Speaker 1: Hey guys, thank you for tuning in to the second
episode of a Strange Thing podcast, which.
Speaker 2: Is also part two of our Bovine mudulation.
Speaker 1: Or cattle mutilation episode. Yeah, I'm Austin and I'm Mike,
and we're your hosts, and you're lucky that we're your
hosts because we're awesome. Well maybe not. I don't know
about all that.
Speaker 2: It's debatable. Well, last time we started the conversation about
cattle mutilations and we also talked a little bit about
how the show came to be, and then we barely
scratched the service on what cattle mulations are. We wanted
to start this program with a shout out to shout
out to Katie Colbert, Katie Cooper.
Speaker 1: She brought up some good questions for.
Speaker 2: Us, and she rated us and gave us a review.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is it's very important if you feel compelled
to do so, feel free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what were her questions?
Speaker 1: First question was what happened to the Volkswagen thing.
Speaker 2: We mentioned the Volkswagen thing for those of you who
didn't hear the first podcast was our inspiration for starting
a Strange Thing podcast way back in the day. Well, Katie,
we sold it.
Speaker 1: We sold it, but we kind of traded it.
Speaker 2: We kind of swapped it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we swap it for a nice little boat?
A nice little boat we've used way more than we
ever used the thing. That's right.
Speaker 2: The thing as fun as it was and as cool
as it was as a piece of German almost at
German Americana, but that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Germanic Ona, Germanica ding dong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was a very cool machine. They're very utilitarian,
they're kind of fun.
Speaker 1: They're mechanical, but they're not comfy easy to drive or pleasant,
and they rattle a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's loud, but it was fun and we took
it out on some adventures. Is there's some pictures on
our website for those that want to see it. It
actually did exist, and we had a profidential moment where
we basically found a lady who needed some money and
had a boat, and I sold the thing and got
some cash. In that very same day that I got
the cash, I also got a note from this lady
that her husband had been injured in Alaska, and she said, hey,
i'll sell it for this amount of money if you'll
come and get it today. So the day I sold
the Volkswagen thing. I got in the car after I
went to the bank and re got the money that
I just deposited from selling the thing, and I drove
up to Garden Valley, Idaho and picked up the boat.
Speaker 1: Which are a weird serendipitous occasion. Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2: Didn't have the thing, but we had another thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a different kind of thing, a lotter thing.
But it wasn't a finm and wagon.
Speaker 2: No, which was Koubelwagen was an amphibious version of the
Type one eighty one thing.
Speaker 1: Either way, Katie's other question was, oh, yeah, Katie said
the question.
Speaker 2: See, we're rabbit hole kind of people. Yeah, rabbit trail.
Speaker 1: Rabbit trails in a lot of holes, but we explore
a lot of rabbits.
Speaker 2: We're going to get in the rabbit hole today.
Speaker 1: Katie's other question was what did we do in shosh
when we went down there? Just the idea or did
we do a little bit more?
Speaker 3: In every Kong settles over the countryside, everyone had retired
for the evening, including the two family dawn He's a
sleeve on the front porch and the nearby the pasture
cattle grazed restlessly as a brilliant white light floats above
the hillsides and descend is over. The animalies, nothing, movies,
and not a sound is heard. A single steer is
selected from the group, bawling in fear as it is
lifted high into the air of the Within minutes, the
animal has been dissected alive with the expertise of a
surgeon and I and I tongue, rectum, and sexual organs removed,
and its body drained of blood as if sucked dry
by a vampire. Moments later, the lifeless creature is air
dropped in the field. The following day, the rancher discussis
the mutilated carcass in the field, examines it and finds
there are no tracks around the animal to indicate how
or what killed it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's what happened. When we decided to make
the podcast. I wanted to do it on cattle mutilations
because going way way back in like the early nineteen seventies,
there were a breakout of cattle mutilations in southern Idaho,
and I remembered it all through my life. So I
got on my trustee computer and I searched for anything
having to do with cattle mutilations in Idaho. I thought
that was a good place to start. And one of
the first things that came up was an excerpt from
a book. Now, the book was called Angels, Aliens and Prophecy,
The Connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 2: Was an excerpt from chapter five of that book. And
that chapter was called The Three Seas, Cattle Mutilations, Chimp trails,
and crop circles.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Three Seas.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's four.
Speaker 2: No, crop circles is one item, even though there's two
seas in it. Four season one m Anyway, the chapter
is called the Three Seas and the book was written
by Betsy Lewis. Now, as you heard in that Strange
Story intro right before we started the segment, that is
the excerpt that leads into this chapter. Now, the interesting
thing about Betsy Lewis, the author of this book, is
that Betsy Lewis worked for a southern Idaho television station
in the late nineteen seventies and while she was there,
there was a call placed by a rancher from Shoshone
into the state that said he had a strange cow
death and he wanted somebody to come out and investigate
what happened news, Yeah, new segment on it, right, So
two reporters went over there. One was a cameraman that
was an anchor person, and they went over and they
interviewed the guy and they took video of this mutilated
calf in Shoshown. And when they came back, Betsy Lewis,
who was working at the station, talked to them and
the anchorwoman was really wigged out. She was really shaken up,
and that got Betsy Lewis kind of into this mode
of investigating. Also in that same book, she mentions a
lady who started an investigation. Her name was Linda Moulton Howe,
and we talked about her a little bit in the
first podcast. She is the mother of cattle mutilations. I
call her mother MoU, Mother MoU so Mother MoU has
been researching these kind of things for well since the
mid nineteen seventies. So Linda Multen Howe has a website
that chronicles and has lots of information on cattle mutilation,
stretching all the way back to the nineteen seventies and
even earlier. So, I mean, this is stuff's been going
on for long time. Betsy Lewis mentioned her so I
googled Linda Moulton Howe, and that got me on a
different divergent track, and I started getting into the weeds
of cattle mulations, and then it ran even deeper until
the name Don Ecker came up. Don Ecker and this
is something that I didn't tell you about human mutilations.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on my search I ran into this article by
Don Ecker, who turns out to be a very well
known kind of paranormal investigator. He is a radio host
right now for Dark Matters Radio. It's a late night
radio program. Kind of weird, maybe some of our listeners
listen to it, don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe, but of a George Norrie kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, yeah, kind of that. This guy has an
interest in history. He was military guy. He's a skeptic.
He's not, like, you know, totally sold out on the
idea of ay and UFOs and all that kind of stuff.
Weird stuff, but he also brings a fresh eye. So
one of the first things that he talks about was
a story of a human mutilation that took place right
outside of shows shown in the bliss Jerome area there
within probably twenty square miles of each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I heard that story, I was like, ooh, we
got to go to show showing was.
Speaker 1: It mutilated like the cows were like the same way.
Speaker 2: Or yes, that's the fascinating thing. So that story, when
I started reading, was as follows. Two hunters are out
walking in a plane or field somewhere. Now, if you're
not familiar with that area, the terrain is very volcanic,
but also a lot of sagebrush thistles. You know, it's
rough terrain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a desert.
Speaker 2: It's a desert and very sindery. The rocks are you know,
they're sharp and edgy. You wouldn't want to walk around barefoot.
So these two hunters are walking through this kind of
terrain and lo and behold in front of them, naked,
almost as a jbird is a male body. It's laying
on the ground. It's got underwear on. Now I'm not
sure where the underwear were. They could have been around
his knees or ankles, not sure. But when they looked
at it, they could tell that this person had been mutilated.
His genitals had been cut off, he'd been castrated and emasculated.
So all the wedding tackle Algonda Total Kendall kindled it
totally kindled him.
Speaker 1: I feel funny laughing about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So anyway, this body's laying out there, they
see that, and then they see that the guy's face
is wrong. They look at it and his lips have
been systematically removed, like with a sharp instrument. It wasn't
like torn. It was like you know, mag Heiser, Ravens
or something came in there and like picked his face
as like cut. It was cut, and his eyes were there.
Birds would have gone straight for the eyes, you know,
his lips were cut out, his genitals were removed. And
here's the strange thing. He's out in the middle of nowhere.
How did you get there? There's no marks anywhere around
the body, like to say that somebody carried off, dropped
him off of a horse or in the back of
a you know, a truck or something. I don't know
if they had you know, razors or side by sides
back then.
Speaker 1: I think they were called geiters there for Farman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Farman implements. No tracks on anything out there. And
when they looked at the bottom of his feet, they
were pristine.
Speaker 1: So if he had been walking.
Speaker 2: Around for any amount of time, he would have had thistles, thorns, Yes,
scraped up and torn, shredded, at least dirty, but the
bottom of his feet were fine. So I mean that
was an indicator that this guy had been dropped off out.
Speaker 1: There crazy, But there were no tracks.
Speaker 2: Theyended up finding his belongings about a mile away, and
they have no idea how he got into.
Speaker 1: The where it was, how he got torn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a mile, you think about a mile is a
long ways away.
Speaker 1: You couldn't lock a mile in issues because he didn't
have any shoes. Yeah, you couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: But and this all took place in like nineteen seventy nine.
This was a year after, if we want to go chronologically,
this was a year after Betsy Lewis heard about the
cattle mutilation that took place in shows shown from the
TV station in Twin Falls.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a weird emergence of all these mutilations
and then this drop a lot of human mutilation really
kind of sets the tone of being a little more nefarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and let's set the stage of what's going
on around this area. So about that time, Linda Moulton
Howe's doing her investigations on cattle mulations all over the Midwest,
all over the West, heck, all over the United States
and even in South America. And she in that time
is producing this documentary on cattle mulations. It's called a
Strange Harvest. Most of those things were like in Wyoming, Colorado,
and most.
Speaker 1: Of Linna Moulton House. Yeah, stuff isn't okay.
Speaker 2: Right, but this is going on in central Idaho, southern Idaho.
All that stuff together when I was doing the research,
is like, okay, this is the perfect place to go
and kick off this investigation.
Speaker 1: On the side of a dead kendall with no lips.
So while we're in Shoshone, we uh we did our ideals,
which was awesome. It was pretty fun. It was a
little heavy on the board. Yeah, you poured it at
so we obviously needed some food to kind of counteract
our idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we didn't drive around with some kind of
inebriation thing because we are very responsible drinkers. Yes, our
goal is not to get drunk. Our goal is to
enjoy a little bit of what do you call it
yomy and bibery, to enjoy a little bit of of
beer or a little bit of whiskey. But we do
not want to condone getting drunk and driving and things
like that. That's bad.
Speaker 1: No, no, okay. So we went to the Manhattan Cafe,
which is just this little kind of diner cafe in
downtown right off the train tracks and shown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so paint that picture, so you've got Main Street
like downtown shoe show. The street is actually divided in half.
One side is one way, the other side is the
other way, and in the middle is like four railroad tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's weird. It's super weird. It's too weird.
Speaker 2: So Manhattan Cafe is on the would be the south side.
Speaker 1: So we go in there just to get some food.
I ordered some finger steaks. I think Dad got the prime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing the thing about cattle mulation.
Speaker 1: Now we got to bring the beefe. Yeah, beef, it's
what's for dinner. It was good anyway. Our waitress, you know,
we kind of like feel out the area. Everybody's pretty
nice and talkative. So we asked her, have you ever
heard anything about these cattle mutilations? And of course she
has a pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Story, which is a little bit tangent, but it still fits.
Speaker 1: It still fits, and I mean, it's all about people's stories, right,
that's right. Yeah, that's a kind of mutilation. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: Because she had a story of the guy three booths
down had a story, but he.
Speaker 1: Was older and didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: He kind of left when he heard we were investigating.
He kind of like got a puck her face, like
maybe he'd been threatened by the government and was like
out the door, and then black came to scare them.
He was out the door fast for like a ninety
four year old land with a walker. Yeah, it took
him like three.
Speaker 1: Minutes to get out the door, but he was moving
as fast as he good. Anyway, that's sad. So she
starts telling us this story and I'll let you take
it away.
Speaker 2: Because well we had we had kind of two different perspectives.
So what I was getting is like a whole different
topic that maybe someday we would do about on a
strange thing. And it was about her as a high
schooler having a crush on a guy, going out with
a boyfriend to out somewhere out in the country to
see this judge's estate, a prominent judge of that area,
and she's a state and stumbles across a scene with
definite nefairis implications. She stumbles upon this scene of all
these guys around the bonfire, wearing robes and doing weird
occultic ritualistic kind of things, speaking like gibberish.
Speaker 1: And what do they have in their possession? They have
possession of a.
Speaker 2: Cow, a young cow. Yeah, it could have been a bowl,
could have been a cow. She didn't know it was
a cow. Yeah, And as far as I heard, I
didn't hear that she saw them sacrifice it or kill it, right,
But she was there. It was there, and it was
gonna go down crazy. Yes, we branded this waitress that
was telling this story rock Lady.
Speaker 1: We called her rock Lady because she had a bunch
of like geodes.
Speaker 2: And cool rocks in the back of her international truck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the back of her international scout. It was
a scout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool in really good shape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice. It was She also ladies and gentlemen.
She knows the entrance to the.
Speaker 2: Hollow Earth because she gets a lot of her rocks
and geodes from caves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bigfoot comes out and handsome to her, I guess.
Speaker 2: But she did say that there's like a whole world
under there.
Speaker 1: It'd be cool to check out. That would belunking episode.
Speaker 2: That's another story. See, we got like three stories out
of this one thing, just from the Manhattan Cafe in
the show shown Idaho, the only cafe really in town.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so I understood that story a little bit different.
Tell me where she was with They were kind of
like walking through I For some reason, in my head,
I pictured like trees everywhere. I don't know why, because
it's shown southern I.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, there are areas trees, but that's why I
think it was maybe even somewhere close by, but not
in john.
Speaker 1: Right anyway, But anyway, in my head, I picture her
walking up on three guys for some reason. Three three
in my head, I pictured a small group and that
they had already killed the cow. Oh, and then she
made almost a confrontation with the person she recognized as
this judge.
Speaker 2: Well, because she did say that she felt like the
judge was kind of about to get her natur and
that's part of the reason why she fled the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah crazy, Yeah, But.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the judge died, she came back and started serving
red meat to us.
Speaker 1: That was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was It was a very interesting conversation
very strange, very fun.
Speaker 1: Not what we expected. No, we laughed so hard. Yeah,
that was awesome. And part of the reason we laughed
was because right after the Manhattan Cafe, well, she tells us.
Speaker 2: She says, well, you know, if you really want to
know a caval relations, go talk to the bartender across
the street at the Iron Horse Saloon.
Speaker 1: The Iron Horse Saloon ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: So you had to walk across one side of the street,
across four railroad tracks, across the other side of the street,
and then you walk straight into the doors you have
the Iron Horse Saloon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we walk in there and it's pretty much dead. Yeah,
there's like, you know, half naked paintings, paintings and stuff
on the wall.
Speaker 2: I was wondering what you were going with that.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 2: In the back they were like that was weird. There's
like like homemade somebody painted these like half naked.
Speaker 1: Were they celebrities or like maybe like beer ladies, like
you know, Bud Lighthous like the Oh yeah, I don't know,
but they were old.
Speaker 2: They were probably what like from the sixties, seventies, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell because they were paintings don't age, like,
no normal people.
Speaker 2: Well, and if they don't have clothes, how do you
tell what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What year they're in? Decade?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Anyway, So that was like on the back wall this
place by the bathrooms, and then there was this long
bar and the way the bartender was like this ex military,
toughy lady, very cool though. She was really super nice
and very patient because in front of her and to
my side was like this drunk ex con who was
probably what five five yeah maybe I don't know, A
little short.
Speaker 1: Guy and he was he was rambling.
Speaker 2: He was three sheets to the wind, and he was
telling us all kinds of crazy stories.
Speaker 4: Stories about grabbing cops by the genitals and flipping them
straight over his shoulder because they.
Speaker 1: Touched his mama.
Speaker 2: Mama, they're from crowd, their mama, They're gonna die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was crazy. He was nuts.
Speaker 2: Well, he was from Utah.
Speaker 1: That explains a lot. So we've been there. We have
more stories about Utah.
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, we're sitting there, this guy's going off
and the next thing you know, Austin leaves me sitting
there with this guy who's just yabbering on and on
and I'm trying to pull the conversation towards you know,
have you seen any cattle mulations?
Speaker 1: And he's like no.
Speaker 2: But one time me and my wife rode in a
car sitting there watching, we saw these train lights that
were moving in all weird directions.
Speaker 4: And I've seen a lot of airplanes. I was in
the Air Force. I've been on so many airport bass
I'd know an airplane or a helicopter. It ain no,
it wouldn't, it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: No one of them know.
Speaker 2: How, no how, And believe us, we are talking a
lot more legibly than he was. He was, he was,
he was out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. And so so I walked down
the end of the bar. There's these two guys, super
cool guys. But one of them I just could see
he knew everything. He seemed like maybe kind of a
Native American fella, and he had like a lazy eye.
Maybe he'd got in a fight with a badger or something.
You know, he looked super cool, and I thought for
sure he'd be like.
Speaker 2: Did he No, he didn't, he didn't know, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He looked at me like, you idiot, damn millennial snowflake,
get out of here alien hippie, shave your beard. Oh no,
they were They were super cool. They have any information,
not really, they just getn't talked and laughing.
Speaker 2: Is that the guy that said, you know, you should
check out over it bliss.
Speaker 1: They have some name of a lady. We never checked
the taller, not bigger. They were both in really good shape.
Probably beat me up. Yeah he was real tall, and
yeah he mentioned checking out some other place. But I
was so out of my element in there, man, I
know where am.
Speaker 2: We kind of got out of there and like we
felt like we just like landed in Twin Peaks or
some some weird.
Speaker 1: TV fake world because it didn't seem real.
Speaker 2: And then we giggled all the way back to the car,
and we giggled all the way all the way home
until my head hurts so bad, our cheeks hurt, and
we're laughing. I was getting muscle cramps in the back
of my Oh.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: And then by the time we got here we almost
went into postpartum depression because it was like, oh, the
fund's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't there again. I'm going to go back
there and get some some of that presure and maybe
have some more detailed stories from that real bar, from them,
from the real bartender, and from the rock lady.
Speaker 2: I would really like to get her in a cave.
That could not sound right.
Speaker 1: I would really like to go with her to a
k No, that didn't sound right.
Speaker 2: I'd really like it if you and I could go
with her to see the entrance to the underworld.
Speaker 1: How about that? That would be more fun entrance to the underworld.
I'd like to plunge her dungeon anytime.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get out of this conversation really quick.
Speaker 1: So anyway, anyway she's shown was a blast, had a
great time, didn't learn a whole lot, We heard some
great stories, and it was a great way to kick
off our fun, light hearted podcast. It was.
Speaker 2: So that's a really long explanation.
Speaker 1: Katie, but it kind of kicks off the story.
Speaker 2: It kind of kicks off the next sequence. So we're
going to take a quick hope you listen to this
message and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys.
Speaker 2: So this is Mike and Austin and we are out
in the wilderness with a bottle scotch by the campfire.
Speaker 1: Taking it easy. What time is it?
Speaker 2: Ten o'clock?
Speaker 1: Ten thirty.
Speaker 2: It is ten o five, ten oh five. We are
up in the mountains. We've been hunting all day. We
are thinking about something pretty cool, which is a podcast
that we're going to do in the New Yar future.
An episode of a podcast, an episode of a podcast
called A Strange Thing in the Woods.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of strange things people see when they're
like hunting or hiking or fishing, and you hear weird
stories a once in.
Speaker 2: A while you do out in the woods, you hear
a lot of weird things, and part of it's probably
somewhat mental, because like right now, we've got a full moon.
Yes it's Friday, the thirteenth, September thirteenth, twenty nineen and
it's a full moon and a Friday and a Friday.
Speaker 1: How strange is that. That's a little weird, but it
is weird. We're out in the woods and like what
all you can see is silhouettes of trees between like
the streaks of bright moonlight. It's crazy and that would
cause your mind to maybe wander a little bit.
Speaker 2: And we're sitting around a campfire, you could maybe hear it.
And it's very dark except for the sky is going
to be very light when the moon comes up.
Speaker 1: It is pretty cool up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we wanted to invite you to share your stories
of strange things that you've experienced while you're out in
the woods or out camping or hiking or boning, whatever
it is, outdoors doing something and something strange happens. We
want to hear about it. And if we use your story,
we'll give you kudos, accolades.
Speaker 1: What else will we get? Maybe send a little swag
their way, a little swag, little free stuff swag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a cool episode. I'm looking
forward to what we're going to use it between our
episode about cattle mutilations and our next episode, which I'm
not sure what will be. Probably paranormal activity in strange locations. Broad.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very broad.
Speaker 1: I know your plants.
Speaker 2: Very broad.
Speaker 1: We have an inside tip. It's a.
Speaker 2: A goose story or strange thing happening in a brewery
of all places.
Speaker 1: There may be some alterior motives on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully we'll get free beer if we go there,
but I kind.
Speaker 1: Of doubt it.
Speaker 2: I don't we know a guy, we know a guy,
we know a guy, and anyway, weird things are happening
at that place, but that will be later after the
strange things in the woods.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we just want to invite.
Speaker 2: You to share your story with us. If you go
on our website, there's a link there you can share
your story. Don't be afraid, just do it.
Speaker 1: Now, let's let's really get into it. Let's quit talking
about ourselves, and let's talk about some crazy stories. So
this is.
Speaker 2: Where maybe the fun and lighthearted might not get quite
so fun and lighthearted, because you know, this conversation about
cattle emulation sounded really kind of cool and fun and
giddy and weird and ah ha, it's gonna be a
big funny thing. Well you start investigating and you start
looking at some of these stories and it gets a
little creepy and scary and a little overwhelming, and you know,
we're gonna laugh about it, make fun of it. But
I'm just saying, if you're a little bit lighthearted and squeamish,
I'm gonna say, like I always say, listen to us anyway,
and then go talk to your counselor if you can't handle.
Speaker 1: It, listen to it with your counselor yeah, get her involved.
To do it him her and get her to like
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Now that that plugs out of the way, let's let's
start getting into some actual incidents. Let's start with the
obvious thing. A lot of cows die by natural deaths, right.
Speaker 1: And we covered that in the first episode.
Speaker 2: Struck by lightning, eat bad food, fall off, hit by cars, predators.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that stuff, disease norms.
Speaker 2: So all of those were sliding off the table. Yeah,
we're gonna start small. We're gonna go a little bigger
and weirder. Okay, chrescendo, We're gonna crescendo them, crescendo the cattle.
So let's start with the South Hills over like the
last twenty five years. Now, the South Hills are right
outside of Twin Falls, Kimberly, Hanson.
Speaker 1: Where we grew up.
Speaker 2: Where we grew up, about twenty miles up there. I've
talked to the range cops from the Twin Foles County
Sheriff's Department, and they have plenty of stories of people
for whatever reason just being stupid or the hoodlums or
vandals or whatever are desperate or poachers, you know, and
they go out and they shoot an animal. They might
even like cut off a chunk. They might go all
rushing on it and cut a chunk, yes, and take
it home and try to eat it for dinner. And
those are generally sloppy kind of things where you know,
they find a bullet hole or whatever with guilt, yeah,
and they're you know, they got a nice big chunk
cut off the meat areas yea, the place where.
Speaker 1: People miss ye right, cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that happens periodically, so it's pretty obvious what
those things are. A few cases of point of that.
And like in Emmett, Idaho, which is northeast of or
northwest of Boise, not eastern Idaho, Western Idaho, in twenty ten,
random Span was called to a ranch and there were
three calves that had been shot with a small caliber
rifle like a twenty two. Yeah, yep, just like and
you know, none of them were like nothing was done
with them. They were just shot. Like somebody's out.
Speaker 1: There just being a dick clinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just maybe didn't get a deer. So they
came down and shot a couple few cows in the
head with the twenty two. So anyway, their dad laying there.
So the guy goes out and investigates, and then the
next day the brand inspectors called back out because there's
another dead cow. So he's thinking, oh, I'm gonna go
back out there. Another stupid poacher.
Speaker 1: Same thing as.
Speaker 2: Last Yeah, somebody vandalizing this guy's property and shot another cow.
But he gets out there. This one's a little different.
This one was a cow, not a calf, was fully
grown and its hind legs and shoulders were cut off
and for some reason, the lungs were removed and the
forehead was partly skinned.
Speaker 1: That's odd.
Speaker 2: It's weird. There's a hinter of something nefarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the like the shoulders and legs, you could
just see that's meat, right, That's where.
Speaker 2: You roast comes from. As far as I know that,
people don't eat lungs.
Speaker 1: I don't think they typically do.
Speaker 2: So, like if I guess if you cut off the shoulder,
maybe you have visibility of the lungs in there, and
maybe they just thought, oh, let's grab one of those big.
Speaker 1: Fun I don't know. Then the forehead skin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like a you know, a cow scalp.
I mean, yeah, maybe they were gonna skin it. Maybe
they got interrupted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's just kind of odd.
Speaker 2: So this like is a a tailtale sign of something
a little bit more weird. Now, three days later, in
the same location in Emma, Idaho, another cow was shot
in the face. And this one had broken jaws and
we had a calf. It couldn't feed the calf it
was because it couldn't eat or drink and they had
to put the cow down. But anyway, there was that
rancher in the Ranchers Association in mit, Idaho got together
and they raised a three thousand dollars reward to.
Speaker 1: Freak out who's doing this?
Speaker 2: You know, they dumb kid or they culled, you know what.
What's what the heck's going on? Is some poor guy
that needs meat who knows.
Speaker 1: Great that never got salved on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never got solved.
Speaker 1: So there's three hundred dollars out there for somebody. Three
thousand dollars what did I say?
Speaker 2: But you think the cost of to this rancher, you know,
the cows maybe what a thousand bucks each, the small
calves and then the bigger cow was probably two thousand dollars.
And the real value is over the next few years,
how many caves could she provided for the guys hurt exactly.
So it's a it's a bad deal financially, it's a
it's a major drain on especially a small ranching system.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So okay, let's go another one. Chesterfield, Idaho.
Speaker 1: Now this is on the other side of.
Speaker 2: The state, east of Pocatello, Okay. And in June of
twenty nineteen, so this year, right as you enter summer,
in June of twenty nineteen, three cows shot and killed.
Each one was worth fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah, but there's
forty five hundred dollars and cows that were shot.
Speaker 1: And then at.
Speaker 2: The same time two bulls range bulls were shot in
the face but they survived.
Speaker 1: They were like shot in the nose and they were
actually able.
Speaker 2: To remove one of the bullets out of the nose.
In that case that one has, there's a four thousand
dollars reward on that one.
Speaker 1: Dang.
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to go to these two Idaho towns,
one in the east, one in the west and solve
that he got seven grand, you.
Speaker 1: Put some private investigating. It looks like those bulls are
worth quite a bit of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bulls are worth four to eight thousand dollars each.
Speaker 1: So obviously the guy that owns the cows, he's probably
very upset, yeah, and then probably reports it to the
police and that kind of becomes a big deal. So anyway,
it's kind of like a little more obvious, a little
more understandable, right cases, And there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of those incidents out there, are way too many to
get into. I just did the ones that were kind
of local, but they're all over the United States. Anywhere
there's cows, this kind of stuff happens. There's a lot
of stupid idiots.
Speaker 1: Around, but they're not all like cow was shot in
the back of the hood, Cow got shot in my nose.
They tend to get a little weirder.
Speaker 2: They do, you know, they have they get weirder, and
like the one, why did they remove the lung out
of the one? And Emmitt, why did they try to
peel off part of the skin.
Speaker 1: So I did go shoot the cow. I mean, you're
trying to apply all this logic, but they're just out
shooting people's cows.
Speaker 2: And that one I can't remember if they saw a
bullet hole on the one that was kind of butchered,
but meat was taken, good chunks of meat, which brings
us to the next thing. You have these these things
that look ritualistic, so like removing the lung, removing part
of the skin off before it, it looks a little ritualistic.
So I did little research on sacrifice in context of
like religious rights, right, and so so you can go
back through history. The ancient Greeks did it a long
time ago. Interesting on the ancient Greeks. And you'll find
this later on when we talked about the strange mutilations
that blood is drained, well, the ancient Greeks, that's nothing near.
The ancient Greeks drained blood and then they removed specific
organs and they offered them to specific deities, and then
then the meat themselves were like taken apart, and then
they would have a feast, right, So the Greeks would
actually kind of it almost sounds like some of the
cattle mulations we're going to talk about in a bit,
because certain organs are gone, certain things that mean something
to certain deities. But also, like an ancient Rome, they
had a whole list of deities, and each deity required
a different kind of sacrifice. Their favorite was cattle, but
they used different kinds of cattle, different colors. Maybe it
was a circumcised steer that they would use for a
certain god and another god would get the full bowl.
Speaker 1: Maybe they would use a white.
Speaker 2: Steer, not circumscid castrated sir, Now that would be.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would happen, but anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, castrated seer would be sacrificed to a certain god
or goddess and whim. They had criteria for the sacrifice
for each deity. They would sacrifice to bring good fortune
or to cover transgressions. So then of course you've got
the whole biblical kind of sacrificial system, and they would
do all kinds of sacrifices.
Speaker 1: Abraham is Abraham, Abraham. He does one that's a little
weird with the he does a whole bunch of them,
he cuts it in half and he like arranges there
down to trough their bodies in a way that kind
of makes a natural blood trough and down the middle
dances through the blood in a white robe. Does he
do it or does God do it?
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting anybody's interested in a podcast to
check out that scenario.
Speaker 1: More Beama Bamama podcast.
Speaker 2: Bama podcast. You have Marty Solomon.
Speaker 1: Here's a shout out boo boo boom.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, if you're interested in that, the meaning
of that stuff, it's very interesting, right, Yeah, and I
love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems more I don't know, almost modern. Yeah,
it's just a different.
Speaker 2: Takes it out of antiquity and it like puts it
in a modern theme.
Speaker 1: Yea, something a little less holy, a little more really.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll keep going because there is a lot
to cover here. And I mean, so you've got the
Judaistic or the Hebrews and the way that they did
animal sacrifice. Then you got you can go into no
offense to our LDS friends. But there was an offshoot
of their church, the Strangeite LDS. They called them now
This is like in the eighteen fifties, and it was
a minor LDS faction that practiced animal sacrifice. Now it
was strictly forbidden to sacrifice for atonement. But this guy,
he wrote a strings book of law of the Lord,
and he set himself up as a king over his
little faction of the church, and he demanded the head
of every household to offer sacrifices. And they were they
could offer a heifer or a lamb or a dove,
every man, a clean beast or a clean fowl according
to his household.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a quote.
Speaker 2: So anyway, they did some weird stuff. They would they
would basically slip the neck. They would burn almost everything
up and then they'd take the choice pieces of meat
and they'd eat it as a feast celebration for the king.
Speaker 1: So that's a weird thing.
Speaker 2: You have modern day type of sacrificial things in Islam
and also in Hinduism where they cowt they you know,
kill a bowl, they slid its throat and drain the
blood and that kind of stuff. These are all.
Speaker 1: Kind of things that we know about. You can find
it on Wikipedia, you could google it.
Speaker 2: You can find all this information about how humans have
sacrificed animals since basically the beginning of humankind. Well, let's
go forward a little bit. Let's jump up to a
story from nineteen seventy five. Okay, Now this is weird.
This is like the first time that somebody actually claimed
that there was a ritualistic or a cultic practice in
place by a group of individuals that were doing this
on purpose and.
Speaker 1: For a specific reason.
Speaker 2: So there was a prisoner at Fort Leavenworth Prison in Texas,
and he came forward. All these cattle emulations were going
on in the mid seventies, and he came forward and
basically said, hey, I know what's going on. He got
a hold of an ATF agent named Donald Flickinger, Donald
Flickinger Flickinger.
Speaker 1: So in the inmate's name was.
Speaker 2: The inmate's name was Kenneth Baxton. Kenneth Baxton. So here
he is in prison, and for some reason, he's deciding
to tell the story of why and how these cattle
mulations that are now permeating the media are taking place.
So this ATF agent, Flickinger, I love saying that name.
Flickinger goes and interviews him. So Baxton, the inmate, claimed
to have inside knowledge of an occultic group called the
Sons of Satan Oohetan. The information that he gave was
powerful enough that the ATF agent Flickinger, told somebody and
they're like, we're doing a full investigation. So they found
out some really interesting stuff that matched a lot of
the descriptions of the cattle emulations that were going on
in nineteen seventy five. Those things were no tracks found,
drain specific organs, missing UFOs, weird stuff like that. So
this guy says, Okay, I got the inside information. I'm
not one of the Sons of Satan, but I know
somebody who is. And this is how they're doing it
and why they're doing He says, First, what they do
is they go out and they target an animal and
they shoot it with a tranquilizer pellet, so basically they
incapacitate it.
Speaker 1: It's not dead.
Speaker 2: And then they bring with them large sheets of cardboard
that they throw down on the ground so they can
get close to the animal and not put any tracks
on the ground.
Speaker 1: Okay, fairly understandable, yep. And then they go up and
they put a stimulant.
Speaker 2: I think it's a mule nitrate, which is what sometimes
people will use, like if you have a heart condition,
to like speed up your bodily functions. And so they
would use that. They'd dowse someth in a rag or something,
and they'd put it by the animals no, so that
they'd breathe it, and they'd start bringing faster. The heart
would be pumping more and more and more, but they're
still pastated, right, And then they would drain the blood
through an artery somewhere using large veterinary syringes or some
kind of container. So they'd use the body, the animal's
own beating heart and blood pressure to basically drain the
blood out of the animal. And then after that was done,
then they would strategically and surgically cut out the organs
that they wanted to use for their ritual sacrifices.
Speaker 1: And I can guess that their sacrifices were too.
Speaker 2: Satan, Satan probably if they're the sons of Satan. And
so if you think if you look at the most
common things removed, most common organs removed, you're talking about genitalia,
reproductive organs. You're talking about like lungs and heart and
uterus and fetuses and weird stuff. And I don't know
why that's valuable as a sacrifice, but it must be
some because of its techy. Yeah, so maybe something that
was to get pregnant or I don't know. Anyway, it's
like I don't want to think about it too much.
But anyway, so that happened, and that took place in
I think it started in nineteen seventy five, and then
by the end of like nineteen seventy seven, the investigation
kind of stalled. Apparently a Baxton and another guy that
kind of backed up his story that said he had
inside knowledge to sons of Satan cult. They both escaped
their jail, oh boy, and were caught and taken back,
and I think through that they just finally got tired
of messing with these guys and they said, aah, this
is dumb. And basically they said the whole investigation failed
to provide any evidence linking quote nuts and occult groups
quote to cattle mutilations. So there you got it. You
got these like satanic things that are heard of, but
is it really true. Now it's weird that that kind
of became a popular scapegoat satanic panic. Yeah, basically it
kind of helped cause that it was quite prolific in
like the kettle mulation investigation community. There are a lot
of people that were out investigating mutes. That's what they
call mutilations mute, and this investigation got a lot of
people excited. From then on, like sheriff's departments and other
agencies would often use the possibility of some satanic or
a cultic ritual as an excuse.
Speaker 1: Kind of a scapegoat. Yeah, it was kind of like.
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't really know, but it could be a
satanic group or cultiving. So that became very common down
that line. I talked to a sheriff's deputy in Twin
Falls County and he told the story of in the
late nineties this happened. So this was, you know, twenty
years after this Baxton guy, there was a call and
they went up to investigate and there was a dead
caf It was mutilated in weird ways, and it was
on the scene of a makeshift altar, and there were
occultic symbols written and created in blood around this altar
and a lot of graffiti, and the calf's throat was
slit and there were some parts remove genitals, eyes, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Things like that. Right, So, This is similar to the
previous one that suns a sertain thing, but.
Speaker 2: Twenty years later, and if you google it you'll find more.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Out there to this day in fact, and a lot
of times now ranchers don't even want to report this
kind of stuff because if they do, well, that's in
occultic or a Satanic group. So that brings us to
our next story, which is equally weird, but a little
bit different way. So this story is from Cash County, Utah,
which is awesome because I actually went to school in Logan, Utah,
which was in Cash County, cool at Utah State University
down there. So anyway, this took place in like nineteen
seventy six, and during the that time there were like
all these weird sightings of black helicopters and UFOs, so
they were kind of seeing both of these things around.
The ranchers started noticing it, and then there were there
was this like weird coincidence every time they'd see the
black helicopters, within two or three days there would be
reports of cattle mutilations. So area ranchers would call the
Cash County Sheriff's department say Hey, we got some dead
cows and weird things have happened to him. Come check
it out. So they start making this correlation.
Speaker 1: Between the black helicopters slash maybe some UFOs.
Speaker 2: And finding these mutilated cows. Like, the other part of
this that's kind of weird is that at first people
were seeing UFOs. A guy was out watching one of
these what he thought was a UFO and then all
of a sudden, a light turned on inside of a
cockpit and then he could see that no, it wasn't
a UFO. It was actually a helicopter. And the helicopters
were mysteriously silent, they made very little noise.
Speaker 1: Some kind of right secret government tick right.
Speaker 2: And then when the light went off, then it looked
odd again like a UFO light.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was like the rotors and some stuff like
that were causing almost it almost to make it look
like a disc, and without the cockpit light on, it
looked like a UFO.
Speaker 1: And people are.
Speaker 2: Wondering if that was intentional a disinformation campaign.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, this guy, they start noticing these things, they're
reporting different things. The cops are becoming aware, and the
sheriff's deputies got smart and they decided to stake out
kind of the airport when reports of these black helicopters
or UFOs came in. And in nineteen seventy six they
received word that there was a spotting of these black helicopters,
and so in Mass sheriff's deputies converged on the airport.
When they got there, there were three helicopters on the
tarmac right by a small plane.
Speaker 1: Like a lear jet.
Speaker 2: The cop cars came flying in in an attempt to
stop the plane from taking off. The plane did not
divert it kept going and because of that, one of
the sheriff's deputies crashed his car to get out of
the way so that it wasn't destroyed by the.
Speaker 1: Aircraft ticking off.
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, so where do Meanwhile the other cops are
surrounding these black helicopters, and they noticed when they pulled
up that one of the guys got out of the
black helicopter with a silver briefcase, went up to the
plane right before it took off and handed it to
somebody in the cockpit. Then the plane took off, caused
the crash of the sheriff's deputy, and then the other
cops converged on the two black helicopters, and there was
like a little bit of a standoff, and the deputy
or maybe it was even the sheriff basically put his
hands on the individual in the coveralls and was like
basically patting him to see if he had a dog
tags or anything, because apparently they noticed on the doorframe
of the black helicopter that it.
Speaker 1: Said US government on it.
Speaker 2: Oh weird, and so he was looking for dog tags,
thinking it was like some kind of military operation. And
as soon as he did that, the helicopter the people
that were in the helicopter immediately trained fixated on him,
and he felt like he would be killed if he
tried to arrest this guy wed, So they basically backed
off and let the helicopters take off, and then all
of the cattle mutilations and all of the black helicopter
UFO sidings ceased for about five years.
Speaker 1: Crazy in that area.
Speaker 2: In that area, right, they just moved on to somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So like the cops pull up, total chaos for a minute, right,
cop kind of like confronts the guy, starts feeling around,
and then the other guys kind of like may draw
some weapons make their weapons on the helicopter themselves get
out of here. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So the mutilations that were going on in that area
were basic typical cattle mutes.
Speaker 1: No blood, genitalia or main organs, lips, eyelids, sometimes other.
Speaker 2: Things removed, like like livers or yeah, us that kind
of stuff. So something is weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that story is true, If that story
is true, it is like, what the heck is going right,
that is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really weird.
Speaker 1: Story in like Utah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And there are other stories. I mean, gosh, if you're
really interested in this topic, there's tons of stuff. Just
get in there and and dig around, and you'll find
all kinds of stories of people seeing black helicopters, seeing UFOs.
These are common, very common threads. There are actually stories
of people seeing calves lifted into the air.
Speaker 1: Oh boy alive, like in Twister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in Twister, you know, and they're going up
in the air, but then the body's found, you know,
not the same location, just like it's drop somewhere. So
these are really common stories that you'll find as you
dig around. Right, So let's get into some of the
stories that are a little more recent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was weird. There was like an uptake
of these stories as soon as you and I started
recording this stuff. Maybe it's because it was on our radar,
but I feel like it was always on your radar.
It is.
Speaker 2: I mean I always I always heard stuff and I
it would remind me.
Speaker 1: And that's but it feels like as soon as we
started recording these things, we had like, what how many
cows now, like probably ten cows? Yeah, mutilated. So we
started talking about it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, yeah, So which started out, so we went
hunting what that was two weeks ago, about a week ago,
and we went up and we were talking about this.
But that was just after five bulls were mutilated in organ.
Now what's weird about these cows up in these bulls
up in Oregon is that they're still investigating and right
now it's hot on the news. So they had an
article in a newsweek And this was about a week ago,
which would have been about September twelfth, somewhere in that's
on September thirteenth. I heard about it, I think on
September seventh, right before we did our first recorded our
first podcast and released it on nine to eleven. I'd
heard about this case up in Oregon. Five bulls. They
don't know how they died. They're wondering if they used
a nerve agent or something on the the.
Speaker 1: On the bulls.
Speaker 2: A lot of value in these cows there, They're junk
was cut off. It didn't sound like there was a
lot of other kinds of damage, like maybe the other
you know, things weren't cut off. It wasn't like, yeah,
it seemed like these were just the cows and they're
junk cut off. And so this happened just recently up
in Oregon. Close to that, there was another cow I
think in the same area that was mutilated in a
similar way. And then just well it was it would
be three weeks ago now last Saturday, which puts it
right around the first of September. In our neck of
the woods where we grew up down in Twin Falls,
and I used to be a reserve sheriff's deputy used
to call me a Weeni cop in Twin Falls County, Idaho.
Speaker 1: There was a series of mutilations that a.
Speaker 2: Friend of mine in the sheriff's department told me about.
And so I've been trying to dig in and get
a little information, and of course the investigations going on.
Speaker 1: So they're not just handing out right information.
Speaker 2: Really really, we had a request in to get the
full report once it's released, but the investigation is still ongoing.
But I was able to get online, do a little
sleuthing get the name of the owner of the cattle,
and I actually talked to him and his wife. Oh cool, Yeah,
so this took place in Twin Falls County and they
were aware of the five bulls that had been mutilated.
Speaker 1: Up in Oregon. Oregon.
Speaker 2: Now what happened here was weird, so they had a rider.
The South Hills area is quite large. It's in between
the Idaho and Nevada border. So if you go to Kimberley,
Hansen and Myrtaw, which is southern Idaho, and you go
straight south towards Nevada, that's where these took place. And
I thought there were two cows that were mutilated. There
was actually three cow deaths up there. Only one of
the cows belonged to the person I talked to. The
other ones belonged to another individual. I've been trying to
get a hold of him. I haven't been able to
contact him yet, and then they're not sure on the
third cow was actually a bull. They're not sure who
that belonged to. The story goes something like this. The
writer or cow han is out there riding keeping track
of the cows. And this is like a co op.
So this works is a small rancher can't afford to
hire a full time hand.
Speaker 1: To go up and watch the cows.
Speaker 2: So what they do is they get a co op
established and they get you know, seven or eight ranchers
all having cattle with their unique brands. And then they
go up in this in different areas, usually on Blm land,
and they feed the cows. It saves them a lot
of money and hey in that kind of feed. And
then this guy rides around and make sure they're all okay,
kind of keeps tracking well, right, So one day he's
out right around and he finds a dead cow. This
one was shot. It had blood coming out of its
ear or behind its ear, and it was right by
a watering trough. And I actually have the the locations pinned,
and I've got a screen grab that I'll put up
on on our link section so you can see the
area where each of these cows were so this one,
you know, you think, up some vandal shot this guy
shot this. This poor cow was there and maybe he
was up deer hunting.
Speaker 1: And he got mad and he didn't get anything, so
he shot this cow.
Speaker 2: Although your season wasn't going yet.
Speaker 1: Was it? Probably not if you're a poacher, was going on.
Speaker 2: If you're going to shoot a cow, then you probably
wouldn't care about season. So anyway, dead cow there, rider
finds it. It's sad, but not not uncommon, and that's
really strange, just stupid. So then he writes a lot
longer and he finds a dead bull and apparently it
had no obvious markings.
Speaker 1: Of what what killed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was within maybe a quarter of a
mile of the of the first cow that was by
the watering trough, and so he's like, well, that's weird.
Two cows and two different brands, so it wasn't the
same owner. He keeps riding and he goes up to
another spring area and there's another dead cow, but this one,
the third one, has all of the classic mutilation stuff, blood, drained,
eyes missing. The wife of the owner of the cow
was in a truck. She didn't want to go up
and look at it, but apparently it had died and
fallen where I had been dumped in the springs or
you know, some fresh water that comes out of the hill.
There had been dumped there. And their grandkids were with them.
So the grandkids went up with them, and the grandmother
was a little bit stressed about It's like, I don't
know if we want you to see this. But they
come back and they're kind of joking, like, man, grandma,
it looks like somebody cut a box out of the
back of the cow's hind end. So basically somebody had
gone in and surgically removed the backside of this animal.
Speaker 1: Weird. Yeah, so the legs were on, legs were on, yeah,
So whether they like just like got in there, it
wasn't like they were butchering it or like, yes, quartering it.
Speaker 2: The wife told me, the grandma told me that nothing
that you would take for meat was taken off the animal,
just the weird bits, weird, the weird bits, the classic
mute bits.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: So I'm talking to her and she goes, yeah, this
was the same kind of thing that happened last year.
And I said what, and she said, yeah, last year
we had a cow that was killed, and she said
that one was even more weird because that one was pregnant.
The cow was dead, eyes removed, ear cut off, part
of the jaw gone, blood drained, calf removed, all genitals gone,
utters gone. That's crazy, yeah, the mutilation stuff. So what
I find is kind of weird is like in that incident,
you have three dead cows. With basically every incidence that
we just talked about, we have the stupid vandal or
somebody shooting vandalizing property, you're shooting a cow. You have
something that looks like who knows what an animal out
there that could have been, you know, killed by a
satanic cult.
Speaker 1: And then you have this.
Speaker 2: One a year earlier that is obviously the classic category. Now,
just so you know, at the time of this, this
has not reached media. I don't think the owners have
you know, reached out to media at all. It hasn't
gone viral like the five bowls up in an organ.
But it is a very strange thing that this happened
within just a couple of weeks of the original or
the with the stuff in the stuff up in organ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all kind of happens at the same time.
Speaker 2: Same time as they say it like goes in waves
like every five years.
Speaker 1: It's like the Mothman or something.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, that's another thing they talk about, the Mothman.
The writer of it, of the Mothman prophecies, actually did
some cattle mutilation investigations.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But the other thing that strikes me about this, So
we're here in southern Idaho and where a stone's throw
away from Nevada and Utah and Oregon. Yeah, all of
these locations are relatively close to government place places. Yeah,
and like if you go south or even here in
southern Idaho, or go towards Idaho Falls or into northern
Utah or down into air bases and also locations of
nuclear testing. Yeah, so I mean you start thinking about that.
I haven't looked in other regions of the United States
because cattle mulition is across the board, but it's still
like something that maybe I should look into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are all of.
Speaker 2: These things somewhere close to these kind of government locations.
Speaker 1: That'd be something. And then the other thing.
Speaker 2: I think about is like once with all of the
of the paranormal UFO extraterrestrial kind of encounters that surround
cattle mulations, right. If you get on Linda Moulton Howell's site, you'll,
you know, discover very quickly. She's like, definitely an extraterrestrial
believer that these things are connected. Betsy Lewis, who we
talked when we kicked off the show. Interesting, she claims
to be a psychic, astrologer, numerologist, and Earth mysteries investigator.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, that's her claim.
Speaker 2: That's her claim. Yeah, I mean that's self proclaimed. But
she's very sincere. I mean, you read your stuff. She's
not like trying to be extra sensational any more than any.
Speaker 1: Of this it already is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she believes something's going on, and she believes
that she has some abilities that help her kind of
decipher some of this stuff. Believe that or don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's up to you guys.
Speaker 2: But for me, the very fact that she's in touch
with some of these consistencies across all these different types
of cattle deaths is very intriguing to me. Whether or
not she's onto something with aliens and UFO's that's a
topic for another day, Yeah, which is a topic we're
going to tackle next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys, should you know listeners should just
kind of think about these things. We've gone through all
of these and you may have noticed kind of a
pattern or an arrangement in the way we presented these
stories categories from kind of more or logical explanations to
some where it's just like the cow's calf was missing,
or you know why they cut off the top of
its head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just weird things.
Speaker 1: So you kind of have a vast array of cattle mulations,
which is not something you want on your hands. And
we've just.
Speaker 2: Spoken about a very few literally the tip of the iceberg.
Since in nineteen ninety they said that there have been
hundreds of thousands of cattle mutilations in the late nineties,
so from seventy five when they started kind of keeping
track of this stuff. The best guess is there's been
up to a million cattle mutilations throughout the world since
the seventies.
Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, it's everywhere.
Speaker 2: A lot of them aren't reported, So what in the
heck is going on? Yeah? And I have my theories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got my theories too, and we're going to
talk about those theories. Yeah next time.
Speaker 2: And I hope you guys get your theories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come up with some theories. Do we have a
forum or anything on our.
Speaker 2: Page we can do We can definitely I could put
a forum on there.
Speaker 1: We're going to put up before them maybe Yeah, topic
thread that you guys here, we doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd love to hear your thoughts and ideas.
Speaker 1: You can go in there and type it up and
argue with each other and try not to call each
other mean names.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say real quick, I've got
a new email address for anyone who wants to share
their strange stories. We've been asking for your story so
for a future podcast.
Speaker 1: That email is now my.
Speaker 2: Story at a Strange thing dot com. So very simple.
You can attach if you want to. You can attach
your own voice recording of you narrating the story if
you want to give that a shot. Up to three
meg should be fine, or you can just type it
out and then we'll read it on the show.
Speaker 1: Pictures or anything like that. Also welcome to support materials
be awesome, so share those with us.
Speaker 2: We're trying to put that podcast together. It's gonna be
a lot of fun. We're getting some cool stories, some
really weird stuff, some stuff that makes you.
Speaker 1: Go, oh my gosh, that happened.
Speaker 2: So anyway, share more stories with us. We're gonna pick
like probably five or six four or five six, something like.
Speaker 1: That and put them on.
Speaker 2: But until then, let your imaginations run wild.
Speaker 1: Try to figure out what could be doing this strange
cattle mutilation stuff. What are they all about, what's causing them,
what are bovine moodilations about. It's not just silly stories
on a podcast.
Speaker 2: No, something the farious is going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, all right.
Speaker 2: So until next time, have a great week, be strange.
Speaker 1: Join us next time for a cold drink and some
strange conversations.
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