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Speaker 1: All right, I'm Verne Coats from mary and Iowa. I

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play golf at Indian Creek Country Club. And this is

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Golf Smarter episode number nine hundred and seventy five. Think

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of a pyramid. The most important part of the pyramid,

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obviously is the foundation. If we don't have a wide

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base and foundation, the top's not going to stay put.

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So in any building, we want a solid foundation, and

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then you always start with that. You can't start a

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building by building the roof first, it just doesn't work.

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So our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers

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they're like, oh, yeah, I know I need to be flexible.

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But people don't like to do flexibility work because number one,

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they may not know exactly what they need to do.

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It's like, you know, I can stretch my quads, I

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can stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk

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rotations like this, but is that really going to make

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a measurable difference? And so what we found is that

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number one, measure the areas where we need to rotate better.

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And for a golfer, those are the four key areas

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where we need to rotate all your neck so you

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can actually turn and see the ball. If you just

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do a trunk with your body and then you try

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and backseling position, then I try and rotate my head

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to look at the ball. I need a good amount

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of neck rotation. And for people that if they start

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to turn their head, or if you notice if you're

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driving and you kind of have to turn your whole

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body to check behind you, golfers would have to do

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a shoulder check. They're finding that the next tighte that's

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sure sign that your neck mobility is limited.

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Speaker 2: Playing your best golf after turning fifty, sixty or even

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seventy with Josh Lays. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,

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tips and insights from great golf minds to help you

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lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 1: Josh, Hey, thanks for having me. Fred, appreciate being here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's excited about this conversation because you're from Par

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for Success, which we've spoken to Chris Finn many times

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on this podcast, and we talk talked about exercise fitness

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for golf, and that's really what you guys specialize in,

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is fitness for golf. But today our topic is something

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very close to my heart, and that is fitness for

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golfers over fifty, over sixty, over seven, or.

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Speaker 1: Sent maybe even over eighty.

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Speaker 2: Why not, you know, I would love to be able

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to do that because the ultimate goal is to be

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able to shoot your age. I think that is the

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ultimate hole in one is a nice lucky thing to happen, yes,

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but there is a way to really prepare yourself to

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be able to shoot your aid. That should be the

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goal for every golfer, right.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're young, Fred, maybe shooting your age

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for nine holes would be great. But yes, as we

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get once we get into our sixties and beyond, And

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I've talked to many people. I've had the pleasure of

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being in conversation with many members here that are in

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house and remote clients that are so thrilled to tell

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us that thanks so much for helping me shoot my age,

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like it never gets old. And that's one of the

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throes of the game is being able to play as

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long as you as long as you wish. So our

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mission is simply to help golfer has achieved longevity. We

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just define that as you being able to play at

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whatever level you want for as long as you want

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or whatever level you deem enjoyable. So that's that's what

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we love doing here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you know, shoot your age. He said,

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what did you say? You said, shoot your age no

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matter how old you get, Well, you know, like we

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hope to be getting there.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So I think what we knew need to do, Let's

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not start at the at the older end. Let's start

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at the younger end and talk about the things that

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we can do. I think because for me, I remember

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what I learned about turning forty, was that everything that

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oh I hurt myself, Yeah, I'll be fine in a

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few minutes, and as you know, as you get older,

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a few minutes becomes a couple of days. When I

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hit forty, it just took a lot longer to recover

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from from minor injuries than it did in the past.

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and is this what's going to be happening the rest

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of my life?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's that that is the downside to bread

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of obviously, of aging, and one ouside.

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Speaker 2: Is, let me just say, the upside to aging is

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your aging. Yeah, because you consider the alternative is.

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Speaker 1: Not good exactly right where we're still operating, where we're breathing.

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So that is every day we can do that, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: A funny story is one of the things that reminded

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me of of getting older was when my daughter broke

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her a cast. They said they had set it pin

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in one of the one of the bones in her forearm,

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and I said, oh, is she gonna have the cast?

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weeks season that you should, like forty sixties, like she's

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eight years old, she'll be She'll be fine. So when

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when when you're really young the bones, the bones aren't

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brittle yet. But yeah, what what what golfers can start

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to do as they get older? What we typically see

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for it? And this is based on our research, and

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that's what we love to do here. We love to

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compile research and data, physical data on every golfer that

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we work with. So not only does that include swing data,

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but we've got the physical metrics on what their mobility's

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like and what their strength and power are like. So

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we can tell you physically someone in their twenties, thirties, forties,

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every decade through the seventies and eighties, what the relative

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norms are, so golfers can know what to expect and

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what the what's possible, and where they're at, so we

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can set really realistic goals and say, hey, if you're

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only at the thirtieth percentile for clubhead speed for your

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age group, there's no reason to think that you can't

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get it to the top twenty five percent with some heart,

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with some work. So that's really encouraging the golfers. But

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like you said, on the aches and pain side, you know,

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golfers typically as they age, every decade we see not

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only are the aches and pains going to take a

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little bit longer to go away, but we can we

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can mitigate that, and we can minimize that by doing

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the right things. And we'll get into that. But every

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about every decade we see after thirty, so once you

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kind of like you said, start your forties, every decade

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we see about a five mile on hour drop off

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in club headsby So that's yeah, So that's that's the average.

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about is about five miles an hour per decade, So

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that amounts to you know, it's probably we're probably talking

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fifteen yards every ten years.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It it can be. So we get calls from people

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all the time that are concerned, obviously because hey, I'm

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in my mid sixties now and I've lost like thirty yards.

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ten years ago, I'm down twenty five three yards. And

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that's really really common.

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Speaker 2: Really really frustrating for sure.

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Speaker 1: Because golfers are used to playing, you know, a certain

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part of the golf course with their buddies, they play

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whatever it is, the Blue teas or the white teas,

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of a sudden finding it difficult to reach par fours

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in regulation and you have no hope at reaching par

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fives in two and maybe you know you're just lucky

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to get a short club in your hands on your

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third shot. That's where golfers can get frustrated, and that's

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where we love to help them, because actually helping a

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golfer realize that you don't need to do a lot

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of crazy things to improve and get better and hit

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the ball further and hurt less. You just have to

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do a few simple things, really really consistent, and that's

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what we love to do, and.

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Speaker 2: That's what we want to talk about simple things too,

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because you know a lot of golfers their whole warm

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up is going out to the driving range before before

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the round of golf, doing a couple of l arm up,

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arm up, this, arms up, bend over once or twice.

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Speaker 1: Sweep, touch your toes, maybe maybe.

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Speaker 2: Try to touch your toes. And my favorite is swinging

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two clubs at once. It's like, okay, I'm ready to

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go and they pull out the driver. What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And there's lots of things that we can

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do to get golfers not only warmed up, but to

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help them recover after they're playing. It's usually after a

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golfer play is done playing, especially if you walk the course,

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if you've got any more than a five minute drive home,

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you know, the body starts to cool off, or maybe

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you have a drink or two in the grow room,

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and then you get in your car, and then you

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get out of your car, and you take takes more

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than thirty seconds to sort of get into an upright

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position when you're trying to get out of your chair.

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lot of sort of complaints about golfers is that they're just, hey,

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it anymore. And the what we really we try and

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simplify it for people, and to take a very broad approach.

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going to help people get better. So I'd like to

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share a little bit about that and just give you

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the illustration of a think of a pyramid. Right, So

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the most important part of the pyramid obviously is the foundation,

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because if we don't have a wide base and foundation,

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the top is it's not going to stay put. So

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in any building, we want a solid foundation and then

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you always start with that. You can't start a building

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by building a roof first, it just doesn't work. So

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our foundation has to be rotary mobility. And golfers they're like, oh, yeah,

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I know I need to be flexible. But people don't

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like to do flexibility work because number one, they may

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not know exactly what they need to do. Right. It's like, well,

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I you know, I can stretch my quads, I can

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stretch my hamstrings. I might do a few trunk rotations

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like this, but what is that really going to make

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a measurable difference? Right? And so what we found is

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that if we actually number one, measure the areas where

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we need to rotate better, right, and that for a golfer,

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those are the four key areas where we need to

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rotate are your neck so you can actually turn and

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see the ball. If you imagine me, you know, the

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coffers are just listening. If you just do a trunk

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turn and with your body and then you try and

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into a baseline position, then I try and rotate my

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head to look at the ball. I need a good

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amount of neck rotation. And for people that actually if

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they start to turn their head or if you notice,

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if you're driving and you kind of have to turn

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your whole body to check behind you. We have the

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luxury of those backup cameras now, but before that golfers

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would have to actually, you know, to do a shoulder check. There.

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They're finding that the next type, that's a sure sign

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that your your neck mobility is limited. So that's going

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to limit one, your ability to make a big turn

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and keep your eye on the ball. Number two, we

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need to rotate your trunk and your spine, and then

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number three is your shoulders, which are going to be

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more in control of the club path. So golfers that

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are top, if they want to be more consistent, they

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want to eliminate a slice. We know that that right

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shoulder trail shoulder. If we're talking about right handed golfers,

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it's the right shoulder that needs good rotation. This way

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external rotation. So if I take my arm in a

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ninety degree position, I try and point my thumb way

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back behind me. We want to see that form get

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well behind you like that, and if it's only getting

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to parallel to the or perpendicular to the ground, then

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it's definitely limited. That's going to allow you to shallow

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the club on the downswing. So for golfers that are

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complaining of over the top move and if you feel like, oh,

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you're trying to arch your back to do that, that's

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probably a sure sign that, oh, my shoulder might not

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rotate enough. So that's going to be a reason why

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golfers come over the top, which is a distance killer

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as well. And the last one is the hips. The

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is you know happy, No, it wasn't happy. Gilmore's chuck

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Peterson said, it's all in the hips, right, It's all

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in the hips. Happy. So if our hips don't rotate,

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the hips are essentially the connection between your lower body

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and your upper body. But if our hips don't rotate

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well enough, Fred, your body is not going to be

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able to make a good weight shift and help you

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get onto your lead side in the gulf, which is

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essentially what's going to create a lot of your clubhead speed.

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Is that that weight shift from trail side the lead side.

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So we make sure from a mobility standpoint that that

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foundation is really, really solid, and then we start to

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Speaker 2: So as you're explaining each of these moves, I'm sitting

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here trying to do them and you're watching me, and

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it's like, ow right, I'm trying to make my arm

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go you go straight back, and I can't get it

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past forty five degrees and it hurts.

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Speaker 1: It hurts my shoulder.

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Speaker 2: It's like, wait a minute, I thought I was a

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flexible person.

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Speaker 1: You probably were at one time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks guy. And it's not going very well right now.

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So I don't know where to begin here. Uh this

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is this is we started about forty year old. But

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I'm going right to close to seventy. Here, let's let's

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do more shoulders and hips and I you know, I

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do stretches pretty much five days a week. I'll spend

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you know, half hour forty five minutes doing things. But

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I guess I'm not doing enough, although well, yeah.

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just making sure that we're doing the right things. That is.

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That is, that's the big key. So that's again why

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we test those things. So we'll we'll test people, you know,

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every two to four weeks on their mobility because you

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can actually make significant measurable gains in your ability to

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rotate in a couple of weeks, and that's that's usually

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what we see, some like measurable progress. So hit the

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hip tests. Actually we didn't get into that one, but

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our hips need to internally rotate, so that would be

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like me, I'll just for anybody that can see, if

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I'm sitting and I try and rotate my thigh like this,

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your shin actually moves outwards like that for golfers that

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your shin only rotates a little bit and you're trying

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to not lean to the side and you're just trying

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to rotate your thigh and the inwards, so your foot

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goes out. If we don't have close to forty five

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degrees of rotation this way with the hip, that's a

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significant limitation. Most golfers are like, oh, I'm getting a

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cramp in my hip when I do that motion. That's

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probably a sign that your hip rotation is limited. And

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the lead side, the left side is actually for left

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side for a right handed golfer, is going to be

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where we need the most internal rotation because that rotation

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is where you actually post up on this lead side,

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so that's where we eat a lot of that internal rotation.

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So if you're having trouble getting onto your lead side

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and if you're having trouble posting up and shifting weight,

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that is a real primary area that we usually target

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with golfers. So that is really key. So we measure it,

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we test it, and if golfers don't pass, you know,

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in terms of how many degrees they're rotating, we just

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give them a very specific targeted plan for hip rotation

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where we can gain you know, five, ten, fifteen degrees

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hip rotation in a month or two and that gets

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them to a spot where not only will they see

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improvements in how their swing feels and I'm able to

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get onto my lead side, but we'll see that golfers

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don't have this stiffle over back that they usually have

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after playing golf, because if those hips don't rotate, If

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you just think of a ball and socket joint, that

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ball in socket's designed to rotate, which is your hip socket.

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If they don't rotate and they're stuck, guess what's going

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to compensate? Body goes up the chain and ask the

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lower back, hey, can you move a little bit more

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than you really should to help out these hips that

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don't rotate. So the lower back typically side bends and

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twists in an effort to kind of get through the swing,

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and that's where the lower back takes a lot of

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the stress. So all the parts are somewhat connected, but

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it's really important for golfers to understand that rotary mobility

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is that foundation to the pyramid. Usually golfers will look to,

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you know, one of four places to try and improve

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their performance. The first two places they'll usually look for

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better technique, which makes sense, like taking lessons seeing a

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pro is great and then equipment. Those would be the

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first two places golfers will usually try and improve. If

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you think of four pieces of the pie, we've got

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our technique. So seeing a golf pro working on your skills,

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that can be great. But if you can't physically move

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into the positions where a teacher is trying to get

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you to, it's going to be difficult for the instructor

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to gate to see big improve It's because, well, if

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this person can't rotate their trunk, they can't rotate their hips,

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they're really stiff. I'm going to have to work around

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these limitations. Whereas if we get the golfer to move correctly,

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then all of a sudden, those technical issues in the

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swing over the top or early extension or maybe they've

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got a chicken wing finish, a lot of those technical

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issues are actually they're because of a physical restriction. So

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the tech the problem, it's not a technical issue in

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this swing. It's just a physical restriction that's presenting as

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a technical problem in the swing. Because your body will

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just work within its within its physical limits.

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Speaker 2: We just have to well, I'm curious, you should should

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an instructor just like okay, I can see your physical limitations.

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Let's make your swing. You know, I know you want

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more consistency and you want more distance, but you can't

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get there with the body you're working with. And if

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you're not willing to work on that body, let's try

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to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: That definitely has to be a conversation between the pro

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and the golfer. But most golfers, number one, they want

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to hit it further, and they want to hit it straighter, obviously,

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and they want to hurt less in the process. So

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if the person's physical bodies and allowing them to make

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any progress in the swing, you obviously are going to

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have to I think at the bare minimum, the instructor

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should be able to see that there's a restriction and

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that they could refer out to someone like us to say, hey,

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this person needs help rotating. Can you can you help them?

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And then we definitely that's what we usually see with

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people that are starting with this, is that my golf

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pro is trying to get me to this position in

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the backswing or to start my downswing with getting onto

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my lead hip. And then we go and measure their

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lead hip and it's only got fifteen degrees of rotation.

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When that lead hip should get forty five degrees of rotation. Well,

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it's it's actually not a surprise that you can't get

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onto your lead hip. It's not that you're not trying.

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It's not that you're The brain is saying, okay, get

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onto your lead yep, come on, but the body is

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if it's if there's a physical restriction, we just need

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to work around that. So that's where often the yeah,

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golfers will go to technique, they'll go to equipment, but

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mobility and then strengthen power are the other two pieces

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of that puzzle, and that's where you golfers will usually

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look last. Obviously I'm biased. I think that we should

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go there first because make sure your body can physically

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handle the demands of what we're trying to get it

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to do. Because physically, the golf swing is a daunting

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task to actually place that club that sweet spot on

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a golf the sweet spot's probably, you know, but the

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size of a quarter, and you're trying to you're trying

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to move a club head anywhere from probably eighty to

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one hundred plus miles an hour in the span of

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less than two seconds. It's a minor miracle that golfers

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actually make contact with the ball.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a lot of help. Yeah, I just want

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to let the podcast listeners know that, you know, it

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sounded as if Josh kind of got far away from

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the microphone, which he did because on video he had

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to step, you know, move back so he can show

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us and we were able to see his whole body.

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So I just want you to know that I will

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go ahead and put this entire interview on video on YouTube.

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If you go to YouTube at golf Smarter, you'll be

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able to see this interview and you'll see exactly what

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Josh was doing. But for those listening, thank you, and

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you know, let's carry on. Okay. So you're saying there's

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four parts, the technique, then equipment, then three and four.

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Speaker 1: Would be mobility, and then strengthen power. Okay, yeah, so mobility, Fred,

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we want to think of mobility as essentially, if you

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imagine a runway and an airplane. Okay, that's the simple

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analogy is the runway needs to be long enough so

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the plane can take off in land. And certain planes,

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if they're bigger and have bigger engines and they're faster,

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they're going to need a longer runway. The golf swing. Obviously,

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depending on how fast you're going, we need enough runway

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or rotary mobility, which is your space in your body

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to swing freely without restrictions, so that you can get

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into good positions in your swing and swing at speed.

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You need rotary mobility to have that runway to swing

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at speed. And if we don't have enough runway or

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room to rotate, this is where we're going to see

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those compensations in your swing. And if if you don't

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have that room to rotate, your body just ends up

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banging into brick walls every time you swing, which is

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over time that someone doesn't address it, the aches and

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pains get worse, and eventually we have an injury.

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Speaker 2: You were just finishing up by saying that we're going

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to have an injury if we go that direction. But

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for people who who have had injuries, who are recovering

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from injuries, whether it's a broken a broken arm, broken leg,

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or maybe even had back surgery or something, they're going

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to need to almost go to ground zero. They can't

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just pick up where they left off right to get

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back to a good place. They got to really kind

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of start from the ground up, don't they.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, Fred for people, and this is

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something that our physical therapists deal with on a day

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to day basis is people that have had surgeries, knee surgeries,

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hip surgeries.

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Speaker 2: Hip replacements. I mean, I have a lot of times that.

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Speaker 1: The ear that part of what super common as you

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get into your sixties and above that we see giant replacements.

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And if the rehab is done correctly, the joint should

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be able to you should be able to actually access

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more range of motion in that joint than prior to

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because the reason that joint was replaced is that it

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wasn't moving. There was bon on bone. So now that

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you have a new joint, we should be able to

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physically move that joint in a further range of motion.

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And this is where people often may get a little

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bit hesitant because they're afraid that they're going to reinjure

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their hip. But once you get past the rehab phase,

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which is anywhere from May to twelve weeks, and that

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should be done, you know, to restore that full range

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of motion. And the rehab part of it is, especially

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with knees and hips, it's it's not comfortable. I'm not

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going to lie to you but as you've probably heard

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from your friends, but if you're willing to go through

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that and have full range of motion in the joint,

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we're not necessarily starting at ground zero. But a lot

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of the time before people got into before people had

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the surgery, their mobility was not in a great spot

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to begin with, which ultimately, if we don't have good mobility,

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that's where the joints are going to wear out prematurely

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and going to have more wear and tear. So making

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sure that number one, we just if someone has a surgery,

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they get a joint replaced. We look at each person

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and say, okay, well, let's let's test everything and see

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where it is. Let's measure your mobility, and we also

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measure strength and power too, but let's measure your mobility

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and see where we're at, and then we know what

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areas that we need to focus on. Because if someone's

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trunk rotates really well, and someone doesn't need to improve

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their trunk rotation, then we don't need to spend extra

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time rotating on the trunk. We need to keep it

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in a good spot and maintain it. But if their

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hips don't rotate very well, then and that's the most

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common I would say area of struggle for golfers is

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internal hip rotation and that's the challenging one. So that's

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where we would spend most of the time focusing on

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improving that one area that needs the most attention and people.

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You know, again, it doesn't take a lot of time

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to make significant improvements in your rotation.

477
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Speaker 2: As long as you're doing it correctly.

478
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, So that's where we would you know, set

479
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,440
somebody up with a coach and make sure that you're

480
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,079
doing the exercises properly. We do a combination of soft

481
00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,519
tissue releases, so we do we teach people where their

482
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,440
muscles are that they that are causing the restriction, and

483
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,839
we teach them how to do some manual therapy or

484
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,680
self mild fascil release or trigger point release for those

485
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:25,200
muscles so that the muscle can actually calm down and relax,

486
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,880
and then we'll give them two or three mobility exercises

487
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,440
to follow up on that soft tissue release working within

488
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,440
a healthy end range of motion, So we're trying to

489
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,839
basically re establish a new end range of motion for

490
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,720
that joint. So we're basically helping you find out where

491
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,480
your limit is and your end range of motion and

492
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,119
then gradually improve that with each workout so that someone

493
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:50,039
within two weeks they're usually seeing you know, you know,

494
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:54,000
about five degrees sometimes ten degrees increase in range of motion,

495
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,119
especially in the hips, because we want to see a

496
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,599
forty five degrees of internal rotation. And often people start

497
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,319
in the twenties, mostly guys in their sixties, they're probably

498
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,599
starting between fifteen and twenty five, sometimes around thirty. But

499
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,920
that extra fifteen degrees difference makes a big impact when

500
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,640
you're trying to get onto that lead side in your

501
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,079
golf swing.

502
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: People who are trying to always increase the distance on

503
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:25,480
their drives, on their shots. Is it, am I end

504
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,160
of the false impression that you need to get stronger

505
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,440
to do that? Or is it really that you need

506
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:36,319
better mobility and flexibility to get through it to get

507
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,839
the greater distance or is it a combination of the two.

508
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,960
How would you assess that?

509
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it exactly right for it. It is

510
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
both mobility. As I said before, we think of that

511
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:50,160
pyramid of kind of golf performance, mobility is the base,

512
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,480
so that's where we start the the next level up

513
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,319
that we're going to try and build to make sure

514
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,880
your swing and your game can handle playing into your

515
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,079
seventies and eighties. Is strength and power. So that's the

516
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,880
next physical physical area we need to unlock for somebody.

517
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,119
So if you think about you know, as I said before,

518
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,720
the golf swing takes place in less than two seconds,

519
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,400
and we're swinging anywhere from probably eighty to one hundred

520
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,119
miles an hour plus depending on your age and ability

521
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:26,960
and skill. So the golf swing is a power sport.

522
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,480
It's a power event like it's it's just like doing

523
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,240
a throwing sport, pitching a baseball like it is. It

524
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,680
is power. So unfortunately, a lot of golfers when they're

525
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,720
thinking about training physically, you know, they might do forty

526
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440
five minutes on treadmill or a cardio machine. I might

527
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,240
do some bicep curls and some light squats and they're

528
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,319
they're doing ten to fifteen reps times three sets at lightweight. Well,

529
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,640
that might help you walk the golf course a little better,

530
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,000
but when it comes to hitting the ball further, we

531
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,160
need to actually learn to move a We need to

532
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,680
move and implement really really fast and get good at that.

533
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,039
So to get good at that, we actually need to

534
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,799
build an engine that can handle creating force, and that's

535
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,720
you know, strength is simply how much force can you

536
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,960
apply to something, whether you're trying to pick something up

537
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:24,200
or push it. That's strength. Power or speed is power

538
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,400
is simply how fast you can do it. How fast

539
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,640
can you apply that force, And that's what we're looking

540
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,839
for on golf. So we need to train by making

541
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,599
sure that we can apply force and get stronger, and

542
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,519
then we train the golfer to apply that force relatively quickly.

543
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,359
So we need to train strength and power to increase

544
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,400
the size of that engine. If we don't increase the

545
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,079
size of somebody's engine, then they're going to continue swinging.

546
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,400
And mobility will probably prevent somebody from getting maybe some

547
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,400
major injuries and aches and pains. But if you do

548
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,079
not increase your ability to create power and apply like

549
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,039
I said, apply force, then and your clubhead speed is

550
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,319
not going to go up. It will go down as

551
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:09,599
you age. So now the upside is it doesn't take

552
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,519
you know, it doesn't take working out two hours a

553
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:16,519
day to get stronger. You know, we can we can

554
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:19,400
see results with somebody in ninety minutes a week. If

555
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880
you're willing to do three times thirty minute workouts in

556
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640
a week. You will get stronger if you're doing the

557
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,440
right things.

558
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:26,839
Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome.

559
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 2: No, so you know strength and speed, but there's also

561
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,319
lack of tension exactly.

562
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, some I wouldn't say so much lack of tension

563
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,880
or but when you talk about I'm just thinking you're

564
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,000
assuming to you're referring to mobility and flexibility and that

565
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,680
lack of tension. We need to have the muscle strong,

566
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,119
but being able to rotate through a full range of motion. Right,

567
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,799
So having the ability to access mobility and or your

568
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,680
rotary mobility and rotate through the swing. That's the mobility piece,

569
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,400
that foundation, and then having the strength to add actually

570
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,920
move that implement that golf club really fast. And we're

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,119
doing that by you can you can create force against

572
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,799
the handle of the club, and you can create force

573
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:12,079
against the ground. Those are the only two things that

574
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,559
we have, you know, the ability to put force against

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,480
to create speed in your swing. The ground is a

576
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,839
lot bigger than the handle, so that is our best

577
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160
low you know, best possibility to gain club head speed

578
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,160
is getting you better at pushing against the ground. So

579
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,839
that looks like squats, It looks like lunges. It looks

580
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,079
like hinging motions or deadlifts done properly. All those things

581
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,119
help you push against the ground, which ultimately is going

582
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,720
to give you the ability to create clubhead speed.

583
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, now I find kind of amusing. Is you know,

584
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640
we we tried to start talking, okay, at age forty,

585
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,440
do this age fifty, right, But I'm getting the sense

586
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,680
of what you're saying that it really doesn't matter how

587
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,119
old you are, whether you're forty, fifty, sixty, or beyond

588
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:05,319
seventy and beyond that, it's pretty much doing the same

589
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,839
type of thing consistently.

590
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: It's going to help exactly. Fred. Yeah, well that's what

591
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,559
you know. What we see when we when we capture

592
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,440
the data and measurements on people that based on every

593
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,279
age category. Yes, we're going to see people in their

594
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,319
sixties swinging probably five miles an hour less than people

595
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,400
in their fifties. Like I said, every decade, you're going

596
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
to lose five miles an hour. But there is a

597
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,000
range of clubhead speed, so everybody can improve that at

598
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,079
any age. You can go from the fiftieth percentile in

599
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,119
your age category to the eightieth percentile. You can go

600
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,039
from the twentieth to the seventieth. And for those people

601
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,079
that are you know, they're already near the top for

602
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,559
their age category, they might want to they might be

603
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:50,359
in the eightieth percentile for speed, but they might say, hey,

604
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,319
I want I want to compete with guys that are

605
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:54,440
younger than me. And that's when it gets really fun.

606
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,799
Is golfer that's in their sixties is like I'm playing

607
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:58,559
with forty five fifty year olds. I want to keep

608
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:05,160
up with them, and yeah, and uh or well, scoring

609
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,480
scoring different, but scoring becomes easier when you can hit

610
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,039
it further, obviously. But but for those people, it's really

611
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,440
fun when they actually when we start to get stronger,

612
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,400
and we simply when we're measuring power, we just get

613
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
somebody to jump. We measure their vertical jump, and we

614
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,599
measure their ability to throw a medicine ball from a

615
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,240
seated position. We measure their chest pass how far you

616
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,680
can throw it. So those two simple tests really are

617
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,079
going to show us how much force you can put

618
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,720
down against the ground and how much force you can

619
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:38,119
exert with your upper body against an object. And as

620
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,599
simple as it sounds, we can pretty much tell when

621
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,200
somebody does those two tests what their clubheads. Beat is

622
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,720
going to be.

623
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,359
Speaker 2: At par for success. You guys are based in the Midwest,

624
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,400
if I remember.

625
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,279
Speaker 1: Correctly, actually on the eastern side of the state or

626
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,480
in the country. We're in a base at a North Carolina.

627
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay. And do you work with people remotely

628
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:06,039
or just in person?

629
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 1: Actually we do both. So we have our our facility

630
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,799
is about ten minutes from the Raleigh airport, and so

631
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,880
we have physical therapists in house full time as well

632
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,440
as strength and conditioning coaches. So we do we do

633
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,319
fitness and one on one strength training as well as

634
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:31,240
physical therapy for golfers. But actually the growth, the big

635
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,519
fastest growing part of our company has been the remote coaching.

636
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,759
So three quarters three quarters of our clients are outside

637
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:40,200
the building.

638
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 2: Oh wow, great, great, And answer me why is it

639
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,799
the younger people? And it sure seems this way to

640
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,200
me when I'm playing that it's younger people who ride

641
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:57,680
and the more older guys are walking. Although yeah, they're

642
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,960
definitely older guys that are riding. And there's some course

643
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,759
that you can only ride, right, But do you advocate

644
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,199
walking a golf course? You know, from from the fitness

645
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,880
side of it.

646
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,159
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Fred, And again it's going to

647
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,360
depend on the golfer and where they play. Like you said,

648
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,880
some golf courses just aren't designed to walk be able

649
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,840
to walk, which I'm a walker. I love to walk

650
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,760
the golf course. I mean, obviously I ride probably twenty

651
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,159
percent of my rounds, but whenever I can, I walk,

652
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,559
and I just find it gives me time to think

653
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,599
between shots. I tend to play better when I walk.

654
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,480
But it depends on the person. So some people are

655
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,599
just like, hey, I just want to be able to

656
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,280
play and not have aches and pains, and I want

657
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,159
to hit the ball further. I don't. I don't feel

658
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,639
like I have. You know, I don't my golf course.

659
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,519
It's it's a really tough walk. Like you just need

660
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,280
to be able to If you ride all the time,

661
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,039
you need to be able to swing the club and

662
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,719
you still have to walk a certain distance, but you

663
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,599
may not be able to you you may not need

664
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,480
to walk up all these hills if you're riding a cart.

665
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,960
So the demands are going to be different. We you know,

666
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,480
if somebody wants to walk, that's great. Then we need

667
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,079
to make sure the golfer has the physical ability to

668
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,199
and the endurance to walk the golf course several times

669
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,719
a week depending on how many times they play, or

670
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,280
if they've got an upcoming trip like some of these places,

671
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,960
if you're going to go to Scotland or England or Island, like,

672
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,960
it's walking only, so there's not a choice. And if

673
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,840
you're going to play six, seven, eight days in a

674
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960
row and it's walking only, we would definitely prepare somebody

675
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,679
for that if they're not used to walking on a

676
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,559
regular basis. And some of the courses in the in

677
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,880
the States now, the resorts like Abandon and the one

678
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,719
in the Sand Valley, a lot of those resorts now

679
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,679
are they're basically walking only.

680
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chambers Bay. I played Chambers Bay this past summer

681
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,519
and the one of the guys that I was with

682
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,039
from Chicago never walks, and this was walking only. It

683
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,800
was about a seven point two miles and there was

684
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,119
elevation change all and so he was, you know, any

685
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,039
smoking cigars and he was pretty spent by the end

686
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,719
of the round. And I'm like, just keep drinking water, man,

687
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,920
keep drinking water. Nibble on on snacks, but don't have

688
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,360
a big meal in between, but just you know, sip

689
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,519
and nibble all the way through.

690
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, big difference. Yeah, I saw. I remember watching

691
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:22,920
the US Open when it was there, and I thought

692
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,119
that would be that would not be an easy walk.

693
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it was fun. It was beautiful day.

694
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:33,960
We got lucky. So what about complimentary activities? Can call

695
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,639
him sports if you want, but let's call complimentary activities

696
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,440
that you can do to help support your mobility throughout

697
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,960
your golf. And I'm thinking of things like hiking, biking, swimming.

698
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,559
People are playing pickleball these days, tennis, basketball, All right,

699
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,199
are those helpful or are they not taking advantage of

700
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,039
the same the same parts of your body that you

701
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,960
need to work on for golf.

702
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: Great question, so, and let me make sure I'm understanding

703
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,760
the question correctly. Do those activities you just mentioned improve

704
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,519
your mobility for golf? Was that kind of the question. Yeah, yeah,

705
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:27,400
So the short answer would probably no. Unfortunately, So if

706
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,920
we think of if we think of hiking, biking, swimming,

707
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,400
a lot of those things, you're you're moving in one

708
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:38,599
direction where you kind of moving straightforwards. You know, maybe uh, swimming,

709
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:46,360
there might be there's there's very little rotation demands, especially

710
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,079
in hiking and biking swimming, there might be a little

711
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:55,719
bit pickleball, tennis. I would call all of those activities exercise, right,

712
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,880
So we're working on what we call capacity. So how

713
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,840
far can you walk, how far can you swim? You're biking,

714
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:06,239
we're testing the capacity of the bodies, maybe muscular endurance

715
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:10,920
to some degree. So when we're thinking about golf, like

716
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,039
I said, those four rotary centerspread the neck, the shoulders,

717
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,320
the spine, and the hips. They all need to be

718
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,119
able to rotate a certain amount for you to have

719
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:24,000
a you know, a biomechanically relatively sound, repeatable, powerful golf swing.

720
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,239
So if we don't have rotation around those areas, hiking

721
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,960
and biking aren't necessarily going to help those because we're

722
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,559
not addressing the problem, which is hip rotation. So I'm

723
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,760
not rotating my hip as much when I'm walking in

724
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,239
a straight line or when I'm biking in a straight line.

725
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:48,480
Pickleball and tennis, we're moving. But again that's a sort

726
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,079
of a fitness activity, and maybe it's better than doing

727
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,920
no movement, But you can spend ten minutes of doing

728
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,119
dedicated hip mobility work and that's going to get you

729
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,960
a lot farther than playing an hour of pickleball.

730
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: So are there activities sports that complement golf in the

731
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,320
way that you're trying to elevate.

732
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:17,639
Speaker 1: From a performance standpoint, I wouldn't say any if there's,

733
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:19,440
And that would be a great study maybe to see

734
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,960
if there were people that played different played two sports,

735
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,880
or I played golf in one other sport, to see

736
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,840
if versus people that just played golf, to see how

737
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,800
much of a difference the multi sport athletes, you know,

738
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,800
if their performance is better, if their incidents of injury

739
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,880
is less, I know, if someone is on a dedicated

740
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,559
golf performance plan. So if we're addressing mobility and we're

741
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,880
addressing strength and power, those two fundamental building blocks. Okay,

742
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,639
of that pyramid that we talked about, we've got mobility

743
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:51,519
at the bottom, then strength and power. The top two

744
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,960
are basically technique or efficiency, and the very top one

745
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,039
is speed. Right, So we're not going to chase speed

746
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,320
unless we've got mobility and strength and power. So if so,

747
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,559
if we give somebody mobility and we give them strength

748
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,719
and strength and power, strength and power, they're they're going

749
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,519
to have the best ability to perform at golf. Uh

750
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,199
is playing pick a ball or tennis or hiking, is

751
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,639
it going to make them a better golfer? I think

752
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,920
the if your if your sole focus is getting better

753
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
at golf, there's you know, putting a little bit of

754
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,199
attention into another you know, making sure those those baseline things,

755
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,519
the mobility and the strength and power, making sure that

756
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,000
those aren't a great spot that is. It sounds it

757
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,000
sounds really simple. But and that's where most people. If

758
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,519
you can be consistent with those basics and making sure

759
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,920
you rotate well and that you're strong enough which means

760
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,920
I should say powerful enough so you can jump high

761
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,760
and you can throw far, uh, we can create speed,

762
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,360
then you're going to be in your best spot to

763
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,039
perform well on golf. Now, hiking, biking, those things are

764
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,920
great things to enjoy. Nothing nothing wrong with those at all,

765
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,639
But I don't know if they're going to translate to

766
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,320
an improve golf performance at all.

767
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,559
Speaker 2: Let's talk about balance and the importance of it, how

768
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,440
to make sure that you have it, and how to

769
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:18,960
increase it and probably goes with the base.

770
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,519
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you hit it on the head. It is

771
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,039
most people, I would say, unless you've had a an

772
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,639
event like a like a stroke or something like that,

773
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,920
where there's there's there's been an event where your nervous

774
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,760
system is really affected. Balance is going to be more

775
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,039
of an ability for you. Like most golf ers, they say, yeah,

776
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:47,159
I can't I can't finish my swing and I don't

777
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,719
feel balanced when I'm trying to get get through my swing.

778
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,239
And again it sounds really simple, but if we tested

779
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960
all those people, I guarantee you they would probably have

780
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,239
significant restrictions in rotary mobility, probably lead hip that for

781
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,719
right hand and golfer getting onto your lead hip and

782
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,079
probably being able to rotate your trunk at least fifty

783
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:09,719
sixty degrees in each direction. So that's where if someone

784
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,679
can't rotate, they're going to get to those spots when

785
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,440
they're at their end range of motion and they're fifteen

786
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,159
to twenty degrees short to where they need to be,

787
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,159
and that's where the arms kind of fling up when

788
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,039
they swing and they don't really get onto their lead side.

789
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,719
So most people, when they talk about having a lack

790
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,599
of balance, especially in their golf swing, when we improve

791
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:33,239
their ability to rotate, all of a sudden, four to

792
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,559
six months later, they're noticing, hey, I can actually hold

793
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,679
my finish now. Whereas six months ago I wasn't able

794
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,440
to do that. Those are those are the kinds of

795
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,320
things that we typically see with people that are having

796
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400
balance issues, is that they can actually get through a

797
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,760
full range of motion, and it might take your brain

798
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,559
and your body a little bit of time to adopt

799
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,800
those new sort of i'd say default settings for your

800
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,639
body when you're golfing, because you've got your swing pattern

801
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,000
in your brain. Between your brain and your muscles, or

802
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,920
people call that muscle memory, it's not actually your muscles

803
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,679
don't remember anything. It's your brain that creates a sense

804
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,760
of software program for your body to create that golf swing.

805
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,679
So when we improve the hardware, and when I say hardware,

806
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,920
your ability to rotate. So if we improve the parts

807
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,039
and upgrade your shoulder, neck, trunk, and hip mobility, all

808
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,519
of a sudden we've upgraded the hardware, we kind of

809
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,440
have to do a software update based on the new

810
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,679
hardware that we have in your body so that you

811
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,199
can actually trust that your body can get into these

812
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,440
new positions in the swing. So that can take a

813
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,920
little bit of adjustment period. And people are like, wow,

814
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,119
I hit some really really good shots on the golf

815
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,199
course and I felt like I could swing through, and

816
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,320
then some of them were you know, in the first

817
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
couple of months, it's like I hit some that were

818
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,239
really long and straight, and then some of them kind

819
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,239
of went all over the place. But your body is

820
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,599
getting used to sort of those new default settings in

821
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,320
terms of that upgraded hardware.

822
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,039
Speaker 2: In the last few weeks, I started doing something that

823
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,119
I thought, oh, I'm on to something here. This is

824
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,679
really good because I had balance on my mind, and

825
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,119
so I use every night, I use my electric toothbrush,

826
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,199
and you know, it goes every thirty seconds at beeps,

827
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:12,719
and then you go to the next quadrant of your

828
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,519
mouth and then you you know, and you get four

829
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:18,519
different quadrants. So what I've been doing the last few weeks,

830
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:20,840
and I'm probably you're probably gonna be rolling your eyes

831
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,440
going it's useless for it. But I when for each

832
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,519
quadrant in each section that I'm I'm doing my I

833
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,440
stand on one foot and then on the next quadrant,

834
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,679
I switch to the other foot and I try to

835
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,119
maintain my balance through it. Now it's gotten to the

836
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,079
point where I use just one finger to tap on

837
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,840
the countertop to if I start losing my balance, I

838
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,920
can just tap on it instead of holding onto it

839
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,280
and you know, holding on But I'm trying to increase

840
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,039
my strength, my legs and my balance by doing that,

841
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,239
thinking that it's going to.

842
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: Help my balance or probably get well. Number one, it's

843
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,360
not not sill at all. I mean, yeah, improving balance

844
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,760
is like you you can practice it. But if if

845
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,920
you're really restricted and you can't rotate, that's gonna limit.

846
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,840
That's probably gonna I would say, shorten your ceiling for

847
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,800
improving your balance. Right, So if we improve your mobility,

848
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,639
your ceiling for your balance will get higher. Whereas if

849
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,559
you just practice balance, you know you're gonna you're gonna

850
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,800
rise to the ceiling of where your mobility's at. But

851
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,199
if we can bring your mobility up, the ability for

852
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,679
you to increase your your balance is going to be

853
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,079
your ceiling will be higher. But there's no arm in

854
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
standing on one foot and practicing at all.

855
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:44,159
Speaker 2: Oh Josh, this has been really fascinating. You know, I

856
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,159
thought we were going to be talking about it each

857
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,519
age group, but it's clear doesn't really matter. You just

858
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,920
got to be working on it all the time for everybody.

859
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, anybody at any age and you

860
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,960
know we've got We've got someone that I saw. I

861
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,679
saw Dennis yesterday. He's one of our arm memory in

862
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,159
the facility and he's he's going to be eighty two

863
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,800
in November, and he's he finishes his workout and then

864
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,280
he goes out and we have a basketball and that

865
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960
in the back, and then he shoots hoops for thirty minutes.

866
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,960
So it doesn't matter what age you have or what

867
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:18,519
age you are, you can see improvements in your game

868
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:21,960
if you do the right things. Addresser mobility, address your

869
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,159
strength and power. I mean golfers that are listening to this,

870
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,119
they've probably already tinkered with equipment, they might take lessons

871
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,320
or you know, look at technical things on YouTube, but

872
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,159
make sure you're addressing those those physical limitations because ultimately

873
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,000
that's where I think the lowest hanging fruit is for

874
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:37,599
most people.

875
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 2: Again, their website is par four Success. It's it sounds

876
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,320
like par for success, but it's par four the number four,

877
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,079
Par four success.

878
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: Parfour success dot com. Yeah, or even P four s

879
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golf that'll that will direct you to the same website

880
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as well. P four s golf that makes it simply up.

881
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on Instagram. Par four Success YouTube Facebook at

882
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:06,880
par four success Josh, great conversation, learned a lot. I

883
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,000
don't feel great about myself today. Thanks so much for

884
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,840
joining us.

885
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: No problem, Fred is a pleasure.

886
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,119
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We'll Hear Part two with Mark Sweeney of the aim

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Point putting system. Does aim Point work? I'll let Mark

907
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explain for himself.

908
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Speaker 3: The first time I ever tested this, and I didn't

909
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:42,079
really know what I was doing at the time, but

910
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:43,880
I was giving a lesson and we were talking about

911
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,719
what makes the ball break more and what makes the

912
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,320
ball break lesson the guy looks at me and goes,

913
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,960
you know what, Yeah, I know what breaks more, but

914
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,079
what does that mean? Does that mean three feet or

915
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,400
two feet or twelve inches? So I basically use the

916
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,280
same computer software that does the line for TV, and

917
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,960
I just had to spit out all these numbers and

918
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,440
I took it out and tested it. I only did

919
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,760
one slope, so I just did a basic two percent slope,

920
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,519
and I went out and played eighteen holes and I

921
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,519
think I had eleven putts on the front and fourteen

922
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,119
putts on the back. And I had never ever been

923
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:12,679
below thirty putts and I never made anything outside ten feet.

924
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,599
I think I made two or three putts outside fifteen feet,

925
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,119
made a lot more five six, seven footers, and I

926
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,840
remember just thinking, Wow, there's really something to this. I

927
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,840
don't really understand it yet, I don't really know how

928
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,760
to use it yet, but just the first time I

929
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,280
ever tried it, I could not believe how much better

930
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,039
my putting was just knowing what the proper break was.

931
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: That's Part two with Mark Sweeney this Friday, arriving right

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