WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:07.080 Oh my god, survival he hit him. 2 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.000 This goes on for a while. 3 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.720 Call mea kill joy, but I think that because this 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:15.160 is not to my taste, no one else should be 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:16.199 able to enjoy it. 6 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:47.679 Fourfinger Discount dude. 7 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:36.799 Welcome to four figure Discount, where this week we are 8 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.159 reviewing episode three of season twenty one. It is a 9 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.320 great wife Hope. I'm Dando and I am guy. He 10 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:44.359 is Welcome to the podcast that never taps out. 11 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:46.560 It never does. Indeed, we felt like it from time 12 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.439 to time. Oh yeah, it is a podcast. Work can 13 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:55.079 be hard relatively early on a Wednesday morning, it's actually no, 14 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.679 I'm I'm feeling pumped. I feeling supernatural to supernatural Tuesday, 15 00:00:58.880 --> 00:00:59.840 even though it's a Wednesday. 16 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.799 I was telling you yesterday that I'm eating better, at 17 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.319 exercising more and just getting extra sleep. But I was 18 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.000 saying to you the big thing for me was I 19 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:07.840 was drinking too much Pepsi max. And even though it's 20 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.799 no sugar Pepsi max, it's still syrup in water. Of 21 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:14.239 course it's not good for you. So now I'm just 22 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:16.040 drinking a lot more water, and it's like, oh shit, 23 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.319 whatever everything they always said to you, good foods healthy 24 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:20.480 diet and water. 25 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.920 Unfortunately, you do have to maintain that for an ongoing 26 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.239 kind of period for it to actually have those positive effects. 27 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.359 But but we're getting there baby steps, of course, yeah, 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:31.920 of course, of course. 29 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:33.439 I mean I've said this to you many times. I 30 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.040 mean I relapse all the time, but every once in 31 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:38.040 a while I was sort of go on a bit 32 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:44.359 of a kick like, oh yeah, eating better, moving the body, hydrating. Wow, 33 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.439 they actually do work. 34 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.599 Yes, indeed, Well, thank you to everyone who was watching 35 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:50.079 us on YouTube right now watching us, make sure you 36 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.000 give us a subscribe, give us a thumbs up, and 37 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:53.200 come and blow and tell us what you think of 38 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.959 the review you're about to hear of the Great Wife. 39 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:55.200 Hope. 40 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.719 Now, as an MMA fan or not anymore, I've gone 41 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.840 way from now becoming a dad. You can't watch you 42 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.640 see around with the kids. It's just when I was 43 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.239 a teen, like say, late teens, early twenties, UFC was 44 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.040 a big deal. And when this episode aired back in 45 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.639 two thousand and nine, I was a big MMA fan 46 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.319 from say seven to so maybe eleven. That's when I 47 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.719 was a really big run into MA. It's when it 48 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:15.919 was really starting to hit its peak and I thought 49 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.199 this episode did a good job of doing satire on 50 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.840 UFC or MMA in general. But also it didn't. It 51 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:26.000 wasn't quite realistic, not that realistic satire should be realistic. 52 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.719 But iatched it and enjoyed it, and then I listened, 53 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.759 I've read what Dana White, the owner of UFC said, 54 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.000 or the CEO did you already said on Wikipedia why 55 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.840 he didn't like it? So he wrote, well, he said 56 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:39.599 the president of the president issues and you know, the 57 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:43.000 president of Ultimate Fighting Championship. He told reporters that he 58 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.199 when the episode aired that he did not like the episode. 59 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.400 He added, people like the MMA media always try to 60 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.560 tell me what that were mainstream. Did you see that 61 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.919 Simpsons episode. Chuck Ladale, who's in the episode, he was 62 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.520 a big start at the time. He signs an autograph 63 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.800 for somebody and he says that'll be forty five dollars. 64 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.680 He actually says twenty five dollars. That'll be forty five 65 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.800 dollars please. The sport doesn't like that at all. Then 66 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:04.680 the promoter of the show fights Marge Simpson and the 67 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.879 octagne sucker punches are in the face and then says, 68 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:08.680 you're the only woman I've ever hit that I didn't 69 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.960 love that's the way mainstream looks at us and thinks 70 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.039 of us. And you know that, Oh it's got a 71 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:18.000 good point because I know the being the women's side 72 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.000 of things. It's like, that's one story, but just the 73 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.439 whole the promoter getting into the octagone to fight March, 74 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.159 that's more pro wrestling. And I did read that he 75 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.919 was more of a portrayal of Vince McMahon as opposed 76 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.919 to Dana White. So I think they kind of got 77 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.800 the world's a bit blurred there. 78 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.400 It does sound that way, and I think there was 79 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.879 probably a bit of a conflation of all those things. Yeah, 80 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:41.080 saying I think any sort of contextport, any violent contextport 81 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.960 was generally regarded as you know, all of one piece, 82 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.199 whether it was boxing, wrestling, or in even though the 83 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.520 three things are sort of completely different and seem to 84 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.159 have completely different cultures in a lot of ways. So yeah, look, 85 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:54.039 White's got a point. 86 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.199 I guess there's a lot different now because I feel 87 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:58.879 like you, back in two thousand and nine, that was 88 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.520 a very valid statement. UFC was trying to very much 89 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.360 still steer clear of we are not pro wrestling, we 90 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:05.199 are the opposite. 91 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:06.159 Were more real. 92 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.080 Well, that's the thing where I feel like in twenty 93 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.479 twenty five, you're watching it and combat sports have become 94 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.520 a gimmick. We've got Mike Tyson coming out of retirement, 95 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.800 Jake Balls fighting whoever he wants to fight. Isn't it 96 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.720 kind of agregor didn't he fight Mayweather? That I vaguely 97 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:19.399 recall that. 98 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:23.800 Yeah, it seemed boxing in particularly has become very gimmicky. Yeah, 99 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.079 boxing was seemingly dying on the vin Unfortunately, it seemed 100 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.240 like UFC and MMA was really taking its spot. At 101 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.399 no one watched boxing anymore my age at the time, 102 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.519 when I was early twenties. Well, and I think Tyson's 103 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.480 the one who said he was the one who actually sort 104 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.279 of gave Jake Baulls the one who boxes, right Logan 105 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.000 the wrestler. 106 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.319 Yeah, they're doing well for themselves, man. Yeah, they appreciate 107 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.639 the hustle at least. Yeah, I guess, so you can 108 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:51.040 do that. 109 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.519 The wrestling, she's genuinely good at it. 110 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:54.959 Oh. 111 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.720 Look, they're putting in the hours, there's no two ways 112 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:58.759 about that. And the Yeah, the master market, there's good. 113 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:00.800 More power to them for that, I guess. But yeah, 114 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.319 Tyson is certainly one who said he gave Jake Paul 115 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.199 his props because you know, he's getting eyes on boxing 116 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.360 again because MMA was very much taking spot and so 117 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:15.839 and succeeding boxing as the premiere sort of punching sport. 118 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.399 I guess, you know, wrestling feels very much like its 119 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.920 own thing in its own corner. It's more sports entertainment 120 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:26.120 than sport. Your miles made vary on that when you know, when, 121 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.720 depending on how you feel about it, they're athletes, but 122 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.439 it's a pantomime. Oh yeah, certainly, you know it's got 123 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.360 all these storylines and everything like that. All sports have 124 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.759 their storylines. But yeah, wrestling feels very much in that 125 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.720 in that way. Look, yeah, as I said, why it's 126 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.000 got a point, I guess. I mean I'm not as 127 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.800 well versed in MMA as you are. I was really surprised. 128 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.120 Not long ago, a group of friends and I went out. 129 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:51.759 We were going to watch the Cats play at some. 130 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.639 Bar intent which is, for those who unaware, a local 131 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:55.759 Australians football team. 132 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.519 We weren't actually just going to go watch kittens, although 133 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.839 that it would be much bad, that was like, can 134 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:05.600 we just did that? Guards everyone can enjoy that. We 135 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.720 end up going to a local bar in town, a 136 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.240 sports bar, and it was all MMA all the time. 137 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.639 It was on every screen. One of our friends used 138 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.000 to be a cop now he works as a prison 139 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.680 officer and he was like, there's bad vibes and he 140 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.480 were leaving because yeah, he was just like this honestly 141 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.480 could go from the screen to real life any second. 142 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:25.160 I felt like that. 143 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.160 We have a local venue called the Sporting Globe here 144 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.399 in Geelong and we used to frequent it all the time. 145 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.680 He used to like it and then UFC, paper, Vistakeet 146 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:33.439 and bigger and he'd go there on a Sunday and 147 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.839 it's just a bunch of young dudes with neck tattoo's 148 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.639 just big on everywhere, screaming and came and like, oh, 149 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.439 I mean they're getting old or is this just doesn't 150 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:40.920 feel safe? 151 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.199 Well, the first thing, yeah, the risk of putting a 152 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.199 Cai bosh on a sponsorship. It was the Sporting Clock 153 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.600 that we left quite immediately. Now we went to another 154 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.120 place that also had big screens a lot of sport 155 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.120 being on and they eventually switched over the football. But 156 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.639 when we got there it was all MMA and I'm like, 157 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.839 it's the it's these sport now for young people. Yeah. Yeah, 158 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:00.680 having said that, I mean, look, maybe I'm just old, 159 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.160 maybe out of touch, he says, maybe, I don't think 160 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.360 I could name check any sort of premiere. In MMA Final, 161 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.319 there's Colin McGregor. I guess he's the most high profile. 162 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.480 Back when this episode aired, though, they were big names. 163 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:15.639 But also I think I've just gotten out of touch 164 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.240 with the with the with the with MMA in itself. 165 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.279 But it did feel at this point in time two 166 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.360 thousand and nine that the big stars of the UFC 167 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:26.360 UFC sorry sorry, were mainstream stars and people knew who 168 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.160 Chuck Ladell was and Rampage Jackson. Because they were they 169 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.879 felt bigger than what they also the UFC. Now, is 170 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.360 this the problem with sport in general is it's very 171 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:39.600 diblute to there is just so much of everything. Well, 172 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.079 so like cricket, for example, there's just so much cricket 173 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.279 going on. Obviously there's big stars of cricket, but it's 174 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:45.639 hard to keep up with everything. 175 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.399 Well that's true. I mean, look, I was never a 176 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.040 cricket guy, for instance, but growing up it's like, oh, 177 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.560 I know who Dennis Lily is, I know who Rod 178 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.439 marsh is. Look at the history books kids there. But 179 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.600 I mean these were Jeff Thompson. These were like Australian heroes, 180 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.920 whereas now it's like, I guess there's Pack Cummings. Pack 181 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.439 Comings is a his huge star. Man, you doesn't watch 182 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.600 cricket anymore, but yeah, he's the one that I know. 183 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no it doesn't know 184 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.720 there's any Warnings anymore, that's true. Yeah, so who transcends 185 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.839 the sport? My Pack Commings is a huge star. But 186 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:15.879 if I said to my mom, who's Pack coming, she'd 187 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.319 probably go, I've heard the name. 188 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:18.720 Yeah, but she. 189 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.480 Doesn't watched cricket, you know where my mom would know 190 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.879 who Shane Warned because everyone just knew who Shane war was. Yeah, 191 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.279 America listeners are going, who the hall of Shane warn. 192 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:28.600 He's like Cricket's Tom Brady. 193 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.600 Yeahah exactly, so rest in Peace warning, Yes exactly. But yeah, 194 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.039 so this episode here we had this the MMA vibe. 195 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.600 It was nice seeing them take them Mickey, I guess 196 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.480 out of something that felt relevant at the time, and 197 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.960 I thought it did a pretty good job. Dana white Wood, 198 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.559 he said, aside, I do think the story served us purpose. 199 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:47.799 I think They did a good job with Marge being 200 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.399 able to kick ass but also stay true to herself. Yeah, 201 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.679 even though we've kind of seen these stories before, So 202 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.679 Itchy and Scratchy versus Marge with season two, that's where 203 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.360 she wants to take down the tune show. That's pretty 204 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.360 much what this is. I want to take down. If 205 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:04.759 I don't enjoy it, no one il should be able to. 206 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.240 It's all. It's all summed up in the line call 207 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:08.879 me a kill joy. But because this is not to 208 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.200 my taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it. It 209 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:12.440 was my favorite moments. I thought was a good line. 210 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:14.039 One of my favorite moments as well. 211 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.000 Yeah, and that was very much the Itchy and Scratchy 212 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.679 versus March episode from season two. Then we have like 213 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.679 the Homer Day four which we reviewed with Cool Cabanna, 214 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.360 fellow pro wrestler, the Homer boxing episode where it's just 215 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.240 a very similar thing where it's a big fight built up. 216 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.919 The family are worried about March in this one, Homer 217 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.960 and that one and something saved the day blah blah 218 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.120 blah blah. At least in that one there Homer gets rescued, 219 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.679 March wins essentially, he sure, it's a motherly love that 220 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.559 sort of is the saving grace and. 221 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.000 Mama bear instant. You always hear those stories about ripperdor 222 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:44.679 for car or yeah, it's like, oh much, I was 223 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.759 trapped on a car and I found the strength to 224 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:47.399 lift the car. 225 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.360 Yeah, yeah, so, and I thought it was a good job. 226 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:51.759 Was just that final scene as ridiculous as I was 227 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:53.559 that the owner of this sport was going to be 228 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.600 in the octagon and everyone's just cheering it. 229 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:58.519 Well, yeah, I mean you're very part wrestling. You mentioned 230 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.559 Dana White though as well. I mean, was he previously 231 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.600 a fighter? Never? He's never been. 232 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.240 He's never. I mean he's ripped and stuff, like, he 233 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:06.720 looks like a big guy, it's fit, but he's not. 234 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:08.759 He's never been a fighter. He's never He's deliberately said, 235 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.639 I'm never going to be Evince McMahon in that rega. 236 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.679 I'm not going to be going I'm the star. 237 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:15.960 That's probably a good lesson to live by. 238 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:18.720 But he's also done some bashit in his life there 239 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:20.039 and White but whatever you want to say about that. 240 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.000 But the thing is, he's not going to be on 241 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.600 the poster. He's he's not Baty, Bob, Daniel whe or whatever. 242 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:27.159 But it's not He's not going to be Dana White 243 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.159 versus anybody. Probably wise on hundred percent, you can't take 244 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.120 the sport seriously if you're not gonna be putting serious 245 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:33.639 competitors in the ring. 246 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.360 I think it wanted to take I think from very 247 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.200 early on, this is a sport that wanted to be 248 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:43.000 regarded as a as a sports, as more sport than entertainment. 249 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:44.960 Do you know how it kicked off? You've c so 250 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.919 it'd been around for a long time, and I remember 251 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.240 it used to be very basic, right and throughout the nineties, 252 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.519 it was just like, what is this ultimate fighting Championship? 253 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.200 For mine? It was always kind of like, because I'm 254 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.600 viewing light through the lens of pop culture, and you'd 255 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.159 see a lot of B movies where it's like like, 256 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.120 you know, oh, they're fighting in the octagon, but it 257 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:05.559 was al always very underground. It was always like you'd 258 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.919 have a boxer who killed someone in the ring or something. 259 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.039 It's like, couldn't get real fights anymore, so we had 260 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.000 to go fight underground in the octagon or something. 261 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.080 They took the mickey out of it in Friends as well. 262 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:17.039 One of Monica's boyfriends, John Favreu, Yeah, want to start. 263 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:18.279 He wants to be an Ultimate Fighting I want to 264 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:19.120 be an Ultimate Fighter. 265 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.720 Yeah. Yeah, and it had it had that sort of 266 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.840 not necessarily outlaw cash. It was. It was more hardcore. Yeah, 267 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.759 it's like, sure, you can box, but that's I'm being 268 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:34.799 very dismissive, and yeah it's boxing, you got rules, you know, 269 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.360 this is about survival of the fitter. It felt more primal. 270 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.039 Yeah yeah, and look I may be mistaken that, but yeah, 271 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.440 you're right in that, friends, and that's something that certainly helped, 272 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.000 I won't say necessarily bring it into the mainstream, but 273 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.279 give it a little more prominence. 274 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:48.480 What it was that kicked it off was that when 275 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.360 I was in my teens, this show called The Ultimate 276 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.960 Fighter started, which when reality shows were just sort of fresh, 277 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.519 and it was just you know, they they it was 278 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:57.240 so genius. I'm pretty sure Dana what was the man 279 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.799 behind it. But basically they would have two teams competing 280 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.799 that a professional fighter who's like the captain and whatever, 281 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.600 and the other professional fighter. He picked his team and 282 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.559 they would train these guys up. But they would create 283 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.600 personalities because you get to know them because it's a 284 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.639 reality show. So and then the winners of the UFS 285 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.559 of these shows were going to the UFC, and that's 286 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.639 how they formed relationships with the viewer and they turned 287 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.679 these unknowns into stars. Where now there's just so much content. 288 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.360 Where we all sat down and watched this one show 289 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.360 that The Ultimate Fighter, so we all got to know 290 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.799 the same people. Now there's just so much content to 291 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.240 put out there. It's hard to keep tracking for your 292 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.039 favorites and what nott of thing. But the Ultimate Fighter 293 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.320 reality series, that is what spawned the UFC into what 294 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:34.240 it is today, which. 295 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.320 Is pretty savvy. What similar to is it Drive to Survive? 296 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.879 What's the way? Yeah? The Formula one one? Yeah? Well yeah, 297 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.279 I mean everyone says that. Now that's the one that 298 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:46.000 really brought it. Every One was always popular, of course, 299 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.960 but this really mainstream Yeah made it cool. 300 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.799 Yeah, because all my mates or suddenly playing F one 301 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.440 on the play session, I was like, you guys have 302 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:55.799 never been interested in cars? Have you seen Drive to Survive? 303 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:58.600 I'm like, oh, it's the Ultimate Fighter, but in car 304 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.840 form likewise, I mean, yeah, Netflix, the Netflix effect has 305 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:03.159 been incredible in a lot of ways. 306 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.159 I mean, whether it was full swing with goal for 307 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.440 it was a break point the tennis one. Yeah, because 308 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.240 they know the break point actually got me more into tennis. 309 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.120 I mean, of course I knew it, I knew it existed. 310 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.200 But how many how many tennis players did you know 311 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.240 before watching that? And now did you know after? 312 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:22.440 Which? Yeah, you know what I mean. He gets even 313 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.240 in the Brad Pitt movie F one, Yeah, I think 314 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.159 you have a character name check and said like, oh yeah, 315 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:29.879 I watched her up to Survive. I know what's going on. 316 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.799 So yeah, because yeah, it became the cool thing. But 317 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:34.919 I just thought, yeah, they did a good job of 318 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:36.720 Marge getting to kick ass. He was still say true 319 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.960 to herself. But I was not surprised that Carolyn Amine. 320 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:40.639 Wrote this episode go Sound. 321 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.440 I was like, ah, now, I know. It does feel 322 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.799 like a very Carolyn Amine episode. She's very good at 323 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.879 Tally March stories and particularly the relationship with Marge and 324 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.559 Bart and being a mother herself. A lot of her 325 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:54.440 best episodes are ones where Marge and but have some 326 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.960 sort of like disagreement or whether she's just he's doing 327 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:58.480 something for her or she's doing something for him, and 328 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.679 in this episode, it was she trying to do something 329 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:01.919 for the kids. So I'm trying to get rid of 330 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.039 the UFC because she wants to have a safer future 331 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.360 for them, but as a result of her love for Bart, 332 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.600 that is what drives her to success of course. 333 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.639 Yeah, he my favorite. 334 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.120 Yeah, favorite moments in the episode. You mentioned one before 335 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.039 you're quote necessactly it's the first thing I call me 336 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.240 the children. But I think that this is since this 337 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:18.799 is not my taste, no one el should be able 338 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:20.399 to enjoy it. That you can apply that approach to 339 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:21.360 nearly everybody. 340 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.600 Yeah, I think that's really clever by Caroline as well 341 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.600 in writing that line. If it actually is hers, I mean, 342 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.360 you know, as we've always said, Yeah, it goes to 343 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.720 the room. Everyone has the two cents to the. 344 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.679 Potter that that feels like a line though that was 345 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.279 from the beginning. Yeah, it's good sort of having it 346 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.759 both ways as well, because it does it indicates a 347 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.600 slight level of self righteousness, not necessarily hypocrisy. 348 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.480 Yeah. Fox had its issues back in the early days, 349 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.480 the Fox Network, Children with Mary Children all that. You know, 350 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.559 I had people writing letters saying you should not advertise 351 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.200 in the show because it sucks, Like okay, just because 352 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.120 you thinks it sucks. I mean, other people really enjoying it. 353 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.279 I find it with Friends, right, I was. I liked 354 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:01.759 watching Friends with my mother when I was younger than 355 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.320 I sort of out grow Friends. 356 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:04.320 It wasn't I wasn't cool. 357 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.279 I was like, I'm not watching Friends, I'm watching sign Fund, 358 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.320 I'm watching something else. Right, And now I tell people 359 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.440 I'm doing a Friends podcast, and it's either there's only 360 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:12.559 two responses. 361 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:12.759 To that statement. 362 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.480 I do a Friends podcast with my wife. I love Friends. 363 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.799 Oh god, I can't stand Friends. And the people who say, god, 364 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:19.639 how could you watch that? 365 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:21.279 It's but the people who are saying are they saying 366 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.600 can't stand it because they think it's naff or uncool 367 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.480 or because they're offended by a certain ninety stereot. 368 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:28.919 And that's not that, it's just that they don't find 369 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.759 it funny. It's so stupid, it's so it's ridiculous. It 370 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:32.519 say its bottle of the barrel comedy, and I'm like, 371 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.639 in some ways I watch it, I go, this is 372 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:39.000 very cliche, stereotypical comedy, right, very mainstream. It's also the 373 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.200 very most successful sitcom of all time, arguably, you know 374 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:41.639 what I mean. 375 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.360 So that's kind of a shortcut to thinking that those people. 376 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:46.799 A lot of people do tell that approach. 377 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.000 Like I said, whenever I say we do a Friends podcast, 378 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.559 oh god, I can't stand friends. It's oh I love friends. 379 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.320 There's no my friends is all right? It's always love 380 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:54.879 or hate. 381 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:56.919 Look, I'm not I'm certainly not going to be doing 382 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.000 a Friends podcast. I'm not that much of a super 383 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.759 fan of it. But I mean, you'd have to be 384 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.559 some kind of idiot recognized this is actually very well made, 385 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.120 mainstream sitcom. 386 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.840 And that's what I was one of those people. I'm like, 387 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.440 I'm not watching Friends right where I now watching it? 388 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.320 When the podcast we do with Nicola, check it out. 389 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.480 It's also averb on our YouTube channel now film in 390 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.080 the show. But Nikola, she is a super fan. She 391 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:21.799 loves Friends ever since I've known, and she's just been 392 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.440 not the number one Friends fan. I take the approach 393 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.559 of I more appreciate what I'm what I'm seeing here. 394 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.879 I'm like, I can I sort of review the way 395 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.840 it's put together. When Nicola's like, how funny are the jokes, 396 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.879 I'm like, you see the way Matthew Perry set it up? 397 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:34.559 Though, you know? 398 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.399 And also Friends, I find I be a friends podcast, 399 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.799 but if a tease but Friends, I find was actually 400 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:41.480 very much ahead of the times when it comes to 401 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.919