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It's a Thursday, November sixth edition of Cougar Sports. Get
your pre you're ready for that BYU Texas Tech matchup.
An iconic game in BYU football history.
Speaker 3: Indeed it is.
Speaker 1: They've only played a few times, right, they've only played twice,
and it's one and one. The inn intial game with
nineteen forty Tech knocked off them Coug's before they were
actually a football program. They were probably BYU Academy at
that time, essentially a high school football program. But the
Cougars won the last matchup in Spitgate twenty seven or
fourteen in twenty twenty three in Provo. It was a
great win, and Joey McGuire though, doing great things down
there in Lubbock, resurrecting a program that had tremendous potential.
And now it seems that Texas Tech and BYU are
on a trajectory, right, are on a trajection become the
iconic brands of the Big twelve. Not everyone's buying into
BYU being that brand just yet.
Speaker 3: But we had ESPN the fan.
Speaker 1: We understand the organizational design, the cohesion, the chemistry, the
Kalate Satake culture that he's been built over the last
ten years, and it's about to happen. It's about to
happen in my opinion. Now, that's not taking anything away
from Utah. They're gonna be a good football program, no doubt,
and they they're gonna fight tooth and nail to be
that iconic brand ambassador of the Big Twelve. I'm sure
Baylor and TCU have something to say it. I'm sure
rich Rod is like, wait, give me a few years
and then will bring back the mid two thousands era
of of Pat Wide and Steve Slayte. We're gonna resurrect
our programming into something right. We'll be the brand ambassador
of the Big twelve. But right now it seems like
BYU and Texas Tech are the favorites. And I was
looking in preparation for the shows, looking at college game
day history for these respective programs, and what's interesting is
their last heyday, it seems, was at the same time
almost twenty years ago, when Tech was seemingly at the
top of the food chain in college football for a moment,
for a brief moment, and BYU football was winning double
digit games or doublegit games in regular season from six
to nine. So, last time game day was in Lubbock
was November one, two thousand and eight, when number seven
Texas Tech played number one Texas was the Michael Crabtree game.
I remember that game. I mean, it's still emblazoned in
my memory. It's an indelible memory that I have. That
back shoulder that he took to the house, took to
the crib.
Speaker 3: It was glorious. Last time BYU was.
Speaker 1: Our game day was in Provo was October twenty four,
two thousand and nine, when number eight TCU took on BYU,
a ranked foe. And so it's been a minute but
sixteen years since game day went to Lubbock, in fifteen
years since they came to Provo. But now both of
these teams are top ten in college football, and they're
trending in a new direction, the same similar direction that
they were at in the two thousands. But what happened
BYU went independent, they had to go independent, and Texas
Tech lost their maybe iconic coach due to a bit
of a controversy Mike Leach and Mike Leach went over
to Washington State and after Washington State ended up at
Mississippi State. So it's crazy what happens to programs and
the trajectory that they're on and how sometimes they get
deviated from that trajectory and they're maybe their high level potential.
So I wanted to bring that up as we start
the show because I feel like in my bosom's in
my in my bosom, in my plums right deep down
that this these two teams will be the brand ambassadors
for the Big Twelve that Brett your Mark is hoping
to separate from the pack.
Speaker 3: Right when I chatted with Bret your.
Speaker 1: Mark at Big twelve Media Days, that's what he told me.
Speaker 3: He's like, eventually we want some teams to separate.
Speaker 1: Right now, the parody talk, parody, parody, parody, parody, it's
all about parody, right But eventually you want some teams
to separate in within that brand, the Big twelve brand,
And that's what we're getting. That's what we're seeing right now,
and I hope it lives up to the hype. This
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Why don't we fired up the ESPN The Fans starting
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and the rest of the start cut a cat joining
us for this Thursday edition of Cougar Sports. Let's start
off first and promos with my executive producer, the guy
behind the Glass. Today we got Ronald the three man
Weaver leading us to glory victory today, Ronnie, how you living?
Speaker 3: I'm living good, Ben and great to be here. Happy
tours to everybody.
Speaker 4: Only one more show after today, so I guess two
in total. And then we want to take Park Texas
teching side and see with the number seven cooks too.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
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us today, AP, how you living?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 4: I'm living great and I'm coming in as I usually do,
with a couple of hot eggs.
Speaker 3: Okay, give you the hot takes, give you the playgu So.
Speaker 4: People have been debating where this game falls in BYU history,
whether it's the biggest or not. I'm here to say
it is the fourth biggest game in BYU history. My
rankings go number one natural championship. I don't think you
could top that unless you win a national championship. I
think number two is beating Miami nineteen ninety It's the
number one team in the country.
Speaker 3: Hard to argue with that.
Speaker 4: And then I think number three is the ninety six
Cotton Bowl beating Kansas State I think that's bigger because
it's five or fourteen New Year's Bowl. Sure, so I
think that's and then but with that said, that makes
this the second biggest regular season game in BYU history.
And my second hot take of the day is the
winner of this game should move up at least three
spots in the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: They should be Whoever wins this game should be top five,
no doubt.
Speaker 4: I think I think if BYU wins, they should jump BAMA,
Georgia and Ole Miss because they will have something that
they'll they'll finally have that top ten type win that
all those programs have, but they won't have the loss
that they have. And I think if Texas Tech wins,
they should jump obviously BYU, Ole Miss in Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think there was an argument we brought
this up.
Speaker 1: David Hall put out an article ESPN dot Com ESPN
writer analyst. He said that the number one team that
should be angry right now with a resume, with their
strength of record, their their strength of schedule is actually BYU.
That was the number one his anger index, if you will.
And so look, I'm not gonna say here and be
angry about number seven but look, I think there is
some there's an algorithm that that says, you know what, Yeah,
there's enough metrics to conclude in your favor if you
want to be angry about it, I think BO fans
are just like, we're just happy to be here. We're
just happy to be here. To not be disrespected. We're
happy to be here, happy to be a part of
the club where, you know, happy to be a part
of the new money, the new power brokers of college football.
Just happy to be part of the team. That's it.
Speaker 3: So you could have put us at ten and we'd
be like, that's a little bit disrespectful.
Speaker 1: But we're still happy to be you know, like, I
don't know how we made it. We're here, We're at
the dance. But to your point, Okay, was the b
YU I've had this debate with somebody yesterday. But was
the BYU Utah game bigger than this game?
Speaker 3: U uh?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean I think all of these games sequentially
become bigger and bigger. Now from a rankings standpoint, yeah,
it's BYU vers texts, but like, look, I will still
go back. I think if you pull BYU fans in
this regard, yes, they want to go to the Big
twel Championship.
Speaker 3: Yes, they want to go to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: But baseline human nature is what have we beat our
rival and how many times have we beat the beaten
them in a row? And are we gonna win the
in state recruiting battle so that we can, you know,
gradually uh found you know, from foundation up start beating
them every single year. So I would say the b
YU Utah game is was just as bigger, bigger than
this game and the reason for it.
Speaker 3: And it's a really interesting debate for me.
Speaker 1: Texas you can lose to Texas Tech and still get
to the Big twelve Championship and still get to the CFP.
Speaker 4: You could, but I think it's a little bit difficult.
I think you have to.
Speaker 1: I think a one loss b YU team gets in.
No I s or buch about it. One loss to
Texas Tech, You're in the Big twelve Championship.
Speaker 4: But so it's not if you win this game, you've
almost cemented your spot.
Speaker 3: If you lose two games on the back end, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: If do you have two games you have you have
two game tie breakers? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean what if you beat Texas Tech here and
you lose two other games on the back end, do
you do you get in?
Speaker 3: Do you still get it to do?
Speaker 4: I think if you beat Texas Tech, I can't see
you losing the Cincinnati Yeah. I I honestly, I think
the most difficult they head to.
Speaker 1: Head tiebreakers of Texas Tech over TEXAEG and Utah.
Speaker 3: You get in for me.
Speaker 4: For me, actually the most difficult game after Texas Tech
is TCU because it's like that Arizona State game where
nobody's talking about TCU is nically like six and two,
they're still good. There's six and two people don't people
act like they're a five and four team right now.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting debate. Like I'm perfectly I'm open
to hearing it out, like biggest game, biggest regular season,
one of the biggest games in BWAU football history.
Speaker 3: I think we're we're we're in that mode right now.
Speaker 1: You say it's number two, the second biggest regular season
in a game in BWAU football history. You know, I
feel that, and and very it could very well be
that if BYU is a two lost team, but they
beat Texas Tech this weekend, they still get into the
Big twelve Championship.
Speaker 4: I think it well because and here here's where I'm
saying that Texas Tech is bigger than Utah this year.
Obviously not every year, but this year is that Texas
Tech is basically guaranteed to win out because the last
two games are incredibly easy for them, but Utah is not.
Like I think Utah is gonna handle Baylor, and they're
probably gonna handle Kansas, but Kansas State is a little
bit sneaky for me. I'm not sure Utah does win out.
I think most likely they do, but there's a much
higher chance of Texas Tech winning out and that game
holding up as an amazing win for BYU on their resume.
Speaker 3: Can't wait to delvin all the Knoks and cranny's.
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All right, let's get in to some of the sound bites. U.
Jy Hill commentary from yesterday. Body Scoonover is coming off
one of his best games two sacks. How has he
been from your eyes this season?
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of our most improved players has had a
huge impact in a bunch of games. Love his progression
and the great thing is. He just keeps getting better
and better. So I think the future is so bright
for him. He's just going to continue to make more
and more plays.
Speaker 1: Body Schoonover is one of the most unheralded players on
this BYU football rosters, and judging by his recruitment, it
shouldn't be that way, right. He was backing up a
pretty gosh dang good football player for a few years though,
the man, the myth, the legend, Tyler Batty, who's playing
right now and balling out for the Vikings.
Speaker 3: So that strong side.
Speaker 1: Defensive end position, Okay, he's been competing with one of
the best defensive ends in BYU football history.
Speaker 3: That's tough, that's difficult, and so I feel for him.
Speaker 1: Furthermore, he's also competing with vill Puha, who is not
too bad and comes from a good lineage. His father
is the defensive line coach, so it's not like he's
got this easy path to become the starter by any means. Okay,
his recruiting pro while signing in the twenty twenty class
six four, two hundred and fifteen pounds out of American
Fork Utah, he had BYU UCLA, Utah, Utah State and
others that came knocking. Body kind of shut it down.
Though he became a BYU commit pretty early on, so
she shut it down. He would have been more than
likely a four star recruit in my opinion, had he
kept it open. Number forty eight is a baller. Number
forty eight. I call him the bull because bulls are
very difficult to stop. When he gets going, okay, when
he gets linear, he is a tough guy to slow down.
Six three two sixty five right now. And he's got
really he's got a really good powerful base. He's got
a really good lower half that just drives through contact,
and he's getting better with his hands. Go watch that
speed rush that he got a sack on swipes the hand,
double swipe of the hands, coming around the edge and
then finishing the play. High MO High Football IQ most
improved player. As you're giving him more reps, he's reps.
He's going to continue to get better.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, Well, he's He's also changed positions during
his time at BYU because he was a linebacker in
high school, so he had to learn play defensive end.
Body is one of those guys, as you mentioned that
people kind of sat and wondered is he ever going
to develop? And it's because, first off, he was an
absolutely loaded linebacker room. That room's been loaded for years.
We've always had I don't want to say always, but
for the most part, BYU's had really good linebackers, and
so they move him to defensive end, and like you said,
he's behind a Tyler Battie. The great thing about that
is he's had a lot of time to learn lots
of different aspects of Jay Hill's playbook, and so he's
becoming one of the smarter players on the team, not
only learning his position, but he does know other positions.
He knows how the defense is supposed to function, and
I think that plays to his advantage as he's he
had a bit of a coming out party in his
last game. He had his first sack of the year,
and then he followed up with another one. The defensive ends,
just as a unit, have come out a lot in
the last few games. There's I think it was the
first six games they didn't have a sack, and then
Utah and Iowa State they had really productive games.
Speaker 1: Well, body, is it bodes well to have body in
the lineup right now? Is all I got to say,
because he's getting better and better. Now, Jay, how would
you grade the defensive line coming off a bye week.
Speaker 5: Well, I like where they're at. We're getting more stout
each game. I think we're good right now, run am pass,
there's so many good things that they are doing. The
last two games they run the ball a little bit
against us, but not inside. We've been very stout inside.
So I think it all starts with those guys.
Speaker 1: Big hosses up front, eating up blockers and pushing everything
to the outside.
Speaker 3: We saw that versus Utah.
Speaker 1: The Utah didn't want any part of running inside because
they knew that they wouldn't have success. They kept tending
him off the bray and they ran the ball effectively
off tackle. Let's be honest, like it wasn't our best
rush defense performance, one of our worst in fact, And
so I think most teams are gonna want to go outside,
and it'll be great to have Jack Kelly and Isaiah
glask are finally healthy to be able to elongate and
extend those plays horizontally. That may be one of the
biggest things for BYU's defense versus Texas Techs offense and
limiting rushing yards is the fact that they're not gonna
be They're not gonna be able to run in between
the tackles, and you hope that Jack Kelly and Isaiah
Glasgar for two weeks of rest, not really Isaiah with
his lower extremity and Jack rehabbing his upper body his shoulders,
that they're capable of extending those plays of the sideline.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I want to say that the the Utah game
was more of an edge problem right with the rushing,
but Iowa State, to me, it felt like that the
rushing ability of Iowa State on BYU felt like that
was more on the linebackers. Would you would you agree
with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 1: Need to I may have to go back and look
at tape one more time on that to be overly conclusive.
But like our linebackers have struggled, they've been hearince injuries, right,
and then Max Alford, you know, being placed into that
mac linebacker spot remember went out. Yeah, I mean I
think you could say a.
Speaker 4: Lot of young players in that game that haven't seen
a lot of playing time.
Speaker 3: I'd say that it's probably an accurate depiction.
Speaker 1: As you post the question, as I reflect back on
that game in my mind, and what I remember about
it and missed assignments, missed fits.
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: So it'll be nice. It's too weeks enough time to
get fully healthy. Maybe not, but I mean Isaiah has
been playing through it. Jack's been playing through it, so
I think it bodes will.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, especially with Isaac Glaster, I think it's
harder for Jack Kelly to get fully healthy. But I
think at least for me, in my experience and my injuries,
my ankles have healed up a lot better than my
shoulders have. But uh, I guess it just depends on
the severity of the injuries. It is. It is promising
looking at the injury report that a lot of guys
that have been out for a while are coming back
like a Jojo Phillips.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think the overall health of the team is
trending up.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: As far as the linebackers are concerned, What are you
looking at or how we look at health wise?
Speaker 5: Well, I think they're healthier than they've been for the
last three or four weeks, which is huge for us.
I don't know that they're one hundred percent full go,
but I don't know that anybody at this stage of
the season, So I would say better than they've been,
but not like they were the first game of.
Speaker 3: The season, So they're.
Speaker 4: Right, I would take I would take eighty five ninety yeah,
and I take that with I would say, if the
Way's linebackers are eighty five ninety percent, I'm pretty confident
that we can hold their offense and give our offense
a chance to win the game.
Speaker 1: Gotta hope for the best from that linebacking corps. What aspects, Jay,
are you focused on heading into the Texas Tech game.
Speaker 5: We get we've got to continue to be stout against
the run. That's where we've had a little bit of problems.
I would say the last two weeks a couple of
creases that we gave up that we got to be
better with. We've given up a few too many of
those long drives, you know, the ten plus play drives.
We can do a better job of getting out of
drives early. That would just keep us fresher as the
games will wear on. But this is a tough, resilient defense.
Even when they got their backs against the wall, they've
shown up in the right times and they've done that
all year.
Speaker 1: There's been a few moments right where I think fatigue,
you know, the exhaustion of long drives is uh exposed
some things. But they they typically they fortify as a
as a unit. Once the red zone is ultimately uh
uh is uh eclipse and they're getting into like that,
the opposing offense is getting into the red zone. It
seems like we figure out, hey, we gotta, we gotta,
you know, settle in and they create stops and force
field goals obviously, but he doesn't want those long sustained drives.
Speaker 3: It hurts field position battles.
Speaker 1: It just does and uh and it and it does
tire out your football team too, and exposes you more
to injuries. Nor Muscular fatigue is a real thing. Whenever
you have nor muscular fatigue, exhaustion sets in, right, and
you gotta you gotta be really judicious and it's smart
about how you're uh inserting your your backups, defensive line,
uh the linebackers, even your secondary and you do expose
yourself more injuries with with nor muscular fatigue. So it's
all it's it's it's it's not just a race, right,
it's a bit of a marathon in a college football season,
and and so he's he's still concerned about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he mentioned in there that that we've been
gashed a little bit by the run. I think this
game is going to be largely determined by the performances
of the running backs because l J. Martin and Cameron
Dickie have pretty similar stats. They're both over seven hundred
yards rushing, they both have several touchdowns. I think it's
really gonna be like he mentioned, by has got to
be stout and stop the run. It feels like the
last few weeks BYU's defensive philosophy has been we're gonna
let you like they they've let opponents drive on them
a bit, but they've just been counting on it not
being explosive plays and accounting on them making a mistake
on the end.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Billy's read some defense, by the way, ranks number six
nationally and topson the Big Twelve, allowing a conversion rate
of sixty nine point two percent. Opponents have reached the
red zone twenty six times and converted just eighteen into points,
with only eleven being touchdowns.
Speaker 3: That seems a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: So wait, so twenty six times and converted just eighteen
into points.
Speaker 3: We may have to look at that status.
Speaker 4: They so if they've been in the red zone twice
six times, they've yeah, eighteen of those guys have been
points to eleven touchdown, seven field goals.
Speaker 3: Eleven touchdown, seven field goals.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, the Texas Tech rush attack is one of
the best in the conference. What stood out to you,
J Hill on the film the way they run the ball.
Speaker 5: Well, they have very good players. I think they're good
in every position group from the old line to the
tight ends, running backs, receivers, quarterback. They're very balanced, they
can run it, they can throw it, they're veteran. They've
got a lot of players that have played a lot
of college football reps. So we definitely have our work.
Speaker 4: Cutout for us.
Speaker 3: There are no weakness.
Speaker 1: There are no weaknesses personnel wise at Texas Tech right now,
very very few, if any. Like it's hard to even
it's start to diagnose that on film, and they really don't.
So you hope that mistakes are had in my opinion,
from the offense, you know, giveaways from the offense. I
think Texas Tech is essentially an equivalent team at taking
the ball away they do it a little bit differently,
maybe not as many picks, but.
Speaker 4: More force fumbles, which is insane like that feels.
Speaker 1: So they're right on pace with takeaways with BYU right
in turnover margin. Will not necessarily turnover margin though, but
they are up there where they at turnover margin wise.
Speaker 3: I'll have to pull that up real quick.
Speaker 1: But but they just take the ball away extremely well,
and they just do it a little bit differently than BYU.
Speaker 3: Let's take a brief time out. We'll come back.
Speaker 1: Bear more Shorton is an interesting study at their quarterback position.
He's been very good at times when he's healthy, but
also can be prone to making a few mistakes and
hopefully Jay Hill can expose that. We'll discuss Barrel Morton
on the flip side. But that was your nitty gritty
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college game Day. The Cougars are oh and three in
those games.
Speaker 4: Really, I thought still oh and three. I knew that
SAT a few years ago. I thought, for some reason
we'd cracked that owing three. Baby, will we break the curse?
Speaker 1: Texas Tech is playing their fifth game check this out
with a one in three record.
Speaker 3: Who's gonna you know?
Speaker 1: I hope we break the game day curse on the
biggest stages in the modern era, BYU football has fluttered.
Speaker 3: Bro, I was a part of it.
Speaker 1: Like six, we should have been a playoff or a
BCS busting team. We had a ton of NFL talent
offensively and defensively. And we lost in essentially double overtime
to Boston College. And we lost by a fifty two
yard game winning field goal to U of A at
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goals in the NFL for the Jets right now. And
that's when kickers struggled to make things forty plus. It's
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college kickers can make a forty.
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Speaker 3: We haven't been able to get over the hump.
Speaker 1: We haven't been able to get ever since post nineteen
eighty four. The only thing that we have really going
for is is ninety is, which you've mentioned one of
the biggest games in BLI football history, along with the
Miami Game and the National Championship game with the win
over Michigan. What was the regular season game that you
said the Miami the Miami game was with the regular
season regular season had the biggest one because of all
of all of the things that that surrounded that that
particular game with the number one team coming into provo.
Speaker 3: But You're gonna go into an.
Speaker 1: Away shetting, a volatile and violent setting, a rockush and
wild one and college game is going to be present.
What makes us believe that blas built different than it
has been in the past.
Speaker 4: I think You've got a different kind of quarterback than
BYU has ever had, to be honest, like b Way,
You's had a lot of great quarterbacks, but none of
them play the game quite the way that Bear Bachmeyer does.
None of like Taysom Hill, had the size, but Taysom
Hill was not as accurate of a thrower. He was
much faster. Let's get that out there. Here's a I
think Taysom Hill is a better athlete because he's probably
the greatest athlete ever to come out of BYU. But
BYU has never had a quarterback play the game like this,
and he's coming off of bye week. He's had plenty
of time to get film on this Texas Tech defense.
Texas Tech is also on its sixth straight game. That's
when injuries start to happen. I think that could be
a big factor. I think Texas Tech might see a
few guys go down as the physicality of the game
goes on, and I think that if BYU is going
to win this, I think they have to show up.
They have to be physical from the beginning, and they
have to wear down what has to be a pretty
tired Texas Tech team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm intrigued, right, Like I believe they're built different
because of the refining fire of independence, wending their way
through the wilderness of independence forty year like the Israelites
of old, you know what I mean, just wandering, praying
for mana, praying for opportunity, praying for an undefeated season,
just to get to a bowl game not named the
Independence Free Vegas Ball, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like you're like, oh, man, you know they or the
points that the Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, at least you're going to San
Diego though, right, yeah, you know, at least you're going.
Speaker 3: To San Diego.
Speaker 1: You may not get, you know, per premier matchup, you
know when we're in the Vegas Bowl era, in the
Mountain West Conference era. Like you got one in twenty fifteen, right,
you got one in two thousand and two with BYU
and Utah.
Speaker 3: That was it was a great ball, great bowl.
Speaker 1: Two nine win teams that were fighting for a ten
win season in Vegas, you know, but like it was
just intermittent like these Bowl games, and you went through
the refining fire, though the vicissitudes of independence, and you
built a program, you know, with grit and with fortitude
and fine, you got into you got the invite, and
you started kind of building up your resource budget and
you started hiring more recruiters, You started hiring more admin staff,
You started hiring uh, more individuals to support a premiere program,
a power football program. You got the invite to the
Big twelve, and you're now getting those resources and with
those resources comes nil money, and you're just built a
little bit different.
Speaker 3: Now, Are we over the hump yet?
Speaker 1: Are we like tried and true and sober fined that
we can win these games?
Speaker 3: To be determined now?
Speaker 1: Were But we're winning some pretty gush damn close, good, competitive,
high quality premiere games right now this season. Uh and
and it seems like we're on we're at a kind
of a tipping point, like we're we're on that threshold
of breaking into that breaking that ceiling, that that glass
ceiling that has held us for so long from getting
into the the the big time games. Postseason six seven nine,
Great Football, Great Football, teams NFL talent just couldn't get
over the hump. Twenty twenty couldn't get over the hump.
Twenty twenty one, couldn't get over the hump. Two thousand
and four couldn't get over the hump. Four way tie,
couldn't do it. You got to the Alamo bole.
Speaker 3: Great job.
Speaker 1: Now we want that next step. Before it was the
BCS computers. Now we have the College FOOTBA play off,
an extand playoff, and you still couldn't get in, right,
You still couldn't get in. Now's the time, Now's the place,
in my opinion. So let's get back to j Hill
what he had to say, and then I'll get some
other questions that I've been posing the cougarnation. Let's go
to number seven scattering report, Baron Morton. It's Bear Bachmer
versus Baron Morton. That's kind of interesting, is it not?
I mean, any when talking about that, I don't know
what he is? Does Baron Morton go by Bear?
Speaker 4: I feel like someone probably called him that? I mean,
come on, how can you not bear?
Speaker 1: When in college football history have there been two individuals
with either the name or the nickname Bear going up
against each other at quarterback.
Speaker 3: Never never.
Speaker 1: In Lubbock the college game day on hand, there has
to be go to his profile. There's he's got to
have a nickname. He's Baron Morton has to have people
that call him Bear. There's no way, Like if I
had a buddy named Baron Bear, right, I'd be I
wouldn't say Barn.
Speaker 3: I'd be saying Bear, wouldn't.
Speaker 4: You, Especially if you grow up playing football, you have
a nickname. I guarantee you. His high school, his middle school,
little league teammates called him bear like.
Speaker 1: There has to be people in his circle that call
him bear. This is insane and I can't believe I
haven't talked about it at all this week.
Speaker 4: It's the bear Bral.
Speaker 1: It's the Bear. It's the Bear Bral. Anyway, let's get
into quarterback Baron Morton. Bear Morton returned from injury against
KTCHS State. What challenges does he pos?
Speaker 3: You know? He throws it very good.
Speaker 5: He's played a lot of college football. He's smart.
Speaker 3: You can see he goes to the.
Speaker 5: Right places with the ball and so yeah, he's playing
good football.
Speaker 1: Baron Morton been playing for a long time too. He's
a ten yured talent, right, he's been bawling for a
few years now. He started off his career at Texas
Tech and he's been.
Speaker 3: With him ever since. He's from Eastland, Texas. Six to twenty.
Speaker 1: It's a big body. Not bear Bachmeyer big, but pretty big.
It was bear Bachmeyer at at the beginning of fall
camp per you know, the Sports information department, and Ronald
and I showed up to.
Speaker 3: Fall camp and like he told, he told us two
thirty five, and he does not look to it, and
then they corrected it.
Speaker 4: We were on the elevator coming down right after the
Utah game and they said it'll be updated to two thirty.
I'm like, all right, because I'm like, he's not two twenty.
That's some cats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't believe it for a second.
Speaker 4: It was one of those stats like every every team
does it where they put in the wrong like they
inflate someone's height, yeah, or they you know. Sure, they
thought they could get away with that one until people
sat down and thought, this kid.
Speaker 1: Is not too twenty. He's at least to just look
at my legs. There's a possibility he gets up to
two forty two hundred of his poundage is in his
lower half. I'm just saying, but Baron, what's interesting. He's
his completion percentage. His career completion percentage is what bear
Bachmeiers is. I think for the season sixty two point
seven percent. Fun fact of the day, he's thrown one
and fifteen times.
Speaker 3: As a college football player. That's a lot of throws.
Speaker 1: Six hundred and ninety nine comps and fifty six yards
through the air, seven point one yard per tamp, sixty
four touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And twenty six hinets.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's got an overall quarterback rating of one thirty
six point nine, but this year he's won seventy point four.
Speaker 3: Doesn't run the ball whole lot.
Speaker 1: It's not the dual threat that byus maybe become accustomed
to this season.
Speaker 3: Is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing?
Would you like a running quarterback? Again? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's nice to hit a quarterback because he's
running around extending plays. And I think we've gotten after
quarterbacks and times that like to run, and we make
them pay a little bit. They have to pay their pennants,
they have to pay their tax, right, they have to
pay the tax, They have to pay the toll.
Speaker 4: I think by you got into. I mean they played
Caiden Salter. They they got him back eighteen yards. I
think gonna play Isaiah Glasker. Devin devp Here took a
few hits from Byu. By's gonna make sure that if
you run, they're gonna they're gonna hit you, and they're
gonna hit you pretty hard. They're gonna let you know that.
You know, we're not gonna We're not gonna let this
slide type of deal like you see in the NFL
where Patrick Mahomes starts to go down and everyone you know,
walks away.
Speaker 1: If you run against Byu, they're gonna lay you out.
Yeah that no doubt about it. I know if handsw
or buts about it. Let's get back to the sound. Uh.
Folatile Satawala leading the team in tackles, guys leading the
things in strong safety. He had a big gamers that
Iowa State. How has he progressed this season?
Speaker 5: Well, super proud of him because he's another one of
those guys that just keeps getting better and better every game.
He's making a lot of huge plays right now. You
can just see his progress coming.
Speaker 3: So proud of just.
Speaker 5: Where he's at right now. And again He's another one
that he's just scratching the surface on what he's going
to become.
Speaker 3: Just scratching the surface of what he can become.
Speaker 1: Thus far this season, he's been a boon for byu
Folla Taos Satawala. He's overachieved, Like as far as individuals
over choosing the expectation that Cougarnation and even the fan
base the media members have put on him. Follow Town
and bear Bachmer had like neck and neck for.
Speaker 4: Me, follow Tub has been really good.
Speaker 1: I mean like, I did not expect this from Falla Town.
I know he's a four star, but I did not
expect him to be this good this season. I thought, hey,
junior year, senior year, he'd be really good. Not this year,
especially judging off of what I saw last year. I
was like, yeah, he was okay, he's okay, he's coming
into his own, he's developing.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a He's.
Speaker 1: A great talent that needs to develop into a safety.
He's played really well once they've moved him into the box,
which that's where I prognosticated him. I thought he was
gonna be an outside linebacker anyway, and when they roll
him up into the box, he is a game changer
for BYU.
Speaker 4: It's like, is there anyone on the defense off the
top of your head that you can say is definitively
better than Satwala.
Speaker 1: Thus far this season, no fifty three tackles, thirty two solo,
twenty one assisted, six and a half TfL's one sack,
two force fumbles, two PPUs.
Speaker 3: Two I and t's for passes defense, did one touchdown?
Speaker 1: The only players there's only maybe last year Johnson, Yeah,
last year Lasker was disimpactful rights and Evan this year
is probably right there with He's right there, But you
can't say, like definitively that he's definitively better and sought
too well.
Speaker 4: As a sophomore, he's barely been in the system.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: It's it's been impressive. Shout out to Folatile. He's just
scratching the surface per j Hill. As far as safety
depths concerned, are you expecting raider de moonyback?
Speaker 3: What does his presence add to the defense.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's and he's looked really good this week. No speed, physicality,
He's played a lot. He gives us the ability to
get into a three man rotation of safety, which keeps
those guys fresher and all three of them play well together.
So I really like that group. When we get a
little bit of a rotation going and just late in
the games, that helps us be you know, a little
bit more on it not be worn out at.
Speaker 3: All, that three man rotation right right now with.
Speaker 1: With with the Tanner Wall, Folatile and Raider, and we've
seen Talon Alfred get some pet Tommy Piasters had been
had been moved under Nickel and he's I think he's
was he questionable, A doubtful doubtful, which makes the question
if he's doubtful right now, and you know that lower
extremity injury is hindering him from going back into the
Nickel spot or moving back to the free safety spot,
they may just end up red shirting Tommy. He could
and if he does rechart, remember you can get him
in the bowl game. You can get him the Big
Twelve championship game and any bowl games, so the championship
game does not count, so you can get him back
and get him back into the depth chart.
Speaker 3: Then, uh so, And I.
Speaker 4: Think the same is gonna go for to be honest, Yeah,
they both went out about the same time they're both.
I don't know if they're gonna and I don't have
any sources.
Speaker 3: I just it just.
Speaker 4: Doesn't feel like they're going to be back enough this year.
Sure they could both read shirt.
Speaker 1: Sure, And the injury report it dropped last night for
those that missed it. We'll give you a little update
here momentarily on that official injury report. Well, I'll just
give it to you right now. Sim out, Marcus McKenzie
out an E. C. Percell out. So you have a
running back two deep running back, you have a two
and a half three deep Marcus McKenzie, but a number
one gunner or you know, punt cover outside player, defensive tackle,
and E. C. Percell he's one of your two deep defense.
Tommy's doubtful. You're starting Nickel to start the season in
the first four games, and then you have Radier, De Mooney, L. J. Martin,
Jojo Phillips all probable and they'll all play. So that's
your injury report right now. So Jay Hill has asked
the question, what's the status of Tommy Prass.
Speaker 5: He's still nursing a foot injury. I think if he
had to play this game he could. He's really close
to me Mack and see all he's.
Speaker 4: Expected by it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm intrigued to see if they if they
play Tommy this year, if they need them right, or
if they choose to redshirt him right. And it's all
going to be dependent on probably injuries and how guys
are playing in front of him. Uh, he probably could play,
but is he at ninety percent. If you're at ninety percent,
you can play with a lower foot ankle injury, but
you want to be one hundred percent. I typically think
that you know you're as a defensive back, especially at.
Speaker 3: Cornerback, you need your feet and ankles.
Speaker 1: If you've ever had like a big toe injury or
an ankle injury, and you're a footwork guy, you're you're
a point guard, you're a you're a defensive back, you're
a defender. Right that that's having to stay in front
of people. It's all reaction and they put you put
a significant amount of tension and loading on that foot.
Name that's hard to push through when there's pain.
Speaker 4: I will say this injury to Tommy. It's been interesting
because if you remember during the transfer portal when by
you went out and got a tav On Beasley, people
just kind of looked at him as like why, Like
he doesn't really crack, you know, the rotation. He's actually
played a significant amount. He's played in four games. He
played a significant role in the Arizona and Utah game,
and so that's a sneaky good pickup in the offseason. Yeah,
while Process has been injured.
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, and now Jonathan Gabay seems to
be back and healthy and we'll probably be getting more reps.
He has listed in front of Tavon, but I think
it's an or delineation, so it'll be Jonathan Gabay or
Tavian Beasley and then Tommy's number three right now and
he's doubtful to play this week. So all right, guys,
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of Cougar Country. So one of the questions I put
out to Kugarnat I wanted to get their thoughts.
Speaker 3: On okay, and there's a number of them.
Speaker 1: Hit me up at Crutal Benjamin Poll of the day
College Game Day history last time. Last time in Lubbock
was November one, two thousand and eight number seven text
Tech versus number one Texas. There was the Michael Crabtree
game that occurred in two thousand and eight. Last time
game day was in Profa October twenty eight. Excuse me,
October twenty fourth, two thousand and nine, TCU and BYU,
both ranked teams faced each other. My question has been, well,
these two teams become the iconic brands and band ambassadors
of the Big twelve for years to come.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about this? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like each team from an organizational design standpoint,
their leadership at at head coach their resources right now
within their program. For text Tech it's the oil money.
For BYU, it's the tech money. Are these two teams
best positions to become the brand ambassadors of the new
Big twelve?
Speaker 3: Under Brett your mark? What do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Give me give me another brand that has the nil
support in the Big twelve to keep up with these? Sure,
I just don't think it's there.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest. I think most years, I think
every once in a while you're gonna have a down year.
Like it's gonna happen. It happens everywhere. Sometimes a player
that you pay for doesn't pan out. That happens everywhere.
But I think for the most part, b YU and
Texas Tech are best positioned structurally, and I think they're
both very stable situations. Their coaches have been there for
a while, They've built their culture, they have an il support,
they have enough revenue to pay the twenty million in
the paying players out of the school. The revenue sharing yep.
I don't see another brand in the Big twelve that
can do that year in and year out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I do think that in Iowa State is gonna be
good every few years. I do think that Utah is
gonna be able to build up good. Kansas State Kansas State,
but they're gonna cycle through. It's gonna be a three
four year build up to a great team and a rebuild.
I think for a lot of these brands, whereas the
UYU and Texas Tech, they have the support to do
it for the most part, year in and year out.
Both And here's the scary thing, both in football and basketball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's fun to watch, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think really there's a there's another team that
you know. Look, I think Cincinnati's doing nice things. I'm
in I'm intrigued to see what UCF does with Coach Frost,
like I really am. Their enrollment is insane, you know,
and they're growing their alumni base.
Speaker 4: They do have a good recruiting hotbed, like they got
a great.
Speaker 3: Recruiting CUB And I don't I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the economy is like right now
surrounding ORLANDA. But imagine it's fine, Like imagine good like
Florida is, you know, with with with how they maybe
politically align, is.
Speaker 3: Is good for business, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like, but there's a lot of teams that are
also competing with from a recruiting standpoint, but their donor
base is growing.
Speaker 3: So I'm intriguing in the future.
Speaker 1: Like I think when we initially launched into the Big
twelve UH and we were valuing the new teams, much
of the rhetorics surrounded B Y, U and U c
F as being like the favorites to make immediate impact.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, they were the immediate impact brands UH for any
number of reasons.
Speaker 3: But if you looked at Cincinnati, U, c F.
Speaker 1: B YU, and you know some of the other you know,
newcomers that came in, like you know, they they had
similar win loss records as G five programs at the time,
with similar trajectories going, and they earned their seat at
the P four table, is what I'm getting at. But
it's intriguing to see what be why You has done
with their new found prominence within the power for structure.
Texas Tech has always been there, They've always been a
Power five team, like at least in the modern era.
Only recently have they found their t boone Pickens, right,
they found their guy that wants to win, a former
football player that loves Red Raider football, that got himself
some of that black gold, the oil money, you know
what I mean, you know that black gold ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls. So I look at Colorado and you're like, well,
what about Prime.
Speaker 3: I just this is Prime.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be there after this year.
I think he's either going to retire because like he's
had so many and I know we say this every year,
but at some point, the medical conditions they catch up
and you've got to take a break. I think he
at least takes a break or the schools in Florida
all those jobs are opening up, including I expect Florida
State to let go of their head coach, which is
where he went to school. You can't tell me that
if Florida State comes Colorado, Deon's gonna say no, they
want him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: When Florida State said we're, you know, gonna make the
decision at the end of the year, that told me
we're getting the donors together to come up with a
buyout money. Yeah, because they're not happy with Mike Norvel.
I do think Deon's gone, and I don't think. I
just don't think the structure at Colorado is sustainable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Colorado's out of prime leaves. Yep. So the
the trajectory.
Speaker 1: Is is based off of two things. Who's the head coach,
does he want to be their long term? And furthermore,
what are the NIL resources looking like for those respective programs.
Speaker 4: I will say the third team I would throw in
the mix with b Way and Texas Tech. I do
think Arizona State has the structure to do well, which
I think. I think Kenny Dillingham is a heck of
a coach and I think he's one of my favorite
things about him, which I realized isn't a very popular
phrase around BYU. We don't like Kenny Dillingham for some
reason because.
Speaker 3: He looked like a toddler out there.
Speaker 1: Well, he connects with his fan base female canine and
on the football field, well.
Speaker 4: He connects with his fan base in a way that
most coaches cannot. Yeah, because he literally was a fan.
He never actually played football there, he went there, but
he knows how to connect with his fan base. Get
ahold of those donors. He's revitalized. It was a very
dead fan base four years ago. Yeah, I do think
timp is a very That's where I grew up.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Glendale, Arizona, hopskipping and jumping away
from from from Arizona State. Most of my friends attended
Arizona State. My family, most of my family to my
brothers attended Arizona University of Arizona.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a unique culture and a unique attraction
to Tempe.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt what they've always struggled with, just like
all the Arizona schools have struggled is trench warfare.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They need to tap into the Polynesian pipeline, and you
have to have really good offensive and defensive line coaches,
and otherwise you're good to continue to lose versus the
better programs. And that includes BYU, and that includes Utah,
that includes I mean, look like Iowa State and Kansas State.
They have good offensive and very physical, sound, technically sound
defensive lines like they're physical. And that's what Arizona State
has struggled with over the years. And that's what you
have struggled with just year in and year out developing
good to great offensive and defensive line. The Pac twelve
was weak in the trench warfare game. That's why the
University of Utah came to power, came to prestige, came
to probody else out of line that could Competeington and
Oregon they were they they were decent, right, but Oregon
was more of a speed They were a finesse team.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 1: And they they got at they they they've recruited well too.
But Oregon, UH and USC and Stanford and you know,
those those programs would come in and take like the
Greater Mountain West good offensive and defensive linement. Jackson Power's
light offensive line. Remember Kingsley Suata went out to Oregon
before transferring back. I want to say, uh u c
l A too. Oh gosh, uh goodness gracious. Anyway, there
there's been a number of l LDS guys, polynesi and
guys that ended up at those schools, and so that's
what you're gonna have to tap into at a s
U while competing with the rest of the best. And
the Big ten's getting in on the action now, you
know what I mean. SEC pretty much has like their
guys like but the Big ten has been very much
interested in some of those offensive and defensive linemen and
they have for for a while now. Anyway, interesting debate,
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Let's get into some cougar bytes and much more. Yegor
demon discussing why he chose BYU. Really interesting commentary here.
Now we've heard a number of comments from yegor gemmen.
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