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Speaker 1: And we say hello to Bobby belt one five three

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the fan in Dallas joining us here for a few

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Speaker 2: Bobby, it's Matt and Dan. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Give me the excitement level for this I for five

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showdown in the DFW metro area here this week.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't know how much excitement there is

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maybe morbid curiosity for a lot of Cowboys fans right

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now to see just how much further this could go

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off the rails, just because they have been really struggling,

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and I feel like a lot of people around town

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right now just you know, are there's a little bit

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apathy almost setting in for people, and that they feel

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like this Cowboys team has been such a disappointment after

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what was a very disappointing offseason, and so I think

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a lot of people just right now feel like they're

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they're just waiting this one out, and so a lot

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of shoulder shrugging. But I mean, of course there's always

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the Dallas Houston city rivalry that exists, so there's still

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some of that for the fans I think here in

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Dallas now that they'd like to see this one if

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they're not going to get any others the rest of

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the year. They'd like to pick up the victory in

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this one.

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Speaker 1: If the Texans blow that out tonight. Is there any

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chance Mike McCarthy gets pulled tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think so, especially on a short week.

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They've got two short weeks coming up, because they've got

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the Monday game here, then they travel to Washington, and

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then coming off of the Washington game, they've got the

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Giants on Thanksgiving. So just from logistically that point, I

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don't think so. But Jerry has been, you know, very

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very adamant that he doesn't want to make an end

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season coaching change again. He did it with Wade Phillips

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fifteen years ago roughly, and he doesn't want to do

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that anymore. We talked to him, you know, twice a

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week on our station here in Dallas, and he is

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he's just been pretty adamant the entire time about Nope,

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Mike's here for the rest of the season. We're going

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to ride with that. And I think he also just

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used it as where they're at right now, how poorly

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they're playing. I think he kind of looks at it

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as what's the point am I salvaging a season? For

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a playoff run, Probably not. So let's just ride this

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thing out, not you know, rock the boat too much,

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and then let's head them to January and figure out

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our head coach is going to be for the next

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few years.

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Speaker 4: Bobby, it seems like there was kind of a little

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bit of a disconnect in terms of messaging before the

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season even began, where Jerry is throwing out the whole

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we're all in and then they make little to no

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moves this offseason to try to improve this roster. Was

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that more of Jerry just continuing to be Marketer Carnival

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Barker Jerry in terms of, hey, we're still competitive and

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really just kind of trying to talk himself into believing

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something that's just not true. I think so he.

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Speaker 3: Will tell you. I don't know how realistic this is

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when you listen to the context of the quote, but

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he tells you and seems to genuinely believe that what

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his statement was about was about I'm all in in

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terms of on on this core, this core that we

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have here, and we're making investments and we're working to

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extend ceedelamb Or, we're working to extend Dak Prescott, and

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I'm all in on, Hey, this is the year where

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we need to make some determinations about Mike McCarthy's future.

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And so to him, he says that all in is

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not a ooh, chips to the table, let's like really

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throw some capital at outside free agents and make trades

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and things like that. He has said that that's what

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he meant by all in. Now, the Carnival Barker aspect

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of that is the fact that he just about every

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single week since the summer has used the phrase all in.

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It feels very intentional and very purposeful when he's doing it,

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So that sort of rubbing it in a little bit,

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base by continuing to repeat that over and over again.

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the Carnival Barker, like you said. But I think his

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initial comment was he has always maintained that what he

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was talking about was being all in on investing in

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the current core that had, you know, contracts that were

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Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, this was a team that

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last year won twelve games, and I understand, like I said,

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they didn't make very many roster improvements either free agency,

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trade anywhere else, but Bobby, I mean, they won twelve

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games last year, Like, how does this thing fall off

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the tracks this quickly? Like how do you get to

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a question that I think everybody's

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kind of trying to evaluate and figure out. Okay, where

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where have things fallen off? Why did this take such

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a sharp nose dive? I think first off, the Packers

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playoff game exposed a lot of flaws with this team,

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and I think people felt like, wow, this is a

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warning signal about where this football team is heading, and

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they need to make some adjustments and they need to

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make some acquisitions. They didn't do that, so they sort

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of ignored the warning signs that seemed to be on

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the table. Then the other aspect of that is I

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still say that when they are completely healthy Guy one

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through twenty two, there are eleven starters on both sides

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of the ball, there's still a really they're a good team.

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They're a really good team with those starters when everybody's healthy.

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The problem is that you had your depth absolutely decimate

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this offseason by free agent signings and everything else. You

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didn't do anything to add to that. So Guy twenty

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three through fifty three on the roster might be one

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of the five to ten worst teams in football. And

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because of that, as soon as injuries hit, you start

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seeing that depth really get exposed. And even when they're healthy,

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there's two rookie offensive linemen at arguably the two most

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important positions got in the offensive line at center and

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left tackle, and both of those guys are playing new

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positions there this year. The left tackle was Tyler Goeiton,

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who was a right tackle at Oklahoma, and their center,

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Cooper bb It played guard at Kansas State and so

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it was something where he's having to make a position shift.

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There have been growing pains with that. So it kind

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of all comes together to create the perfect storm for

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this team that has has led to them looking as

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poor as they have absent just the injuries.

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Speaker 1: Bobby belt one five to three with us Year from

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the Fan in Dallas or the Matt Thomas Show with

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Speaker 2: Bobby area of strength right now?

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Speaker 1: Or is this the number of losses and the big

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time losses really just covered up every problem that this

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team has had so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's not right now where where

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this team is at with their injury situation and everything else.

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You know, Micah Parsons is back. He's obviously a really

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good player. They really loved Marvin Overshown, the linebacker from

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Texas who missed his entire rookieyear last year by tearing

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his knee, and he's come back this year. He's played

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really well at times, and he's he's been one of

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the guys most invested in the idea of this rivalry

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tonight between Dallas and Houston that he's he's really leaned

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into that talking to the media about how, hey, no,

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we want to represent for Dallas and we want to

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you know, win for our city, and we need to

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you know, they may be the up and combers, that

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the Cowboys are still the cowboys and we need to,

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you know, remind them who's big brother here. And so,

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you know, Overshown is a guy who I think a

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lot of people like his play style, the aggressiveness, the

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ability and and sort of the you know, the leadership

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and the traits that he's shown and some of the

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confidence and the personality. So I think the big highlight

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for them right now is what they're getting from Parsons

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and Overshown and the way they can kind of alternate

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them as rushers and linebacker play. But other than that,

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our kicker maybe he's pretty good. And I'd say the

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kicker and the linebacker defensive end combination. That's That's about

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where the extentent goes. Which I guess if you saw

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kicking over the weekend of the NFL then that's not

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necessarily the worst thing to have, you know, good confidence in.

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This is a really bad football team. There's probably two

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teams in the NFL right now that I would say confidently.

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Speaker 2: Dallas could be.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Parsons comments from last week with a genuine

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or they just off the cuff.

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Speaker 2: I know he had to backtrack a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What were your take on his comments about the coaching

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staff and the organization as a whole.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with what he said initially

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when he first led up to it, and he had

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talked about, you know, when he said that Mike McCarthy

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can go where everyone's that was taking a little lot

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Speaker 2: What he was trying to.

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Speaker 3: Say there was if this ends for Mike, Mike will

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have further opportunity and this won't be the end, whereas

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some of these guys, some of these other guys that

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he plays with, that Michael Parson's plays with, you know,

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Zach Martin, DeMarcus Florrence, Brandon Cooks, this could be the

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end of either their careers or their time in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: The problem was when he comes on the back cand

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of that and says, you know, he's talking about Mike McCarthy, says,

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guys like Zach Martin who put in more time and

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work than Mike McCarthy ever did. That's that's a slip

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of the tongue at best, and at worst, that is

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a straight calling out of your coach's work ethic. But

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taken out of context. That's not what he meant, and

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his intent. So I'm willing to at least give him

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the benefit of the doubt that it was a poorly,

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poorly worded h you know, finish to that statement. But

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there's definitely gonna be questions about Mike McCarthy and and

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how bought in these players are knowing that he's you know,

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a lane duck coach essentially, and you're starting to see

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potentially some of those cracks and Houston might you know,

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kick a few more in there tonight.

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Speaker 4: Bobby, I'm assuming you're going to be in the building tonight.

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What are you expecting that building to look like?

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Speaker 3: It's funny we're talking about that this morning on the show.

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I'm guessing thirty forty percent Texans fans probably. I mean,

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they've had they've had some issues recently kind of holding

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their territory down. There was there was a lot of

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Philadelphia fans recently. There was a lot of Detroit fans

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at their last game. Baltimore came in, had a bunch

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of representations. So some of this apathy that's set in,

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some of the willingness to you know, resell tickets on

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the open market. I know last week I had, you know,

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a couple of different listeners who told me, we've got

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tickets from the game. We're trying to sell them. We

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couldn't get anybody to buy them on the secondary market.

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we were selling them for face value. And so that's

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that's kind of where everybody is. Everybody's kind of frustrated

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with where this was, given how things ended last year,

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the lack of response in the offseason, and then you

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know what's occurred to season. It just feels like there's

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a big, heavy sigh and shoulder shrug go all the

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way back to Oxnard and Cowboys training camp. That was

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as empty of attendance as we've ever seen in Oxnard,

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California for Cowboys camp, And so I wouldn't be surprised if,

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on minimum, we're looking at thirty percent Texas fans tonight,

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Speaker 1: Last question, Bobby, who cross checks Jerry Jones? I know

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Stephen his son has been at his side for many,

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many decades, But who really says, Jerry, this is not

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the thing we're going to do. This is not how

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we spend our money, this is not how we draft.

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a confident on inside that building not named Stephen, that

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he that helps him make these decisions, whether it be

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for the rest of this year or for the long term.

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where there's a little bit of a misnomer about how

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Jerry runs the organization these days. The old wildcatter Jerry Gunflayer,

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fifteen years ago, probably, But in the last ten years

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or so, Jerry has really taken on sort of an

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executive role with a veto pen and that's that's what

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he does. He builds consensus is essentially what he does.

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So he's got a brain trust in there of you know,

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it includes Mike McCarthy, their director of player personnel, will

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McLay Steven, you know, some of their football administration guys

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like Todd Williams, their salary cap expert, Adam Pacifica. So

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he's got a group of people where they talk through

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decision points and things that they want to do, and

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Jerry sits over that table and kind of figures out

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what the consensus is and then applies it. And oftentimes

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just even if he's got a disagreement, he'll step out

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of the way if he feels like there's consensus. And

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so I do think he's gotten better at that. And

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I don't know if it's one particular person, but I

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think he just trusts the group that he's kind of

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built in the front office to help cultivate decisions, and

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then he just rules on him and when he needs

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to step in and uses veto pen, which he does

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still from time to time he will. But you know,

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for instance, the Derrick Henry thing is the one that's

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gotten thrown at him consistently in the media, is why

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didn't you go after Derrick Henry? He'll never say it publicly.

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I think he absolutely wanted to go after Derrick Henry,

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and I think he was told by people we can't

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afford it and it's not going to be possible, and

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so we can't. And Jerry, instead of vetoing it and saying, well,

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I'm going to do it anyway, he said, okay, all right,

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this is why I have you guys in place, and

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this is the decision we're going to make. And I

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also think that's why he's gotten so frustrated at times

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when it's come up, is because I think he feels

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similar to the people who are ask them the questions

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of why didn't you go after him? And I think

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he's thinking, I agree, why didn't we go after him?

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I was told we couldn't. But he's not going to

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publicly take that stance. And so I do think he's

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gotten better about kind of seeding a lot of the

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decision making or building consensus and then just applying that

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it's just that it's really bit them this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Bobby, great, So thank you so much for joining us.

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I enjoy the game tonight and we really appreciate it,

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and we'll help to bug you down the future where again.

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Thanks for joining us on the show this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you enjoying Milwaukee. Thanks Bobby.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I don't know if anybody can. It's

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forty five degrees. But that's another here nor there. Bobby

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Belt one oh five to three, the fan of joining

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us in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Great insight from him,