WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:02.160 Good cool. Yeah, well excellent. 2 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:07.480 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.279 what you can do for your country. Mister gorbu Shaw, 4 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:17.600 tear down this wall. It's the Ricochet Podcast number seven 5 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.519 hundred and thirty eight. Today it's Stephen Hayward sitting in 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.359 James Lilac's host chair and joined by some stranger named 7 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.399 Rob Long. Yeah, we're gonna kick around the news and 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.359 some reader questions. 9 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.600 So let's say, waite, was James gonna was James gonna 10 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:34.280 do this and then he found it? I was gonna 11 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.000 do what he's done, doumb You know no, he's not 12 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.880 gonna show right, Okay, but I think you just traveled 13 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:40.799 on the ending, so I think it. 14 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.079 No, sorry, that's all right. 15 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:43.320 I think I should probably do that again. 16 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.240 Perry, will you make it sloppy? Sloppy works? 17 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.320 Welcome everybody to Ricochet Podcast seven thirty eight, And sure 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.799 enough it's me and Rob Long today taking your questions. 19 00:00:54.079 --> 00:01:00.520 Fine and finally and the camelon, well that's. 20 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:01.079 On way putting it. 21 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.920 Look, we've got some great reader questions and as you 22 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.920 are our resident theologian in training, we do want to 23 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:10.680 ask you about the papal succession that's currently getting underway, 24 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.280 even though Rob, you should know that high trich Episcopalians 25 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.079 like yourself I always refer to as non Union Catholics. 26 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.239 So. 27 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.000 Take that for what it's worth. 28 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.280 But before we get into all that, i'd like to 29 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.519 get your thoughts on And I know you've been at 30 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.560 a monastery for the last several days on retreat, so 31 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.959 you may have missed all this. But there's quite a 32 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.719 lively debate going on on the sort of right intelligentsia 33 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.280 in the last week, started by a news story in 34 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.519 the Wall Street Journal called Meet Maga's Favorite Communists, and 35 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.120 it's mostly about how people like Chris Rufo have decided 36 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.159 we need to emulate Gromsky's famous long March for the 37 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.280 institutions and contest the left for power. And there's been 38 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.079 a lot of people, as you may know, who are saying, 39 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:56.640 you know, some of what Trump's doing with the universities, 40 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.760 I'm not too sure this is a good idea. It 41 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:01.519 may come back to bite us. Isn't this really an 42 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.599 abuse of federal power of the kind that we normally 43 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:07.200 object to on principle? And all that is yes on 44 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.360 the internet, And I think that you know, Genteel friends 45 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.439 of ours, like Jonah Goldberg, I think represents the point 46 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.840 of view that the right has always been at its 47 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.360 strongest when it emphasized ideas. You know the famous phrase 48 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.919 Richard Weaver, ideas have consequences. And you know my counter 49 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.800 to this is I've always agreed with that. I think 50 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.360 it was true in conservative history, going back to you know, 51 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.000 the rise of Reagan and so forth. But you know 52 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.199 the other thing that has consequences day to day are 53 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.719 votes on hiring in tenure committees in universities, and we 54 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.800 ain't got any of those. And so my own view 55 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.439 is I've been kind of tilting toward the RUFO direction, saying, 56 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:44.560 you know, if the if the left says it's all 57 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.000 about power, then maybe we're gonna have to play their game. 58 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:49.120 It's got its obvious hazards. 59 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:50.719 But I don't know if you follow any of this 60 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.719 at all, or even if you haven't, you can give 61 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.319 me yours first thoughts on that brief summary I just 62 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.000 provided you. 63 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.800 Well, I think I I diviy in half. I mean 64 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:03.680 not actually in half. I mean I divide it in 65 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.120 terms of the national interest and. 66 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.520 National lack of interest. 67 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.800 In the national interest, I think it's hard to argue 68 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:21.400 that government funding in science, research, technology has not had 69 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:28.199 a force multiplier in the national product and the economy. 70 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.520 I mean, it's a hard it hurts to argue that 71 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.639 for me because I'm a Milton Friedman guy, and I 72 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.840 think no. But it's just hard to argue that that 73 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.840 did not happen. Just looking at the past four years, 74 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.039 fifty years, even of a massive government. 75 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:49.159 Investment in research and technology. 76 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:54.680 And science, hard science, theoretical science, rocket science, all sciences, 77 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:00.159 there is zero national interest in the country support being 78 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.280 taxpayer supporting or even the country supporting. 79 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:09.000 English majors right, which I want, absolutely zero. 80 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.039 And there is there's cascades of money out there that 81 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.039 is private that could basically fund that. And so when 82 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.319 you find people I think, I mean, you know, everybody 83 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.680 seeks the science has been corrupt too. I'm just gonna 84 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.120 set that argument aside for a minute. 85 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:24.319 When you look at. 86 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:31.120 How much money is just sluiced into higher education for 87 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:37.079 stuff that is absolutely at least the best you can say, 88 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:41.120 it's irrelevant to the national interests. You know, that's got 89 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.680 to stop, and that should stop. But I would say 90 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:51.040 two conservatives that the problem isn't to spend federal money 91 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.160 the way you want to spend it. The problem is 92 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.199 to not spend federal money at all. And right wingers. 93 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:59.680 Here's the problem with the right wingers. And I know 94 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.240 I'm all right, I know I've been you know, I've 95 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:02.519 been raising money from them for a long time. 96 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:10.120 They are not building a useful alternative. 97 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.600 Like if you go to a conservative billionaire philanthropist and 98 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.040 you say I want to publish, say seven books, I 99 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.079 want to do a project, or I want to do 100 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.879 a podcast or whatever, they will ask you if you, hey, 101 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.360 do you think that you could you you would get 102 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.160 on Sean Hannity with this, You think you could do this? Yes, 103 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:33.160 So conservatives in general tend to be obsessed with the 104 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.079 stardom within the conservative bubble, which is I understand that 105 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.800 it's a great business, but it does not move the needle, 106 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:46.600 whereas you find liberals are much much more uh creative 107 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.759 and strategic about the audiences that they're going for. And 108 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:53.199 I just think we just need to do that on 109 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.920 the right. And instead of arguing about where government money 110 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:58.319 should be spent, I mean, I think it should be 111 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:00.480 spent on stem and I don't think it's spent an 112 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.639 it's not stem. We should be arguing about, okay, well, 113 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.199 if you're all these rich guys. 114 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:08.040 Build something. 115 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.720 The idea that that Harvard and Yale and Princeton and 116 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.639 all the sort of these speak brands are inviolate and 117 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:21.920 eternal and some have some kind of aristocratic privilege is 118 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.319 anathema to a conservative viewpoint. We should be saying, no, no, no, no. 119 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:31.639 We criticize, as Michelangelo said, criticized by creating where is 120 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:32.560 the new Harvard? 121 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.079 Where is the new Yale? These are these are institutions. 122 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.040 That are out of gas and out of UH, out 123 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:44.360 of energy, and out of UH innovation. But they're not 124 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:50.120 out of this money. But there's plenty of money. There's 125 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.199 so much money build a new Harvard, build build a 126 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:53.879 new high school? 127 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.000 Right, well, there is, uh. I mean there are a 128 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.439 couple of examples. I mean, one of course, where sort 129 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.399 of our buildillionaires so to speak, have funded quite adequately 130 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.199 this new startup University of Austin down in Texas, and 131 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.399 I think it's it's off to a great start, and 132 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.800 I think it's going to be a great success. And 133 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.240 then maybe someone will say we should do five more 134 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.560 of those, specifically on the Harvard question, you know, I 135 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.800 think people were shocked to learn that Harvard is, you know, 136 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.240 getting something like eight billion dollars from the federal government 137 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.959 when they have a fifty three billion dollar endowment and 138 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:27.959 a lot of them Dowman is tied up with restrictions 139 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.000 because donors like that. But you know, to the extent 140 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.920 that they're losing two or three billion immediately for scientific research. Supposedly, 141 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:37.360 you know, Bill Gates could write a check for that, 142 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.480 although he dropped out of Harvard, So I mean, I 143 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.040 think it's worth it. But that's another story, right, Yeah, 144 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.600 I'll mentioned and then there's also the Schools of Pacific 145 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.879 Education popping up in Red States at the public universities, 146 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.879 and that's a long story. I'm close to several of 147 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.079 those efforts and know a lot about them, and they're 148 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:56.680 explicitly wanting to hire more conservative faculty. They're doing cluster 149 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.279 hires for conservatives for a change, and we'll see there's 150 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.680 faculty resistance going on. That's a long story. But the 151 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.720 last thing I'll tell you about rob to cheer you up, 152 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:08.160 which you may not have heard the news, is over 153 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.600 one hundred faculty at Yale put out a letter a 154 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.959 few weeks ago didn't get any press calling on the administration, sorry, 155 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:19.319 calling for an independent audit of administrative bloat at Yale. 156 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.240 And apparently administrators out number faculty is something like five 157 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.920 to one at Yale. I mean, I've heard it's bad, 158 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.920 but that's way off the chart. And my favorite line 159 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.040 in a letter is students don't come to Yale for 160 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.360 the administration anyway. It's a very plus truth. It's fabulous 161 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.559 and you know, we'll see if this happens. But I've 162 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.279 been waiting, wondering for a long time when our faculty 163 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.360 going to revolt against all these administrators and demts. All 164 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.279 of them are paid with more than faculty usually who 165 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.360 do nothing useful at all. And anyway, so let's keep 166 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.519 track of that because I think that is a fun 167 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:52.440 story to watch. 168 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.759 And I totally agree. 169 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:59.919 I mean, the administrative bloat is an education starts in 170 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.919 you know, pre K, and it goes all the way 171 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.960 up to graduate school and there's been no stop to it. 172 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:08.600 But this is this is what you This is why 173 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.360 right where are things? Where are we getting good stuff? 174 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.240 What products are in the marketplace that are good things 175 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:19.039 and innovative and cheap and getting cheaper and they are 176 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.919 all all to an industry. They are industries that are 177 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:27.360 not subsidized in any way. FED higher education is subsidized 178 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.000 at the price of a higher A year at a 179 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.720 college is absolutely mapped on top of the amount of 180 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.080 money you can borrow. If that money went down one 181 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.120 hundred dollars, the cost would go down one hundred dollars. 182 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.279 If it goes up one hundred dollars, the cost goes 183 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.440 up one hundred dollars. It is the same with healthcare. 184 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:47.799 It is everything that is subsidized costs more because you 185 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:54.159 and and we essentially are covering the hard stuff that 186 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:57.159 places like Harbon Neil used to do. I mean Harvard 187 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.720 really really to be fair as a as an entity. 188 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:00.600 Harv is a. 189 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.440 Healthcare company with a university attached to it. I mean 190 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:04.960 just financially, it's what it is. It's the same thing 191 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.600 with you. It's a hospital network with a university attached, 192 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:12.360 so we cover It's a classic government gambit, right, We're 193 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.440 going to cover all of the hard things and important 194 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.360 things that you do, and the rest of the money 195 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.320 you get to hire you know, Marx's French deconstructive faculty. 196 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:28.000 And that is kind of how the government works with everybody, right, 197 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.240 we're gonna you know, if you're a socialist, like I 198 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.159 want the government to pay for everything important in my life, 199 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:35.840 and the money I have is going to be like 200 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.840 my little allowance and I can go and you know, 201 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.440 buy a latte if I want, And it really should 202 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.679 be the other way around, but we've allowed it to 203 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.559 sort of. You know, it's much easier to say I 204 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.440 want the government to do my healthcare because healthcare is 205 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.759 hard and gets my head hurt, so somebody else do it. 206 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.840 Yeah, So all right, let's shift gears, because I think 207 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.879 the biggest story in the world right now is not 208 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.200 what's going on between Trump and all his enemies and whatnot. 209 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.000 It's that we are now facing the succession of the pope, 210 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.919 and even for non Union Catholics like you and me, 211 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.200 that's an important story. I mean, it has been for decades, right, 212 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.879 an important institution. And we have several reader questions from Ricochet. 213 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.519 The first one is from Aaron Hunt Ara Haunt. I'm 214 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.159 not sure how he says his name on his handle. 215 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.840 Do you have any are you handicapping who might be 216 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:27.399 the next pope or are you leaving that to the 217 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.799 you know, are true truly Roman friends. 218 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.519 I am not handicapping it. I'm just I can you 219 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:39.399 could outline the considerations, right, I mean you the fastest 220 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:45.240 growing population, even Christian population in general, but definitely Catholic 221 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.039 poplation is in Africa what they call the term the 222 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:53.399 Global South, also South America, and while those people tend 223 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:58.840 to be on the left economically, they tend to have 224 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.879 very you know, the liberation theology has really taken roots 225 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.200 in a lot of those places. So we call them conservative. 226 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.759 That's not quite. They doesn't really sort of overlap with 227 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.639 our sense of politics, but they tend to be very 228 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:17.279 socially conservative. So if you're a cardinal in you know, 229 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:21.120 in the in the now real life reality TV movie 230 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.840 of Conclave, which is happening, this is so great, That's 231 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.559 what that's what you're thinking about, Like, like do I 232 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.200 you know, a lot of these people were elevated by 233 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.759 by Francis, so it's presumably they are sort of more 234 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.639 aligned with his you know, modified progressive politics, which are 235 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.399 you know, they're not quite He's not quite the wacky 236 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:47.559 red that we think he is. But you can only 237 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.879 go so far, and you can't lose Africa. You lose 238 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:56.519 Africa you lose the church and and and the Catholic 239 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.799 sort of thinkers and strategists that I know or I've 240 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:00.279 been reading. 241 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:05.720 You know, when you read an article by them, you. 242 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.000 Skip the first three paragraphs because the first three paragraphs 243 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.480 are just throw clearing about you know this, and the 244 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.639 fourth and fifth of the In the media, it's it's 245 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:15.960 a pure marketing play, like if we do this, we 246 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:17.960 lose Africa. If we do this, we can get Asia. 247 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.799 It's Asia growing faster and whatever are the growth? Where 248 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.919 are the opportunities of growth? And it reminds me of 249 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.200 this sort of ecumenical councils that happened in the early 250 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.720 twentieth century, and also the sort of the Catholic councils 251 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:34.080 that happened throughout the fifteen sixteen seventeenth century where they 252 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.120 didn't have the the Mba language that we have now. 253 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.600 But that's what we're really talking about. It's like, where 254 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.440 are the people for us? We're losing this group. How 255 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:47.720 do we know we're losing Catholics in Europe during the 256 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:51.000 Reformation Where we're going to find some more. We're going 257 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.279 to find some more in the New World. And I 258 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:54.639 think that's that's part of. 259 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.840 What's going on. So Joseph Stanko asks, and I'm going 260 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.440 to mend this question, what would Rob do? I hear 261 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.600 elected pope, and I want to add what papal name 262 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:03.360 would you choose? 263 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:05.480 And what state? 264 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.720 What steps would you take us Pope to revive the 265 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.240 old Hollywood studio system? 266 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:12.799 Well, I mean, I all I can say is that 267 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.000 I just steal from a famous Bill Buckley joke. 268 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.039 But would Rob you, if you like to, Pope, demand 269 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:18.679 to recount? 270 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:19.159 Right? 271 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:24.240 And I wouldn't be the only one. I don't know. 272 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.840 I don't know that Roman Catholic Church is so bananas 273 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:30.799 and bizarre and wonderful to me. I don't I don't 274 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:36.480 know what I would do. I think I think you 275 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:41.039 have to uh yeah, and I think it'll be healthy 276 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.679 for them to come. If you're going to maintain I 277 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.759 think we'll say, you know, I totally understand why they 278 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.320 would do the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church all 279 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.639 that stuff. If you're going to maintain those, you refresh 280 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:57.879 the arguments for them. Instead of doubling down on tradition, 281 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:01.960 you double down on a on a real doctrinal or 282 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:07.720 even you know, theological argument and make them. 283 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.759 I think people make them well, you know, you do 284 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.000 hear today there's a lot of press about people going 285 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:17.000 back to traditional churches, both Protestant and Catholic. I think 286 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.639 especially young men. I mean, I've seen some data recently 287 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.919 that young men are now outnumbering young women going to church. 288 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.600 I think it's an aspect of what sometimes called bro 289 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.480 culture and all these sort of young not necessarily all right, 290 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.039 but people who are into weightlifting and yeah, right, it's 291 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.799 just the leobros all that. 292 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:37.240 I love that theobros. 293 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.240 That's great, and there's a lot of it happening and 294 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.279 I never saw this coming, but so I don't know. 295 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.480 I mean, you know, it could be an interesting thing 296 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.799 where it's the old folks who have turned out to 297 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.879 be the post Vatican to you know, left leaning culturally 298 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.639 and theologically, and it's the young folks who are going 299 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:55.679 to lead it back to tradition. 300 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:57.639 Yeah, or at least the young folks are going to 301 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:03.240 lead back to sort of a more solid ground. Clearly, 302 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.240 there's a hunger I think I think the story of 303 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.440 I mean I'm just speaking purely on a on a 304 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:15.000 Western and European level, right, So American European level, the 305 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.480 story of young men returning to the church. Twenty three 306 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.320 percent of young men I just read this in the 307 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:24.960 in the UK say they're churchgoers. That's that's a like 308 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.399 of eighteen to twenty four or something. That's a giant, 309 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.799 giant number. And now I mean and they and they 310 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:34.200 outnumber and the Catholics outnumbered the Anglicans in the UK, 311 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.080 which is kind of astonishing. So there's something, there is 312 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:38.879 a hunger for something. A lot of it, I think 313 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:45.080 is that this lost generation of young men. The question 314 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.720 about you know, the sort of absent fatherhood I think, 315 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.519 or a different kind of fatherhood. I think we decided 316 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:54.679 the young men were evil and bad and needed to 317 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.240 be whipped into shape. And we guess what, we whipped 318 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.159 them into submission. And they every impulse that a young 319 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:09.759 man has, pretty much that it's biological impulse, has been outlawed. Yeah, 320 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:11.680 and we don't know what to do with him. And 321 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.039 the great story, I think, and which should make us 322 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.240 all happy, is that there are things to do and 323 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.160 they and know some of those young men are finding 324 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.880 it themselves, and that is kind of yeah, kind of yeah, 325 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:25.279 but dangerous. 326 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:25.599 Right. 327 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.599 Well, you know the contrast between the two pops back 328 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:34.920 Benedict the sixteenth, very conservative, and then Francis who is 329 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.480 much more liberal. I think in many ways, not always. 330 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.160 It's very confusing for an outsider, and so who knows 331 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.279 this conclave could go on a long time. 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And boy, I wish 362 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:38.720 it was so easy for a rep the Vatican or 363 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:39.359 anybody else. 364 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.000 Yeah, it is not easy. 365 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.039 Yeah, although I mean it's like as a you know, 366 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.880 in the show show business way of looking at things 367 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:54.720 is always said of show business related uh, you know, 368 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:57.319 when there's a I think somebody told me once that 369 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.440 they were in a meeting someone, you know, they were 370 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:03.599 talking about a couple of movies and some studio was 371 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.880 releasing a movie and so, oh my god, there's a 372 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:06.559 school shooting. 373 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.039 Oh no, uh what about this? 374 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.599 And the argument that the tragedy was this the movie 375 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.960 about to re released has that shooting scene. Well, you know, yeah, 376 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.079 but there's other tragedies happening in a school shooting. But 377 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:22.960 the first thing that the show business people do is 378 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.279 if they think about themselves. There's an old story about, 379 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:27.960 you know, two guys meeting, two agents meeting for lunch 380 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.640 and one gets there early the restaurant and he's stead 381 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:31.960 of standing at the bar is having his iced tea. 382 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:33.359 He's looking at the news and it's been a terrible 383 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.720 plane crash. Everybody, you know, some plane went down, three 384 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.920 hundred people died. And his colleague arrives a little late 385 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.240 and says, what's going on, goes there's a plane plane crash. 386 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.279 People died, and this college says, oh my god, is 387 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:46.200 there anybody on it? 388 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:47.599 Right? 389 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:50.960 And you know so that so I know the people 390 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:51.799 who conclave. 391 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.160 The minute they woke up on Monday and said to Pop, 392 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.039 Francis died, they're like, yes. 393 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.720 I mean terrible tragedy, but yes, right, because it's gonna 394 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.519 you know what, the conclave rentals go way up because 395 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:05.200 people want to know what's going on, and the movie's 396 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.920 really good for that as a procedural. It's fantastic. I 397 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:10.599 haven't seen it, but it's on my list. 398 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.000 So before we switch gears here to a different subject track, 399 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.400 I will mention that I did see a great meme 400 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.400 the last couple of days. And it's a split screen, 401 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.680