Okay, Now this is weird.

766
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,119
This is like the first time that somebody actually claimed

767
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:26,159
that there was a ritualistic or a cultic practice in

768
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,360
place by a group of individuals that were doing this

769
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,800
on purpose and.

770
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: For a specific reason.

771
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: So there was a prisoner at Fort Leavenworth Prison in Texas,

772
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,719
and he came forward. All these cattle emulations were going

773
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,199
on in the mid seventies, and he came forward and

774
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,119
basically said, hey, I know what's going on. He got

775
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:57,599
a hold of an ATF agent named Donald Flickinger, Donald

776
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,079
Flickinger Flickinger.

777
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: So in the inmate's name was.

778
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: The inmate's name was Kenneth Baxton. Kenneth Baxton. So here

779
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,360
he is in prison, and for some reason, he's deciding

780
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,840
to tell the story of why and how these cattle

781
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,559
mulations that are now permeating the media are taking place.

782
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,119
So this ATF agent, Flickinger, I love saying that name.

783
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:27,920
Flickinger goes and interviews him. So Baxton, the inmate, claimed

784
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,599
to have inside knowledge of an occultic group called the

785
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:39,440
Sons of Satan Oohetan. The information that he gave was

786
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:44,119
powerful enough that the ATF agent Flickinger, told somebody and

787
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,719
they're like, we're doing a full investigation. So they found

788
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,840
out some really interesting stuff that matched a lot of

789
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,320
the descriptions of the cattle emulations that were going on

790
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,960
in nineteen seventy five. Those things were no tracks found,

791
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:06,360
drain specific organs, missing UFOs, weird stuff like that. So

792
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,239
this guy says, Okay, I got the inside information. I'm

793
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,880
not one of the Sons of Satan, but I know

794
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,880
somebody who is. And this is how they're doing it

795
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,559
and why they're doing He says, First, what they do

796
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,199
is they go out and they target an animal and

797
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,599
they shoot it with a tranquilizer pellet, so basically they

798
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:24,320
incapacitate it.

799
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: It's not dead.

800
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,519
Speaker 2: And then they bring with them large sheets of cardboard

801
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:30,920
that they throw down on the ground so they can

802
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,920
get close to the animal and not put any tracks

803
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,400
on the ground.

804
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: Okay, fairly understandable, yep. And then they go up and

805
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,719
they put a stimulant.

806
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: I think it's a mule nitrate, which is what sometimes

807
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,239
people will use, like if you have a heart condition,

808
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,679
to like speed up your bodily functions. And so they

809
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,000
would use that. They'd dowse someth in a rag or something,

810
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:54,960
and they'd put it by the animals no, so that

811
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,679
they'd breathe it, and they'd start bringing faster. The heart

812
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,639
would be pumping more and more and more, but they're

813
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:04,239
still pastated, right, And then they would drain the blood

814
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:13,239
through an artery somewhere using large veterinary syringes or some

815
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,400
kind of container. So they'd use the body, the animal's

816
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,559
own beating heart and blood pressure to basically drain the

817
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:26,679
blood out of the animal. And then after that was done,

818
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,840
then they would strategically and surgically cut out the organs

819
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,239
that they wanted to use for their ritual sacrifices.

820
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: And I can guess that their sacrifices were too.

821
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 2: Satan, Satan probably if they're the sons of Satan. And

822
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,280
so if you think if you look at the most

823
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,159
common things removed, most common organs removed, you're talking about genitalia,

824
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,280
reproductive organs. You're talking about like lungs and heart and

825
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,320
uterus and fetuses and weird stuff. And I don't know

826
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,639
why that's valuable as a sacrifice, but it must be

827
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,599
some because of its techy. Yeah, so maybe something that

828
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,840
was to get pregnant or I don't know. Anyway, it's

829
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,280
like I don't want to think about it too much.

830
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,519
But anyway, so that happened, and that took place in

831
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,119
I think it started in nineteen seventy five, and then

832
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,559
by the end of like nineteen seventy seven, the investigation

833
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,480
kind of stalled. Apparently a Baxton and another guy that

834
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,559
kind of backed up his story that said he had

835
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:27,119
inside knowledge to sons of Satan cult. They both escaped

836
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,519
their jail, oh boy, and were caught and taken back,

837
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,039
and I think through that they just finally got tired

838
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:34,639
of messing with these guys and they said, aah, this

839
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,800
is dumb. And basically they said the whole investigation failed

840
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,840
to provide any evidence linking quote nuts and occult groups

841
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,679
quote to cattle mutilations. So there you got it. You

842
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,159
got these like satanic things that are heard of, but

843
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,880
is it really true. Now it's weird that that kind

844
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,239
of became a popular scapegoat satanic panic. Yeah, basically it

845
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,719
kind of helped cause that it was quite prolific in

846
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,280
like the kettle mulation investigation community. There are a lot

847
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
of people that were out investigating mutes. That's what they

848
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:13,440
call mutilations mute, and this investigation got a lot of

849
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,639
people excited. From then on, like sheriff's departments and other

850
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,079
agencies would often use the possibility of some satanic or

851
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,840
a cultic ritual as an excuse.

852
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,599
Speaker 1: Kind of a scapegoat. Yeah, it was kind of like.

853
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't really know, but it could be a

854
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,840
satanic group or cultiving. So that became very common down

855
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,800
that line. I talked to a sheriff's deputy in Twin

856
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,320
Falls County and he told the story of in the

857
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,599
late nineties this happened. So this was, you know, twenty

858
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:48,599
years after this Baxton guy, there was a call and

859
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,239
they went up to investigate and there was a dead

860
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,719
caf It was mutilated in weird ways, and it was

861
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,760
on the scene of a makeshift altar, and there were

862
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,760
occultic symbols written and created in blood around this altar

863
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:10,239
and a lot of graffiti, and the calf's throat was

864
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,079
slit and there were some parts remove genitals, eyes, et cetera.

865
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Things like that. Right, So, This is similar to the

866
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,480
previous one that suns a sertain thing, but.

867
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 2: Twenty years later, and if you google it you'll find more.

868
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff going on.

869
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,119
Speaker 2: Out there to this day in fact, and a lot

870
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,800
of times now ranchers don't even want to report this

871
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,360
kind of stuff because if they do, well, that's in

872
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,079
occultic or a Satanic group. So that brings us to

873
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,599
our next story, which is equally weird, but a little

874
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:46,159
bit different way. So this story is from Cash County, Utah,

875
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,079
which is awesome because I actually went to school in Logan, Utah,

876
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:54,280
which was in Cash County, cool at Utah State University

877
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,960
down there. So anyway, this took place in like nineteen

878
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,119
seventy six, and during the that time there were like

879
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:08,599
all these weird sightings of black helicopters and UFOs, so

880
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,960
they were kind of seeing both of these things around.

881
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,719
The ranchers started noticing it, and then there were there

882
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,800
was this like weird coincidence every time they'd see the

883
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,480
black helicopters, within two or three days there would be

884
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:26,840
reports of cattle mutilations. So area ranchers would call the

885
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,800
Cash County Sheriff's department say Hey, we got some dead

886
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,199
cows and weird things have happened to him. Come check

887
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,119
it out. So they start making this correlation.

888
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: Between the black helicopters slash maybe some UFOs.

889
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: And finding these mutilated cows. Like, the other part of

890
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,239
this that's kind of weird is that at first people

891
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,920
were seeing UFOs. A guy was out watching one of

892
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,480
these what he thought was a UFO and then all

893
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,840
of a sudden, a light turned on inside of a

894
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,239
cockpit and then he could see that no, it wasn't

895
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,639
a UFO. It was actually a helicopter. And the helicopters

896
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,480
were mysteriously silent, they made very little noise.

897
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: Some kind of right secret government tick right.

898
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: And then when the light went off, then it looked

899
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,480
odd again like a UFO light.

900
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: So it was like the rotors and some stuff like

902
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,159
that were causing almost it almost to make it look

903
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:28,320
like a disc, and without the cockpit light on, it

904
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,559
looked like a UFO.

905
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: And people are.

906
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: Wondering if that was intentional a disinformation campaign.

907
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:36,519
Speaker 1: Right.

908
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, this guy, they start noticing these things, they're

909
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,119
reporting different things. The cops are becoming aware, and the

910
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,039
sheriff's deputies got smart and they decided to stake out

911
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:51,599
kind of the airport when reports of these black helicopters

912
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:57,000
or UFOs came in. And in nineteen seventy six they

913
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,840
received word that there was a spotting of these black helicopters,

914
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,960
and so in Mass sheriff's deputies converged on the airport.

915
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,440
When they got there, there were three helicopters on the

916
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,880
tarmac right by a small plane.

917
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:13,519
Speaker 1: Like a lear jet.

918
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,039
Speaker 2: The cop cars came flying in in an attempt to

919
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,760
stop the plane from taking off. The plane did not

920
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,840
divert it kept going and because of that, one of

921
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,239
the sheriff's deputies crashed his car to get out of

922
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,360
the way so that it wasn't destroyed by the.

923
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: Aircraft ticking off.

924
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, so where do Meanwhile the other cops are

925
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,599
surrounding these black helicopters, and they noticed when they pulled

926
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,199
up that one of the guys got out of the

927
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,360
black helicopter with a silver briefcase, went up to the

928
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,599
plane right before it took off and handed it to

929
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
somebody in the cockpit. Then the plane took off, caused

930
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,039
the crash of the sheriff's deputy, and then the other

931
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,079
cops converged on the two black helicopters, and there was

932
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,960
like a little bit of a standoff, and the deputy

933
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,800
or maybe it was even the sheriff basically put his

934
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,760
hands on the individual in the coveralls and was like

935
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,760
basically patting him to see if he had a dog

936
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,599
tags or anything, because apparently they noticed on the doorframe

937
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,079
of the black helicopter that it.

938
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:24,559
Speaker 1: Said US government on it.

939
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh weird, and so he was looking for dog tags,

940
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,599
thinking it was like some kind of military operation. And

941
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,000
as soon as he did that, the helicopter the people

942
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,639
that were in the helicopter immediately trained fixated on him,

943
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:41,280
and he felt like he would be killed if he

944
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,760
tried to arrest this guy wed, So they basically backed

945
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,760
off and let the helicopters take off, and then all

946
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,599
of the cattle mutilations and all of the black helicopter

947
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,559
UFO sidings ceased for about five years.

948
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Crazy in that area.

949
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: In that area, right, they just moved on to somewhere else.

950
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: So like the cops pull up, total chaos for a minute, right,

951
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,519
cop kind of like confronts the guy, starts feeling around,

952
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,880
and then the other guys kind of like may draw

953
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,239
some weapons make their weapons on the helicopter themselves get

954
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,519
out of here. Yeah, exactly.

955
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,679
Speaker 2: So the mutilations that were going on in that area

956
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,800
were basic typical cattle mutes.

957
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: No blood, genitalia or main organs, lips, eyelids, sometimes other.

958
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 2: Things removed, like like livers or yeah, us that kind

959
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,079
of stuff. So something is weird.

960
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if that story is true, If that story

961
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,239
is true, it is like, what the heck is going right,

962
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,280
that is insane.

963
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really weird.

964
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,039
Speaker 1: Story in like Utah, you know, I don't know.

965
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,119
Speaker 2: And there are other stories. I mean, gosh, if you're

966
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,679
really interested in this topic, there's tons of stuff. Just

967
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,320
get in there and and dig around, and you'll find

968
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,400
all kinds of stories of people seeing black helicopters, seeing UFOs.

969
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,400
These are common, very common threads. There are actually stories

970
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,559
of people seeing calves lifted into the air.

971
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh boy alive, like in Twister.

972
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in Twister, you know, and they're going up

973
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,360
in the air, but then the body's found, you know,

974
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,960
not the same location, just like it's drop somewhere. So

975
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,400
these are really common stories that you'll find as you

976
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,639
dig around. Right, So let's get into some of the

977
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:39,039
stories that are a little more recent.

978
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was weird. There was like an uptake

979
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,719
of these stories as soon as you and I started

980
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,800
recording this stuff. Maybe it's because it was on our radar,

981
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,800
but I feel like it was always on your radar.

982
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:49,639
It is.

983
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,039
Speaker 2: I mean I always I always heard stuff and I

984
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:53,400
it would remind me.

985
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,599
Speaker 1: And that's but it feels like as soon as we

986
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,280
started recording these things, we had like, what how many

987
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,880
cows now, like probably ten cows? Yeah, mutilated. So we

988
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,800
started talking about it.

989
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,159
Speaker 2: It's crazy, yeah, So which started out, so we went

990
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,360
hunting what that was two weeks ago, about a week ago,

991
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,360
and we went up and we were talking about this.

992
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,800
But that was just after five bulls were mutilated in organ.

993
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Now what's weird about these cows up in these bulls

994
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,719
up in Oregon is that they're still investigating and right

995
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,400
now it's hot on the news. So they had an

996
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,800
article in a newsweek And this was about a week ago,

997
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,920
which would have been about September twelfth, somewhere in that's

998
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,719
on September thirteenth. I heard about it, I think on

999
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,199
September seventh, right before we did our first recorded our

1000
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,079
first podcast and released it on nine to eleven. I'd

1001
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,400
heard about this case up in Oregon. Five bulls. They

1002
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,239
don't know how they died. They're wondering if they used

1003
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,440
a nerve agent or something on the the.

1004
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:53,199
Speaker 1: On the bulls.

1005
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,119
Speaker 2: A lot of value in these cows there, They're junk

1006
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,079
was cut off. It didn't sound like there was a

1007
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,880
lot of other kinds of damage, like maybe the other

1008
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,039
you know, things weren't cut off. It wasn't like, yeah,

1009
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:09,880
it seemed like these were just the cows and they're

1010
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,679
junk cut off. And so this happened just recently up

1011
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:18,159
in Oregon. Close to that, there was another cow I

1012
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:20,559
think in the same area that was mutilated in a

1013
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,519
similar way. And then just well it was it would

1014
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:30,000
be three weeks ago now last Saturday, which puts it

1015
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:34,000
right around the first of September. In our neck of

1016
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,760
the woods where we grew up down in Twin Falls,

1017
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,400
and I used to be a reserve sheriff's deputy used

1018
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,960
to call me a Weeni cop in Twin Falls County, Idaho.

1019
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,519
Speaker 1: There was a series of mutilations that a.

1020
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,679
Speaker 2: Friend of mine in the sheriff's department told me about.

1021
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,800
And so I've been trying to dig in and get

1022
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,800
a little information, and of course the investigations going on.

1023
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: So they're not just handing out right information.

1024
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: Really really, we had a request in to get the

1025
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,039
full report once it's released, but the investigation is still ongoing.

1026
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
But I was able to get online, do a little

1027
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,679
sleuthing get the name of the owner of the cattle,

1028
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,199
and I actually talked to him and his wife. Oh cool, Yeah,

1029
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,559
so this took place in Twin Falls County and they

1030
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,920
were aware of the five bulls that had been mutilated.

1031
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: Up in Oregon. Oregon.

1032
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,119
Speaker 2: Now what happened here was weird, so they had a rider.

1033
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,199
The South Hills area is quite large. It's in between

1034
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,400
the Idaho and Nevada border. So if you go to Kimberley,

1035
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,119
Hansen and Myrtaw, which is southern Idaho, and you go

1036
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:40,320
straight south towards Nevada, that's where these took place. And

1037
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,159
I thought there were two cows that were mutilated. There

1038
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,800
was actually three cow deaths up there. Only one of

1039
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,719
the cows belonged to the person I talked to. The

1040
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,000
other ones belonged to another individual. I've been trying to

1041
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,239
get a hold of him. I haven't been able to

1042
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,079
contact him yet, and then they're not sure on the

1043
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,679
third cow was actually a bull. They're not sure who

1044
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:07,480
that belonged to. The story goes something like this. The

1045
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,920
writer or cow han is out there riding keeping track

1046
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,159
of the cows. And this is like a co op.

1047
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,760
So this works is a small rancher can't afford to

1048
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,199
hire a full time hand.

1049
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,639
Speaker 1: To go up and watch the cows.

1050
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,599
Speaker 2: So what they do is they get a co op

1051
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,079
established and they get you know, seven or eight ranchers

1052
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,199
all having cattle with their unique brands. And then they

1053
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,840
go up in this in different areas, usually on Blm land,

1054
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,559
and they feed the cows. It saves them a lot

1055
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,159
of money and hey in that kind of feed. And

1056
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,360
then this guy rides around and make sure they're all okay,

1057
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:47,039
kind of keeps tracking well, right, So one day he's

1058
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,679
out right around and he finds a dead cow. This

1059
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,639
one was shot. It had blood coming out of its

1060
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,639
ear or behind its ear, and it was right by

1061
00:54:56,639 --> 00:55:02,559
a watering trough. And I actually have the the locations pinned,

1062
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,360
and I've got a screen grab that I'll put up

1063
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,360
on on our link section so you can see the

1064
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,599
area where each of these cows were so this one,

1065
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960
you know, you think, up some vandal shot this guy

1066
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,360
shot this. This poor cow was there and maybe he

1067
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,320
was up deer hunting.

1068
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: And he got mad and he didn't get anything, so

1069
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,519
he shot this cow.

1070
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,159
Speaker 2: Although your season wasn't going yet.

1071
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: Was it? Probably not if you're a poacher, was going on.

1072
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: If you're going to shoot a cow, then you probably

1073
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:38,360
wouldn't care about season. So anyway, dead cow there, rider

1074
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:45,119
finds it. It's sad, but not not uncommon, and that's

1075
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:48,440
really strange, just stupid. So then he writes a lot

1076
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,440
longer and he finds a dead bull and apparently it

1077
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,360
had no obvious markings.

1078
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Of what what killed it.

1079
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was within maybe a quarter of a

1080
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,079
mile of the of the first cow that was by

1081
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,320
the watering trough, and so he's like, well, that's weird.

1082
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,760
Two cows and two different brands, so it wasn't the

1083
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,199
same owner. He keeps riding and he goes up to

1084
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:16,239
another spring area and there's another dead cow, but this one,

1085
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:24,000
the third one, has all of the classic mutilation stuff, blood, drained,

1086
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:30,079
eyes missing. The wife of the owner of the cow

1087
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,719
was in a truck. She didn't want to go up

1088
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,800
and look at it, but apparently it had died and

1089
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,960
fallen where I had been dumped in the springs or

1090
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,000
you know, some fresh water that comes out of the hill.

1091
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,119
There had been dumped there. And their grandkids were with them.

1092
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,639
So the grandkids went up with them, and the grandmother

1093
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,440
was a little bit stressed about It's like, I don't

1094
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,760
know if we want you to see this. But they

1095
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,440
come back and they're kind of joking, like, man, grandma,

1096
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,320
it looks like somebody cut a box out of the

1097
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,760
back of the cow's hind end. So basically somebody had

1098
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,159
gone in and surgically removed the backside of this animal.

1099
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: Weird. Yeah, so the legs were on, legs were on, yeah,

1100
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,079
So whether they like just like got in there, it

1101
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:14,079
wasn't like they were butchering it or like, yes, quartering it.

1102
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: The wife told me, the grandma told me that nothing

1103
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:23,000
that you would take for meat was taken off the animal,

1104
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,199
just the weird bits, weird, the weird bits, the classic

1105
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,119
mute bits.

1106
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: Crazy.

1107
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,239
Speaker 2: So I'm talking to her and she goes, yeah, this

1108
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,679
was the same kind of thing that happened last year.

1109
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,480
And I said what, and she said, yeah, last year

1110
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,920
we had a cow that was killed, and she said

1111
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,679
that one was even more weird because that one was pregnant.

1112
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,320
The cow was dead, eyes removed, ear cut off, part

1113
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,519
of the jaw gone, blood drained, calf removed, all genitals gone,

1114
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:02,320
utters gone. That's crazy, yeah, the mutilation stuff. So what

1115
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,960
I find is kind of weird is like in that incident,

1116
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:09,440
you have three dead cows. With basically every incidence that

1117
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,960
we just talked about, we have the stupid vandal or

1118
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:18,000
somebody shooting vandalizing property, you're shooting a cow. You have

1119
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,039
something that looks like who knows what an animal out

1120
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,039
there that could have been, you know, killed by a

1121
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:26,079
satanic cult.

1122
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: And then you have this.

1123
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: One a year earlier that is obviously the classic category. Now,

1124
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:37,119
just so you know, at the time of this, this

1125
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,480
has not reached media. I don't think the owners have

1126
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:42,679
you know, reached out to media at all. It hasn't

1127
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,199
gone viral like the five bowls up in an organ.

1128
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,360
But it is a very strange thing that this happened

1129
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,880
within just a couple of weeks of the original or

1130
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,719
the with the stuff in the stuff up in organ.

1131
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all kind of happens at the same time.

1132
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,679
Speaker 2: Same time as they say it like goes in waves

1133
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:02,920
like every five years.

1134
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,639
Speaker 1: It's like the Mothman or something.

1135
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, that's another thing they talk about, the Mothman.

1136
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,719
The writer of it, of the Mothman prophecies, actually did

1137
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,639
some cattle mutilation investigations.

1138
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

1139
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: But the other thing that strikes me about this, So

1140
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,599
we're here in southern Idaho and where a stone's throw

1141
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:30,519
away from Nevada and Utah and Oregon. Yeah, all of

1142
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:38,559
these locations are relatively close to government place places. Yeah,

1143
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,960
and like if you go south or even here in

1144
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,960
southern Idaho, or go towards Idaho Falls or into northern

1145
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,760
Utah or down into air bases and also locations of

1146
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:55,559
nuclear testing. Yeah, so I mean you start thinking about that.

1147
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:57,639
I haven't looked in other regions of the United States

1148
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:02,239
because cattle mulition is across the board, but it's still

1149
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,400
like something that maybe I should look into.

1150
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, are all of.

1151
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: These things somewhere close to these kind of government locations.

1152
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: That'd be something. And then the other thing.

1153
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: I think about is like once with all of the

1154
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:20,639
of the paranormal UFO extraterrestrial kind of encounters that surround

1155
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:25,199
cattle mulations, right. If you get on Linda Moulton Howell's site, you'll,

1156
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:30,360
you know, discover very quickly. She's like, definitely an extraterrestrial

1157
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,920
believer that these things are connected. Betsy Lewis, who we

1158
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
talked when we kicked off the show. Interesting, she claims

1159
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,880
to be a psychic, astrologer, numerologist, and Earth mysteries investigator.

1160
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, that's her claim.

1161
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:51,719
Speaker 2: That's her claim. Yeah, I mean that's self proclaimed. But

1162
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,800
she's very sincere. I mean, you read your stuff. She's

1163
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,639
not like trying to be extra sensational any more than any.

1164
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: Of this it already is.

1165
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she believes something's going on, and she believes

1166
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,599
that she has some abilities that help her kind of

1167
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,440
decipher some of this stuff. Believe that or don't believe it.

1168
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:08,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's up to you guys.

1169
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,719
Speaker 2: But for me, the very fact that she's in touch

1170
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,400
with some of these consistencies across all these different types

1171
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,679
of cattle deaths is very intriguing to me. Whether or

1172
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:27,840
not she's onto something with aliens and UFO's that's a

1173
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,119
topic for another day, Yeah, which is a topic we're

1174
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:32,159
going to tackle next time.

1175
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys, should you know listeners should just

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kind of think about these things. We've gone through all

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of these and you may have noticed kind of a

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pattern or an arrangement in the way we presented these

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stories categories from kind of more or logical explanations to

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some where it's just like the cow's calf was missing,

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or you know why they cut off the top of

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its head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just weird things.

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Speaker 1: So you kind of have a vast array of cattle mulations,

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which is not something you want on your hands. And

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we've just.

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Speaker 2: Spoken about a very few literally the tip of the iceberg.

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Since in nineteen ninety they said that there have been

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hundreds of thousands of cattle mutilations in the late nineties,

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so from seventy five when they started kind of keeping

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track of this stuff. The best guess is there's been

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up to a million cattle mutilations throughout the world since

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the seventies.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, it's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them aren't reported, So what in the

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heck is going on? Yeah? And I have my theories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got my theories too, and we're going to

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talk about those theories. Yeah next time.

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Speaker 2: And I hope you guys get your theories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come up with some theories. Do we have a

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forum or anything on our.

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Speaker 2: Page we can do We can definitely I could put

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a forum on there.

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Speaker 1: We're going to put up before them maybe Yeah, topic

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thread that you guys here, we doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd love to hear your thoughts and ideas.

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Speaker 1: You can go in there and type it up and

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argue with each other and try not to call each

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other mean names.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say real quick, I've got

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a new email address for anyone who wants to share

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their strange stories. We've been asking for your story so

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for a future podcast.

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Speaker 1: That email is now my.

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Speaker 2: Story at a Strange thing dot com. So very simple.

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You can attach if you want to. You can attach

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your own voice recording of you narrating the story if

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you want to give that a shot. Up to three

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meg should be fine, or you can just type it

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out and then we'll read it on the show.

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Speaker 1: Pictures or anything like that. Also welcome to support materials

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be awesome, so share those with us.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to put that podcast together. It's gonna be

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a lot of fun. We're getting some cool stories, some

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really weird stuff, some stuff that makes you.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh my gosh, that happened.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, share more stories with us. We're gonna pick

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like probably five or six four or five six, something like.

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Speaker 1: That and put them on.

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Speaker 2: But until then, let your imaginations run wild.

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Speaker 1: Try to figure out what could be doing this strange

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cattle mutilation stuff. What are they all about, what's causing them,

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what are bovine moodilations about. It's not just silly stories

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01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,760
on a podcast.

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Speaker 2: No, something the farious is going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, all right.

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Speaker 2: So until next time, have a great week, be strange.

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Speaker 1: Join us next time for a cold drink and some

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strange conversations.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Tater's Show, Bank Bank