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Speaker 2: I come to say goodbye? Where are you going? Sound
Speaker 2: a little trip? That was the squeaker. I want you
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Speaker 2: I'm calling. You got a home now and he doesn't
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Speaker 1: Well goodbye, no buddy, Oh Charlie, I'll miss you. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: What do you do, what are you about?
Speaker 1: And what's up with your background? All the animals?
Speaker 2: Sure, well these are the background is actually the covers
Speaker 2: of my book. So I have twelve books. I just
Speaker 2: published my twelve book. So I'm a medium. It called
Speaker 2: myself a pet medium because I like to deal with
Speaker 2: pets more than people. But I do deal with people.
Speaker 2: I'm also an author of twelve books and they're all
Speaker 2: true paranormal and they're sharing my experiences. So in my
Speaker 2: daytime job, I'm a meteorologist some scientists, so I use
Speaker 2: science to explain how the paranormal works. I also made
Speaker 2: the distinction between earth bound entities which I call ghosts,
Speaker 2: and those who have crossed over, which I call spirits,
Speaker 2: and then I explained how they work in terms of
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that is very very diverse, very versatile. That's
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And I absolutely agree with you that, you know,
Speaker 1: if that you like to deal with pets more than
Speaker 1: with people, I do. I do agree, you know, at
Speaker 1: least animals are are honest. I have two cats myself,
Speaker 1: and you know they'll make it very much known when
Speaker 1: they like or dislike something. So a pet medium that
Speaker 1: is a I mean I am familiar with mediums. My
Speaker 1: wife is a medium herself, but a pet medium. How
Speaker 1: did you? How did you get to that? Why pets?
Speaker 2: So my first experience goes all the way back to
Speaker 2: when I was a teenager. I was I was thirteen
Speaker 2: years old and totally unknowing about disability until my late
Speaker 2: grandfather appeared to me and he scared me in full
Speaker 2: color when nobody else was home. So right then I
Speaker 2: knew something was weird. And I had a really good
Speaker 2: relationship with my mom and dad. With my parents and
Speaker 2: I told them, and my mother said, we have to talk.
Speaker 2: Because she had that ability, she was free to use.
Speaker 2: It turned out her father, the grandfather that appeared to
Speaker 2: me also had the ability. So it runs on my
Speaker 2: mother's side of the family, and I said, okay. I
Speaker 2: shelved that for a long time. Then it came around
Speaker 2: to two thousand and five when I had a puppy,
Speaker 2: and the puppy the dog that's directly above my head here.
Speaker 2: His name is Buzz. He is a wine runner. He
Speaker 2: was given to me as a birthday gift in October
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, and in two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: when I was walking in his leash opened, ran across
Speaker 2: the street, was killed by a car at seven months old,
Speaker 2: and he reawakened my abilities. He sent me musical signs,
Speaker 2: he sent me physical signs, he sent me audible signs,
Speaker 2: a lot of things which I wrote down and then
Speaker 2: eventually that became basis of my first book.
Speaker 1: Wow that is that's so sad. That's seven months old thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. So as a medium, I've learned that
Speaker 2: some animals or people are only air a short time
Speaker 2: because they have a certain mission in life. It was
Speaker 2: Buzz's mission to teach me how pets communicate from the afterlife,
Speaker 2: so that I could in turn teach other people what
Speaker 2: signs to look for and bring them healing when they
Speaker 2: lose a pet, whether tragically or out of old age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I've I have heard similar stories like that.
Speaker 1: A lot of mediums will or the more spiritually gifted
Speaker 1: people will will say that. So I guess Oviia's next question,
Speaker 1: how do pets communicate with us? Because I know my
Speaker 1: cats they just you know, they they meow at me,
Speaker 1: they complain whenever I'm you know, not doing something or
Speaker 1: not getting something that that they want like it? Do
Speaker 1: they like still speak to you in their animal language
Speaker 1: so to so to speak? Or how does that? How
Speaker 1: does that work? How does that go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. There's a number of ways
Speaker 2: that pets will communicate from the other side to their patents.
Speaker 2: So if you have a cat that passed, your cat
Speaker 2: who passed would do similar things to what they did
Speaker 2: when they were alive. So, for instance, if they like
Speaker 2: to sleep at the top of your head on your
Speaker 2: pillow at night, on occasion when your cat visits in spirit,
Speaker 2: you may feel like someone or a cat or something
Speaker 2: is brushing your hair on your pillow. You may feel
Speaker 2: them walk across the bed the end of the bed
Speaker 2: and there's no one there. You may hear them, yeah,
Speaker 2: from what sounds like another room or something very faint,
Speaker 2: or maybe even outside. And that's because it takes a
Speaker 2: lot of energy for a pet to communicate and make
Speaker 2: an audible noise. There's tactile signs. They can touch you,
Speaker 2: and you may feel cold, which I can explain scientifically
Speaker 2: because meteorologists. You may feel a slight pressure, you might
Speaker 2: feel a tingling like especially when you're laying in bed.
Speaker 2: Pets that past have this affinity for coming up on
Speaker 2: the bed when we're sleeping or trying to sleep and
Speaker 2: trying to cuddle up with us to let us know.
Speaker 2: So there's just a few ways.
Speaker 1: Okay, so more the nonverbal. Yeah, that makes sense. It
Speaker 1: would take a lot to actually make make a physical
Speaker 1: silence if you don't have a physical body anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it requires a lot of energy. So one
Speaker 2: thing I've learned staying is that when we pass away,
Speaker 2: when our physical bodies die, we have energy that is
Speaker 2: within us. If you think of cells splitting and thoughts
Speaker 2: as little electrical impulses, that energy has to go somewhere
Speaker 2: because of a law we have in thermodynamics called the
Speaker 2: law of conservation of energy. Says that energy can't be destroyed,
Speaker 2: only transformed. So I've learned that it couples with our memories,
Speaker 2: our knowledge of this life, and our personality, and we
Speaker 2: choose right then to stay earthbound as what I call
Speaker 2: a ghost, which is a very bad idea, or be
Speaker 2: crossover into the light, Heaven, Valhalla, Paradise, whatever what I
Speaker 2: call a spirit. Ghosts are stuck where they decide to stay.
Speaker 2: They cannot communicate with anybody unless a medium walks in
Speaker 2: or somebody sensitive. They also can't leave the place that
Speaker 2: they decided to haunt for some reason. Spirits who've crossed over,
Speaker 2: like our grandparents, great grandparents, whatever, They can come to
Speaker 2: us anywhere, anytime, any place in the world. And I've
Speaker 2: had signs from my parents who have both passed when
Speaker 2: we were on vacation in Italy, and my dog Buzz,
Speaker 2: who passed when we were on vacation in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: They will do things like lead you to someone that
Speaker 2: looks like them. They will bring you to a sign
Speaker 2: with their name on it, as my mother did. When
Speaker 2: I was in Germany and I was talking about my
Speaker 2: Italian mother to my husband and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel my parents are with us on this trip.
Speaker 2: And he says, well, did she give you a sign?
Speaker 2: And I said, no, but I'm keeping my eyes out.
Speaker 2: We were on a bus and we were going from
Speaker 2: a ship cruise ship into a town. We drove by
Speaker 2: a supermarket and it was named the supermarket was called Norma.
Speaker 2: Norma was my mother's first name. What are the chances
Speaker 2: of seeing an Italian woman's name on a store in Germany?
Speaker 1: I would say those chances are pretty slim. That is
Speaker 1: a that's a hell of a coincidence. If that's just
Speaker 1: you know, if it's just that, yeah, you, No, chances
Speaker 1: are very very slim. So I would say that is
Speaker 1: definitely your mother pointing you towards something or guiding you
Speaker 1: towards something or someone herself.
Speaker 2: Just to yeah, just to let us know that she's
Speaker 2: on the on the vacation with us, and yeah. So
Speaker 2: the main rule that I've learned from spirit is that
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as a coincidence when it comes
Speaker 2: to signs from people or pets. On the other side,
Speaker 2: they make it happen. They make us be at the
Speaker 2: right time, at the right place, at the right moment.
Speaker 2: And another example of that is when people look up
Speaker 2: and see rainbows. I just received an email from a
Speaker 2: gentleman that lost his dogs and he said that it
Speaker 2: was a sunny day with just a few clouds around,
Speaker 2: and right after his dog passed, there was a rainbow
Speaker 2: and he couldn't explain it, but he thought, that is
Speaker 2: a sign for my dog, that that she's okay. And
Speaker 2: that's what it was.
Speaker 1: She literally crossed the rainbow bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful, actually it is. And what's interesting too,
Speaker 2: as a meteorologist rainbows. First of all, you have to
Speaker 2: be in the right you have to be looking at
Speaker 2: it at the right angle. Secondly, rainbows don't last very long.
Speaker 2: They're not They're not up there very long. And you know,
Speaker 2: clouds move. As clouds move, clouds change, so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of factors. So timing, looking at the right place
Speaker 2: at the right time, these are all things that spirit
Speaker 2: do to influence us. So we can see signs from the.
Speaker 1: I ever, I never would have thought of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I know that there is no such thing as coincidence.
Speaker 1: Of course, uh in you know, in in my faith,
Speaker 1: we call it the the web of weird. You know,
Speaker 1: we are all connected to each other in you know,
Speaker 1: some way, and I've I've heard my wife say that,
Speaker 1: you know all like it's a it's a sign from
Speaker 1: this one or sign from from that one. Most oftentimes
Speaker 1: my my brother, my late brother. We unfortunately lost him
Speaker 1: a a few years ago, his own mind, you know,
Speaker 1: got the got the better of him. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: through my wife, I know that he is, he is
Speaker 1: still there, and I know that As an example, it
Speaker 1: was I believe either last last summer last spring, I
Speaker 1: actually saw someone on on the bus and at a
Speaker 1: like at a first glance, I was like, yea, what
Speaker 1: dow you know, like a at a first glance, it
Speaker 1: was like that's is that my brother sitting there? And
Speaker 1: know that that can't be because he's not here with
Speaker 1: us anymore. But I could have sworn it was it
Speaker 1: was my brother. So you know, I of course told
Speaker 1: my wife and you know, she said like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was him or at least you know him telling you like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know I may be gone physically, I'm still here,
Speaker 1: still thinking of all of you, still you know, still
Speaker 1: love all of you. So yeah, I definitely had those
Speaker 1: had those signs, but I had no idea that it
Speaker 1: was like guided even that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, they will, well, they will influence us to
Speaker 2: do things like uh. And I'll give you another example.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that my puppy, Buzz, the wine Moreuner passed
Speaker 2: went in two thousand and five. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: we were taking a vacation in Puerto Rico. We had
Speaker 2: never been to Puerto Rico. We had flown into Old
Speaker 2: San Juan and we were walking around. We walked around
Speaker 2: and we came to an intersection where there were five
Speaker 2: streets with a fountain in the middle of them, and
Speaker 2: we had to choose which way to go, and we
Speaker 2: didn't have a map. He had no had two where ago.
Speaker 2: So my husband said, which way do you want to go?
Speaker 2: And you know, of course, I said, We've never been here.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, and he said, well, think about it.
Speaker 2: So I did, and I thought, I feel like we
Speaker 2: have to go down the second street to the right,
Speaker 2: and we did. We get to the end of the
Speaker 2: street and there was a dog walk. The dog walker
Speaker 2: had quite a few dogs and one of them was
Speaker 2: a Wymeruner that looked just like my dog, Buzz. And
Speaker 2: we walked over to that dog walker and I heard
Speaker 2: Buzz in my head say, Dad, do you know what
Speaker 2: today is. And I think for a minute, and it
Speaker 2: was the anniversary of his passing. It was February twenty second,
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, five years four years after he passed. Wow.
Speaker 2: So another thing I've learned is that spirits will give
Speaker 2: us messages around birthdays, anniversaries, and holidays. Anniversaries in terms
Speaker 2: of pets would be anniversary of adoption or anniversary of passing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: because those are important days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reason that a pet would acknowledge those
Speaker 2: things are those are the days that our emotional energy
Speaker 2: is usually higher. Yeah. And as you know as a
Speaker 2: cat dad, they they can read your emotional energy, so
Speaker 2: they know when you're sick, they know when you're happy,
Speaker 2: they know when you're mad at them, you know. And
Speaker 2: they'll come to you when you're in a good way
Speaker 2: or even if you're sick and you need help. And conversely,
Speaker 2: if you're not in a good way, they will go
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that is that is absolutely true. If I
Speaker 1: you know, think of my well, my oldest cat, Timmy
Speaker 1: a k A big red he's a he's a big sweetheart.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he will he will do that whenever I'm
Speaker 1: feeling whenever I'm feeling like a little little down, you know,
Speaker 1: he'll come, come snuggle up to me. And especially at
Speaker 1: night indeed, and when I go to bed, he likes
Speaker 1: to lay on top of me or lay at the
Speaker 1: at the foot end.
Speaker 2: And then so when he's not around anymore, he will
Speaker 2: be doing that in.
Speaker 1: Spirit, I sure hope. So, I mean he is, he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere for a while. I mean he is
Speaker 1: getting he is getting older. He is like ten years
Speaker 1: old already, so he is turning into quite the grumpy
Speaker 1: old man. I have to say, well, yeah, no, that's
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And I remember a I was with an
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend of mine. Actually she hadn't seen her dogs
Speaker 1: in years because they stayed with her mother, and she
Speaker 1: well basically had to escape that household because it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't healthy, it wasn't emotionally talk sealthy, yeah,
Speaker 1: very very much. And she I believe it was also
Speaker 1: like when we came back from like a week and
Speaker 1: away to to Antwerp. I believe it was like we
Speaker 1: came home, we stayed at my my parents' place for
Speaker 1: the night and then you know, went back to our place,
Speaker 1: and she got the message that one of her dogs passed,
Speaker 1: like one of her favorites. And I believe the way
Speaker 1: that he passed was that he hit his his head.
Speaker 1: I believe quite hard. Unfortunately, and this is just from memory.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that was actually the case.
Speaker 1: I wasn't well versed in it back then, but it
Speaker 1: was that same evening we heard a big bottle upstairs,
Speaker 1: like some thing or someone actually like ran into into
Speaker 1: the bedpost or into into the door, you know, like
Speaker 1: kind of confused, not knowing, not realizing where where they're going. Obviously,
Speaker 1: with just like just hearing the news of her her
Speaker 1: dog passing, she was like, wow, he's here. Actually. She
Speaker 1: would also like always tell me stories about that. You know,
Speaker 1: if if one of her dogs had passed that at night,
Speaker 1: he would still indeed like come lay at the at
Speaker 1: the foot of the bed with her. You know, she'd
Speaker 1: feel she'd feel the pressure on the on the blankets.
Speaker 1: But you know there was no well no physical dog,
Speaker 1: let's say too to be seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's very common. One of the things I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier is that sometimes we will feel cold spots,
Speaker 2: like coolness around, So as a meteorologist, I had to
Speaker 2: think about how that would be possible. And what I've
Speaker 2: learned is because ghosts and spirits are energy, they need energy,
Speaker 2: so they will draw energy from the motion of air molecules.
Speaker 2: Because air molecules are always moving in a house outside,
Speaker 2: fast moving molecules of air warm air. Slower moving molecules
Speaker 2: are colder air. So when they take the energy from
Speaker 2: the motion of molecules, they slow them down and they
Speaker 2: create cold spot where they are manifesting.
Speaker 1: That actually makes a lot of sense. I never Oh,
Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way.
Speaker 2: I have a whole bunch of energy related Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was about ghosts and spirits.
Speaker 1: Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense, like taking
Speaker 1: the environmental energy creating a colt spot.
Speaker 2: So I've learned a lot about the different types of
Speaker 2: energy that both earthbound ghosts require and spirits have crushed over.
Speaker 2: They both draw on physical energies, and that's the similarity
Speaker 2: between the two entities. They both draw on heat, light, water,
Speaker 2: and electricity. Those things will fuel either one of them.
Speaker 2: That's why a lot of haunted locations are near bodies
Speaker 2: of water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if it's like running water, like a
Speaker 1: jet or a brook even, yes, where there's or energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now i live in Maine in the US, and
Speaker 2: we're right off the Atlantic Ocean, so or right on
Speaker 2: the Atlantic Ocean, so we have a lot of water energy.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of wave energy, and almost every single
Speaker 2: town up and down the entire coast is haunted, with
Speaker 2: different coasts.
Speaker 1: I can imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so those are physical energies that empower ghosts
Speaker 2: and spirits. There's a difference between the two entities. And
Speaker 2: I've come to realize this that emotions are also energy
Speaker 2: when you think about it. So ghosts draw on negative
Speaker 2: emotional energy, which are fear, anxiety, depression, and anger. Those
Speaker 2: are negative emotions and ghosts feed off of that because
Speaker 2: they're tied to Earth, they are negative emotional energy. So
Speaker 2: those negative emotions empower them. So for instance, if you
Speaker 2: go into a place that's haunted and you are feeling anxious,
Speaker 2: you're empowering the ghost to get strong enough to communicate
Speaker 2: with you. Spirits, on the other hand, love, faith, and
Speaker 2: hope are the things that give them the energy to
Speaker 2: communicate with you. So that's why they can communicate with
Speaker 2: you anytime anywhere in the world because the love that
Speaker 2: you have for them and they share with you is
Speaker 2: always there.
Speaker 1: So h then that like also would fit with I
Speaker 1: do like the most Hunter shows, like every now and then,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a bit of a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's very very heavily disputed all of it,
Speaker 1: but you know it's a it's it's fun every now
Speaker 1: and then. And what you'll you'll hear a lot is
Speaker 1: that if they they walk into a room, if they
Speaker 1: walk into an open space, it's like there's a very
Speaker 1: heavy energy here. And if it's indeed a ghost, you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that they are looking for, you know, in
Speaker 1: the name, Yeah, it would make sense that if it
Speaker 1: is a negative energy, that it would be a very
Speaker 1: very heavy energy. Especially you know, they always like to
Speaker 1: go to places like the the old castles or abandoned hospitals,
Speaker 1: abandoned salts or prisons, you know, where a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of things happened, you know, both both good
Speaker 1: and bad. Often you know, more more bad.
Speaker 2: That's yeah. So I'm I've also thought about why I
Speaker 2: communicate with a number of earth Bouk ghosts because they
Speaker 2: go I've been on paranormal investigations for fifteen years and
Speaker 2: trying to figure out why they're there and then help
Speaker 2: them cross over. So I've learned a couple of things
Speaker 2: about that too, which we're really eye opening. When we die,
Speaker 2: we get a quick review of our life. For I
Speaker 2: have found that people who are very devout into their religions,
Speaker 2: whatever religion they are are, usually magnify their infractions to
Speaker 2: the point where they don't think they're worthy of crossing over,
Speaker 2: or if they crossover, they think they're going to a
Speaker 2: bad place. Now, every spirit I've talked to said that
Speaker 2: there isn't a bad place, it's just love and peace
Speaker 2: on the other side, and that being stock earthbound as
Speaker 2: a ghost with no one to speak to for eternity
Speaker 2: is actually a hellish place.
Speaker 1: So it's like being everly hell on Earth.
Speaker 2: Hell on Earth, right, yeah, exactly. I mean, think about
Speaker 2: a place you've been to that's haunted, and if you
Speaker 2: or nobody can communicate with the ghost that's in there,
Speaker 2: you can't find it what they want or to or
Speaker 2: figure out a way to help them because you don't
Speaker 2: know their story. Ghosts who choose to stay earthbound are
Speaker 2: trapped without a way to communicate and they also can't
Speaker 2: communicate with the spirits of their loved ones who have
Speaker 2: crossed over.
Speaker 1: Oh there is even a barrier or a veil between
Speaker 1: those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you think of spirits as positive energy and
Speaker 2: you think of ghosts as negative energy, it works the
Speaker 2: same way as a magnet that they repel each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they can't connect. Okay, So another little science inference there.
Speaker 2: And you said that some will will choose to stay here.
Speaker 2: But if it is, you know that bad, If it
Speaker 2: is quite literally hell on earth and you're not able
Speaker 2: to communicate with anything or any one, which I imagine
Speaker 2: gets incredibly lonely, even as a ghostly form, why would
Speaker 2: you choose that? Well, they choose it out of fear.
Speaker 2: For the most part. That's why prisons are haunted. Prisons
Speaker 2: are loaded with ghosts because when they die, they have
Speaker 2: this awakening that they they're in prison because they did
Speaker 2: something terrible. So their fear crossing over and going to
Speaker 2: hell again. No spirit that I've ever talked to has
Speaker 2: ever said there is a such thing as hell. So,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that I think that hell
Speaker 2: was created to make people fall in line with whatever
Speaker 2: somebody wanted them to fall in line with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, fear is a fear is a way
Speaker 2: that you can get people to do what you want
Speaker 2: them to do.
Speaker 1: It can be a powerful motivator.
Speaker 2: Yes, sadly, yeah, sadly, we know. But that's why they
Speaker 2: don't cross over it, you know. Even so, hospitals also
Speaker 2: not that they've not that they've done anything wrong, but
Speaker 2: hospitals are also rife with ghosts because when people wake
Speaker 2: up in a hospital, when people die in the hospital
Speaker 2: and they awaken as energy with their memories, they can
Speaker 2: be confused that they died in a hospital. They're not home.
Speaker 2: Where are they? And what I've learned is that because
Speaker 2: these entities of energy are like a battery, over time
Speaker 2: that charge drops, that charge drops to a point where
Speaker 2: they don't have enough energy to open the door to
Speaker 2: the other side. And that's why as paranormal investigators, we
Speaker 2: have to go in and we have to combine emotional
Speaker 2: energies of four or five people to get strong enough
Speaker 2: to open the doorway for that ghost to cross old.
Speaker 2: So it's all about energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, okay, oh, that's actually making a a whole
Speaker 1: lot of setus Like a lot of things are clicking
Speaker 1: or a lot of puzzle pieces are coming.
Speaker 2: Together now makes yeah, excellent, Well I have you know,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for about fifteen years, and the
Speaker 2: scientist part of me says, Okay, there has to be
Speaker 2: a reason why these things are the way they are.
Speaker 2: Why can't And it was only until it wasn't only
Speaker 2: until last summer that I had the thought that the
Speaker 2: entities of energy are just like a battery and they
Speaker 2: linger so long that charge is going to drain away
Speaker 2: and it's up to someone to help give them enough
Speaker 2: energy to cross over. But that I've done a number
Speaker 2: of crossings over too. Have you ever done any crossings over?
Speaker 1: No? No, I haven't. I know my wife has helped.
Speaker 1: She has helped with her, with her grandfather, with her granddaddy.
Speaker 1: He was in in the last part of his life.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was very sick. He was in was in a
Speaker 1: lot of pain, and my wife, not fully aware of
Speaker 1: what she was, was capable. Yet she did help him
Speaker 1: cross over, and she helped one of her one of
Speaker 1: her pets, actually, she helped her crossover as well. Parts
Speaker 1: medium parts of reiki as well, you know, taking the
Speaker 1: taking the pain away so that they can peacefully cross over,
Speaker 1: and she has, she has had very mixed feelings about
Speaker 1: that for a for a very very long time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it.
Speaker 1: Of course, on one hand, it's beautiful that she that
Speaker 1: she was able to help to you know, at least
Speaker 1: take the pain away or alleviate the pain so that
Speaker 1: they were comfortable with crossing over. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there is that you very human part of her that
Speaker 1: you know, like fear is the worst, Like what if
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, would they still you know, be here?
Speaker 1: Do you like, did I do something something wrong? She's
Speaker 1: been very very anxious about that for a for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: There's no need to be anxious about it. It's actually
Speaker 2: the greatest gift you can give to anybody to help
Speaker 2: them crossover. And it takes a lot of our energy too, physical, mental,
Speaker 2: and emotional energy. And I find that too when I
Speaker 2: do when I connect to a ghost, an earthbound ghost,
Speaker 2: or when I do a reading for a PET. I
Speaker 2: do PET readings on the weekends, and it takes a
Speaker 2: lot of energy out of me, and usually after two
Speaker 2: of them, I'm totally physically exhausted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I recognize that with my wife as well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: especially my brother will come through, and she will just
Speaker 1: be absolutely exhausted afterwards. And it's it's not even a
Speaker 1: you know, like very very long, she won't chattel him
Speaker 1: very very long, or but it's it's a lot. I
Speaker 1: recognize that. Yeah, And with ghosts energies functioning as a
Speaker 1: batter on a charge, as you said, I wonder that
Speaker 1: what happens if the charge runs out? What happens if
Speaker 1: nobody is able to help them?
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. So I have thought about
Speaker 2: that too. And when there's not enough energy, the energy
Speaker 2: will just linger. Just like having a light bulb on
Speaker 2: a dimmer switch, if you turn the dimmer switch all
Speaker 2: the way down, you can only see basically the outline
Speaker 2: of the light bulb at the very lowest power. When
Speaker 2: you turn when you add energy, you turn up the
Speaker 2: dimmer switch, you can see the filaments, so you can
Speaker 2: see the whole light bulb, you can see the whole room.
Speaker 2: So what I've come to understand is that ghosts are
Speaker 2: basically have this minimum energy level and they just linger
Speaker 2: there until energy comes to them, and that that gives
Speaker 2: them enough strength to do something. Perhaps There's also the
Speaker 2: other thing too, is that I've also realize that there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as time for ghosts and spirits. Time
Speaker 2: is a physical thing. Time is a physical thing in
Speaker 2: the world, like three hundred and sixty five days or
Speaker 2: one year here. One year on Saturn is twenty nine
Speaker 2: earth years. So it depends on where you are as
Speaker 2: a spirit or a ghost. You're not really in the
Speaker 2: same dimensional. You know, you're not in the physical dimension.
Speaker 2: So but that doesn't that doesn't mean that ghosts don't
Speaker 2: know that time has passed, because they can see the
Speaker 2: way people dress, they can see things change within the
Speaker 2: structure from which they live, so they'll know that way
Speaker 2: that time's passing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I yeah. I like to ponder on
Speaker 1: the ideas of like the higher realms, and I've heard
Speaker 1: it said many times, and I definitely do believe that
Speaker 1: it's that is the case. If we're like talking like
Speaker 1: high or lower dimensions. I'm not sure how that works
Speaker 1: with the with the spirit that's like just a dimension
Speaker 1: next to ours perhaps, But if you look at like
Speaker 1: from the fourth dimension down today the third dimension, how
Speaker 1: I have heard it described a lot, which makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for me, is like one of those
Speaker 1: old school film reels like if you look down on
Speaker 1: the film reel, like you can see the whole timeline
Speaker 1: at once basically, but it's when you're part of the film,
Speaker 1: part of the third dimension, you can see that. And
Speaker 1: but you know that would be like the second dimension
Speaker 1: for us, you know, just flat. Yeah, so I guess
Speaker 1: how how does that work in the spirit world?
Speaker 2: You said?
Speaker 1: You know, see they can see time passing in you know,
Speaker 1: like people change, clothes change, building cities change. So does
Speaker 1: that mean that they are still in a like a
Speaker 1: dimension within our physical dimension or next to us. I'm
Speaker 1: always I'm very curious about That's one of the things
Speaker 1: that always still still bugs me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't really explored the dimensional aspect
Speaker 2: of it, to be honest with you. All I know
Speaker 2: is that they they because they choose to stay earth bound,
Speaker 2: they share that space with us until they cross over,
Speaker 2: until they become a spirit. So so ghosts are kind
Speaker 2: of a an anomaly. I mean, they're in kind of
Speaker 2: a different dimension. But then then again, hmm, they can contact.
Speaker 2: They can make contact with us physically, so so they
Speaker 2: are here. They just it's just not that they're not
Speaker 2: physically here, it's just energy with a conscious I know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's kind of weird. It's hard to really
Speaker 2: conceive that, you know. And people ask me too that
Speaker 2: when people cross over in spirit, what's it like on
Speaker 2: the other side. Do people have jobs to people in houses? No? No,
Speaker 2: they don't. Their energy, I would hope not. No, absolutely no.
Speaker 1: Imagine that's crossing over, but still haven't got to go
Speaker 1: to work nine to five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what about those people who die in their workplace?
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be horrible? I mean, and then they haunt
Speaker 2: their workplace? Talk about a bad place to haunt when you're.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it depends on how much you
Speaker 1: liked or disliked your colleagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but your colleagues aren't going to be around long enough.
Speaker 2: You know, it's ghosts, They're going to be gone, that's true.
Speaker 1: Darn Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would definitely, I definitely not haunt the place in
Speaker 2: which I worked. No, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: You know, even if time, as we know it is
Speaker 1: not really a thing there, that would still be just
Speaker 1: a waste of time or a waste of energy. I
Speaker 1: guess then in that case, absolutely, you can do You
Speaker 1: can do so much, so much better, so much more yeah,
Speaker 1: just cross over where you can go anywhere you want.
Speaker 1: You don't have to stay work for the rest of
Speaker 1: your eternity. Oh well thanks, that's cool. So you mentioned
Speaker 1: there is no from what you have heard with the
Speaker 1: spirits that you have communicated with, there is no such
Speaker 1: thing as hell good thing. I you know, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. I've done plenty of research into that. Then
Speaker 1: what is there in the the afterlife, if you will?
Speaker 1: Is it something that we create for ourselves? Like you
Speaker 1: you said that like religion or their beliefs also play
Speaker 1: a large role. So you know, I am Germanic pagan,
Speaker 1: Germanic ethen, I follow the old gods of Europe. We
Speaker 1: have realms where you go to also depending on how
Speaker 1: you die. Sure, So would it be the case if
Speaker 1: I just like believe hard enough in that, if that's
Speaker 1: you know, truly part of my my core, my essence,
Speaker 1: that I manifest that in a way after my passing.
Speaker 1: Or is there like some general realm?
Speaker 2: Well, from what I understand, there's it's really a general realm.
Speaker 2: But there are different levels of the afterlife. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been told there were three. I think in the
Speaker 2: Japanese culture there are seven. It all differs. And you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: we won't know until we get there.
Speaker 1: So that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's true. All I do know is
Speaker 2: that so I learned that there are three levels because
Speaker 2: from our personal experience when my aunt passed away, my
Speaker 2: mother's sister back in the early nights, my mother and
Speaker 2: my aunt had a love hate relationship, always had a
Speaker 2: love hate relationship because my aunt used to frankly, my
Speaker 2: aunt would steal my mother's clothes when my mother was
Speaker 2: single and never give them back, and she would do
Speaker 2: all the you know, other things and so forth. And
Speaker 2: my mother's side of the family is Italian, and I
Speaker 2: always told my mother, I said, I know Italians invented
Speaker 2: the word vendetta, but you have to let it go.
Speaker 2: I have to let it go. Yeah, okay, but they
Speaker 2: you know they did they didn't because that was part
Speaker 2: of their upbringing. They would hold onto things. So when
Speaker 2: my aunt passed away, she wanted forgiveness from my mother.
Speaker 2: And I know this is awful to say, but my
Speaker 2: mother said, now for all of the transgressions that she
Speaker 2: endured over decades and decades from my aunt. So me
Speaker 2: having this quirky little gift and This was before it
Speaker 2: really exploded. This was my only interim experience. Really. My
Speaker 2: aunt appeared to me and begged me for forgiveness from
Speaker 2: my mother so that she could go up to the
Speaker 2: next level in the afterlife. My aunt appeared as a
Speaker 2: shadow figure in my bedroom twenty almost twenty years or
Speaker 2: fifteen years after she passed, and she scared the hell
Speaker 2: out of me.
Speaker 1: I didn't imagine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and she said, I need I need normous
Speaker 2: forgiveness so that I and go to the next level
Speaker 2: where I can be a piece more because I can't
Speaker 2: forgive myself for the things that I've done. Well, Stane,
Speaker 2: it it took me. It took me five years, No, twenty,
Speaker 2: not five years. I'm sorry. It took me over twenty
Speaker 2: years to get my mother's forgiveness. And because my aunt
Speaker 2: kept coming to me, and I told, I said that
Speaker 2: Italians have ended the word vendetta. So finally my aunt
Speaker 2: kept coming back to me, and I finally still my mother, Look,
Speaker 2: she's been gone a long time. She needs she needs
Speaker 2: to have that piece. And my mother finally said, Okay,
Speaker 2: if it's going to bring her peace, I forgive her.
Speaker 2: So with that after she heard that, after she said that.
Speaker 2: I got in the car and I turned on my
Speaker 2: radio my CD player at the time, and the song
Speaker 2: that was cued up was this happens to be a
Speaker 2: song that reminded me my aunt. I had no idea
Speaker 2: that it was next on the CD player, and I thought,
Speaker 2: I just stopped for a minute. I said, okay, I said,
Speaker 2: if you are okay and you have achieved the next
Speaker 2: level on the Afterlife, please let me know. The CD
Speaker 2: skipped three times, and I thought, okay, this CD is
Speaker 2: never skipped. So I said, okay, give me another sign,
Speaker 2: or give me that. Give me give me another sign
Speaker 2: to make sure that that just wasn't a coir. That
Speaker 2: CD skipped again about three times, and it never and
Speaker 2: then it played through. So that was my aunt's way
Speaker 2: of confirming that she was okay. And I will tell
Speaker 2: you that every time I played that CD afterward, it
Speaker 2: never skipped.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh wow, So it's not it's not the CD,
Speaker 1: it's not the CD player because it would have wow.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's for all the nay sayers that
Speaker 1: are pretty you know, that are still out there that
Speaker 1: debunks that. You know, if it's just ones and never again,
Speaker 1: that's that's not a coincidence, and especially if you you know,
Speaker 1: if you asked for it, it's like you know once, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it's still technology. You know, we saw at
Speaker 1: the at the beginning of the Yes recording how technology
Speaker 1: can work against us. So you know, okay that that
Speaker 1: might happen, but if you ask it for it a
Speaker 1: second time, the same thing happens. Yeah, I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a sign. That's absolutely a sign.
Speaker 2: So three levels, okay, yeah, So that's that's why I learned.
Speaker 2: I learned from my own but you know, there could
Speaker 2: be more. I don't know, but this is just my
Speaker 2: personal experience. And on a related note, Spirits also use
Speaker 2: music to send us signs. So if you get in
Speaker 2: your car, your vehicle, and you turn on the radio
Speaker 2: and a song comes on that reminds you of somebody
Speaker 2: that passed away, whether it's be person or pet, that
Speaker 2: means that spirit influenced you to get in your vehicle
Speaker 2: at that time and turn on the radio at that
Speaker 2: very moment, so you would hear that song to know
Speaker 2: that they're with you. Has that happened to.
Speaker 1: You, not as a sign, But I am a big
Speaker 1: lover of music for sure, and there are definitely songs
Speaker 1: and certain songs that I associate with with the people
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: What about your brother? Has your brother? Is there a
Speaker 2: song that reminds you of your brother that you've heard now?
Speaker 1: And then, well, our music tastes differ a whole lot. Actually,
Speaker 1: he was I'm quite the quite the metal heads, you know,
Speaker 1: the heavier the better, you know, gimme Graul's gruns and
Speaker 1: all that. He always thought that was just noise and like,
Speaker 1: can I just turn it down for once? He was
Speaker 1: more the the indie pop, indie rock singer songwriter type
Speaker 1: and yeah, so no no music really what I I mean?
Speaker 1: I have done something the other way around some He
Speaker 1: a brilliant writer, run scriptwriter, one of the best at
Speaker 1: the the Film Academy in Amsterdam has has seen in
Speaker 1: a long long time. His final project actually got got
Speaker 1: picked up and turned into a series at least, you know,
Speaker 1: a series on YouTube. Watched the full thing of course,
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely amazing. And I have written a book
Speaker 1: myself too, probably not as good as your your books,
Speaker 1: and only one instead of twelve, and I like kind
Speaker 1: of based on my own story but set in a
Speaker 1: semi fictionalized setting, and I have named one of the
Speaker 1: cats of the main character. I named it after the
Speaker 1: main character of my brother's movie as to to honor
Speaker 1: him as well. I added like one more letter so
Speaker 1: to to make it a different name, but still as
Speaker 1: a as a tribute to my my brother because also
Speaker 1: like at the time when they were when they were
Speaker 1: shooting his his movie, I worked as a freelance cook
Speaker 1: at the time and he asked me to do catering
Speaker 1: for them. My name or the name that I went
Speaker 1: by professionally at that time is actually in the end
Speaker 1: credits as the caterer and what he has also done.
Speaker 1: It's in in one episode he named a character after me.
Speaker 1: Wow I at the time, I was a vernancec guy.
Speaker 1: I went by chef Stein and he named a character,
Speaker 1: a side character he named the chef Stein and that
Speaker 1: character was a wheed farmer, of course, which I thought
Speaker 1: was very funny. It was an idea of a friend
Speaker 1: of his from school who also worked on the movie.
Speaker 1: And I am still very honored that he did that,
Speaker 1: and I love the fact even more that it was
Speaker 1: my brother himself who played the character. He had no
Speaker 1: lines or anything, was you know, on screening very very shortly,
Speaker 1: but still plays quite a integral part in the plot
Speaker 1: of that that episode. So you know that, and I
Speaker 1: still love too too, reminisce about it. I still love
Speaker 1: to think about that that you know in so many ways,
Speaker 1: not just as brothers, but you know, even in our
Speaker 1: personal projects that mean a lot to us. We are
Speaker 1: still connected with each other. But music wise, no, not
Speaker 1: not really. There is a My parents are still here, thankfully,
Speaker 1: but there are definitely songs that I associate with my
Speaker 1: mother and with my father. I have those songs also
Speaker 1: said as a custom ring tone for them. Of course
Speaker 1: for my mother because she she told me she played
Speaker 1: that a lot when I was still in the womb.
Speaker 1: Kiss Seal from our seal, Kissed from a Rose, my
Speaker 1: mother played a lot, and my father from a from
Speaker 1: a Dutch artist. That was a song that he heard
Speaker 1: a lot when he was he was younger and in
Speaker 1: the hospital for quite a time when he had some
Speaker 1: issues when he was like just a few months old.
Speaker 1: So rams a Cheffy with Sammy or Sammy and it
Speaker 1: became one of his his favorite songs because also one
Speaker 1: of the kids that was on the well in the
Speaker 1: like the in the room with him at the hospital
Speaker 1: was called Sammy and they became you know, over time
Speaker 1: that they the time that they spend together in the hospital,
Speaker 1: they became you know, good friends. And so that's that's
Speaker 1: the song that I will always associate with my father
Speaker 1: and a song that I will always associate with my mother.
Speaker 1: And I still quote my late grandmother. Yeah. She always
Speaker 1: told me, if you want to better the world, start
Speaker 1: by making a better you start with yourself.
Speaker 2: And great advice.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is. And I took that advice, and yeah,
Speaker 1: life has gotten a lot a lot better. So I
Speaker 1: will I will still quote her whenever whenever. And I
Speaker 1: guess the thing that I miss most about her is
Speaker 1: Grandma's cooking because she just always made sure that was
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Well that's a great way to honor her
Speaker 2: about is to just live by her her message.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it wasn't until a uh, a
Speaker 1: few years ago or well a few years ago while
Speaker 1: ago that that I really, you know, began to see
Speaker 1: the the value in that, because you know, as a
Speaker 1: as a teenager, you know, rebellious senior Church, it's like, yeah, whatever, Grandma.
Speaker 1: And then you you go through life, you go through
Speaker 1: some some things that's that shape you, that sharpened you,
Speaker 1: that's create character, and then you're like cool. She was right.
Speaker 2: It's interesting about where we find people that will change
Speaker 2: our lives. It's so it's so awesome to hear that
Speaker 2: your grandmother was pivotal and giving you that mindset. I
Speaker 2: wasn't close to any of my grandparents. One of them
Speaker 2: had passed, well, two of them had passed before I
Speaker 2: was even born, and the others weren't. I weren't wasn't
Speaker 2: close to them. But early on though, So when I
Speaker 2: was a teenager, I was kind of a quiet teenager
Speaker 2: and I needed some inspiration. And you may you may laugh,
Speaker 2: but the person I found the inspiration from was Dolly Parton,
Speaker 2: Dolly Parking because of her, she was optimistic, she was happy,
Speaker 2: she loved everybody. She taught me how to appreciate simple
Speaker 2: things in life. And even when I was struggling financially,
Speaker 2: I was still happy. I was still happy with anything.
Speaker 2: I was appreciative of, a good cup of coffee, beautiful sunrise,
Speaker 2: a phone call from a friend. That's all WE'SOK, you know,
Speaker 2: And and that's exactly what spirits on the other side
Speaker 2: want us to do. Is that every time I've spoken
Speaker 2: to a spirit on the other side, they say, appreciate
Speaker 2: the simple things. That's the big lesson. And once you
Speaker 2: start doing that, as you said, your life got so
Speaker 2: much better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, Okay, yeah, it's she's not a She's not
Speaker 1: a bad example, you know she is. Uh.
Speaker 2: I think, if ever, if everybody could be like Dolly Parton,
Speaker 2: this war will be an awesome place love. Everybody agree
Speaker 2: except everybody. Yeah, yeah, sadly the world is not like that.
Speaker 1: But no, but hey we can we can still strive
Speaker 1: for it, you know. The there is that ripple effects.
Speaker 1: Of course. That's also why my my grandmother of course, said,
Speaker 1: you know, start with with yourself, because if you're happy,
Speaker 1: people around you see that you're happy, which makes them happy.
Speaker 2: I want to jump back to Pets for a minute,
Speaker 2: because it's cat Dad. I know we're covering a lot,
Speaker 2: but I've covered a lot. So one thing I forgot
Speaker 2: to mention the upfront is that I have three series
Speaker 2: of books. One is called Pets and the Afterlife, And
Speaker 2: in those books, I teach people how their pets are
Speaker 2: giving them signs so that they don't need to pay
Speaker 2: a medium. Really they can read about they can learn
Speaker 2: it themselves and pay tension. The second series of books
Speaker 2: is called Ghosts Versus Spirits, so their paranel investigations versus
Speaker 2: Spirits that I've communicated with. The third one is Ghosts
Speaker 2: on a Medium's Vacation. Whenever I go on vacation, I'm
Speaker 2: sure your wife experiences this. Dead people like to talk
Speaker 2: to you. It's kind of it is. But so I
Speaker 2: went to Ireland and I went to England, and those
Speaker 2: are the topics of two of my three books in
Speaker 2: that series. And I learned history by talking to dead
Speaker 2: people at the time that I later verified when I
Speaker 2: went home. It was fascinating.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting way to learn the history of the
Speaker 1: lands by it is I mean, I guess it's you know,
Speaker 1: as close as a as a source as you can get.
Speaker 1: You know, the people that actually lived through it, that
Speaker 1: are actually you know, that actually live there, are there,
Speaker 1: just not actually there.
Speaker 2: Physically there, right, yeah. Yeah. So whenever I go anywhere,
Speaker 2: whether it be an investigation or vacation or whatever, I
Speaker 2: always keep a journal with me and I write everything
Speaker 2: down and then I verify it later and I sketch
Speaker 2: ghosts out by the way, So in my books, people
Speaker 2: will see ghosts that I've sketched out. And every time
Speaker 2: I go on a paranormal investigation and I do that,
Speaker 2: I've been happy. Well, I'm happy to say that the
Speaker 2: people in the home will always say that is the
Speaker 2: ghost that they saw. So I've been you know, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent so far. And one of the sketches in
Speaker 2: one of my books, Case Spiles and Inspired ghost Tracking,
Speaker 2: we had a technical team to win first and took
Speaker 2: infrared images and they caught one of this ghost. Then
Speaker 2: I went in with another medium and I sketched this
Speaker 2: ghost out. After I was done, the tech team days
Speaker 2: later emailed me picture side by side. They look alike. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's pretty cool. But getting back to Petsford just
Speaker 2: a minute. Being a cat dad, you need to know
Speaker 2: that your cat is listening to every single thing you say,
Speaker 2: and they will remember every single thing you say. There
Speaker 2: was there was a cat that I did a reading
Speaker 2: for and I love this story so I say it often,
Speaker 2: but I never get tired of repeating it. There was
Speaker 2: a woman named Ingrid who had written me for a
Speaker 2: reading about her cat named Buddy. But he gave me
Speaker 2: all kinds of information, but he gave me a word
Speaker 2: that I've never heard before, and the word was mala.
Speaker 2: Never heard of that word. I know Spanish, and Spanish
Speaker 2: mala is bad, but that wasn't it anyway. So I
Speaker 2: wrote it. I do all my readings by email, and
Speaker 2: I sent it to her and I said, I have
Speaker 2: no idea what this word means, but he said it
Speaker 2: over and over again, so it mustn't mean something. So
Speaker 2: she wrote me back and she said, I enjoyed the reading.
Speaker 2: I understood everything, and the word mala stood out because
Speaker 2: two people, or only two living things know what that
Speaker 2: word means to me. And she said me and Buddy.
Speaker 2: She said, every morning when she wakes up, she opens
Speaker 2: her door, bedroom door, Buddy comes in to her bedroom.
Speaker 2: She sits down with Buddy, she does a meditation called
Speaker 2: the Mala meditation. Wow, okay, And so that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Dogs do the same thing. There was a dog who
Speaker 2: came through to me that gave me the number five
Speaker 2: twelve to his dad, who was a black Labrador retriever,
Speaker 2: and the dad said, no idea what that means. He
Speaker 2: wrote me back eight months later and said, I'm the
Speaker 2: guy that you said. My black lab said five twelve.
Speaker 2: I think I finally figured it out. He said, I
Speaker 2: want to tell you that I am a doctor. I
Speaker 2: was in my office this week. Patient came in. He
Speaker 2: was having he was suffering from a collapse lung. I
Speaker 2: wrote the medical code down. It was five twelve. My
Speaker 2: dog passed from collapse lungs.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Five twelves. Wow. So even.
Speaker 1: They even remembered that or like new new that. Oh
Speaker 1: that is that is special.
Speaker 2: And they get help from human spirits too for things.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, especially when it comes to numbers.
Speaker 2: They can send repeating numbers too. They're called angel numbers.
Speaker 2: So have you seen repeating numbers since your brother.
Speaker 1: I will often see the the same patterns. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've I've had that a lot actually, and like, come
Speaker 1: to think of it, it's the fifteen. Seems to be
Speaker 1: a very prevalent number within within our family. Yeah, fifteen.
Speaker 2: Like his birthday on the well, it's the fifteenth of October,
Speaker 2: my four fifteen right now PM my time, Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course it.
Speaker 1: Is my Yeah, my daughter's birthdays on the fifteenth of April,
Speaker 1: my son's birthdays on the fifteenth of May. It was
Speaker 1: at fifteen years old that I got my first long
Speaker 1: term girlfriend, so I'll still see that, see that a lot.
Speaker 1: And yeah, by by happenstance just now as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a coincidence. So that's your brother, this particular
Speaker 2: instance is your brother that made you talk about fifteen
Speaker 2: because it's fifteen on the clock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because his birthday is October fifteenth, and I
Speaker 1: just remembered, like, wow, fifteen, Like we have a lot
Speaker 1: of things with fifteen.
Speaker 2: Fast, Okay. So interestingly enough, I wrote a book called
Speaker 2: Kindred Spirits about a spirit named Ed whose birthday is
Speaker 2: also October fifteenth. Eh Ood. He is my husband's late
Speaker 2: partner who I've never met. He died long before I
Speaker 2: met my husband, and he has been with us since
Speaker 2: the first day we met, and he has given us signs.
Speaker 2: He uses pennies with the date nineteen ninety six on it,
Speaker 2: the year he passed. I have truckload of pennies with
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six on it whenever he's around. He sent
Speaker 2: us a look alike when we were lost in England
Speaker 2: in a forested area at sunset, and this one guy
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, got out of his He was
Speaker 2: a Royal mail delivery driver. He got out of his
Speaker 2: truck flagged him down, and I thought I was just
Speaker 2: going to pass out because he looked exactly like Ed's picture.
Speaker 2: Had Ed lived to be in his fifties. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And my husband thought the same thing. He said, did
Speaker 2: you see that guy? He said, Yeah, he looks exactly
Speaker 2: like Ed would have looked. Tad he lived to be
Speaker 2: in his fifties. He also helped me solve the mystery
Speaker 2: behind his own death. So all of that is in
Speaker 2: that book. Wow, okay, yeah, so that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: But he's proven that he's with our dog in spirit,
Speaker 2: and he's done that using So I'm trying to tie
Speaker 2: all this in here between the numbers, between the numbers
Speaker 2: and the pets and spirits. So he uses coins so
Speaker 2: dated nineteen ninety six, the year he passed. Every time
Speaker 2: one of our dogs have passed within a couple of days,
Speaker 2: we have found a coin dated nineteen ninety six. So
Speaker 2: that's Ed's way of saying our dog is with him.
Speaker 2: And Ed always wanted a dog when he was alive.
Speaker 2: So I've been told now he has four of our
Speaker 2: dogs in spirit. Wow, we have four in spirit?
Speaker 1: So he was was he born on the fifteenth Offtober
Speaker 1: Did he passed on the fifteenth of October.
Speaker 2: No, he was born on October fifteenth.
Speaker 1: Then wow, because my brother's birth year is actually nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, so wow, very close. Yeah, he's in the
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's one thing he has on me.
Speaker 1: He's in the Club of twenty seven with all the
Speaker 1: the great names that are in that that club as well.
Speaker 1: So kind of kind of jealous about that. I got
Speaker 1: to say, you know, he gets to gets to hang
Speaker 1: out with I, just like Kurt Kabaine for example. You know,
Speaker 1: the whole Club of twenty seventh thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting, well there is there's definitely, you know,
Speaker 2: no such thing as a coincidence when it comes to numbers,
Speaker 2: when it comes to finding coins with a certain year
Speaker 2: on them. It is interesting though, that he shares the
Speaker 2: same birthday of a special spirit that has been around
Speaker 2: me for now twenty years, and it's always around me.
Speaker 2: We Actually he just showed up again today.
Speaker 1: Of course he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the form of a pickup truck that he
Speaker 2: used to drive, same pickup track, same color, same model,
Speaker 2: same year from nineteen ninety two. What are the chances
Speaker 2: of seeing.
Speaker 1: That nineteen ninety two, which is my year of birth.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm not going to tell you mine.
Speaker 1: You I want to say nineteen ninety. You can't be
Speaker 1: that much older than I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad lighting in here, but thank you.
Speaker 1: Of course, no I pick up drug that. Actually that
Speaker 1: reminds me of something like my wife's son, her Gooberg
Speaker 1: as she calls him. He is sensitive to these things
Speaker 1: as well, so she'll sometimes ask him like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you can you help mommy find something? And there was
Speaker 1: the one day last summer. I believe when when I
Speaker 1: go outside, my my cats will follow me, like wherever
Speaker 1: wherever I go, they follow me. Uh, Timmy, the older
Speaker 1: one red cats, he he knows where to go, He'll
Speaker 1: find his way. My other cat, the well, the baby Selene,
Speaker 1: she you know, is still kind of struggling. I you know,
Speaker 1: came home from just just doing groceries, just every day things,
Speaker 1: and it was getting you know, getting a little late,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, you know, I really speak
Speaker 1: of the red devil.
Speaker 2: There's a tailor right there. Yeah, big boy, Yeah heard
Speaker 2: you calling?
Speaker 1: Yeah shackered, Yeah, I agree, I'm sorry. Had to introduce you.
Speaker 1: You know how that goes wants a treat. I think
Speaker 1: he's a fatty yes, no, but I I had no
Speaker 1: idea where, you know, where Timmy or Selene was. I
Speaker 1: I knew where I kind of left them, and they
Speaker 1: they usually they never go for you know, they have
Speaker 1: like their own little territory, the own like parts of
Speaker 1: of the of the neighborhoods where they will just hang around.
Speaker 1: And I know those spots. By now I couldn't find
Speaker 1: them note of the usual spots, and especially with with Timmy,
Speaker 1: like that was the most special one. And ties in
Speaker 1: to the pickup truck. Here in the Netherlands, not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of pickup trucks, you know, it's our country
Speaker 1: is just two small. Our roads aren't aren't built for
Speaker 1: that like they are in the in the States. But
Speaker 1: you know, my wife's son, he swore like up and
Speaker 1: down that Timmy was somewhere near a red pickup truck,
Speaker 1: like a red truck. And I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean sure, but like there really aren't any trucks here.
Speaker 1: But proving me wrong because lo and behold, when I
Speaker 1: looked at one of the the parking spaces, like just
Speaker 1: down the road where Timmy was was a red Ford
Speaker 1: raptor nowhere a truck, and he saw Selene near a
Speaker 1: body of water, and one of the shops that I
Speaker 1: went to, and the one that Selene walked with me
Speaker 1: was near a body of water, and she was still there,
Speaker 1: kind of you know, scared and confused, like don't I
Speaker 1: don't see my dad, I don't know where I am.
Speaker 1: So two out of two and even as specific as
Speaker 1: a red truck here in the Netherlands, in the flowerable region,
Speaker 1: even like I don't even live in like a larger city.
Speaker 1: It's in the smaller town. So chances are incredibly slim
Speaker 1: that one actually drives around here. But talk me to
Speaker 1: no doubt him if he says that he's there and
Speaker 1: that I'm going to look for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. And it was just incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was that detail, you know, this sophicity of
Speaker 1: it that I was like, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I would guess he would be psychic because he
Speaker 2: can connect to the energies of the living and the past,
Speaker 2: the present, future. And to me, I'm only a medium,
Speaker 2: which means I can only talk to people and pets
Speaker 2: who passed. So I always say that psychics have a
Speaker 2: different gift. They have a greater gift because they can
Speaker 2: connect to the living and what's happening and what has
Speaker 2: happened and what will happen. And by the way, if
Speaker 2: I cannot communicate with living pets, that is an animal communicator. Okay,
Speaker 2: I also cannot communicate with wild animals because wild animals
Speaker 2: do not know our language, they don't know our habits,
Speaker 2: they don't live with us, so they don't have a
Speaker 2: way to have a way to recognize what we do
Speaker 2: and what we say and how we behave and we
Speaker 2: don't have that with them either. Because people will always
Speaker 2: ask me, can you connect with a lion in a zoo? No,
Speaker 2: I can't know.
Speaker 1: No, that's something else entirely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's been interesting. People also ask me to
Speaker 2: a couple of more things about pets that they ask
Speaker 2: me if their pets always will usually cross over, and
Speaker 2: the answer is yes. I found that ninety nine point
Speaker 2: five percent of all pets will cross over because they
Speaker 2: always know a good thing, you know, they know just
Speaker 2: like they know when we're in a good mood. Well,
Speaker 2: they'll come over to us when they pass, when their
Speaker 2: physical bodies pass and they become energy and that light
Speaker 2: to the other side opens. It's all good. It feels
Speaker 2: good and peaceful and calm, so they'll go to it. Plus,
Speaker 2: our loved ones in spirit are waiting there to welcome them,
Speaker 2: so you don't have any fear about our pets being
Speaker 2: left behind. Only people are really stubborn and goofy enough
Speaker 2: to stay behind. As an earth aut ghost, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah wow. And if you ever have to make the
Speaker 2: decision to help your pet crossover out of pain, they
Speaker 2: want you to know that they understand it, and that
Speaker 2: when they give you signs like they stop interacting with you,
Speaker 2: stop playing with you, when they distance themselves from you, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a sign that they're ready to go. We had
Speaker 2: a dog, a docs named Franklin, who was very interactive,
Speaker 2: very personable with us. And when he was sixteen and
Speaker 2: a half and he had a spinal issue, a disc
Speaker 2: that was slipping which was taking away his mobility, couldn't
Speaker 2: walk on his back legs. He when we took him
Speaker 2: into a room, We carried him into a room with us.
Speaker 2: We knew it was near at the end of his time.
Speaker 2: He found the strength to get up with his front
Speaker 2: legs and drag himself out of the room to another room. Purposely.
Speaker 2: He did not want to be with us because he
Speaker 2: was telling us it was his time. So they will
Speaker 2: show you that and you know, whether it's not eating,
Speaker 2: not eating treats and so forth. And they always thank
Speaker 2: their parents from the other side for having the courage.
Speaker 2: And what that means is that you learn their lesson,
Speaker 2: which is unconditional love. Yes, why they're here. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: don't feel guilty when you have to help your pet
Speaker 2: pass out of pain. They appreciate that you found that
Speaker 2: courage to do that.
Speaker 1: I've had to do that once, only once. Luckily that
Speaker 1: was a a pet rat of mine. Actually, that was
Speaker 1: one of the pets that I had with a an
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend of mine. Rats are very sensitive to the
Speaker 1: cancer growths, big big problem among the rats, especially the
Speaker 1: more I like the tamed ones, and I like that
Speaker 1: was that was my first experience of like losing a
Speaker 1: losing a pet. I never really had pets. It wasn't
Speaker 1: not until I was with that that ex girlfriend that
Speaker 1: we got got pets. And you know, you think like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's a it's a pet rat.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not not the most playful ones. Usually
Speaker 1: they don't grow very old, you know, two three years maybe, Well,
Speaker 1: I think like it's also the the circumstance surrounding it.
Speaker 1: Because that ex girlfriend of mine, she left very well
Speaker 1: shortly before all of that happened. So when I had
Speaker 1: to go to the vats and you know, like ask
Speaker 1: him like, hey, can you can you do something? And
Speaker 1: all the vat could say is like, nah, no, it's
Speaker 1: that's all we can do is you know, have her
Speaker 1: be a piece. So that was really the like the
Speaker 1: end of a whole chapter for me. Like everything that
Speaker 1: I had with that ex girlfriend was you know, like
Speaker 1: Renick caught off at at that pad rat. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was Yeah, that was that was pretty hard.
Speaker 2: It's traumatic really so for people who lose pets that
Speaker 2: they've had for even quite a while, like dogs and cats.
Speaker 2: We raised them like we raise human children really, because
Speaker 2: we teach them language, We teach them routine, take them
Speaker 2: to the doctor, take them to school, teach them things,
Speaker 2: teach them to go to the bathroom, teach them to
Speaker 2: play well with others, and so we raised them the
Speaker 2: same way. And when they pass, it's emotionally devastating to us.
Speaker 2: So it's okay to feel great because I mean when
Speaker 2: my dog Dolly passed, she's a Wimer on her She's
Speaker 2: on the cover of one of my pets in the
Speaker 2: Afterlife three book. I didn't want to talk to anybody
Speaker 2: for two, like two three weeks. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: talk to anybody. And you know, and people say, well,
Speaker 2: you're a pet medium. I said, it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: was in deep grief. You know, don't you're you're still
Speaker 2: You're still a human. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make the emotions any any different. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that, you know they are at peace and
Speaker 1: all of that, but you know, conscious thoughts and emotions
Speaker 1: those are two very different layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, frankly, people would often grieve
Speaker 2: more deeply for their pets than they would for people,
Speaker 2: because pets are our responsibility. They are our responsibility, and
Speaker 2: when they pass, even though we know they have short lives,
Speaker 2: it feels like we fail them. And we should not
Speaker 2: feel that way because they have short lives. I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how many people I have talked to have
Speaker 2: who have said they've actually been suicidal after their pet past,
Speaker 2: which is extremely sad. And if people are feeling that
Speaker 2: much grief, then they need to talk to a grief
Speaker 2: counselor because I'm not a I'm not a grief counselor.
Speaker 2: I'm a pet medium, and they need to know that
Speaker 2: the love of their pet lasts forever, and your pet
Speaker 2: will always give you signs. We mentioned earlier numbers, repeating
Speaker 2: numbers are something that people will what spirits will give.
Speaker 2: Since Dolly passed away on October twenty twenty, I've seen
Speaker 2: repeating numbers every single day, every day, and I know
Speaker 2: they're from her every day, So keep an eye out
Speaker 2: for those. There's all kinds of signs and spirits let
Speaker 2: us know that they're okay, and they're around and they'll
Speaker 2: guide us and that love just connects us forever until
Speaker 2: we get to the other side where they're all waiting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to throw that out all out there.
Speaker 2: I forget.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's beautiful and yeah, in the end we
Speaker 1: will all be reconnected again on the other side of
Speaker 1: the fail. It's just some will be waiting for us
Speaker 1: a little longer than than Uys. Wow, this has been.
Speaker 1: This has been amazing. This has been This has been beautiful. Actually,
Speaker 1: I I never knew that there was there was so
Speaker 1: much to it. I've spoken to mediums before, of course,
Speaker 1: but never a pet medium and yeah, you know me
Speaker 1: being a cat dad, I mean to me, of course
Speaker 1: had to make himself known. He always does that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't. I don't think I've ever met
Speaker 2: another medium who's a scientist, because that's helped a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, Yeah, because often you'll find people that
Speaker 1: they that say that like science and beliefs or gifts
Speaker 1: like mediumship are diametrically a medically posed to each other.
Speaker 1: Like it's either science, which you know, is all about
Speaker 1: the physical and understanding the physical and understanding how the
Speaker 1: world works and all things of the world in the world,
Speaker 1: and then there is the spiritual the other side, on
Speaker 1: the side of the veil, the passing over what you know,
Speaker 1: what stays behind, what goes on. So I think it's
Speaker 1: it's awesome that like through science you actually understand it
Speaker 1: it all better and the way you have explain it
Speaker 1: all it makes a whole lot of sense actually, both
Speaker 1: spiritually and scientifically. And I definitely feel like we shouldn't
Speaker 1: keep those two apart there. They are complementary to each other,
Speaker 1: as you have proven in this almost hour and a
Speaker 1: half now.
Speaker 2: I think, But yeah, I think so. I so my
Speaker 2: my goal is to explain the paranormal with science and
Speaker 2: make it normal so that everybody understands it.
Speaker 1: From paranormal to normal. Okay, there's a title in that
Speaker 1: I'll have to have to ponder on it. It would
Speaker 1: be fun to to speak with your wife too, with
Speaker 1: her experiences some of the time. Yeah, no, I just
Speaker 1: that bad timing, chores and and all of that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she she has stories to tell and she always loves it,
Speaker 1: loves it when when another medium is on, and those
Speaker 1: are those are easy shows for me too because I
Speaker 1: can just you know, sit back and be more more
Speaker 1: kind of like the producer and and and everything just
Speaker 1: you know, like throw throw up the ball every now
Speaker 1: and then, and I know that you know, she takes
Speaker 1: it and runs with it. So those are easy shows
Speaker 1: for me and just and a lot of fun for her.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will. And I'm sure when I when
Speaker 1: I show her this, when I tell her all of this,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's already kind of bummed out that she
Speaker 1: had to had to miss it. So all of the
Speaker 1: more reason to do this again sometime with my wife
Speaker 1: actually present.
Speaker 2: That'd be wonderful. Well, thank you so much. I mean
Speaker 2: this has been such a pleasure to talk with you
Speaker 2: and can across the Atlantic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's been great. I've learned a lot actually
Speaker 1: in a lot of puzzle pieces fell into place, and
Speaker 1: a lot more to ponderon as well. And thank you
Speaker 1: makes me appreciate my cats even more as well. Awesome,
Speaker 1: even though they are hate the as sometimes but it's
Speaker 1: all love.
Speaker 2: It's all love. Love. Love is not always easy. It
Speaker 2: can be painful too, yes, yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where where can where can the good people find
Speaker 1: your books? Find your work? How can they? How can
Speaker 1: they contact you as a medium?
Speaker 2: So all my all my books are available on Amazon,
Speaker 2: Amazon EU, Amazon dot Com, Amazon Canada, whatever Amazon platform
Speaker 2: you're on, they should be there. Myrip website is Rob
Speaker 2: Gutro dot com. It's my last name, or if you
Speaker 2: can't spell my last name, just think put in pet
Speaker 2: spirits dot com goes to the same Okay, yeah, mix
Speaker 2: it easier and I'm all over social media, so you
Speaker 2: can just find me anywhere. And again, this has been
Speaker 2: such a pleasure and I'm looking forward to to chatting
Speaker 2: with you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for coming on thank you for this wonderful conversation. It's
Speaker 1: a good way to end the weekends. It being Sunday
Speaker 1: and all, it's also a very good day to talk
Speaker 1: about things like like this. I will, of course make
Speaker 1: sure that the links to your website and your books
Speaker 1: are in the description box down below. First time having
Speaker 1: a pet medium on the show. I never even knew
Speaker 1: it was a thing, but a the more you know,
Speaker 1: the more you learn. So yeah, thank you everyone for watching.
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