WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.919 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:04.519 It beats listening to nothing. 3 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:09.039 My goodness, it's Frank being Frank. 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:16.440 Were the only way to be is Frank. Hello everyone, 5 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:19.320 and welcome to being Frank. We're the only way to 6 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.839 be is Frank. I'm your host, frankle Borno, and I'd 7 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:24.600 like to thank you for joining us on what we 8 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.480 like to call the Intelligent Conversation Podcast, where no conversations 9 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.560 out of bounds and all points of view are welcome. 10 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.640 Listeners are familiar with our routine. We record live to 11 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:39.280 tape and I give you the date till you have 12 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:42.960 some context and relevance. It is the second of February. 13 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.399 Ground all day. It is a very busy day in 14 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.240 every sense of the word, and that's why we are here. 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:53.039 Of all the draconian policies initiated by the Trump administration, 16 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.600 perhaps none have proven to be more divisive than that 17 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:00.479 of his mass deportation orders. The president and then did 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.319 campaign with the promise of executing those orders, much to 19 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.799 the approval of his base. However, none but his most 20 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.799 ardent supporters could have envisioned the kind of chaos this 21 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.560 policy has created. Especially in Minnesota, families are being attacked 22 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:21.760 and separated. Journalists are being arrested, Clashes between ordinary citizens 23 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:26.640 and ICE agents are occurring daily, and perhaps most frightening 24 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.640 of all, American citizens are being murdered in the streets 25 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.400 by federal agents. It has also become painfully obvious that 26 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:39.000 the President is also using these tactics to intimidate those 27 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:43.840 he sees as his enemies, that being democratic states and cities. 28 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.719 All of those transgressions are forcing those within mister Trump's 29 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.599 sites to take preventative, proactive measures. One of those states 30 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.359 and counties making plans to meet the challenge. In New 31 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.439 York and Rockland County, a group of Democratic larmens have 32 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:04.680 proposed a Safety and Dignity for All Act that will 33 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:09.719 be designed to limit cooperation with federal immigration agencies while 34 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:16.719 explicitly preserving cooperation for criminal investigations within the county. Of course, 35 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.680 proposal is not without opposition, particularly from the GOP and 36 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.439 Mike Lawler, who is in a dogfight to keep his 37 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:28.319 New York seventeen congressional seat. That seat remains key in 38 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.240 the national effort for either party to control the House. 39 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.319 It's bound to create intelligent conversation. Well, at least it'll 40 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.360 be intelligent. Here on being Frank and joining me now 41 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.680 are three of the Democratic warmakers who support the safety 42 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.879 and Dignity for All act First up is Beth Davidson. 43 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.479 She has been on being Frank once before. We welcome 44 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.800 her back. She's a county legislator and a candidate running 45 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.919 for mister Lawler's crucial House seat. Beth, welcome back. We 46 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.479 appreciate We know you're very busy. You had to be day, 47 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:01.800 so we appreciate it. 48 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:03.479 Thank you so much for having me. 49 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:07.520 Next up, doctor Dana Stilly is also a county legislator. 50 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.800 She also have to be an educator. She is the 51 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:13.960 vice president of student Services at Sunny RCC and she 52 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.560 joins us for the first time here on being Frank. Welcome, 53 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.000 Thank you again, another busy woman. Thank you for joining us. 54 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.240 Thank you Frank. It's great to be here. 55 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.120 And of course returning. He was here recently to talk 56 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.520 about his senatorial New York State senatorial campaign. Is the 57 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.960 mayor of Nayak and as I mentioned, he's a candidate 58 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.159 for that Senate seat where his opponent will be Republican 59 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.599 Bill Weber, who is opposing the Safety and Dignity for 60 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.159 All that it's we're going to get into all of 61 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.319 that in just a minute. Welcome back, Mayor Joe Rand. 62 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:48.199 Thank you, Frank. 63 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.879 Yeah, I really appreciate everyone being here. As I said, 64 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.280 I know you're all very busy. I had a busy day, 65 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.599 and that's why I want to get into it right away. 66 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.360 You know, but before we get into the specifics, you know, 67 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.560 I can't help but wonder how did we get here? 68 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:05.919 In a broader sense, you know, I borrow a turn 69 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.639 from from Hunter Thompson Fear and loathing? How did we 70 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.639 get to this state of fear and loathing? 71 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:12.919 You know? 72 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.240 I write periodically in my own blog and sometimes in 73 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.800 NIAC News and Views, and I write about my neighborhood. 74 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.879 So it's kind of a working class, blue collar neighborhood. 75 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.199 So it's very mixed, a lot of immigrant families here, 76 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.120 most of them Latins. Latins love it. It's safe, it's friendly, 77 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.000 it's happy, it's clean. So if you would, and maybe 78 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.240 it's a rhetorical question, how did we get to the 79 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.439 point where there's this hysteria that not only the bad 80 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.680 guys got to go, they all got to go. So again, 81 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.079 we'll start there, and then we'll focus because I know 82 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.360 that's kind of the point of all of this. How 83 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.519 did we get here? And I'll open the conversation whoever 84 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:50.680 we'd like to take it first. 85 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.680 I'm happy to jump in if that's okay. I think 86 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.519 each have our own perspectives. But from my perspective, in 87 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.920 the last election, I don't feel like Democrats addressed this 88 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.639 issue in a way that people believed we were ready 89 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.639 to really address it head on. When Doctor Stilly and 90 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.000 I and let me take a positive because it is 91 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.439 Black History Month and you may, I hope you know 92 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.720 or everyone should know that doctor Stilly is the first 93 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.480 African American woman elected to the county Legislature and now 94 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.160 the first to sit in leadership. She's our new deputy 95 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.680 majority leader. So we're very excited about that. So happy 96 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.439 Black History Month, doctor Stilly and everyone else. 97 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.720 Thank you for bringing that up. I appreciate that. 98 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.480 But when she and I were running for County Legislature, 99 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.040 I knocked four thousand doors. I know she knocked close 100 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.079 to as much, and a lot of people we're talking 101 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.639 about immigration then a year before all of this, and 102 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.199 you know, there was reasons for that. There was there 103 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.439 have been plans exposed from the City to potentially bus 104 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.040 asylum seekers up to Rockland County. So it was front 105 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.959 of mine for folks, but it really went to in 106 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.959 general and economic anxiety that people were feeling, was my experience, 107 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.040 and I feel as though Democrats didn't really in d C, 108 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.879 didn't really address that in the twenty twenty four election. 109 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.000 And then in tandem with that was the fact that 110 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.800 the Senate did pass the most bipartisan border safety bill 111 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:17.560 ever proposed endorsed by the Border Patrol would have been, 112 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.360 you know, finally the comprehensive immigration reform bill we've been 113 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.480 waiting for for twenty five years and again passed by 114 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.560 the Senate, but you know, declared doa in this House 115 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.800 by Speaker Mike Johnson and you know, aid into Bett 116 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:33.879 by Mike Lawler because they didn't want to give Donald 117 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:37.319 excuse me, Joe Biden a win right before the election 118 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:41.759 and give Donald Trump a loss or you know, one 119 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.600 less thing to run on. So that's technically how we 120 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.399 got here. But obviously, you know, what Donald Trump has 121 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.879 done since, and I'll let doctor Stilly take it from here, 122 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.759 has really weaponized the issue really to the expense of 123 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.720 our immigrant communities. As you as you so correctly indicate 124 00:06:58.160 --> 00:06:59.480 Frank right here in Rocklands. 125 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:01.839 Doctor Stilley, please take it from here. 126 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.519 When you first asked that question, I went somewhere else 127 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:12.639 outside of politics, please, because I think my sense, and 128 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:16.399 I would venture to guess that that might be the 129 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:22.600 sense of many in the black community, is that this 130 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:27.920 is all about some degree of hatred for those who 131 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:33.240 are not white, for those who are of color, for 132 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.439 those who are different, for those who are perceived as 133 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.439 being poor and or lazy and or illegal. 134 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:42.160 Right. 135 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:51.000 And I as much as the current administration refers to 136 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:58.279 President Obama, I think that there is a uh and 137 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:06.319 inability for Trump to accept anything that Obama put in place, 138 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.399 and to accept the fact that generally he's judged as 139 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.199 a pretty successful president. And so when you think not 140 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.279 only about immigration, in terms of what Trump has tried 141 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.560 to do, he's tried to dismantle everything that has to 142 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.319 do with black history. He's tried to dismantle DEI because 143 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.160 he thinks that black people are the primary beneficiaries, which 144 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:29.240 is not true actually if you know the facts of that, right, So, 145 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:36.360 I see it as something far deeper than just being 146 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.080 solely about immigration. 147 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.000 Because it is wonder that's why you're all here to 148 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.840 give us all of your wonderful perspectives. And next up, 149 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.759 mayor rand your your perspective. Just how did we get 150 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.559 here this? You know, the statue, the open arms that 151 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.039 give us your how did we wind up from there 152 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.240 to here? In your mind? 153 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:00.919 I think there's a couple of things to go on here. 154 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.320 One of them is, you know, one of the responsibilities 155 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.039 I think that we have as Democrats is that when 156 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:08.759 we are in power, we have to govern well. We 157 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.000 have to make good decisions, and we have to run 158 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.799 government effectively or else we you know, because we're the 159 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:16.919 party of government doing things, and so if we don't 160 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.919 do things well, then I think it redounds to us 161 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.399 much worse than it does Republicans. 162 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.399 Republicans are always like government doesn't work, and. 163 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.559 So when they're in government and it doesn't work, they're like, see, 164 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.440 it doesn't work. But they're the ones in charge. We're 165 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:30.919 in charge. We've got to make it work. And I 166 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.120 think that God love them. But Joe Biden did not 167 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.639 do a good job with the border. 168 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.639 Now, as Beth says, they tried to. 169 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.360 They had a good bill ready to go that would 170 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.519 have fixed a lot of these problems, and then Trump 171 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.399 killed it with because he wanted to run on the issue, 172 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.200 not actually fix the issue, which he then did and 173 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:56.759 unfortunately successfully. You know, Republicans are very good at finding 174 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.000 someone to blame for your problems. Your problems are not 175 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.879 your fault, they're the fault of somebody else, and they 176 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.440 will and in this case, it's immigrants, or it could 177 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.120 be uh, you know, there were times when there's African Americans, 178 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.080 there are times when it's trans kids, there are times 179 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:17.559 when it's Latinos or you know, whoever is the person 180 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.519 that they can throw the blame on to try to 181 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.519 you know, maintain power is where it comes from, and 182 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.279 and and they'll do that. That's their game plan. And 183 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.840 now it's it's you know, undocumented immigrants and in some 184 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.320 cases even legal immigrants because Donald Trump has spoken out 185 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.639 against legal immgrance and trying to he's trying to take 186 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.159 away citizens citizenship from people who have who have earned citizenship. 187 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:41.440 So it's really, you know, when you put it all 188 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.360 that together, it's not about the legal status. It's about 189 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.039 people that are different from us, and they're the ones 190 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.679 to blame for the problems that we have. Now, we 191 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.679 do need to get We needed to get control of 192 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.440 the border, and it's good that we did that. We 193 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.440 do need to enforce our immigration laws, and it's good 194 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.559 that we're doing that. I think that what a lot 195 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.639 of people have reacted to is the fact that Trump 196 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.919 really did represent that they were going to start with 197 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.000 the worst. They're gonna start with the people have committed crimes, 198 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.240 and the people who permitted crimes do deserve to get 199 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.279 convicted and deported. 200 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.720 And the particularly the people who are violent. 201 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.039 And every time you bring this up, people say, well, 202 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.919 what about this person who got killed by an immigrant 203 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.480 or an llege, you know, an undocumented person, And that's horrible. 204 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:22.919 Those are horrible. 205 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.759 Stories, and our hearts go out to the families, and 206 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.440 certainly we do not we're not standing with that person. 207 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:30.960 But that's who Trump is supposed to go after, and 208 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.519 instead they've put in quotas. 209 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.240 And what they're doing is they're going after they're they're 210 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.080 they're they're looking, they're they're taking the easy hang and 211 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.320 fruit where they go to home depot, or they go 212 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.120 to target, or they go to the back of restaurants 213 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:44.639 to see what the bus boyson, or they go to 214 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.679 construction sites to see who's working on the new homes 215 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:49.200 that we need to get built in this country. 216 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:51.519 Yeah, those are easier pickups. 217 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.960 It's a lot harder to go after people have committed 218 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.000 crimes because they hide out better. But that's not what 219 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.159 Trump promised, and that's not what the American people wanted. 220 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.960 And that's why we've had the souring on. 221 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:06.080 This effort by the American people, is that the what 222 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:09.799 what Trump promised, he hasn't done. And what Ice has done, 223 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.919 particularly what we've seen in some of these we've all 224 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:18.480 seen with their own eyes of Minnesota has really really concerned. 225 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.080 People and and and uh and. 226 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.720 Created this this sense of anxiety within the within our communities. 227 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:29.799 That brings us to today literally figuratively literally and interesting 228 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.960 the term and and Beth, you and I discussed a 229 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.960 little bit. I also discussed with Diane Sarator a little 230 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:37.799 bit because I had put a promo out and the 231 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.039 and the term sanctuary County was used, and that's it's 232 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.360 almost a pejorative, and it's used as a cudgel as 233 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:51.919 a weapon because more accurately, it's the Safety with Dignity Act. 234 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.919 So first let's talk about what it is. What is 235 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.919 the Safety with Dignity Act, then we'll talk about what 236 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:02.720 it is not. So let's let's go around again and 237 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.440 we'll go in rotation. I guess it's as fair as 238 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:08.080 any other way. Best take it first there, please, if 239 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.080 you will, sure. 240 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:10.840 And it's very appropriate for all of us to talk 241 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:14.799 about this because Governor Hochel did propose her own framework 242 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:18.320 to address this issue on Friday, and as we were 243 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.759 so excited that Joe Rand is running for State Senate. 244 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.879 So the Safety and Dignity for All Acts and that 245 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.279 name is intentional because what we've seen in the last 246 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.639 few weeks is that no longer are immigrants the only 247 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:36.000 targets of ICE and this you know, administration in its 248 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.320 determination to stomp out this issue. And so we've seen 249 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:44.399 now you know, two tragically civilians killed in Minnesota over 250 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:46.600 the weekend. If you haven't seen the footage, it's very 251 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.720 disturbing of a woman being her car being stopped and 252 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.759 masked gunman jumping out of the car and drawn and 253 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.919 walking in front of her car again, which was you know, 254 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:00.360 the issue with Renana cole Good because she was deemed 255 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:05.399 to be an agitator. So they're going after, you know, 256 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.279 all sorts of folks, and so we wanted to make 257 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.279 sure that this law includes would cover that as well, 258 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.120 and so it's still being worked on, but in its 259 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:18.039 current form, based on the Westchester law that's been on 260 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:19.840 the book since twenty eighteen. 261 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.320 I to mention this is not rand new well, no 262 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:24.320 thinking no. 263 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.960 And I'll also note that, as Paul Cleary, our chair, 264 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.080 did this morning, that what Westchester is neither a crime 265 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.919 ridden healthscape. It is the sixth safest county in the 266 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.759 entire country. Rockland's the third, but we're smaller and slightly 267 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:46.039 different demographics, but Westchester's number six, and it's been working 268 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.080 well there. What it does is make sure that no 269 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:53.480 county employees or resources are used to comply with civil 270 00:14:53.879 --> 00:15:00.600 immigration matters. And so it doesn't preclude folks the Rockland 271 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.960 County sheriff or any other county employee from providing information 272 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.360 when there's a judicial warrant or criminal ongoing criminal active 273 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:13.279 criminal investigation. And it you know, fully complies with federal 274 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:17.799 law and uh, you know, complies with judicial warrants, and 275 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:21.200 so it just is a way to ensure that again 276 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.360 we're not using the county tax paradigm to have masked 277 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.200 thugs go after our neighbors, be they immigrants or not. 278 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:29.879 Doctor Stilly, what can you add please? 279 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.559 I think I would add that it protects protects confidential 280 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:43.240 and non public information collected by County services personnel right 281 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.080 to be delivered to any any ICE agent. And I 282 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:51.840 think that's an important piece when you think about people 283 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:53.000 just feeling safe. 284 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.200 You know, I'm going to if if I just could jump, well, 285 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.120 forgive me, I'll just interrupt for one second, because eventually 286 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.320 I'm going to read a part of the statement from 287 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.440 law enforcement within the county and I want you to 288 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.360 address that as well. And you know what's coming, but yes, 289 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.360 we will address that. Forgive me for interrupting. 290 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:12.080 Please come, that's okay, that's okay. And I think probably 291 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.480 the best way that that makes sense to everyone is 292 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.559 suppose I had some county business and I were receiving 293 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.679 services on some level right and all of a sudden, 294 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:30.159 with the potential of ICE waiting outside of the County 295 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:35.720 building for me to come out to begin to harass 296 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:41.440 me or ask me questions or and or being concerned 297 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.919 about the fact that any county employee may share my 298 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:50.600 status with an ICE agent. So that's the other important 299 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.120 piece that I think needs to be expressed here. 300 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.519 Mayor and some of the highlights and things that you 301 00:16:58.559 --> 00:16:59.799 see in this act. 302 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.039 Yeah, I think the really important point they've referenced it. 303 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.279 But just to emphasize the fact that this is about 304 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.640 civil enforcement of immigration law, not criminal enforcement of criminal laws. 305 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.720 So it doesn't affect it doesn't have anything to do 306 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:15.240 with the local police forces in Orangetown and Clarkstown. They're 307 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.960 not even covered by this. They they continue to do 308 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:20.319 whatever they've been doing. 309 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.559 It also doesn't I mean, honestly, it doesn't. 310 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.799 Prevent Ice from coming to Rockland County and doing its job. 311 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:28.680 It would be nice if they actually did the job 312 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.039 they're supposed to do and not the job that they've 313 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.680 been doing in Minnesota. But they can continue to enforce 314 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.319 immigration laws. It doesn't say that we don't enforce immigration laws. 315 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.799 It doesn't say that we're going to we're gonna you know, 316 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.240 people think sanctuary and they think the way that you know, 317 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:42.880 if you go to a Catholic church and you go inside, 318 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:44.839 they won't let you in. That's not what the county 319 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.599 is doing. Let me give you an example of what 320 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.440 this law is designed to do. Because you've got to 321 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.839 remember what we're seeing right now in Minnesota and what 322 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.839 we've seen other places where ice has gone. 323 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:03.240 On, it's kind of its rampage, is that it chills everybody. 324 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.480 It's not just undocumented immigrants who feel the chill it's there. 325 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.559 It's it's documented immigrants who are properly documented who have 326 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.160 been detained and have been in times removed from Minnesota 327 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.160 and taken away and the ultimately they still some of 328 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.200 them have been detained for weeks. But they've had citizens 329 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.440 who get detained because they're on papers with them, and 330 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.799 then they get returned. You know, I remember the story 331 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.319 of someone getting brought down to Texas and they said, okay, 332 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:31.599 you are, says, and that's great, you can go home now. 333 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.079 Then the person's in Texas without their wallet, without their phone. 334 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:34.920 What are they supposed to do? 335 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.440 So it affects everybody, not just the people who but 336 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.279 you know, give you a let me give you a 337 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.119 crystal clear example of how this really does play havoc 338 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.799 with with what's going on in our in our county. 339 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.720 Let's say there's a woman and let's say that she's documented, 340 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.559 she's she's a legal immigrant in this country, and she's 341 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:58.359 abused by her her partner. She's a victim survivor of 342 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:02.039 domestic violence. The Center for Safety and Change exists to 343 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.160 help people like that here in Rockham County, and I 344 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:05.680 know that organization very well. 345 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:06.839 My wife was the. 346 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.640 Chair of the board, is still on the board there. 347 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.720 She was chaired for six years, so I know the 348 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:16.000 organization really well. They provide services to her. Is she 349 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.240 still going to go to the Center for Safety and 350 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.079 Change if that information about her is going to be 351 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.319 communicated to from the county because the center has to 352 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:28.640 share the information with the county by virtue of the 353 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.440 fact that they get funded in part by the county. 354 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.319 Is that information then going to be shared with ICE, 355 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:35.480 who then might pay her a visit to check on 356 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.359 immigration stass But also, you know, think about that person 357 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.839 if she might be documented correctly, but she might be 358 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:45.319 living with somebody who might be undocumented or is also documented, 359 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:46.720 but you know, has other issues. 360 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.319 She may know people in the community. 361 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.359 She doesn't want ICE to come around because she's made 362 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.359 a complaint and start to investigate her and her family. 363 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.680 And that means she lives with an abuser without getting 364 00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:59.599 help that she needs and deserves from the Center for 365 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:00.359 Safety and Change. 366 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.839 And that sort of dynamic plays out. 367 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.440 With all of the non all the nonprofits. I spoke 368 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.759 with Dian with people, that's the problem, yes, practical problem 369 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.119 with all this. I'm sorry, don't talk over you, fran. 370 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:17.480 No, no, no, please, Joe. It's just it's it's emotional 371 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.359 and we all feel it, you know it direct, We 372 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.559 all know people that this effects. As I said, I 373 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.799 spoke with the uh uh, the CEO of People of People, 374 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.720 Diane Seratory, who's been on a program a number of times, 375 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.359 and explain that very thing we live on trust people 376 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.160 trust us. We will lose that trust. Okay. Now, of 377 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.880 course you have to expect some opposition, and you knew 378 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.039 where it would be coming from the GOP, the Republicans 379 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:49.319 led by Michael Lawler and Bill Weber, and they had 380 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.759 a it was kind of a dueling press conference thing 381 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.119 going on this morning. I know Bethew ran one for 382 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.599 information with the Safety with Dignity for All Act and 383 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.119 Lawler had his own with a group of law enforcement people. 384 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.839 They are the Sheriff's Association, the Police Chiefs Association, etc. 385 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:08.480 And they put out a statement. If you'll allow me, 386 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.880 I'd like to read a few paragraphs from it. And 387 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:13.079 get your thoughts on it, because I think it's important 388 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.319 to address because I think people have in their mind 389 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.079 even though you have started to address it already, you've 390 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:25.000 made directly that this is going to infringe on proper 391 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.960 law enforcement. So let me read what they said and 392 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:32.359 get your comments if you will. Proposed legislation, if enacted, 393 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:38.680 risks disrupting effective and long established partnerships that support officer 394 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:43.920 safety and the successful resolution of complex incidents that often 395 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:51.000 cross municipal and jurisdictional boundaries. Womening lawful cooperation between agencies 396 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:57.200 may result in unintended consequences that negatively impact public safety 397 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:04.720 throughout Rockland County. Together, we remain committed to constitutional policing, professionalism, 398 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.039 and the fair and respectful treatment of all individuals. We 399 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.799 believe that public safety policies should be informed by the 400 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.039 experience and expertise of local law enforcement professionals and should 401 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.559