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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today,

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<v Speaker 2>I've decided to poke backwards through the answers in Genesis

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<v Speaker 2>Canada catalog to find some classic Calvin to respond to,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found this video saying that atheist morals make

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<v Speaker 2>no sense. I'm sure this will probably wind up just

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<v Speaker 2>being a bog standard can't have objective morality without God

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<v Speaker 2>sort of video, But you never really know with Calvin,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's take a look.

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<v Speaker 3>This video will show you where the idea of right

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<v Speaker 3>and wrong comes from and why atheism can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Certain enough strong. With that awkwardly constructed statement there, it

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<v Speaker 2>took me a little bit to figure out what it

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<v Speaker 2>was that atheism can't. I did get there eventually. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just slow. That could be it.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever someone declares someone's done something wrong, they're communicating they

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<v Speaker 3>believe there's a moral law, and that the perpetrator of

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<v Speaker 3>the offense broke said moral law.

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<v Speaker 2>Alternatively, it could just be that the thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>done is a thing that they don't like. And since

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to issues that have been categorized as

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<v Speaker 2>moral issues, most people can generally agree that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like to be on the receiving end of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them, we have decided as a society that those

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<v Speaker 2>things have consequences that are supposed to act as a deterrent.

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<v Speaker 3>Hence what they did was wrong. But moral laws must

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<v Speaker 3>have an origin. A moral lawmaker.

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<v Speaker 2>An origin sure, a moral lawmaker, though that depends on

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<v Speaker 2>what you mean by that. I know that he means

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<v Speaker 2>specifically the Christian God, but I would argue that the

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<v Speaker 2>evolution of cooperation could be called the moral lawmaker, as

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<v Speaker 2>most moral issues seem to be related to things that

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<v Speaker 2>would either aid or harm cooperation. We can see a

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<v Speaker 2>rudimentary form of this in chimpanzees. They will share with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, but are more likely to share with individuals

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<v Speaker 2>who have a history of sharing with them. They retaliate

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<v Speaker 2>if they think they have been wrong, even if the

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<v Speaker 2>retaliation yields no benefit in and of itself. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation where one chimp was observed stealing food

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<v Speaker 2>from another, the victim of the theft acted to destroy

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<v Speaker 2>the food in anger before the thief could eat it.

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<v Speaker 2>They will form alliances that support each other in dominance fights.

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<v Speaker 2>They cooperate when hunting monkeys and will share the meat

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<v Speaker 2>with not only the hunting party, but with other members

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<v Speaker 2>of their group. Better cooperation leads to survival advantages for

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<v Speaker 2>social species. Humans are just a species that took that

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<v Speaker 2>stat and maxed it out.

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<v Speaker 3>And if there's no moral lawmaker or law giver above

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<v Speaker 3>and beyond human beings, then who's to say which human

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<v Speaker 3>beings have the right to impose their beliefs on others.

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<v Speaker 2>We human beings are. I know it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a flawed system, But here's the issue. Morality comes into

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<v Speaker 2>play when something bad happens to people. Killing is a

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<v Speaker 2>moral issue because it's people being killed. Stealing is a

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<v Speaker 2>moral issue because it's people being stolen from. Adultery is

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<v Speaker 2>a moral issue because it is a person being cheated on.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of these moral issues also have exceptions. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to kill him, but he was about to

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<v Speaker 2>kill me, so I was just offending myself. If you

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<v Speaker 2>see someone stealing baby products, no you didn't. And there

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<v Speaker 2>are plenty of people who have relationships where things that

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<v Speaker 2>someone like Calvin might call adultery are acceptable. And all

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<v Speaker 2>of these things that I've called exceptions have people saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they are not exceptions. One of the churches I

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<v Speaker 2>used to attend in my Christian days was of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brethren in Christ denomination. They believe that the commandment not

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<v Speaker 2>to kill is an absolute I have heard sermons explaining

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<v Speaker 2>the importance of holding to your values even in the

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<v Speaker 2>face of great personal sacrifice. If someone breaks into your house,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they threaten your life or your family's lives,

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<v Speaker 2>not only should you not kill them, you shouldn't commit

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<v Speaker 2>any violence against them. This is a position that I

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<v Speaker 2>would presume that Calvin does not agree with, given the

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<v Speaker 2>article on the Answers in Genesis website that makes the

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<v Speaker 2>distinction between lawful and unlawful killing. Quote. Killing does not

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<v Speaker 2>have to be always right or always wrong. God has

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<v Speaker 2>provided qualifications, so what are we to do here? The

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<v Speaker 2>Bic Church believes in the impallibility of scripture, same as

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<v Speaker 2>Calvin does. They believe in the Christian God is the

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<v Speaker 2>source of morality, same as Calvin does, and yet they

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<v Speaker 2>don't share Calvin's moral opinion on killing. To echo Calvin's question,

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<v Speaker 2>which of these Christian human beings who believe they get

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<v Speaker 2>their morality from the same source gets to impose their

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<v Speaker 2>moral beliefs onto others. Everyone has the exact same problem

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to enforce a morality, regardless of what

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<v Speaker 2>you think the source of morality is. Since that is

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<v Speaker 2>the case, I would argue that secular morality has a

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<v Speaker 2>leg up because religious morality often imposes moral opinions on

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise a moral actions. With secular morality, we can agree

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<v Speaker 2>that causing harm is undesirable, so actions that cause harm

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<v Speaker 2>to other people can have restrictions placed on them, but

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<v Speaker 2>actions that do not can be left up to the individual.

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<v Speaker 2>You think masturbating is a moral, fine, don't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't hurt anyone, so there shouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 2>law against it. Now, obviously this is more than a

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<v Speaker 2>touch oversimplified. Our laws are so complicated at this point

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<v Speaker 2>that we have people whose entire job is to have

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<v Speaker 2>a decent understanding of tiny slivers of the law, not

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<v Speaker 2>to mention the fact that legal does not necessarily equal moral.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, what it comes down to is people we

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<v Speaker 2>argue over what moral system works best, implement the winner,

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens, rinse, and repeat.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, the mantra often heard in modern society is

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<v Speaker 3>that people should have the right to decide right and

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<v Speaker 3>wrong for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as their actions don't cause harm to other people.

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<v Speaker 3>Then yes, But that's clearly not tenable in societies where

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<v Speaker 3>human beings with different opinions must live in harmony with one.

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<v Speaker 2>Another question, Calvin, how is it that everybody has come

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<v Speaker 2>to have different opinions on morality if all of our

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<v Speaker 2>senses of morality were given to us by this moral

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<v Speaker 2>lawgiver who has a single moral code that he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Us to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, I think I can answer that one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the fall. Calvin clearly has the correct moral opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So anytime we find ourselves in agreement with him, that's

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<v Speaker 2>because God wrote his moral law on our hearts, And

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<v Speaker 2>anytime we disagree, that's because of the fall. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I deny God in my unrighteousness, and I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to sin. Follow up question, does the Bic church deny

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<v Speaker 2>God in their unrighteousness. I'd argue that they actually go

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<v Speaker 2>to rather extreme length in their desire to obey what

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<v Speaker 2>they see as God's moral code. So how'd they end

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<v Speaker 2>up with the wrong moral opinions? Weird that Christians can't

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<v Speaker 2>agree on the thing that they all believe they get

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<v Speaker 2>directly from God, especially when they then turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>say that our morality is proof of God.

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<v Speaker 3>Some moral relativists declare that each separate country or society

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<v Speaker 3>is responsible for determining right and wrong for their own people.

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<v Speaker 2>M how long do you think it will have take

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<v Speaker 2>him to get from that statement to Nazi Germany?

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<v Speaker 3>But in that case, to use an extreme example, weren't

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<v Speaker 3>the well, we'll just say the bad guys in World

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<v Speaker 3>War to Germany? Weren't they right for butchering seven million

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish people?

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<v Speaker 2>Seven seconds? It took him seven seconds. I must be psychic.

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<v Speaker 2>How could I possibly have predicted that that's where this

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<v Speaker 2>was going. It's almost like his previous sentence was constructed

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid the real position that most people have about

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<v Speaker 2>minimizing harm and maximizing well being, instead setting up a

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<v Speaker 2>nice little fake argument that maybe some people that I've

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<v Speaker 2>never actually seen are making where morality changes at ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>arbitrary national borders. Now why do you think he'd do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it maybe because he knows that the real position

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<v Speaker 2>is much harder to argue against. That's not to say

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<v Speaker 2>there aren't apologists who argue against the real position, but

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<v Speaker 2>usually the argument has to rely on the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>wild hypotheticals can result in moral justifications for heinous actions.

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<v Speaker 2>By way of moral math, if an alien threatens to

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<v Speaker 2>kill everyone on earth unless you rape someone, would that

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<v Speaker 2>be a moral action for you to do?

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<v Speaker 4>When would rape be acceptable? And you said that exact stime,

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<v Speaker 4>you said, well, most of them, you can almost throw

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<v Speaker 4>them out. But hypothetically, if a bunch of aliens came

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<v Speaker 4>down and said we're going to destroy all of humanity

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't write a girl, would you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>And you said in that debate, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with that tactic, especially for those Christians who

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<v Speaker 2>think that the Bible is perfect, is that this is

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<v Speaker 2>the same justification they end up using to justify God's

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<v Speaker 2>immoral actions in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 5>We need to understand this was not an arbitrary ethnic cleansing,

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<v Speaker 5>but in fact, this is a specific judgment on a

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<v Speaker 5>morally degraded people.

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<v Speaker 6>God's command for Israel to drive out the Canaanites was

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<v Speaker 6>not race based, but behavior based, as the Canaanites engaged

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<v Speaker 6>in acts that would be considered criminal in civilized societies.

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<v Speaker 7>First it starts off with incest, and then it goes

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<v Speaker 7>into adultery. Then it goes into offering your children to molek,

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<v Speaker 7>homosexual sins, and then bestiality. And we know from Canaanite

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<v Speaker 7>primary source documents another all of these things being practiced

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<v Speaker 8>He gives reasons, right, he doesn't just wake up like

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<v Speaker 8>a mob boss and go Canaanites, I want him dead, right,

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<v Speaker 8>He's got reasons for it. And probably the biggest reason,

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<v Speaker 8>after four hundred years of warning, is that the Canaanites

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay for God to kill off multiple entire societies

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<v Speaker 2>because those societies were bad. So by using moral math,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes morally acceptable to commit a henos atrocity in

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<v Speaker 2>order to prevent worse atrocities from happening. The apologist feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to justify God's actions in this way,

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrates that their sense of morality is not based on God,

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<v Speaker 2>it's based on harm reduction. If they actually got their

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<v Speaker 2>morals from God, then the genocides of the Bible were

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<v Speaker 2>moral because the source of morality said to do them,

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<v Speaker 2>no further justification required. But instead of doing that, they

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<v Speaker 2>hunt for explanations that attempt to minimize God's atrocities and

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<v Speaker 2>then pretend that this doesn't automatically equate to subjective morality

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<v Speaker 2>based on harm versus benefit calculations.

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<v Speaker 3>This was the way the bad guys argued during the

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<v Speaker 3>Nuremberg Trials. They declared that in their country society, it

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<v Speaker 3>was officially legal for people of a certain ethnicity to

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<v Speaker 3>be killed, making such actions lawful and therefore not immoral.

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<v Speaker 2>Just remember that argument next time you see someone from

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<v Speaker 2>Answers and Genesis making the distinction between murder and killing

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<v Speaker 2>in order to explain how they can be pro death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty well believing in the Ten Commandments.

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<v Speaker 3>However, the argument offered by the Allies was the claim

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<v Speaker 3>of the existence of a higher moral law, declaring the

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<v Speaker 3>destruction of innocent people unlawful and immoral under any circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>That propos of nothing. Here's a tweet from US Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State Marco Rubio saying that the International Criminal Court

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<v Speaker 2>of the people that argue that morality is bound to

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<v Speaker 2>if God were actually the source of such things, because

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<v Speaker 2>as it stands, it looks rather like morality has been

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, they argued in accordance with an absolute moral

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they actually justified the existence of the International Military

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<v Speaker 2>Tribunal which conducted the Nuremberg Trials by appealing to various treaties, covenants,

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<v Speaker 2>the League of Nations Covenant of nineteen nineteen. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when of facts ever stopped Calvin from saying things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there were some emotional appeals invoking a higher moral

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<v Speaker 2>the Nuremberg Trials, but the actual legal justification was firmly

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<v Speaker 2>based in documents created by and agreed upon by human beings. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>say that there weren't any such emotional appeals at the trials,

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<v Speaker 2>because Calvin does love a good quote. Mind, So if

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<v Speaker 2>that could have even been remotely construed in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>you can bet your ass that Calvin would have quoted it.

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<v Speaker 3>So where then do human rights and worth come from?

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<v Speaker 2>From us? From empathy, from our own inflated feelings of

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<v Speaker 2>self importance. I feel like it's important that I not

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<v Speaker 2>be murdered, so by Gully, I'm okay with making murder

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<v Speaker 2>illegal because it protects me just as much as it

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<v Speaker 2>protects anyone else In theory.

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<v Speaker 3>At least, well, a story I heard years ago will

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<v Speaker 3>make the point. A couple in England discovered a vase

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<v Speaker 3>in a thrift store and purchased it for a mere

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<v Speaker 3>tan British pounce. The husband thought the piece of junk

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<v Speaker 3>was a waste of money, but, like many husbands, decided

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, women be shopping him all right? Does anyone still

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<v Speaker 2>find that type of joke funny?

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<v Speaker 3>He often made negative remarks about it, until one day

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<v Speaker 3>they happened upon a television program featuring antiques showcasing a

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand pounds. To their delight, appraisers determined their modest

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<v Speaker 3>thrift store acquisition was very valuable indeed, and they managed

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<v Speaker 3>to sell it for over one hundred and thirty thousand pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Moral of the story always by cheap, ugly vases from

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the question we could ask is this what changed

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<v Speaker 3>the husband's mind from thinking it was a frivolous throwaway

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<v Speaker 3>item to embracing it as the best decision his wife had.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever made money. Obviously, if I sold some cheap thrift

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<v Speaker 2>store item for over one hundred grand, I would also

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<v Speaker 3>What was the difference in the perceived value as virtually

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<v Speaker 3>worthless or practically priceless.

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<v Speaker 2>The subjective opinions of people who were willing to shell

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<v Speaker 3>Simply put, he discovered its origin. It hadn't been mass

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<v Speaker 3>carefully molded and made ages past by a master craftsman

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<v Speaker 3>in China, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately it is the subject of value placed on

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<v Speaker 2>the item by the people who were willing to buy

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<v Speaker 2>it that did the trick. It doesn't matter if it

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<v Speaker 2>were made by a master craftsman in ancient times if

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<v Speaker 2>there's nobody around who's willing to pay for it. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of historical items, the more valuable ones are often

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<v Speaker 2>paradoxically the ones that would have been less valuable to

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<v Speaker 2>the people living at the time. I live not too

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<v Speaker 2>far away from historic fort Erie, the sight of the

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<v Speaker 2>bloodiest battle of the War of eighteen twelve. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the prize artifacts on display in the museum there is

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<v Speaker 2>the uniform of one of the common British soldiers that

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<v Speaker 2>is in relatively good condition. Officers' uniforms, they explain, are

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<v Speaker 2>easy to come by. They were cherished and preserved by

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<v Speaker 2>their owners, often passed down through the family, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lowly private's uniform was likely to be cut into strips

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<v Speaker 2>and uses cleaning rags when all was said and done.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of this, today the privates unit is much more

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<v Speaker 2>the value of historical artifacts is relative and subject to

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<v Speaker 3>You see, the origin of something determines its meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>The origin of something can have an impact on its meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does not determine it. If I write Calvin

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<v Speaker 2>of Answers in Genesis, Canada is a liar on a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of paper, while in my office it means the

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<v Speaker 2>same as it would if a person in Scotland were

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<v Speaker 2>to type it into a word processor. Different origins, same meaning. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to instead write suck my on a

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<v Speaker 2>would coming from our hypothetical scotsman. In that we have

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<v Speaker 2>two different So we can see that origin can impact meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't necessarily impact, meaning.

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<v Speaker 3>Its meaning determines its value.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Going back to the example of the vase, its

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<v Speaker 2>value was determined by its desirability to collectors, which is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly tied up in its origin in this case, but

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<v Speaker 2>the origin is impacting its subjective value to whoever bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing objective going on here. But also, while

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<v Speaker 2>of scarcity as well. If we were to unearth a

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<v Speaker 2>large collection of similar vases from the same time period,

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<v Speaker 2>then the monetary value of the vase would immediately drop.

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<v Speaker 2>Its origin did not change, but its value did, because

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<v Speaker 2>origin is only part of the value equation at best.

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<v Speaker 3>And its value determines what you should do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, to continue quibbling with technicalities, its value can have

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<v Speaker 2>an impact on what you should do with it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it does not determine it in and of itself. Because

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. The couple that bought the vase for

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<v Speaker 2>ten pounds, when they learned its value, decided to sell it,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone else, when they learned its value, decided to

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<v Speaker 2>buy it. Two people looking at the same object decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do not just different but opposite things with it. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>come to think of it. This shows the value of

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<v Speaker 2>the object to be subjective as well. The people who

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<v Speaker 2>sold it valued it less than the money that they

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<v Speaker 2>it valued it more than than the money that they

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<v Speaker 3>Similarly, if human beings are just the result of mindless

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<v Speaker 3>evolutionary forces originating in some primordial swamp, with no purpose

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<v Speaker 3>or meaning behind our existence, then we have no inherent

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, but just as the vase from your example has

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<v Speaker 2>subjective value, we also have subjective value. It's people that

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<v Speaker 2>value other people, and honestly, even if there was a God,

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<v Speaker 2>his opinion about our value doesn't mean that we also

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<v Speaker 2>have the same opinion. In fact, I'd say that I

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<v Speaker 2>value people more than the God of the Bible, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that anyone deserves eternal torture in the afterlife. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not some holier than thou condescending asshole who refuses

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<v Speaker 2>to say that the idea of Hitler being posthumously tortured

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<v Speaker 2>is not appealing. I mean, there are definitely people who

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see get their comeuppance, but eternity

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<v Speaker 2>takes it out out of the realm. Of any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of justifiable punishment ideally cause someone like Hitler the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>amount of pain as what he inflicted on other people

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<v Speaker 2>in life, and then he gets to cease to exist.

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<v Speaker 2>That is way more reasonable than the eternal punishment for

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<v Speaker 2>finite crimes thing that God does. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>on that point alone, it shows that I value human

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<v Speaker 2>life more than the Christian God does. I also like,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have invented cancer, or earthquakes or that parasite thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's causing everyone in the US trying to eat healthy

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<v Speaker 2>their pants. Hell, while we're at it, I would have

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<v Speaker 2>made the healthy foods taste good and the unhealthy ones

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<v Speaker 2>taste bad, rather than giving us a palette that suggests

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<v Speaker 2>we evolved in a state of constant food shortage, thus

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<v Speaker 3>And also no absolute rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you want to talk about rights, Christianity is

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible place to go for them. The Old Testament

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<v Speaker 2>has the death penalty for being the wrong religion, so

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<v Speaker 2>there goes your freedom of religion. Women are to be

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<v Speaker 2>silent and are not permitted authority over men, so there

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<v Speaker 2>go women's rights. Slavery is permitted both the kind that

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<v Speaker 2>apologists like to call a gentle slavery as though that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it moral, as well as chattel slavery in the

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<v Speaker 2>same vein as Antebellum slavery. So there goes the right

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<v Speaker 2>to freedom. Enticing people away from the religion also has

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty, so under old Testament law, I would

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<v Speaker 2>be executed for having my YouTube channel, So there goes

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech. Honestly, I'm actually had a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a loss for coming up with something that we do

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<v Speaker 2>consider to be a right today that could be unequivocally

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<v Speaker 2>supported by the Bible. I'm sure you could find a

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<v Speaker 2>few that aren't contradicted by it, but I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of any that it actually explicitly protects.

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<v Speaker 3>However, the realization that God created man has revealed in

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<v Speaker 3>Genesis has profound, transcendent, lawful, moral, and practical ethical implications.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it does, and none of them are good.

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<v Speaker 3>This was what the Allies argued against the bad guys

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<v Speaker 3>from World War Two.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this video is actually kind of weird for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen Calvin shy away from using words like

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi before, and the way he's doing it with his

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<v Speaker 2>cute little euphemisms is more than a little cringey. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes me want to unalive myself.

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<v Speaker 3>The existence of God's moral law. Ultimately, human beings have

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<v Speaker 3>inherent value and worth because of their incredible creator, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitionally not inherent if it's based on something external.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have worth because God values us. We have

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<v Speaker 2>worth because we value us. I don't give a rat's

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<v Speaker 2>ass about the opinion of some being who can't even

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<v Speaker 2>be bothered to introduce himself to us, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>do not derive my worth from his opinion of us.

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<v Speaker 2>To take it back to the base example, it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>like if the person at the thrist store that was

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<v Speaker 2>selling the vaz promised them that even though he was

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<v Speaker 2>selling it for am easly ten pounds, it really was

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<v Speaker 2>worth over one hundred thousand pounds. You just need to

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<v Speaker 2>have faith that the buyer will purchase it after you die.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though we're corrupted in nature and sinful in our actions,

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<v Speaker 3>God deemed us of such value that he gave his

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<v Speaker 3>only son that whoever believes in him should not perish

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<v Speaker 3>but have eternal life.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if he really valued us, he wouldn't have made

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<v Speaker 2>all that rigmarole necessary. He forgave people in the Old

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<v Speaker 2>Testament without requiring a sacrifice first, so that is clearly

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility for him. So if he really valued us,

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<v Speaker 2>he could judge us based on our actions and provide

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<v Speaker 2>the appropriate afterlife consequences. I'm not saying everyone gets eternal paradise,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is ridiculous that a good person of the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong religion gets sentenced to eternal torment. And don't give

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<v Speaker 2>me that bully about how nobody is good and that

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<v Speaker 2>we all deserve eternal torment. You will never convince me

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<v Speaker 2>that there is no meaningful difference between Hitler and sam Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>One was clearly a much better person than the other,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can't see that, then I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>why I should listen to you about anything related to morality.

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<v Speaker 3>It is indeed a paradoxical marvel that our gracious God,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that his creations would rebel against him, completely unworthy

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<v Speaker 3>and of themselves, deemed us worthy of the willing sacrifice

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<v Speaker 3>of his son Calvin.

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<v Speaker 2>You were just saying we all have inherent worth and value,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're saying that because we're worthless and valueless.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impressive that God sacrifices himself for us. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>just there goes the idea of inherent value. Turns out

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<v Speaker 2>we're just a bunch of worthless jumps after all.

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<v Speaker 3>From before the foundations of the world. We have rights

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<v Speaker 3>in spite of our wrongs.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet whoever wrote that gave themselves a massive pat

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<v Speaker 2>on the back for being so clever. We have rights

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<v Speaker 2>because we human beings decided to enshrine them into law.

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<v Speaker 2>If we were to follow what the Bible says, then

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<v Speaker 2>our list of rights would be short. Indeed, despite what

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<v Speaker 2>all the apologists who want you to think that Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>is responsible for the advent of modern democracy will tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>God has indeed overpaid for us. But in doing so,

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<v Speaker 3>he's applied even more value to the undeserving souls that

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<v Speaker 3>he's saved.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a really weird pivot, like he's spent the

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<v Speaker 2>entire video so far explaining how we know humans have

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<v Speaker 2>inherent value because they were created by God. But now

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<v Speaker 2>humans are all a bunch of garbage, not worth the

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<v Speaker 2>carbon they're made of. You gotta pick a lane, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I get the we are all worthless garbage message is

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<v Speaker 2>necessary in order to attempt to justify hell. But you

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<v Speaker 2>can't make that argument well simultaneously arguing that we have

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<v Speaker 2>an immense inherent worth and value.

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<v Speaker 3>So the question for atheists is philosophically, how does naturalism

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<v Speaker 3>account for human rights? Make it make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>It accounts for human rights because human rights are things

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<v Speaker 2>that we humans have gotten together and said, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, it sure would be swell if we had

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<v Speaker 2>these rights. What I don't understand is how you think

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<v Speaker 2>we go from Christianity to human rights, even if we're

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<v Speaker 2>just sticking to the Ten Commandments. Like, let's pretend for

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<v Speaker 2>a moment that the Ten Commandments are laws and see

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<v Speaker 2>how many rights we have at the end of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one is to have no other gods, so that

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<v Speaker 2>violates our freedom of religion. Number two is to make

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<v Speaker 2>no images of anything in heaven above, in the earth beneath,

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<v Speaker 2>or in the water under the earth, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>cannot bow down to serve those images, so we lose

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<v Speaker 2>our freedom of expression and our freedom of religion again.

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<v Speaker 2>The third is to not take the name of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord your God in vain, so there goes freedom of speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourth is to keep the Sabbath day holy and do

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<v Speaker 2>not work, so there's one day of the week that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have the freedom to even work on household

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<v Speaker 2>projects for ourselves. Fifth is to honor your father and mother,

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<v Speaker 2>which could be seen as a violation of the freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of association. Six is to not murder. Finally, more than

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<v Speaker 2>halfway through the list, we've got one that does not

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<v Speaker 2>actively violate things that we consider rights today. Seventh is

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<v Speaker 2>to not commit adultery, which is a principle that I

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<v Speaker 2>can agree with, provided the people in the relationship are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who get to define what adultery means to them,

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<v Speaker 2>which would make this a really hard one to enact

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<v Speaker 2>as a law that doesn't violate freedom of association, And

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<v Speaker 2>even if we could figure it out, this would probably

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<v Speaker 2>best be left as a personal rather than a legal matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight is to not steal, sure that one doesn't actively

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<v Speaker 2>violate any rights we've now got two. Nine is to

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<v Speaker 2>not bear false witness against your neighbor. This is commonly

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<v Speaker 2>interpreted as being a command not to lie, which would

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<v Speaker 2>violate freedom of speech if it were made into law,

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<v Speaker 2>but with the wording it has, it seems more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to me that it's talking about someone lying in order

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<v Speaker 2>to frame someone for a crime. They didn't commit, So

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the interpretation, this one is either fine or

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<v Speaker 2>violates freedom of speech. Tenth is to not want other

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<v Speaker 2>people's things, with that list of things, including their slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>So given the implicit approval of slavery, this one violates

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<v Speaker 2>general personal freedom. Actually I missed it earlier, but the

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<v Speaker 2>same goes for the fourth commandment. Part of it is

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<v Speaker 2>to give your slaves the day off as well, But

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<v Speaker 2>even ignoring that number ten violates freedom of thought. If

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<v Speaker 2>we're generous here, there are three commandments out of ten

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<v Speaker 2>that if these commandments were to become laws, do not

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<v Speaker 2>actively violate things that we consider to be rights today. So,

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<v Speaker 2>however you account for human rights philosophically, there is little

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<v Speaker 2>to no basis for them in scripture. That's it for

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<v Speaker 2>this one. Today's comment the Day comes to us from

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Rivera Junior six eight ninety nine, who asks you

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to be back on the God Awful Movies

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast West Excellent timing on that question. By the time

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<v Speaker 2>this video is published, my second appearance on the gamcast

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<v Speaker 2>should already be live. They started posting to YouTube as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was doing hat Shenanigan, so it might be

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<v Speaker 2>worth watching instead of listening, So assuming their video is

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<v Speaker 2>up before this one goes live, I'll leave a link

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<v Speaker 2>to it here. Thanks for watching. I'll be back next

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<v Speaker 2>Friday with more, but if you need to get yourneo

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<v Speaker 2>fix in before then. I last room was service every

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday eight thirty Eastern on my other channel, The Watering Hole,

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<v Speaker 2>and periodically published shorts on the channel Vice Rhino Shorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Piper for being my editor, and special thanks

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<v Speaker 2>as always to my patrons, who are the origin of

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<v Speaker 2>make my channel a special little boy, you can join

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<v Speaker 2>I can be found at links adviceround dot com, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also where you'll find links to my other projects.

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<v Speaker 2>If for whatever reason you want to send me stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Just so you know, I'm switching back and forth between

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<v Speaker 2>Vase and VAZ on purpose because everybody's going to like

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<v Speaker 2>no matter which one I go with, somebody's gonna complain

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So if I go with both, then people

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<v Speaker 2>will be like complaining about me switching back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's funnier. So that's what I'm going for,

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<v Speaker 2>And feel free to put that in their take so

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<v Speaker 2>that they can complain about it and then watch that