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Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every week, 31 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.480 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 32 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.560 killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 33 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.840 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 34 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.400 Good Evening. This is your host Dan Zupansky for the 35 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.519 program True Murder, The most shocking killers in true crime 36 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.799 history and the authors that are written about them. The 37 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.280 case that captivated to Coachella Valley in San Francisco Bay 38 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:08.599 Area for years. Author Sheryluder and her literary team Don 39 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.439 Tarud Martinez and Kim Hansen, along with Tyson Wrenched, a 40 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.960 former friend now victim of the Khan Men, unraveled the 41 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.919 threads of a decade long crimes free filled with twists, turns, 42 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:25.120 and shocking revelations. Filled with a cast of characters drawn 43 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:29.199 from San Francisco's Castro District, The Dark Prince and the 44 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.400 Boys take you from one con to the next until 45 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.280 a single brazen act leads to murder. However, the story 46 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:37.240 doesn't end there. 47 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:38.680 There are the. 48 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.759 However, the story doesn't end there. There are the dramatic 49 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.719 courtroom trials that no one predicted and the shocking ending 50 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:51.360 that no one expected, not even the judge. The book 51 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.039 that we're featuring this evening is Until Someone Gets Hurt 52 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.120 by Sherry Luder and Tyson Wrench, and my guest this 53 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.639 evening is Tyson Wrench. Welcome to the program, and thank 54 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.919 you for agreeing to this interview. Tyson Wrench. 55 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:06.759 Yeah, thank you very much for having me. I really 56 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:07.400 appreciate it. 57 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.319 I hope that's the pronunciation of your name. I should 58 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:11.199 have checked beforehand. 59 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:16.719 Yeah, no, it's just like a wrench. There you go. 60 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:24.360 Okay, now let's get to this wild story, and for 61 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:28.919 our audience, I don't think it's explained in there so well, 62 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.560 but you have we're friends with the people that are 63 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.000 the main characters in this story, and then you end 64 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.599 up being a victim, and so you can tell us 65 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:41.439 how you became a victim. And this is the fascinating 66 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:45.120 story and it's a unique perspective because of who you 67 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:50.680 are and your relationship to the characters in this including 68 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.439 a murderer. So let's get right to this incredible story 69 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.719 Until Someone Gets Hurt And you're the co author along 70 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:03.319 with Sherry Luter. Now let's start off with are me. 71 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:05.199 Go ahead? 72 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:13.599 And now I wanted to start our interview basically the 73 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.759 same way you unfold the relationships in this book. Because 74 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.279 there's a lot of characters and it's a little it's 75 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.439 fairly complex compared to some of the stories that we 76 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:27.920 deal with, it's really best to keep this focus. And 77 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.600 we'll start our interview with how you start your book 78 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.399 and tell us where you are on March fifth, two 79 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:39.800 thousand and seven, and under what circumstances you'd gone on 80 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:45.199 a vacation. Tell us basically that and maybe even before that, 81 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.000 give us your background and at that time, who were 82 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:53.040 you at that time, what was your profession, what was 83 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.839 your status, and then explain what happened on March fifth 84 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.959 and unfold this story for our audience. 85 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.240 Sure, sure, well, I was raised UH in the Silicon 86 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.560 Valley and and obviously started my career there in the 87 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.519 UH in the computer industry and rode the dot com boom, 88 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:18.480 and UH just had the had pretty good success with 89 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.079 with everything I did and UH in that in that process, 90 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.959 I had moved to San Francisco and just had a 91 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.720 big circle of friends. And within that circle of friends 92 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.680 was a was a man named Danny Garcia, and he 93 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:40.560 and I had become a grateful for five years. My 94 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.199 company transferred me to Europe. I moved to uh Germany 95 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.120 and I was there for a couple of years before 96 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.879 the dot com boom sort of came to an end, 97 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.600 if you will, and they all needed to downsize, and 98 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.519 I was given a fantastic parachute out of there. And 99 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.199 of course I first person I called was as that 100 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.480 was Danny, and I said, I'm coming back to the 101 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.199 US and let's go have a good time, because that's 102 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.399 uh he was that he was that friend. 103 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.879 Okay, now tell us about your vacation. Uh you you've 104 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.920 just been terminated by your company. But like you say, 105 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.800 it's not it's not so full. You you did really 106 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.120 really well. You were you were You want to come 107 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.360 back to the States anyway, or at least you're comfortable 108 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.720 with coming back to the States. And you got a 109 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.920 lot of money, like you say, seven figure parachutes. So 110 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:34.000 now tell us about this Argentina, Argentina and Brazil, this 111 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.800 South American vacation, and tell us a little bit about that. 112 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:39.600 Why you why you wanted to go there? 113 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:45.720 And tell us I had had some Germans get an 114 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.360 amazing amount of vacation normally done with some of my 115 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.360 UH friends and co workers. That's to South America for 116 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.600 a month on a trip and included a cruise, and 117 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.680 the end of the cruise we ended up from one 118 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:03.680 side rio. 119 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.519 We got to Reha. I went online and decided to 120 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.720 go pay for some of my credit carvers. So he 121 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.839 spent this and make it was all done, and uh, 122 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.120 I get to the internet day, I go on lot 123 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.000 and and all of my bank accounts are now empty. 124 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.959 And my first thought was really that maybe because I 125 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.120 was in Brazil, you know, the huge banks blocked it 126 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.959 and and this was in denial. And uh, my friend said, 127 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:35.360 but that doesn't happen. Back to the theay and and 128 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.480 and looked further, and I further and enough, Uh, you know, 129 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:45.439 four thousand dollars a day had been withdrawn from my accounts. Uh. 130 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.519 And I had a three hundred dollars limits, so that 131 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.959 was even more confusing. Contacted the bank and they said 132 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.160 that that when I was telling them didn't make sense, 133 00:07:55.759 --> 00:08:00.000 and don't do uh not twenty but I'm coming home. 134 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.199 I just knew something wasn't right, and uh, I did that. 135 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:08.040 The airline was very accommodating because they didn't have any money, 136 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:18.360 and so I hadn't gotten uh home uh lifter. They 137 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.839 just someone had moved into my house and there stuff 138 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.560 with the bedroom. There was none of it that done 139 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.679 through my room in time. 140 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.440 I've got to interrupt you, tyson. We have a major 141 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.120 connection problem here. That's this is why basically I unless 142 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.720 this is the wackiest uh landline phone ever. It's almost 143 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.200 incomprehensible the conversation, and so I know, yeah, so it's 144 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.919 uh call back in. Uh maybe we try to just 145 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.879 call back in and then yes, if it doesn't clear, 146 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:06.480 then we'll have to reschedule the the interview because we 147 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:12.159 really can't. It's incomprehensible. So, uh why don't you recall 148 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.559 back in and see if we can we can improve 149 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:18.200 the clarity for the for those that are listening. So 150 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.480 we'll do that. Go ahead and call back in and 151 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:30.200 uh entertaine the audience with my Okay, thanks. I apologize 152 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.559 that for that technical difficulty. I do stress and a 153 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.039 lot of people do not have access to landline but 154 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:42.799 landline phone. Landline phones are really far superior to cell 155 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.639 phones in terms of especially one thing and if you 156 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.679 hear this in interviews. You can see what the problem 157 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.639 is as well, is that it seems to be a 158 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:56.039 pile up. There'll be an interference in the conversation back 159 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.919 and forth, normal back and forth conversation, and so there's 160 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.519 a little bit of a delay, and that's one of 161 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.519 the problems. And it's just an in better sound quality. 162 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.000 Now we have Tyson Wrench back on and we'll see 163 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:16.080 if this improves. I'm really hoping, so good evening, Tyler 164 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:21.159 our Tyson, pardon me, yes, this is better? Yes, I 165 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:25.279 think so. Okay, sorry, let's let's go. Let's go back 166 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.679 a little bit because I think the audience would have 167 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.399 a hard time understanding. You are on this trip, you 168 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:36.159 don't have internet internet access on for a couple of 169 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.480 weeks or so, or ten days or so. You can 170 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:40.919 correct me on that you don't have internet access. You 171 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.639 can't check your bank account. When you do check your 172 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.919 bank account, you see that these accounts are either empty 173 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.759 or a great amount of money is missing. And maybe 174 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.039 you can tell us how much money you were looking 175 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:54.200 at missing. You were said you were initially in denial 176 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.679 about that, but pick up on the story back at 177 00:10:57.720 --> 00:10:58.600 that those details. 178 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.799 Please, yeah, yeah, so I had gone online and I 179 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:03.879 had I had a three hundred dollars withdrawal limit on 180 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.559 my accounts. Now, granted, my my severance package was still 181 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.840 over in Europe hadn't actually been paid out on it yet, 182 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.799 but the money that I had just saved in the US, 183 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.919 and it was, you know, four thousand a day for 184 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.240 for almost three weeks that they had pulled out. So 185 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:25.440 it was a very large amount of money. And the 186 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.879 airline was kind enough to let me go home and 187 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.639 announced and just as I said, well, I got home, 188 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.759 I discovered that someone had moved into my house and 189 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.080 that was that was unnerving. 190 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:42.840 And who was this person? 191 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.799 So after digging through my bedroom and looking at the 192 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.799 clothes and the luggage tags, I discovered that it was 193 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.399 in fact my best friend of five years, who turned 194 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.559 out to not be who he said he or was. 195 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.399 Now this is so, Danny Garcia, your friend of five 196 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:04.320 years while you were gone, had lock Stock and Barrel 197 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.200 moved into your place. 198 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.679 He's not only moved into my place, but he actually 199 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.360 had people over to the house pretending to be me. 200 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:16.559 I learned through through tracking using the GPS in my 201 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:21.919 car that backtracked and I found people who he had 202 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.000 gone to their homes and even showed I d with 203 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.720 his photo and my name and my middle name happens 204 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.159 to be Daniel, So he just told people that he 205 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.879 was he goes by his middle name, and he was 206 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.679 had people over met the neighbors, and I travel a 207 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.519 lot for work, so I didn't really know my neighbors. 208 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.600 I can tell you now that I know my neighbors 209 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:52.720 really well. So the but the shot that that he 210 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:57.360 was everything he had told me throughout our time together 211 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.799 was was a lie. From how he how he made 212 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.840 his money, the people that he hung out with, all 213 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.720 of his stories. But then he went so far as 214 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.440 to then begin to isolate me from all of our friends. 215 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.519 So again we were part of a big circle of friends. 216 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.159 I of course reached out to them all to tell 217 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.759 them and warn them, but he had beat me to it, 218 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.159 and the story went that I was in South America 219 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:27.080 because I was a major drug dealer. That how else 220 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.240 would a thirty one year old have a big house 221 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.879 in San Francisco, and and you know all all the 222 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:38.240 things I had, And it made clear sense to everybody 223 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.519 that that by talking to me, they would be getting 224 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.879 involved in some sort of DA investigation. And so I 225 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.600 had to clear my name somehow, and that came through 226 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:57.879 the through the Wells Fargo Bank investigation team, where I 227 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.960 got my hands on a surveillance photo of him with 228 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:04.559 drawing money from my accounts, and that is what cleared 229 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.600 my name. But that didn't The problem was that came 230 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.960 after that was the fact that the the police wouldn't 231 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.759 take a report for my case because the bank gave 232 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.519 me my money back, and therefore the bank was the 233 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:27.159 victim and not me. And because of that that was 234 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.919 I was left just hanging. There was nothing I could do, 235 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.399 and the bank said, you know, why why do you 236 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.320 keep coming back? I kept I'm thinking, why didn't you 237 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:41.000 arrest them? If if I went into your branch next 238 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.559 door with a note that said give me all your 239 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.759 money and I got five hundred dollars, you'd have a 240 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:48.120 swat team banging down my door in ten minutes. And 241 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.879 yet these guys got tens of thousands of dollars from you, 242 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.200 and you don't care. And finally a police detective said 243 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.679 to me, he said, we have so many cases of 244 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:04.480 fraud like this that our manpower is only limited to 245 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:09.159 cases where people are hurt. So until someone gets hurt, 246 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.320 they're going to continue to get away with it. And 247 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.279 that's how we came up with that. That's how we 248 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:17.519 came up with the name for the book. 249 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.879 Okay, now we've got to go back a little bit, 250 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.840 because you opened the book with the introduction on where 251 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:29.039 you met Danny Garcia and in the circumstances under which 252 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.200 you did meet him. He invited you to a protest 253 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:37.799 shortly after meeting each other, and then introduced you to attorneys, 254 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:42.519 and I'll get you to pronounce the attorney's name, David Ye. 255 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:44.720 I was going to ask you about that. 256 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:49.600 So tell us about the invite, tell us about Danny 257 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.679 Garcia's You said everything he told the lie, the big 258 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.600 huge con. I mean, this is a story of con 259 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:59.399 men and talking about serious money with some serious people, 260 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:04.879 and then that in conning a lifetime of grifting. So 261 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:09.720 let's go back to how you met, where you Danny 262 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:13.440 Garcia in the protest, and who you met at the protest, 263 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.759 and the story that was told and established in your 264 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:17.799 mind at that time. 265 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.360 Yeah, So where Danny had sort of I guess you 266 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.080 could say, hooked me in. Was he mentioned to me 267 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.600 that several years back that he had been molested by 268 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.879 a very wealthy man in San Francisco by the name 269 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:40.000 of Thomas White, and that he was suing him, and 270 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.519 there was a protest coming in, and then, you know, 271 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:45.879 I felt sorry for the guy. I mean, it's a 272 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.159 horrible thing that I think could happen. That he claimed 273 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.519 you'd been drugged, and so that's that's sort of how 274 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.559 I I don't know, you just sort of feel bad 275 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.399 for somebody, and they seemed like a nice person, and 276 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.399 so I went there to support him, and and there 277 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.919 was his lawyer, a man by the name of David 278 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:08.880 rep Logo. And the protest was basically the fact that 279 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:14.400 one of the city supervisors uh domestic partners was the 280 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:21.640 lawyer for Thomas White, and that this particular lawyer was 281 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:27.839 basically making her money by by defending a child molester. 282 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.920 People magazine had done a story on him, The San 283 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:36.920 Francisco Chronicle had done a two Sunday story on him. 284 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.000 So everything that he was telling me was in press 285 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:46.200 and print, and it was it was purely believable. And 286 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:53.559 then following that case, they then filed a case down 287 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:59.279 in Mexico. Thomas White was big into philanthropy and would 288 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:06.440 was building a school for underprivileged children, and twenty two 289 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.799 boys came forward and stated that Thomas White had in 290 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:14.440 fact molested them, drug them and molested them. And Thomas 291 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:20.480 White was then sent to jail and the case began 292 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:22.240 to where they were going to get about a million 293 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:29.119 dollars a kid. And of course, you know the there 294 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.039 was never even a trial. And believe it or not, 295 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.880 Thomas White is still in jail. I just visited him 296 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:40.599 about three weeks ago and he's still there. And the 297 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.000 twenty two boys had come forward, they were all paid 298 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:45.839 to say it. The lawyer in Mexico who brought the 299 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:50.319 case to court was arrested and is actually in the 300 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.920 same jail. Now. It's just a tragic and sad story 301 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.200 for this man who at once, at one point had 302 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.880 everything and these guys just took it from him. 303 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.160 Yeah, we're talking of a very wealthy man. We're talking 304 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.359 about billionaire right. 305 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.680 In the one hundreds of millionaire, I would say. 306 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:16.200 Okay, okay, And the and the attorney was Carol Migdan 307 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:22.359 right and interest and in the protest. What I found 308 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.960 interesting in your book was the when you talk about 309 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:31.400 the the placards that were at that protest were Carol 310 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.799 Magdan's family earns thousands of dollars protecting a child rapist. 311 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.119 I mean, that's a pretty provocative placard. 312 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:41.720 Really Yeah. I picked up the attention of several of 313 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:46.039 the newspapers, including the Berry Reporter, And as a result 314 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.880 of that, I learned just in this last trip that 315 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:55.039 that Carol Mgdan's partner then basically stopped representing Tom and 316 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.119 left him, which left him lawyerless in Mexico at the time, 317 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.359 and so he has to get a new legal team. 318 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:09.279 So then they proceeded to actually hack into his stock accounts. 319 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:13.359 They sold the stock, they transferred the stock money to themselves, 320 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.039 and uh and and and cashed out the money. When 321 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.839 the ft I was called in the story that I 322 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.119 was told is that they looked at it and said, well, 323 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.880 you know, he's a he's a child blister. He gets 324 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.079 what he deserves and and we have other things to 325 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.759 work on. So you can almost call it the perfect 326 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:33.759 time mm hmmm. 327 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.599 And this, this this gentleman hacker was this guy they 328 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.519 called Brain and he was a hacker, and he was 329 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.440 a friend at Garcia, right Alec. 330 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:48.359 And he actually has a warrant of Mexico. UH listed 331 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.400 him as one of the uh defendants in this in 332 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.039 this extortion case that they just filed last month. 333 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.200 Now tell us about the I thought interesting too, is 334 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:02.960 uh the the elaborate scam with the art dealing the 335 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:07.119 art dealer. Yes, the famous painting that they said, geez, 336 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.400 you know, the Nazis are pretty embarrassed by this and 337 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:13.680 the uh uh you know Scottish museum or a major 338 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:17.000 art gallery in Scotland is you know, wants to sell 339 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.880 it and it's about that. 340 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:26.559 Yeah, it was another brilliant con. They had befriended a 341 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.680 an art dealer who had a client. It was a 342 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:35.480 Silicon Valley CFO executive and he had said that he 343 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:39.119 wanted this particular tangy painting. He did the research it 344 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.240 was it wasn't in the gallery where they said it was. 345 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.039 Had he done a deeper research, he would have discovered 346 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.000 that it wasn't for sale. But this was his art dealer. 347 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.839 This is the guy he's bought or he's bought millions 348 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.359 of dollars of paintings from in the past, so you know, 349 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:58.640 why would he lie and uh? But they were conning 350 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.839 the art dealer as well, and as soon as he 351 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:08.359 transferred four hundred thousand dollars in escrow to verify they 352 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.759 were going to shift the painting over and office authenticated, 353 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:17.119 and it never showed up, and the CFO was not 354 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.680 happy and began to call. And the art dealer realized 355 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.799 that after he had transferred all four hundred thousand dollars 356 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:28.839 to these con men, that he had been taken. And 357 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.400 it turns out that they all went to Las Vegas 358 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:35.640 right here and blew all the money at the Bilagio 359 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.920 And so there was Las Vegas. I ended up getting 360 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.640 the tax forms for all the greater than twelve hundred 361 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.599 dollars wins that they had when they were playing one 362 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:46.720 hundred dollars slot machines. 363 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.279 Yeah, incredible amount of money they spent in a few. 364 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.920 Days, right, amazing, Yes, yeah, yeah. 365 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.359 And what was their next course of business after that? 366 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:00.799 After they lose through that money? 367 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.119 So the you know, they had, they had a couple 368 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.079 of other scams going. They very much assembly lined them. 369 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.240 They were almost all going at the same time at 370 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:15.279 some point. But there was a Japanese tourist that Kushall 371 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.160 and I should maybe just elaborate a little bit on 372 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.359 Koushaw Marula. 373 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.160 He was introduced. 374 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.279 He was, yeah, he was a Nepalese immigrants. He came 375 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.680 on a student visa. He basically came and told everybody 376 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.759 that he was a prince. He was the prince of Nepal, 377 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.359 and he had everybody fool He had a British accent, 378 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:43.559 he dressed well, he was very charming, very royal in 379 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:49.279 his mannerisms. It was believable. And and so in that 380 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.079 process he had actually actually conned the New College of 381 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:57.200 San Francisco into believing that that that he was a 382 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:00.079 prince and that his family was going to donate a 383 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.599 lot of money to the college. And you know, yeah, 384 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.279 they butted that million dollars and spent it, and suddenly 385 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.799 the money didn't show up, and after thirty seven years, 386 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.720 the New College of San Francisco had to close its doors. 387 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.839 But yet, s yet Kushan remained in the country unexpired 388 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:25.359 student visa now and so but he managed to travel 389 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:29.759 around and he went to Hawaii met this Japanese tourist 390 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.599 who expressed a desire to have a visa to live 391 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.359 in the US. And Kushall had said, Hey, if you 392 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:39.359 invest in real estate, then I can get you your visa. 393 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:43.119 And so she opened an account at the Bank of Hawaii. 394 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.960 She transferred five hundred thousand dollars from her account in Japan, 395 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.079 and Kushal had taken you know, when you open a 396 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.079 new account and they give you those those temporary checks. 397 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.559 So Shaw managed to tear a few of those out 398 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:01.319 while she wasn't looking, and then wrote him out five 399 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:05.160 hundred thousand dollars dish in in checks, which he transferred 400 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.000 to his Bank of Hawaii accounts at the same bank. 401 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.440