WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.640 Billy Cunning in the Great America, and welcome to glorious 2 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.960 Tuesday Afternoon. The trice that after the great Bengals victory 3 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.480 Bengals win at and t people are going nuts. We 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:20.280 have our own Tailor Swift and Tracy Travis Kelcey situation 5 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:22.679 going on with Kade York and Zoe Dale and so 6 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.160 much more. Plus we got the gritty, we got the 7 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:28.000 picking up the pieces, and the news conferences there after, 8 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:30.920 in which Joe Burrow said, it appears that he's going 9 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.399 to have his receiving core back, including t Higgins and 10 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.320 Jamar Chase and everybody. That's the implication. I guess he's 11 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:38.880 going to give back a bunch of money. I don't 12 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.119 see Mike Brown reaching deep in his pocket. But until then, 13 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.560 big big stuff's happening at Bobby Mackie's and Wilder and 14 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.679 of course Brian Hambrick this afternoon is on the scene. 15 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.159 And I know Tony Benner used to have his chops 16 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.439 going over there and doing the two step quite often 17 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.479 having too much to drink at an uber ride home. 18 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.880 And now all of a sudden's being torn down and 19 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.240 everyone has us upset about. So tell the American people 20 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.599 Bobby Mackie's. You're there, Unseene this afternoon. What is happening 21 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.840 at Bobby Mackie's and Wilder if anything? 22 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:11.799 Well, hello again, mister Cunningham. 23 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:12.599 What's going on? 24 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:17.439 Well we have Well, there's a bacco that's been chewing 25 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.120 into Bobby Mackie's for a couple of hours now, and 26 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.480 a good portion of the building is down in just 27 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:31.120 a pile of rubble, just just a pile of broken boards, 28 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:37.000 some conduit walls that have fallen in. And it wasn't 29 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.120 much to look at to begin with this place, but 30 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:41.120 it did have a lot of memories for people who 31 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.519 who ever went in. If you ever went in to 32 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:47.359 Bobby Mackie, you would never forget it. I don't think 33 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.920 there was a place like it in the entire country 34 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:51.799 that was exactly like this. 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:54.480 I couldn't believe it was open when I went in there. 36 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.000 Well, describe what's happening because the original structure I was 37 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.560 there once just a look got it. It looked like 38 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.879 a flop house. I don't want to denigrate a business. 39 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.480 It didn't look real good. So why is it good? 40 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:06.640 No? 41 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.639 Well, I it was not real pretty. But on the 42 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.840 inside that's where all the character was, but a little bit. 43 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:13.759 Like Bobby Mackeie. 44 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.360 You know, the outside don't look good, but the inside 45 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:20.120 that's where all the character is. No, he was out 46 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:24.080 here today and we talked to him. The yeah, the exterior, 47 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.000 the problem with the building was. I mean, he told me, 48 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.520 he goes, this just had leaky pipes, It had just 49 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.120 all kinds of issues, and he. 50 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.080 Said it was just time for the building go. He's 51 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.639 owned his building since well he's yeah, he's owned it 52 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.039 and operated Bobby. 53 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.039 Mackie's Honky Tonks since nineteen seventy eight. 54 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:46.719 And he opened it. 55 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.400 And that's just about the time that Urban Cowboy came out, 56 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:54.479 and he had a mechanical bull when that came out, 57 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.479 one of the very few in the country, and the 58 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:01.599 popularity of these honky tongs based off of that movie 59 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.560 just skyrocketed. So it gave him a boost kind of 60 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.479 that he needed. And he said, you know, I only 61 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.759 ever wanted a place just so I could play, and 62 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.280 you come in and Bobby Mackie will be playing. Almost 63 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.520 every time I've ever been in there, he was playing, 64 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:16.800 you know. 65 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:22.800 But the real marketing of Bobby Mackie's were all the ghosts, 66 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.199 not the two step wasn't Urban Cowboy, right, it was 67 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.759 explain how it got the reputation of being haunted and 68 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.639 what happens to the ghost that the building's not there anymore. 69 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.000 But how did they get haunted in the first place. 70 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.560 Well, now I don't know. Nobody exactly knows. 71 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.360 There's a number of stories that go about about lost heads. 72 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.039 And this was a slaughterhouse at one time, and there's 73 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.599 all the blood drained into this kind of well that 74 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:50.000 went over into the Licking River. 75 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.520 It really wasn't a well. It just just a pike 76 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.280 that went into the Licking River and it just drained 77 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.240 the blood of the dan animals into there. So I 78 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.479 think it got it kind of a creepy red mutation 79 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.240 to begin with. 80 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.039 Yeah, with that, and then I think there were some 81 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.240 murders and people had that to something that could have 82 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.360 happened in the building. 83 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.840 Maybe should have did you know? Nobody knows, but these 84 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:12.560 ghost stories. 85 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.319 And Bobby Mackie told me he didn't even know about 86 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.800 it until he was he had bought the building, he 87 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.319 was in the process of fixing it up. He goes, 88 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.560 I didn't know about it, he goes. A neighbor says 89 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.279 I'll tell you all about it. Because he starts telling 90 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.920 him about this, he goes, well, don't tell anybody, because 91 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.079 I don't want anybody to know this to come in. 92 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.439 You know. And so he said. 93 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.480 It wasn't until about ten years later that this started 94 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.680 picking up, you know steam. And then after a while 95 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.839 he said, for the record, I don't believe it. He goes, 96 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.759 I never believed it. I never saw anything in here, 97 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.199 he said. But I will say, he goes, I've softened 98 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.879 on it over the years because over the years so 99 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.879 many people believed it and saw things instead they saw 100 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.120 things and and so so he's. 101 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:01.120 Kind of embraced it. And you know, there have been all. 102 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.120 These If there's a paranormal show that comes on or 103 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.279 a documentary, this is like the first plate they come 104 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.199 is over here. Well, now it's gone that they're in 105 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.040 the basement of this place with the things. 106 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:14.959 I think they called it Hell's Gate. 107 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.399 Well, it was that tunnel, that pit where they I 108 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.000 guess all the blood drained out into the Licking River. 109 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.759 It was almost like a corridor down there. It's it's 110 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.160 sort of collapsed. 111 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:31.759 Apparently now, but but the tunnel was still there, and 112 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.720 that's where all these you know, polker Geist or whatever 113 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.360 we're supposed to come from or what you know, whatever 114 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.319 happened was around that particular feature. 115 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.839 Well, apparently he says, when they rebuild over here, because 116 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.680 that's the plan. The plan is to rebuild this and 117 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.959 hold totally new. Bobby Mackie's I don't know what's gonna 118 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:55.800 look like yet. I don't know if they have renderings. 119 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.319 And but the mayor of Wilder was even here and 120 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.680 she's like, we can't wait for the next phase of 121 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:03.439 Bobby Mackey. 122 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.240 I can guarantee it's not gonna look any worse than 123 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.839 building they're taken down, that's for sure. 124 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:15.319 Well, in nineteen ninety two, I can recall you there's 125 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.079 a reporter a Channel five named Michael Collins. It was 126 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:22.199 really remember Michael Collins and I went there with them 127 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:27.439 and we heard howling of banshees late at night, and 128 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.839 big story was done. You couldn't see the ghost. We 129 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.639 knew they were there, and it was because it was 130 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.199 a it was a butcher shop, it was a slaughter. 131 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.639 And then it became several human bodies were missing and 132 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.600 the heads were located somewhere in the Licking River, floating 133 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.959 down like bobbing like corks. And I'm thinking, and I 134 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.800 thought that was a bad imagery for a bar restaurant, 135 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:54.439 would you agree? But all of a sudden, in. 136 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.720 That way, you could probably you know, you could probably 137 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.079 put those head and sell T shirts with it on. 138 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.839 You know, it just became part of the place. People 139 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:11.079 embrace the ghosts, and the stories continue to build. And 140 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.240 now in the new building, the plan. 141 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:17.000 Is to highlight that. Actually he said he'd never seen 142 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.519 it until I whatever year it was, and they uncovered 143 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:20.600 the place and all that. 144 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.759 But he says, in the new building they're gonna have 145 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:28.600 that exposed. You'll be able to see the tunnel that 146 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:29.519 goes down in. 147 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.240 There or this well or whatever it is. 148 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.240 And he said they're gonna put lights in it, and 149 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.560 they're gonna have glass over it, so you'll be able 150 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.319 to actually stand right there and I don't know, maybe 151 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.000 the ghosts will come up and perform or something. 152 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:43.399 I don't know. 153 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.639 Well, it's uh, I would assume it's gonna be bigger. 154 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.160 And is it actually I see the video you put 155 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.879 together it's now gone. Is the new building going to 156 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:54.600 be in exactly the same location. 157 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.120 I think it's gonna be on the property, but I'm 158 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.279 not sure exactly where it's gonna be. But the property 159 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.160 kind of goes up the hill quite a bit from 160 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.639 the original. So there were other things here. This was 161 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.399 once It was a couple of bars before this the 162 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.639 long history people say the mob owned it and they 163 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.160 ran gambling and brothels out of his side and all 164 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.279 kinds of like interesting history. 165 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.680 Uh, there was I think it was one of the bars, 166 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.879 or it was a complex I think called Primrose. At 167 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.000 one time looked a little better than. 168 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.919 You know, this building was sort of like an old 169 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.759 hippie you know, it kind. 170 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:36.120 Of it had better days. 171 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:41.120 You know, talking about talking about Northern Kentucky, you take 172 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.080 Beverly Hill Soccer Club throwing the Newport Strip clubs with 173 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.279 Sheriff Raderman, that kind of stuff with April flowers, throwed 174 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.879 all that stuff together and Bobby Mackie. 175 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.639 What the hell happened in Northern Kentucky. It's now been 176 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.960 paved over. Reminds me some scenes some good fellas. All 177 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.639 the old casinos her down. Now it's owned by corporate America. 178 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.120 That's what's happened to the Northern Kentucky. 179 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:10.200 Yeah, yeah, everything's illegal until you know corporate entity for 180 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:14.039 the government gets involved, and then you know when they're 181 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.679 gonna make money, all of a sudden, it's okay. Don't 182 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.559 forget about all that morality business we gave you on 183 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:20.039 you know. 184 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.399 Gambling and all that we were out of her. We 185 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.679 don't know what we were talking about. Forget about that. 186 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.240 We're making money off it. It's all legal. But if 187 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:30.679 me and you want to go out on the Ohio River. 188 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:34.080 And take our canoe and and have a game of 189 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.440 a poker and make money off of it, we're going 190 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:36.840 to jail. 191 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.120 That's all. That's awful. Smoking pot. You can't do that. 192 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:44.840 Casino gambling, that's evil. Corporate America took over. I can 193 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.000 remember some strip joined in Newport that Tony Bender dragged 194 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.240 me over there many years ago, and there was this 195 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.879 stripper on stage, so come out. She puts some liquid 196 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.600 on her body. She light herself on fire as the 197 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.480 music played, I Bring you Fire, Da, And I said, Tony, 198 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.120 what the hell what are we doing here? This woman's 199 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.200 on fire? And I thought those Corporate America has taken 200 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.840 over a new part in the condominiums, all that stuff 201 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.120 in the Beverly Hills. Bobby Mackie's all done, and now 202 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.120 casino gambling's on the river, it's on everywhere you can go, 203 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.240 it's on your phone. Corporate America is making a bunch 204 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.399 of money and Bobby Mackie's has done unbelievable. 205 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.120 Yeah. Well, well well but he's coming back. You know, 206 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:24.039 he's got the place he. 207 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.200 Used to be mugsbes moty two, So he has that 208 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:28.559 and he's going to reopen this. 209 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.120 So he's there in the in the interim, so you 210 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.480 can still get all the music and I think atmosphere, 211 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.240 I don't know, it's hard. It was hard to match 212 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.399 the atmosphere and that barn. Yeah, you went through that. 213 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.879 It was literally like going into a portal of the past. 214 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.519 I mean something like way back. 215 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.399 I know he started in seventy eight, but I'm telling 216 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:51.240 you it was like the fifties in there. 217 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.480 Yeah, well, it'll never come again. To let you and 218 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.639 I make a date that if he actually opens again, 219 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.120 if he actually opens, I'm going to look into the 220 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.360 pit where the body and the dead cows were on 221 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.480 their floating carcasses, down the licking into the Ohiver all 222 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.440 the way down to the golf. Let's make a date 223 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.120 to get back there. I'll get bender and get that 224 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.600 old girlfriend of his from that strip club in Newport. 225 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:16.120 I bring you fire. Holy God, I said, I said, Tony, 226 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:21.200 she's hot. Literally, she's all right, let's make a date. 227 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:26.600 We'll do it now. Secondly, I head on you. She's hot, 228 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.480 she's really hot. I don't know how that was her actors. 229 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.879 Set herself on fire, run around the stage. I said, 230 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.519 what the hell is this? Then the fire went out 231 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.320 and you saw whatever she had to present to the south. Anyway, 232 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.440 Tony loved that stuff. I didn't care much for that myself. 233 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.200 I did it for his sake. Nonetheless, that was his thing. 234 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.399 He liked to watch women burn. That was his thing. Anyway. 235 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.799 Yesterday I had and Joe Dieters came in his last 236 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.919 day on the bench. He's gonna start again in about 237 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.879 three weeks. And he brought this extensive order signed by 238 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.519 Judge Roulme like about seven eight years ago when Mallory 239 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.679 was the mayor, in which the city agreed never again 240 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.440 to have homeless encampments. Had nothing to do with this 241 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.720 their availability. It was a public health issue that it's 242 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.720 not healthy for them, not healthy for us to have 243 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.879 needles and poop and ure it all over the place. 244 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.080 So everyone agreed to it. They sat down. It's like 245 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.279 an eight page order. I got a copy right here, 246 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.080 and the city agreed to never allow that again. So 247 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.159 here we are seven or eight years later, and homeless 248 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.720 encampments likely, although the city hasn't said this caused the 249 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:36.000 fire and under four seventy one something happened. It wasn't lightning, 250 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.120 and all of a sudden, people are saying, well, what 251 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:39.919 are we going to do now? And so Joe Dieters 252 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.320 makes the point, why doesn't someone go to court and 253 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.120 actually hold the city in contempt, hold the city manager 254 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.200 and the mayor in contempt, maybe lock them up until 255 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.440 they comply with this court order. Do you see that 256 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:54.080 ever happening. 257 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.159 Well, I don't know that that's going to happen. I 258 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.039 know that you know they signed this, Uh they signed 259 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.919 an I don't know it was an ordinance or an 260 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.840 order or basically the rules they're going to play by 261 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.519 at the city. And that was just several months ago, 262 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:14.320 like over the summer. I think that if that they 263 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:19.200 could not uh remove somebody, like tell them they have 264 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:24.120 to move along unless they have a place for them, 265 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.360 Like if they have a place for them. They can 266 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:27.960 tell them, look, you got to move along, We're going 267 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.320 to take you. We'll give you a spot. But if 268 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.799 they don't have a place for them, they're The way 269 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:38.519 the cities rules work is they have to allow them to. 270 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.120 Stay where they are. They can't. They can't kick them out. 271 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.000 So that's the that's the rule the city took off. 272 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.639 And I think that's the one that Joe Dieters has 273 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.039 an issue with, you know, in terms of like I'm 274 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.840 not I think his point is. 275 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.799 You can't. We've already got an order that covers this. 276 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.759 You know, there's probably a middle. 277 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.000 Ground where people could do both. You know, you could 278 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.840 take care of the people and make it so because 279 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.399 we've done this, I mean for a long time, a 280 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.960 lot of cities have done this. You know, you've been 281 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.320 able to, you know, take care of the homeless people 282 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.039 and not have encampments out. You go to some of 283 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.559 these other cities and it's amazing, you know. I was 284 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.720 in Denver was about a year ago. It was unbelievable. 285 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.399 I mean that the homeless encampments were just I mean 286 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.360 they had taken over and in San Francisco about a 287 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.600 year before that, I was there that you couldn't walk 288 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.480 down certain streets that the entire sidewalk. 289 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.679 I remember I was going to a sidewalk. 290 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.440 I was walking through and this woman had I was 291 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.559 almost like a permanent structure. She had carpet on the 292 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.120 sidewalk where you had to walk, but you. 293 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.080 Felt like you were walking through her living room. I 294 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:51.960 mean he was like walking in and there was like chairs, 295 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.799 and there was a like a bed tie was sleeping 296 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.000 in and all this stuff. 297 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.320 And it was on both sides, and she had stuff 298 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.720 up over the that you know, you walk through and 299 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.120 you're like, oh, I kind of I know it's like 300 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:04.840 my public sidewalk. 301 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.559 But I feel like I'm walking through this woman's house. 302 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.440 You let me share with you. Let me share with you. 303 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.480 The last sentence of this order. It is further ordered 304 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:16.600 that this order be permanent and be enforced by the 305 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.799 City of Cincinnati Police, the city health departments, and the 306 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.600 Hammond County Sheriff at all times that space is available 307 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.000 in shelters for the homeless. I am told that there's 308 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.159 plenty of beds available for the homeless. So if there's 309 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.600 no beds available, no facilities, this order is not in effect. 310 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.200 But if there is availability of beds, which presently there is. 311 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.080 Then this order is in effect, which means the city 312 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.039 is in contempt of court. So I said to Joe, well, 313 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.679 obviously the prosecutor's office will be controlled by Countie Pillach 314 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.480 in about two weeks. She's a liberal Democrat, I think, 315 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.519 but I'm not sure she's not going to enforce it. 316 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.320 And then you're going to have the city itself is 317 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.600 not going to enforce it against itself. So it's going 318 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.759 to be up to a citizen who lives in the 319 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.080 city to sue in court to enforce the order to 320 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.960 hold in contempt and lock up those responsible who are 321 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.879 the city manager Scottie Johnson, and they have to have 322 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.720 pure revolve. So we'll see what happens. But Brian Hamrick, 323 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.120 you have the most interesting job in America and how 324 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.840 you presented is great. Bobby Mackie's will rise again along 325 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.440 with the pit. I will go again with you when 326 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.720 this opens to look down to the pit the will 327 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:26.639 of souls to see what's there. 328 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.919 Yeah, we definitely got to check that out, like you said, 329 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.639 assuming they get this open. And I asked him and said, well, 330 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:35.240 how long you think it'll take to get the next 331 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:36.080 place because well, it. 332 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.879 Took me like eight months just to get it torn down. 333 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:39.799 Wow. 334 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.159 Yeah, because it took him a long time to get 335 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.519 the permit. I guess everything. There were delays and everything else. 336 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:50.960 So we'll see, well, we'll see what happens. Brian Hammrick, 337 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.919 once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. 338 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:58.039 Thank you, Brian, Thanks again, mister Cunningham, thank. 339 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.000 You very much. Let's continue with or maybe the homeless 340 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.000 could go to a wilder Kentucky look in the pit, 341 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.920 or maybe I bring you fire on news radio seven 342 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:15.480 hundred WLW. Billy cunning in the Great American Great you 343 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.680 havevy with me. It's rather cloudy, rainy type afternoon in 344 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.440 the tri State. Cincinnati once again is the headquarters of 345 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.079 all things happening in America. You kind of look at 346 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.240 the game last night. Incredible victory by your Cincinnati Bengals. 347 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.279 Shouldn't have happened, partially blunk punt that went past the 348 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.519 line of scrimmage, which means if it's touched by the 349 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.039 receiving team, it's it's a muff, similar to a fumble. 350 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:44.000 Suddenly the brakes went the Bengals way. Of course, the 351 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:48.960 Dallas Cowboy cheerleader dating may I use that term dating 352 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.960 cade Yorke. He's the new kicker, taking the place of 353 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.359 Moneymac that's issued some bad checks recently. In fact, he's 354 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.960 got the pulled groin. But he's dating Zoe who's the 355 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.680 Dallas Cowboy cheerleader. And every time York would make an 356 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.599 extra point or kick a field goal, all the cameras 357 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.119 went to Zoe Dale and she was going nuts on 358 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.039 the sidelines representing the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. And on top 359 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.279 of that, last night and Jamar doing the gritty because 360 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:23.480 of Braxton Woods, who's the young boy about he's six 361 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.839 or seven years old. Leukemia treated and treated that little 362 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:28.559 kid like it like a king, as he should have. 363 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.960 So I guess we have our own Tailor Swift and 364 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:36.839 Travis Kelsey situation with Cage York the kicker, and Zoe Dale. 365 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:42.039 Unbelievable stuff. Bengals win. We'll see what happens Sunday in Tennessee. 366 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.400 There's about a three percent chance if they won the game, 367 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.640 they could get to the playoffs, and he served to 368 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.960 get to the playoffs. We'll see what happens. And afterwards, 369 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.720 it appears that Joey Burrow is going to give up 370 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:56.640 some money or delay payment going into the future to 371 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:01.319 get t Higgins's play. Higgins Bayden also jamar, so we'll 372 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:04.480 see what happens down the road. Secondly, I listened with 373 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.160 interest to comments of Jackie Brison, who's the leader of 374 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:13.000 the Downtown Residence Council, who deals with this on a 375 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.400 regular basis. And there's two or three precursors that calls 376 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.000 this homeless crisis to metastasize. Number one, when I had 377 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:23.039 on Rob Sanders the last few times, I asked him 378 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.720 about the homeless problems there, and what Frankfort did was 379 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.359 say to cities that if you don't clean up the 380 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.799 homeless camps and get them care and treatment, the state 381 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.279 of Kentucky will not give any more state aid to 382 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:42.000 your city. So all of a sudden, Newport and Covington 383 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:46.279 got serious with the homeless problem and said, Okay, we 384 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.640 have a bed for you, and if you don't go 385 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.359 into the homeless shelter, we're going to arrest you. Then 386 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.599 we're going to convict you. Then we're going to put 387 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.839 you in jail. And when you get out of jail, 388 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.440 one of the conditions of getting out of jail will 389 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:02.359 be probation doing clue treatment. And so what happened is 390 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.319 there's a good chunk whether it's a third or a 391 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.720 half of homeless or more, who are mentally ill the 392 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.920 course and drug addicts and alcoholics that they don't want 393 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:13.480 to play by the rules, They don't want to do that, 394 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.240 they don't want to go to the homeless shelter. I'm told, 395 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:18.759 correct me if I'm wrong. I'm told there's lots of 396 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.400 beds available. But many who are mentally ill don't perceive 397 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.599 the damage they're putting themselves in and the danger, and 398 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.920 they also are ruining life for the rest of us. 399 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.400 And so a very few can tear down large parts 400 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.279 of our great American society. And that's what's going on 401 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.880