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<v Speaker 2>Char char.

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<v Speaker 1>You can come home now, you said, I'm Chary.

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<v Speaker 3>You gave your life come home?

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<v Speaker 2>What about Anne?

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<v Speaker 3>Marie? Oh Charlie, it's me.

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<v Speaker 2>How you feeling, kid?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I come to say goodbye? Where are you going? Sound

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<v Speaker 2>a little trip? That was the squeaker. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to do something for me, all right. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to take care of it. You, you know, just while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling. You got a home now and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anybody. Don't worry, Charlie. I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Well goodbye, no buddy, Oh Charlie, I'll miss you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll miss you too, Squeaker.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you go to sleep, Charlie. Will I ever see

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<v Speaker 2>you again?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? You wonk.

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye is on forever?

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<v Speaker 2>Then? Goodbye, Charlie. I love you. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are back again on the Gray Horns Pagans Podcast. Welcome, Welcome, everyone, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness, is there anything else? I was actually all

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<v Speaker 2>set half an hour before the show, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>everything hooked up and everything was fine, and then and

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<v Speaker 2>then it wasn't lo and behold, yeah, then it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was. I was listening to some of your

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<v Speaker 2>previous podcasts too before, so oh, well, thank you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a good, good feel for your show and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. And you've had some very interesting guests.

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<v Speaker 1>On Yes, yes I have. I've done I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for I want to say, like four years now,

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<v Speaker 1>four years on the podcast, and I have had the

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<v Speaker 1>fortune to meet some interesting people, some a little more

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<v Speaker 1>quirky than others, but yeah, all very interesting nonetheless. And

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, you know, being well another one of those

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<v Speaker 1>interesting guests. And for those who may not be familiar

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with you and what you do, just yes, introduce yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do, what are you about?

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<v Speaker 1>And what's up with your background? All the animals?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, well these are the background is actually the covers

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<v Speaker 2>of my book. So I have twelve books. I just

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<v Speaker 2>published my twelve book. So I'm a medium. It called

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<v Speaker 2>myself a pet medium because I like to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>pets more than people. But I do deal with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also an author of twelve books and they're all

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<v Speaker 2>true paranormal and they're sharing my experiences. So in my

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<v Speaker 2>daytime job, I'm a meteorologist some scientists, so I use

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<v Speaker 2>science to explain how the paranormal works. I also made

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<v Speaker 2>the distinction between earth bound entities which I call ghosts,

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<v Speaker 2>and those who have crossed over, which I call spirits,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I explained how they work in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that is very very diverse, very versatile. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's awesome. And I absolutely agree with you that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if that you like to deal with pets more than

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<v Speaker 1>with people, I do. I do agree, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>least animals are are honest. I have two cats myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they'll make it very much known when

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<v Speaker 1>they like or dislike something. So a pet medium that

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<v Speaker 1>is a I mean I am familiar with mediums. My

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<v Speaker 1>wife is a medium herself, but a pet medium. How

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<v Speaker 1>did you? How did you get to that? Why pets?

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<v Speaker 2>So my first experience goes all the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a teenager. I was I was thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old and totally unknowing about disability until my late

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<v Speaker 2>grandfather appeared to me and he scared me in full

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<v Speaker 2>color when nobody else was home. So right then I

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<v Speaker 2>knew something was weird. And I had a really good

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with my mom and dad. With my parents and

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<v Speaker 2>I told them, and my mother said, we have to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she had that ability, she was free to use.

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<v Speaker 2>It turned out her father, the grandfather that appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>me also had the ability. So it runs on my

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<v Speaker 2>mother's side of the family, and I said, okay. I

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<v Speaker 2>shelved that for a long time. Then it came around

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<v Speaker 2>to two thousand and five when I had a puppy,

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<v Speaker 2>and the puppy the dog that's directly above my head here.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Buzz. He is a wine runner. He

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<v Speaker 2>was given to me as a birthday gift in October

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, and in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was walking in his leash opened, ran across

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<v Speaker 2>the street, was killed by a car at seven months old,

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<v Speaker 2>and he reawakened my abilities. He sent me musical signs,

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<v Speaker 2>he sent me physical signs, he sent me audible signs,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things which I wrote down and then

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<v Speaker 2>eventually that became basis of my first book.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow that is that's so sad. That's seven months old thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. So as a medium, I've learned that

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<v Speaker 2>some animals or people are only air a short time

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<v Speaker 2>because they have a certain mission in life. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Buzz's mission to teach me how pets communicate from the afterlife,

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<v Speaker 2>so that I could in turn teach other people what

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<v Speaker 2>signs to look for and bring them healing when they

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<v Speaker 2>lose a pet, whether tragically or out of old age.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I've I have heard similar stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of mediums will or the more spiritually gifted

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<v Speaker 1>people will will say that. So I guess Oviia's next question,

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<v Speaker 1>how do pets communicate with us? Because I know my

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<v Speaker 1>cats they just you know, they they meow at me,

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<v Speaker 1>they complain whenever I'm you know, not doing something or

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<v Speaker 1>not getting something that that they want like it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they like still speak to you in their animal language

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<v Speaker 1>so to so to speak? Or how does that? How

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<v Speaker 1>does that work? How does that go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question. There's a number of ways

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<v Speaker 2>that pets will communicate from the other side to their patents.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have a cat that passed, your cat

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<v Speaker 2>who passed would do similar things to what they did

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<v Speaker 2>when they were alive. So, for instance, if they like

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep at the top of your head on your

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<v Speaker 2>pillow at night, on occasion when your cat visits in spirit,

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<v Speaker 2>you may feel like someone or a cat or something

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<v Speaker 2>is brushing your hair on your pillow. You may feel

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<v Speaker 2>them walk across the bed the end of the bed

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no one there. You may hear them, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>from what sounds like another room or something very faint,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe even outside. And that's because it takes a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of energy for a pet to communicate and make

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<v Speaker 2>an audible noise. There's tactile signs. They can touch you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you may feel cold, which I can explain scientifically

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<v Speaker 2>because meteorologists. You may feel a slight pressure, you might

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<v Speaker 2>feel a tingling like especially when you're laying in bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Pets that past have this affinity for coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>the bed when we're sleeping or trying to sleep and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to cuddle up with us to let us know.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's just a few ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so more the nonverbal. Yeah, that makes sense. It

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<v Speaker 1>would take a lot to actually make make a physical

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<v Speaker 1>silence if you don't have a physical body anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it requires a lot of energy. So one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I've learned staying is that when we pass away,

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<v Speaker 2>when our physical bodies die, we have energy that is

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<v Speaker 2>within us. If you think of cells splitting and thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>as little electrical impulses, that energy has to go somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>because of a law we have in thermodynamics called the

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<v Speaker 2>law of conservation of energy. Says that energy can't be destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>only transformed. So I've learned that it couples with our memories,

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<v Speaker 2>our knowledge of this life, and our personality, and we

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<v Speaker 2>choose right then to stay earthbound as what I call

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<v Speaker 2>a ghost, which is a very bad idea, or be

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<v Speaker 2>crossover into the light, Heaven, Valhalla, Paradise, whatever what I

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<v Speaker 2>call a spirit. Ghosts are stuck where they decide to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>They cannot communicate with anybody unless a medium walks in

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody sensitive. They also can't leave the place that

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<v Speaker 2>they decided to haunt for some reason. Spirits who've crossed over,

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<v Speaker 2>like our grandparents, great grandparents, whatever, They can come to

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<v Speaker 2>us anywhere, anytime, any place in the world. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>had signs from my parents who have both passed when

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<v Speaker 2>we were on vacation in Italy, and my dog Buzz,

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<v Speaker 2>who passed when we were on vacation in Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 2>They will do things like lead you to someone that

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<v Speaker 2>looks like them. They will bring you to a sign

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<v Speaker 2>with their name on it, as my mother did. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Germany and I was talking about my

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<v Speaker 2>Italian mother to my husband and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel my parents are with us on this trip.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, well, did she give you a sign?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, no, but I'm keeping my eyes out.

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<v Speaker 2>We were on a bus and we were going from

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<v Speaker 2>a ship cruise ship into a town. We drove by

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<v Speaker 2>a supermarket and it was named the supermarket was called Norma.

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<v Speaker 2>Norma was my mother's first name. What are the chances

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing an Italian woman's name on a store in Germany?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say those chances are pretty slim. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a hell of a coincidence. If that's just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's just that, yeah, you, No, chances

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<v Speaker 1>are very very slim. So I would say that is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely your mother pointing you towards something or guiding you

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<v Speaker 1>towards something or someone herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to yeah, just to let us know that she's

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the vacation with us, and yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>the main rule that I've learned from spirit is that

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<v Speaker 2>there's no such thing as a coincidence when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to signs from people or pets. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>they make it happen. They make us be at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time, at the right place, at the right moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And another example of that is when people look up

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<v Speaker 2>and see rainbows. I just received an email from a

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman that lost his dogs and he said that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a sunny day with just a few clouds around,

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<v Speaker 2>and right after his dog passed, there was a rainbow

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<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't explain it, but he thought, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a sign for my dog, that that she's okay. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>She literally crossed the rainbow bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's beautiful, actually it is. And what's interesting too,

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<v Speaker 2>as a meteorologist rainbows. First of all, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the right you have to be looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it at the right angle. Secondly, rainbows don't last very long.

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<v Speaker 1>I ever, I never would have thought of that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we are all connected to each other in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some way, and I've I've heard my wife say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know all like it's a it's a sign from

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<v Speaker 1>this one or sign from from that one. Most oftentimes

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<v Speaker 1>through my wife, I know that he is, he is

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<v Speaker 1>was like that's is that my brother sitting there? And

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<v Speaker 1>know that that can't be because he's not here with

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<v Speaker 1>you know I may be gone physically, I'm still here,

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<v Speaker 1>still thinking of all of you, still you know, still

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<v Speaker 1>love all of you. So yeah, I definitely had those

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, they will, well, they will influence us to

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<v Speaker 2>do things like uh. And I'll give you another example.

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<v Speaker 2>went in two thousand and five. In two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>So my husband said, which way do you want to go?

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<v Speaker 2>So I did, and I thought, I feel like we

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<v Speaker 2>and we did. We get to the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>street and there was a dog walk. The dog walker

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<v Speaker 2>had quite a few dogs and one of them was

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<v Speaker 2>a Wymeruner that looked just like my dog, Buzz. And

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<v Speaker 2>we walked over to that dog walker and I heard

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<v Speaker 2>Buzz in my head say, Dad, do you know what

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<v Speaker 2>today is. And I think for a minute, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was the anniversary of his passing. It was February twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, five years four years after he passed. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So another thing I've learned is that spirits will give

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<v Speaker 2>us messages around birthdays, anniversaries, and holidays. Anniversaries in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of pets would be anniversary of adoption or anniversary of passing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 1>because those are important days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the reason that a pet would acknowledge those

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<v Speaker 2>things are those are the days that our emotional energy

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<v Speaker 2>is usually higher. Yeah. And as you know as a

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<v Speaker 2>cat dad, they they can read your emotional energy, so

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<v Speaker 2>they know when you're sick, they know when you're happy,

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<v Speaker 2>they know when you're mad at them, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>they'll come to you when you're in a good way

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<v Speaker 2>or even if you're sick and you need help. And conversely,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not in a good way, they will go

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, that is that is absolutely true. If I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, think of my well, my oldest cat, Timmy

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<v Speaker 1>a k A big red he's a he's a big sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he will he will do that whenever I'm

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<v Speaker 1>feeling whenever I'm feeling like a little little down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll come, come snuggle up to me. And especially at

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<v Speaker 1>night indeed, and when I go to bed, he likes

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<v Speaker 1>to lay on top of me or lay at the

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<v Speaker 2>And then so when he's not around anymore, he will

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that in.

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit, I sure hope. So, I mean he is, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere for a while. I mean he is

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<v Speaker 1>getting he is getting older. He is like ten years

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<v Speaker 1>old already, so he is turning into quite the grumpy

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<v Speaker 1>old man. I have to say, well, yeah, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's awesome. And I remember a I was with an

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<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend of mine. Actually she hadn't seen her dogs

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<v Speaker 1>in years because they stayed with her mother, and she

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<v Speaker 1>well basically had to escape that household because it was

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't it wasn't healthy, it wasn't emotionally talk sealthy, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very very much. And she I believe it was also

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<v Speaker 1>like when we came back from like a week and

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<v Speaker 1>away to to Antwerp. I believe it was like we

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<v Speaker 1>came home, we stayed at my my parents' place for

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<v Speaker 1>the night and then you know, went back to our place,

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<v Speaker 1>and she got the message that one of her dogs passed,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of her favorites. And I believe the way

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<v Speaker 1>that he passed was that he hit his his head.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe quite hard. Unfortunately, and this is just from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know if that was actually the case.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't well versed in it back then, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was that same evening we heard a big bottle upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>like some thing or someone actually like ran into into

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<v Speaker 1>the bedpost or into into the door, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of confused, not knowing, not realizing where where they're going. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>with just like just hearing the news of her her

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<v Speaker 1>dog passing, she was like, wow, he's here. Actually. She

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<v Speaker 1>would also like always tell me stories about that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if if one of her dogs had passed that at night,

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<v Speaker 1>he would still indeed like come lay at the at

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<v Speaker 1>the foot of the bed with her. You know, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>feel she'd feel the pressure on the on the blankets.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know there was no well no physical dog,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say too to be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's very common. One of the things I

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<v Speaker 2>like coolness around, So as a meteorologist, I had to

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<v Speaker 2>think about how that would be possible. And what I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned is because ghosts and spirits are energy, they need energy,

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<v Speaker 2>so they will draw energy from the motion of air molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>Because air molecules are always moving in a house outside,

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<v Speaker 2>fast moving molecules of air warm air. Slower moving molecules

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<v Speaker 2>are colder air. So when they take the energy from

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<v Speaker 2>the motion of molecules, they slow them down and they

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<v Speaker 2>create cold spot where they are manifesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually makes a lot of sense. I never Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought about it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a whole bunch of energy related Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was about ghosts and spirits.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense, like taking

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<v Speaker 1>the environmental energy creating a colt spot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've learned a lot about the different types of

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<v Speaker 2>energy that both earthbound ghosts require and spirits have crushed over.

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<v Speaker 2>They both draw on physical energies, and that's the similarity

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<v Speaker 2>between the two entities. They both draw on heat, light, water,

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<v Speaker 2>and electricity. Those things will fuel either one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why a lot of haunted locations are near bodies

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<v Speaker 2>of water.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially if it's like running water, like a

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<v Speaker 1>jet or a brook even, yes, where there's or energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now i live in Maine in the US, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're right off the Atlantic Ocean, so or right on

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic Ocean, so we have a lot of water energy.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of wave energy, and almost every single

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<v Speaker 2>town up and down the entire coast is haunted, with

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<v Speaker 2>different coasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, so those are physical energies that empower ghosts

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<v Speaker 2>and spirits. There's a difference between the two entities. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've come to realize this that emotions are also energy

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about it. So ghosts draw on negative

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<v Speaker 2>emotional energy, which are fear, anxiety, depression, and anger. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are negative emotions and ghosts feed off of that because

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<v Speaker 2>they're tied to Earth, they are negative emotional energy. So

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<v Speaker 2>those negative emotions empower them. So for instance, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go into a place that's haunted and you are feeling anxious,

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<v Speaker 2>you're empowering the ghost to get strong enough to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Spirits, on the other hand, love, faith, and

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<v Speaker 2>hope are the things that give them the energy to

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<v Speaker 2>communicate with you. So that's why they can communicate with

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<v Speaker 2>you anytime anywhere in the world because the love that

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<v Speaker 1>So h then that like also would fit with I

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<v Speaker 1>do like the most Hunter shows, like every now and then,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's a bit of a guilty pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's it's very very heavily disputed all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know it's a it's it's fun every now

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<v Speaker 1>and then. And what you'll you'll hear a lot is

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<v Speaker 1>that if they they walk into a room, if they

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<v Speaker 1>walk into an open space, it's like there's a very

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<v Speaker 1>heavy energy here. And if it's indeed a ghost, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that they are looking for, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the name, Yeah, it would make sense that if it

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<v Speaker 1>is a negative energy, that it would be a very

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<v Speaker 1>very heavy energy. Especially you know, they always like to

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<v Speaker 1>go to places like the the old castles or abandoned hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned salts or prisons, you know, where a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things happened, you know, both both good

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<v Speaker 1>and bad. Often you know, more more bad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah. So I'm I've also thought about why I

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<v Speaker 2>communicate with a number of earth Bouk ghosts because they

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<v Speaker 2>go I've been on paranormal investigations for fifteen years and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out why they're there and then help

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<v Speaker 2>them cross over. So I've learned a couple of things

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<v Speaker 2>about that too, which we're really eye opening. When we die,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a quick review of our life. For I

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<v Speaker 2>have found that people who are very devout into their religions,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever religion they are are, usually magnify their infractions to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where they don't think they're worthy of crossing over,

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<v Speaker 2>or if they crossover, they think they're going to a

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<v Speaker 2>bad place. Now, every spirit I've talked to said that

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't a bad place, it's just love and peace

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side, and that being stock earthbound as

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<v Speaker 2>a ghost with no one to speak to for eternity

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a hellish place.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like being everly hell on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell on Earth, right, yeah, exactly. I mean, think about

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<v Speaker 2>or nobody can communicate with the ghost that's in there,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't find it what they want or to or

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<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to help them because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know their story. Ghosts who choose to stay earthbound are

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00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.839
<v Speaker 2>trapped without a way to communicate and they also can't

421
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>communicate with the spirits of their loved ones who have

422
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>crossed over.

423
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh there is even a barrier or a veil between

424
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>those two.

425
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you think of spirits as positive energy and

426
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>you think of ghosts as negative energy, it works the

427
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>same way as a magnet that they repel each other. Yeah,

428
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 2>they can't connect. Okay, So another little science inference there.

429
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 2>And you said that some will will choose to stay here.

430
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 2>But if it is, you know that bad, If it

431
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 2>is quite literally hell on earth and you're not able

432
00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 2>to communicate with anything or any one, which I imagine

433
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>gets incredibly lonely, even as a ghostly form, why would

434
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>you choose that? Well, they choose it out of fear.

435
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>For the most part. That's why prisons are haunted. Prisons

436
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>are loaded with ghosts because when they die, they have

437
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.799
<v Speaker 2>this awakening that they they're in prison because they did

438
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>something terrible. So their fear crossing over and going to

439
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.079
<v Speaker 2>hell again. No spirit that I've ever talked to has

440
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 2>ever said there is a such thing as hell. So,

441
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I think that I think that hell

442
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 2>was created to make people fall in line with whatever

443
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody wanted them to fall in line with.

444
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I agree.

445
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, fear is a fear is a way

446
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that you can get people to do what you want

447
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>them to do.

448
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 1>It can be a powerful motivator.

449
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sadly, yeah, sadly, we know. But that's why they

450
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.039
<v Speaker 2>don't cross over it, you know. Even so, hospitals also

451
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 2>not that they've not that they've done anything wrong, but

452
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 2>hospitals are also rife with ghosts because when people wake

453
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 2>up in a hospital, when people die in the hospital

454
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and they awaken as energy with their memories, they can

455
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>be confused that they died in a hospital. They're not home.

456
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Where are they? And what I've learned is that because

457
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 2>these entities of energy are like a battery, over time

458
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 2>that charge drops, that charge drops to a point where

459
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they don't have enough energy to open the door to

460
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>the other side. And that's why as paranormal investigators, we

461
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.359
<v Speaker 2>have to go in and we have to combine emotional

462
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>energies of four or five people to get strong enough

463
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to open the doorway for that ghost to cross old.

464
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's all about energy.

465
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, okay, oh, that's actually making a a whole

466
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of setus Like a lot of things are clicking

467
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 1>or a lot of puzzle pieces are coming.

468
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Together now makes yeah, excellent, Well I have you know,

469
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for about fifteen years, and the

470
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>scientist part of me says, Okay, there has to be

471
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>a reason why these things are the way they are.

472
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Why can't And it was only until it wasn't only

473
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>until last summer that I had the thought that the

474
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>entities of energy are just like a battery and they

475
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>linger so long that charge is going to drain away

476
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's up to someone to help give them enough

477
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>energy to cross over. But that I've done a number

478
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>of crossings over too. Have you ever done any crossings over?

479
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>No? No, I haven't. I know my wife has helped.

480
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 1>She has helped with her, with her grandfather, with her granddaddy.

481
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 1>He was in in the last part of his life.

482
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>He was.

483
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 1>He was very sick. He was in was in a

484
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of pain, and my wife, not fully aware of

485
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.279
<v Speaker 1>what she was, was capable. Yet she did help him

486
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.319
<v Speaker 1>cross over, and she helped one of her one of

487
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 1>her pets, actually, she helped her crossover as well. Parts

488
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>medium parts of reiki as well, you know, taking the

489
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>taking the pain away so that they can peacefully cross over,

490
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and she has, she has had very mixed feelings about

491
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that for a for a very very long time.

492
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:37.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it.

493
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Of course, on one hand, it's beautiful that she that

494
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 1>she was able to help to you know, at least

495
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 1>take the pain away or alleviate the pain so that

496
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 1>they were comfortable with crossing over. But at the same time,

497
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 1>there is that you very human part of her that

498
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, like fear is the worst, Like what if

499
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do that, would they still you know, be here?

500
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you like, did I do something something wrong? She's

501
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.599
<v Speaker 1>been very very anxious about that for a for a

502
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 1>long time.

503
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>There's no need to be anxious about it. It's actually

504
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 2>the greatest gift you can give to anybody to help

505
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 2>them crossover. And it takes a lot of our energy too, physical, mental,

506
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>and emotional energy. And I find that too when I

507
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>do when I connect to a ghost, an earthbound ghost,

508
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 2>or when I do a reading for a PET. I

509
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>do PET readings on the weekends, and it takes a

510
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of energy out of me, and usually after two

511
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 2>of them, I'm totally physically exhausted.

512
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I recognize that with my wife as well. Sometimes

513
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>especially my brother will come through, and she will just

514
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>be absolutely exhausted afterwards. And it's it's not even a

515
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like very very long, she won't chattel him

516
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>very very long, or but it's it's a lot. I

517
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 1>recognize that. Yeah, And with ghosts energies functioning as a

518
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>batter on a charge, as you said, I wonder that

519
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>what happens if the charge runs out? What happens if

520
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 1>nobody is able to help them?

521
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 2>That's a very good question. So I have thought about

522
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that too. And when there's not enough energy, the energy

523
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>will just linger. Just like having a light bulb on

524
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.119
<v Speaker 2>a dimmer switch, if you turn the dimmer switch all

525
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the way down, you can only see basically the outline

526
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>of the light bulb at the very lowest power. When

527
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>you turn when you add energy, you turn up the

528
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>dimmer switch, you can see the filaments, so you can

529
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>see the whole light bulb, you can see the whole room.

530
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.079
<v Speaker 2>So what I've come to understand is that ghosts are

531
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 2>basically have this minimum energy level and they just linger

532
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>there until energy comes to them, and that that gives

533
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 2>them enough strength to do something. Perhaps There's also the

534
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>other thing too, is that I've also realize that there's

535
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 2>no such thing as time for ghosts and spirits. Time

536
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>is a physical thing. Time is a physical thing in

537
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>the world, like three hundred and sixty five days or

538
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>one year here. One year on Saturn is twenty nine

539
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.839
<v Speaker 2>earth years. So it depends on where you are as

540
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a spirit or a ghost. You're not really in the

541
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>same dimensional. You know, you're not in the physical dimension.

542
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So but that doesn't that doesn't mean that ghosts don't

543
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>know that time has passed, because they can see the

544
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>way people dress, they can see things change within the

545
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 2>structure from which they live, so they'll know that way

546
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that time's passing.

547
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean, I yeah. I like to ponder on

548
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 1>the ideas of like the higher realms, and I've heard

549
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it said many times, and I definitely do believe that

550
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's that is the case. If we're like talking like

551
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>high or lower dimensions. I'm not sure how that works

552
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 1>with the with the spirit that's like just a dimension

553
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>next to ours perhaps, But if you look at like

554
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>from the fourth dimension down today the third dimension, how

555
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I have heard it described a lot, which makes a

556
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of sense for me, is like one of those

557
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>old school film reels like if you look down on

558
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>the film reel, like you can see the whole timeline

559
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>at once basically, but it's when you're part of the film,

560
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 1>part of the third dimension, you can see that. And

561
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.119
<v Speaker 1>but you know that would be like the second dimension

562
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 1>for us, you know, just flat. Yeah, so I guess

563
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>how how does that work in the spirit world?

564
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 2>You said?

565
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, see they can see time passing in you know,

566
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 1>like people change, clothes change, building cities change. So does

567
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>that mean that they are still in a like a

568
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>dimension within our physical dimension or next to us. I'm

569
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>always I'm very curious about That's one of the things

570
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 1>that always still still bugs me.

571
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't. I haven't really explored the dimensional aspect

572
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>of it, to be honest with you. All I know

573
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>is that they they because they choose to stay earth bound,

574
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 2>they share that space with us until they cross over,

575
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 2>until they become a spirit. So so ghosts are kind

576
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>of a an anomaly. I mean, they're in kind of

577
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a different dimension. But then then again, hmm, they can contact.

578
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 2>They can make contact with us physically, so so they

579
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 2>are here. They just it's just not that they're not

580
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>physically here, it's just energy with a conscious I know,

581
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's kind of weird. It's hard to really

582
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>conceive that, you know. And people ask me too that

583
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>when people cross over in spirit, what's it like on

584
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 2>the other side. Do people have jobs to people in houses? No? No,

585
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>they don't. Their energy, I would hope not. No, absolutely no.

586
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that's crossing over, but still haven't got to go

587
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>to work nine to five.

588
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what about those people who die in their workplace?

589
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be horrible? I mean, and then they haunt

590
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>their workplace? Talk about a bad place to haunt when you're.

591
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it depends on how much you

592
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>liked or disliked your colleagues.

593
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but your colleagues aren't going to be around long enough.

594
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's ghosts, They're going to be gone, that's true.

595
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Darn Yeah.

596
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely, I definitely not haunt the place in

597
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>which I worked. No, that's a good idea.

598
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, even if time, as we know it is

599
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>not really a thing there, that would still be just

600
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a waste of time or a waste of energy. I

601
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 1>guess then in that case, absolutely, you can do You

602
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>can do so much, so much better, so much more yeah,

603
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 1>just cross over where you can go anywhere you want.

604
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to stay work for the rest of

605
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>your eternity. Oh well thanks, that's cool. So you mentioned

606
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 1>there is no from what you have heard with the

607
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>spirits that you have communicated with, there is no such

608
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.199
<v Speaker 1>thing as hell good thing. I you know, I agree

609
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>with that. I've done plenty of research into that. Then

610
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>what is there in the the afterlife, if you will?

611
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it something that we create for ourselves? Like you

612
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 1>you said that like religion or their beliefs also play

613
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:38.039
<v Speaker 1>a large role. So you know, I am Germanic pagan,

614
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Germanic ethen, I follow the old gods of Europe. We

615
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:46.119
<v Speaker 1>have realms where you go to also depending on how

616
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you die. Sure, So would it be the case if

617
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I just like believe hard enough in that, if that's

618
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, truly part of my my core, my essence,

619
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>that I manifest that in a way after my passing.

620
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Or is there like some general realm?

621
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, from what I understand, there's it's really a general realm.

622
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>But there are different levels of the afterlife. I mean,

623
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.559
<v Speaker 2>I've been told there were three. I think in the

624
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Japanese culture there are seven. It all differs. And you know, honestly,

625
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 2>we won't know until we get there.

626
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's true.

627
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it's true. All I do know is

628
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that so I learned that there are three levels because

629
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 2>from our personal experience when my aunt passed away, my

630
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>mother's sister back in the early nights, my mother and

631
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 2>my aunt had a love hate relationship, always had a

632
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 2>love hate relationship because my aunt used to frankly, my

633
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 2>aunt would steal my mother's clothes when my mother was

634
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.239
<v Speaker 2>single and never give them back, and she would do

635
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.639
<v Speaker 2>all the you know, other things and so forth. And

636
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 2>my mother's side of the family is Italian, and I

637
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>always told my mother, I said, I know Italians invented

638
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the word vendetta, but you have to let it go.

639
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I have to let it go. Yeah, okay, but they

640
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.880
<v Speaker 2>you know they did they didn't because that was part

641
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of their upbringing. They would hold onto things. So when

642
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.079
<v Speaker 2>my aunt passed away, she wanted forgiveness from my mother.

643
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 2>And I know this is awful to say, but my

644
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>mother said, now for all of the transgressions that she

645
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>endured over decades and decades from my aunt. So me

646
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 2>having this quirky little gift and This was before it

647
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>really exploded. This was my only interim experience. Really. My

648
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>aunt appeared to me and begged me for forgiveness from

649
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 2>my mother so that she could go up to the

650
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>next level in the afterlife. My aunt appeared as a

651
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>shadow figure in my bedroom twenty almost twenty years or

652
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years after she passed, and she scared the hell

653
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 2>out of me.

654
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't imagine.

655
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and she said, I need I need normous

656
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.159
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness so that I and go to the next level

657
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>where I can be a piece more because I can't

658
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>forgive myself for the things that I've done. Well, Stane,

659
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>it it took me. It took me five years, No, twenty,

660
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>not five years. I'm sorry. It took me over twenty

661
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 2>years to get my mother's forgiveness. And because my aunt

662
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.480
<v Speaker 2>kept coming to me, and I told, I said that

663
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Italians have ended the word vendetta. So finally my aunt

664
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 2>kept coming back to me, and I finally still my mother, Look,

665
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>she's been gone a long time. She needs she needs

666
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 2>to have that piece. And my mother finally said, Okay,

667
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.320
<v Speaker 2>if it's going to bring her peace, I forgive her.

668
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>So with that after she heard that, after she said that.

669
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I got in the car and I turned on my

670
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 2>radio my CD player at the time, and the song

671
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that was cued up was this happens to be a

672
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>song that reminded me my aunt. I had no idea

673
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that it was next on the CD player, and I thought,

674
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I just stopped for a minute. I said, okay, I said,

675
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>if you are okay and you have achieved the next

676
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 2>level on the Afterlife, please let me know. The CD

677
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>skipped three times, and I thought, okay, this CD is

678
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 2>never skipped. So I said, okay, give me another sign,

679
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>or give me that. Give me give me another sign

680
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that that just wasn't a coir. That

681
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 2>CD skipped again about three times, and it never and

682
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 2>then it played through. So that was my aunt's way

683
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 2>of confirming that she was okay. And I will tell

684
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you that every time I played that CD afterward, it

685
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 2>never skipped.

686
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh wow, So it's not it's not the CD,

687
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 1>it's not the CD player because it would have wow.

688
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, that's for all the nay sayers that

689
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 1>are pretty you know, that are still out there that

690
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>debunks that. You know, if it's just ones and never again,

691
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that's that's not a coincidence, and especially if you you know,

692
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>if you asked for it, it's like you know once, yeah, okay,

693
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's still technology. You know, we saw at

694
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the at the beginning of the Yes recording how technology

695
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>can work against us. So you know, okay that that

696
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 1>might happen, but if you ask it for it a

697
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 1>second time, the same thing happens. Yeah, I mean that's yeah,

698
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a sign. That's absolutely a sign.

699
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>So three levels, okay, yeah, So that's that's why I learned.

700
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I learned from my own but you know, there could

701
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 2>be more. I don't know, but this is just my

702
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>personal experience. And on a related note, Spirits also use

703
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>music to send us signs. So if you get in

704
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>your car, your vehicle, and you turn on the radio

705
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>and a song comes on that reminds you of somebody

706
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 2>that passed away, whether it's be person or pet, that

707
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>means that spirit influenced you to get in your vehicle

708
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>at that time and turn on the radio at that

709
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>very moment, so you would hear that song to know

710
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that they're with you. Has that happened to.

711
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>You, not as a sign, But I am a big

712
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>lover of music for sure, and there are definitely songs

713
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and certain songs that I associate with with the people

714
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I love.

715
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>What about your brother? Has your brother? Is there a

716
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>song that reminds you of your brother that you've heard now?

717
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And then, well, our music tastes differ a whole lot. Actually,

718
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he was I'm quite the quite the metal heads, you know,

719
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the heavier the better, you know, gimme Graul's gruns and

720
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 1>all that. He always thought that was just noise and like,

721
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>can I just turn it down for once? He was

722
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>more the the indie pop, indie rock singer songwriter type

723
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, so no no music really what I I mean?

724
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I have done something the other way around some He

725
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant writer, run scriptwriter, one of the best at

726
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the the Film Academy in Amsterdam has has seen in

727
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>a long long time. His final project actually got got

728
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>picked up and turned into a series at least, you know,

729
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 1>a series on YouTube. Watched the full thing of course,

730
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:50.039
<v Speaker 1>it's it's absolutely amazing. And I have written a book

731
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>myself too, probably not as good as your your books,

732
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 1>and only one instead of twelve, and I like kind

733
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 1>of based on my own story but set in a

734
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>semi fictionalized setting, and I have named one of the

735
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>cats of the main character. I named it after the

736
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 1>main character of my brother's movie as to to honor

737
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 1>him as well. I added like one more letter so

738
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 1>to to make it a different name, but still as

739
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 1>a as a tribute to my my brother because also

740
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 1>like at the time when they were when they were

741
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>shooting his his movie, I worked as a freelance cook

742
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>at the time and he asked me to do catering

743
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 1>for them. My name or the name that I went

744
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>by professionally at that time is actually in the end

745
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 1>credits as the caterer and what he has also done.

746
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It's in in one episode he named a character after me.

747
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Wow I at the time, I was a vernancec guy.

748
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I went by chef Stein and he named a character,

749
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a side character he named the chef Stein and that

750
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 1>character was a wheed farmer, of course, which I thought

751
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 1>was very funny. It was an idea of a friend

752
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of his from school who also worked on the movie.

753
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 1>And I am still very honored that he did that,

754
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and I love the fact even more that it was

755
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 1>my brother himself who played the character. He had no

756
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 1>lines or anything, was you know, on screening very very shortly,

757
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>but still plays quite a integral part in the plot

758
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 1>of that that episode. So you know that, and I

759
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 1>still love too too, reminisce about it. I still love

760
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 1>to think about that that you know in so many ways,

761
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>not just as brothers, but you know, even in our

762
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>personal projects that mean a lot to us. We are

763
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>still connected with each other. But music wise, no, not

764
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 1>not really. There is a My parents are still here, thankfully,

765
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>but there are definitely songs that I associate with my

766
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 1>mother and with my father. I have those songs also

767
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>said as a custom ring tone for them. Of course

768
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 1>for my mother because she she told me she played

769
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that a lot when I was still in the womb.

770
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Kiss Seal from our seal, Kissed from a Rose, my

771
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 1>mother played a lot, and my father from a from

772
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>a Dutch artist. That was a song that he heard

773
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot when he was he was younger and in

774
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the hospital for quite a time when he had some

775
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>issues when he was like just a few months old.

776
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>So rams a Cheffy with Sammy or Sammy and it

777
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.599
<v Speaker 1>became one of his his favorite songs because also one

778
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>of the kids that was on the well in the

779
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 1>like the in the room with him at the hospital

780
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>was called Sammy and they became you know, over time

781
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>that they the time that they spend together in the hospital,

782
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they became you know, good friends. And so that's that's

783
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the song that I will always associate with my father

784
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and a song that I will always associate with my mother.

785
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 1>And I still quote my late grandmother. Yeah. She always

786
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>told me, if you want to better the world, start

787
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 1>by making a better you start with yourself.

788
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And great advice.

789
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes it is. And I took that advice, and yeah,

790
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 1>life has gotten a lot a lot better. So I

791
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>will I will still quote her whenever whenever. And I

792
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 1>guess the thing that I miss most about her is

793
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Grandma's cooking because she just always made sure that was

794
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>too much.

795
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, Well that's a great way to honor her

796
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 2>about is to just live by her her message.

797
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean it wasn't until a uh, a

798
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 1>few years ago or well a few years ago while

799
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 1>ago that that I really, you know, began to see

800
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the the value in that, because you know, as a

801
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>as a teenager, you know, rebellious senior Church, it's like, yeah, whatever, Grandma.

802
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And then you you go through life, you go through

803
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>some some things that's that shape you, that sharpened you,

804
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that's create character, and then you're like cool. She was right.

805
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting about where we find people that will change

806
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 2>our lives. It's so it's so awesome to hear that

807
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 2>your grandmother was pivotal and giving you that mindset. I

808
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't close to any of my grandparents. One of them

809
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 2>had passed, well, two of them had passed before I

810
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 2>was even born, and the others weren't. I weren't wasn't

811
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.440
<v Speaker 2>close to them. But early on though, So when I

812
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>was a teenager, I was kind of a quiet teenager

813
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and I needed some inspiration. And you may you may laugh,

814
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>but the person I found the inspiration from was Dolly Parton,

815
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Dolly Parking because of her, she was optimistic, she was happy,

816
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 2>she loved everybody. She taught me how to appreciate simple

817
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>things in life. And even when I was struggling financially,

818
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I was still happy. I was still happy with anything.

819
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 2>I was appreciative of, a good cup of coffee, beautiful sunrise,

820
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a phone call from a friend. That's all WE'SOK, you know,

821
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>And and that's exactly what spirits on the other side

822
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>want us to do. Is that every time I've spoken

823
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to a spirit on the other side, they say, appreciate

824
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 2>the simple things. That's the big lesson. And once you

825
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 2>start doing that, as you said, your life got so

826
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.920
<v Speaker 2>much better. Yeah.

827
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton, Okay, yeah, it's she's not a She's not

828
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 1>a bad example, you know she is. Uh.

829
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, if ever, if everybody could be like Dolly Parton,

830
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>this war will be an awesome place love. Everybody agree

831
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>except everybody. Yeah, yeah, sadly the world is not like that.

832
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 1>But no, but hey we can we can still strive

833
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>for it, you know. The there is that ripple effects.

834
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Of course. That's also why my my grandmother of course, said,

835
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, start with with yourself, because if you're happy,

836
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 1>people around you see that you're happy, which makes them happy.

837
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to jump back to Pets for a minute,

838
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 2>because it's cat Dad. I know we're covering a lot,

839
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.880
<v Speaker 2>but I've covered a lot. So one thing I forgot

840
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 2>to mention the upfront is that I have three series

841
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of books. One is called Pets and the Afterlife, And

842
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 2>in those books, I teach people how their pets are

843
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>giving them signs so that they don't need to pay

844
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.599
<v Speaker 2>a medium. Really they can read about they can learn

845
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.119
<v Speaker 2>it themselves and pay tension. The second series of books

846
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>is called Ghosts Versus Spirits, so their paranel investigations versus

847
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Spirits that I've communicated with. The third one is Ghosts

848
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 2>on a Medium's Vacation. Whenever I go on vacation, I'm

849
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.559
<v Speaker 2>sure your wife experiences this. Dead people like to talk

850
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to you. It's kind of it is. But so I

851
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.679
<v Speaker 2>went to Ireland and I went to England, and those

852
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 2>are the topics of two of my three books in

853
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 2>that series. And I learned history by talking to dead

854
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>people at the time that I later verified when I

855
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 2>went home. It was fascinating.

856
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 1>That's an interesting way to learn the history of the

857
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>lands by it is I mean, I guess it's you know,

858
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.920
<v Speaker 1>as close as a as a source as you can get.

859
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, the people that actually lived through it, that

860
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.559
<v Speaker 1>are actually you know, that actually live there, are there,

861
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 1>just not actually there.

862
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Physically there, right, yeah. Yeah. So whenever I go anywhere,

863
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>whether it be an investigation or vacation or whatever, I

864
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>always keep a journal with me and I write everything

865
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>down and then I verify it later and I sketch

866
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 2>ghosts out by the way, So in my books, people

867
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 2>will see ghosts that I've sketched out. And every time

868
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I go on a paranormal investigation and I do that,

869
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I've been happy. Well, I'm happy to say that the

870
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>people in the home will always say that is the

871
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 2>ghost that they saw. So I've been you know, one

872
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent so far. And one of the sketches in

873
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>one of my books, Case Spiles and Inspired ghost Tracking,

874
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>we had a technical team to win first and took

875
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>infrared images and they caught one of this ghost. Then

876
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I went in with another medium and I sketched this

877
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>ghost out. After I was done, the tech team days

878
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>later emailed me picture side by side. They look alike. Yeah,

879
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>so it's pretty cool. But getting back to Petsford just

880
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:04.079
<v Speaker 2>a minute. Being a cat dad, you need to know

881
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that your cat is listening to every single thing you say,

882
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 2>and they will remember every single thing you say. There

883
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 2>was there was a cat that I did a reading

884
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.639
<v Speaker 2>for and I love this story so I say it often,

885
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>but I never get tired of repeating it. There was

886
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>a woman named Ingrid who had written me for a

887
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 2>reading about her cat named Buddy. But he gave me

888
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of information, but he gave me a word

889
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 2>that I've never heard before, and the word was mala.

890
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Never heard of that word. I know Spanish, and Spanish

891
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.360
<v Speaker 2>mala is bad, but that wasn't it anyway. So I

892
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 2>wrote it. I do all my readings by email, and

893
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I sent it to her and I said, I have

894
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 2>no idea what this word means, but he said it

895
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:48.800
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, so it mustn't mean something. So

896
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 2>she wrote me back and she said, I enjoyed the reading.

897
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I understood everything, and the word mala stood out because

898
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>two people, or only two living things know what that

899
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 2>word means to me. And she said me and Buddy.

900
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>She said, every morning when she wakes up, she opens

901
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 2>her door, bedroom door, Buddy comes in to her bedroom.

902
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.079
<v Speaker 2>She sits down with Buddy, she does a meditation called

903
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the Mala meditation. Wow, okay, And so that was crazy.

904
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Dogs do the same thing. There was a dog who

905
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 2>came through to me that gave me the number five

906
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 2>twelve to his dad, who was a black Labrador retriever,

907
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and the dad said, no idea what that means. He

908
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 2>wrote me back eight months later and said, I'm the

909
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.159
<v Speaker 2>guy that you said. My black lab said five twelve.

910
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I finally figured it out. He said, I

911
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>want to tell you that I am a doctor. I

912
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 2>was in my office this week. Patient came in. He

913
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 2>was having he was suffering from a collapse lung. I

914
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 2>wrote the medical code down. It was five twelve. My

915
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 2>dog passed from collapse lungs.

916
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

917
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Five twelves. Wow. So even.

918
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:14.840
<v Speaker 1>They even remembered that or like new new that. Oh

919
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that is that is special.

920
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.519
<v Speaker 2>And they get help from human spirits too for things.

921
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, especially when it comes to numbers.

922
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.239
<v Speaker 2>They can send repeating numbers too. They're called angel numbers.

923
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 2>So have you seen repeating numbers since your brother.

924
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I will often see the the same patterns. Yeah, yeah,

925
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 1>I've I've had that a lot actually, and like, come

926
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:48.400
<v Speaker 1>to think of it, it's the fifteen. Seems to be

927
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 1>a very prevalent number within within our family. Yeah, fifteen.

928
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Like his birthday on the well, it's the fifteenth of October,

929
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>my four fifteen right now PM my time, Yeah, of

930
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 2>course it.

931
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Is my Yeah, my daughter's birthdays on the fifteenth of April,

932
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>my son's birthdays on the fifteenth of May. It was

933
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:23.239
<v Speaker 1>at fifteen years old that I got my first long

934
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>term girlfriend, so I'll still see that, see that a lot.

935
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, by by happenstance just now as well.

936
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a coincidence. So that's your brother, this particular

937
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>instance is your brother that made you talk about fifteen

938
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.559
<v Speaker 2>because it's fifteen on the clock.

939
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and because his birthday is October fifteenth, and I

940
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>just remembered, like, wow, fifteen, Like we have a lot

941
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.199
<v Speaker 1>of things with fifteen.

942
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Fast, Okay. So interestingly enough, I wrote a book called

943
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Kindred Spirits about a spirit named Ed whose birthday is

944
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 2>also October fifteenth. Eh Ood. He is my husband's late

945
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>partner who I've never met. He died long before I

946
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.880
<v Speaker 2>met my husband, and he has been with us since

947
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the first day we met, and he has given us signs.

948
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 2>He uses pennies with the date nineteen ninety six on it,

949
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the year he passed. I have truckload of pennies with

950
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six on it whenever he's around. He sent

951
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 2>us a look alike when we were lost in England

952
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.360
<v Speaker 2>in a forested area at sunset, and this one guy

953
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>came out of nowhere, got out of his He was

954
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a Royal mail delivery driver. He got out of his

955
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 2>truck flagged him down, and I thought I was just

956
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.679
<v Speaker 2>going to pass out because he looked exactly like Ed's picture.

957
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Had Ed lived to be in his fifties. Wow. Yeah,

958
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 2>And my husband thought the same thing. He said, did

959
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you see that guy? He said, Yeah, he looks exactly

960
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 2>like Ed would have looked. Tad he lived to be

961
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in his fifties. He also helped me solve the mystery

962
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.320
<v Speaker 2>behind his own death. So all of that is in

963
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 2>that book. Wow, okay, yeah, so that's kind of crazy.

964
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 2>But he's proven that he's with our dog in spirit,

965
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's done that using So I'm trying to tie

966
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>all this in here between the numbers, between the numbers

967
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and the pets and spirits. So he uses coins so

968
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 2>dated nineteen ninety six, the year he passed. Every time

969
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 2>one of our dogs have passed within a couple of days,

970
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.599
<v Speaker 2>we have found a coin dated nineteen ninety six. So

971
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 2>that's Ed's way of saying our dog is with him.

972
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.440
<v Speaker 2>And Ed always wanted a dog when he was alive.

973
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So I've been told now he has four of our

974
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 2>dogs in spirit. Wow, we have four in spirit?

975
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 1>So he was was he born on the fifteenth Offtober

976
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Did he passed on the fifteenth of October.

977
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 2>No, he was born on October fifteenth.

978
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Then wow, because my brother's birth year is actually nineteen

979
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 1>ninety five, so wow, very close. Yeah, he's in the

980
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's that's one thing he has on me.

981
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 1>He's in the Club of twenty seven with all the

982
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the great names that are in that that club as well.

983
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>So kind of kind of jealous about that. I got

984
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to say, you know, he gets to gets to hang

985
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.719
<v Speaker 1>out with I, just like Kurt Kabaine for example. You know,

986
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole Club of twenty seventh thing.

987
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, interesting, well there is there's definitely, you know,

988
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.159
<v Speaker 2>no such thing as a coincidence when it comes to numbers,

989
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.719
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to finding coins with a certain year

990
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 2>on them. It is interesting though, that he shares the

991
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.840
<v Speaker 2>same birthday of a special spirit that has been around

992
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:58.199
<v Speaker 2>me for now twenty years, and it's always around me.

993
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 2>We Actually he just showed up again today.

994
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Of course he is.

995
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the form of a pickup truck that he

996
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>used to drive, same pickup track, same color, same model,

997
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.679
<v Speaker 2>same year from nineteen ninety two. What are the chances

998
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 2>of seeing.

999
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 1>That nineteen ninety two, which is my year of birth.

1000
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I'm not going to tell you mine.

1001
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:31.360
<v Speaker 1>You I want to say nineteen ninety. You can't be

1002
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.119
<v Speaker 1>that much older than I am.

1003
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's bad lighting in here, but thank you.

1004
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Of course, no I pick up drug that. Actually that

1005
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:47.800
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of something like my wife's son, her Gooberg

1006
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 1>as she calls him. He is sensitive to these things

1007
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.679
<v Speaker 1>as well, so she'll sometimes ask him like, hey, can

1008
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you can you help mommy find something? And there was

1009
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the one day last summer. I believe when when I

1010
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>go outside, my my cats will follow me, like wherever

1011
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.079
<v Speaker 1>wherever I go, they follow me. Uh, Timmy, the older

1012
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>one red cats, he he knows where to go, He'll

1013
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.840
<v Speaker 1>find his way. My other cat, the well, the baby Selene,

1014
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>she you know, is still kind of struggling. I you know,

1015
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.920
<v Speaker 1>came home from just just doing groceries, just every day things,

1016
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and it was getting you know, getting a little late,

1017
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, well, you know, I really speak

1018
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 1>of the red devil.

1019
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:38.199
<v Speaker 2>There's a tailor right there. Yeah, big boy, Yeah heard

1020
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 2>you calling?

1021
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah shackered, Yeah, I agree, I'm sorry. Had to introduce you.

1022
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 1>You know how that goes wants a treat. I think

1023
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a fatty yes, no, but I I had no

1024
01:02:54.920 --> 01:03:00.039
<v Speaker 1>idea where, you know, where Timmy or Selene was. I

1025
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I knew where I kind of left them, and they

1026
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:06.519
<v Speaker 1>they usually they never go for you know, they have

1027
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 1>like their own little territory, the own like parts of

1028
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of the of the neighborhoods where they will just hang around.

1029
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And I know those spots. By now I couldn't find

1030
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.840
<v Speaker 1>them note of the usual spots, and especially with with Timmy,

1031
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.119
<v Speaker 1>like that was the most special one. And ties in

1032
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to the pickup truck. Here in the Netherlands, not a

1033
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:35.599
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of pickup trucks, you know, it's our country

1034
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is just two small. Our roads aren't aren't built for

1035
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.559
<v Speaker 1>that like they are in the in the States. But

1036
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, my wife's son, he swore like up and

1037
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.960
<v Speaker 1>down that Timmy was somewhere near a red pickup truck,

1038
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 1>like a red truck. And I was like, yeah, I

1039
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.719
<v Speaker 1>mean sure, but like there really aren't any trucks here.

1040
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.800
<v Speaker 1>But proving me wrong because lo and behold, when I

1041
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 1>looked at one of the the parking spaces, like just

1042
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 1>down the road where Timmy was was a red Ford

1043
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:22.159
<v Speaker 1>raptor nowhere a truck, and he saw Selene near a

1044
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.320
<v Speaker 1>body of water, and one of the shops that I

1045
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.920
<v Speaker 1>went to, and the one that Selene walked with me

1046
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 1>was near a body of water, and she was still there,

1047
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, scared and confused, like don't I

1048
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.199
<v Speaker 1>don't see my dad, I don't know where I am.

1049
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:43.719
<v Speaker 1>So two out of two and even as specific as

1050
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a red truck here in the Netherlands, in the flowerable region,

1051
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.239
<v Speaker 1>even like I don't even live in like a larger city.

1052
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 1>It's in the smaller town. So chances are incredibly slim

1053
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that one actually drives around here. But talk me to

1054
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 1>no doubt him if he says that he's there and

1055
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to look for it.

1056
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow. And it was just incredible.

1057
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was that detail, you know, this sophicity of

1058
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it that I was like, wow, Okay.

1059
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 2>So I would guess he would be psychic because he

1060
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 2>can connect to the energies of the living and the past,

1061
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.559
<v Speaker 2>the present, future. And to me, I'm only a medium,

1062
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.000
<v Speaker 2>which means I can only talk to people and pets

1063
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:37.199
<v Speaker 2>who passed. So I always say that psychics have a

1064
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.079
<v Speaker 2>different gift. They have a greater gift because they can

1065
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.320
<v Speaker 2>connect to the living and what's happening and what has

1066
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.840
<v Speaker 2>happened and what will happen. And by the way, if

1067
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I cannot communicate with living pets, that is an animal communicator. Okay,

1068
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I also cannot communicate with wild animals because wild animals

1069
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 2>do not know our language, they don't know our habits,

1070
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't live with us, so they don't have a

1071
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 2>way to have a way to recognize what we do

1072
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and what we say and how we behave and we

1073
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:09.960
<v Speaker 2>don't have that with them either. Because people will always

1074
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.960
<v Speaker 2>ask me, can you connect with a lion in a zoo? No,

1075
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I can't know.

1076
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 1>No, that's something else entirely.

1077
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's been interesting. People also ask me to

1078
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.519
<v Speaker 2>a couple of more things about pets that they ask

1079
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 2>me if their pets always will usually cross over, and

1080
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the answer is yes. I found that ninety nine point

1081
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.719
<v Speaker 2>five percent of all pets will cross over because they

1082
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.800
<v Speaker 2>always know a good thing, you know, they know just

1083
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.480
<v Speaker 2>like they know when we're in a good mood. Well,

1084
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.239
<v Speaker 2>they'll come over to us when they pass, when their

1085
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.039
<v Speaker 2>physical bodies pass and they become energy and that light

1086
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:52.039
<v Speaker 2>to the other side opens. It's all good. It feels

1087
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.599
<v Speaker 2>good and peaceful and calm, so they'll go to it. Plus,

1088
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:59.599
<v Speaker 2>our loved ones in spirit are waiting there to welcome them,

1089
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:01.880
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have any fear about our pets being

1090
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 2>left behind. Only people are really stubborn and goofy enough

1091
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.639
<v Speaker 2>to stay behind. As an earth aut ghost, yeah yeah,

1092
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:15.360
<v Speaker 2>yeah wow. And if you ever have to make the

1093
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 2>decision to help your pet crossover out of pain, they

1094
01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:25.159
<v Speaker 2>want you to know that they understand it, and that

1095
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.719
<v Speaker 2>when they give you signs like they stop interacting with you,

1096
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:35.800
<v Speaker 2>stop playing with you, when they distance themselves from you, yeah,

1097
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that's a sign that they're ready to go. We had

1098
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a dog, a docs named Franklin, who was very interactive,

1099
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 2>very personable with us. And when he was sixteen and

1100
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a half and he had a spinal issue, a disc

1101
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.559
<v Speaker 2>that was slipping which was taking away his mobility, couldn't

1102
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:57.440
<v Speaker 2>walk on his back legs. He when we took him

1103
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.400
<v Speaker 2>into a room, We carried him into a room with us.

1104
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.360
<v Speaker 2>We knew it was near at the end of his time.

1105
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.159
<v Speaker 2>He found the strength to get up with his front

1106
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:08.840
<v Speaker 2>legs and drag himself out of the room to another room. Purposely.

1107
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>He did not want to be with us because he

1108
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.960
<v Speaker 2>was telling us it was his time. So they will

1109
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.920
<v Speaker 2>show you that and you know, whether it's not eating,

1110
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.800
<v Speaker 2>not eating treats and so forth. And they always thank

1111
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 2>their parents from the other side for having the courage.

1112
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And what that means is that you learn their lesson,

1113
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 2>which is unconditional love. Yes, why they're here. Yeah, So

1114
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:34.000
<v Speaker 2>don't feel guilty when you have to help your pet

1115
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.960
<v Speaker 2>pass out of pain. They appreciate that you found that

1116
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:38.039
<v Speaker 2>courage to do that.

1117
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I've had to do that once, only once. Luckily that

1118
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:48.920
<v Speaker 1>was a a pet rat of mine. Actually, that was

1119
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the pets that I had with a an

1120
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:56.640
<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend of mine. Rats are very sensitive to the

1121
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:01.159
<v Speaker 1>cancer growths, big big problem among the rats, especially the

1122
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 1>more I like the tamed ones, and I like that

1123
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:07.760
<v Speaker 1>was that was my first experience of like losing a

1124
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.000
<v Speaker 1>losing a pet. I never really had pets. It wasn't

1125
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:14.439
<v Speaker 1>not until I was with that that ex girlfriend that

1126
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:20.079
<v Speaker 1>we got got pets. And you know, you think like, oh,

1127
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, it's a it's a pet rat.

1128
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're not not the most playful ones. Usually

1129
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:35.399
<v Speaker 1>they don't grow very old, you know, two three years maybe, Well,

1130
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 1>I think like it's also the the circumstance surrounding it.

1131
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Because that ex girlfriend of mine, she left very well

1132
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.640
<v Speaker 1>shortly before all of that happened. So when I had

1133
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to the vats and you know, like ask

1134
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.800
<v Speaker 1>him like, hey, can you can you do something? And

1135
01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:56.000
<v Speaker 1>all the vat could say is like, nah, no, it's

1136
01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:01.399
<v Speaker 1>that's all we can do is you know, have her

1137
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:05.720
<v Speaker 1>be a piece. So that was really the like the

1138
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.119
<v Speaker 1>end of a whole chapter for me. Like everything that

1139
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I had with that ex girlfriend was you know, like

1140
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Renick caught off at at that pad rat. Yeah, so

1141
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:20.840
<v Speaker 1>that was Yeah, that was that was pretty hard.

1142
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.239
<v Speaker 2>It's traumatic really so for people who lose pets that

1143
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.199
<v Speaker 2>they've had for even quite a while, like dogs and cats.

1144
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:31.199
<v Speaker 2>We raised them like we raise human children really, because

1145
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:33.640
<v Speaker 2>we teach them language, We teach them routine, take them

1146
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to the doctor, take them to school, teach them things,

1147
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:37.319
<v Speaker 2>teach them to go to the bathroom, teach them to

1148
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.720
<v Speaker 2>play well with others, and so we raised them the

1149
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.880
<v Speaker 2>same way. And when they pass, it's emotionally devastating to us.

1150
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:49.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's okay to feel great because I mean when

1151
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:52.680
<v Speaker 2>my dog Dolly passed, she's a Wimer on her She's

1152
01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 2>on the cover of one of my pets in the

1153
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Afterlife three book. I didn't want to talk to anybody

1154
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:58.239
<v Speaker 2>for two, like two three weeks. I didn't want to

1155
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.720
<v Speaker 2>talk to anybody. And you know, and people say, well,

1156
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.560
<v Speaker 2>you're a pet medium. I said, it doesn't matter. I

1157
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.800
<v Speaker 2>was in deep grief. You know, don't you're you're still

1158
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:09.760
<v Speaker 2>You're still a human. It doesn't.

1159
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make the emotions any any different. I mean, yeah,

1160
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:17.319
<v Speaker 1>you know that, you know they are at peace and

1161
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:22.119
<v Speaker 1>all of that, but you know, conscious thoughts and emotions

1162
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.119
<v Speaker 1>those are two very different layers.

1163
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And you know, frankly, people would often grieve

1164
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:30.960
<v Speaker 2>more deeply for their pets than they would for people,

1165
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:36.000
<v Speaker 2>because pets are our responsibility. They are our responsibility, and

1166
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.039
<v Speaker 2>when they pass, even though we know they have short lives,

1167
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it feels like we fail them. And we should not

1168
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 2>feel that way because they have short lives. I can't

1169
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.359
<v Speaker 2>tell you how many people I have talked to have

1170
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.720
<v Speaker 2>who have said they've actually been suicidal after their pet past,

1171
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:55.680
<v Speaker 2>which is extremely sad. And if people are feeling that

1172
01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.039
<v Speaker 2>much grief, then they need to talk to a grief

1173
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:01.000
<v Speaker 2>counselor because I'm not a I'm not a grief counselor.

1174
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm a pet medium, and they need to know that

1175
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:08.319
<v Speaker 2>the love of their pet lasts forever, and your pet

1176
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:13.039
<v Speaker 2>will always give you signs. We mentioned earlier numbers, repeating

1177
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.600
<v Speaker 2>numbers are something that people will what spirits will give.

1178
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Since Dolly passed away on October twenty twenty, I've seen

1179
01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 2>repeating numbers every single day, every day, and I know

1180
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they're from her every day, So keep an eye out

1181
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:29.399
<v Speaker 2>for those. There's all kinds of signs and spirits let

1182
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.279
<v Speaker 2>us know that they're okay, and they're around and they'll

1183
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:35.359
<v Speaker 2>guide us and that love just connects us forever until

1184
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:41.399
<v Speaker 2>we get to the other side where they're all waiting. Yeah, yeah,

1185
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.199
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to throw that out all out there.

1186
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I forget.

1187
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.720
<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's beautiful and yeah, in the end we

1188
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:55.359
<v Speaker 1>will all be reconnected again on the other side of

1189
01:12:55.399 --> 01:13:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the fail. It's just some will be waiting for us

1190
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a little longer than than Uys. Wow, this has been.

1191
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.840
<v Speaker 1>This has been amazing. This has been This has been beautiful. Actually,

1192
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I I never knew that there was there was so

1193
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:21.760
<v Speaker 1>much to it. I've spoken to mediums before, of course,

1194
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.159
<v Speaker 1>but never a pet medium and yeah, you know me

1195
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 1>being a cat dad, I mean to me, of course

1196
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.640
<v Speaker 1>had to make himself known. He always does that.

1197
01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't. I don't think I've ever met

1198
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.039
<v Speaker 2>another medium who's a scientist, because that's helped a lot.

1199
01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was, Yeah, because often you'll find people that

1200
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:45.800
<v Speaker 1>they that say that like science and beliefs or gifts

1201
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:51.319
<v Speaker 1>like mediumship are diametrically a medically posed to each other.

1202
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Like it's either science, which you know, is all about

1203
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the physical and understanding the physical and understanding how the

1204
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.079
<v Speaker 1>world works and all things of the world in the world,

1205
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and then there is the spiritual the other side, on

1206
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the side of the veil, the passing over what you know,

1207
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.680
<v Speaker 1>what stays behind, what goes on. So I think it's

1208
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:20.319
<v Speaker 1>it's awesome that like through science you actually understand it

1209
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:24.319
<v Speaker 1>it all better and the way you have explain it

1210
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.760
<v Speaker 1>all it makes a whole lot of sense actually, both

1211
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:31.520
<v Speaker 1>spiritually and scientifically. And I definitely feel like we shouldn't

1212
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>keep those two apart there. They are complementary to each other,

1213
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.960
<v Speaker 1>as you have proven in this almost hour and a

1214
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 1>half now.

1215
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, But yeah, I think so. I so my

1216
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:47.039
<v Speaker 2>my goal is to explain the paranormal with science and

1217
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.600
<v Speaker 2>make it normal so that everybody understands it.

1218
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:55.880
<v Speaker 1>From paranormal to normal. Okay, there's a title in that

1219
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to have to ponder on it. It would

1220
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.760
<v Speaker 1>be fun to to speak with your wife too, with

1221
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:05.920
<v Speaker 1>her experiences some of the time. Yeah, no, I just

1222
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 1>that bad timing, chores and and all of that. But yeah,

1223
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.239
<v Speaker 1>she she has stories to tell and she always loves it,

1224
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:18.199
<v Speaker 1>loves it when when another medium is on, and those

1225
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:21.000
<v Speaker 1>are those are easy shows for me too because I

1226
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.119
<v Speaker 1>can just you know, sit back and be more more

1227
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the producer and and and everything just

1228
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, like throw throw up the ball every now

1229
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and then, and I know that you know, she takes

1230
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.439
<v Speaker 1>it and runs with it. So those are easy shows

1231
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:38.640
<v Speaker 1>for me and just and a lot of fun for her.

1232
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:43.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I will. And I'm sure when I when

1233
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I show her this, when I tell her all of this,

1234
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's already kind of bummed out that she

1235
01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:49.760
<v Speaker 1>had to had to miss it. So all of the

1236
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.880
<v Speaker 1>more reason to do this again sometime with my wife

1237
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>actually present.

1238
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 2>That'd be wonderful. Well, thank you so much. I mean

1239
01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:59.479
<v Speaker 2>this has been such a pleasure to talk with you

1240
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and can across the Atlantic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure.

1241
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's been great. I've learned a lot actually

1242
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of puzzle pieces fell into place, and

1243
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:14.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot more to ponderon as well. And thank you

1244
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:20.079
<v Speaker 1>makes me appreciate my cats even more as well. Awesome,

1245
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:24.439
<v Speaker 1>even though they are hate the as sometimes but it's

1246
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:25.039
<v Speaker 1>all love.

1247
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 2>It's all love. Love. Love is not always easy. It

1248
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 2>can be painful too, yes, yes, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where where can where can the good people find

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<v Speaker 1>your books? Find your work? How can they? How can

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<v Speaker 1>they contact you as a medium?

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<v Speaker 2>So all my all my books are available on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon EU, Amazon dot Com, Amazon Canada, whatever Amazon platform

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<v Speaker 2>you're on, they should be there. Myrip website is Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Gutro dot com. It's my last name, or if you

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<v Speaker 2>can't spell my last name, just think put in pet

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<v Speaker 2>spirits dot com goes to the same Okay, yeah, mix

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<v Speaker 2>it easier and I'm all over social media, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can just find me anywhere. And again, this has been

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<v Speaker 2>such a pleasure and I'm looking forward to to chatting

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<v Speaker 2>with you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on thank you for this wonderful conversation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to end the weekends. It being Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and all, it's also a very good day to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about things like like this. I will, of course make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the links to your website and your books

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<v Speaker 1>are in the description box down below. First time having

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<v Speaker 1>a pet medium on the show. I never even knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was a thing, but a the more you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you learn. So yeah, thank you everyone for watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone for listening. I hope you had fun

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Hope you learn as much as I did,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, perhaps even more, who knows. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>to leave alike on video. I post something nice in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments, you know, maybe a story about your pets.

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<v Speaker 1>We all have stories. We've all had pets. Codline you have,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they're not officially yours, you know, maybe cat

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<v Speaker 1>from the neighborhood that adopted you instead the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>Subscribe to the channel ring the notification bell so you

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<v Speaker 1>I do my life Room reading shows with Zara Lath

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<v Speaker 1>again as well. For everything else, go to our website

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<v Speaker 1>ww dot, Greyhoundpagans dot com. Everything can be found on there,

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<v Speaker 1>from the tribe to the podcast, to the growth of

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<v Speaker 1>voting and everything else that we associate ourselves with. Last,

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<v Speaker 1>you again. It has been a pleasure and on to

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<v Speaker 1>next time everyone, Bye bye,