WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.679 All right, I'm Verne Coats from mary and Iowa. I 2 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.320 play golf at Indian Creek Country Club. And this is 3 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.640 Golf Smarter episode number nine hundred and seventy five. Think 4 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:15.039 of a pyramid. The most important part of the pyramid, 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.480 obviously is the foundation. If we don't have a wide 6 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:20.039 base and foundation, the top's not going to stay put. 7 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.559 So in any building, we want a solid foundation, and 8 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:24.679 then you always start with that. You can't start a 9 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.039 building by building the roof first, it just doesn't work. 10 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:30.960 So our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers 11 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:32.920 they're like, oh, yeah, I know I need to be flexible. 12 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.520 But people don't like to do flexibility work because number one, 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.520 they may not know exactly what they need to do. 14 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.520 It's like, you know, I can stretch my quads, I 15 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:42.600 can stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk 16 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.280 rotations like this, but is that really going to make 17 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:47.759 a measurable difference? And so what we found is that 18 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.200 number one, measure the areas where we need to rotate better. 19 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:53.759 And for a golfer, those are the four key areas 20 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.079 where we need to rotate all your neck so you 21 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.320 can actually turn and see the ball. If you just 22 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.840 do a trunk with your body and then you try 23 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.640 and backseling position, then I try and rotate my head 24 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.319 to look at the ball. I need a good amount 25 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.040 of neck rotation. And for people that if they start 26 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:10.680 to turn their head, or if you notice if you're 27 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.519 driving and you kind of have to turn your whole 28 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.200 body to check behind you, golfers would have to do 29 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.480 a shoulder check. They're finding that the next tighte that's 30 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.680 sure sign that your neck mobility is limited. 31 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:29.040 Playing your best golf after turning fifty, sixty or even 32 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:35.239 seventy with Josh Lays. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, 33 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.519 tips and insights from great golf minds to help you 34 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.200 lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 35 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:43.799 Here's your host, Fred Green. 36 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:46.159 Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 37 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.280 Josh, Hey, thanks for having me. Fred, appreciate being here. 38 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:54.319 Yeah, it's excited about this conversation because you're from Par 39 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:58.040 for Success, which we've spoken to Chris Finn many times 40 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.920 on this podcast, and we talk talked about exercise fitness 41 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.480 for golf, and that's really what you guys specialize in, 42 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.240 is fitness for golf. But today our topic is something 43 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.520 very close to my heart, and that is fitness for 44 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:17.039 golfers over fifty, over sixty, over seven, or. 45 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:18.759 Sent maybe even over eighty. 46 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:22.840 Why not, you know, I would love to be able 47 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.680 to do that because the ultimate goal is to be 48 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.919 able to shoot your age. I think that is the 49 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.319 ultimate hole in one is a nice lucky thing to happen, yes, 50 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:35.680 but there is a way to really prepare yourself to 51 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.520 be able to shoot your aid. That should be the 52 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.080 goal for every golfer, right. 53 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.400 I think when you're young, Fred, maybe shooting your age 54 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.000 for nine holes would be great. But yes, as we 55 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.639 get once we get into our sixties and beyond, And 56 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.759 I've talked to many people. I've had the pleasure of 57 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.560 being in conversation with many members here that are in 58 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:00.560 house and remote clients that are so thrilled to tell 59 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.919 us that thanks so much for helping me shoot my age, 60 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.680 like it never gets old. And that's one of the 61 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.800 throes of the game is being able to play as 62 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.159 long as you as long as you wish. So our 63 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:15.000 mission is simply to help golfer has achieved longevity. We 64 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.560 just define that as you being able to play at 65 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.000 whatever level you want for as long as you want 66 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.479 or whatever level you deem enjoyable. So that's that's what 67 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:23.319 we love doing here. 68 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.599 Yeah, I love you know, shoot your age. He said, 69 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.639 what did you say? You said, shoot your age no 70 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.199 matter how old you get, Well, you know, like we 71 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:37.240 hope to be getting there. 72 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:38.439 That's right. 73 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.159 So I think what we knew need to do, Let's 74 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.680 not start at the at the older end. Let's start 75 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.319 at the younger end and talk about the things that 76 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.560 we can do. I think because for me, I remember 77 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:58.400 what I learned about turning forty, was that everything that 78 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.400 I did in playing sports growing up, you know, like, 79 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.159 oh I hurt myself, Yeah, I'll be fine in a 80 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.120 few minutes, and as you know, as you get older, 81 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.080 a few minutes becomes a couple of days. When I 82 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.719 hit forty, it just took a lot longer to recover 83 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.759 from from minor injuries than it did in the past. 84 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.199 And it was like I got to learn to be patient, 85 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.360 and is this what's going to be happening the rest 86 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:20.920 of my life? 87 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:26.000 Yeah, it's it's that that is the downside to bread 88 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.000 of obviously, of aging, and one ouside. 89 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.279 Is, let me just say, the upside to aging is 90 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.560 your aging. Yeah, because you consider the alternative is. 91 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.319 Not good exactly right where we're still operating, where we're breathing. 92 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.480 So that is every day we can do that, that's great. 93 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:42.079 Well. 94 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.240 A funny story is one of the things that reminded 95 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.279 me of of getting older was when my daughter broke 96 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.240 her a cast. They said they had set it pin 97 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.079 in one of the one of the bones in her forearm, 98 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.759 and I said, oh, is she gonna have the cast? 99 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.040 He said, two weeks, She'll be fine. I said, two 100 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.399 weeks season that you should, like forty sixties, like she's 101 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:07.560 eight years old, she'll be She'll be fine. So when 102 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.480 when when you're really young the bones, the bones aren't 103 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.439 brittle yet. But yeah, what what what golfers can start 104 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.040 to do as they get older? What we typically see 105 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.800 for it? And this is based on our research, and 106 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.360 that's what we love to do here. We love to 107 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.639 compile research and data, physical data on every golfer that 108 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.279 we work with. So not only does that include swing data, 109 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.439 but we've got the physical metrics on what their mobility's 110 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.240 like and what their strength and power are like. So 111 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:40.000 we can tell you physically someone in their twenties, thirties, forties, 112 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:44.439 every decade through the seventies and eighties, what the relative 113 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.439 norms are, so golfers can know what to expect and 114 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.240 what the what's possible, and where they're at, so we 115 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.240 can set really realistic goals and say, hey, if you're 116 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.160 only at the thirtieth percentile for clubhead speed for your 117 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.199 age group, there's no reason to think that you can't 118 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.639 get it to the top twenty five percent with some heart, 119 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.959 with some work. So that's really encouraging the golfers. But 120 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.839 like you said, on the aches and pain side, you know, 121 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.720 golfers typically as they age, every decade we see not 122 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.360 only are the aches and pains going to take a 123 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.639 little bit longer to go away, but we can we 124 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.040 can mitigate that, and we can minimize that by doing 125 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:23.759 the right things. And we'll get into that. But every 126 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.199 about every decade we see after thirty, so once you 127 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.439 kind of like you said, start your forties, every decade 128 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.800 we see about a five mile on hour drop off 129 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:37.199 in club headsby So that's yeah, So that's that's the average. 130 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.199 Some golfers are more somewhere less, but the average is 131 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.319 about is about five miles an hour per decade, So 132 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.680 that amounts to you know, it's probably we're probably talking 133 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.360 fifteen yards every ten years. 134 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.519 Wow, that's a lot. 135 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.680 It it can be. So we get calls from people 136 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:56.480 all the time that are concerned, obviously because hey, I'm 137 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.959 in my mid sixties now and I've lost like thirty yards. 138 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.920 It didn't seem like that long ago, but from five 139 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.680 ten years ago, I'm down twenty five three yards. And 140 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:07.240 that's really really common. 141 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.800 Really really frustrating for sure. 142 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.240 Because golfers are used to playing, you know, a certain 143 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.079 part of the golf course with their buddies, they play 144 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.399 whatever it is, the Blue teas or the white teas, 145 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:21.839 And if everyone's playing from Montie Block and you're all 146 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.720 of a sudden finding it difficult to reach par fours 147 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.680 in regulation and you have no hope at reaching par 148 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.519 fives in two and maybe you know you're just lucky 149 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.000 to get a short club in your hands on your 150 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.360 third shot. That's where golfers can get frustrated, and that's 151 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.720 where we love to help them, because actually helping a 152 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.800 golfer realize that you don't need to do a lot 153 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.720 of crazy things to improve and get better and hit 154 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.199 the ball further and hurt less. You just have to 155 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.000 do a few simple things, really really consistent, and that's 156 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:52.600 what we love to do, and. 157 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.279 That's what we want to talk about simple things too, 158 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.120 because you know a lot of golfers their whole warm 159 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.959 up is going out to the driving range before before 160 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.519 the round of golf, doing a couple of l arm up, 161 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.439 arm up, this, arms up, bend over once or twice. 162 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.120 Sweep, touch your toes, maybe maybe. 163 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.120 Try to touch your toes. And my favorite is swinging 164 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.439 two clubs at once. It's like, okay, I'm ready to 165 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.399 go and they pull out the driver. What are you doing? 166 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.920 Yeah? Yeah, And there's lots of things that we can 167 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.959 do to get golfers not only warmed up, but to 168 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.879 help them recover after they're playing. It's usually after a 169 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.600 golfer play is done playing, especially if you walk the course, 170 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.720 if you've got any more than a five minute drive home, 171 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.399 you know, the body starts to cool off, or maybe 172 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:42.559 you have a drink or two in the grow room, 173 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:43.840 and then you get in your car, and then you 174 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.440 get out of your car, and you take takes more 175 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.679 than thirty seconds to sort of get into an upright 176 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:50.320 position when you're trying to get out of your chair. 177 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.080 So that those are the things that we get a 178 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.320 lot of sort of complaints about golfers is that they're just, hey, 179 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.440 I'm starting to feel old and I don't really like 180 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.039 it anymore. And the what we really we try and 181 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.639 simplify it for people, and to take a very broad approach. 182 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:11.240 There's a couple we'd like to talk about how we're 183 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.320 going to help people get better. So I'd like to 184 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.080 share a little bit about that and just give you 185 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.360 the illustration of a think of a pyramid. Right, So 186 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.639 the most important part of the pyramid obviously is the foundation, 187 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.960 because if we don't have a wide base and foundation, 188 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.159 the top is it's not going to stay put. So 189 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.399 in any building, we want a solid foundation and then 190 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.799 you always start with that. You can't start a building 191 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.159 by building a roof first, it just doesn't work. So 192 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:43.320 our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers they're like, oh, yeah, 193 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:47.399 I know I need to be flexible. But people don't 194 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:51.000 like to do flexibility work because number one, they may 195 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.159 not know exactly what they need to do. Right. It's like, well, 196 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.000 I you know, I can stretch my quads, I can 197 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.159 stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk rotations 198 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.480 like this, but what is that really going to make 199 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.919 a measurable difference? Right? And so what we found is 200 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.600 that if we actually number one, measure the areas where 201 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.960 we need to rotate better, right, and that for a golfer, 202 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.840 those are the four key areas where we need to 203 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:18.639 rotate are your neck so you can actually turn and 204 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.200 see the ball. If you imagine me, you know, the 205 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.320 coffers are just listening. If you just do a trunk 206 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.080 turn and with your body and then you try and 207 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.759 into a baseline position, then I try and rotate my 208 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:30.840 head to look at the ball. I need a good 209 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.559 amount of neck rotation. And for people that actually if 210 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.279 they start to turn their head or if you notice, 211 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.399 if you're driving and you kind of have to turn 212 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.799 your whole body to check behind you. We have the 213 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.320 luxury of those backup cameras now, but before that golfers 214 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.480 would have to actually, you know, to do a shoulder check. There. 215 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.519 They're finding that the next type, that's a sure sign 216 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.279 that your your neck mobility is limited. So that's going 217 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.480 to limit one, your ability to make a big turn 218 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:57.840 and keep your eye on the ball. Number two, we 219 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:00.919 need to rotate your trunk and your spine, and then 220 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.440 number three is your shoulders, which are going to be 221 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:08.120 more in control of the club path. So golfers that 222 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.759 are top, if they want to be more consistent, they 223 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.879 want to eliminate a slice. We know that that right 224 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.759 shoulder trail shoulder. If we're talking about right handed golfers, 225 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.399 it's the right shoulder that needs good rotation. This way 226 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.720 external rotation. So if I take my arm in a 227 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.720 ninety degree position, I try and point my thumb way 228 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.600 back behind me. We want to see that form get 229 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.879 well behind you like that, and if it's only getting 230 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.279 to parallel to the or perpendicular to the ground, then 231 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:38.639 it's definitely limited. That's going to allow you to shallow 232 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.080 the club on the downswing. So for golfers that are 233 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.440 complaining of over the top move and if you feel like, oh, 234 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.799 you're trying to arch your back to do that, that's 235 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.840 probably a sure sign that, oh, my shoulder might not 236 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.120 rotate enough. So that's going to be a reason why 237 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.480 golfers come over the top, which is a distance killer 238 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.399 as well. And the last one is the hips. The 239 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.960 is you know happy, No, it wasn't happy. Gilmore's chuck 240 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.679 Peterson said, it's all in the hips, right, It's all 241 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.720 in the hips. Happy. So if our hips don't rotate, 242 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.759 the hips are essentially the connection between your lower body 243 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.600 and your upper body. But if our hips don't rotate 244 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:15.919 well enough, Fred, your body is not going to be 245 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.960 able to make a good weight shift and help you 246 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.720 get onto your lead side in the gulf, which is 247 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.720 essentially what's going to create a lot of your clubhead speed. 248 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.000 Is that that weight shift from trail side the lead side. 249 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.720 So we make sure from a mobility standpoint that that 250 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:34.360 foundation is really, really solid, and then we start to 251 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:34.919 build up. 252 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.600 So as you're explaining each of these moves, I'm sitting 253 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.879 here trying to do them and you're watching me, and 254 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:51.639 it's like, ow right, I'm trying to make my arm 255 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.799 go you go straight back, and I can't get it 256 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.360 past forty five degrees and it hurts. 257 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:58.840 It hurts my shoulder. 258 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:00.879 It's like, wait a minute, I thought I was a 259 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:01.840 flexible person. 260 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:03.960 You probably were at one time. 261 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.519 Yeah, thanks guy. And it's not going very well right now. 262 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.799 So I don't know where to begin here. Uh this 263 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.240 is this is we started about forty year old. But 264 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:19.960 I'm going right to close to seventy. Here, let's let's 265 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.960 do more shoulders and hips and I you know, I 266 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:29.200 do stretches pretty much five days a week. I'll spend 267 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.159 you know, half hour forty five minutes doing things. But 268 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.759 I guess I'm not doing enough, although well, yeah. 269 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:38.440 It may not be that you're not doing enough. It's 270 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.879 just making sure that we're doing the right things. That is. 271 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.000 That is, that's the big key. So that's again why 272 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.840 we test those things. So we'll we'll test people, you know, 273 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.840 every two to four weeks on their mobility because you 274 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:52.840 can actually make significant measurable gains in your ability to 275 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.240 rotate in a couple of weeks, and that's that's usually 276 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.840 what we see, some like measurable progress. So hit the 277 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.120 hip tests. Actually we didn't get into that one, but 278 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.600 our hips need to internally rotate, so that would be 279 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:09.720 like me, I'll just for anybody that can see, if 280 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.440 I'm sitting and I try and rotate my thigh like this, 281 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.840 If you're sitting and you try and rotate so your 282 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:21.039 your shin actually moves outwards like that for golfers that 283 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.679 your shin only rotates a little bit and you're trying 284 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.759 to not lean to the side and you're just trying 285 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:28.279 to rotate your thigh and the inwards, so your foot 286 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.840 goes out. If we don't have close to forty five 287 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:35.039 degrees of rotation this way with the hip, that's a 288 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.080 significant limitation. Most golfers are like, oh, I'm getting a 289 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.840 cramp in my hip when I do that motion. That's 290 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.279 probably a sign that your hip rotation is limited. And 291 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.639 the lead side, the left side is actually for left 292 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.159 side for a right handed golfer, is going to be 293 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:55.480 where we need the most internal rotation because that rotation 294 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:59.240 is where you actually post up on this lead side, 295 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.360 so that's where we eat a lot of that internal rotation. 296 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.279 So if you're having trouble getting onto your lead side 297 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.480 and if you're having trouble posting up and shifting weight, 298 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.840 that is a real primary area that we usually target 299 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.799 with golfers. So that is really key. So we measure it, 300 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.399 we test it, and if golfers don't pass, you know, 301 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.039 in terms of how many degrees they're rotating, we just 302 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.840 give them a very specific targeted plan for hip rotation 303 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.639 where we can gain you know, five, ten, fifteen degrees 304 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.399 hip rotation in a month or two and that gets 305 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.039 them to a spot where not only will they see 306 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.799 improvements in how their swing feels and I'm able to 307 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.840 get onto my lead side, but we'll see that golfers 308 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.240 don't have this stiffle over back that they usually have 309 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.080 after playing golf, because if those hips don't rotate, If 310 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.120 you just think of a ball and socket joint, that 311 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.159 ball in socket's designed to rotate, which is your hip socket. 312 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.559 If they don't rotate and they're stuck, guess what's going 313 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.600 to compensate? Body goes up the chain and ask the 314 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.600 lower back, hey, can you move a little bit more 315 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.799 than you really should to help out these hips that 316 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.919 don't rotate. So the lower back typically side bends and 317 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.279 twists in an effort to kind of get through the swing, 318 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.480 and that's where the lower back takes a lot of 319 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.919 the stress. So all the parts are somewhat connected, but 320 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:20.679 it's really important for golfers to understand that rotary mobility 321 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:24.879 is that foundation to the pyramid. Usually golfers will look to, 322 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.919 you know, one of four places to try and improve 323 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.960 their performance. The first two places they'll usually look for 324 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:36.080 better technique, which makes sense, like taking lessons seeing a 325 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.159 pro is great and then equipment. Those would be the 326 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.519 first two places golfers will usually try and improve. If 327 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.200 you think of four pieces of the pie, we've got 328 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.519 our technique. So seeing a golf pro working on your skills, 329 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.159 that can be great. But if you can't physically move 330 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.360 into the positions where a teacher is trying to get 331 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:58.480 you to, it's going to be difficult for the instructor 332 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.200 to gate to see big improve It's because, well, if 333 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.960 this person can't rotate their trunk, they can't rotate their hips, 334 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.599 they're really stiff. I'm going to have to work around 335 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.079 these limitations. Whereas if we get the golfer to move correctly, 336 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.680 then all of a sudden, those technical issues in the 337 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:17.240 swing over the top or early extension or maybe they've 338 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.359 got a chicken wing finish, a lot of those technical 339 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.400 issues are actually they're because of a physical restriction. So 340 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:28.960 the tech the problem, it's not a technical issue in 341 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.519 this swing. It's just a physical restriction that's presenting as 342 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.599 a technical problem in the swing. Because your body will 343 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.319 just work within its within its physical limits. 344 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.359 We just have to well, I'm curious, you should should 345 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.759 an instructor just like okay, I can see your physical limitations. 346 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.599 Let's make your swing. You know, I know you want 347 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:53.079 more consistency and you want more distance, but you can't 348 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.400 get there with the body you're working with. And if 349 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.200 you're not willing to work on that body, let's try 350 00:17:58.200 --> 00:17:59.400 to figure that out. 351 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.759 That definitely has to be a conversation between the pro 352 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.559 and the golfer. But most golfers, number one, they want 353 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.759 to hit it further, and they want to hit it straighter, obviously, 354 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.279 and they want to hurt less in the process. So 355 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.720 if the person's physical bodies and allowing them to make 356 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.319 any progress in the swing, you obviously are going to 357 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.359 have to I think at the bare minimum, the instructor 358 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.119 should be able to see that there's a restriction and 359 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.559 that they could refer out to someone like us to say, hey, 360 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:30.759 this person needs help rotating. Can you can you help them? 361 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.279 And then we definitely that's what we usually see with 362 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.720 people that are starting with this, is that my golf 363 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.240 pro is trying to get me to this position in 364 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:43.240 the backswing or to start my downswing with getting onto 365 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.559 my lead hip. And then we go and measure their 366 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.799 lead hip and it's only got fifteen degrees of rotation. 367 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.240 When that lead hip should get forty five degrees of rotation. Well, 368 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.640 it's it's actually not a surprise that you can't get 369 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.480 onto your lead hip. It's not that you're not trying. 370 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.359 It's not that you're The brain is saying, okay, get 371 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.039 onto your lead yep, come on, but the body is 372 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.880 if it's if there's a physical restriction, we just need 373 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:09.119 to work around that. So that's where often the yeah, 374 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.119 golfers will go to technique, they'll go to equipment, but 375 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.640 mobility and then strengthen power are the other two pieces 376 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.440 of that puzzle, and that's where you golfers will usually 377 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.200 look last. Obviously I'm biased. I think that we should 378 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.160 go there first because make sure your body can physically 379 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.200 handle the demands of what we're trying to get it 380 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.640 to do. Because physically, the golf swing is a daunting 381 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.920 task to actually place that club that sweet spot on 382 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:36.960 a golf the sweet spot's probably, you know, but the 383 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.799 size of a quarter, and you're trying to you're trying 384 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.319 to move a club head anywhere from probably eighty to 385 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.519 one hundred plus miles an hour in the span of 386 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:50.480 less than two seconds. It's a minor miracle that golfers 387 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:51.960 actually make contact with the ball. 388 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.160 Well, you're a lot of help. Yeah, I just want 389 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.119 to let the podcast listeners know that, you know, it 390 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.039 sounded as if Josh kind of got far away from 391 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.880 the microphone, which he did because on video he had 392 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.200 to step, you know, move back so he can show 393 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:10.880 us and we were able to see his whole body. 394 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.319 So I just want you to know that I will 395 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:17.160 go ahead and put this entire interview on video on YouTube. 396 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.480 If you go to YouTube at golf Smarter, you'll be 397 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:23.599 able to see this interview and you'll see exactly what 398 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:29.559 Josh was doing. But for those listening, thank you, and 399 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.480 you know, let's carry on. Okay. So you're saying there's 400 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:39.920 four parts, the technique, then equipment, then three and four. 401 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:48.440