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Speaker 2: Dire Wave three.

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Speaker 3: The arts reflect the soul. The spirit of the architecture

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reflects the soul the spirit, and so therefore you can

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see the degeneracy. You can see the degradation and the

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loss of aesthetics, the loss of the idea of there

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being harmony, order symmetry in esthetics. It's connected with the

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loss of a coherent and philosophy.

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Speaker 1: This this this this this, this this this this this

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this this this.

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Speaker 2: Is dire Wave three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. There we have now now we can have yeah,

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now there we have now there through.

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Speaker 3: Through all Right, maybe we make this work again if

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I can get them fools back on the screen. Welcome back, everybody.

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We're gonna try again.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Look at them boys up there. That's a letter con

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r there. They're like a letracon. Where were we in

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a world where trailers become reality like storms? Turn off

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the Wi Fi? Part two? Yeah, well, I don't know.

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I think for rock fan, I'll splice those two together,

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because I was having fun in the first thirty minutes

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there before we got rudely interrupted by Father lightning and

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mother thunderstorm. And I remember too, I forgot to talk

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about this A couple streams ago Jamie Gabby as a joke.

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The CIA Manual trickery interception. So now via going to

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borders books and finding this borders that don't exist, no

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more Barnes and Noble, the CIA Manual. Now we know everything.

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So we have the CIA's official manual from Barns and

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Nobles about trickery interception. But the reason this is funny

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is because it talks about there's a chapter in here

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about hiring the CIA hiring magician, right like stage magicians

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like John mcholland. John m'holland was a stage magic Joe

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Bluth basically teaching people, teaching the CIA tricks of the trade,

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sleight of hand, David Koppa Feel Kappa feel get it?

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David Kappa feel was a CIA Do you know that

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just joking, that's a joke. Harry Houdini was a spy

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though I believe he was a spy for Scotland yard

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is that right? If I remember mine Harry Houdini history,

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the Final Kiptain Letter, Remember Joe's theme song? What were

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we talking about? The courier. The courier Benedicte cover bats

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involved in the illegal mustache trade with the Russians before

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we were rudely interrupted by Gaya. So this deals with

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the story of Western recruit Old Legg Pinkowski, as we said,

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who was the KGB or shoot me, the Russian g

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r U, Russian military intelligence guy who is recruited supposedly

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because in the movie they make him a hero because

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he is worried about the West being nuked. But if

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you watch the documentaries on his real story, it was

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because he was mad that he didn't get enough awards.

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So he wasn't very happy with his Soviet awards. He

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didn't get enough badges and medals, so he wanted to

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do damage. And of course that's a typical kind of

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a recruitment thing where they look for anger at your

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home nation, anger at your sliding, being slighted in the

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military or in your profession, whatever it is, and so

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that becomes a weak point for you, that becomes a

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point of a pressure point. And we'll see that in

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the movie Mobius as well, which we're going to cover

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after this. As we said, four different films tonight, one

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of them a documentary, and this dealt with the recruitment

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not just of Olid Pinkowski, but the British liquor swilling

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businessman Greville Win. What more British name could you come

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up with than Greville? It goes grevill Winden, right, And

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as we saw in my rock Fin discussion of the

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Cambridge spy ring, quite a few of those uh no

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slow boys skittles boy boys over there, and worse, they

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ended up defecting Philby and a couple of several of them,

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I think it just died drunken their Moscow apartments. So

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they basically got awarded Moscow apartments and they just drank

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themselves to death. So there's a reason for this though,

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because the spy trade typically when it comes to this

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kind of stuff, compromising people secrets and whatnot, well you

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can imagine getting people all soused up on the sauce. Well,

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it's a good way to get people to start talking,

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because everybody who starts drinking get they drank on. Everybody

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starts drinking scissor up, they start spilling the beans, They

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blow the beans, they start blowing the beans. And if

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you're buzzed and you're blowing the beans, you start bragging, right,

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alcohol plays a big role, as does other types of drugging,

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getting people ready to get, getting people all randy, getting

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them frisky. Perhaps that might play a role. And one

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of our films tonight has the character of a honey trap,

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the Swallow, although it's unclear exactly whether she was that

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not exactly sure. And Mobius if the French CIA girl

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French American CIA girl, if she's supposed to be seducing him,

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but I think she doesn't know, right, aren't we supposed

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to think that she doesn't know that he was Russian

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intelligence at the end. And FSB But it's a little

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unclear anyway. But back to the Courier. So all of these,

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as we said tonight, they're gonna have a similar theme

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of fitting into the notion of not just that old

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canard of can you serve the state and keep that

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on the down low as you juggle your home life,

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as you juggle your domestic mundane activities, and the yapping

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of a wife who doesn't trust you and doesn't understand

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that you're saving the West, you're saving us from nukes.

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We're all gonna get nuked. If grebel Wynn hadn't been

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drinking with the Russian generals, that's what we're supposed to

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think anyway. So the public story that everybody got was

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Khrushchev and the Cuban missile crisis. Are you know, the

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nukes are at the back door, right, They're in the backyard.

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They're about to just start flying from Castro's cube over there.

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lot of this was all exaggerated. And the story that

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we have here, this hero story, is that if it

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weren't for Grevil Wynn and Olegg Pankowski, we would not

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in the West have known exactly the capabilities of the

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surface to air missiles that the Russians the Soviets possessed,

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and exactly how the systems work in Cuba. So they

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had the U two spy plane that went over, not

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Bono's utube, but the U two spy plane, which I

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think U two is named after. That, isn't it where

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they see the Soviet sam sites and they saw one

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in Cuba, but they didn't know how they worked. So

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Olegg comes in, because supposedly the story is in heroic fashion,

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he took pictures the manuals, the boring ass tech manuals

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with his little slide sixties camera and pass that on

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underneath them mustache of Benedict, Cucumber Snatch and the CIA

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m I six Handlers Save the West. Okay, so that's

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the story that we're supposed to believe, according to the

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mainstream narrative, according to this movie from nineteen sixty, right

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before the Cuban missile crisis. Right, so we'll look at

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a little bit of this. I was like, where's that

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chick from? Oh, she's the one from from Men. I

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didn't really care for Men. I'm sorry. A lot of

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people say, we're gonna analyze men dudes giving birth to

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other dudes who give birth to other dudes. Spoiler alert,

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just blew it up for you, just spoil that whole movie.

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sort of bizarre feminist message I don't even understand. I mean,

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heck is men? About the whole village. There's a bunch

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of evil patriarchy oppressors who oppress this woman for no

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reason because they're just evil patriarch And that's just what

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patriarchs do, is they just the evil patriarchy lives to

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do nothing but oppress the women NonStop. And turns out

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it's like some weird the green Man pops up and

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there's dudes that just give birth the dudes. I mean what,

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but whatever, dude, I didn't care for men.

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Speaker 5: And so uh, here we have the strdgy of British

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folkal that is studge It studge It.

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Speaker 3: Studgy, British intelligence folks recruiting. Benedict cucumber mustache, Benedict cumber mustache,

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cumber Stash, Benedict cumber Stash. And that's the guy who

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plays old Egg. Here's German General g r U Buddy

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and he's boring old businessman and they're like, you're we

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need you to put this recorder on your tie clip

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and get us the secrets that he's up to and

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transfer us the documents and the the microfilm and the

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blah blah blahlah blah. And you can imagine what happens.

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And of course they all get caught and his punishment

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is two years in the gulag and his wife visits him.

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I don't know how they would let his wife come

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visit him in a Russian gulag. I don't believe that

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that is what It doesn't make any sense. And then

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they let him out, so I think we can look

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and see probably a the real guy. I mean, he

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kind of looks like the real guy. I watched this today,

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which was pretty good going into the background of it,

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but that little video explains that it was here. Here's

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the video at the end of the movie, they show

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lets see if we can make this one work. But

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uh yeah, I mean again, as we said, these anti

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the anti Russian stuff comes out right now, and and

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that's clearly part of propaganda. It's part of the geopolitical

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agenda right now.

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Speaker 4: In prison.

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Speaker 3: So this is the real guy that Benedict cumber Stash

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cucumber Stash is playing. And this is after he's let

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loose from the East German Stasi prison. I guess that's

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more believable because it wasn't a Russian prison, right it

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was East German. So maybe it's believable that his wife

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could come visit him in the East German prison. But

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he doesn't look to punished and malnourished there like in

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the In the film Benedict cucumber Snatch turns into like

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Christian Bale in the Machinists, Like he goes straight up

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like Aids. You know what I'm saying. He turns into

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like a turns into like a just a skinny old thing.

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way that they talked about things. Is this a prison

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haircut is their interpretation of the haircut.

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Speaker 7: But it goes a little.

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Speaker 4: Less than as he is.

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Speaker 3: Now, When did you.

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Speaker 6: First in fact, they shaved heads, when to shave my hip?

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I was taken from this place in its brilliant this morning,

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this morning, this morning, extremely this morning at four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people. He does seem a little disoriented.

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that's in this They played this clip at the end

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of the film. But the most relevant thing here was

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that this is a timely piece of propaganda that that

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the things that we've seen in the last couple of years,

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especially the events in the Ukraine. So you get this

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never ending sort of cycle of the Russian threat film.

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before the internet cut out, they were even making like

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clancy movies about the IRA remember that. And I actually

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found a couple of other spy movies that were forgotten

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about the secret Iris Republican Army terish that are supposedly

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gonna infiltrate and take downical saying, I mean, this is

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just ridiculous, right. But the main point here is that

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if you watch the document the little documentary clip here,

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it points out that what we see in most people's analysis,

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which is that it was exaggerated. The Soviet capabilities were exaggerated.

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They have some CIA guy in here and being like, yeah,

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we thought that they had on a scale of power

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they had a ten, and he said, turns out it

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that hyped up, as we know from the whim Hoff book,

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to get the Cold War continued to keep it going, right,

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National Security memoranda that really kicks off supposedly the technical

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Cold War. But the point is that they wanted this continued,

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what eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety ninety one, because

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they were pushing for what they called the Third Way,

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what we are getting now with Great Reset is essentially

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that it's basically a version of a morphed version of

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what the Third Way was supposed to be. Right, and

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that's why people get confused and they can't figure out

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what's going on in the nWo and they're still caught

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up in their Republican democrat dialectic because they can't figure

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out that the right wing or think it's the comedies

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and the socialists, right, and then the libtards think that

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it's what corporate ely corporations you take. But now, of

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course they actually like the corporation. So corporations are cool

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according to the left because of you know, skittles or whatever.

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So just brand it right, and it doesn't matter what

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your policies are, even even though the left, like literally

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five years prior, hated corporations, right, Fortune one hundred like

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the enemies. Now they're all cool though, So no problems there.

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Everything's good. We're all good to go. Fortune one hundred bros.

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Everything's cool anyway. So long story short, gravel when it

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really is a master stroke of propaganda in a way,

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because the idea being this normal, boring business man right

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forward of the West, and what better hero than a

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businessman right to represent the West thwarted the evil machinations

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of the statist Soviet monsters of the yeast. Now again,

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but that's not the that's not the point. The point

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is that the narrative of grebel Wynd is clearly a

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stroke of propaganda. I mean, who actually believes that this

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bumbling businessman right who basically can't I mean, his marriage

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is basically falling apart. He seems to be an alcoholic basically,

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but somehow the fate of the Western world is upon

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his shoulders and he powered.

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Speaker 5: He powers through what old British resolve, He powers through

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what stodgy British resolve.

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Speaker 3: Here powers through and saves the day with that ridiculous mustache.

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So from a fictional movie perspective, it's not a bad movie.

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It's pretty pretty fun. The art direction is really well done.

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It definitely feels like it's the early sixties, and they

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accurately capture the spirit of the British studginess.

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Speaker 5: There is stodgy, there is dodgy. Quite a bit dodgy,

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you say, I do say quite stodgy and dodgy. You'll

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say it, Jamie, could you bring me a glass of water?

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Speaker 3: Impersonating stodgy British men has made me cough a lot.

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And as I was pointing out, if you want a

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deeper analysis into this, then you go over to my

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rock fin and you watch the Occult Spies lecture where

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we got into the Cambridge five really deep. We got

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really deep into the Cambridge spy ring and how that

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also touched on the Occult. One of the films that

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we watched tonight touched on the Occult and I didn't

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expect it at all. Spy who came in from the

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colt That was weird, right, the Occult bookstore as a

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front interesting. So we'll get to that in a second.

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But I did want to mention, thank you. The Brits

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are attacking me because of my impressions. Yeah, heah, attack

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this man with nanopollans. How dah he? How dare he

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call a stogie? Make him call for right now? I

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wanted was there anything else? I wanted to get to

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play a little bit of this clip about Olegg and

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you'll see my point.

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Speaker 9: As the Cold War intensified through the nineteen fifties, pressure

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on the CIA increased. The West was desperate for detail

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about the size and strength of Soviet forces glimpsed and

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photographed at Moscow air shows or May Day parades. It

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was the Soviet missile force which worried the CIA most

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and about which they knew the least.

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Speaker 10: This photograph was taken and the hosts kipping had a

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bit in London in April nineteen sixty one after one

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of our meetings, where Pankoshkian left meander right enjoying a

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small glass of wine.

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Speaker 3: So that's the real Olegg there. This is a CIA contact,

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not the gravel wind Benedict character.

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Speaker 9: Pankowski provided further reassurances about the limitations of Soviet power.

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Speaker 10: Well, there were still a serious threat, no question about it.

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They were strong militarily, absolutely strong militarily, but they were

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not as strong as our estimators had felt, and he

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helped us bring it down to the level where they

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really were. They were not ten feet tall. They were

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about my size ship for two.

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Speaker 3: So as you can see, as this is pointed out

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by a lot of people, quickly points this out that

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the threat was exaggerated. It was exaggerated by the Cold

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warriors for the purpose of the Cold War. And one

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of the other films I think, yeah that the Colby

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documentary brings up in the American Century right, Henry Loose

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Sculling Bones is propaganda, pr selling of the terminology the

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American Century right. That was all part of Henry loose

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Is propaganda, and that was a big conglomeration on the

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part of Rockefeller Foundation, their control of the WASP world

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and the utilization of Vatican Two in the Roman Catholic

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Church to make it into basically an NGO for Americanism,

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and that was a big piece of understanding Vatican Two.

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If you don't understand that, you really can't understand the

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totality of Vatican Two. And I could. I was surprised,

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in fact, two different people had said watch this Colby

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documentary because it really backs up a lot of what

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you talk about, well backs up what Wimhoff talks about

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right in his books, and that's the geopolitical espionage angle.

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That you can't understand these elements without right. I mean

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you could if you if you're a sperg and you're

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a theology nerd, you think all of this is just about, uh,

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you know, getting the precise theology right. That's not what

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all this is about.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: The world is bigger than that. I think in the

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big picture, that's ultimately what matters. But it's sort of

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like in the Doune novel, we have this principle that

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I'm getting at at work there where most of the

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people engaged in the espionage and the courtly intrigue. They

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don't believe the prophecies. They don't believe the prophecies about

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the quisas hot Rock. They just think it's ways to

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manipulate the population on the part of the state, the Harconans, right,

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the Emperor, the witch Guild of Benny Jesuits. They see

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Paul and the whole prophecy about Paul as just some

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tool to manipulate. It's just a way to control people.

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And that's fitting because a lot of people think of

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religion that way, right, especially people in the State. The

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attitude of the state towards religion is how is this

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useful for power politics? They don't care about whether it's

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true or false. In fact, I'm sure most of them

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think that it's false. So they're not idealistic. And we're

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gonna find Richard Burton, in an excellent line from The

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spoy Came from the Cold explaining this attitude of the

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state to espionage, to spycraft into what that really is

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and how people are sold on this ridiculous, romantic notion

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of basically a job that is like a cop turning

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people into confidential informants. That's all it is. Okay, it's

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just co opting people into confidential informant work on a

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macro scale, that's it. So it's not that glamorous. Right,

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we're not talking about James Bond. We're talking about I

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don't know, what's some stupid ass cop drama. Right, that's

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much more realistic, right, where the cops are trying to

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get somebody to be their ci Okay, that's what's really

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going on here. But this is an important angle. Just

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think about all of the sexual issues in the Roman

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Catholic church. Okay, not all of it, but a big

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part of that. What do you think that is? What

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are other operations where we might have seen something like that?

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Jeff Stein McAffrey, what is that? Well, that's blackmail. You

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don't think high profile cardinals popes should be perhaps blackmailed? Well,

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if you're thinking on the vantage point of power politics,

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duh did? What did you think? Right? And we saw

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again multiple situations in my long Cambridge spy Ring where

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we also covered Robert Maxwell's just Lane's dad. We covered

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Victor Child remember that, and other characters that Antony Sutton

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speaks about in his works. People quickly tell about who

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were kind of above. They were sort of a strata

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above the Cold War dialectic, because in the Cold War dialectic,

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people bought into the idea of where the good guys

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are the bad guys at the side. So where the

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good guys are the bad guys. And it's true that

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Bolshevism and Communism and Sovietism are inherently atheistic. But is

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the Western monopoly capitalist system any less atheistic? I'm not

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sure it is. Maybe at one point you can make

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this argument. I don't know. I didn't live I live

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part of my life in the Cold War when I

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was a kid, But I just don't know that with

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what we've seen the fortune one hundred slash five hundred

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roll out globally, that there really is any difference at

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the top. And I think that's the main point here.

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So you know, they they found the pressure point with

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Pankowski that apparently he was bitter about not getting enough

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medals and badges hanging off of his suit or whatever,

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and so he was a pressure point, a node, a

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choke point by which they could supposedly get the manuals

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that told the West how the SAMs worked. That's at

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least the public story that we have with this. But

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in my analysis, you know, really this is just a

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timely piece of propaganda that comes out so decent as

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a film worth watching, but not anything really spectacular or

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particularly insightful. However, I will point out that it is

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fairly common that you find people recruited to do this

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kind of stuff that you wouldn't expect. So that is

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something that the film gives us an insight into. That

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is a real world thing where you know, people who

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you wouldn't think our spies are clearly obviously recruited. I

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have old intelligence textbooks that I bought that talk about

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that right to talk about instructions giving to people who

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are learning tradecraft, that it might be beneficial for you

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to recruit an academic, You might want to recruit a CEO,

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you might want to recruit a bell hop. Okay, if

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you read Gordon Thomas's books, you'll find out that pretty sure,

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in the case of Henri Paul and a bell hop,

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that played a pretty significant role in the Diana incident.

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At least that's what Gordon Thomas records in one of

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his books that has a significant chapter on Diana and

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why might a bell hop be an important person. Well, obviously,

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if you wanted to run some kind of operation, a

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bell hop will be a perfect person to let you

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know when they've checked in and when they've checked out,

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or when they've left to go to the evening event

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to drive in the underpass where that A S S

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A S S I N A T I O want

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in took place? Duh? I mean, who actually believes that

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it was just a random accident? I mean really? And

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also in the case of the suspicious passing of whim Colby,

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I mean, so he's an accomplished sailor and he just

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floats off one night and watches it, watched the body

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washes up. I'm not I don't buy that. And he's

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an interesting, complicated character, and I hadn't really paid much

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attention to Kolby. We'll get to the Kobe documentary a second,

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but next it's called The Man, The Man Nobody Knew.

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I do recommend watching it because it does really vindicate

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a lot of the analysis of especially wim Hoff, and

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a lot of what we talked about too. But before

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we do that, I wanted to cover Mobius, which is

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the Jean Dodunjardinjardunjardin, Tim Roth film, independent film. I think

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it's either a French or Belgian movie. I can't remember,

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but uh again, something kind of a little closer to

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reality when it comes to the world of espionage as

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opposed to you know, James Bond and so you know,

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in the last stream, I think we did a couple

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of Lacara. We did Philip Simour hopkins last movie, Most

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Wanted Man, and that's a Lacare story, and we did

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one of his other ones. I forget what. I didn't

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care for that new one with you McGregor, and I

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think it was very good. It was pretty boring. And

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this is in the same vein right, I mean, I

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don't remember. This is foreign directors, but it's a more

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accurate portrayal of what actually goes on in this domain.

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And going back and watching this since it I watched

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it when it came out, and I remember being sort

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of fascinated with us. It was a really well made

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spy film. But now knowing a lot of what I

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know about that time period in about the two thousands,

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early in middle two thousands and what went on with

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Russian the oligarch. Shall we say that actually is a

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big part of this movie, and the tim Roth character

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is there is a Russian oligarch. Russian oligarch, right, I

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didn't even notice that? Like it, that's all like really obvious.

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Now going back and watching this and if you've not

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seen this, I do recommend this movie. I'll put the

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trailer for you and if you have seen it, maybe

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you can help me understand. I don't understand if the

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blonde chick was Was she a swallow? I mean, the

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CIA said her mission was to embed her in the

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circles of FSB and then to recruit an FSB handler

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to be a spy for the CIA, But it's un

472
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,000
I mean, I'm guessing that at the end she's crying

473
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:37,320
because she didn't know who the handler was and who

474
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,360
they were really after? Is that what we're supposed to think?

475
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,840
And then she's crying because it ends up being him?

476
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:43,440
But how was that not obvious?

477
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:43,679
Speaker 1: Like?

478
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: Who did she? Didn't she right away think he was

479
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,840
Russian intelligence? I mean, and he was like no, I'm

480
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,960
a publisher, come on. I mean, so that was always

481
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,079
unclear about I can't understand how she didn't know that

482
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:04,239
he was behind that he was running this operation. But

483
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,440
I think that's what we're supposed to think. And so

484
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,760
she didn't know, then she wasn't a swallow. But if

485
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,840
she did know, then she was a honey trap. And right,

486
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,480
I mean I thought America has always trying to project

487
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,679
the image, Oh, we don't do that, right, Russians do

488
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,760
the sexpionage. We don't do that, We would never do that. Really,

489
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:30,599
come on, who believes that? So Monica looks pretty badass?

490
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,079
I mean if that, I mean Monica looks like basically

491
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,880
like europe Florida. Right, European Florida. That's pretty it's pretty sweet.

492
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,039
I'll take that. And so here you have showing obviously

493
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:47,679
he's Russian intelligence. He's going to with his team try

494
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,960
to go after the Russian oligard character. Right, So tim Rof,

495
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:57,000
the Russian oligard character, has enemies in the Kremlin who

496
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,880
want to go after him and boot him, and he'll

497
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,880
have to go stay in the UK. Well, this is

498
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,360
more or less based in reality. This is kind of

499
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,440
what happened. This is a big part of why there's

500
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,000
tension between oligarchs who left Russia to go to the

501
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:18,400
UK and vlad so some curious sort of real world

502
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:24,360
stuff going on there, and so we think for at

503
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,039
least the first portion of the film that this is

504
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:35,800
ultimately about the CIA blonde girl recruit going after the

505
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,039
Tim Rowth character as well, because she her legend, her

506
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:43,800
cover is that she committed derivatives financial scam crimes and

507
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,239
so she can't come back to the US, so she

508
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,079
has to work in a foreign bank, you know, trading

509
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,800
basically and trying to do swing trades or something. Anyway,

510
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:56,920
that's not what she's up to. Obviously, she's CIA. And

511
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:02,000
though she ends up being the honey track for the

512
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Jean dou Jardine character, whether she intended or not, I'm

513
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:11,000
not sure. But his boss, the FSB guy who wants

514
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,800
to be the head of the FSB, his boss keeps

515
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,599
telling him she is a honeytrap. She is the problem.

516
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:25,320
Don't stop seeing her, and he can't resist because she

517
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,599
plays him perfectly, and he ends up the whole operation

518
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:37,360
gets compromised. Basically, well, the operation actually ends up being success,

519
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,639
but he ends up compromised. He ends up having to

520
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,519
work for the CIA, He gets turned, he gets flipped,

521
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:51,920
and they poison her, which was surprised. I've forgotten about that. Uh,

522
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,840
I mean the whole The most revealing scene in the

523
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,599
film is when he shows up to the dinner and

524
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,679
she's there, and so he's been deceive. But it's kind

525
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,280
of funny because you know, how did he not see this?

526
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:11,880
Like it was so obvious that she was a spy?

527
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,599
I mean, it's right, but I think again, everybody loves

528
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,760
this dynamic in the spy films. It's like it's like

529
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,480
the angry chief in a cop film, right, Like, you

530
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,800
can't have a cop movie without an angry chief yelling

531
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,360
and cussing, right, and give me your badge, right, turn

532
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
it in, give me your gun and your badge. Never

533
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,400
have a cop film without that, right. Well, in the

534
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,039
same way you can have a spy film where like

535
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,880
the spy isn't blinded by the love of his love

536
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,199
interests versus his country.

537
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:42,519
Speaker 4: Right.

538
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,599
Speaker 3: This is just classic but really really should have been

539
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,039
pretty obvious. But maybe we think he did know, right,

540
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:51,880
Maybe he did know deep down that he was making

541
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,239
a mistake. But he wants out right, just like again

542
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,000
another spy movie trope. He wants out. They keep pulling

543
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,719
me back in, right, like Michael Corleone, Right every time

544
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,199
I try to get out, they keep pulling me back in.

545
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,440
Remember that dude. That dude was like the He was

546
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,760
on top for a while, Jean de Jardins with the artist,

547
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,199
and then he just kind of disappeared, Like whatever happened

548
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,000
to that dude? Where's he at? He won? He won

549
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,000
the oscar for the artist and he was like the

550
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,119
coolest dude, and then he I guess he went back

551
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:37,920
to France. I don't know, but anyway, but that's uh, essentially,

552
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,079
that's the essence of that film. I don't think I can.

553
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,719
There's a couple of interesting symbolic elements that I noticed

554
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,039
this time watching it that I didn't catch the first time,

555
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:54,960
which was it moves from Club Destiny to Club Apocalypse.

556
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,239
Did you notice the bars that they go to, And

557
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,039
there's a weird twist where it's sort of like at

558
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,880
Club Destiny they're getting along when he meets her and

559
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:10,559
she's starting to seduce him, and he tells her, you know,

560
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:12,000
I went out of this life. I want to go

561
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,000
do something different. Let's run away to Canada, Let's run

562
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:21,920
away to wherever, and she remarks about his destiny and

563
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,920
then he says, I know a better borrow, let's go

564
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,840
to a club Apocalypse, so you should have stayed in

565
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,400
Club Destiny. I don't know why he wanted to move

566
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,800
to Club Apocalypse, but they moved to Club Apocalypse, and

567
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,039
that's where everything goes downhill. Things get worse and worse

568
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:42,840
and worse. We even have the bad guys explaining about

569
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,960
the blond CIA agent that she's a sneaky bitch. Right,

570
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:53,000
the head of security for tim Roff is suspicious of

571
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:59,719
her and says she's a sneaky bitch, and she is. However,

572
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,480
this ends up with her being poisoned. If you remember,

573
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,679
she ends up poisoned. Her real name, according to her

574
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:19,800
CIA handle is Alice Alice in Wonderland mind Control, and

575
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:25,719
her whole mission was again to infiltrate Russian intelligence and

576
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:33,280
to flip Jean Doujardine, which she does. So overall really

577
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:40,599
good film, fairly realistic spy world, portrayal Russian oligarchs, c

578
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,280
I a f SB again. It kind of ends up

579
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,400
being a sort of a propagandist type of movie because

580
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:56,920
Jean Jardine has to become CIA to find his way home, right,

581
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,880
so he he's flipped by the CIA. Doesn't really like it,

582
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,599
but there's redemption at the end for him because when

583
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,760
he goes to meet her in the hospital after she's

584
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,199
been poisoned, she's brain damaged, but she recognizes his big

585
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,039
strong arms. That was a little cheesy. I would have

586
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:21,360
preferred a less cheeseball ending for the movie. Either she

587
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,360
should have died and he gets out of the life,

588
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,840
or they run away. That would have even been better

589
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,159
than this cheeseball thing where she feels his arms and

590
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,360
that triggers her memory to come back. I mean, this

591
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,119
is just corny. So why do you want to have

592
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,920
such a realistic spy film and then this cornball element.

593
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,599
I don't know, but it is what it is. It

594
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,079
is worth watching decent spy film. I think you would

595
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,639
enjoy it. By the way, it was tim Roth that

596
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:51,159
poisoned her, right, which is interesting because I'm pretty sure

597
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,320
probably Russian oligarks do poison people. So the media tells

598
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,599
us that Russian intelligence is running around poisoning everybody. I'm

599
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,239
not sure about that. I think it's probably other intelligence

600
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,280
agency's running around doing this and saying right that the

601
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,159
Russians are doing everything, And is she the honey trap?

602
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,519
Can has anybody seen this movie, Can you enlighten me?

603
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,280
I can't figure out if she is the honey trap.

604
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,079
I mean when Tim Roff has her poison and he's like,

605
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,440
you know, kill the whore, all right, so he seemed

606
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,679
to think she was, but it was it was hard

607
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,920
to say. All right, let's move on to our next

608
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,599
movie and then the documentary. By the way, you can

609
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,440
support the show via superchats. The superchats are done through

610
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,159
the I took a bunch of notes on this. We're

611
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:48,559
notes through the stream labs link. So you use the

612
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stream labs link in the show description to send super

613
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,079
chats to support the show. We've had two so three

614
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,400
so far, so far, that's pretty good. Where is everybody tonight?

615
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,360
What's more interesting? I mean, so only two hundred people

616
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,320
want to know how the world really works? Like everybody

617
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,480
else is watching what Elmo videos? What are people on

618
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:15,280
YouTube watch valsh Elmo? What else is there to watch? Well,

619
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,679
at least we have over two hundred people who have

620
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,320
high IQs who want to learn real stuff and not

621
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,239
mouth breathing, drooling, tard level stuff with everyone else. But

622
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,079
the spy you came in from the cold? Interesting? Another

623
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,000
in the George Smiley series, although Smiley doesn't play a

624
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,440
central role here, it's sort of characters in the orbit

625
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,920
of George Smiley, the Lacar, a character clearly based on

626
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:52,760
him to some degree, who then must interact with again

627
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,880
East Germans. So more of is the is Gentleman spy

628
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:04,079
and that not the NA but now the Stazi's East

629
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:10,559
German Stazi. And we get some fascinating R. A, C.

630
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,559
Speaker 4: I A L.

631
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: Jokes and interplay going on in this that probably would

632
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,360
not be allowed nowadays. Of course, he's just writing about

633
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,960
the realities of Cold War espionage, and we find a

634
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:35,599
rivalry between a how should we say it, a certain

635
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,840
character and a German character. And so this is an

636
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,639
extremely intricate plot. We know in most of the spy

637
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,400
films that we cover there's really intricate plots, and here

638
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,800
we have Richard Burton playing a British intelligent agent, intelligence

639
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,559
agent who is stationed in East Germany and is running

640
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:59,239
a guy in Shumi station and he's in West German.

641
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,199
He's running an agent in East Germany who tries to

642
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,199
come across the wall and is shot, and he shot

643
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:12,719
because his opposite for the East German Stasi, Munt caw

644
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,079
Munt is the most cunning of the East German Stasi,

645
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,079
and he spoiled his agent and operation. And so Richard

646
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:29,239
Burton is burnt out and depressed and heads back to

647
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,519
his handler and says, he's foiled us again. What can

648
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,079
we do? And some British intelligence comes up with a

649
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:39,800
plot to get back at Munt, because how Munt is

650
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,079
too clever? How do we stop Camunt? And so they

651
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:48,039
devise a clever plot, which actually it's a super clever

652
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,960
It's a sixty six D chess. Right, this is the

653
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,760
kind of plot that people and the Q crap thought

654
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,159
Trump was up to. Right, this is what they thought

655
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,800
was going on. Right, dimension of chest, It's gonna be wonderful.

656
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 4: Really, it's great.

657
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: It's awesome. Swendy for the sixty sixty dimensions and playing

658
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,039
the U right when it was more like three point

659
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,800
five D chess being played, right, not sixty six. Well,

660
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,280
here it's actual sixty six dimensional chess being played. And

661
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,920
the plot is let's see if we can summarize it,

662
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,880
boil it down. So they're going to play on the

663
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,679
fact that they lost their agent and that Richard Burton

664
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,360
is depressed and beaten and so they reassign him in

665
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:43,360
a communist hot spot at an occult bookstore. However, his

666
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:52,440
drunken depression binge burnt out persona is a legend itself,

667
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,760
the legend being the story that's concocted. He's not actually

668
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,639
that he is still working in his position.

669
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,039
Speaker 4: We think.

670
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 3: To now infiltrate under this clever legend as a burnt

671
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,400
out angry at his own government guy who's now going

672
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,880
to be a librarian and an occult bookstore. Now this

673
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,400
isn't really they don't go into this in the story

674
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:22,960
very much. I've not read this book, by the way.

675
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,719
I read a different I read the book that's the

676
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,079
basis for Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. I read that Lakari book.

677
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,719
I haven't read this one. So I've only seen this movie.

678
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,400
But so I don't know if it goes into anymore

679
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,159
in the in the book, but in the movie it's

680
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:46,320
said to be a bookstore for the Society for Psychical Research.

681
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,000
And if you're remember in quickly quickly talks about how

682
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,000
the British elite, the aristocracy, royal society asked or Cliveden

683
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,440
set they were really into this too. Well, this is

684
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:04,960
fascinating because the Bolsheviks were really into these things. So

685
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,599
you had this weird confluence of people that we covered

686
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:13,760
with the talk that we did on Nicholas roar Rick, Wallace, Bolshevism,

687
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:23,039
Gleb Boky, Madam Blovatski of the all of those occult Bolshevis.

688
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,280
And then we also have this high level British establishment

689
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,880
crew that are also into the same occult stuff. And

690
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,400
some of them thought that the Society for Psychical Research

691
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,960
and Mentalism would be the religion of the New Age. Right.

692
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,320
That was an odd thing that we saw in Quigley. Right,

693
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,719
I was surprised to see him saying that they thought

694
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,599
that would that that's what would be the religion of

695
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,679
the New Age. Even one of them mentioned Christian science

696
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,840
being the possible New Age religion, which is wacky, goofy stuff.

697
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,079
Speaker 4: Right.

698
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: But in this film, the bookstore, the Society for Psychical Research,

699
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,480
it's it's a hotbed of commies, right. And so Richard

700
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,519
Burton is then tasked with seducing Nan. And Nan is

701
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:25,719
really the outer orbit of East German Communists Soviets.

702
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: Right.

703
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: She's a member of the party, but she's the lowest

704
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,800
kind of street level dupe who is idealistic and actually

705
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,960
believes in the cause, right, And so when they as

706
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,920
soon as they meet and they have their little you know,

707
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,519
dinner drinking dalliance, like, he's already laughing at her because

708
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:47,880
she actually believes the ideology of the Soviets, and she's

709
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,360
into disarmament. She has these big posters up and she's

710
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,480
talking about disarmament and how she actually thinks that the

711
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,960
Soviets are going to rid the world of nukes and

712
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,599
bring about peace and make an end to war, which

713
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:07,360
is odd because the whole idea of Sovietism Marxism is

714
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:13,280
perpetual struggle, perpetual strife, perpetual war. So but apparently, I

715
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,280
think what we're supposed to think is that the Soviets

716
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:23,960
had done a significant job in foreign operations and convincing

717
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,039
the target populations that they were peace movements, right, So

718
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,400
they were funding peace movements, funding a lot of the

719
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:36,920
leftist causes, and this convinced Nan as this sort of young,

720
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,320
idealistic character to go along. But now she's a tool.

721
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,679
She's a pawn for Richard Burton to seduce her, and

722
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,039
he is a kind of a as they call it,

723
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,039
a raven So a guy who seduces women in espionage

724
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,840
as a raven. The girls a swallow, so he's a

725
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,239
kind of a raven here, and he seduces Nan, but

726
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,320
Nan isn't really She's obviously not a target. She doesn't

727
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,719
know anything. Nan is merely a means to the next

728
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:11,920
person who approaches him after hanging out with Nan and says, hey,

729
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,639
you're a drunk ex soldier, you know, government employee. We

730
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,960
have a charity network that we want to set you

731
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:24,039
up with. And he's also a skittles man, so we

732
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:28,360
find out that. Again more realism comes in because many

733
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,599
of these Soviet spies, especially in Victor Child's network, we're

734
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,719
skittles men. And that's partly how they were controlled and

735
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:42,719
handled and run because their vices allowed them to be

736
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,760
controlled at that time, especially right I'm saying allowed to

737
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,199
be controlled because that was considered illegal at least at

738
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:56,559
that time publicly. And my allergies are going nuts, dude.

739
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,599
Once it rains, Paul and BOYD comes out and then

740
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:07,599
I can't. I can barely function anyway. So this is

741
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,639
really intricate plot. So I had to explain all this.

742
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:16,920
So then uh, he moves from the skittles dude to

743
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,440
the next guy who sets him up with a meeting

744
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:30,000
with Karamunt and Karamuntz underling, the the Jewish guy, I

745
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:34,400
don't remember his name, but British intelligence has figured out

746
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:40,119
that because the underling to Munt is a Jewish guy,

747
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,719
because Mount was formerly part of the inn Asi youth,

748
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:51,360
there's a rivalry there and the Jewish KGB guy would

749
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:56,480
like to unseat Kermunt, who is now East German Stasi,

750
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,679
and so British intelligence play and they cook up this

751
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:07,920
extremely elaborate plot where Richard Burton appears to be defecting

752
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:13,159
or aiding the KGB and he's ready to sell state secrets.

753
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:17,679
He's ready to give over all this information for a price,

754
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:21,559
so he really plays up what the KGB would perceive

755
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,360
the bourgeoisie trader to be. Right, all they want is money,

756
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,199
they will only take. All they want is better money. Well,

757
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:36,079
this is all a ruse by British intelligence and Cadamount

758
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,559
figures all this out, but the KGB are stuck in

759
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,599
this position then when they'll have to choose between Caramunt

760
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,960
and the Jewish KGB officer East German Sasey, who wants

761
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:51,239
to get rid of Munt, and so then we have

762
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,320
the famous courtroom scene, and this is one of the

763
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,440
best scenes in the film, although John Leacare said it

764
01:01:56,519 --> 01:02:00,519
was really ridiculous and exaggerated, like the show trial. So

765
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:05,360
it's an interesting show trial but not realistic. He says,

766
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,360
they wouldn't have really done it that way. And it

767
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,480
all comes down, of course to the Actually it's very

768
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:16,679
hitchcock esque. It's a very Hitchcockian scene where in the

769
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,440
show trial Richard Burton is there and they bring in

770
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:25,719
their surprise witness, who is Nan, right, his girlfriend, Nan

771
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,320
doesn't know why she's there, and they ask her, does

772
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,119
Richard Burton know a guy named George Smiley? And she's

773
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,039
like yeah, right, And this of course gives away the

774
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:42,000
fact that Richard Burton is not who he claimed to be.

775
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,360
He was not actually there to sell state secrets, but

776
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,679
that he had a covert operation which was to unseat

777
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,400
and destroy Mount, and the plot involved the accusation that

778
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,840
Mount was a British intelligence agent and this is what

779
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:01,400
the Jewish Stasi agent had covered to try to get

780
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:08,000
rid of Munt. Then final reveal, big plot twist, turns

781
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:13,679
out guess what Richard Burton was used and was lied

782
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,760
to by British intelligence because Hadamunt actually was a British

783
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,280
intelligence spy the whole time and that had been hidden

784
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:28,760
from him. And at the end burnt out, betrayed and

785
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,280
unhappy with his own masters and unwilling to defect to

786
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,039
the East Room and Stazzy, and then losing his girlfriend

787
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,920
who is caught up in this. And by the way,

788
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:46,639
his handlers had promised him that his girlfriend would not

789
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,760
be hurt because she was just an idealistic dupe. She

790
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,400
ends up shot trying to cross the wall, and then

791
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,679
he's frozen there between the wall in a very symbolic scene.

792
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,119
As he's climbing over the easter German, Stazzi are telling

793
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,920
him go back right, the British are telling him, come on,

794
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,400
hurry up, and he's just frozen there. And then he

795
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:13,199
decides to go to get back on the easter German's

796
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:17,239
side and be shot. And the reason for this is

797
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,719
because there is a scene. Let me see, if I

798
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,079
gotta find the right scene, there's this specific I think

799
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:25,000
it's this car scene.

800
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 4: This is it.

801
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: This is the most revealing scene in the movie that

802
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:35,480
tells us really what I don't think this is actually

803
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:35,719
is this?

804
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: This is it?

805
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the reality of this whole thing, this

806
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:40,039
whole point of it right here?

807
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,519
Speaker 11: How big does it course have to be before you

808
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:43,320
kill your friends?

809
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: Oh, that's not it. The car scene is the most

810
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:57,079
important scene, right, That's what I'm trying to play. I

811
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:05,360
thought that was it. Let's say if you can find

812
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:16,320
that clerk, because maybe that says a yeah, good waiting here?

813
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:22,599
Speaker 6: Why didn't want let me go?

814
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm a risk to him?

815
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 4: Now?

816
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,639
Speaker 7: As you said, it was a bargain.

817
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:30,559
Speaker 8: Oh you know me, what was my part in all this?

818
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 12: I want to know.

819
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,599
Speaker 7: You were appalling in the plot. London knew it was

820
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:37,559
no good just killing.

821
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,639
Speaker 3: Feedler, pawing the plot.

822
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 7: He killed people who just started asking about Oh why

823
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:47,880
maybe told friends perspected? Maybe eleven notes, incriminating notes. Love

824
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:52,639
had to eliminate suspicion, public rehabilitation. That's what they organized, Vermont.

825
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,039
I was sent to discredit him. He was sent to

826
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:56,679
discredit me.

827
01:05:58,239 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 11: And Love.

828
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: We made it very easy for them. They used us.

829
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 7: They cheated us both because it was necessary. Fiedler was

830
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:14,719
nearly home already. It hadn't been for us would have

831
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,320
been killed. They were bloody clever all the way down

832
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,840
the line. They were bloody, clever.

833
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 9: Clever, they were foul.

834
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,239
Speaker 11: How can you turn the world upside down?

835
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 9: What rules are you playing?

836
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 11: There's only one rule, expediency. Mount gives London what it needs.

837
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,880
So Fiedla dies and Mount lives. It was a foul,

838
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:35,519
foul operation, but it paid off.

839
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:36,239
Speaker 4: Who for.

840
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,119
Speaker 11: What the hell do you think spies are moral philosophers

841
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:42,679
measuring everything they do against the word of.

842
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: God or God? Where do you think spies are moral

843
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,199
philosophers measuring everything they do against the words of God

844
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,239
or Karl Marx?

845
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,679
Speaker 11: They're not just a bunch of CDs squalid.

846
01:06:53,360 --> 01:07:00,639
Speaker 3: Bustards, CDs CD squalid bastards, drunkard skills men husbands?

847
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 11: Is it like monks in the sale? Balancing right against wrong?

848
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,559
Yesterday I would have killed and an enemy, but not today.

849
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,320
Today is evil and my friend London needs him. They

850
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,639
need him so that the great moronic messes you admire

851
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,400
so much can sleep soundly in their flea bitten beds again.

852
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,679
They need him for the safety of old may crummy

853
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:21,440
people like you and me?

854
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:22,119
Speaker 4: You killed?

855
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 11: How big does the cause have to be before you

856
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:25,760
kill your friends?

857
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:27,079
Speaker 12: What about your party?

858
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 11: There's a few million bodies on that path.

859
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:36,519
Speaker 3: And so there you go the classic scene from that

860
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:39,639
movie where Richard Burton really gives the essence of the

861
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:43,639
spy trade away. What's it really about. It's really about

862
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:51,000
betraying people. It's really about expediency, it's about uh control.

863
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,280
There's a similar scene in the village, right the global village.

864
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:59,239
In the village, do you remember that scene? And I'm

865
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:10,079
assuming the prison because the whole thing that number six

866
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:17,560
has to figure out is that there's not two sides.

867
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,520
There's one side. Here you go, there are no words,

868
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:30,279
and really, I mean again, I can't stress that enough

869
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,479
that the great reset all of this really shows that

870
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:38,760
this was a dialectic, was it not.

871
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 7: Has it ever occurred to you that you're just as

872
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,000
much a prisoner as I, my dear, Yeah.

873
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,079
Speaker 12: Of course I knew too much where both lifers. I

874
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,359
am definitely an optimist. That's why it doesn't matter who

875
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,960
number one is. It doesn't matter which side runs the village.

876
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 7: It's run by one side or the other.

877
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,239
Speaker 12: Certainly, but both sides are becoming identical. What in fact

878
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:06,399
is being created an international community, a perfect blueprint for

879
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,720
world order. In the sides there you go, suddenly realize

880
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,520
that they're looking into a mirror. They will see that

881
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,319
this is happening.

882
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 3: As the village.

883
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 12: That is my hope for sure.

884
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 7: I'd like to put the first man on the moon.

885
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: There you go. It is the whole world as one

886
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:39,920
global order, both sides East and West coming together in

887
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:46,960
the Hegelian synthesis, and between six and number one, or

888
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,960
excuse me, number two and number one, six number six

889
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:55,199
is number one. Spoiler. Uh, you have this, this key

890
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:59,680
conversation in the show where they have met, that both

891
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,960
of the sides look at each other and they find

892
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,079
that they're saying the same things. That's the whole point, right,

893
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:11,760
The goal of both monopoly capitalism and top down communism

894
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:18,520
is the same. Does it matter whether it's Stalin and

895
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,760
the whole country is a corporation or whether it's Ceo

896
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,359
Demarca Zuckerberg and the whole country is a corporation. I mean,

897
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,760
what's the big difference? What's the real difference there other

898
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,640
than like one works more efficient maybe? And what did

899
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:43,439
Richard Burton say? Efficiency? And so again? The prisoner another

900
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:51,199
classic element of espionage science fiction dystopia telling you everything

901
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,399
about how the world really works right there, and so

902
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,920
everybody's still buying into I mean, keep in mind that

903
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,640
all of the high in the hysteria that we deal

904
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:07,399
with in the last year, the last few months, this

905
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:20,119
is all extension of Cold War. So I want to

906
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:22,520
add to a little bit of a promo here, guys

907
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,520
that we do have an excellent debate challenge that Sarapham

908
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,960
Hamilton released today against not just this Hamza dude, but

909
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:39,640
also against anybody from his Den says Den and you

910
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,600
have Dawa or any of these characters. And so I

911
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,319
did want to promote this because we wanted this to

912
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,079
kind of get out there. So here is the debate challenge.

913
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:51,239
I told Lewis I would promote this. Here's the debate

914
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:56,159
challenge that Hamilton gives. Hi.

915
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,279
Speaker 13: My name is Sarah and Hamilton. I have a master's

916
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,840
degree in Early Christian Studies from the University of Notre

917
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,000
Dame and a Master of Theology from Duke University. I've

918
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:08,039
been doing apologetics in some capacity for about fifteen years

919
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:09,760
and I have a channel of about eight and a

920
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,600
half thousand subscribers. In the past I've debated on various topics.

921
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,439
Shaver A Lei, Matt slick Swansana and Samy's Asia.

922
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 14: But it seems that the stories that the kron selects

923
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,720
are ones that are available to Muhammad and the early Muslims,

924
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,720
and that very strongly indicates, I think, human authorship by

925
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,239
fallible men who were looking at texts written generations and

926
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:33,159
generations after the life of Jesus and simply taking them

927
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:34,119
to be reliable.

928
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 13: And I'd like to directly invite Hamsamat of Hams's Den

929
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,880
to a structured and moderated debate on any or all

930
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,239
of the following topics. Is the New Testament reliable? Was

931
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,439
Paul an authentic disciple of Jesus? Or is Jesus God

932
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,960
according to the Bible. I'd be happy to engage on

933
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:52,560
any or all of these topics at an agreed upon

934
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,399
date in the future, and I hope Amsa accepts my

935
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,159
invitation so that we can have a productive engagement.

936
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 3: So, Pamela, the last thing you want to do with

937
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,000
me is give me a month to research topic.

938
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 12: Yeah, so I know this is what you want to

939
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,199
talk about, and you give me a month to research

940
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:11,119
that topic, and then we're going to debate that topic.

941
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,279
Speaker 15: Deary, deary me.

942
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The link is in the show description. So it's interesting

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that they called it Operation Rolling Stone in the film.

1016
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I'm not sure what to make of that. It could

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have been just happenstance. We don't really know why they

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choose these names that they do for these operations. But

1019
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the operation itself was a kind of fake flag operation

1020
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or a a. It was a disinformation operation to give

1021
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the impression that Richard Burton wanted to defect. And the

1022
01:17:48,399 --> 01:17:52,479
great twist of irony in the film is that even

1023
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though he didn't want to defect, at the end he

1024
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felt betrayed by both power structures because the East Rmans

1025
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,199
killed Nan, and he also blamed British intelligence and his

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handlers because of this nasty business, this nasty work of

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espionage which must be done. And he had been also

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been betrayed because British intelligence kept from him the fact

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01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:24,520
that Munt actually was on the British payroll, and so

1030
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,640
he had been told that that wasn't the case. He

1031
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:32,479
had been lied to, And so there was sort of

1032
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,680
a trail from both power structures because neither power structure

1033
01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:41,479
was actually working for the people, so to speak. And

1034
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,520
of course both sides would betray themselves as the fenders

1035
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,960
of the people, right, But whether it's the degenerate elite

1036
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:55,159
in London or the degenerate elite in Moscow, the atheist elite,

1037
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,720
none of them were quote for the people. It was

1038
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:04,119
really pure raw power. And so that's the key point

1039
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:07,000
to take away here, is that the world that we

1040
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,960
live in now is the product of this managed dialectic

1041
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,600
of the Cold War. To me, it's really evident that

1042
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,119
that's the case. Boomers, it's not they can't see that.

1043
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,479
They can't They were so entrenched in the Cold War

1044
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,560
mindset they can't get that. They can't grasp that. However,

1045
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:32,479
what are we to make of the documentary about Chief

1046
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:40,640
Cold Warrior himself? The man nobody knew, William Colby. We'll

1047
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:41,760
look a little bit of the.

1048
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 9: That.

1049
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,159
Speaker 3: We'll look at the trailer for this. William Colby has

1050
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,239
been missing since April twenty seven.

1051
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,159
Speaker 10: His canoe was found washed up on the banks of

1052
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,720
the Waikamako River April twenty eight.

1053
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 3: My father was a he jumped out of airplanes. He

1054
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,720
lived to serve. Now keep in mind that Colby is

1055
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,199
a trad cat and that's gonna be really relevant for

1056
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:19,000
this analysis. Well again, vindicates a lot of what we've

1057
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:21,520
talked about. And by the way, the documentary is made

1058
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:27,199
by his son, I forget his son's name, but Colby Jr.

1059
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:31,039
So this is not an attack piece, is not a

1060
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,520
you know, anti conservative, it's just it's just a documentary

1061
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,319
that we're told at least is supposed to be neutral

1062
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,680
or fair and balanced or whatever. But if you were

1063
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,000
calling and Mark Hacker brought this to my attention, a

1064
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:52,079
couple of these characters that he interviewed that are interviewed

1065
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:55,319
in the documentary actually come up in the Franklin stuff.

1066
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,920
And somebody mentioned to me that Colby might have actually

1067
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:05,079
been in the Discovery Channel band the documentary that everybody

1068
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:08,199
it's like the most famous conspiracy documentary ever about the

1069
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:15,479
Boys Town abuse stuff, the famous Discovery Channel documentary. It

1070
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,239
still floats around on the internet. I'm sure you can

1071
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:22,079
find it. Senator John DeCamp, etc. Franklin cover up. But

1072
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:25,359
somebody said that Colby was in that. I didn't recall that,

1073
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,119
but interesting, and now I have to go back and

1074
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:29,479
rewatch that because I don't remember this. But one of

1075
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,479
the characters that comes up in this documentary had some

1076
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,640
connection to Craig Spence, who was involved in the Franklin stuff.

1077
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:39,800
So the lobbyist slash Cia character.

1078
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,520
Speaker 8: People who turned to me and say, you know your

1079
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,960
dad was a murderer, My immediate reaction used to be,

1080
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:50,960
you don't know what you're talking about, And then I'd

1081
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,239
find myself thinking was he?

1082
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 4: Who was he?

1083
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:06,359
Speaker 3: Really? I am against assassination And the reason we're doing

1084
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:09,640
this because this ties in perfectly with the Phoenix Program

1085
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,520
talk that we did, right, So we covered Douglas Valentine's

1086
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,239
book Phoenix Program, and Colby is the architect of the

1087
01:22:16,279 --> 01:22:18,920
Phoenix Program, and this comes up quite a bit in

1088
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:25,279
the documentary. They interviewed several agents and spec ops people

1089
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:28,479
who'd been involved in the Phoenix Program. You'll notice there

1090
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,560
is the calling card, the death cards, the Ace of Spades,

1091
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,760
spades if you're a Lemmy fan. I'm not a Motorhead fan,

1092
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,840
but I couldn't resist the opportunity to throw in an

1093
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,600
ace of spades Lemmy reference there. And you know, the

1094
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,039
documentary is very honest about the reality of this, although

1095
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:54,359
they don't go into many of the details. So we

1096
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,520
don't learn about teaching the people to be cannibals, in

1097
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:03,159
encouraging the Phoenix Program operatives to engage in eating the

1098
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:09,920
organs of the victims, right, that doesn't come up. But

1099
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:15,840
there's this sort of an assassination program, as if that.

1100
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,600
I mean, first of all, why is that even controversial?

1101
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,000
I understand that in the sixties and seventies are having

1102
01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:24,720
these hearings, right, and that the church hearings come up

1103
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,920
in the documentary and Frank Church is over there, like

1104
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:32,520
is this an assassination gun? And it's like, whoa, the

1105
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,239
CIA has a gun that will assassinate people. And you

1106
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:37,840
sit there and you think, well, but wait a minute,

1107
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:43,840
isn't it an army, a giant million person assassination gun.

1108
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,000
I mean, the army does assassinate people. So why is

1109
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:52,239
this even a thing? As if we'll the United States,

1110
01:23:52,279 --> 01:23:58,279
we don't assassinate people. Isn't that what soldiers do? Soldiers

1111
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:01,119
assassinate people? What are you talking about? So I don't

1112
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:05,479
even understand why it's even a big deal that there.

1113
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,720
I mean, it's maybe it's like a level of gas

1114
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,359
lighting and like orwelly and stuff where it's like, yeah,

1115
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,600
we'll train millions and hundreds of thousand of soldiers to

1116
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,880
go and die on the battlefield, but we don't have

1117
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,760
assassination programs because we don't want to kill people. What

1118
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,039
this just makes no sense to me. Now I'm not

1119
01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:26,640
saying it's good that there are assassination programs. I'm just

1120
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,720
saying the military is an assassination program. This is so dumb,

1121
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,800
That's what I'm trying to say here, right, what is

1122
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,720
the military but an assassination program?

1123
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 12: I think it's counterproductive and I have issued directives against it.

1124
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:42,079
Speaker 1: By the time I got there in nineteen sixty nine,

1125
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:44,279
it felt much more like an assassination program.

1126
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 3: So there you see, right, Phoenix program right there, got

1127
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,840
an assassination program.

1128
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,319
Speaker 9: Current investigation could uncover several assassinations of which the CIA.

1129
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Was involved yes, there were indus, There's no doubt about it.

1130
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:02,399
They got out of hand one person.

1131
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,119
Speaker 15: They make these determinations that you do not trust four

1132
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,640
hundred and thirty five members, each of whom won an

1133
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,039
open election in ostensibly a democratic society. I would say

1134
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:13,000
to you, sir, you don't have the right to play god.

1135
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 6: How many files of this character you maintain on other

1136
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,479
members of Congress?

1137
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 3: You know what documentcy destroyed? Don't you think that's.

1138
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,520
Speaker 9: An exceedingly loose way to run an agency, particularly the CIA.

1139
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: So the irony is you got all these the Democratic

1140
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,600
senators back then or like grilling these people for the

1141
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,720
very thing that the Democratic people in control now do.

1142
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:39,039
It's just such an obvious like scam, right, Like who

1143
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:42,800
can't see that this is all ridiculous? Right now? With

1144
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,239
the character of Colby, what's interesting is that when we

1145
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,279
go through the documentary find out that early on he

1146
01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:54,199
had been stationed I think with the OSS in Italy

1147
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:58,560
and appeared to have had connections with what looks like Gladio.

1148
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:02,079
Can't I don't think in the documentary they mentioned Gladio,

1149
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,560
But it's obviously Operation Gladio, right, I mean, it's like,

1150
01:26:05,359 --> 01:26:08,239
so it's he's stationed there during World War Two for

1151
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:11,399
oss stuff. No, no, I'm sorry. He went into Germany.

1152
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,560
He was a parachuter into Germany for the oss UH

1153
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,159
in World War two period. Then he stationed in Italy

1154
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,319
to be involved in I assume to stay behind Gladio units.

1155
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,239
Right there he starts working with a cardinal. I don't

1156
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:31,960
think they mentioned the name of the cardinal, but this

1157
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:35,600
all vindicates what wim Hoff says, right, so pretty clearly

1158
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,600
has to be Gladio stay behind units that Colby is

1159
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,960
in charge of. They actually interview us a big new

1160
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,640
Brazenski in this documentary, so Ziebig is there talking about

1161
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:51,800
the Cold War, talking about William Colby. But there was

1162
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,199
an interesting element too where they were talking about the

1163
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,600
values of Colby and his approach just by Craft and

1164
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,720
he talked about reading T. Lawrence and the people that

1165
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,279
he trained that they wanted to be like the way T. E.

1166
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,680
Lawrence operated with the Arabs. Right, so the America which

1167
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,680
shows that the American attitude is basically exactly the same

1168
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,439
as the British intelligence attitude, right, exactly what T. Lawrence

1169
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,560
does being the British intelligence spy setting up the colony

1170
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:35,520
colonizing the Arab tribes like the other British intelligence agents

1171
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:43,560
did hunt Shume me Philby, Philby Senior. And if you've

1172
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,000
not seen the Peter O'Toole film Lawrence of Arabia, I

1173
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,640
highly recommend it because it's about this and so this

1174
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:53,960
I hate to use the woke speak here, but I

1175
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,439
don't know what a house to say it, but the

1176
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,319
colonizing approach of T. E. Lawrence here in regard to

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01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:04,199
the British Empire is mimicked intentionally on the part of

1178
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,159
what Colby says. The goal is we will be the

1179
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:10,960
packs Americana. I will try to be the T. E.

1180
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:17,439
Lawrence uh too to America for America. And so we

1181
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:23,239
get deep testimony. He was sent deep into enemy territory,

1182
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:25,319
accused me by the OSS, and he was in charge

1183
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:29,359
of sabotage teams. So he trained uh Norwi people in Norway,

1184
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:35,560
a bunch of sabotage agents to sabotage access operations during

1185
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:41,159
World War Two. And then he's stationed during the time

1186
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,600
of the American centric so he'll play a key role

1187
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,880
in promoting this. What what we find out is actually

1188
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:52,560
a Rockefeller planned operation of the American century the Henry

1189
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,840
Loose promotes. Colby is involved in the same American statitude,

1190
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:03,279
promoting the the extension of American Empire. He's involved in

1191
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:07,600
in Iron Curtain propaganda, the free world versus the slave world.

1192
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,239
Brazinski in the documentary goes into his World War Two missions.

1193
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,920
Then he stationed in Italy what I think is probably

1194
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:23,079
the Gladio stay behind units, and he's told when he's this,

1195
01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:25,239
this is where it gets really interesting. He's told in

1196
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:30,159
Italy by the cardinal, if you really want good intelligence,

1197
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:35,479
go to church. So the Roman Catholic Church in Italy,

1198
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,399
we clearly see on the part of this cardinal is

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:45,359
a key hub for espionage, especially CIA operations. At this point,

1200
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,840
Colby is not that high level, right, He's just stationed

1201
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:52,079
in Italy. He's not been His first big appointment will

1202
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:57,359
be CIA Chief of Asian Affairs, and that's when he

1203
01:29:57,399 --> 01:30:01,840
will run the operations in Vietnam. Then he will be

1204
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,640
promoted after the Phoenix program to running the CIA, you see.

1205
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,479
So that's how he moves up the chain. And this

1206
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:13,680
is relevant because what appears to be giant failures, what

1207
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,159
appears to be a collapse Vietnam is a big failure.

1208
01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:24,199
Supposedly Phoenix program supposedly draws all this ire, Well, what

1209
01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:30,600
do you know, he ends up promoted. And that's something

1210
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,000
that we find out pretty often in the intelligence world,

1211
01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:36,479
is that the biggest failures end up being the greatest successes.

1212
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,199
And that's what leads us to suggest or to think

1213
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,640
that these operations are not what they appear to be.

1214
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,880
In fact, was Vietnam actually a giant demoralization effort on

1215
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,840
the part of the global elite, and thus Vietnam is

1216
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,600
actually a giant success. I lean towards that view the

1217
01:30:54,680 --> 01:31:00,720
more I study Vietnam. And we know from Thealine book

1218
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:07,680
that the principles of police state, reorganization of society, continuity

1219
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:13,479
of government, experimentation with drones and AI that began in Vietnam,

1220
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:20,359
as well as biowarfare, spraying things, all of that was

1221
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,520
a research and development approach on the part of the

1222
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,760
American deep state in Nam. That's what Nam was about,

1223
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:34,039
and the drug war too. But the drug war side

1224
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:38,279
of it wasn't just about profits. It was about studying

1225
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:42,159
what happens when the troops are all addicted to these things,

1226
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,079
What happens when these troops come back home, How does

1227
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:50,279
that affect the domestic population when all these nambats are

1228
01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:55,840
basically ruined and the importation of drugs as a result

1229
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,720
of that theater of war Southeast Asia, huge Golden Triangle,

1230
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:07,039
big drug hubs, okay, crucial to controlling how the planet runs. Now,

1231
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:14,399
perhaps as a trad cat younger Colby is naive and

1232
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,840
thinks that he's fighting for the good guys. But as

1233
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,880
he rises in this intelligence power structure, we find him

1234
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,399
to be more and more of a conflicted man, even

1235
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,880
though he's getting promoted, and much like in the situation

1236
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,079
of the Courier, we find his home life falling apart.

1237
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:37,319
He ends up divorced. Trad Cats thought, you can't get divorced. Well,

1238
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:40,159
he ends up divorcing his wife. I think he married

1239
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:43,640
some other woman. But before we get to that, we

1240
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,680
have to point out that he then makes inroads with

1241
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,239
the Vatican, gets very close to a high profile cardinals

1242
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,079
when he's stationed in Italy. The cardinals directly tell him

1243
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:59,880
that if you want real intelligence, start going to the

1244
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:03,800
Latin Masks, start going to church. This is fifties, right,

1245
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,960
So this is prior to Cuban missile crisis. Might before

1246
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,159
if this is fifties, so this is after his oss period.

1247
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,880
So the CIA cardinal whoever that is, basically says we

1248
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,439
got to support the Christian Democrats. That's the only way

1249
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,039
to beat the rising Communist Party in Italy. So the

1250
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:29,920
Communist Party is getting popular. This is where Gladio and

1251
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,039
the Stay behind units come into play. Gladio is about

1252
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,479
basically putting an end to the Communist uprisings and success

1253
01:33:39,079 --> 01:33:44,760
throughout Europe. Then this leads to him being stationed in

1254
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,840
Vietnam in nineteen fifty five to take on the role

1255
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:53,239
of head of Asia Central Asian Operations for the CIA.

1256
01:33:57,319 --> 01:33:59,319
And let's see, there was a quote that I thought

1257
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:01,239
was very fast and it's strange to think that the

1258
01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:05,720
threat from the North Vietnamese wasn't clearly seen because they

1259
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,119
interviewed Colby's wife throughout this His son interviews the mom

1260
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:13,439
throughout the documentary, and I thought that was interesting because

1261
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:18,640
it's like, so, if this was a big threat, why

1262
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,279
would it not be seen? And she's saying that, oh,

1263
01:34:21,319 --> 01:34:24,319
it was actually a huge threat. Right. But remember Colby

1264
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:31,279
and these characters are participating in the Cold War strategy

1265
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,840
of the of the Cold Warriors, the neocons, the Rockefellers,

1266
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,479
et cetera, to stress that this is a global threat

1267
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,520
and it's not because they really wanted to get rid

1268
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:55,079
of communism. Remember, Nelson Rockefeller intimately involved in the government

1269
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:58,199
at this time. He was stationed as I think Nelson was,

1270
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:03,000
wasn't he stationed in Latin South America CIA chief. And

1271
01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:05,399
there's this fascinating section in the documentary where they play

1272
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:14,640
audio of JFK and RFK arguing with Helms Henry Cabot,

1273
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:18,000
Lodge and some of these other deep state people and

1274
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:21,840
they're like telling him, no, you're gonna do what we say,

1275
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,039
and it isn't there's even a point in the documentary

1276
01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:27,960
where they say, we don't give a damn what the

1277
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:33,199
White House thinks about this, because we are the real power, Okay,

1278
01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:36,920
the Intelligence Apparatus CIA, that's the real power, and we

1279
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,000
will do what we want to in this theater of war.

1280
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:43,560
And so they actually overthrow DM in a coup, which

1281
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:49,279
JFK and RK didn't want to do. And that's wild, right,

1282
01:35:49,279 --> 01:35:51,560
because it's actually comes up in the documentary. They're like,

1283
01:35:52,279 --> 01:35:55,159
the CIA is just like, we don't give a show

1284
01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:58,479
what you think. We work for higher masters above you

1285
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,880
President ken and duh, I wonder who got rid of

1286
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,520
President Kennedy and RFK I wonder who? I mean it

1287
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,640
probably maybe the people involved in telling him that we

1288
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,119
will stage a coup in Vietnam and we don't give

1289
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:17,840
a shit what you think. I mean, how how is

1290
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,920
this not obvious? How do people not how can people

1291
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,760
not figure out who really runs this country? It's so stupid, right,

1292
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:29,079
It's like, and do you think that those people care

1293
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:33,960
anything about you? Cold War boomer? Do you think they

1294
01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:42,119
care anything about you? I don't care about you. Again

1295
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,079
the entire by the way they interview this jesuit, this

1296
01:36:46,279 --> 01:36:50,560
weird jesuit dude is interview obviously he's some kind of asset.

1297
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,159
They interview him like five times. He's in like five

1298
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:56,439
clips and he's just like, oh, yes, well, uh you know, uh,

1299
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,399
deception is necessary and deception is good and uh you

1300
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,760
know that's what we have to do to fight the

1301
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,000
good fight. It's just just a bunch of bologney. Dude.

1302
01:37:05,039 --> 01:37:07,560
It's like, who believes these people? How do you believe

1303
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:14,239
these people? This obvious jesuit just con man right anyway,

1304
01:37:14,359 --> 01:37:16,720
So his he that's his jesuit counselor. I don't know

1305
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,319
who the Jesuit is he a counselor? To William Colby,

1306
01:37:19,359 --> 01:37:21,399
what does this mean? He was a Jesuit counselor? Who

1307
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,920
does he counsel? Why is this person matter? Why are

1308
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:24,800
we interviewing this guy?

1309
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,079
Speaker 4: Right?

1310
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:31,239
Speaker 3: But it vindicates again the wim Hoff book, the John

1311
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:36,600
Courtney Murray CIA asset, CD Jackson doctrinal warfare program all

1312
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,800
one ecent vindicated. This documentary is not about that, but

1313
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:45,640
it shows that's all legit, one percent true, totally. And

1314
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,840
by the way, in the wim Hoff In the Douglas

1315
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,279
Valentine book, I pointed out how it wasn't just uh,

1316
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,800
the Roman Catholics that the CIA had made this alliance

1317
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:02,000
with in Vietnam. The all the set of a contests

1318
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,359
trace their lineage from Nego dan Tuk, who was also

1319
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:14,319
a ciasset. According to dougsvownsine mean being on interesting. Now,

1320
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:19,840
as the documentary moves on to discuss the operations of Vietnam,

1321
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:25,279
at first JFK and RFK wanted to rely on special operations.

1322
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:27,399
So their whole thing was, let's just use speck ops.

1323
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,720
We don't want to full on war here. And then

1324
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,960
it turned into now we're gonna have the CIA and

1325
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:34,560
the Deep States said, no, we're gonna have a coup.

1326
01:38:35,239 --> 01:38:39,239
We're gonna overthrow DM and we're going to send in

1327
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:45,960
the counterintelligence specialists who end up becoming the Phoenix program.

1328
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,680
So the Phoenix program is initiated. Colby is the main

1329
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,319
architect of this. And if you remember in the Valentine book,

1330
01:38:54,359 --> 01:38:56,920
they brought in like people from the Ford Foundation or

1331
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,319
people who'd worked at Ford Motor Corporate because it was

1332
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:06,680
a corporate strategy of efficiency in t E r R

1333
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:12,800
O R. Yes, corporate terror. You heard me, right, So

1334
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,319
you want to think about the war on t E

1335
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,560
r R O R. Well, according to Valentine, you have

1336
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:24,079
to understand Nam. Right, you got to go talk to

1337
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,680
Boomer Garcia. Oh yeah, man, you know when I was

1338
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,600
over in NAM, I was on a vision quest and

1339
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,800
I seen inside the heart of America and I seen

1340
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,840
a giant dollar sign. So Boomer Garcia is more right

1341
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,680
than you know. So it's not really about dollar signs, right,

1342
01:39:47,399 --> 01:39:49,600
And that they again mentioned that Lawrence of Arabia was

1343
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,439
the model. So Lawrence of Arabia is mentioned at the

1344
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:58,000
beginning for World War two, the oss World War Vietnam.

1345
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,840
Colby again mentions that Lawrence of Arabia is the model

1346
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:08,479
for how they want to handle the colony, right or

1347
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,720
the liberators, right, the United States as the liberators. And

1348
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:13,960
by the way, don't bitch at me as if I'm

1349
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:19,279
defending Soviets. It's they're both colonizers, right, It's just two

1350
01:40:19,319 --> 01:40:22,319
different strategies or programs.

1351
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:22,520
Speaker 4: Right.

1352
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 3: The Soviets are like, oh, we're going to free you.

1353
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,640
We're going to be your liberators with Marxism and communism,

1354
01:40:28,119 --> 01:40:29,760
and the West is like, no, we're going to be

1355
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:35,159
your liberators with democracy and cocin pepsi. Right, So which

1356
01:40:35,279 --> 01:40:37,720
of the liberators do you want? Well, is it possible?

1357
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,319
Have you ever thought about maybe that both of them

1358
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:43,239
are not liberators, Maybe both of them are pragmatic dialectical

1359
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:48,560
control structures. Has anybody ever thought of that? Even though

1360
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:56,439
constantly books come out demonstrating this high high level, powerful sources,

1361
01:40:57,039 --> 01:41:00,000
people can't figure this out. They cannot wrap their heads

1362
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:08,039
around the Cold War being a managed electric because so

1363
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:12,640
the Kennedy said, let's keep using the special forces, no CIA,

1364
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:17,760
And now this is the this is by the way,

1365
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,359
this is the height of the Roman Catholic power in America, right,

1366
01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:26,920
I don't think. I think sixties Vatican two, John Courtney,

1367
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:31,239
Marisiti Jackson. You got a Roman Catholic president, you got RFK,

1368
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,760
you got William Colby as the trad cat head of

1369
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:39,079
the CIA. I mean, this is like the apex of

1370
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,840
the Roman Catholic power structure period. But it's also the

1371
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,239
end of that period because we know what happens to

1372
01:41:46,359 --> 01:41:53,840
RFK JFK. Colby ends up under all of these Senate hearings,

1373
01:41:54,079 --> 01:41:56,079
which I don't even do these hearings ever even do

1374
01:41:56,119 --> 01:41:59,199
anything or they just show trials to make people look bad, right,

1375
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:05,239
Congressional inquiries hearings do they they don't do anything. Nobody

1376
01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:07,640
does them ever get any like prison time? Or is

1377
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:11,399
it just like to put on a show like the

1378
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,880
Congress and the Senator like they're doing something and they

1379
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:19,960
like it was grilled on Capitol Hill today. Okay, but

1380
01:42:20,039 --> 01:42:23,279
what does this do, like zimbi actually ever stop doing anything?

1381
01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 4: No?

1382
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,199
Speaker 3: Right, And so Colby ends up under all of these

1383
01:42:27,319 --> 01:42:32,000
Senate hearings about the Phoenix program and the CIA's assassination programs.

1384
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:37,119
Right now, look at the evolution of the absurdity of liberalism,

1385
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,880
by the way, because the if you look at all

1386
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,800
the people grilling Colby, it's all these Democrats who are

1387
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:50,279
actually making good points. So they're out there saying like,

1388
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,479
aren't you just doing all this for the at the

1389
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:58,520
behest of giant corporations? Aren't you just assassinating and mind

1390
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,039
controlling people with MK ultra. Isn't this, you know, being

1391
01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:05,359
used on the domestic population. Isn't this taking away our liberties?

1392
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:10,039
So what the democrats are saying in the seventies, sixties

1393
01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:13,239
and seventies is the same stuff that you hear people

1394
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:19,960
like me or AJ saying now. But now that is

1395
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:28,640
far right crazy talk. What how is that even possible?

1396
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:36,560
It's weird bizarre. But again, the most telling part of

1397
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:42,840
this whole documentary in terms of deep state stuff was that, well,

1398
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:46,399
for one thing they say is that there was an

1399
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:48,479
awesome admission. I forget who it was, but some of

1400
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:53,680
guys like, yeah, DM was a Roman Catholic, but he

1401
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,319
existed in the midst of a Buddhist country that had

1402
01:43:56,479 --> 01:44:02,079
an affinity for right their Soviet support. And so what

1403
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:05,399
we did was what we created an made up image

1404
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:10,479
around DM that was completely created that he was a Democrat.

1405
01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:15,199
So it's all just fake Okay. The DM government was

1406
01:44:15,239 --> 01:44:18,359
a puppet government of the United States, but they created

1407
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,720
the idea that it was a democratic regime. It was

1408
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,159
all made up and people didn't buy it. And this,

1409
01:44:25,399 --> 01:44:27,640
by the way, is where I didn't ha didn't even

1410
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,720
realize this. But everybody's seen that famous picture of the

1411
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,439
Buddhist monk who immolated himself. That is from this, That

1412
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:41,479
is the protests against the DM government, in case you

1413
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:46,359
were wondering. So they bring in Henry Cabot Lodge for

1414
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,399
on the part of the deep state, and he comes

1415
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:56,319
in and says, the CIA will decide to topple DM,

1416
01:44:57,399 --> 01:45:00,800
and we will decide that. By the way, the reason

1417
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,359
that Vietnam matters in this whole theater war is because

1418
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:08,000
that's the key to controlling Southeast Asia. Controlling Southeast Asia

1419
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:11,720
is the key to the drug trade, one key side

1420
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:13,560
to the drug drake, because that's a big part of this.

1421
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:22,239
Then we get the obvious villain characters of Helms Harriman,

1422
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:27,920
Abril Harriman, Richard McNamara, and Henry Cabot Lodge who say

1423
01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:32,920
we will decide what to do in Vietnam, and we

1424
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:37,159
don't care what you say JFK. Now, I'm not lionizing JFK.

1425
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:41,560
I don't really care about who was the real Democrat

1426
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,359
man of the people. I think there's a lot of

1427
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,319
corruption and oddness when it comes to JFK. Obviously came

1428
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:52,520
to power through organized crime. That's how he got elected.

1429
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,319
That the whole family got elected because they were all

1430
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:58,239
tied to organized crime, going back to their father running

1431
01:45:58,279 --> 01:46:05,199
liquor with al Capone. Okay, so these are old school politicians,

1432
01:46:05,239 --> 01:46:12,920
but clearly JFK is running a foul this entrenched military

1433
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:20,239
industrial complex OSSCIA establishment, and clearly you can read between

1434
01:46:20,279 --> 01:46:22,920
the lines in this documentary and figure out that, Okay,

1435
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,479
those are some of the people that were involved in JFK.

1436
01:46:26,279 --> 01:46:35,119
Clearly Now they say after this that the United States

1437
01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:40,359
bore shame in all these tragedies, and we thought we

1438
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,039
had the moral high ground, and even his wife says

1439
01:46:44,119 --> 01:46:48,159
this right, and supposedly William Colby is, oh, he's ashamed

1440
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:52,640
of the atrocities, and in the hearings he's, oh, you know,

1441
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,640
there were abuses, and there was some bad apple. That's

1442
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,760
always there was a few rotten apples, and we'll have

1443
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,399
to clean out those systems right, this bolooney excuse that

1444
01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:07,119
we always get. But Vietnam is the breakdown of the

1445
01:47:07,359 --> 01:47:12,000
narrative that the United States is on a holy mission

1446
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:15,720
to bring democracy and freedom. And they even sort of

1447
01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:19,760
laugh at this in the documentary as if everybody knows

1448
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,680
that's absurd. Even the deep state people that they interview

1449
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,840
in the documentary laugh at Okay, who believes this?

1450
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:26,119
Speaker 1: Right?

1451
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,119
Speaker 3: And so they moved away from special operations to conventional warfare.

1452
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,600
This brings about the Phoenix program where they train people

1453
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:46,640
to be serial killers. Colby pushed and pushed for this

1454
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:53,079
version of guerrilla warfare, and he cited Jesuits and Ignacious

1455
01:47:53,399 --> 01:47:59,880
in part of this holy warfare philosophy. Bizarre citing ignation

1456
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:04,600
and Jesuits for this Phoenix program approach of grilla. What

1457
01:48:05,239 --> 01:48:11,119
it's really weird. Now, I don't this is theorizing here

1458
01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:15,319
because I can't prove this, but I would theorize that

1459
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:21,000
because there is a connection between mkulture and the Phoenix program.

1460
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,279
We also know there's a connection to mind control and

1461
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:31,840
the Jesuit approach to a confessor confessing his sins. It's

1462
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:36,079
not Jesuits, but the model of the Jesuits is utilized

1463
01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:42,520
in the handler operative relationship, the manipulation between the handler

1464
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,960
and the operative, and that could thus play a key

1465
01:48:46,079 --> 01:48:51,199
role in the organizational structures in MK ultra the different

1466
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:56,079
approaches to mind control. Clearly the Jesuit relationship of confessor

1467
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:59,560
to confess e could easily be implemented there. And we

1468
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:03,800
do these high level CIA people like Colby making reference

1469
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:10,119
to the mysteries of the Jesuits and ignacious Loyola's approach

1470
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,239
and the Jesuit in the documentary even says that so

1471
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:20,399
again not far fetched to think along those lines. However,

1472
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:22,880
that does not mean Jesuits run the world. That's kind

1473
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:30,600
of ridiculous. But they are verifiably part of that, allied

1474
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:34,399
with the CIA power structure, as per the whim Hoff book.

1475
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:40,000
And so Colby runs these counterin certainty operations, presses for it,

1476
01:49:40,199 --> 01:49:43,680
admits that there were abuses, admits there was corruption, admits

1477
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,319
it was a t E R R O R campaign.

1478
01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:48,600
Now wait a minute, so it is a terror campaign.

1479
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:52,840
I thought we don't do that. We're fighting the war

1480
01:49:52,920 --> 01:50:00,800
on it again. Welcome to upside down world, Welcome to

1481
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,600
orwell world. I mean, the only way to fight T

1482
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,279
E R R O R is to engage in T

1483
01:50:09,399 --> 01:50:13,920
E R R O R. That's the logic here. Well,

1484
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:21,359
so after all these grillings, Colby steps down and divorces,

1485
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,039
marries some other woman, and then one day floats off

1486
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:29,640
on his boat and washes up on a shore now

1487
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:33,279
the sun. In the documentary, his son implies that he

1488
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:40,159
thinks his dad ended his own life. I mean, maybe,

1489
01:50:40,279 --> 01:50:43,760
I guess you could be guilt ridden and whatever. But also,

1490
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,159
I mean, come on high profile that people. I mean,

1491
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:50,119
I obviously the media thought is okay, who got rid

1492
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:59,119
of that guy? So he spent sixteen years running these

1493
01:50:59,159 --> 01:51:03,399
operations of you it was all his baby. We're supposed

1494
01:51:03,399 --> 01:51:04,800
to think it was a failure, But was it really

1495
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,479
a failing Again, I'm not convinced that Vietnam was actually

1496
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:11,119
a failure because it really if you think about the

1497
01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:13,560
vantage point of the deep state and what they would

1498
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:18,720
have wanted to accomplish via Vietnam, I mean, everything that

1499
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:22,640
they would have wanted. Vietnam was a stellar success, right.

1500
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,079
I mean, who is so naiven normy to believe that

1501
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:33,840
intelligence failures are not intelligence successes? The Big Nine event

1502
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:39,199
that was a huge intelligence success on the part of

1503
01:51:39,279 --> 01:51:47,920
the parties that gained from that. The surveillance infrastructure alone

1504
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:56,279
made the Big nine event a huge success. So we

1505
01:51:56,399 --> 01:51:59,560
have in the seventies, as I said, investigations, the church hearings,

1506
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:03,880
the seventies investigations into the intelligence community. And if you

1507
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,720
listen to these investigations, it's wild because everything that they're

1508
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:12,680
saying is so correct, and nowadays it was prophetic. Nowadays

1509
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:17,680
it's like a hundred times crazier. And to listen to

1510
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:23,000
the ridiculous nonsense of Colby sitting there saying, well, we

1511
01:52:23,079 --> 01:52:25,600
have to do all this because the CIA keeps America safe.

1512
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,840
I mean, who actually believes this, Who actually believes that

1513
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,039
these foreign campaigns are actually for the purpose of keeping

1514
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:37,479
us safe? I mean the same people that believe that

1515
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,840
there were weapons of mass destruction right in Iraq, right,

1516
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,039
and we fought so dom to keep us safe. I mean,

1517
01:52:44,399 --> 01:52:53,880
come on, everyone knows that was fake. And in this

1518
01:52:54,039 --> 01:52:58,960
documentary they keep bringing up the fact of well Colby

1519
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:02,960
was such a honorable man, committed to the truth, that

1520
01:53:03,079 --> 01:53:05,760
he was always in the struggle being a track Catholic

1521
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:11,479
with a life of lies and deception. Now maybe that's true,

1522
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,680
and maybe that's why he was so guiltrid and wanted

1523
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,279
to end his life. Maybe or maybe he was a

1524
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:24,720
wicked man. Uh and maybe he knew too much and

1525
01:53:26,279 --> 01:53:28,720
was disposed of I don't know. I don't know. But

1526
01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:33,479
anytime we have somebody that high profile floating up on

1527
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:37,880
a river bank, I mean, come on, and when Colby

1528
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:44,680
steps down, who steps into that role? Read my lips? Now,

1529
01:53:45,079 --> 01:53:51,319
no taxes, the infamous Bush Senior, infamous Bushes. So again

1530
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:57,079
total operative minion of the deep state. In fact, Averil

1531
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:05,239
Harriman is in the government to this telling JFK, we

1532
01:54:05,319 --> 01:54:08,039
don't care what you think about Vietnam. You're not in

1533
01:54:08,199 --> 01:54:14,000
charge here. And of course what's Harriman Bush? That's part

1534
01:54:14,039 --> 01:54:17,239
of the Bush family, right, Abril Harriman. I forget what

1535
01:54:17,399 --> 01:54:23,520
his relationship is to Bush Senior, but I mean, who

1536
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,600
can't figure this out? And who actually thinks that these

1537
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:36,079
people have your best interest? I mean, it's just let's

1538
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:37,119
see exactly what his.

1539
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:40,479
Speaker 1: His role was.

1540
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,319
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's William and then there's April. So there's two.

1541
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:52,159
Abril Herriman's Democrat politician, railroad baron. Okay, so I forgot

1542
01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:58,399
what they're but aren't they married into the Bushes somehow,

1543
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:16,720
what is that connection Prescott? Okay, so Prescott was the

1544
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:21,960
partner of April Harriman Investment Bank. So they're not married,

1545
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:33,279
they were business partners, but they are related as cousins

1546
01:55:33,319 --> 01:55:37,359
apparently anyway. Uh yeah, I mean it's just obviously, you know,

1547
01:55:39,079 --> 01:55:42,439
powerly families here at that government level. Here, they're not

1548
01:55:42,479 --> 01:55:45,000
at the top of the pyramid, but they're uh, you know,

1549
01:55:45,079 --> 01:55:49,640
these are people equivalent to the Kissingers, the Brazienski's, the Bushes,

1550
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:57,279
you know, that's that's these people sort of dynastic government

1551
01:55:57,439 --> 01:56:05,840
level people. But there you go. I mean, pretty much

1552
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:12,079
everything that we saw in the Wimhoff analyses backed up

1553
01:56:12,319 --> 01:56:16,319
pretty much everything, well, most of the basic details of

1554
01:56:16,439 --> 01:56:20,439
Douglas Valentine's Phoenix Program book also backed up in this documentary,

1555
01:56:20,479 --> 01:56:29,560
which was supposed to be fairly what fair and balanced,

1556
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:30,560
I guess I was supposed to be.

1557
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 8: The director was always caught between doing the wish of

1558
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:37,000
the president and the law, and when the president said

1559
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:40,279
do this, do that, the law got set aside doing.

1560
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:42,359
Speaker 4: He was really a treasured charm.

1561
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 10: The family wasn't always let into this world of his.

1562
01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:50,079
Speaker 3: He never had to really tell me anything.

1563
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:54,399
Speaker 8: My father lived in a world of secrets, always watching, listening,

1564
01:56:55,079 --> 01:56:58,239
his eye on the door. By the time I turned thirty,

1565
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:03,000
I came to understand the man that nobody knew, or

1566
01:57:03,039 --> 01:57:05,279
at least I thought I did.

1567
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, so definitely worth watching. And you'll see all those

1568
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,119
high level, you know, deep state goons being interviewed in there.

1569
01:57:19,359 --> 01:57:22,640
And I have quite a few admissions there. So I

1570
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,319
hope you guys enjoyed tonight's analysis if you would like

1571
01:57:25,399 --> 01:57:33,920
and share, And I should be doing the Anthony Sutton

1572
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:38,239
book pretty soon, do the part two of that, and

1573
01:57:38,359 --> 01:57:41,199
also remind you guys that the next event is ready

1574
01:57:41,239 --> 01:57:44,439
to go in Orlando. That will be when is it

1575
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:48,520
September third, So the tickets are available for the Orlando

1576
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:51,279
event if you didn't get to the Nashville event. We

1577
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:53,319
had a blast. It was basically like a big party,

1578
01:57:54,039 --> 01:57:58,680
but we had comedy, did my cringe comedy. Everybody seemed

1579
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:00,760
to like it, so I'm gonna do it again. We

1580
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,159
had an hour of Jamie, we had an hour and

1581
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:07,239
a half of analysis of the new book meta narratives,

1582
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:10,880
and then we had open Q and A and we

1583
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,640
had the book signing. So it was a lot of fun.

1584
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:16,199
Everybody got to hangout for the whole weekend in Nashville,

1585
01:58:16,359 --> 01:58:18,159
one hundred and twenty of us. It was a blast,

1586
01:58:18,479 --> 01:58:21,680
a lot of fun. And we'll be doing the same

1587
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,800
thing in Orlando September third, So you can get your

1588
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,680
tickets right now over at event bright in that link.

1589
01:58:28,199 --> 01:58:31,720
For the Orlando event September third, four pm to six pm.

1590
01:58:32,039 --> 01:58:33,880
I' excuse me, four pm to ten pm. And it

1591
01:58:34,039 --> 01:58:36,319
is at the tap room. So for those of you

1592
01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:39,039
who like to imbibe alcohol, you will have the ability

1593
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:41,840
to do that. The Nashville event, some people brought their

1594
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,760
own alcohol. I don't care if you drink at my event.

1595
01:58:45,359 --> 01:58:47,960
We'll be at a dang brewery, so you'll be able

1596
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,119
to drink if you like to drink. I'm not a drinker,

1597
01:58:50,199 --> 01:58:52,479
but if you like drink, I don't care. Drink away.

1598
01:58:53,359 --> 01:58:55,439
It's gonna be fun. We're gonna be talking about the book.

1599
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,159
We're going to be doing Q and A as well,

1600
01:58:58,199 --> 01:59:01,800
except we got an added bonus. Father Vladimir that you

1601
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,840
saw in the video on Renaissance history will be their

1602
01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:09,439
live also giving a presentation. So if you're wondering why

1603
01:59:11,319 --> 01:59:13,960
the cost is a little bit more, it's because Father

1604
01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:16,479
Vladimir will be there presenting as well. He will be

1605
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,880
doing a presentation on Renaissance.

1606
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 4: Art.

1607
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:24,399
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's gonna be talking about Renaissance geometry and

1608
01:59:24,479 --> 01:59:28,319
structures within the artwork, symbolism within the artwork, like you know,

1609
01:59:28,399 --> 01:59:30,760
the stupid stuff that Dan Brown does. He does like

1610
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:34,000
the real version of that, right, So that's gonna be awesome.

1611
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:36,000
That's why the ticket is a little bit more because

1612
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,479
he's gonna be there, so I want to pay him

1613
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:41,640
for I've seen his presentation, multiple versions of it, so

1614
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,840
it's really good. It's definitely worth seeing. Jamie will be

1615
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:51,880
presenting on Hollywood and the occult. She's taken up that topic.

1616
01:59:52,319 --> 01:59:55,159
And I will be talking about meta narratives, so I

1617
01:59:55,239 --> 01:59:59,359
will be going through doing a heated philosophical sermon. It's

1618
01:59:59,359 --> 02:00:02,479
almost like a a philosophy sermon. That's what I did

1619
02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:05,319
for the new book Meta Narratives, which is available at

1620
02:00:05,319 --> 02:00:07,560
the website. You can get signed copies over at Jay's

1621
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:11,359
Analysis in the shop. Very readable, two hundred page book

1622
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:15,600
of my best philosophical essays. And also you can now

1623
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:17,800
get the infamous red book. They did come in from

1624
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,760
the printer. I've got them the infamous six hundred and

1625
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:26,479
sixty seven page Red Book, which was put together by

1626
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:30,439
I don't know who, and since I can't stop them

1627
02:00:30,479 --> 02:00:32,840
from printing it, I might as well just sell it.

1628
02:00:33,319 --> 02:00:36,239
So I am gonna go ahead and sell the Red Book.

1629
02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:39,000
We've already sold about one hundred of them right away,

1630
02:00:40,119 --> 02:00:48,880
and get your refutations of Rome, Protestantism, atheism. Almost seven

1631
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:52,880
hundred page is worth of my essays over about ten years.

1632
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Not all of my essays, but just the essays relating

1633
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to philosophy and theology are in this gigantic, seven hundred page,

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forty five dollar book. That's why it's more so to

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02:01:03,479 --> 02:01:05,960
be clear, because a lot of people ask this, if

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you get this book, pretty much everything in this is

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02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:14,920
in this book. The Meta Narratives book is included in this. However,

1638
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it's forty five dollars because of seven hundred pages. This

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02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:23,560
one is a readable two hundred pages. It's also better

1640
02:01:24,079 --> 02:01:28,680
spaced and font and readable. It's it's edited. This is

1641
02:01:29,159 --> 02:01:33,439
kind of edited. Whoever did this, It's decently edited. This

1642
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:38,159
is well edited. So yes, there's pros and cons either way.

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I wanted to get to this great game book, but

1644
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I didn't get to. Maybe we'll do that next time

1645
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:45,279
do a separate talk anyway, I hope you guys liked it.

1646
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:48,600
Definitely go check out the documentaries and the movies if

1647
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they seem like they're up in your alley. See super

1648
02:01:54,079 --> 02:01:58,199
chat from twenty five dollars Paranoid syntax Error, would you

1649
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:01,760
be interested in a decent centralized Patreon I'm building with

1650
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:06,159
Dick Masterson. It's censorship resistant and you get paid every

1651
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:11,720
month in crypto. Well, I appreciate that twenty five dollars. However,

1652
02:02:12,039 --> 02:02:15,960
it's similar to what I'm already involved in with rock Fin.

1653
02:02:16,079 --> 02:02:20,920
So rockfin is a blockchain based, free speech based company,

1654
02:02:21,039 --> 02:02:23,920
and have a really great relationship with rock Finn. I'm

1655
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,439
a big fan of it, love those guys over there,

1656
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:28,960
and I want everybody to sign up for rock Fin. So,

1657
02:02:30,119 --> 02:02:32,680
although I appreciate your offer, I don't think I would

1658
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,359
want to not be involved with rock Fin, so I'm

1659
02:02:35,399 --> 02:02:37,920
committed to that. But thank you for that, Paranoid syntax

1660
02:02:38,039 --> 02:02:40,279
eror Andrew five dollars. I don't know if this has

1661
02:02:40,319 --> 02:02:41,760
anything to do with the topic, but I was wondering

1662
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:43,960
if you would be a review of Westwood. Actually, Jamie

1663
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,239
and I are working through Westworld right now. So if

1664
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you remember in my I don't remember if my first

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or second book. Second book, I think there is a

1666
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:55,359
chapter on Westworld, but at that time when I put

1667
02:02:55,399 --> 02:02:58,359
that out, it was west World one, so I had

1668
02:02:58,399 --> 02:03:01,960
only seen season one. That's all we had at the time.

1669
02:03:03,399 --> 02:03:05,560
So yes, Jamie and are going to work through the

1670
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rest of Westworld and we will do a full on

1671
02:03:09,479 --> 02:03:12,159
podcast analysis for the rest of them. Because I haven't

1672
02:03:12,199 --> 02:03:14,279
seen it, I don't know where West World goes, so

1673
02:03:14,359 --> 02:03:16,600
it's going to be fun to see. I've only seen

1674
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:19,600
season one, so we will get back into it this week.

1675
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:25,279
You're thinking in the same vibes and mindset as me. Dude,

1676
02:03:25,359 --> 02:03:28,960
Storm the Cat ten dollars, Hello, Hello, Storm the Cat.

1677
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:33,159
I totally agree, fight the power and Storm, not the

1678
02:03:33,239 --> 02:03:37,920
bastile but the Cat. BMX nineteen sixty six, ten dollars cheers,

1679
02:03:38,039 --> 02:03:42,439
Jay Ken, I can't wait for the Hamza Seraphim debate. Well,

1680
02:03:42,439 --> 02:03:45,399
I think most people think that he won't accept that

1681
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:47,800
debate challenge, so we will have to wait and see.

1682
02:03:48,319 --> 02:03:50,439
All right, I hope you guys enjoyed tonight's stream. Sorry

1683
02:03:50,479 --> 02:03:55,199
we got cut off earlier with Mama Gaya spitting electricity

1684
02:03:55,239 --> 02:03:57,960
at us. From the sky shutting down my Internet. But

1685
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:00,920
you can get the new books at the website, both

1686
02:04:01,159 --> 02:04:04,479
the Red Book and Meta Narratives. You can sign up

1687
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,279
over on rock fin If you enjoyed this stream, definitely

1688
02:04:07,399 --> 02:04:12,439
go watch the Occult Spy stream over on rock fan.

1689
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,880
It is a premium stream, but is definitely worth your

1690
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,920
time and the money to go watch that