Speaker 1: All right, I'm Verne Coats from mary and Iowa. I
Speaker 1: play golf at Indian Creek Country Club. And this is
Speaker 1: Golf Smarter episode number nine hundred and seventy five. Think
Speaker 1: of a pyramid. The most important part of the pyramid,
Speaker 1: obviously is the foundation. If we don't have a wide
Speaker 1: base and foundation, the top's not going to stay put.
Speaker 1: So in any building, we want a solid foundation, and
Speaker 1: then you always start with that. You can't start a
Speaker 1: building by building the roof first, it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, I know I need to be flexible.
Speaker 1: But people don't like to do flexibility work because number one,
Speaker 1: they may not know exactly what they need to do.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I can stretch my quads, I
Speaker 1: can stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk
Speaker 1: rotations like this, but is that really going to make
Speaker 1: a measurable difference? And so what we found is that
Speaker 1: number one, measure the areas where we need to rotate better.
Speaker 1: And for a golfer, those are the four key areas
Speaker 1: where we need to rotate all your neck so you
Speaker 1: can actually turn and see the ball. If you just
Speaker 1: do a trunk with your body and then you try
Speaker 1: and backseling position, then I try and rotate my head
Speaker 1: to look at the ball. I need a good amount
Speaker 1: of neck rotation. And for people that if they start
Speaker 1: to turn their head, or if you notice if you're
Speaker 1: driving and you kind of have to turn your whole
Speaker 1: body to check behind you, golfers would have to do
Speaker 1: a shoulder check. They're finding that the next tighte that's
Speaker 1: sure sign that your neck mobility is limited.
Speaker 2: Playing your best golf after turning fifty, sixty or even
Speaker 2: seventy with Josh Lays. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,
Speaker 2: tips and insights from great golf minds to help you
Speaker 2: lower your score and raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.
Speaker 1: Josh, Hey, thanks for having me. Fred, appreciate being here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's excited about this conversation because you're from Par
Speaker 2: for Success, which we've spoken to Chris Finn many times
Speaker 2: on this podcast, and we talk talked about exercise fitness
Speaker 2: for golf, and that's really what you guys specialize in,
Speaker 2: is fitness for golf. But today our topic is something
Speaker 2: very close to my heart, and that is fitness for
Speaker 2: golfers over fifty, over sixty, over seven, or.
Speaker 1: Sent maybe even over eighty.
Speaker 2: Why not, you know, I would love to be able
Speaker 2: to do that because the ultimate goal is to be
Speaker 2: able to shoot your age. I think that is the
Speaker 2: ultimate hole in one is a nice lucky thing to happen, yes,
Speaker 2: but there is a way to really prepare yourself to
Speaker 2: be able to shoot your aid. That should be the
Speaker 2: goal for every golfer, right.
Speaker 1: I think when you're young, Fred, maybe shooting your age
Speaker 1: for nine holes would be great. But yes, as we
Speaker 1: get once we get into our sixties and beyond, And
Speaker 1: I've talked to many people. I've had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: being in conversation with many members here that are in
Speaker 1: house and remote clients that are so thrilled to tell
Speaker 1: us that thanks so much for helping me shoot my age,
Speaker 1: like it never gets old. And that's one of the
Speaker 1: throes of the game is being able to play as
Speaker 1: long as you as long as you wish. So our
Speaker 1: mission is simply to help golfer has achieved longevity. We
Speaker 1: just define that as you being able to play at
Speaker 1: whatever level you want for as long as you want
Speaker 1: or whatever level you deem enjoyable. So that's that's what
Speaker 1: we love doing here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you know, shoot your age. He said,
Speaker 2: what did you say? You said, shoot your age no
Speaker 2: matter how old you get, Well, you know, like we
Speaker 2: hope to be getting there.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So I think what we knew need to do, Let's
Speaker 2: not start at the at the older end. Let's start
Speaker 2: at the younger end and talk about the things that
Speaker 2: we can do. I think because for me, I remember
Speaker 2: what I learned about turning forty, was that everything that
Speaker 2: I did in playing sports growing up, you know, like,
Speaker 2: oh I hurt myself, Yeah, I'll be fine in a
Speaker 2: few minutes, and as you know, as you get older,
Speaker 2: a few minutes becomes a couple of days. When I
Speaker 2: hit forty, it just took a lot longer to recover
Speaker 2: from from minor injuries than it did in the past.
Speaker 2: And it was like I got to learn to be patient,
Speaker 2: and is this what's going to be happening the rest
Speaker 2: of my life?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's that that is the downside to bread
Speaker 1: of obviously, of aging, and one ouside.
Speaker 2: Is, let me just say, the upside to aging is
Speaker 2: your aging. Yeah, because you consider the alternative is.
Speaker 1: Not good exactly right where we're still operating, where we're breathing.
Speaker 1: So that is every day we can do that, that's great.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: A funny story is one of the things that reminded
Speaker 1: me of of getting older was when my daughter broke
Speaker 1: her a cast. They said they had set it pin
Speaker 1: in one of the one of the bones in her forearm,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, is she gonna have the cast?
Speaker 1: He said, two weeks, She'll be fine. I said, two
Speaker 1: weeks season that you should, like forty sixties, like she's
Speaker 1: eight years old, she'll be She'll be fine. So when
Speaker 1: when when you're really young the bones, the bones aren't
Speaker 1: brittle yet. But yeah, what what what golfers can start
Speaker 1: to do as they get older? What we typically see
Speaker 1: for it? And this is based on our research, and
Speaker 1: that's what we love to do here. We love to
Speaker 1: compile research and data, physical data on every golfer that
Speaker 1: we work with. So not only does that include swing data,
Speaker 1: but we've got the physical metrics on what their mobility's
Speaker 1: like and what their strength and power are like. So
Speaker 1: we can tell you physically someone in their twenties, thirties, forties,
Speaker 1: every decade through the seventies and eighties, what the relative
Speaker 1: norms are, so golfers can know what to expect and
Speaker 1: what the what's possible, and where they're at, so we
Speaker 1: can set really realistic goals and say, hey, if you're
Speaker 1: only at the thirtieth percentile for clubhead speed for your
Speaker 1: age group, there's no reason to think that you can't
Speaker 1: get it to the top twenty five percent with some heart,
Speaker 1: with some work. So that's really encouraging the golfers. But
Speaker 1: like you said, on the aches and pain side, you know,
Speaker 1: golfers typically as they age, every decade we see not
Speaker 1: only are the aches and pains going to take a
Speaker 1: little bit longer to go away, but we can we
Speaker 1: can mitigate that, and we can minimize that by doing
Speaker 1: the right things. And we'll get into that. But every
Speaker 1: about every decade we see after thirty, so once you
Speaker 1: kind of like you said, start your forties, every decade
Speaker 1: we see about a five mile on hour drop off
Speaker 1: in club headsby So that's yeah, So that's that's the average.
Speaker 1: Some golfers are more somewhere less, but the average is
Speaker 1: about is about five miles an hour per decade, So
Speaker 1: that amounts to you know, it's probably we're probably talking
Speaker 1: fifteen yards every ten years.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: It it can be. So we get calls from people
Speaker 1: all the time that are concerned, obviously because hey, I'm
Speaker 1: in my mid sixties now and I've lost like thirty yards.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like that long ago, but from five
Speaker 1: ten years ago, I'm down twenty five three yards. And
Speaker 1: that's really really common.
Speaker 2: Really really frustrating for sure.
Speaker 1: Because golfers are used to playing, you know, a certain
Speaker 1: part of the golf course with their buddies, they play
Speaker 1: whatever it is, the Blue teas or the white teas,
Speaker 1: And if everyone's playing from Montie Block and you're all
Speaker 1: of a sudden finding it difficult to reach par fours
Speaker 1: in regulation and you have no hope at reaching par
Speaker 1: fives in two and maybe you know you're just lucky
Speaker 1: to get a short club in your hands on your
Speaker 1: third shot. That's where golfers can get frustrated, and that's
Speaker 1: where we love to help them, because actually helping a
Speaker 1: golfer realize that you don't need to do a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy things to improve and get better and hit
Speaker 1: the ball further and hurt less. You just have to
Speaker 1: do a few simple things, really really consistent, and that's
Speaker 1: what we love to do, and.
Speaker 2: That's what we want to talk about simple things too,
Speaker 2: because you know a lot of golfers their whole warm
Speaker 2: up is going out to the driving range before before
Speaker 2: the round of golf, doing a couple of l arm up,
Speaker 2: arm up, this, arms up, bend over once or twice.
Speaker 1: Sweep, touch your toes, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Try to touch your toes. And my favorite is swinging
Speaker 2: two clubs at once. It's like, okay, I'm ready to
Speaker 2: go and they pull out the driver. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And there's lots of things that we can
Speaker 1: do to get golfers not only warmed up, but to
Speaker 1: help them recover after they're playing. It's usually after a
Speaker 1: golfer play is done playing, especially if you walk the course,
Speaker 1: if you've got any more than a five minute drive home,
Speaker 1: you know, the body starts to cool off, or maybe
Speaker 1: you have a drink or two in the grow room,
Speaker 1: and then you get in your car, and then you
Speaker 1: get out of your car, and you take takes more
Speaker 1: than thirty seconds to sort of get into an upright
Speaker 1: position when you're trying to get out of your chair.
Speaker 1: So that those are the things that we get a
Speaker 1: lot of sort of complaints about golfers is that they're just, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel old and I don't really like
Speaker 1: it anymore. And the what we really we try and
Speaker 1: simplify it for people, and to take a very broad approach.
Speaker 1: There's a couple we'd like to talk about how we're
Speaker 1: going to help people get better. So I'd like to
Speaker 1: share a little bit about that and just give you
Speaker 1: the illustration of a think of a pyramid. Right, So
Speaker 1: the most important part of the pyramid obviously is the foundation,
Speaker 1: because if we don't have a wide base and foundation,
Speaker 1: the top is it's not going to stay put. So
Speaker 1: in any building, we want a solid foundation and then
Speaker 1: you always start with that. You can't start a building
Speaker 1: by building a roof first, it just doesn't work. So
Speaker 1: our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I need to be flexible. But people don't
Speaker 1: like to do flexibility work because number one, they may
Speaker 1: not know exactly what they need to do. Right. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I you know, I can stretch my quads, I can
Speaker 1: stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk rotations
Speaker 1: like this, but what is that really going to make
Speaker 1: a measurable difference? Right? And so what we found is
Speaker 1: that if we actually number one, measure the areas where
Speaker 1: we need to rotate better, right, and that for a golfer,
Speaker 1: those are the four key areas where we need to
Speaker 1: rotate are your neck so you can actually turn and
Speaker 1: see the ball. If you imagine me, you know, the
Speaker 1: coffers are just listening. If you just do a trunk
Speaker 1: turn and with your body and then you try and
Speaker 1: into a baseline position, then I try and rotate my
Speaker 1: head to look at the ball. I need a good
Speaker 1: amount of neck rotation. And for people that actually if
Speaker 1: they start to turn their head or if you notice,
Speaker 1: if you're driving and you kind of have to turn
Speaker 1: your whole body to check behind you. We have the
Speaker 1: luxury of those backup cameras now, but before that golfers
Speaker 1: would have to actually, you know, to do a shoulder check. There.
Speaker 1: They're finding that the next type, that's a sure sign
Speaker 1: that your your neck mobility is limited. So that's going
Speaker 1: to limit one, your ability to make a big turn
Speaker 1: and keep your eye on the ball. Number two, we
Speaker 1: need to rotate your trunk and your spine, and then
Speaker 1: number three is your shoulders, which are going to be
Speaker 1: more in control of the club path. So golfers that
Speaker 1: are top, if they want to be more consistent, they
Speaker 1: want to eliminate a slice. We know that that right
Speaker 1: shoulder trail shoulder. If we're talking about right handed golfers,
Speaker 1: it's the right shoulder that needs good rotation. This way
Speaker 1: external rotation. So if I take my arm in a
Speaker 1: ninety degree position, I try and point my thumb way
Speaker 1: back behind me. We want to see that form get
Speaker 1: well behind you like that, and if it's only getting
Speaker 1: to parallel to the or perpendicular to the ground, then
Speaker 1: it's definitely limited. That's going to allow you to shallow
Speaker 1: the club on the downswing. So for golfers that are
Speaker 1: complaining of over the top move and if you feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're trying to arch your back to do that, that's
Speaker 1: probably a sure sign that, oh, my shoulder might not
Speaker 1: rotate enough. So that's going to be a reason why
Speaker 1: golfers come over the top, which is a distance killer
Speaker 1: as well. And the last one is the hips. The
Speaker 1: is you know happy, No, it wasn't happy. Gilmore's chuck
Speaker 1: Peterson said, it's all in the hips, right, It's all
Speaker 1: in the hips. Happy. So if our hips don't rotate,
Speaker 1: the hips are essentially the connection between your lower body
Speaker 1: and your upper body. But if our hips don't rotate
Speaker 1: well enough, Fred, your body is not going to be
Speaker 1: able to make a good weight shift and help you
Speaker 1: get onto your lead side in the gulf, which is
Speaker 1: essentially what's going to create a lot of your clubhead speed.
Speaker 1: Is that that weight shift from trail side the lead side.
Speaker 1: So we make sure from a mobility standpoint that that
Speaker 1: foundation is really, really solid, and then we start to
Speaker 1: build up.
Speaker 2: So as you're explaining each of these moves, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here trying to do them and you're watching me, and
Speaker 2: it's like, ow right, I'm trying to make my arm
Speaker 2: go you go straight back, and I can't get it
Speaker 2: past forty five degrees and it hurts.
Speaker 1: It hurts my shoulder.
Speaker 2: It's like, wait a minute, I thought I was a
Speaker 2: flexible person.
Speaker 1: You probably were at one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks guy. And it's not going very well right now.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where to begin here. Uh this
Speaker 2: is this is we started about forty year old. But
Speaker 2: I'm going right to close to seventy. Here, let's let's
Speaker 2: do more shoulders and hips and I you know, I
Speaker 2: do stretches pretty much five days a week. I'll spend
Speaker 2: you know, half hour forty five minutes doing things. But
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not doing enough, although well, yeah.
Speaker 1: It may not be that you're not doing enough. It's
Speaker 1: just making sure that we're doing the right things. That is.
Speaker 1: That is, that's the big key. So that's again why
Speaker 1: we test those things. So we'll we'll test people, you know,
Speaker 1: every two to four weeks on their mobility because you
Speaker 1: can actually make significant measurable gains in your ability to
Speaker 1: rotate in a couple of weeks, and that's that's usually
Speaker 1: what we see, some like measurable progress. So hit the
Speaker 1: hip tests. Actually we didn't get into that one, but
Speaker 1: our hips need to internally rotate, so that would be
Speaker 1: like me, I'll just for anybody that can see, if
Speaker 1: I'm sitting and I try and rotate my thigh like this,
Speaker 1: If you're sitting and you try and rotate so your
Speaker 1: your shin actually moves outwards like that for golfers that
Speaker 1: your shin only rotates a little bit and you're trying
Speaker 1: to not lean to the side and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to rotate your thigh and the inwards, so your foot
Speaker 1: goes out. If we don't have close to forty five
Speaker 1: degrees of rotation this way with the hip, that's a
Speaker 1: significant limitation. Most golfers are like, oh, I'm getting a
Speaker 1: cramp in my hip when I do that motion. That's
Speaker 1: probably a sign that your hip rotation is limited. And
Speaker 1: the lead side, the left side is actually for left
Speaker 1: side for a right handed golfer, is going to be
Speaker 1: where we need the most internal rotation because that rotation
Speaker 1: is where you actually post up on this lead side,
Speaker 1: so that's where we eat a lot of that internal rotation.
Speaker 1: So if you're having trouble getting onto your lead side
Speaker 1: and if you're having trouble posting up and shifting weight,
Speaker 1: that is a real primary area that we usually target
Speaker 1: with golfers. So that is really key. So we measure it,
Speaker 1: we test it, and if golfers don't pass, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of how many degrees they're rotating, we just
Speaker 1: give them a very specific targeted plan for hip rotation
Speaker 1: where we can gain you know, five, ten, fifteen degrees
Speaker 1: hip rotation in a month or two and that gets
Speaker 1: them to a spot where not only will they see
Speaker 1: improvements in how their swing feels and I'm able to
Speaker 1: get onto my lead side, but we'll see that golfers
Speaker 1: don't have this stiffle over back that they usually have
Speaker 1: after playing golf, because if those hips don't rotate, If
Speaker 1: you just think of a ball and socket joint, that
Speaker 1: ball in socket's designed to rotate, which is your hip socket.
Speaker 1: If they don't rotate and they're stuck, guess what's going
Speaker 1: to compensate? Body goes up the chain and ask the
Speaker 1: lower back, hey, can you move a little bit more
Speaker 1: than you really should to help out these hips that
Speaker 1: don't rotate. So the lower back typically side bends and
Speaker 1: twists in an effort to kind of get through the swing,
Speaker 1: and that's where the lower back takes a lot of
Speaker 1: the stress. So all the parts are somewhat connected, but
Speaker 1: it's really important for golfers to understand that rotary mobility
Speaker 1: is that foundation to the pyramid. Usually golfers will look to,
Speaker 1: you know, one of four places to try and improve
Speaker 1: their performance. The first two places they'll usually look for
Speaker 1: better technique, which makes sense, like taking lessons seeing a
Speaker 1: pro is great and then equipment. Those would be the
Speaker 1: first two places golfers will usually try and improve. If
Speaker 1: you think of four pieces of the pie, we've got
Speaker 1: our technique. So seeing a golf pro working on your skills,
Speaker 1: that can be great. But if you can't physically move
Speaker 1: into the positions where a teacher is trying to get
Speaker 1: you to, it's going to be difficult for the instructor
Speaker 1: to gate to see big improve It's because, well, if
Speaker 1: this person can't rotate their trunk, they can't rotate their hips,
Speaker 1: they're really stiff. I'm going to have to work around
Speaker 1: these limitations. Whereas if we get the golfer to move correctly,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, those technical issues in the
Speaker 1: swing over the top or early extension or maybe they've
Speaker 1: got a chicken wing finish, a lot of those technical
Speaker 1: issues are actually they're because of a physical restriction. So
Speaker 1: the tech the problem, it's not a technical issue in
Speaker 1: this swing. It's just a physical restriction that's presenting as
Speaker 1: a technical problem in the swing. Because your body will
Speaker 1: just work within its within its physical limits.
Speaker 2: We just have to well, I'm curious, you should should
Speaker 2: an instructor just like okay, I can see your physical limitations.
Speaker 2: Let's make your swing. You know, I know you want
Speaker 2: more consistency and you want more distance, but you can't
Speaker 2: get there with the body you're working with. And if
Speaker 2: you're not willing to work on that body, let's try
Speaker 2: to figure that out.
Speaker 1: That definitely has to be a conversation between the pro
Speaker 1: and the golfer. But most golfers, number one, they want
Speaker 1: to hit it further, and they want to hit it straighter, obviously,
Speaker 1: and they want to hurt less in the process. So
Speaker 1: if the person's physical bodies and allowing them to make
Speaker 1: any progress in the swing, you obviously are going to
Speaker 1: have to I think at the bare minimum, the instructor
Speaker 1: should be able to see that there's a restriction and
Speaker 1: that they could refer out to someone like us to say, hey,
Speaker 1: this person needs help rotating. Can you can you help them?
Speaker 1: And then we definitely that's what we usually see with
Speaker 1: people that are starting with this, is that my golf
Speaker 1: pro is trying to get me to this position in
Speaker 1: the backswing or to start my downswing with getting onto
Speaker 1: my lead hip. And then we go and measure their
Speaker 1: lead hip and it's only got fifteen degrees of rotation.
Speaker 1: When that lead hip should get forty five degrees of rotation. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's actually not a surprise that you can't get
Speaker 1: onto your lead hip. It's not that you're not trying.
Speaker 1: It's not that you're The brain is saying, okay, get
Speaker 1: onto your lead yep, come on, but the body is
Speaker 1: if it's if there's a physical restriction, we just need
Speaker 1: to work around that. So that's where often the yeah,
Speaker 1: golfers will go to technique, they'll go to equipment, but
Speaker 1: mobility and then strengthen power are the other two pieces
Speaker 1: of that puzzle, and that's where you golfers will usually
Speaker 1: look last. Obviously I'm biased. I think that we should
Speaker 1: go there first because make sure your body can physically
Speaker 1: handle the demands of what we're trying to get it
Speaker 1: to do. Because physically, the golf swing is a daunting
Speaker 1: task to actually place that club that sweet spot on
Speaker 1: a golf the sweet spot's probably, you know, but the
Speaker 1: size of a quarter, and you're trying to you're trying
Speaker 1: to move a club head anywhere from probably eighty to
Speaker 1: one hundred plus miles an hour in the span of
Speaker 1: less than two seconds. It's a minor miracle that golfers
Speaker 1: actually make contact with the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, you're a lot of help. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: to let the podcast listeners know that, you know, it
Speaker 2: sounded as if Josh kind of got far away from
Speaker 2: the microphone, which he did because on video he had
Speaker 2: to step, you know, move back so he can show
Speaker 2: us and we were able to see his whole body.
Speaker 2: So I just want you to know that I will
Speaker 2: go ahead and put this entire interview on video on YouTube.
Speaker 2: If you go to YouTube at golf Smarter, you'll be
Speaker 2: able to see this interview and you'll see exactly what
Speaker 2: Josh was doing. But for those listening, thank you, and
Speaker 2: you know, let's carry on. Okay. So you're saying there's
Speaker 2: four parts, the technique, then equipment, then three and four.
Speaker 1: Would be mobility, and then strengthen power. Okay, yeah, so mobility, Fred,
Speaker 1: we want to think of mobility as essentially, if you
Speaker 1: imagine a runway and an airplane. Okay, that's the simple
Speaker 1: analogy is the runway needs to be long enough so
Speaker 1: the plane can take off in land. And certain planes,
Speaker 1: if they're bigger and have bigger engines and they're faster,
Speaker 1: they're going to need a longer runway. The golf swing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: depending on how fast you're going, we need enough runway
Speaker 1: or rotary mobility, which is your space in your body
Speaker 1: to swing freely without restrictions, so that you can get
Speaker 1: into good positions in your swing and swing at speed.
Speaker 1: You need rotary mobility to have that runway to swing
Speaker 1: at speed. And if we don't have enough runway or
Speaker 1: room to rotate, this is where we're going to see
Speaker 1: those compensations in your swing. And if if you don't
Speaker 1: have that room to rotate, your body just ends up
Speaker 1: banging into brick walls every time you swing, which is
Speaker 1: over time that someone doesn't address it, the aches and
Speaker 1: pains get worse, and eventually we have an injury.
Speaker 2: You were just finishing up by saying that we're going
Speaker 2: to have an injury if we go that direction. But
Speaker 2: for people who who have had injuries, who are recovering
Speaker 2: from injuries, whether it's a broken a broken arm, broken leg,
Speaker 2: or maybe even had back surgery or something, they're going
Speaker 2: to need to almost go to ground zero. They can't
Speaker 2: just pick up where they left off right to get
Speaker 2: back to a good place. They got to really kind
Speaker 2: of start from the ground up, don't they.
Speaker 1: That's a great question, Fred for people, and this is
Speaker 1: something that our physical therapists deal with on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis is people that have had surgeries, knee surgeries,
Speaker 1: hip surgeries.
Speaker 2: Hip replacements. I mean, I have a lot of times that.
Speaker 1: The ear that part of what super common as you
Speaker 1: get into your sixties and above that we see giant replacements.
Speaker 1: And if the rehab is done correctly, the joint should
Speaker 1: be able to you should be able to actually access
Speaker 1: more range of motion in that joint than prior to
Speaker 1: because the reason that joint was replaced is that it
Speaker 1: wasn't moving. There was bon on bone. So now that
Speaker 1: you have a new joint, we should be able to
Speaker 1: physically move that joint in a further range of motion.
Speaker 1: And this is where people often may get a little
Speaker 1: bit hesitant because they're afraid that they're going to reinjure
Speaker 1: their hip. But once you get past the rehab phase,
Speaker 1: which is anywhere from May to twelve weeks, and that
Speaker 1: should be done, you know, to restore that full range
Speaker 1: of motion. And the rehab part of it is, especially
Speaker 1: with knees and hips, it's it's not comfortable. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to lie to you but as you've probably heard
Speaker 1: from your friends, but if you're willing to go through
Speaker 1: that and have full range of motion in the joint,
Speaker 1: we're not necessarily starting at ground zero. But a lot
Speaker 1: of the time before people got into before people had
Speaker 1: the surgery, their mobility was not in a great spot
Speaker 1: to begin with, which ultimately, if we don't have good mobility,
Speaker 1: that's where the joints are going to wear out prematurely
Speaker 1: and going to have more wear and tear. So making
Speaker 1: sure that number one, we just if someone has a surgery,
Speaker 1: they get a joint replaced. We look at each person
Speaker 1: and say, okay, well, let's let's test everything and see
Speaker 1: where it is. Let's measure your mobility, and we also
Speaker 1: measure strength and power too, but let's measure your mobility
Speaker 1: and see where we're at, and then we know what
Speaker 1: areas that we need to focus on. Because if someone's
Speaker 1: trunk rotates really well, and someone doesn't need to improve
Speaker 1: their trunk rotation, then we don't need to spend extra
Speaker 1: time rotating on the trunk. We need to keep it
Speaker 1: in a good spot and maintain it. But if their
Speaker 1: hips don't rotate very well, then and that's the most
Speaker 1: common I would say area of struggle for golfers is
Speaker 1: internal hip rotation and that's the challenging one. So that's
Speaker 1: where we would spend most of the time focusing on
Speaker 1: improving that one area that needs the most attention and people.
Speaker 1: You know, again, it doesn't take a lot of time
Speaker 1: to make significant improvements in your rotation.
Speaker 2: As long as you're doing it correctly.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, So that's where we would you know, set
Speaker 1: somebody up with a coach and make sure that you're
Speaker 1: doing the exercises properly. We do a combination of soft
Speaker 1: tissue releases, so we do we teach people where their
Speaker 1: muscles are that they that are causing the restriction, and
Speaker 1: we teach them how to do some manual therapy or
Speaker 1: self mild fascil release or trigger point release for those
Speaker 1: muscles so that the muscle can actually calm down and relax,
Speaker 1: and then we'll give them two or three mobility exercises
Speaker 1: to follow up on that soft tissue release working within
Speaker 1: a healthy end range of motion, So we're trying to
Speaker 1: basically re establish a new end range of motion for
Speaker 1: that joint. So we're basically helping you find out where
Speaker 1: your limit is and your end range of motion and
Speaker 1: then gradually improve that with each workout so that someone
Speaker 1: within two weeks they're usually seeing you know, you know,
Speaker 1: about five degrees sometimes ten degrees increase in range of motion,
Speaker 1: especially in the hips, because we want to see a
Speaker 1: forty five degrees of internal rotation. And often people start
Speaker 1: in the twenties, mostly guys in their sixties, they're probably
Speaker 1: starting between fifteen and twenty five, sometimes around thirty. But
Speaker 1: that extra fifteen degrees difference makes a big impact when
Speaker 1: you're trying to get onto that lead side in your
Speaker 1: golf swing.
Speaker 2: People who are trying to always increase the distance on
Speaker 2: their drives, on their shots. Is it, am I end
Speaker 2: of the false impression that you need to get stronger
Speaker 2: to do that? Or is it really that you need
Speaker 2: better mobility and flexibility to get through it to get
Speaker 2: the greater distance or is it a combination of the two.
Speaker 2: How would you assess that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it exactly right for it. It is
Speaker 1: both mobility. As I said before, we think of that
Speaker 1: pyramid of kind of golf performance, mobility is the base,
Speaker 1: so that's where we start the the next level up
Speaker 1: that we're going to try and build to make sure
Speaker 1: your swing and your game can handle playing into your
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. Is strength and power. So that's the
Speaker 1: next physical physical area we need to unlock for somebody.
Speaker 1: So if you think about you know, as I said before,
Speaker 1: the golf swing takes place in less than two seconds,
Speaker 1: and we're swinging anywhere from probably eighty to one hundred
Speaker 1: miles an hour plus depending on your age and ability
Speaker 1: and skill. So the golf swing is a power sport.
Speaker 1: It's a power event like it's it's just like doing
Speaker 1: a throwing sport, pitching a baseball like it is. It
Speaker 1: is power. So unfortunately, a lot of golfers when they're
Speaker 1: thinking about training physically, you know, they might do forty
Speaker 1: five minutes on treadmill or a cardio machine. I might
Speaker 1: do some bicep curls and some light squats and they're
Speaker 1: they're doing ten to fifteen reps times three sets at lightweight. Well,
Speaker 1: that might help you walk the golf course a little better,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to hitting the ball further, we
Speaker 1: need to actually learn to move a We need to
Speaker 1: move and implement really really fast and get good at that.
Speaker 1: So to get good at that, we actually need to
Speaker 1: build an engine that can handle creating force, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, strength is simply how much force can you
Speaker 1: apply to something, whether you're trying to pick something up
Speaker 1: or push it. That's strength. Power or speed is power
Speaker 1: is simply how fast you can do it. How fast
Speaker 1: can you apply that force, And that's what we're looking
Speaker 1: for on golf. So we need to train by making
Speaker 1: sure that we can apply force and get stronger, and
Speaker 1: then we train the golfer to apply that force relatively quickly.
Speaker 1: So we need to train strength and power to increase
Speaker 1: the size of that engine. If we don't increase the
Speaker 1: size of somebody's engine, then they're going to continue swinging.
Speaker 1: And mobility will probably prevent somebody from getting maybe some
Speaker 1: major injuries and aches and pains. But if you do
Speaker 1: not increase your ability to create power and apply like
Speaker 1: I said, apply force, then and your clubhead speed is
Speaker 1: not going to go up. It will go down as
Speaker 1: you age. So now the upside is it doesn't take
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't take working out two hours a
Speaker 1: day to get stronger. You know, we can we can
Speaker 1: see results with somebody in ninety minutes a week. If
Speaker 1: you're willing to do three times thirty minute workouts in
Speaker 1: a week. You will get stronger if you're doing the
Speaker 1: right things.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, so you know strength and speed, but there's also
Speaker 2: lack of tension exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some I wouldn't say so much lack of tension
Speaker 1: or but when you talk about I'm just thinking you're
Speaker 1: assuming to you're referring to mobility and flexibility and that
Speaker 1: lack of tension. We need to have the muscle strong,
Speaker 1: but being able to rotate through a full range of motion. Right,
Speaker 1: So having the ability to access mobility and or your
Speaker 1: rotary mobility and rotate through the swing. That's the mobility piece,
Speaker 1: that foundation, and then having the strength to add actually
Speaker 1: move that implement that golf club really fast. And we're
Speaker 1: doing that by you can you can create force against
Speaker 1: the handle of the club, and you can create force
Speaker 1: against the ground. Those are the only two things that
Speaker 1: we have, you know, the ability to put force against
Speaker 1: to create speed in your swing. The ground is a
Speaker 1: lot bigger than the handle, so that is our best
Speaker 1: low you know, best possibility to gain club head speed
Speaker 1: is getting you better at pushing against the ground. So
Speaker 1: that looks like squats, It looks like lunges. It looks
Speaker 1: like hinging motions or deadlifts done properly. All those things
Speaker 1: help you push against the ground, which ultimately is going
Speaker 1: to give you the ability to create clubhead speed.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, now I find kind of amusing. Is you know,
Speaker 2: we we tried to start talking, okay, at age forty,
Speaker 2: do this age fifty, right, But I'm getting the sense
Speaker 2: of what you're saying that it really doesn't matter how
Speaker 2: old you are, whether you're forty, fifty, sixty, or beyond
Speaker 2: seventy and beyond that, it's pretty much doing the same
Speaker 2: type of thing consistently.
Speaker 1: It's going to help exactly. Fred. Yeah, well that's what
Speaker 1: you know. What we see when we when we capture
Speaker 1: the data and measurements on people that based on every
Speaker 1: age category. Yes, we're going to see people in their
Speaker 1: sixties swinging probably five miles an hour less than people
Speaker 1: in their fifties. Like I said, every decade, you're going
Speaker 1: to lose five miles an hour. But there is a
Speaker 1: range of clubhead speed, so everybody can improve that at
Speaker 1: any age. You can go from the fiftieth percentile in
Speaker 1: your age category to the eightieth percentile. You can go
Speaker 1: from the twentieth to the seventieth. And for those people
Speaker 1: that are you know, they're already near the top for
Speaker 1: their age category, they might want to they might be
Speaker 1: in the eightieth percentile for speed, but they might say, hey,
Speaker 1: I want I want to compete with guys that are
Speaker 1: younger than me. And that's when it gets really fun.
Speaker 1: Is golfer that's in their sixties is like I'm playing
Speaker 1: with forty five fifty year olds. I want to keep
Speaker 1: up with them, and yeah, and uh or well, scoring
Speaker 1: scoring different, but scoring becomes easier when you can hit
Speaker 1: it further, obviously. But but for those people, it's really
Speaker 1: fun when they actually when we start to get stronger,
Speaker 1: and we simply when we're measuring power, we just get
Speaker 1: somebody to jump. We measure their vertical jump, and we
Speaker 1: measure their ability to throw a medicine ball from a
Speaker 1: seated position. We measure their chest pass how far you
Speaker 1: can throw it. So those two simple tests really are
Speaker 1: going to show us how much force you can put
Speaker 1: down against the ground and how much force you can
Speaker 1: exert with your upper body against an object. And as
Speaker 1: simple as it sounds, we can pretty much tell when
Speaker 1: somebody does those two tests what their clubheads. Beat is
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 2: At par for success. You guys are based in the Midwest,
Speaker 2: if I remember.
Speaker 1: Correctly, actually on the eastern side of the state or
Speaker 1: in the country. We're in a base at a North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay. And do you work with people remotely
Speaker 2: or just in person?
Speaker 1: Actually we do both. So we have our our facility
Speaker 1: is about ten minutes from the Raleigh airport, and so
Speaker 1: we have physical therapists in house full time as well
Speaker 1: as strength and conditioning coaches. So we do we do
Speaker 1: fitness and one on one strength training as well as
Speaker 1: physical therapy for golfers. But actually the growth, the big
Speaker 1: fastest growing part of our company has been the remote coaching.
Speaker 1: So three quarters three quarters of our clients are outside
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, great, great, And answer me why is it
Speaker 2: the younger people? And it sure seems this way to
Speaker 2: me when I'm playing that it's younger people who ride
Speaker 2: and the more older guys are walking. Although yeah, they're
Speaker 2: definitely older guys that are riding. And there's some course
Speaker 2: that you can only ride, right, But do you advocate
Speaker 2: walking a golf course? You know, from from the fitness
Speaker 2: side of it.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Fred, And again it's going to
Speaker 1: depend on the golfer and where they play. Like you said,
Speaker 1: some golf courses just aren't designed to walk be able
Speaker 1: to walk, which I'm a walker. I love to walk
Speaker 1: the golf course. I mean, obviously I ride probably twenty
Speaker 1: percent of my rounds, but whenever I can, I walk,
Speaker 1: and I just find it gives me time to think
Speaker 1: between shots. I tend to play better when I walk.
Speaker 1: But it depends on the person. So some people are
Speaker 1: just like, hey, I just want to be able to
Speaker 1: play and not have aches and pains, and I want
Speaker 1: to hit the ball further. I don't. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I have. You know, I don't my golf course.
Speaker 1: It's it's a really tough walk. Like you just need
Speaker 1: to be able to If you ride all the time,
Speaker 1: you need to be able to swing the club and
Speaker 1: you still have to walk a certain distance, but you
Speaker 1: may not be able to you you may not need
Speaker 1: to walk up all these hills if you're riding a cart.
Speaker 1: So the demands are going to be different. We you know,
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to walk, that's great. Then we need
Speaker 1: to make sure the golfer has the physical ability to
Speaker 1: and the endurance to walk the golf course several times
Speaker 1: a week depending on how many times they play, or
Speaker 1: if they've got an upcoming trip like some of these places,
Speaker 1: if you're going to go to Scotland or England or Island, like,
Speaker 1: it's walking only, so there's not a choice. And if
Speaker 1: you're going to play six, seven, eight days in a
Speaker 1: row and it's walking only, we would definitely prepare somebody
Speaker 1: for that if they're not used to walking on a
Speaker 1: regular basis. And some of the courses in the in
Speaker 1: the States now, the resorts like Abandon and the one
Speaker 1: in the Sand Valley, a lot of those resorts now
Speaker 1: are they're basically walking only.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chambers Bay. I played Chambers Bay this past summer
Speaker 2: and the one of the guys that I was with
Speaker 2: from Chicago never walks, and this was walking only. It
Speaker 2: was about a seven point two miles and there was
Speaker 2: elevation change all and so he was, you know, any
Speaker 2: smoking cigars and he was pretty spent by the end
Speaker 2: of the round. And I'm like, just keep drinking water, man,
Speaker 2: keep drinking water. Nibble on on snacks, but don't have
Speaker 2: a big meal in between, but just you know, sip
Speaker 2: and nibble all the way through.
Speaker 1: So yeah, big difference. Yeah, I saw. I remember watching
Speaker 1: the US Open when it was there, and I thought
Speaker 1: that would be that would not be an easy walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it was fun. It was beautiful day.
Speaker 2: We got lucky. So what about complimentary activities? Can call
Speaker 2: him sports if you want, but let's call complimentary activities
Speaker 2: that you can do to help support your mobility throughout
Speaker 2: your golf. And I'm thinking of things like hiking, biking, swimming.
Speaker 2: People are playing pickleball these days, tennis, basketball, All right,
Speaker 2: are those helpful or are they not taking advantage of
Speaker 2: the same the same parts of your body that you
Speaker 2: need to work on for golf.
Speaker 1: Great question, so, and let me make sure I'm understanding
Speaker 1: the question correctly. Do those activities you just mentioned improve
Speaker 1: your mobility for golf? Was that kind of the question. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So the short answer would probably no. Unfortunately, So if
Speaker 1: we think of if we think of hiking, biking, swimming,
Speaker 1: a lot of those things, you're you're moving in one
Speaker 1: direction where you kind of moving straightforwards. You know, maybe uh, swimming,
Speaker 1: there might be there's there's very little rotation demands, especially
Speaker 1: in hiking and biking swimming, there might be a little
Speaker 1: bit pickleball, tennis. I would call all of those activities exercise, right,
Speaker 1: So we're working on what we call capacity. So how
Speaker 1: far can you walk, how far can you swim? You're biking,
Speaker 1: we're testing the capacity of the bodies, maybe muscular endurance
Speaker 1: to some degree. So when we're thinking about golf, like
Speaker 1: I said, those four rotary centerspread the neck, the shoulders,
Speaker 1: the spine, and the hips. They all need to be
Speaker 1: able to rotate a certain amount for you to have
Speaker 1: a you know, a biomechanically relatively sound, repeatable, powerful golf swing.
Speaker 1: So if we don't have rotation around those areas, hiking
Speaker 1: and biking aren't necessarily going to help those because we're
Speaker 1: not addressing the problem, which is hip rotation. So I'm
Speaker 1: not rotating my hip as much when I'm walking in
Speaker 1: a straight line or when I'm biking in a straight line.
Speaker 1: Pickleball and tennis, we're moving. But again that's a sort
Speaker 1: of a fitness activity, and maybe it's better than doing
Speaker 1: no movement, But you can spend ten minutes of doing
Speaker 1: dedicated hip mobility work and that's going to get you
Speaker 1: a lot farther than playing an hour of pickleball.
Speaker 2: So are there activities sports that complement golf in the
Speaker 2: way that you're trying to elevate.
Speaker 1: From a performance standpoint, I wouldn't say any if there's,
Speaker 1: And that would be a great study maybe to see
Speaker 1: if there were people that played different played two sports,
Speaker 1: or I played golf in one other sport, to see
Speaker 1: if versus people that just played golf, to see how
Speaker 1: much of a difference the multi sport athletes, you know,
Speaker 1: if their performance is better, if their incidents of injury
Speaker 1: is less, I know, if someone is on a dedicated
Speaker 1: golf performance plan. So if we're addressing mobility and we're
Speaker 1: addressing strength and power, those two fundamental building blocks. Okay,
Speaker 1: of that pyramid that we talked about, we've got mobility
Speaker 1: at the bottom, then strength and power. The top two
Speaker 1: are basically technique or efficiency, and the very top one
Speaker 1: is speed. Right, So we're not going to chase speed
Speaker 1: unless we've got mobility and strength and power. So if so,
Speaker 1: if we give somebody mobility and we give them strength
Speaker 1: and strength and power, strength and power, they're they're going
Speaker 1: to have the best ability to perform at golf. Uh
Speaker 1: is playing pick a ball or tennis or hiking, is
Speaker 1: it going to make them a better golfer? I think
Speaker 1: the if your if your sole focus is getting better
Speaker 1: at golf, there's you know, putting a little bit of
Speaker 1: attention into another you know, making sure those those baseline things,
Speaker 1: the mobility and the strength and power, making sure that
Speaker 1: those aren't a great spot that is. It sounds it
Speaker 1: sounds really simple. But and that's where most people. If
Speaker 1: you can be consistent with those basics and making sure
Speaker 1: you rotate well and that you're strong enough which means
Speaker 1: I should say powerful enough so you can jump high
Speaker 1: and you can throw far, uh, we can create speed,
Speaker 1: then you're going to be in your best spot to
Speaker 1: perform well on golf. Now, hiking, biking, those things are
Speaker 1: great things to enjoy. Nothing nothing wrong with those at all,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they're going to translate to
Speaker 1: an improve golf performance at all.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about balance and the importance of it, how
Speaker 2: to make sure that you have it, and how to
Speaker 2: increase it and probably goes with the base.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you hit it on the head. It is
Speaker 1: most people, I would say, unless you've had a an
Speaker 1: event like a like a stroke or something like that,
Speaker 1: where there's there's there's been an event where your nervous
Speaker 1: system is really affected. Balance is going to be more
Speaker 1: of an ability for you. Like most golf ers, they say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't finish my swing and I don't
Speaker 1: feel balanced when I'm trying to get get through my swing.
Speaker 1: And again it sounds really simple, but if we tested
Speaker 1: all those people, I guarantee you they would probably have
Speaker 1: significant restrictions in rotary mobility, probably lead hip that for
Speaker 1: right hand and golfer getting onto your lead hip and
Speaker 1: probably being able to rotate your trunk at least fifty
Speaker 1: sixty degrees in each direction. So that's where if someone
Speaker 1: can't rotate, they're going to get to those spots when
Speaker 1: they're at their end range of motion and they're fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty degrees short to where they need to be,
Speaker 1: and that's where the arms kind of fling up when
Speaker 1: they swing and they don't really get onto their lead side.
Speaker 1: So most people, when they talk about having a lack
Speaker 1: of balance, especially in their golf swing, when we improve
Speaker 1: their ability to rotate, all of a sudden, four to
Speaker 1: six months later, they're noticing, hey, I can actually hold
Speaker 1: my finish now. Whereas six months ago I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to do that. Those are those are the kinds of
Speaker 1: things that we typically see with people that are having
Speaker 1: balance issues, is that they can actually get through a
Speaker 1: full range of motion, and it might take your brain
Speaker 1: and your body a little bit of time to adopt
Speaker 1: those new sort of i'd say default settings for your
Speaker 1: body when you're golfing, because you've got your swing pattern
Speaker 1: in your brain. Between your brain and your muscles, or
Speaker 1: people call that muscle memory, it's not actually your muscles
Speaker 1: don't remember anything. It's your brain that creates a sense
Speaker 1: of software program for your body to create that golf swing.
Speaker 1: So when we improve the hardware, and when I say hardware,
Speaker 1: your ability to rotate. So if we improve the parts
Speaker 1: and upgrade your shoulder, neck, trunk, and hip mobility, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we've upgraded the hardware, we kind of
Speaker 1: have to do a software update based on the new
Speaker 1: hardware that we have in your body so that you
Speaker 1: can actually trust that your body can get into these
Speaker 1: new positions in the swing. So that can take a
Speaker 1: little bit of adjustment period. And people are like, wow,
Speaker 1: I hit some really really good shots on the golf
Speaker 1: course and I felt like I could swing through, and
Speaker 1: then some of them were you know, in the first
Speaker 1: couple of months, it's like I hit some that were
Speaker 1: really long and straight, and then some of them kind
Speaker 1: of went all over the place. But your body is
Speaker 1: getting used to sort of those new default settings in
Speaker 1: terms of that upgraded hardware.
Speaker 2: In the last few weeks, I started doing something that
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I'm on to something here. This is
Speaker 2: really good because I had balance on my mind, and
Speaker 2: so I use every night, I use my electric toothbrush,
Speaker 2: and you know, it goes every thirty seconds at beeps,
Speaker 2: and then you go to the next quadrant of your
Speaker 2: mouth and then you you know, and you get four
Speaker 2: different quadrants. So what I've been doing the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: and I'm probably you're probably gonna be rolling your eyes
Speaker 2: going it's useless for it. But I when for each
Speaker 2: quadrant in each section that I'm I'm doing my I
Speaker 2: stand on one foot and then on the next quadrant,
Speaker 2: I switch to the other foot and I try to
Speaker 2: maintain my balance through it. Now it's gotten to the
Speaker 2: point where I use just one finger to tap on
Speaker 2: the countertop to if I start losing my balance, I
Speaker 2: can just tap on it instead of holding onto it
Speaker 2: and you know, holding on But I'm trying to increase
Speaker 2: my strength, my legs and my balance by doing that,
Speaker 2: thinking that it's going to.
Speaker 1: Help my balance or probably get well. Number one, it's
Speaker 1: not not sill at all. I mean, yeah, improving balance
Speaker 1: is like you you can practice it. But if if
Speaker 1: you're really restricted and you can't rotate, that's gonna limit.
Speaker 1: That's probably gonna I would say, shorten your ceiling for
Speaker 1: improving your balance. Right, So if we improve your mobility,
Speaker 1: your ceiling for your balance will get higher. Whereas if
Speaker 1: you just practice balance, you know you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: rise to the ceiling of where your mobility's at. But
Speaker 1: if we can bring your mobility up, the ability for
Speaker 1: you to increase your your balance is going to be
Speaker 1: your ceiling will be higher. But there's no arm in
Speaker 1: standing on one foot and practicing at all.
Speaker 2: Oh Josh, this has been really fascinating. You know, I
Speaker 2: thought we were going to be talking about it each
Speaker 2: age group, but it's clear doesn't really matter. You just
Speaker 2: got to be working on it all the time for everybody.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, anybody at any age and you
Speaker 1: know we've got We've got someone that I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw Dennis yesterday. He's one of our arm memory in
Speaker 1: the facility and he's he's going to be eighty two
Speaker 1: in November, and he's he finishes his workout and then
Speaker 1: he goes out and we have a basketball and that
Speaker 1: in the back, and then he shoots hoops for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what age you have or what
Speaker 1: age you are, you can see improvements in your game
Speaker 1: if you do the right things. Addresser mobility, address your
Speaker 1: strength and power. I mean golfers that are listening to this,
Speaker 1: they've probably already tinkered with equipment, they might take lessons
Speaker 1: or you know, look at technical things on YouTube, but
Speaker 1: make sure you're addressing those those physical limitations because ultimately
Speaker 1: that's where I think the lowest hanging fruit is for
Speaker 1: most people.
Speaker 2: Again, their website is par four Success. It's it sounds
Speaker 2: like par for success, but it's par four the number four,
Speaker 2: Par four success.
Speaker 1: Parfour success dot com. Yeah, or even P four s
Speaker 1: golf that'll that will direct you to the same website
Speaker 1: as well. P four s golf that makes it simply up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on Instagram. Par four Success YouTube Facebook at
Speaker 2: par four success Josh, great conversation, learned a lot. I
Speaker 2: don't feel great about myself today. Thanks so much for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 1: No problem, Fred is a pleasure.
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Speaker 3: The first time I ever tested this, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really know what I was doing at the time, but
Speaker 3: I was giving a lesson and we were talking about
Speaker 3: what makes the ball break more and what makes the
Speaker 3: ball break lesson the guy looks at me and goes,
Speaker 3: you know what, Yeah, I know what breaks more, but
Speaker 3: what does that mean? Does that mean three feet or
Speaker 3: two feet or twelve inches? So I basically use the
Speaker 3: same computer software that does the line for TV, and
Speaker 3: I just had to spit out all these numbers and
Speaker 3: I took it out and tested it. I only did
Speaker 3: one slope, so I just did a basic two percent slope,
Speaker 3: and I went out and played eighteen holes and I
Speaker 3: think I had eleven putts on the front and fourteen
Speaker 3: putts on the back. And I had never ever been
Speaker 3: below thirty putts and I never made anything outside ten feet.
Speaker 3: I think I made two or three putts outside fifteen feet,
Speaker 3: made a lot more five six, seven footers, and I
Speaker 3: remember just thinking, Wow, there's really something to this. I
Speaker 3: don't really understand it yet, I don't really know how
Speaker 3: to use it yet, but just the first time I
Speaker 3: ever tried it, I could not believe how much better
Speaker 3: my putting was just knowing what the proper break was.
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